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by: faithman

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reply from: sweet

yipeeeee!
i am teary eyed...just to think of the babies that will live because of this...they called this slaughter house a 'healthcare' clinic...*shakes head*

reply from: saucie

Those bums think they can get away with anything....what a shock it must have been to learn they actually have to pay for things other than cars, trips, homes on the bloodly backs of dead children.

reply from: faithman

This is the real reason behind Obamacare. The abortion industry is collapsing financially. If the criminal elect doesn't deliver on his campain promise to them, many more clinics will close. The house of abortion cards is about to tumble. This is just one more down before that day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And what a glorious day it will be.

reply from: faithman

AAAAAHHHHH once again monkey dung breath twist words into something that was never said. But blather on punk. We all know what you are.

reply from: MC3

ConcernedParent:
When a football team moves the ball down the field and makes a first down, that does not add one point to their score nor does it assure them of the win. But ask any coach and they will tell you that games are won by moving the ball down the field and making first downs.
You advised us to "Do the math." No problem. When I started Life Dynamics in 1992, we generated a list of all the abortion death camps in America. At that time there were slightly more than 2100. Today, there are around 750. If you cannot see the value in that and how much it weakens the abortion lobby, then you are not much of a strategic thinker. You can be assured that NARAL, NAF, Planned Parenthood and all their fellow travelers certainly understand that concept. They've "done the math" and seen that, during that same time period, the number of abortions in this country went from more than 1.7 million per year to just over one million and the public support for abortion plummeted.
So have we won yet? No. Have we moved the ball down the field? Absolutely - and even our enemies are conceding it.
You also made the statement that, "The same guys who jump up every once in a while to exclaim that we have them on the run also occasionally go on a rant about how no progress has been made in over 3 decades." I assume that your criticism is directed toward me as I have, more or less, done what you described on many occasions. What you are conveniently leaving out, however, is that my observation about the lack of progress was only referring to the political arena. I have often pointed out that all we have really accomplished in the legislative process is to regulate the circumstances under which the unborn can be slaughtered. We have passed parental involvement legislation, waiting periods, informed consent, clinic regulations, etc, but we have not passed one law yet that returns the right-to-life to one baby in one state. The reality is, on the day Roe was handed down every baby conceived in America became legally "abortable" and that is still their status today.
You know, we have had to endure your relentless attacks on pro-lifers and your criticisms of our efforts. Yet we have no evidence of you ever doing anything whatsoever to stop this holocaust. If you think that what the pro-lifers in Pensacola accomplished was meaningless, that's fine. Maybe you're right and, if so, maybe it's time for you to come down out of the stands, get in the game and show us how to do things better. But as it stands now, you're not a leader or a follower; you're just a whiner. And until that changes, you have not earned the right to criticize anything anyone else does or minimize anything they achieve.
In the final analysis, you are the very embodiment of something Theodore Roosevelt once said: "It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."

reply from: Banned Member

I would ask you, how does the presense of Planned Parenthoods across America correspond to where they are most perceived to be needed verses where they can simply perform the greatest number of abortions?

reply from: MC3

Once again, joueravecfou displays his boundless idiocy.
If this were a viable business, the owners would have negotiated with the state for a reduced penalty and gone on about their business. That is how administrative issues like this are handled and they are commonly resolved for pennies on the dollar or discharged. In fact, in this case the state had already made it clear they were willing to negotiate. And this is EXACTLY what would have happened had it not been for the many years of pressure put on by the local pro-life community.
The fact is, either this was not a profitable operation because of a lack of customers or it was profitable but the income was not enough to offset the stress of continuing. Whichever is true, it is absurd to suggest that the efforts of the pro-life movement were not a factor.
Isn't it interesting how these moral degenerates who defend abortion constantly whine about how pro-lifers conspire to make it impossible to operate a "perfectly legal women's center," but every time one of these alleged conspiracies succeeds they suddenly claim that the pro-life effort had nothing to do with it.

reply from: Shenanigans

I view the closure of abortion clinics not so much as "yay, think of all those children that will be saved", but rather, as a message to society as a whole that for whatever purpose, be it finanical, lack of demand or legalities, an abortion clinic has closed. While I'm sure some children will be spared, as their mother may view at as a sign, most businesses give warnings of imminent closures, so chances are women who were heading to that clinic will either have made alternative arrangments or have had the deed done before.
But then its a number's game, in 1992, those 2,100 clinics performed 1,359,145 abortions. So, in 2004, 839,226 abortions were reported, so if we generously say that there were 750 clinics in 2004 then in 1992 those clinics on average performed 647 abortions each, but in 2004 it was 1,119 each.
Supply and demand, the remaining clinics will pick up the slack and make a stink load more money for it.

