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by: LexIcon

How would you like to be targeted for extermination? Consider this: http://www.toomanyaborted.com/

reply from: BossMomma

So tell me, who is herding up these black pregnant women and forcing them to abort? Last I checked the black community outnumbers the white community. Black women who abort are just like white women who abort, they made their choice.

reply from: LexIcon

So tell me, who is herding up these black pregnant women and forcing them to abort? Last I checked the black community outnumbers the white community. Black women who abort are just like white women who abort, they made their choice.
Sure, they made their choice, and Planned Parenthood has been happy to oblige them.

reply from: Spinwubby

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Today I wanted some cheap slipcovers and throws, and Anna's Linnens was happy to oblige me.
I made my choice. You got a problem with that?

reply from: LexIcon

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Today I wanted some cheap slipcovers and throws, and Anna's Linnens was happy to oblige me.
I made my choice. You got a problem with that?
Was Anna's goal your extermination? Perhaps you'd rather not read up on Margaret Sanger's http://www.toomanyaborted.com/?page_id=13

reply from: LindaMc

Planned Parenthood does target blacks and Mexicans. I was in Houston a few weeks ago and saw a protest on the news, the protesters being comprised of black and Mexican people who lived in the neighborhood that Planned Parenthood was opening up another business. It's all about marketing for them, choose a location where you feel you'll get more customers, then offer free pregnancy tests and hook them with your sales reps (counselors).

reply from: LexIcon

It's always useful to read and hear the stories of former abortion clinic workers, like http://www.prolifeaction.org/providers/davis.php, and http://www.squidoo.com/Joan-Appleton#module24329092.

reply from: BossMomma

So tell me, who is herding up these black pregnant women and forcing them to abort? Last I checked the black community outnumbers the white community. Black women who abort are just like white women who abort, they made their choice.
Sure, they made their choice, and Planned Parenthood has been happy to oblige them.
And do you honestly think they try to disuade white women? They don't care about the race of the fetus their aborting. There is no black genocide in the abortion issue.

reply from: BossMomma

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Today I wanted some cheap slipcovers and throws, and Anna's Linnens was happy to oblige me.
I made my choice. You got a problem with that?
Was Anna's goal your extermination? Perhaps you'd rather not read up on Margaret Sanger's http://www.toomanyaborted.com/?page_id=13
Sanger was pushing birth control, not abortion, she abhorred abortion.

reply from: LexIcon

Tell that to these folks: http://www.blackgenocide.org/home.html. Get the MAAFA21 dvd here: http://www.maafa21.com/

reply from: LexIcon

True enough, but she favored forced sterilization, and the eugenics monster that she helped to create inspired the Nazis and is today the nation's largest abortion provider.
http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm

reply from: BossMomma

True enough, but she favored forced sterilization, and the eugenics monster that she helped to create inspired the Nazis and is today the nation's largest abortion provider.
http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm
Well, Sanger is nothing but a long dead racist who founded birth control. If black and hispanic women are aborting their pregnancies it is because those women do not wish to be pregnant, not because someone is targetting them for extinction. Abortion has nothing to do with race and everything to do with choice, the choice of the woman involved.

reply from: LexIcon

You write as though Sanger's eugenics mentality has not survived to this day in the abortion industry that she helped to establish, the empire of "choice."
From http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2009/07/09/whiff-euthanasia-ginsburg-tells-nyt-roe-was-about-populations-we-dont-wa

In a July 12, 2009 New York Times Magazine online article ("The Place of Women on the Court,") Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg told the Times's Emily Bazelon that "at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don't want to have too many of."
Nope, no targeting for extermination here! It's EXCLUSIVELY about "choice!"

reply from: BossMomma

You write as though Sanger's eugenics mentality has not survived to this day in the abortion industry that she helped to establish, the empire of "choice."
From http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2009/07/09/whiff-euthanasia-ginsburg-tells-nyt-roe-was-about-populations-we-dont-wa
">http://www.newsbusters.org/blo...ions-we-dont-wa
In a July 12, 2009 New York Times Magazine online article ("The Place of Women on the Court,") Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg told the Times's Emily Bazelon that "at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don't want to have too many of."
Nope, no targeting for extermination here! It's EXCLUSIVELY about "choice!"
It is about choice. Who is forcing these women to abort? What planned parenthood task force is going around rounding up low income minorities and forcibly aborting their pregnancies? These women walk in of their own free will, slap their cash on the counter and throw their legs in the stirrups. The abortion provider is doing what he/she is paid to do.

reply from: LexIcon

Hmmm. Let's see. Could it be unsupportive boyfriends and/or families and/or employers whose LACK of support for the women's preferred CHOICE to continue a pregnancy to term that might actually be forcing them to "of their own free will" CHOOSE to abort?
Of course the hired killer at the abortuary is only doing what he/she is paid to do.

