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Having an Abortion was the best Choice I ever made

by: BenningtonV

I had an abortion when I was 17. My mother took me. I'm 25 now and have never had an ounce of regret or remorse about the situation. Because of my decision, I was able to live in Colorado for a year and graduate from Georgetown University in DC. I also got to travel all over the world while working for Greenpeace USA. Had I chosen to have that baby, he/she would have a dead-beat dad and un-accepting grandparents.
Power to the People!

reply from: B0zo

Hmm...so all the children who have grandparents who don't like them and deadbeat dads ought to be killed?
I don't think you mean that, and that's not your main concern either.
Your main concern is that you got to live in Colorado and got to go to Georgetown University, and didn't have a son or daughter ruining your life. (It was better for you that his or her life was ruined instead).

reply from: BenningtonV

Yep...like I said...no regrets and no remorse.
Where did you go to college? Just curious

reply from: LexIcon

Of course, you couldn't possibly be a dead beat mom for killing your baby, now could you?

reply from: B0zo

What does your college or my college have to do with anything?
Why did you even mention that as a justification for your abortion?
Do you believe an abortion kills a person?

reply from: Shenanigans

Having no regret does not limit or remove the severity of an action.
Charles Manson doesn't feel any remorse either.

reply from: LexIcon

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

reply from: onterroristwatch

I hear Colorado is lovely! I always wanted to visit there.

reply from: LexIcon

I hear Colorado is lovely! I always wanted to visit there.
Maybe if you have an abortion like BenningtonV, you can not only visit Colorado, but can even live there!
Power to the Chosen People!

reply from: onterroristwatch

I hear Colorado is lovely! I always wanted to visit there.
Maybe if you have an abortion like BenningtonV, you can not only visit Colorado, but can even live there!
Power to the Chosen People!
I'm not pregnant. If my BC did fail however, I would get one.

reply from: LexIcon

Great! Abortion as a form of birth control, and maybe just maybe if you're a sociopath like BenningtonV, you can congratulate yourself on never having an ounce of regret or remorse over your decision to kill your baby.

reply from: onterroristwatch

Great! Abortion as a form of birth control, and maybe just maybe if you're a sociopath like BenningtonV, you can congratulate yourself on never having an ounce of regret or remorse over your decision to kill your baby.
BenningtonV doesn't strike me as a sociopath. Your hero Scott Roeder certainly fits that bill though.

reply from: B0zo

Great! Abortion as a form of birth control, and maybe just maybe if you're a sociopath like BenningtonV, you can congratulate yourself on never having an ounce of regret or remorse over your decision to kill your baby.
BenningtonV doesn't strike me as a sociopath. Your hero Scott Roeder certainly fits that bill though.
There are only a couple of nutjobs who approve of what Scott Roeder did, and unfortunately they are on this forum.
Otherwise, this is a supreme red herring. Prolifers condemn what Roeder did, and I think you know that...

reply from: onterroristwatch

Great! Abortion as a form of birth control, and maybe just maybe if you're a sociopath like BenningtonV, you can congratulate yourself on never having an ounce of regret or remorse over your decision to kill your baby.
BenningtonV doesn't strike me as a sociopath. Your hero Scott Roeder certainly fits that bill though.
There are only a couple of nutjobs who approve of what Scott Roeder did, and unfortunately they are on this forum.
Otherwise, this is a supreme red herring. Prolifers condemn what Roeder did, and I think you know that...
I have seen several "people" on this forum post how happy they are Tiller's clinic is no more. That's basically the same thing as saying they champion Scott Roeder, no matter how they word it in an attempt to veil their true feelings.

reply from: B0zo

To my dismay and to the dismay of the mainstream prolifers here, we do have an unfair share of nutters who are drawn to this site, mainly because it's an unmoderated forum, and they can say whatever they want, just like you can come here and be a troll for the most part, and won't be booted.

reply from: LexIcon

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
You presume much. Scott Roeder is no hero of mine.

reply from: onterroristwatch

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To my dismay and to the dismay of the mainstream prolifers here, we do have an unfair share of nutters who are drawn to this site, mainly because it's an unmoderated forum, and they can say whatever they want, just like you can come here and be a troll for the most part, and won't be booted.
Who says I'm trolling? Or is that your code word for someone who disagrees wih you?

reply from: B0zo

To my dismay and to the dismay of the mainstream prolifers here, we do have an unfair share of nutters who are drawn to this site, mainly because it's an unmoderated forum, and they can say whatever they want, just like you can come here and be a troll for the most part, and won't be booted.
Who says I'm trolling? Or is that your code word for someone who disagrees wih you?
You have lumped everyone in the same category and have not made a single good faith argument.