reply from: churchmouse

And many of us have sat by and watch good people on here get verbally abused by those who claim they are pro-life and Christian. You do nothing.
In concernedparents defense......he has done nothing even remotely close to the verbal abuse that your pals on this forum do when they badmouth and tear apart people they disagree with all in the name of Christianity.
Matthew 5:43-48 43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shall love thy neighbor, and hate your enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. (KJV)
And how many Christians do this on this forum? Love your enemies. How many in Faithmans hate group do this one? It is easy to love those who are nice to us. But it is much harder to love those who are mean and nasty and call names. Nevertheless we are commanded to do it. Calling names and bashing someone verbally is wrong. You condone and allow both and then point the finger at ConcernedParent.
The Bible says "a soft answer turns away wrath." (Prov. 15:1) I have to constantly remind myself of this one. Maybe it would help you too.

reply from: nancyu

And many of us have sat by and watch good people on here get verbally abused by those who claim they are pro-life and Christian. You do nothing.
In concernedparents defense......he has done nothing even remotely close to the verbal abuse that your pals on this forum do when they badmouth and tear apart people they disagree with all in the name of Christianity.
Matthew 5:43-48 43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shall love thy neighbor, and hate your enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. (KJV)
And how many Christians do this on this forum? Love your enemies. How many in Faithmans hate group do this one? It is easy to love those who are nice to us. But it is much harder to love those who are mean and nasty and call names. Nevertheless we are commanded to do it. Calling names and bashing someone verbally is wrong. You condone and allow both and then point the finger at ConcernedParent.
The Bible says "a soft answer turns away wrath." (Prov. 15:1) I have to constantly remind myself of this one. Maybe it would help you too.
Churchmouse, I truly think you are a troubled soul. I pray for you -- In the name of the Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. Amen.
and anxiously look forward to the day that you begin to "practice what you preach."

reply from: broken

After back to back hurricanes Dennis, Ivan, Katrina and others have devastated Pensacola all glory to the Creator for His judgment of a town that has killed the righteous and protected the guilty. May He answers the prayers of the ones who continue to condemn the city and the death houses for their crimes and murders. He is doing the same across the nation. Take a look around at all He has done since 2001. This nation is being destroyed from within through His working. All honor to Him. He is just.

reply from: broken

As His prophets were considered who pronounced His judgments in His Word. Thank you for pointing it out. His Son was accused of having a demon. Very kind of you to say.

reply from: Banned Member

News flash... MC3 knocks the snot out of CP.. CP throws conniption fit.. Stay tuned for further updates..

reply from: MC3

ConcernedParent:
You stated that I had deleted some of your posts. You are a bald-faced liar. Let me make this perfectly clear so that you, and whoever might defend you, understands. WE HAVE NEVER DELETED A POST THAT YOU MADE. NEVER. NOT ONCE.
Second, I will reluctantly grant your request to be banned but it cannot happen until Monday. I ask for your patience.
Third, I have never once "...implied that the political arena is more important...." To the contrary, for years I have consistently said that I have almost no confidence in the "political arena" to resolve this issue.
Third, as you stated, I did indeed "...declare that voting for a pro-choice candidate excludes one from being "pro-life." I said that, and stand behind it, because it is true. And again, your suggestion that "our ensuing discussion has disappeared from the forum..." is a bald-faced lie.
Fourth, when I pointed out that your had relentlessly attacked pro-lifers on the forum, you called me hypocritical because I had attacked you. The problem is, that would not make me a hypocrite unless you are pro-life which we all know is not the case.
Fifth, I advised that, "...maybe it's time for you to come down out of the stands, get in the game and show us how to do things better." You responded that you didn't do so because, "... it's been tried, not just by me, but by others as well. You guys are just too self righteous and stubborn to listen. Do you honestly expect anyone to believe you are open to differing opinions or methods? Many of us have seen you reject, out of hand, literally any notion that veers from your narrow, self righteous views of how things should be."
For the sake of discussion, let's concede that what you are saying is true. The question is: SO WHAT? I didn't advise you to come down out of the stands and work with us or change us or try to improve what we are doing. Whether me and the other pro-lifers you so gleefully attack are stubborn, or self-righteous, or closed-minded has absolutely no bearing on what you can do. We don't own the movement and we have no way to keep you out even if we wanted to. The fact is, if we are as bad as you say, that is even MORE reason for you to get in the game.
When I committed to work full-time in the pro-life movement, I did so because during my years as a "weekend warrior" I saw a lot of things being done that I found to be either worthless or counterproductive. I also saw people involved who I thought were all the things you accuse me of being. And in some cases it was true. But the difference between you and me is that I did not use that as some lame excuse to sit in the stands and just throw rocks at those who were down on the field getting their asses kicked.
By the way, there are still people in this movement who I see as stubborn, self-righteous and closed-minded running organizations that are doing things I find to be either worthless or counterproductive. But they are in the game and you won't hear me attacking them in public. Right or wrong, unlike you, they at least have the courage to walk on the battlefield and face the enemy.
Again, go back to my previous post and read the Roosevelt quote.
As for your question, "Who died and made you God?" the answer is no one. In fact, I believe that job is already taken. However, I do not have to be God in order to tell you that you have not earned the right to criticize what those who are actually in the battle are doing.
Finally, your suggestion that I consider myself above criticism or perhaps too thin-skinned to accept it, would be laughable if it were not so preposterous. The battles over slavery and abortion are the two most vicious and contentious confrontations in American history and any man or woman who can't deal with criticism would not have lasted 10 minutes in either one.