reply from: BossMomma

Hmmm. Let's see. Could it be unsupportive boyfriends and/or families and/or employers whose LACK of support for the women's preferred CHOICE to continue a pregnancy to term that might actually be forcing them to "of their own free will" CHOOSE to abort?
Of course the hired killer at the abortuary is only doing what he/she is paid to do.
What do unsupportive families and boyfriends have to do with planned parenthood? That sounds like the fault of the unsupportive families and boyfriends. Could it be that the black population it'self is to blame?

reply from: PanhandleGuy

The "choice" in pro-choice is a misnomer.

reply from: LexIcon

Unsupportives depend on Planned Parenthood to let them off the hook, while PP can say that it coerces nothing but is only there to "help." It's a codependency.
Is the black population to blame? Who destroyed the black family?

reply from: BossMomma

Unsupportives depend on Planned Parenthood to let them off the hook, while PP can say that it coerces nothing but is only there to "help." It's a codependency.
Is the black population to blame? Who destroyed the black family?
There is no planned parenthood in my county yet there are plenty of struggling single black mothers with no supportive baby daddy in sight, so they drive clear out to houston to have the abortion they feel they need. What's your BS excuse now? If minority women are not getting the loving support they need during an unplanned pregnancy, the fault lies with the boyfriend and the families involved, not with the clinic staff.

reply from: LexIcon

I haven't excused the unsupportives at all, while I hinted at the FACT that no small measure of blame should go to those who marginalized the role of the black male as provider. Think Welfare State. It might not be possible to undo THAT damage. Your BS excuse is to let the abortioneering "clinic staff" completely off the hook.

reply from: SpitMcGee

I don't understand why the outrage is directed at Planned Parenthood. Wouldn't it make more sense for the site to focus its anger on the ones who are directly responsible for the numbers (the black women who get abortions)? Are they not adults capable of making their own decisions?

reply from: LexIcon

Have you never been pressured to make a choice that you later regretted? Planned Parenthood is exploitative of choices that are hardly free and often not even medically informed. Do you know how many of its clients it refers for adoption?

reply from: Spinwubby

Originally posted by: LexIcon
I haven't excused the unsupportives at all, while I hinted at the FACT that no small measure of blame should go to those who marginalized the role of the black male as provider.
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Black males did that.

reply from: LexIcon

For your edification: http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TP7EI9DFFJ2K63P0R

reply from: LexIcon

http://www.nrlc.org/News_and_Views/Feb10/nv021010part2.html

reply from: Spinwubby

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Call the WAAAAAAAAAAMBULNCE!
Have you looked in the Oval Office lately?

reply from: LexIcon

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Call the WAAAAAAAAAAMBULNCE!
Have you looked in the Oval Office lately?
Hmm, Obama as Crybaby Thug... does that make Michelle the Thugess?
I'll NEVER understand Chicago!

reply from: Spinwubby

Originally posted by: LexIcon
Hmm, Obama as Crybaby Thug... does that make Michelle the Thugess?
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So you only identify with black men who declare themselves "maginalized" and black women who aren't bright enough to make their own adult decisions - you know - the "victims."
You then trash hard-working achievement-oriented black Americans.
I don't think you know the difference between "victims" and "losers."
I know plenty of white losers. (But if you ask them, they'll tell you why it's all somebody else's fault...)

reply from: LexIcon

Geez, lady. You're the one who wrote, "Call the WAAAAAAAAAAMBULNCE!
I wrote nothing about black men who declare themselves "marginalized." I mentioned those who marginalized them, the creators of the Welfare State, and then posted a link to Topix where YOU could explore the mentality further.
Nor did I ever write that I believe that black women "aren't bright enough to make their own adult decisions." I rather wrote that they might be pressured into making choices that they otherwise would not make but because of a lack of support, they may have a choice, but it isn't free.
You need to learn how to read.

reply from: Ana

I am in a population that is strongly marketed to for the flu vaccine. I get emails, see TV spots targeted to people like me, ect. Every year, I DON'T get a flu shot. Marketing is about looking for customers, yes. But it is that person's choice to purchace the product or not. By denying otherwise, you're claiming an entire population (or two) is too stupid to think for themselves.
You aren't saying Blacks and Hispanics are stupid, are you?

reply from: Ana

This applies to a lot of people in a lot of situations. And a bad choice is still a choice... adults are supposed to be responsible for theirs.

reply from: LexIcon

This applies to a lot of people in a lot of situations. And a bad choice is still a choice... adults are supposed to be responsible for theirs.
Sure, and have you ever been pregnant but your abusive boyfriend, the father of your child, refused to support your decision to carry your pregnancy to term because he didn't want to be tied down, but he'd gladly pay for your abortion, otherwise he'd probably beat the crap out of you like he had so many times before? What is the responsible thing to do?

reply from: Ana

Well, the short answer to that is "Yes". I will not get into details about it, except to say that my "choice" is entering the Navy in March!!

reply from: QueenJ

If Planned Parenthood is trying to exterminate minorities then they're doing an extremely poor job of it.

