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Is it pro-life to kill abortion providers?

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by: B0zo

It depends what is meant by "pro-life."
I think it means to be opposed to aborition and to strive in some way for the protection of the unborn.
It doesn't refer to killing chickens or to killing people under certain special circumstances.
It's not pro-All-life.
If the meaning is going to be expanded to mean that, then I would prefer to be called anti-abortion rights.

reply from: Shenanigans

Its a funny thing semantics. Pro-Life does not mean all life, obviously, since not all those who are against abortion are vegans, which you'd think would be a more accurate representation of "pro-life". But then pro-choice is not all choices, because really, everything from rape to murder to taking a sledgehammer to FM's car is a choice, yet not all choices one would be "pro".
Pro-Choice and Pro-Life are terms crafted to make an emotional plea towards those on the fence or anywhere within the debate, but they are not truthful representations of what the beleiver fixes to that label.
Bozo is right in that anti-abortion rights is a better fit, but then that would mean, pro-abortion rights are better for the pro-choicers, but we all know how much they hate that title.
Anyway, after that tangent, killing human beings is wrong. Doesn't matter who they are, what they've done or what they may do, to kill and then call yourself "pro-life" in teh above context is assinine.
I mean, the pro-life movement needs to stop kidding itself, we support the right to life of a cluster of cells floating down the fallopoian tube looking for a place to implant, are there really members in our ranks who think its okay to protect that but okay to kill a born, human being?
When it comes to human life, it really is all or nothing.

reply from: BossMomma

I was refering to the pro-life movement, I think we all know what I was refering to unless you just want to be obtuse. You don't see pro-lifers protesting outside a KFC do ya? No.

reply from: B0zo

I don't know where you're going with this.
But "pro-life" is pertaining to the unborn. You're expanding the meaining if you want to include war and capital punishment.
A pro-lifer could be for a just war or be a pacifist, could be for the death penalty or against it.

reply from: BossMomma

Oh for christ sakes I meant is it pro-life for pro-lifers to kill people, I'm sorry I'll remember to be completely blunt with you. Let me rephrase my question. Is it Pro-life to kill abortion providers?

reply from: B0zo

Sorry that I can't read your mind.
Many times the argument has been made that it's hypocritical for a prolifer to approve of capital punishment or war, so how was I to know that's not what you meant?
But to stay within the definition of "pro-life," murdering the born, no matter who they are, has nothing to do with it. It is certainly hypocritical to be against one form of injustice and to favor another form, but they are two different things.

reply from: faithman

It is not unjust to use lethal force to defend innocent persons. You are the papist hipocrit here. Your pagan intitution killed millions simply on the word of a pointy hat gospel pervert who claims to be God's voice. Clean your own house before you go pontificating to others papist.

reply from: BossMomma

While I'm against war as I feel it is an unintelligent, costly and, ultimately harmful way of pushing another country around that is a seperate issue. I'm not against capital punishment, it's not the arbitrary killing of an innocent. I want to know what real pro-lifers think about using deadly force to push their ideals.

reply from: BossMomma

It is not unjust to use lethal force to defend innocent persons. You are the papist hipocrit here. Your pagan intitution killed millions simply on the word of a pointy hat gospel pervert who claims to be God's voice. Clean your own house before you go pontificating to others papist.
First of all, you need to learn the definition of a pagan, Catholics are Christians. Secondly, it is unjust to bust a cap in a mans head in the house of God, especially when he's committed no crime.

reply from: Banned Member

That little Pro-Life/Pro-All-Life argument is a Red Herring that deserves zero consideration.
BossMomma's push polling is reminiscent of the dishonest push polling that liberals use prior to elections. BM, are you now or have you ever been associated with any leftists polling organizations?
Perhaps the pole could have been stated with less prejudice and greater clarity if it had looked like this:
Is it harmful to the Pro-Life movement to kill abortion providers?
Yes
No

Undecided

reply from: faithman

It is not unjust to use lethal force to defend innocent persons. You are the papist hipocrit here. Your pagan intitution killed millions simply on the word of a pointy hat gospel pervert who claims to be God's voice. Clean your own house before you go pontificating to others papist.
First of all, you need to learn the definition of a pagan, Catholics are Christians. Secondly, it is unjust to bust a cap in a mans head in the house of God, especially when he's committed no crime.
First of all, do a little research. The RCC church is full of paganism. Historical fact. and secondly, it is just to bust a cap into the killer of 60,000 innocent children. If that is not evil aggression, what is it?

reply from: faithman

http://www.lifenews.com/state5215.html

reply from: BossMomma

Are you effing serious? This board has a polling feature, you got something against people using it?

reply from: BossMomma

It is not unjust to use lethal force to defend innocent persons. You are the papist hipocrit here. Your pagan intitution killed millions simply on the word of a pointy hat gospel pervert who claims to be God's voice. Clean your own house before you go pontificating to others papist.
First of all, you need to learn the definition of a pagan, Catholics are Christians. Secondly, it is unjust to bust a cap in a mans head in the house of God, especially when he's committed no crime.
First of all, do a little research. The RCC church is full of paganism. Historical fact. and secondly, it is just to bust a cap into the killer of 60,000 innocent children. If that is not evil aggression, what is it?
Nearly every christian holiday has pagan roots, that mean you don't do Christmas or Easter? And Tiller, sleezy though he was operated a legitamate medical practice, there was no legality in popping a cap in him.

reply from: Shenanigans

There are plenty of skeletons in America's closet, boy.
Oh, and Salem Witch Trials, you can't blame that one of the Catholics, Mr. Protestant.