reply from: onterroristwatch

To my dismay and to the dismay of the mainstream prolifers here, we do have an unfair share of nutters who are drawn to this site, mainly because it's an unmoderated forum, and they can say whatever they want, just like you can come here and be a troll for the most part, and won't be booted.
Who says I'm trolling? Or is that your code word for someone who disagrees wih you?
You have lumped everyone in the same category and have not made a single good faith argument.
I'm not here to argue. I'm just here to keep an eye out for potential terrorists and to have a laugh at the expense of idiots.

reply from: JasonFontaine

Idiots? Oh come on...you completely exposed yourself. That's what happens when you read wikipedia and think it's actually making you intelligent! How funny.
Abortion as birth control? What a waste you are...a complete, cowardly waste...who comes to a "Life" forum because she obviously has none....and then shows herself for the monster she is.
I will "choose" to abort your conversation....how do you like that?
Give them a taste of their own medicine....abort the pro-aborts who are on the board....simply do not reply - they do not exist....and call it "choice"!

reply from: onterroristwatch

You mean you're not happy my mother "chose life?"

reply from: LexIcon

Uh oh! Better watch out! You could be a "potential terrorist" in Junior's book!

reply from: onterroristwatch

Uh oh! Better watch out! You could be a "potential terrorist" in Junior's book!
Not just my book. The Department of Homeland Security agrees with me.

reply from: LexIcon

I'm thrilled to pieces that your mother chose life for you, but tell us all, what does she think of your will to destroy her grandchild if your BC fails?
Please do ask your mother if the BC failed in your case.

reply from: onterroristwatch

I'm thrilled to pieces that your mother chose life for you, but tell us all, what does she think of your will to destroy her grandchild if your BC fails?
Please do ask your mother if the BC failed in your case.
My parents planned to have me. They're smart like that, you know, having children when they were financially and emotionally ready. As for if I were to ever have an abortion and how my mother would feel about that, I already know I would have her support. She would even drive me if I so needed.

reply from: JasonFontaine

I hope they would try and discourage you. After all - having a baby is not the most horrible thing in the world.
They chose life....so you mean for their grandchild coming from you they would encourage DEATH? Wow....they must really think lots about you.

reply from: onterroristwatch

They are very proud of me and love me very much, which is why they wouldn't want my life ruined with an unwanted pregnancy. I guess you don't love your children as much as my parents do.

reply from: LexIcon

Gee, how did I know that that is exactly what you would write in reply? However, it's not quite perfect. You need to add that your mother is an abortion provider whose goal in life is to support women in their choices to kill their babies, and hopefully without an ounce of regret or remorse.

reply from: onterroristwatch

Gee, how did I know that that is exactly what you would write in reply? However, it's not quite perfect. You need to add that your mother is an abortion provider whose goal in life is to support women in their choices to kill their babies, and hopefully without an ounce of regret or remorse.
Why would I post that? My mother is not a physician. She's a librarian.

reply from: sweet

I Don't believe you. Basically you killed your child. Your mother took you to have her grandchild killed. You describe your
child as "abortion, " "situation, " "decision." You were able to live in Colorado for a year and graduate because you moved there and completed school there. You travelled all over the world because you book flights and didn't cancel. Had you chose not to kill "that" baby....who knows?
THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE MEAN OR CRUEL. Just honest.

reply from: LexIcon

"they wouldn't want my life ruined with an unwanted pregnancy."
Good God, lady, it's ALL about you, isn't it? You have no clue as to how astonishingly SELF CENTERED you are! It is abundantly clear that you don't know jack about what love truly is and what it requires.

reply from: onterroristwatch

I Don't believe you. Basically you killed your child. Your mother took you to have her grandchild killed. You describe your
child as "abortion, " "situation, " "decision." You were able to live in Colorado for a year and graduate because you moved there and completed school there. You travelled all over the world because you book flights and didn't cancel. Had you chose not to kill "that" baby....who knows?
THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE MEAN OR CRUEL. Just honest.
Sounds like you're just jealous you do not have her life and good fortune.

reply from: onterroristwatch

"they wouldn't want my life ruined with an unwanted pregnancy."
Good God, lady, it's ALL about you, isn't it? You have no clue as to how astonishingly SELF CENTERED you are! It is abundantly clear that you don't know jack about what love truly is and what it requires.
If your definition of real love is forcing someone to gestate unwillingly and have a kid they don't want, a kid that ruins that persons life, you can keep it. I don't want it. I prefer my family's definition of love much more.

reply from: EpicFailguy

Implying that you can know how your life may have run it's course had you not chosen to abort? That your life is better because you aborted? Fail
You may be satisfied with how your life has been since you aborted, but nobody can say for certain that it would have been better or worse had you given birth to a live child. There's simply no way to know.

reply from: EpicFailguy

Giving up the pretense of being a reasonable and compassionate person? Climbing on board the "bort head" basher train, perhaps in an attempt to endear yourself with the dominate crowd on this forum? I like it. At least it's (more or less) honest...