reply from: saucie

This goes on all the time!
CP has been owned so many times by Mark it's getting almost to the point of CP warranting a little pity....nah...scratch that...no pity for that pompous ass.

reply from: saucie

Did I just read that CP is gong to get banned on Monday!
Oh happy day!....
How nice of Mark to fulfill the PA's (Pompous Ass) request and give the forum some more room, his posts were only a little less long than his love for himself.

reply from: saucie

ROFLMAO!
You got OWNED AGAIN!!
You're too funny!
And you didn't even warrant another reply!!

reply from: saucie

And many of us have sat by and watch good people on here get verbally abused by those who claim they are pro-life and Christian. You do nothing.
In concernedparents defense......he has done nothing even remotely close to the verbal abuse that your pals on this forum do when they badmouth and tear apart people they disagree with all in the name of Christianity.
Matthew 5:43-48 43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shall love thy neighbor, and hate your enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. (KJV)
And how many Christians do this on this forum? Love your enemies. How many in Faithmans hate group do this one? It is easy to love those who are nice to us. But it is much harder to love those who are mean and nasty and call names. Nevertheless we are commanded to do it. Calling names and bashing someone verbally is wrong. You condone and allow both and then point the finger at ConcernedParent.
The Bible says "a soft answer turns away wrath." (Prov. 15:1) I have to constantly remind myself of this one. Maybe it would help you too.
You know, your constant finger pointing has taken away whatever credit you once earned.
You quote prov. 15:1 after lecturering us all on how we should behave.
Do you not at all see what you're doing???
There are Scriptures concerning the blind...I think you should look those up and do a little study.
I don't know who suddenly has made you some kind of forum Christian finger pointer outer while you're pointing your fingers (which are starting to look kind of scraggly and crooked), but that little voice is lying to you.
"Maybe that would help you" to know.
And in the meantime, nearly 4,000 children faced a gruesome death and you're busy lecturering us like you're some kind of forum mommy....we don't need your help, but the babies do!

reply from: saucie

ROFLMAO
If you believed one single word you typed you'd have stayed away today!
You're the attention whore...sheesh...you think because a few pro-baby killers side with you that the rest of don't see what an idiot you are!!
You're just too funny. Really.

reply from: Banned Member

Who is this we? Do you have a turd in your pocket?

reply from: MC3

ConcernedParent:
Obviously, the above 2007 post does not conflict with anything I said earlier. The fact remains that not once have the arguments between you and me resulted in one of your posts being either altered or deleted.
Of course, given your request to be banned and my willingness to abide by that request, this whole thing will be put to rest come Monday. The sad part is that we will never get to hear you explain why you are so quick to criticize and judge those in the pro-life movement but so unwilling to do anything yourself. As I said, there are people and organizations in the movement doing things that I feel have questionable value and others doing things I think actually set us back. However, I like what they are doing better than what you are not doing.
In the final analysis, what people like you always seek is an environment in which those who do nothing more than rock the boat are afforded the same respect as those who row it. And whether you want to hear it or not, the reality is that every problem you encountered while you were here revolved around the fact that this is not such a place.

reply from: Banned Member

CP.. you are without a doubt, a willful troublemaker, a humorless self righteous bore, fundamentally tactless and very unlikable. (Did you notice that I did not call you an idiot as you recently labeled me?) The fact that no one will miss you here when you are gone, speak volumes. You have been here over three years and I can't find one pro-lifer that calls you friend. If that is of no concern to you, then that in itself is the proof and the cause of your loneliness. Analyze that Einstein. I can't help but wonder about how hard it is for you to have friends in real life. I can't help but to feel empathetic sadness. Honest to goodness.
Signed: An idiot with original ideas and many friends.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