reply from: BossMomma

There are plenty of skeletons in America's closet, boy.
Oh, and Salem Witch Trials, you can't blame that one of the Catholics, Mr. Protestant.
Nope, damn sure can't. Catholics have done their share, but every religion has it's turds.

reply from: Banned Member

The genocide of most of the Native American people falls on the heads of Protestants.

reply from: faithman

no it doesn't. It falls on the secular humanist theory of evolution.

reply from: Banned Member

no it doesn't. It falls on the secular humanist theory of evolution.
LMAO....Your type of people just make up anything you want that suits you, huh?

reply from: faithman

no it doesn't. It falls on the secular humanist theory of evolution.
LMAO....Your type of people just make up anything you want that suits you, huh?
The indians were included in the dred scott descission as inferior beings. This was based on evolution. the genocide of the american indians, as well as the jews, was based on evolution.

reply from: Banned Member

Interesting. So you don't see the flaw in the possible answers you provided? Hmm...
You see in order for a pole to be fair, a yes/no question can not encumbered with qualifiers. You would need to use multiple choice instead and the choices must be clear and varied to encompass all possible viewpoints.
You may use the poll function all you like but don't expect me not to call a spade a spade when you do. You loaded up the poll to provide yourself with the answer you were looking for and that's fundamentally unfair and/or dishonest. I do recognize your right to be as unfair and dishonest as you want to be but you, in turn, need to recognize my right to call a foul ball.. a foul ball.

reply from: faithman

Interesting. So you don't see the flaw in the possible answers you provided? Hmm...
You see in order for a pole to be fair, a yes/no question can not encumbered with qualifiers. You would need to use multiple choice instead and the choices must be clear and varied to encompass all possible viewpoints.
You may use the poll function all you like but don't expect me not to call a spade a spade when you do. You loaded up the poll to provide yourself with the answer you were looking for and that's fundamentally unfair and/or dishonest. I do recognize your right to be as unfair and dishonest as you want to be but you, in turn, need to recognize my right to call a foul ball.. a foul ball.
Don't you mean foul fem-dyke? She only wishes she had the other.

reply from: Banned Member

You and B0zo seem to be stuck on the point that Tiller was executed in church. Would your view of the incident be different if he were killed in a whorehouse or at a witches coven?

reply from: BossMomma

Interesting. So you don't see the flaw in the possible answers you provided? Hmm...
You see in order for a pole to be fair, a yes/no question can not encumbered with qualifiers. You would need to use multiple choice instead and the choices must be clear and varied to encompass all possible viewpoints.
You may use the poll function all you like but don't expect me not to call a spade a spade when you do. You loaded up the poll to provide yourself with the answer you were looking for and that's fundamentally unfair and/or dishonest. I do recognize your right to be as unfair and dishonest as you want to be but you, in turn, need to recognize my right to call a foul ball.. a foul ball.
My question was a yes or no question, you either do or you don't, nothing foul about it and clearly, the no's outnumbered the Yes's which is probably what have your tighty whiteys in a bunch.

reply from: BossMomma

You and B0zo seem to be stuck on the point that Tiller was executed in church. Would your view of the incident be different if he were killed in a whorehouse or at a witches coven?
Nope, but the fact that Roeder committed that murder in a church shows him to be an evil aggressor, God commanded Thou shalt not murder, how dare he defy that commandment in the Lords house.

reply from: B0zo

You and B0zo seem to be stuck on the point that Tiller was executed in church. Would your view of the incident be different if he were killed in a whorehouse or at a witches coven?
Since you brought my name into this, I will answer for me but not for BossMomma, since we are two distinct people, with differing views.
The "justifiable defense" argument keeps coming up in reference to Tiller, and reminding everyone his murder happened in a Church clearly demonstrates he was not at that time threatening anyone, besides the fact that his murderer was most cowardly and cruel in choosing to murder him in a Church in front of his family and friends.

reply from: faithman

You and B0zo seem to be stuck on the point that Tiller was executed in church. Would your view of the incident be different if he were killed in a whorehouse or at a witches coven?
Since you brought my name into this, I will answer for me but not for BossMomma, since we are two distinct people, with differing views.
The "justifiable defense" argument keeps coming up in reference to Tiller, and reminding everyone his murder happened in a Church clearly demonstrates he was not at that time threatening anyone, besides the fact that his murderer was most cowardly and cruel in choosing to murder him in a Church in front of his family and friends.
It made such a good impression on the family, that they will not be re-opening the abortion clinic. I would say the family, unlike you, gets it.

reply from: Banned Member

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So you think it's OK for religious fanatics to use violence in order to piss all over federal laws?

You live in Waco, why don't you ask David Koresh how well that worked out...

reply from: faithman

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So you think it's OK for religious fanatics to use violence in order to piss all over federal laws?
You live in Waco, why don't you ask David Koresh how well that worked out...
the thing is koresh was not in violation of any federal law. It was the feds who violated citizens rights. You need to get your history straight. The davidian episode is a good example of what government can do under a prodeath lesbian scanc like Janet Reno. She had no prob killing children in the womb, and under government cover of false charges, killed born innocent children.

reply from: Banned Member

Except for all the children he was having sex with. Fboy, just when I thought you couldn't get any lower...you are so f**king sickening. I don't agree with the handling of the Koresh compound by the government in any way, but to actually defend David Koresh....Wow. I almost wish that I did believe in your God, because if he were real, you would surely be spending eternity in hell.