reply from: pray4em

I'm wondering if your child's father would have been more supportive would you have kept the baby?

reply from: LexIcon

Yes indeed, how truly clueless you are! Love takes responsibility for ALL of the consequences of one's choices. It is self-sacrificial BY DEFINITION, but ALL you can see is that an unintended pregnancy "ruins that person's life," therefore it is only fitting to DESTROY THE THREAT!!!
It's no wonder that you prefer your "family's definition of love much more." Their's allows you to remain an irresponsible and utterly selfish child.

reply from: Ana

"they wouldn't want my life ruined with an unwanted pregnancy."
Good God, lady, it's ALL about you, isn't it? You have no clue as to how astonishingly SELF CENTERED you are! It is abundantly clear that you don't know jack about what love truly is and what it requires.
YES!! Now you get it. It IS about the woman. Why? Because that is HER primary concern and one we as pro lifers need to look at. The first step is preventing the pregnancy. But if that is a moot point, why does she wish to abort? Finances? Lack of support? A dream job around the corner? Until we learn to focus on the woman and what's going on with her, we will never stop abortion.

reply from: LexIcon

Yes, I am all in favor of providing whatever support may be needed to help a pregnant girl/woman to carry her pregnancy to term AND beyond, but what I will not tolerate is the STUPID and UTTERLY SELFISH arguments that she might make as to why killing her unborn baby COULD be the BEST thing that she could EVER do with her "unintended/unwanted" pregnancy.
If not forced to do so, when, IF EVER, will people become adults???

reply from: B0zo

"they wouldn't want my life ruined with an unwanted pregnancy."
Good God, lady, it's ALL about you, isn't it? You have no clue as to how astonishingly SELF CENTERED you are! It is abundantly clear that you don't know jack about what love truly is and what it requires.
If your definition of real love is forcing someone to gestate unwillingly and have a kid they don't want, a kid that ruins that persons life, you can keep it. I don't want it. I prefer my family's definition of love much more.
Why do you make these arguments?
If I wanted abortion rights, I would only argue that abortion does not kill a person, and therefore it is like any other operation, and the rest would be irrelevant. I wouldn't give you a reason why I would have my appendix removed other than that I want or need it removed.
(However if I had even a suspicion an abortion killed a person, I could not be prochoice and no argument or reason could trump life).

reply from: Ana

Yes, I am all in favor of providing whatever support may be needed to help a pregnant girl/woman to carry her pregnancy to term AND beyond, but what I will not tolerate is the STUPID and UTTERLY SELFISH arguments that she might make as to why killing her unborn baby COULD be the BEST thing that she could EVER do with her "unintended/unwanted" pregnancy.
If not forced to do so, when, IF EVER, will people become adults???
#1 Define adult.
#2 Maybe sooner, maybe later, maybe never. We should not be in the business of yanking people kicking and screaming into whatever our individual definition of adulthood may be.

reply from: LexIcon

#1. Adult: one who rightfully assumes complete responsibility for his/her choices, come what may.
#2. The state is DEDICATED to the business of "yanking people kicking and screaming into whatever" its definition of adulthood not only happens to be, but IS, and if you don't like it because you'd rather remain a child your entire life, or would prefer that others be allowed to remain children their entire lives, well, that's just too damn bad. Grow up.

reply from: Ana

#1. Adult: one who rightfully assumes complete responsibility for his/her choices, come what may.
#2. The state is DEDICATED to the business of "yanking people kicking and screaming into whatever" its definition of adulthood not only happens to be, but IS, and if you don't like it because you'd rather remain a child your entire life, or would prefer that others be allowed to remain children their entire lives, well, that's just too damn bad. Grow up.
#1 Abortion is seen by many as an acceptance of responsibility for their actions and choices. Pro lifers don't agree. The law is on the side of Choicers, like it or not.
#2 Wrong. The state says NOTHING about having to be a grown up. Ask the 60 year old playboy on his 3rd wife, or the 40 year old on his mom's couch. The state doesn't care about you'r level of maturity, only that you not break the law. Abortion is legal. no matter what one poster keeps claiming.

reply from: Banned Member

Get this, BenningtonV comes new to the board and PMs me and what to know if I want to have a conversation with her. Stupid b!tch.

reply from: B0zo

We're in a cranky mood this evening, I see.
Why does that make her a B-word, btw?

reply from: Spinwubby

We're in a cranky mood this evening, I see.
Why does that make her a B-word, btw?
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It just goes so well with his answer from the "Eyes Wide Open" thread:
No you're not.
You are a transparent liar.
You don't need to go to all that trouble.. just call me a coward and get it out of your system. That's all you're angling for.
Besides, I've already saved children from their killers.. their Mothers. How many children have you saved, you self important pr!ck?