reply from: LindaMc

I am in a population that is strongly marketed to for the flu vaccine. I get emails, see TV spots targeted to people like me, ect. Every year, I DON'T get a flu shot. Marketing is about looking for customers, yes. But it is that person's choice to purchace the product or not. By denying otherwise, you're claiming an entire population (or two) is too stupid to think for themselves.
You aren't saying Blacks and Hispanics are stupid, are you?
Nice stretch Ana, ready for the snap-back? I said they were protesting.

reply from: LexIcon

So many minorities, so little time...

reply from: LexIcon

Die, you parasitical conceptus, die!!!

reply from: LindaMc

Somehow I doubt Her Highness has the capacity for irony.
I also think that minority is an archaic term.

reply from: BossMomma

Somehow I doubt Her Highness has the capacity for irony.
I also think that minority is an archaic term.
No sh!t, they should be refered to as the Majority.

reply from: Ana

I am in a population that is strongly marketed to for the flu vaccine. I get emails, see TV spots targeted to people like me, ect. Every year, I DON'T get a flu shot. Marketing is about looking for customers, yes. But it is that person's choice to purchace the product or not. By denying otherwise, you're claiming an entire population (or two) is too stupid to think for themselves.
You aren't saying Blacks and Hispanics are stupid, are you?
Nice stretch Ana, ready for the snap-back? I said they were protesting.
Not a stretch, but perhaps I mixed up your point with someone elses. I'm saying people complain that abortions are being marketed to certain populations, and that it doesn't matter; the people of the "marketed population" are still responsible for their own actions.

reply from: LindaMc

I have a hard time with this. I believe that God gave us an innate sense of right or wrong; a natural moral compass so to speak, but I also know that women are lied to by those who would profit off the abortion industry- be it financially or otherwise.

reply from: QueenJ

So many minorities, so little time...
Planned Parenthood was founded in 1916. That means they've had close to 100 YEARS to accomplish their goal of "exterminating minorities."
Adolf Hitler annihilated 6 MILLION+ Jews and other "undesirables" in a mere 12 YEARS (1933-1945).
Yet, Planned Parenthood, which "is a federation of 89 independent Planned Parenthood affiliates around the United States. These affiliates together operate 850 locations, offering a variety of information and procedures to more than three million people," has YET to make ANY noticeable dent in the population of non-whites.
So, uh, explain it again to me the whens, wheres, hows, and whys of Planned Parenthood's ULTRA-EVIL CONSPIRACY TO ANNIHILATE ALL NON-WHITES? I'd really love to know since stuff like facts and statistics and common sense and logic seem to reduce your claims to the baseless and ridiculous accusations that they are.
Side Note:
Services Provided by Planned Parenthood in 2007
1. Contraception constituted 36% of total service
2. STI/STD testing and treatment constituted 31%
3. Cancer testing and screening constituted 17%
4. Other women's health procedures, including pregnancy, prenatal, midlife, and infertility were 11%
5. 3% of total procedures involved surgical and medical abortions

reply from: Ana

I have a hard time with this. I believe that God gave us an innate sense of right or wrong; a natural moral compass so to speak, but I also know that women are lied to by those who would profit off the abortion industry- be it financially or otherwise.
I understand your concern, but at some point we have to say that people, especially adult people, are responsible for their own actions. In my opinion (spend your .02 wisely), part of the problem is that no one wants to take responsibility for their own actions, their own choices and their own life. It's much easier to blame everyone and everything for your situation rather than to say, "I messed up".

reply from: QueenJ

"Racially, the U.S. has a White American majority. Minorities compose just over one-third of the population (102.5 million in 2007), with Hispanic and Latino Americans and African Americans as the largest minority groups, by ethnicity and race, respectively."
So, uh, what was that you were saying again?

reply from: Spock

"Racially, the U.S. has a White American majority. Minorities compose just over one-third of the population (102.5 million in 2007), with Hispanic and Latino Americans and African Americans as the largest minority groups, by ethnicity and race, respectively."
So, uh, what was that you were saying again?
Just curious...Do they rely on people to identify their own race for these statistics? A lot of people are "mixed," so how would they count them? As whatever "race" they considered themselves to be? Like if you were half Asian, half Caucasian, you could call yourself Caucasian?
I don't think these stats are that important, but I could be wrong. I really don't care much about "race," but there may be a valid reason to make racial distinctions that has not occurred to me. At any rate, I'm just wondering what the criteria were, and just how accurate we can assume the stats to be.

reply from: Spock

A higher percentage of blacks abort than whites, according to the stats I found, but there are still a lot more whites being aborted than minorities. PP must be run by incompetents if they're trying to kill off blacks. I would have thought they could find some way to reduce the number of white babies being aborted. Wouldn't that be a bad thing if they only wanted to kill blacks?