reply from: BossMomma

You and B0zo seem to be stuck on the point that Tiller was executed in church. Would your view of the incident be different if he were killed in a whorehouse or at a witches coven?
Since you brought my name into this, I will answer for me but not for BossMomma, since we are two distinct people, with differing views.
The "justifiable defense" argument keeps coming up in reference to Tiller, and reminding everyone his murder happened in a Church clearly demonstrates he was not at that time threatening anyone, besides the fact that his murderer was most cowardly and cruel in choosing to murder him in a Church in front of his family and friends.
It made such a good impression on the family, that they will not be re-opening the abortion clinic. I would say the family, unlike you, gets it.
Yeah, I also think that Tillers family should send their therapy bills directly to Roeder..or you.

reply from: faithman

You and B0zo seem to be stuck on the point that Tiller was executed in church. Would your view of the incident be different if he were killed in a whorehouse or at a witches coven?
Since you brought my name into this, I will answer for me but not for BossMomma, since we are two distinct people, with differing views.
The "justifiable defense" argument keeps coming up in reference to Tiller, and reminding everyone his murder happened in a Church clearly demonstrates he was not at that time threatening anyone, besides the fact that his murderer was most cowardly and cruel in choosing to murder him in a Church in front of his family and friends.
It made such a good impression on the family, that they will not be re-opening the abortion clinic. I would say the family, unlike you, gets it.
Yeah, I also think that Tillers family should send their therapy bills directly to Roeder..or you.
They got plenty money from contracts on 60,000 pre-born lives.

reply from: Banned Member

You and B0zo seem to be stuck on the point that Tiller was executed in church. Would your view of the incident be different if he were killed in a whorehouse or at a witches coven?
Since you brought my name into this, I will answer for me but not for BossMomma, since we are two distinct people, with differing views.
The "justifiable defense" argument keeps coming up in reference to Tiller, and reminding everyone his murder happened in a Church clearly demonstrates he was not at that time threatening anyone, besides the fact that his murderer was most cowardly and cruel in choosing to murder him in a Church in front of his family and friends.
It made such a good impression on the family, that they will not be re-opening the abortion clinic. I would say the family, unlike you, gets it.
Yeah, I also think that Tillers family should send their therapy bills directly to Roeder..or you.
They got plenty money from contracts on 60,000 pre-born lives.
Yeah see, Tiller did it the smart legal way and made a comfortable living, Roeder's stupid ass didn't make a dime.

reply from: faithman

You and B0zo seem to be stuck on the point that Tiller was executed in church. Would your view of the incident be different if he were killed in a whorehouse or at a witches coven?
Since you brought my name into this, I will answer for me but not for BossMomma, since we are two distinct people, with differing views.
The "justifiable defense" argument keeps coming up in reference to Tiller, and reminding everyone his murder happened in a Church clearly demonstrates he was not at that time threatening anyone, besides the fact that his murderer was most cowardly and cruel in choosing to murder him in a Church in front of his family and friends.
It made such a good impression on the family, that they will not be re-opening the abortion clinic. I would say the family, unlike you, gets it.
Yeah, I also think that Tillers family should send their therapy bills directly to Roeder..or you.
They got plenty money from contracts on 60,000 pre-born lives.
Yeah see, Tiller did it the smart legal way and made a comfortable living, Roeder's stupid ass didn't make a dime.
The killer made more than just a comfortable living. He made enough to buy off the government in Kansas. But for all the millions Tiller spent to keep abortion going in Wichita, Roeder spent a few bucks in ammo stopping abortion in Wichita. Dollar for dollar, Roeder is smarter..

reply from: Banned Member

You and B0zo seem to be stuck on the point that Tiller was executed in church. Would your view of the incident be different if he were killed in a whorehouse or at a witches coven?
Since you brought my name into this, I will answer for me but not for BossMomma, since we are two distinct people, with differing views.
The "justifiable defense" argument keeps coming up in reference to Tiller, and reminding everyone his murder happened in a Church clearly demonstrates he was not at that time threatening anyone, besides the fact that his murderer was most cowardly and cruel in choosing to murder him in a Church in front of his family and friends.
It made such a good impression on the family, that they will not be re-opening the abortion clinic. I would say the family, unlike you, gets it.
Yeah, I also think that Tillers family should send their therapy bills directly to Roeder..or you.
They got plenty money from contracts on 60,000 pre-born lives.
Yeah see, Tiller did it the smart legal way and made a comfortable living, Roeder's stupid ass didn't make a dime.
The killer made more than just a comfortable living. He made enough to buy off the government in Kansas. But for all the millions Tiller spent to keep abortion going in Wichita, Roeder spent a few bucks in ammo stopping abortion in Wichita. Dollar for dollar, Roeder is smarter..
Business lost for one doctor just meant business gained by others. I'm willing to bet that every deformed fetus meant for termination at Tillers practice was still terminated at someone elses.

reply from: joueravecfous

Hey, why hasn't anyone killed a female doctor yet? They comprise a large percentage of providers and that would really send a message, wouldn't it? Even more so if she has children.

reply from: faithman

That is the lie stooges Like you tell, but the national abortion talking heads have all bemoaned the lack of doctors to kill babies. The main reason given? They don't want to get shot.

reply from: joueravecfous

Uh oh, someone's behind on his current events. Go read a paper or something.
There are more and more providers being trained across many practice areas and through med school programs and residencies. There was a lag in training, but it's being reversed and is generally viewed as more mainstream. Hate to tell you, but you can't shoot them all. Well, I mean YOU can't shoot any because you're a cowardly blowhard, but the nutjobs you wish to do it will never erase it.

reply from: faithman

You are just simply wrong. It is a well know fact there isn't enough doctors to do the deed.