reply from: Banned Member

We're in a cranky mood this evening, I see.
Why does that make her a B-word, btw?
I didn't make her that way. She was like that when she showed up.

reply from: Banned Member

We're in a cranky mood this evening, I see.
Why does that make her a B-word, btw?
It just goes so well with his answer from the "Eyes Wide Open" thread:
No you're not.
You are a transparent liar.
You don't need to go to all that trouble.. just call me a coward and get it out of your system. That's all you're angling for.
Besides, I've already saved children from their killers.. their Mothers. How many children have you saved, you self important pr!ck?
What?.. I'm supposed to like you flippin' cretins now? I'm just giving you baby haters the respect you deserve. It's not as if you dolts have any feelings to hurt. Anyone who can support baby killing and feel good about it sure isn't going to mind a little abuse to themselves, are they?
I swear sometimes Spinny, I don't know whether too milk you or tip you over.

reply from: B0zo

We're in a cranky mood this evening, I see.
Why does that make her a B-word, btw?
I didn't make her that way. She was like that when she showed up.
She's been kind of uppity, but she was offering to have a conversation with you. Maybe you could have reached this poor misguided child.

reply from: Shenanigans

You know, whenever I hear the word b1tch, I think of my dog. She's dead now. Sally was a good dog. Even when she broke out of her kennel, snuck into the house and ate our puddings off the bench.

reply from: LexIcon

I gave you a definition of an adult. That's what you asked for.
On this you and I agree. I should have specified that the state draws a legal distinction between being a child and being an adult, and can indeed "yank people kicking and screaming" into court to answer as adults for misbehavior that one might expect of poorly disciplined children.

reply from: Banned Member

We're in a cranky mood this evening, I see.
Why does that make her a B-word, btw?
I didn't make her that way. She was like that when she showed up.
She's been kind of uppity, but she was offering to have a conversation with you. Maybe you could have reached this poor misguided child.
Yeah.. sure.. then you woke up right? Dream on brother.
This obvious troll is a subtle as a car bomb. She/he (I suspect subterfuge) has nothing whatsoever to contribute to advance the conversation.

reply from: sweet

I Don't believe you. Basically you killed your child. Your mother took you to have her grandchild killed. You describe your
child as "abortion, " "situation, " "decision." You were able to live in Colorado for a year and graduate because you moved there and completed school there. You travelled all over the world because you book flights and didn't cancel. Had you chose not to kill "that" baby....who knows?
THIS IS NOT MEANT TO BE MEAN OR CRUEL. Just honest.
Sounds like you're just jealous you do not have her life and good fortune.Her life? Which one? The one she took or the one she's living?

reply from: galen

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I graduated from Emory University and several others as a post grad.. I now teach at the university level... i run a homeless / unwed mother's shelter.. and i give time every week for homeless people as do my family.
My oldest son is the product of conception forom a brutal gang rape... he is one of the most loving and compassionate men you will meet... his grandparents threw me out of the house when i refused an abortion... but we are building a better relationship now. My son and his younger brother and adopted sister are loved by all in our family...
Sorry i didn't save any whales... but we have 10 adopted mantatees and 5 rescue dogs...we are also vegans.
you still killed your child... he/she is still dead... no matter how many endangered species you save,,, you didn't save your own.

reply from: LexIcon

Yours is a very powerful testimony! Courageous! Life AFFIRMING!
As for BenningtonV, I prefer to believe that hers is a false bravado, masking a great inner conflict, but then, the walking dead can be like that, utterly indifferent to lives other than their own.

reply from: Rosalie

Your folks have been trying to force you to have an abortion against your will. You are now trying to force other women to continue their pregnancies against their will. It's the same, horrible thing.
No matter how much you choose to ignore it, it's the same thing you are trying to do to other women that was once done to you. You fought to remain in control of what happens to your BODY, what happens to your HEALTH, what happens with your pregnancy. And yet you still want the same choice taken away from other women, based on YOUR personal beliefs that have no place in the lives of other people. Your hypocrisy is astounding.

reply from: LexIcon

"YOUR FOLKS" treat the unborn as private property, fit for disposal by any and all means, because the U.S. Supreme Court decreed that you could do just that. This is how "YOUR FOLKS" define truly liberated femininity, by ABORTING a pregnancy without shame or apology, isn't it?

reply from: Rosalie

"YOUR FOLKS" treat the unborn as private property, fit for disposal by any and all means, because the U.S. Supreme Court decreed that you could do just that. This is how "YOUR FOLKS" define truly liberated femininity, by ABORTING a pregnancy without shame or apology, isn't it?
Inside of my body and living off my resources = I have the say so. Simple as that.

reply from: LexIcon

I expected that you would make such an utterly selfish argument.