reply from: LexIcon

So many minorities, so little time...
Planned Parenthood was founded in 1916. That means they've had close to 100 YEARS to accomplish their goal of "exterminating minorities."
Adolf Hitler annihilated 6 MILLION+ Jews and other "undesirables" in a mere 12 YEARS (1933-1945).
Yet, Planned Parenthood, which "is a federation of 89 independent Planned Parenthood affiliates around the United States. These affiliates together operate 850 locations, offering a variety of information and procedures to more than three million people," has YET to make ANY noticeable dent in the population of non-whites.
So, uh, explain it again to me the whens, wheres, hows, and whys of Planned Parenthood's ULTRA-EVIL CONSPIRACY TO ANNIHILATE ALL NON-WHITES? I'd really love to know since stuff like facts and statistics and common sense and logic seem to reduce your claims to the baseless and ridiculous accusations that they are.
http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm

reply from: LexIcon

BTW, Queen J,
Margaret Sanger did all that she did without apology or shame, just like you.

reply from: Spock

Isn't Sanger dead? And I hate to play devil's advocate (ok, I really don't), but weren't a lot of her views on eugenics and such widely held in her day? I mean, eugenics was even preached from the pulpit in her day, right? Is it really reasonable to assume that society became more enlightened, but PP is still (figuratively) in the "dark ages?
Now I'm well aware that racism still exists, and there are no doubt people who would be pleased that a higher percentage of blacks choose to abort than whites, but does that mean there is an ongoing conspiracy to eliminate blacks, to commit genocide? Aren't the mothers the ones who actually decide whether their children are to be aborted? Even if there are individuals working for PP who are racist to that extent, would it be reasonable to assert that PP itself is a racist organization, much less that they exist for the purpose of genocide against blacks? Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there a lot of black people who work for PP?
I honestly believe that most prochoicers don't hold their position out of any sort of malicious intent, but simply lack clarity on the issue, honestly do not understand the significance of prenatal life as we do. Likewise, I believe people who work for PP believe they provide a valuable and necessary public service by providing abortions. I'm convinced most of them believe they help women, regardless of "race." There may, of course, be exceptions, and I do not summarily dismiss the possibility, however remote, that I may be wrong about this, but to date, no one has been able to convince me otherwise.

reply from: BossMomma

"Racially, the U.S. has a White American majority. Minorities compose just over one-third of the population (102.5 million in 2007), with Hispanic and Latino Americans and African Americans as the largest minority groups, by ethnicity and race, respectively."
So, uh, what was that you were saying again?
That whites have become the minority.

reply from: QueenJ


Pretending to be "colorblind" is not helpful in creating racial equity. It's actually quite detrimental and rather dishonest, in fact.
http://www.amazon.com/Whitewashing-Race-Myth-Color-Blind-Society/dp/0520244753/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265960717&sr=1-1 by Michael K. Brown, Martin Carnoy, Elliott Currie, and Troy Duster
https://http://www.amazon.com/Racism-without-Racists-Color-Blind-Persistence/dp/1442202181/ref=pd_sim_b_2 by Eduardo Bonilla-Silva
http://www.amazon.com/Silent-Racism-Well-Meaning-People-Perpetuate/dp/1594512132/ref=pd_sim_b_40 by Barbara Trepagnier

reply from: QueenJ

I wasn't aware that Margaret Sanger was still alive and running Planned Parenthood.

reply from: QueenJ

"RACIALLY, THE U.S. HAS A WHITE AMERICAN MAJORITY. MINORITIES COMPOSE JUST OVER ONE-THIRD OF THE POPULATION."
"RACIALLY, THE U.S. HAS A WHITE AMERICAN MAJORITY. MINORITIES COMPOSE JUST OVER ONE-THIRD OF THE POPULATION."
"RACIALLY, THE U.S. HAS A WHITE AMERICAN MAJORITY. MINORITIES COMPOSE JUST OVER ONE-THIRD OF THE POPULATION."
Which one of these words do you not understand?

reply from: JasonFontaine

It doesn't matter if they are white - black - all are still the purest form of innocence.

reply from: LexIcon

I wasn't aware that Margaret Sanger was still alive and running Planned Parenthood.
Her spirit is being channelled. She has many hands now.

reply from: LexIcon

There are ALWAYS exceptions, like http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/magazine/12ginsburg-t.html?pagewanted=4
JUSTICE GINSBURG: Yes, the ruling about that surprised me. [Harris v. McRae - in 1980 the court upheld the Hyde Amendment, which forbids the use of Medicaid for abortions.] Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don't want to have too many of. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion. Which some people felt would risk coercing women into having abortions when they didn't really want them. But when the court decided McRae, the case came out the other way. And then I realized that my perception of it had been altogether wrong.

reply from: LexIcon

According to this factsheethttp://www.nrlc.org/Factsheets/FS03_AbortionInTheUS.pdf some 52,008,665 abortions have been performed in the U.S. since Roe v. Wade was inflicted on the nation.
Of that number, how many were performed by Planned Parenthood affiliates? How many were performed on minorities? What percentage of PP's total income did abortions of minorities represent?
I wouldn't suppose that there is an explicit "ULTRA-EVIL CONSPIRACY TO ANNIHILATE ALL NON-WHITES" that forms the basis of PP's business model -these are post-Sanger days, after all- but I can understand how it might SEEM THAT WAY to those who wonder why else PP would set up shop in their MINORITY communities.