reply from: faithman

http://www.suzyb.org/blog/_archives/2009/9/1/4307346.html

reply from: faithman

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/28/AR2009082802785.html?sid%3DST2009083103019&sub=AR

reply from: joueravecfous

You're so funny when you're flailing around getting it all wrong. Keep trying!
(hint: there's newer info.)

reply from: faithman

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Veteran antiabortion activist Randall Terry says he is gratified that Tiller's killing and recent media interviews given by Hern, who drives a bulletproof car and works behind four layers of bulletproof glass, have succeeded in scaring young doctors who might contemplate providing abortions.
Terry, who lives in Northern Virginia, and other activists have long maintained that it is not necessary to make abortion illegal if obtaining it becomes impossible. That's why they support plastering neighborhoods with "Wanted" posters featuring the photographs of physicians who perform abortions, creating Web sites that track them and their spouses, and picketing their homes or offices, activities they describe as protected free speech. Targeted doctors call it harassment.
"We want them tormented," Terry said, describing how he recently advised an activist to disrupt a presentation on abortion at a Kentucky medical school. "If they become a child killer, we will make their lives miserable. It will be so costly for them socially and emotionally."

reply from: faithman

The article from the washington post isn't even a year old. How much newer do you need?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/28/AR2009082802785.html?sid%3DST2009083103019&sub=AR

reply from: Banned Member

Volunteering?
I think it's going to be hilarious the day an abortion provider draws a gun and pops one of you terrorists between the eyes in self defense. It'll happen one day, maybe the day you quit tucking your penis between your legs and acting like a b1tch.

reply from: faithman

Volunteering?
I think it's going to be hilarious the day an abortion provider draws a gun and pops one of you terrorists between the eyes in self defense. It'll happen one day, maybe the day you quit tucking your penis between your legs and acting like a b1tch.
Isn't the little borthead scanc cute? It can talk dirty. How original.

reply from: Banned Member

Volunteering?
I think it's going to be hilarious the day an abortion provider draws a gun and pops one of you terrorists between the eyes in self defense. It'll happen one day, maybe the day you quit tucking your penis between your legs and acting like a b1tch.
I hope when that day comes there are plenty of people around with camera phones. I want pictures.
And the great thing....it would be in self defense, so the clinic worker wouldn't even go to jail for it!

reply from: Shenanigans

That's my point! We might be over represented in the stats, but any religion or organisation/country that's been around for 2000 years is gonna be stained with its fair share of blood. And at least we've acknowledged our wrongs and are trying to right them.
I mean, even the Buddists have gotten their robes messy.

reply from: Shenanigans

If you wanna p1ss off faithman, become a Catholic!

reply from: Banned Member

If you wanna p1ss off faithman, become a Catholic!
LOL, I'm a pro-choice pagan, I think I piss him off pretty well already.

reply from: faithman

If you wanna p1ss off faithman, become a Catholic!
LOL, I'm a pro-choice pagan, I think I piss him off pretty well already.
Little difference actually. And who said either of them piss me off? It would seem to be the other way around.

reply from: faithman

Except for all the children he was having sex with. Fboy, just when I thought you couldn't get any lower...you are so f**king sickening. I don't agree with the handling of the Koresh compound by the government in any way, but to actually defend David Koresh....Wow. I almost wish that I did believe in your God, because if he were real, you would surely be spending eternity in hell.
The sex abuse charges had nothing to do with the fed warrant. that was at the state level. And just show one post where I defend Koresh? And you are a pro death lying piece of crap thru and thru. But nice try at twisting words scanc.

reply from: faithman

That's my point! We might be over represented in the stats, but any religion or organisation/country that's been around for 2000 years is gonna be stained with its fair share of blood. And at least we've acknowledged our wrongs and are trying to right them.
I mean, even the Buddists have gotten their robes messy.
But you can not admit your wrong, because that would totally undermine being the voice of God on the earth thing. Your church is a false prophet.

reply from: joueravecfous

The article from the washington post isn't even a year old. How much newer do you need?
Try this year. Or this month for that matter.

reply from: faithman

The article from the washington post isn't even a year old. How much newer do you need?
Try this year. Or this month for that matter.
And that would change what? The fact is that Roeder's actions have given med students a reason to take a different career path, reguardless if you agree with it. The silver lining to this Wichita cloud, is the fact that it closed abortion mecca, and has cut into the number of players on the other side of the field. All very good things.

reply from: joueravecfous

The ACTUAL fact is that half of the OB residency programs are training doctors in abortion as a standard feature with most of the other half offering elective training. Medical Students for Choice has over 10,000 members so the future availability of trained providers and supporters is looking pretty secure. But please keep telling yourself otherwise. The future of abortion is changing and evolving and you are being left behind while you're busy patting Roeder on the back. By all means, keep it up!

reply from: Banned Member

If you wanna p1ss off faithman, become a Catholic!
or use big words.

reply from: Banned Member

If you wanna p1ss off faithman, become a Catholic!
LOL, I'm a pro-choice pagan.
ooh, me too!

reply from: faithman

http://lifedynamics.com/Abortion_Information/Abortion_Quotes/EnlargeCard.cfml?card=22

reply from: Shenanigans

That's my point! We might be over represented in the stats, but any religion or organisation/country that's been around for 2000 years is gonna be stained with its fair share of blood. And at least we've acknowledged our wrongs and are trying to right them.
I mean, even the Buddists have gotten their robes messy.
But you can not admit your wrong, because that would totally undermine being the voice of God on the earth thing. Your church is a false prophet.
Jesus Christ sanctioned the Catholic Church, which has stood for 2,000 years.
The Protestant demoninations were started by a heretic with little understanding of the faith he proclaimed to be above, and a fat british monarch who wanted a divorce. The Protestant churches can't even keep themselves together, constantly branching off into other opinions.
Do the math.