reply from: Infidel

The argument is basically "I'm pregnant, therefore I can abort." There is no logical basis for the conclusion. In other words, it's not really an "argument," it's an unsupported conclusion. I might just as easily respond, "it's a human being, therefore you do not 'have the say so' to determine whether it lives or dies..." Same thing. No logical argument, just an assertion.
To be more clear (and perhaps more offensive in order to emphasize the point), I might also reply, "I'm a male, so shut up and get back in the kitchen." This would by no means represent a logical argument, but merely reflects a belief that I should have my way, based on my own personal bias.
I do not accept the premise that the fact that an entity is inside you automatically gives you an absolute right to kill it any more than I would expect to to accept the implied premise in my fictional response, that as a female, you are my subordinate... Understand?

reply from: Shenanigans

Agreed.
I mean, what kind of person shows up on a Pro-Life forum and starts a topic about her abortion and how she doesn't regret it.
So, to me, I see her/(him??) either being a troll and whether or not she's had an abortion is moot because she's only out to cause trouble, or, she has deep emotional wounds that she can't acknowledge, and the only way she can feel to allievate her guilt is to try and believe that her abortion was tops, and the way she does that is by spamming up a storm. Basically, she's saying over and over again that her aboriton was good for her in the hope that saying it over and over will somehow trick her brain and her heart into accepting it.
Either way, he/she/it needs help, the mental health varity.

reply from: sweet

"YOUR FOLKS" treat the unborn as private property, fit for disposal by any and all means, because the U.S. Supreme Court decreed that you could do just that. This is how "YOUR FOLKS" define truly liberated femininity, by ABORTING a pregnancy without shame or apology, isn't it?
Inside of my body and living off my resources = I have the say so. Simple as that. exactly what is inside your body--can you say Baby--I dare you...and did you say Living? was that a typo??

reply from: Infidel

We're in a cranky mood this evening, I see.
Why does that make her a B-word, btw?
Perhaps some feel it is their Christian duty to be intentionally offensive or even vulgar when addressing those who advocate abortion. Of course, many Christians would insist that Christians should not be calling people "bit ches," but to each his own I suppose.
I just can't help but wonder what, if anything, was intended to be accomplished by doing so. If this is an effective means of witnessing or ministering to the lost, I would be interested in hearing a rational explanation for that. I've pondered this, but as far as I can see, it only makes people resentful or causes other emotional responses that I assume would be counterproductive.
Of course, some will have no significant emotional response to being called a b itch, but I would think it would at least effect how they viewed the offending poster, and not in a good way (depending on the offender's intentions, of course, since they might have a different idea of "good" and "bad" than I do).
The possible results I've considered are, then, offense to the insulted, and/or some alteration of the way they view the insulter. I can't imagine how either of these could possibly help the prolife cause.
I have also considered the fact that insulting someone might effect the insulter as well. After all, we do the things we do for a reason, a "payoff," if you will. Some people insult others as a means of feeling better themselves, either because they feel the other party has wronged them in some way (revenge), or even to attempt to combat their own insecurities. It is even possible that the offender believes the offended will benefit in some way from being insulted (tough love?).
So what does the board think? Is it proper for Christians to call others "b itches," or might we reasonably expect a better example from believers? Do you think calling prochoicers names helps our cause, hurts it, both, or neither? What do you think?
Does anyone have insights to share? Can you shed any light on this? Would you take someone seriously who professed to be a Christian, but called you a "b itch?" Is it justifiable under any circumstances? Do you think it says anything about the person who does so?

reply from: LexIcon

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bitch">Merriam-Webster OnLine defines bitch as:
1 : the female of the dog or some other carnivorous mammals
2 a : a lewd or immoral woman b : a malicious, spiteful, or overbearing woman - sometimes used as a generalized term of abuse
3 : something that is extremely difficult, objectionable, or unpleasant
4 : complaint
So then, does BenningtonV satisfy definition 2a and/or b, that is, if BenningtonV is indeed a woman? If the answer is "yes," then why shouldn't a Christian call her what she is? Because it is impolite? Recall that Jesus called certain of his adversaries "children of the devil" http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+8%3A44&version=NIV and "white-washed sepulchres full of dead men's bones."http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+23%3A27-28&version=NIV
How harsh of Jesus! The thing is, Jesus didn't hate his adversaries and wish them ill by calling them what they truly were before God and man. His heart's desire was that they would repent. That is, he spoke the truth in love. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+4%3A15&version=NIV Can Christians not, or should they not, by God's grace and wisdom, do the same when confronted with evil in its many forms?
See: http://randyalcorn.blogspot.com/2009/05/speak-truth-in-love.html
As for BenningtonV's alleged stupidity, I quote the philosopher Forrest Gump, "Stupid is as stupid does."