reply from: joueravecfous

It seems the only ones wondering are outside of the minority communities rather than those voluntarily walking through the doors.
Is the proliferation of unhealthy fast food restaurants in poor communities also an extermination conspiracy?

reply from: LexIcon

I wonder about the quality of "voluntarily."
One could make that argument.

reply from: Spinwubby

One could make that argument.
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It's one of my favorite arguments-
People who blame the abortion providers for their decision to have an abortion are just like the people who get fat and sue McDonald's.
Own your decisions.

reply from: Banned Member

One could make that argument.
Really? Are you playing or do you really have an argument for this? I want.. no.. I need to hear this. Please make this argument and I promise not to be contrary in response.

reply from: faithman

Most Planned parenthoods are in minority comunities to wipe out the minority preborn. Booze stores tend to be located near minority comunities as well. Keep the minorities drunk, and stoned, which promotes crime, which takes away the vote. The overtly higher levels of diabetes, stroke, and heart disease would indicate that a welfare chow line, doesn't have the welfare of those at the trough in mind. I we really wanted to lower health care cost, we would pay far more attention to what we eat. The prevention VS cure thing.

reply from: LexIcon

Does Planned Parenthood support informed consent, or not?
"Unhealthy" fast food restaurants, for their part, post nutritional content posters, or will provide info if asked. Have they fought "informed consent" in court?

reply from: faithman

Does Planned Parenthood support informed consent, or not?
"Unhealthy" fast food restaurants, for their part, post nutritional content posters, or will provide info if asked. Have they fought "informed consent" in court?
They fight it every inch of the way. Why confuse killers with the truth?

reply from: LexIcon

One COULD make that argument, but I wouldn't. It is nutzoid that a corporation would deliberately kill its customers. The shareholders wouldn't stand for it.
Planned Parenthood, on the other hand, kills HALF of its potential "customers" who happen to be in the right place but at the "wrong" time. Sure, it's nutzoid, but that's what happens when a culture decides that certain lives are disposable as a matter of constitutional law. Put another way, a machine was needed that would handle the streams of living "garbage" that Roe v. Wade in particular would generate. Behold Planned Parenthood!
Margaret Sanger, your child LIVES, and what an insatiable appetite it has!!!

reply from: QueenJ

I wasn't aware that Margaret Sanger was still alive and running Planned Parenthood.
Her spirit is being channelled. She has many hands now.
Now she's possessing people? Creepy.

reply from: QueenJ

Haven't we already (ad nauseam) established that there are unsavory and uncouth people on BOTH sides of the debate and that you can't judge an entire movement based on the actions of a few who happen to be misinformed, misguided, and/or crazy and/or vile human beings?
Do I have to air all the pro-life movement's dirty laundry or can we agree on the above?

reply from: LexIcon

Her spirit is being channelled. She has many hands now.
Now she's possessing people? Creepy.
Quite.

reply from: LexIcon

Haven't we already (ad nauseam) established that there are unsavory and uncouth people on BOTH sides of the debate and that you can't judge an entire movement based on the actions of a few who happen to be misinformed, misguided, and/or crazy and/or vile human beings?
Do I have to air all the pro-life movement's dirty laundry or can we agree on the above?
Actually, I am all in favor of airing the "dirty laundry" of pro-lifers. Let them answer for their indiscretions, but I sincerely doubt that Justice Ginsburg would agree with your characterizations. Of course, the problem with Ginsburg is that she just happens to be a U.S. Supreme Court Justice, whose "misinformed, misguided, and/or crazy and/or vile" ideas will surely determine how she will decide what is or is not constitutional and LEGALLY BINDING on the rest of us.

reply from: Spinwubby

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Do you know anything about Margaret Sanger?
From "The Woman Rebel";
"She turned women seeking abortions away from her clinics: "I do not approve of abortion." She called it "sordid," "abhorrent," "terrible," "barbaric," a "horror." She called abortionists "blood-sucking men with MD after their names who perform operations for the price of so-and-so." She called the results of abortion "an outrageous slaughter," "infanticide," "foeticide," and "the killing of babies." And Margaret Sanger, who knew a thing or two about contraception, said that birth control "has nothing to do with abortion, it has nothing to do with interfering with or disturbing life after conception has taken place." Birth control stands alone: "It is the first, last, and final step we all are to take to have real human emancipation."

reply from: LexIcon

It thrills me to pieces that Sanger despised abortion, so the real question is why the organization that she founded and that became the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, is now the largest abortion provider in the U.S. and the IPPF the largest abortion provider in the world.
If you would honor Sanger's vision, as appears to be the case, then allow me to suggest that YOU try to get Planned Parenthood out of the abortion business. Don't be surprised if you are branded an "anti-choice extremist."