reply from: Shenanigans

But how many of those members will actually pick up a suction cannula and do the deed? For that matter, how many of those members will actually be successful in their completion of their MD?
My former GP used to be notoriously pro-choice and was a member of his university pro-choice club back when he trained, then he got to do an abortion. Just one. That's all it took for to switch to the other side.
Its one thing to be a pro-choice doctor/nurse, another entirely to have to tear children out of their mothers wombs and then piece them back together. Honestly, I'd wager almost all of the abortionists and support staff practicing have some form of mental health disorder, addiction or are some kind of psychopath.

reply from: Banned Member

That's my point! We might be over represented in the stats, but any religion or organisation/country that's been around for 2000 years is gonna be stained with its fair share of blood. And at least we've acknowledged our wrongs and are trying to right them.
I mean, even the Buddists have gotten their robes messy.
But you can not admit your wrong, because that would totally undermine being the voice of God on the earth thing. Your church is a false prophet.
Jesus Christ sanctioned the Catholic Church, which has stood for 2,000 years.
The Protestant demoninations were started by a heretic with little understanding of the faith he proclaimed to be above, and a fat british monarch who wanted a divorce. The Protestant churches can't even keep themselves together, constantly branching off into other opinions.
Do the math.
Jesus was a Catholic? I thought he was a Jew? They called him Rabi, not father, not pastor, not Pope or Bishop or Cardinal, where the hell do you get that he was a Catholic?

reply from: Shenanigans

Go look up "sanctioned" in the dictionary then come back and make a comment.

reply from: Banned Member

Go look up "sanctioned" in the dictionary then come back and make a comment.
I know what "sanctioned" means, I'm just wondering gow he can sanction a church without being a part of it. To say Jesus sanctioned the Catholic church yet he wasn't Catholic himself makes no sense. From what I read, Jesus wasn't part of any denomination, he was gods mouth piece and somehow I doubt the god of Abraham was Catholic. Christianity started with the Hebrews.

reply from: Banned Member

Piece them back together? Really? Again, since none of you ever want to talk about rape pregnancies because it is "such a small percentage" (which is bogus, but for the purpose of this post-...) don't you think it's time to be honest on your parts as well. The vast majority of abortions are done between 8-12 weeks. I don't think there are any doctors trying to piece together a fetus the size of a Lima bean.

reply from: Banned Member

Piece them back together? Really? Again, since none of you ever want to talk about rape pregnancies because it is "such a small percentage" (which is bogus, but for the purpose of this post-...) don't you think it's time to be honest on your parts as well. The vast majority of abortions are done between 8-12 weeks. I don't think there are any doctors trying to piece together a fetus the size of a Lima bean.
That's just it, the majority of abortions resemble nothing more than a clot of blood that could fit on a gauze pad, though to hear the lifers tell it all fetuses are aborted near term. Notice how they hide typically behind posters and signs depicting near full term fetuses in pieces amid pools of blood?

reply from: faithman

What the bortheads, and the false pro-lifers do not understand, is that there is more to life than this physical world, and our physical bodies. Our bodies are merely the containers of the precious substance Called life. Life has to have that container to express itself in the natural world. Even if the container is flawed, it still makes it possible for the miracle of life to be expressed. Our common value is not found in the container, but what is contained. The life of a womb child is equal to the life contained in all of us. The only legitimate breaking of this container, is if it has the compunction to smash other containers without cause. When you take way the ability to express life, you loose the great privilege to express your own. Evil aggression must be subdued, or no container can have any security from unjust breakage. To take away the possibility of this wonderful spark of life to be expressed, makes this world a darker place, and the rest of us containers a little more impoverished, and alone. Though the womb child is a small container, it does not lessen the value of the life it contains. If fellow containers do not value the life of the womb child container, then they have placed their personhood container in great jeopardy. Anyone who does not see that womb children are fellow human containers, containing life of equal value to their own, is a self destructive fool, drunk on the power to kill, and must be stopped for the sake of the rest of us life containers. It is the life in us that makes us equal, not our degree of ability to express it.

reply from: joueravecfous

Lima bean may be generous. 88% of abortions are first trimester and 62% of those are before 9 weeks.

reply from: faithman

What the bortheads, and the false pro-lifers do not understand, is that there is more to life than this physical world, and our physical bodies. Our bodies are merely the containers of the precious substance Called life. Life has to have that container to express itself in the natural world. Even if the container is flawed, it still makes it possible for the miracle of life to be expressed. Our common value is not found in the container, but what is contained. The life of a womb child is equal to the life contained in all of us. The only legitimate breaking of this container, is if it has the compunction to smash other containers without cause. When you take way the ability to express life, you loose the great privilege to express your own. Evil aggression must be subdued, or no container can have any security from unjust breakage. To take away the possibility of this wonderful spark of life to be expressed, makes this world a darker place, and the rest of us containers a little more impoverished, and alone. Though the womb child is a small container, it does not lessen the value of the life it contains. If fellow containers do not value the life of the womb child container, then they have placed their personhood container in great jeopardy. Anyone who does not see that womb children are fellow human containers, containing life of equal value to their own, is a self destructive fool, drunk on the power to kill, and must be stopped for the sake of the rest of us life containers. It is the life in us that makes us equal, not our degree of ability to express it.