reply from: Infidel

Those are subjective considerations, Lex. Be careful what you defend/condone. If I feel your mom is "overbearing," are you OK with me referring to her as "b itch?" You would assert that I was being a good Christian, and showing love for her? Right....
We both know it is almost always intended as a slur, so I find your reference to "speak the truth in love" to be laughable. You get this. You're not stupid. Also, it gets really tiresome hearing "Jesus called names," as if that somehow justified you intentionally insulting someone. When you are perfect, I will accept that argument....I will then concede that you have the wisdom to determine that being an ass to someone else is for their own good, which is the only way I can really accept that it was done "in love." Until then, it looks like you are just trying to rationalize climbing right into the mud with those you obviously hold yourself to be above... (generally speaking, not referring to you, specifically)
I would also point out that a scriptural argument can be made that Christians are only to "rebuke" each other. I know of no scripture that entreats you say something about someone else just because you believe it to be true.
Pro 9:8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.

reply from: B0zo

No it's not proper to call others that name.
However...I did call nancyu that once, only because she really is one, though I have held my tounge since then.

reply from: LexIcon

So, until I am perfect, whatever that is supposed to mean, I had better just keep my mouth shut, eh?
Actually, rereading what I posted, I don't see that I ever endorsed calling someone a bitch, even if they met the criteria according to Merriam-Webster. I simply posed a question.
As far as Christians rebuking each other "in love," it may have been Christian Judaizers that Paul had in mind in Galatians 5:12 when he wrote, "As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!" That is, he wanted them to castrate themselves.
While we're on the subject of rebukes, and in response to your expressed ignorance of any "scripture that entreats you say something about someone else just because you believe it to be true," please do consider Titus 1:12-13, "Even one of their own prophets has said, 'Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.' This testimony is true. Therefore, rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith."

reply from: Infidel

That's not what I said. I don't really care what you say, and only you are responsible for what proceeds from your own mouth. Don't try to make this personal.
I simply pointed out the flaw in defending insults against others based on what Jesus may or may not have said, since what applies to Jesus doesn't necessarily apply to you and I. Just because God punishes sinners doesn't mean we have a right or obligation to do so.
Clearly, you offered rationalizations in defense of doing so...
"Sound in the faith" implies that the "cretins" in question are fellow believers, does it not?
Once more, if I believe your mother to be "overbearing," would you consider it my Christian duty to call her a "b itch?" Would you think this was done "in love?" Would you consider it "wrong" for me to call her that?
(note that I am simply "posing questions")

reply from: LexIcon

That's not what I said. I don't really care what you say, and only you are responsible for what proceeds from your own mouth. Don't try to make this personal.
I simply pointed out the flaw in defending insults against others based on what Jesus may or may not have said, since what applies to Jesus doesn't necessarily apply to you and I. Just because God punishes sinners doesn't mean we have a right or obligation to do so.
Clearly, you offered rationalizations in defense of doing so...
"Sound in the faith" implies that the "cretins" in question are fellow believers, does it not?
Once more, if I believe your mother to be "overbearing," would you consider it my Christian duty to call her a "b itch?" Would you think this was done "in love?" Would you consider it "wrong" for me to call her that?
(note that I am simply "posing questions")
You wrote, "When you are perfect, I will accept that argument," but of course I will never be perfect.
If you called my overbearing mother a bitch, and explained to me that you considered it your Christian duty to do so "in love," I would think you mad, as in, insane, and my mother may very well have called you an "effing bastard."
Cretan CHRISTIANS should be sharply rebuked, Paul wrote, while also holding that the ENTIRE lot of them, as in, ALL Cretans, "are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons."
P.S. I wonder what 21st century Cretans -ALWAYS liars, evil brutes, and lazy gluttons- think of Paul's claim to be an apostle?

reply from: LexIcon

Thanks!
You and I aren't enemies. We agree that language is powerful and should be wielded wisely, with surgical skill.
As for me, I would never call someone a stupid bitch, even if she fits the bill. What's the point?

reply from: BenningtonV

You people cam call me what you like. I'm happy with my choice

reply from: galen

Your folks have been trying to force you to have an abortion against your will. You are now trying to force other women to continue their pregnancies against their will. It's the same, horrible thing.
No matter how much you choose to ignore it, it's the same thing you are trying to do to other women that was once done to you. You fought to remain in control of what happens to your BODY, what happens to your HEALTH, what happens with your pregnancy. And yet you still want the same choice taken away from other women, based on YOUR personal beliefs that have no place in the lives of other people. Your hypocrisy is astounding.
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My having an abortion would be forcing MY will upon a completely innocent party( the child), for selfish reasons...exactly the same that had been done to me by my rapists... therefore no one would have won. In continuing my pregnancy, wether i raised my child or gave him up for adoption... no one was forced into lowering themselves to the level of those who assaulted me. I won , my son won, and the rapists lost.
when you kill something everybody looses,, especially the one who is killed.