reply from: QueenJ

Because Margaret Sanger is DEAD and NO LONGER running the show at Planned Parenthood. Organizations change, evolve, and adapt along with the times. They nix ideologies and beliefs that no longer apply or that they deem as outdated, untrue, and contrary to their present goals and aspirations.
Many companies that have been around for 100+ years started out with what we now know to be detrimental, offensive, and harmful ideas and beliefs.
Abortions account for a fraction of the services provided by Planned Parenthood. They have and continue to help MILLIONS of women receive health-care that they would otherwise have to go without due to financial restrictions.
I think it's high time for the pro-life movement to stop talking shit about Planned Parenthood and start putting their money where their mouth is - build and open clinics in as many locations that Planned Parenthood has that provide ALL of the services (except for abortion, obviously) that Planned Parenthood does at low or no cost to those that qualify. STEAL Planned Parenthood's business. Run them into the ground and make them shut down.
You want Planned Parenthood gone, but if Planned Parenthood is gone, where are these low/no-income women going to go for their:
* birth control (implant/Implanon & patch/Ortho Evra & pill (all or most of the different formulations and brands available) & shot/Depro-Provera & vaginal ring/NuvaRing & diaphragm & condoms (latex & latex-free) & IUD/Mirena & ParaGard & spermicide)
* HPV & Hepatitis vaccines
* STD (bacterial vaginosis/BV & chlamydia & genital warts & gonorrhea & herpes & HIV & syphilis & trichomoniasis) screening & treatment
* pregnancy tests
* emergency contraception
* education on birth control & cancer screening & emergency contraception & HIV & HPV/hepatitis vaccines & pregnancy options & STDs & fertility awareness
* checkups when reproductive/sexual health problems present themselves
* cervical cancer screening
* colposcopies
* testing & treatment of UTIs & vaginal infections
* pregnancy services: prenatal services & childbirth classes & postpartum exams
* miscarriage education & counseling
* yearly physical exams (including Paps & breast exams)
* menopause & midlife services
* mammogram referrals
* infertility testing & treatment
* hormone replacement therapy
* incontinence treatment
* follow-up & treatment for abnormal Pap tests
Please name the pro-life organizations that provide all of the above in as many locations as PP and at low or no cost to qualified patients. I'll wait while you compile the list.

reply from: joueravecfous

And while you're on your quest for some actual facts, here are two more questions:
1. How many of the nationwide PP clinics perform abortions?
(hint: it's small.)
2. How many of the estimated annual number of total abortions does PP provide?
(hint: nearly a million are being done elsewhere.)
Seems you're mad at the wrong people.

reply from: LexIcon

That "fraction" is sizeable. From http://www.all.org/article.php?id=10123
">http://www.all.org/article.php?id=10123
2006 Planned Parenthood service numbers
Number of abortions (medical and surgical): 289,750
Total number of abortions per week: 5,572
Adoption referrals: 2,410
Ratio of adoption referrals to abortions: 1 per 120
So, I gather that you DON'T want Planned Parenthood to get out of the abortion business.
You should also realize that pro-life organizations are doing everything in their power, with their limited resources, to address the maternal health concerns of women. That is, unlike PP, they DON'T get hundreds of millions of dollars from the Federal Gov. to support their efforts. Even so, here are a few for you to hold in regal contempt because they don't offer ALL of the non-abortion related services that PP clinics MIGHT offer.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://www.care-net.org/aboutus/&usg=AFQjCNFF4mNayxFC33Z-m9zxN1fjBjIKAA
Care Net and our network of more than 1,100 pregnancy centers offer hope to women facing unplanned pregnancies by providing practical help and emotional support. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1590444,00.html Free pregnancy tests, ultrasounds, abortion information, parenting classes, and material assistance are just some of the many services offered that empower women to choose life. As an umbrella organization, Care Net seeks to promote, prepare, and plant pregnancy centers across North America.
http://www.heartbeatinternational.org/
Heartbeat International® is the first network of pro-life pregnancy resource centers in the U.S. and the most expansive in the world. Since 1971, Heartbeat has supported, strengthened and started more than 1,500 pregnancy centers. Currently, Heartbeat serves over 1,100 affiliates in in nearly 50 countries to provide alternatives to abortion.
http://www.birthright.org/htmpages/about.htm
Birthright began in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, in 1968, when Louise Summerhill, a busy housewife and mother of seven children, felt something should be done to help women through an unplanned pregnancy. The grassroots response to her idea was overwhelming, and the Toronto chapter quickly grew into Birthright International, the world's first international crisis pregnancy service. In 2003, Birthright International celebrated its 35th anniversary with over 400 chapters worldwide, including Canada, the United States, and others in South Africa, Ghana, Nigeria, and Colombia. Birthright is a fully independent organization, not affiliated with any church or public agency. Its name and logo are trademarks. An estimated 28,000 women make their first visit to a Birthright chapter every month. Birthright also operates a 24-hour North American hotline, at 1-800-550-4900.

reply from: LexIcon

How many tentacles does an octopus have?
Seems your moral compass is completely out of whack.

reply from: QueenJ

No. Obviously I don't want Planned Parenthood to stop providing abortions. After all, I'm pro-choice.