reply from: CP

What Fboy is really saying here is that he fully supports "moral relativism." Is it wrong to kill other human beings? It depends....In his view, there is no firm answer, no clear "right and wrong." What is wrong when you do it can be "right" when someone else does it. It all depends on whether he approves. It is not "wrong" in his view to kill people he feels deserve to die. His god presumably commanded him not to kill, but that is easily rationalized, after all, his god was obviously of the same mindset. "Thou shalt not kill" applies only to each other. It is ok to kill "them," but not "us." Of course, if "they" take this same position, that makes "them" evil people. And how can we tell which side is evil? Why, all who are not on my side are the evil ones, amirite? That's not rocket science, is it? Only my indiscretions are excusable, since my motives are pure, and I am "good." Since I am "good" and you are "evil," my priorities represent "good," and all who oppose me, for whatever reason, are evil! Since everything I want is "good," and all who oppose me are "evil," any means to my ends is justifiable and beyond reproach, even if I choose to do what I have declared to be "evil" when done by others...
See how that works? It is the rationalization of every tyrant throughout history. They oppress others "for their own good," secure in the knowledge of their own superiority, confident that only they are qualified to determine what is "right" and best for all. Interestingly, what they want is generally what is deemed so, and any means by which they choose to achieve their goals is easily rationalized in their despotic minds...
Take, for example, the case of Tiller's murder. Roeder is considered a hero rather than a cold blooded murderer by many, based on the almost universally accepted principle of self defense/defense of others. Unfortunately, this principle, while almost universally accepted, is generally based on necessity. Based on the generally accepted inherent value of human life, society deems lethal defense necessary and justifiable only when it can be reasonably assumed that no other means would suffice in order to eliminate an immediate threat. Can you shoot your assailant in the back as he flees once you have drawn your pistol and insist it was necessary for your defense? Absolutely not! Can you lie in wait and ambush him as a sort of preemptive strike because you are convinced he means you harm? Absolutely not!
The question of whether it is justifiable to defy the law in order to protect others is a legitimate one, and one I am willing to rationally and objectively discuss, and I am by no means close minded on the subject, but on the issue of necessity, I remain firm. I absolutely will never concede that lethal force is justifiable when less than lethal force would be sufficient!
The question that Roeder's supporters seem reluctant to honestly address is, COULD TILLER HAVE BEEN STOPPED USING NON-LETHAL FORCE, AND IF SO, CAN HIS ACTIONS BE JUSTIFIED? According to my principles, a "yes" to the former demands a resounding "no' to the latter!
Fboy, can you summon the intestinal fortitude to address this point? This is a separate question from "justifiable defense" and whether it can reasonably be applied to the unborn! Let us assume, for the sake of argument, that it can. Let us now discuss the issue of whether the killing of Tiller, specifically, qualified as "justifiable" according to accepted standards, and whether you are simply holding different people to different standards to serve your own desires, with no regard for what is actually "right" and just!

reply from: faithman

You can smear all the secular humani8st monkey dung you want on this forum, and make all the false accusations you please. Was tiller an evil aggressor? Was he stopped? Is Tiller killing anymore children?

reply from: faithman

Already did. Can't help if you are way to monkey boy stupid to realize it.

reply from: CP

Help me out here...I must have missed something somewhere.

reply from: faithman

Help me out here...I must have missed something somewhere.
Like what line to stand in when they passed out brains? Maybe your understanding hasn't evolved yet.

reply from: CP

Help me out here...I must have missed something somewhere.
Like what line to stand in when they passed out brains? Maybe your understanding hasn't evolved yet.
Very well. I believe my point has been made, and at least one of my questions has been answered. Of course, I was already sure that you would refuse to address my point, knowing in your own mind that your position can not be defended on moral grounds, yet refusing to sacrifice your personal desires for the sake of morality or justice. As I said, you care not for trivialities like the issue of what is "right" and what is "wrong," this being insignificant when weighed against your own desires...

reply from: faithman

Help me out here...I must have missed something somewhere.
Like what line to stand in when they passed out brains? Maybe your understanding hasn't evolved yet.
Very well. I believe my point has been made, and at least one of my questions has been answered. Of course, I was already sure that you would refuse to address my point, knowing in your own mind that your position can not be defended on moral grounds, yet refusing to sacrifice your personal desires for the sake of morality or justice. As I said, you care not for trivialities like the issue of what is "right" and what is "wrong," this being insignificant when weighed against your own desires...
Not at all monkey boy. Little egotist punks like you deserve no more answers because your questions are not honest. You think you are smart asking twist questions that have no basis in reality at all. It is you who avoids the obvious. The only point you have made is that you are a phony. Your motivation is not protecting the innocent from evil aggression. And in case you missed it, my desire is to protect abortionist from men like Roeder, by advocating retirement. It is never wrong to confront evil aggression with enough force to make it stop. The solution is simple. Don't present yourself as an evil aggressor.

reply from: CP

Same old Fboy...All mouth and no testicles.

reply from: CP

That was not the question. Is it "wrong" to use more force than is necessary to "make it stop?" If a 10 year old is beating up a 4 year old, is it OK to shoot him in the head? Stop pretending you don't understand the point as a means of justifying your refusal to address it. I know you're not that stupid.

reply from: faithman

That was not the question. Is it "wrong" to use more force than is necessary to "make it stop?" If a 10 year old is beating up a 4 year old, is it OK to shoot him in the head? Stop pretending you don't understand the point as a means of justifying your refusal to address it. I know you're not that stupid.
Not at all monkey boy. Little egotist punks like you deserve no more answers because your questions are not honest. You think you are smart asking twist questions that have no basis in reality at all. It is you who avoids the obvious. The only point you have made is that you are a phony. Your motivation is not protecting the innocent from evil aggression. And in case you missed it, my desire is to protect abortionist from men like Roeder, by advocating retirement. It is never wrong to confront evil aggression with enough force to make it stop. The solution is simple. Don't present yourself as an evil aggressor.