reply from: Shenanigans

You're happy you killed another human being? Preventing them from experiencing all the things in life you take for granted?
You were what, 17 and you're now 25, meaning your little son or daughter would be 8 now? How many crappy maccoroni pictures have you missed out on? How many "I love you mummy"s? How many cute little moments when you wonder "how in the blue hell did he/she think up that?"
Even if you adopted the little squeaker out, you still denied them a possible 80 years.
You took 80 years from someone. How can you be happy with that?

reply from: joueravecfous

Why didn't you mention the years of diapers, crying, clothing, sleepless nights, whining, tantrums, health care costs, childcare costs, food and frustration? She's missed all that too. If you're going to play the emotional rhetoric card, try to be fair.

reply from: LexIcon

http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/nvp/roe/mothertheresa_roe.html
Excerpt:
Your opinion stated that you did not need to "resolve the difficult question of when life begins." That question is inescapable. If the right to life is an inherent and inalienable right, it must surely exist wherever life exists. No one can deny that the unborn child is a distinct being, that it is human, and that it is alive. It is unjust, therefore, to deprive the unborn child of its fundamental right to life on the basis of its age, size, or condition of dependency.
It was a sad infidelity to America's highest ideals when this Court said that it did not matter, or could not be determined, when the inalienable right to life began for a child in its mother's womb.
America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe v. Wade has deformed a great nation. The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men. It has sown violence and discord at the heart of the most intimate human relationships. It has aggravated the derogation of the father's role in an increasingly fatherless society. It has portrayed the greatest of gifts -- a child -- as a competitor, an intrusion, and an inconvenience. It has nominally accorded mothers unfettered dominion over the independent lives of their physically dependent sons and daughters.
Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government. They are every human being's entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be declared to be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or a sovereign.
The Constitutional Court of the Federal Republic of Germany recently ruled that "the unborn child is entitled to its rights to life independently of acceptance by its mother; this is an elementary and inalienable right that emanates from the dignity of the human being." Americans may feel justly proud that Germany in 1993 was able to recognize the sanctity of human life. You must weep that your own government, at present, seems blind to this truth.

reply from: LexIcon

http://www.priestsforlife.org/prochoice/ourbodiesoursouls.htm
Excerpt:
At its best, feminism defends its moral high ground by being simply faithful to the truth: to women's real-life experiences. But, to its own ethical and political detriment, the pro-choice movement has relinquished the moral frame around the issue of abortion. It has ceded the language of right and wrong to abortion foes. The movement's abandonment of what Americans have always, and rightly demanded of their movements -- an ethical core -- and its reliance instead on a political rhetoric in which the fetus means nothing are proving fatal.
The effects of this abandonment can be measured in two ways. First of all, such a position causes us to lose political ground. By refusing to look at abortion within a moral framework, we lose the millions of Americans who want to support abortion as a legal right but still need to condemn it as a moral iniquity. Their ethical allegiances are then addressed by the pro-life movement, which is willing to speak about good and evil.
But we are also in danger of losing something more important than votes; we stand in jeopardy of losing what can only be called our souls. Clinging to a rhetoric about abortion in which there is no life and no death, we entangle our beliefs in a series of self-delusions, fibs and evasions. And we risk becoming precisely what our critics charge us with being: callous, selfish and casually destructive men and women who share a cheapened view of human life.

reply from: sweet

i honestly don't want to be too hard on her...but this is sooo correct... you miss out on all of this too! and believe me, i have 4 children, you wouldnt believe how beautiful diaper changing can be...sweet your infants cry can sound...cute the expensive clothes are... how so worth it losing sleep is...how awesome the annoying whining and tantrums can be...how the costs of healthcare, childcare,and and food is zero compared to your child's life. The frustration that's there at times is wonderful when you at least have your child's life. If this list was supposed to encourage or justify abortion...it by far, doesnt. At the end of the day, if I have everything on this list and my children are alive and well, I'm grateful for that. To mention someone who would have an 8 year old today, had she not killed her....is so so sad. Just to think of the many hugs and kisses and I Love you's I get from my 5 year old...I also think that this young woman regrets what she has done deep down...how could she not? I believe one day she will admit it.

reply from: sweet

I'm not gonna call you any bad names...you already know what you've done and live with yourself everyday...I hope you can admit the truth one day...your eight year old child deserves it.

reply from: BossMomma

Well, glad the infanticide worked for you. I'm a single mother of three kids, have a successful career and am on externship for another, I get no child support, no real support from the grandparents and, guess what, I graduate college in April. Anyone can take that easy out and have their baby butchered like an animal, but it takes a strong woman to choose life and rise above the statistics. And believe me, as Dr. Maya Angelou once said, I Rise.
Power to life!