Why don't they get help from the government?
Of the 19 (a very conservative calculation) non-abortion services that Planned Parenthood offers, your pro-life organizations offer 1 & 1/4 (a very generous calculation). So, again I ask you:
WHERE ARE LOW/NO-INCOME WOMEN SUPPOSED TO GO TO GET THEIR HEALTH-CARE?
(if they aren't allowed to go to Planned Parenthood because they also offer abortions or if you succeed in your goal of shutting down Planned Parenthood altogether)

reply from: LexIcon

CPCs have been getting funds from the states and feds. It's nothing on the order of funding that PP receives, but even a dime of support is too much for certain "choicers." When I searched the question of how much federal support crisis pregnancy centers receive, http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GZAZ_enUS363US363&q=Are+crisis+pregnancy+centers+receiving+federal+support%3f
I wouldn't mind if women went to Planned Parenthood to get their health care, provided that PP didn't provide abortions or abortifacient birth control. The irony is that as despicable as Margaret Sanger's eugenic ideas were, she still had enough sense to reject abortion as a form of birth control, unlike her heirs in the biz.

reply from: LexIcon

So, you support the idea that a woman should be able to have her viable and healthy unborn baby killed by abortion one minute before it would otherwise have been born, and that such a choice should be made without apology or shame.
If this is so, then your utter ruthlessness is admirable for its purity, but I wonder if you would actually do such a thing to your own baby, say, on a dare, or just for the hell of it.

reply from: QueenJ

Yes and yes.
So many women who are 40 weeks, 8 days, 5 hours, and 14 minutes pregnant want to get abortions and they can't. So many women have gone through almost a year of pregnancy, observed their abdomens protruding further and further each day, have felt the unmistakable movements of their fetuses, and at the very last, possible moment say to themselves, "Oh snap! A baby is going to come out of me? Oh, hell no!," then waddle as fast as they can to their nearest abortion provider. I see them every day by the THOUSANDS in lines winding around several city blocks.
They either have been too stupid and/or clueless to recognize the obvious signs and symptoms of pregnancy for ten months or have known they were pregnant and then decided to stay pregnant in order to be able to do a one-eighty moments before going into active labor (because women can predict when their labor will begin and whether the contractions they are experiencing are Braxton-Hicks or the real deal and therefore can plan to abort their healthy, viable fetuses accordingly). Why go through the presumably most difficult, complicated, and lengthy of abortion procedures rather than allow their bodies to go through the process of naturally expelling their children from their bodies?
Well, it depends. Usually, it's because they don't want to miss hair and/or nail appointments at the salon or they need to go tanning and shopping. Many times it's because that ten months hasn't been long enough for them to fully realize that they will become mothers and either have to parent a child or relinquish a child to an adoptive family. Again, this is sometimes due to stupidity. Sometimes because the labor and delivery would conflict with previously scheduled appointments at the nail/hair salon. And then sometimes women just love to endure months of pregnancy for the specific purpose of aborting at the last possible second before labor begins (which we've established they already have the psychic abilities to predict). Different strokes for different folks, amirite?
Wow. This is eerie. It's like you're inside my head reading my thoughts! Why, just the other day, in fact, I was so bored that I decided to get my tonsils removed. Just for the fun of it! And today, my best friend triple-dog-dared me to get an appendectomy and I was all like, "Heck yeah!"
It's my life's mission to get as many surgical procedures as possible! Who wouldn't? I personally can't get enough of being anesthetized, having strangers poke and prod me with surgical instruments, being in pain, experiencing discomfort, and having to refrain from performing my usual, daily activities for days in order for my body to heal properly! It's just SO much fun. I recommend it to anyone and everyone.

reply from: LexIcon

Yes and yes.
So many women who are 40 weeks, 8 days, 5 hours, and 14 minutes pregnant want to get abortions and they can't. So many women have gone through almost a year of pregnancy, observed their abdomens protruding further and further each day, have felt the unmistakable movements of their fetuses, and at the very last, possible moment say to themselves, "Oh snap! A baby is going to come out of me? Oh, hell no!," then waddle as fast as they can to their nearest abortion provider. I see them every day by the THOUSANDS in lines winding around several city blocks.
They either have been too stupid and/or clueless to recognize the obvious signs and symptoms of pregnancy for ten months or have known they were pregnant and then decided to stay pregnant in order to be able to do a one-eighty moments before going into active labor (because women can predict when their labor will begin and whether the contractions they are experiencing are Braxton-Hicks or the real deal and therefore can plan to abort their healthy, viable fetuses accordingly). Why go through the presumably most difficult, complicated, and lengthy of abortion procedures rather than allow their bodies to go through the process of naturally expelling their children from their bodies?
Well, it depends. Usually, it's because they don't want to miss hair and/or nail appointments at the salon or they need to go tanning and shopping. Many times it's because that ten months hasn't been long enough for them to fully realize that they will become mothers and either have to parent a child or relinquish a child to an adoptive family. Again, this is sometimes due to stupidity. Sometimes because the labor and delivery would conflict with previously scheduled appointments at the nail/hair salon. And then sometimes women just love to endure months of pregnancy for the specific purpose of aborting at the last possible second before labor begins (which we've established they already have the psychic abilities to predict). Different strokes for different folks, amirite?
Wow. This is eerie. It's like you're inside my head reading my thoughts! Why, just the other day, in fact, I was so bored that I decided to get my tonsils removed. Just for the fun of it! And today, my best friend triple-dog-dared me to get an appendectomy and I was all like, "Heck yeah!"
It's my life's mission to get as many surgical procedures as possible! Who wouldn't? I personally can't get enough of being anesthetized, having strangers poke and prod me with surgical instruments, being in pain, experiencing discomfort, and having to refrain from performing my usual, daily activities for days in order for my body to heal properly! It's just SO much fun. I recommend it to anyone and everyone.
Queen "Off With Their Heads" J,
You are one twisted sister!