reply from: faithman

It is justified to use force to stop evil aggression. It is the only justified use of force as a matter of fact. For almost 40 years tiller the killer committed evil aggression against womb children. He showed absolutely no sign of quitting. This kind of behavior drives men of conscience to action. Whether you like it or not, those are the facts. I am not going to wipe main stream pro-life bowel movement crap on Scott Roeder. Yes! I fully intend to honor him. Because I intend to do all I can to protect abortionist from men like him. There are many more like him in this country. Men of conscience. Men who raised their right hand, and swore an oath to the constitution itself, not to those who have high jacked it's institutions. Men who realize that evil aggression must be met with enough force to stop it. Thats right martha, I intend to dedicate my life and treasure to protect low life baby killing scum bag abortionist, from the men of conscience. Just retire abortionist. Simply retire, and you will not have to worry about one of the many thousands of scott roeders popping up in your review mirror. That is the silver linning in the Wichita storm. Reguardless of whether the PLMSBM has the courage to honesty look at it. Abortions in Kansas are at a 20 year low. No abortion in Wichita. The propaganda arm of the abortion mafia [other wise known as the media] Are out bemoaning all over the place, that it is getting harder to recrute new abortionist. The main reason is, they don't want a career path that involves flack jackets, and bullet proof glass. I don't have to recrute men of conscience. I don't have to start an organization. Men of conscience have a spine of steal. They have the courage of conviction to uphold the principal of the use of force to stop evil aggression. Whether you believe the way they do matters not. The blather on this forum matters not. What matters to them is the fact that tiny persons are being slaughtered. And they took an oath to secure the Constitutional blessing of life to preborn Posterity. They do not care about the $50,000 bounty the freedom hating papist pavone has offered up to rat men of Conscience out. Nor are they afraid of hot air wind bags like flip the switch Benham, who are willing to execute them. The issue is life. The issue is evil aggression must be met with enough force to make it stop. Despotism must never be indulged. And it won't be. So the thing is this. I want to save abortionist from men of conscience. Please retire. this isn't about "vengance" . It is about defense. This isn't about past deeds, it is about right now. Just stop killing children, and the vast net work of nuts and kooks no longer presents a thret to you. Just simply retire.

reply from: faithman

That was not the question. Is it "wrong" to use more force than is necessary to "make it stop?" If a 10 year old is beating up a 4 year old, is it OK to shoot him in the head? Stop pretending you don't understand the point as a means of justifying your refusal to address it. I know you're not that stupid.
It is you who holds the unethical position. If abortion is evil aggression towards innocent persons, then ethics demands that enough force be used to stop it. Every avenue for almost 40 years was used to make the evil aggressor Tiller the baby killer stop. Is he still killing babies? the answer is simple. don't present yourself as an evil aggressor. This is a simple issue to settle. Reguardless of whether you agree with Roders actions, they would have never happened if Tiller was not an evil aggressor toward innocent womb children. If Tiller had ever said that he would never kill another child, Roeder would have never gone to his church. But if abortionist continue to commit evil aggression against womb children, then they must deal with the reality that they are an evil aggression target of men of conscience that believe evil aggression must be met with enough force to stop it.

reply from: CP

You have still not answered the question I asked. You are repeating points I have concede for the sake of argument.
Are you really not understanding me, or are you intentionally continuing to attempt to distract from my point?
"Yes" or "no," is it acceptable, in your view, to kill in every instance where defense is deemed necessary, or is there a moral duty to use only the degree of force that is necessary to protect the intended victim?

reply from: faithman

It is just to use force to stop evil aggression.

reply from: Banned Member

CP, you have to know you are wasting your time here....fboy may be old in body, but he is very childish. He is a liar and a coward and he will never admit to being either.

reply from: faithman

It is justified to use force to stop evil aggression. It is the only justified use of force as a matter of fact. For almost 40 years tiller the killer committed evil aggression against womb children. He showed absolutely no sign of quitting. This kind of behavior drives men of conscience to action. Whether you like it or not, those are the facts. I am not going to wipe main stream pro-life bowel movement crap on Scott Roeder. Yes! I fully intend to honor him. Because I intend to do all I can to protect abortionist from men like him. There are many more like him in this country. Men of conscience. Men who raised their right hand, and swore an oath to the constitution itself, not to those who have high jacked it's institutions. Men who realize that evil aggression must be met with enough force to stop it. Thats right martha, I intend to dedicate my life and treasure to protect low life baby killing scum bag abortionist, from the men of conscience. Just retire abortionist. Simply retire, and you will not have to worry about one of the many thousands of scott roeders popping up in your review mirror. That is the silver linning in the Wichita storm. Reguardless of whether the PLMSBM has the courage to honesty look at it. Abortions in Kansas are at a 20 year low. No abortion in Wichita. The propaganda arm of the abortion mafia [other wise known as the media] Are out bemoaning all over the place, that it is getting harder to recrute new abortionist. The main reason is, they don't want a career path that involves flack jackets, and bullet proof glass. I don't have to recrute men of conscience. I don't have to start an organization. Men of conscience have a spine of steal. They have the courage of conviction to uphold the principal of the use of force to stop evil aggression. Whether you believe the way they do matters not. The blather on this forum matters not. What matters to them is the fact that tiny persons are being slaughtered. And they took an oath to secure the Constitutional blessing of life to preborn Posterity. They do not care about the $50,000 bounty the freedom hating papist pavone has offered up to rat men of Conscience out. Nor are they afraid of hot air wind bags like flip the switch Benham, who are willing to execute them. The issue is life. The issue is evil aggression must be met with enough force to make it stop. Despotism must never be indulged. And it won't be. So the thing is this. I want to save abortionist from men of conscience. Please retire. this isn't about "vengance" . It is about defense. This isn't about past deeds, it is about right now. Just stop killing children, and the vast net work of nuts and kooks no longer presents a thret to you. Just simply retire.