reply from: BossMomma

My best friend is 57 years old, her aged and ailing parents both suffer dementia, her father suffers from parkinsons disease. Caring for them alone she gets up early, changes their diapers, makes their meals, dresses them, handles their medical expenses and, gives them their medication. They both throw tantrums, her mother is constantly getting lost in the house and, it has jacked her blood pressure through the roof. To top it all off, 8 months ago she suffered an aneurysm. She goes through far more than the average single mother, why can't she legally off the old folks?

reply from: Shenanigans

Yeah, you're spot on. But all that doesn't justify the wanton KILLING of a child. And you can't have the positive without the hard work. It's like little red hen and her bread.
Plus, if you re-read my orginial post you might notice the part about adoption. So if diapers full of sh1t isn't your cup of tea, you can give your child to someone who's willing to do the hard work for your mistake.
If you don't want the pregnancy, don't engage in the act that's meant to create one.

reply from: B0zo

But consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
And consent to playing Russion Roulette is not consent to a bullet in the brains.
And consent to eating 20 candy bars is not consent to a tummy ache.
You really don't get it, do you?

reply from: MC3

To My Fellow Pro-Lifers:
You guys are missing the obvious here. Assuming that the story being told by BenningtonV is true, she is not trying to convince you of anything. What she understands is that she paid some filthy goon to murder her baby and, now, she desperately needs to convince herself that it was justified. The fact is, she doesn't have to live with what YOU think; it's what SHE thinks that's haunting her. And right now, she's starting to fear that it will continue to haunt here for the rest of her life.
That is what this thread is about.

reply from: LexIcon

I suggested as much, that BenningtonV is full of false bravado, and you have no doubt noticed that she keeps coming back to this thread...

reply from: Banned Member

I suggested as much, that BenningtonV is full of false bravado, and you have no doubt noticed that she keeps coming back to this thread...
Maybe, she is not a she at all. She/he may just be a troll playing the crowd. I can't think of a better way to rile people up than to start a thread with a post like that. This is a successful troll indeed.

reply from: Shenanigans

But consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
And consent to playing Russion Roulette is not consent to a bullet in the brains.
And consent to eating 20 candy bars is not consent to a tummy ache.
But therein lies the problem. The point of Russian Roulette is not to shoot yourself, its a risk. The point of eating 20 candy bars it not to get a tummy ache, Lord knows it wasn't when I did it on a dare and ended up being awake on a sugar high for four days. The point of sex is pregnancy. Its a biological imperative. I can't change the purpose of nature or evolution. No amount of pro-abortion ramblings and rhetoric or any bullocks from any one or any side about emotional bonding or family building or strenghtening the immune system by sharing microbes is going to change the fact sex exists is to reproduce further members of our species.
I don't get people's twistings of biological truths. I like things black and white and simple. Its my strange brain's fault. ^_^'

reply from: Shenanigans

I suggested as much, that BenningtonV is full of false bravado, and you have no doubt noticed that she keeps coming back to this thread...
Me too, although I wrapped it up in lenghty sentences and God awful spelling.
The more I see of Bennington, the more I pity her. Not empathy, not sympathy, just pity.
But I'm a glass is half full kind of person, she's young, she'll probably wake up in time to repent and heal.

reply from: B0zo

But consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
And consent to playing Russion Roulette is not consent to a bullet in the brains.
And consent to eating 20 candy bars is not consent to a tummy ache.
But therein lies the problem. The point of Russian Roulette is not to shoot yourself, its a risk. The point of eating 20 candy bars it not to get a tummy ache, Lord knows it wasn't when I did it on a dare and ended up being awake on a sugar high for four days. The point of sex is pregnancy. Its a biological imperative. I can't change the purpose of nature or evolution. No amount of pro-abortion ramblings and rhetoric or any bullocks from any one or any side about emotional bonding or family building or strenghtening the immune system by sharing microbes is going to change the fact sex exists is to reproduce further members of our species.
I don't get people's twistings of biological truths. I like things black and white and simple. Its my strange brain's fault. ^_^'
Very good point.
Too many forget that when pregnancy happens, that's a biological success.

reply from: lukesmom

Unfortunantly, what you don't see or understand is how your attitude and lack of remorse reflect negatively about you in general. I am glad you got where you wanted to be but find it pitiful you had to climb your ladder over the body of your sacrificed, dead unborn child. As I said, speaks volumes about the type of person you are. Pity.

reply from: lukesmom

But consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
And consent to playing Russion Roulette is not consent to a bullet in the brains.
And consent to eating 20 candy bars is not consent to a tummy ache.
You really don't get it, do you?
Every action has a reaction. It is a pretty ignorent person that doesn't understand that if you put a loaded gun to your head, this act may result in your death. Same with sex, you have to be a few loads short if you don't understand the purpose of the bodies reproductive system is to reproduce. Therefore, if you don't want to reproduce, don't have sex or remove/impede your reproductive system. Not rocket science but very basic biology.


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