reply from: Ana

I think she's pointing out the falacy in your argument. And she actually did a pretty good job of it too. Pro lifers need to quit focasing so much on PP, as abortions aren't what they focus on (which makes it interesting that some of us, it's ALL that gets focused on).
Late term abortions are almost never done for convenience, and are frequently done as the result of a very wanted pregnancy that has gone horribly wrong. While we can argue the justification of aborting or carrying to term a sick or dying infant, it is wrong to pretend that the mom just woke up one morning and decided to abort at 30 weeks because she had nothing to do that weekend.

reply from: Banned Member

Haven't we already (ad nauseam) established that there are unsavory and uncouth people on BOTH sides of the debate and that you can't judge an entire movement based on the actions of a few who happen to be misinformed, misguided, and/or crazy and/or vile human beings?
Do I have to air all the pro-life movement's dirty laundry or can we agree on the above?
Actually, I am all in favor of airing the "dirty laundry" of pro-lifers. Let them answer for their indiscretions, but I sincerely doubt that Justice Ginsburg would agree with your characterizations. Of course, the problem with Ginsburg is that she just happens to be a U.S. Supreme Court Justice, whose "misinformed, misguided, and/or crazy and/or vile" ideas will surely determine how she will decide what is or is not constitutional and LEGALLY BINDING on the rest of us.
Touche'.

reply from: LexIcon

What fallacy in what argument? I wanted to know exactly what Her Majesty the Queen meant by posting, "Until every woman, everywhere is able to easily access safe, legal, private, affordable abortions, for whatever reason, at any time, on demand, without interference from outside parties and most importantly - without apology or shame."
Please notice that Her Majesty The Queen doesn't qualify her remark in the slightest, and when I called her to account for it by posing a hypothetical, she escaped into sarcasm and cynicism, never once addressing the question of when IF EVER in her moral universe (or yours, for that matter) the state may decide that for the sake of SAVING the healthy and viable baby's very LIFE, the mother's supposed RIGHT to terminate her pregnancy "-for whatever reason, at any time, on demand, without interference from outside parties and most importantly - without apology or shame"- does not necessarily include an implicit RIGHT to have her baby put to death.
Do you grasp what I am trying to say here?

reply from: LexIcon

Haven't we already (ad nauseam) established that there are unsavory and uncouth people on BOTH sides of the debate and that you can't judge an entire movement based on the actions of a few who happen to be misinformed, misguided, and/or crazy and/or vile human beings?
Do I have to air all the pro-life movement's dirty laundry or can we agree on the above?
Actually, I am all in favor of airing the "dirty laundry" of pro-lifers. Let them answer for their indiscretions, but I sincerely doubt that Justice Ginsburg would agree with your characterizations. Of course, the problem with Ginsburg is that she just happens to be a U.S. Supreme Court Justice, whose "misinformed, misguided, and/or crazy and/or vile" ideas will surely determine how she will decide what is or is not constitutional and LEGALLY BINDING on the rest of us.
Touche'.
Je vous remercie beaucoup. (No, I don't know French. I was just looking for a snazzy rejoinder.)

reply from: QueenJ

You posed a ridiculous question. I responded with equal amounts of ridiculousness. Tit for tat.
My position is based on the fact that I trust in women to make the right choices regarding pregnancy and all other matters reproductive. Additionally, I trust in the doctors of these women to make medically sound decisions regarding their patients. Abortion is a personal and medical issue. It, therefore, should be left in the quite capable hands of women and the doctors who care for them.

reply from: LexIcon

You posed a ridiculous question. I responded with equal amounts of ridiculousness. Tit for tat.
My position is based on the fact that I trust in women to make the right choices regarding pregnancy and all other matters reproductive. Additionally, I trust in the doctors of these women to make medically sound decisions regarding their patients. Abortion is a personal and medical issue. It, therefore, should be left in the quite capable hands of women and the doctors who care for them.
I simply took you at your word, as absolutely ridiculous as it is, Your Highness.


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