reply from: CP

Yes, but I derive some small satisfaction from exposing his inadequacies, giving him the proverbial rope, and allowing him to hang himself. I believe such as he need to be exposed for what they are. If he ever saw and accepted reason, that would imply be a bonus.

reply from: faithman

Yes, but I derive some small satisfaction from exposing his inadequacies, giving him the proverbial rope, and allowing him to hang himself. I believe such as he need to be exposed for what they are. If he ever saw and accepted reason, that would imply be a bonus.
To bad you have no reason to offer. Unless you consider insincere dis honest questions as reason. Neither of you have proven me to be anything. You, on the other hand, have outed your selves as low life anti womb child slime. No biggy that you now run to gether. You were cut from the same butt wipe clothe.

reply from: CP

Were I a Christian, I would disavow any association between my religion and the "faith" you profess. You are an embarrassment to the prolife cause as well, and I gladly admit I would prefer the company of most abortion proponents, despite my own opposition to abortion (which you dishonestly deny).

reply from: Banned Member

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Simply renounce Christ and embrace Islam, and Osama bin Laden will no longer be a threat to you.  Just simply become a Muslim.

OBEY THE TERRORISTS, FAITHMAN!

reply from: B0zo

Yes, but I derive some small satisfaction from exposing his inadequacies, giving him the proverbial rope, and allowing him to hang himself. I believe such as he need to be exposed for what they are. If he ever saw and accepted reason, that would imply be a bonus.
To bad you have no reason to offer. Unless you consider insincere dis honest questions as reason. Neither of you have proven me to be anything. You, on the other hand, have outed your selves as low life anti womb child slime. No biggy that you now run to gether. You were cut from the same butt wipe clothe.
When you put your money where your mouth is, though it would be a tragic mistake, you would at least have a certain credibility.
As it stands now, you want the best of both worlds.
You want your comfort and freedom, yet want to be the tough guy by idendifying with killers who are either rotting in jail, or six feet under, who have paid the price for what you give lip service to (and encourage).
Your words have no authority and are entirely hollow.
And your bs about "defending abortionists" shows how far you will go with your mental gymnastics to fool yourself.

reply from: faithman

"This [American Civil] war [of 1861-1865] would never have been possible without the sinister influence of the Jesuits. We owe it to popery that we now see our land reddened with the blood of her noblest sons. Though there were great differences of opinion between the South and the North on the question of slavery, neither Jeff Davis [the President of the Confederacy] nor anyone of the leading men of the Confederacy would have dared to attack the North, had they not relied on the promises of the Jesuits, that under the mask of Democracy, the money and arms of the Roman Catholic, even the arms of France, were at their disposal if they would attack us. I pity the priests, the bishops and monks of Rome in the United States, when the people realize that they are, in great part, responsible for the tears and the blood shed in this war. I conceal what I know on that subject from the knowledge of the nation, for if the people knew the whole truth, this war would turn into a religious war, and it would at once take a tenfold more savage and bloody character. It would become merciless as all religious wars are. It would become a war of extermination on both sides. The Protestants of both the North and the South would surely unite to exterminate the priests and the Jesuits, if they could hear what Professor [Samuel B.] Morse [Ed. Note: U.S. inventor of the telegraph] has said to me of the plots made in the very city of Rome [i.e., at the Papacy] to destroy this Republic, and if they could learn how the [Roman Catholic] priests, the nuns, and the monks, which daily land on our shores, under the pretext of preaching their religion, instructing the people in their schools, taking care of the sick in the hospitals, are nothing else but the emissaries of the Pope, of Napoleon, and the other despots of Europe, to undermine our institutions, alienate the hearts of our people from our Constitution, and our laws, destroy our schools, and prepare a reign of anarchy here as they have done in Ireland, in Mexico, in Spain, and wherever there are any people who want to be free." Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865; 16th President of the United States)

reply from: carolemarie

I would point out that old Abe was wrong about plenty of things, including this. This crazy talk you want to believe is the same crap that keeps the troubles going in Ireland. Bigotry and hate are dangerous things...

reply from: aaronmhatch

It is not pro-life to kill abortion providers.

reply from: faithman

It is always just to use force to defend innocent life from evil aggression. If that is not prolife, then prolife is a farce, a lie, and anti- american.

reply from: Banned Member

Well there you have it folks. Straight from the horses @ss.. er.. um.. mouth.
This is all we need to know about this contrarian Troll. It explains everything.

reply from: faithman

Well there you have it folks. Straight from the horses @ss.. er.. um.. mouth.
This is all we need to know about this contrarian Troll. It explains everything.
How could you enjoy the company of killers, and not be in the gang?

reply from: BossMomma

Well there you have it folks. Straight from the horses @ss.. er.. um.. mouth.
This is all we need to know about this contrarian Troll. It explains everything.
How could you enjoy the company of killers, and not be in the gang?
If he sided with you he'd still be in the company of killers, or at least gutless advocates of killing.


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