What is concernedparent doing still hanging around? Didn't he vote for the communist during the last Presidential election. Besides voting to destroy capitalism and freedom, concernedparent clearly voted for the baby-killing team. Since he is useless in the struggle against the people killers, what's he doing here?

reply from: MC3

ConcernedParent's request has been carried out.

reply from: saucie

The only time he was worth taking seriosuly.

reply from: churchmouse

Yes that is why YOU spend so much time on this forum right? You are out on the battlefields helping the unborn.
You have no idea what I do for this cause so don't even go there. I work at Right to Life in Arizona, work with Silent No More and volunteer at the local Crisis Pregnancy Center when I can. Every few Sundays I pray in front of a PP clinic in Phoenix.
So let me get this straight. You are bashing me for making suggestions and speaking my mind, and I shouldnt do this. But you do it in every post. LOL
What I see on this forum are haters from the pro-life side who claim they are Christian. I have every right to share my opinion. I do not call people names or bash them, but I call them out on what I think is wrong behavior.
Saucie just curious.......what do you do for the pro-life cause besides bash people on here?
I have had my arguments with CP...but I have never seen him act the way most in this pious group of pro-life haters act on here. CP stirred things up in many ways by asking difficult questions that some people did not want to address. He did it however calmly and with more class then most on here. We dissagrees on almost everything but I liked him here.
Does he deserve to be banned, really? Not IMO, not even if he requests it. And if MC3 goes through with it, it only shows that the clique got what it wanted total control. They want free speech on here ONLY if everyone agrees with their idea of what pro-life means in THEIR EYES. And the ideal here is.......an extreme......that you cant be pro-life if you have had an abortion yourself, and you think that the guy who shot Tiller was wrong. And if you dont jump on the hate bashing bandwagon you arent a Christian. Oh and you cant quote scripture because then your a right wing fundie Jesus Freak. False Christians on here dont like all scriptures they only quote those that convict others and they think they are above being wrong. And forget the one about loving even your enemy.......they hate that one and wont even touch it. They love to hate, to demean people.
I will miss CP even though we battled back and forth especially about Christianity. He was always civil. The thing is Leftsnemesis......how can you speak for all of us?
To say he had no friends.......what kind of a statement is that?
I would rather have CP as a friend than Faithman and Nancy any day of the week. And what do you know really? You joined in October and have 76 posts. LMAO
Oh you have been around to see how CP has acted alright.
Oh how boring it will be to see people who want clones of themselves. Thanks MC3. You really surprised me. Your work in the pro-life community is amazing and I treasure the book you gave me at a pro-life conference in Scottsdale a few years ago......but you really disapoint me on here as far as the way you run this forum.

reply from: Banned Member

Saucie networks with me and about 200 other people elsewhere online. This isn't the only pro-life online outlet for people on the internet.
As for MC3, I think that his patience level had long ago been broken by some that have been banned. It wasn't enough that people took shots at pro-lifers when there was a pro-life man in the White House, but some were not content without gloating when their pro-abortion candiate was elected. It was certainly unacceptable that some wanted to expose the identities of those that are pro-life, mock their religious views, their sex lives and make obsene remarks. I find that the absense of the bomb throwers and others who were more than happy to through matches into piles of dry leaves makes this forum productive for sharing pro-life views. I know my anger level is better today clicking on a forum that does not include these individuals. I even found a post here that allowed me to find some interesting new material, without someone making sexual jokes about me, thanks.
I won't miss CP one bit. I hope that he works out his obvious confusion. He's a man driven by more than ideological principles. He's driven by a hatred of anything he considers extreme. He arrived at the "I don't like abortion but there is nothing I can do about it" zone. A very morally dangerous place to be.
I haven't missed Spin and Vex either. It's one thing to engage the enemy and even have vigorous debates. But some have taken that to extremes. I know that such people have driven me to make posts I would never make elsewhere. But when I make a respectful post about abortion and the pro-life movement and the only response someone has is, "you need to just get laid" or "so says the guy who isn't getting any sex", I think that kind of infantile mentality has no place here.

reply from: Banned Member

CP, I don't care if you can respond to my posts or not. I don't care if you read them or not. I don't care what you do with yourself, or your time. As the parent of a teenage daughter, I would think that you could make better use of your time. Go teach your daughter some values, so that in case she makes a mistake, she won't have to get punished with a baby. Or, you could just give her the number and address of Curtis Boyd, abortion doctor, late term or otherwise. Maybe someday you and Barack will get to share stories about the time you didn't spend with your grandchildren.

reply from: saucie

Naturally you two vile creatures would go where you're not wanted, you probably barge into people's living rooms, heaven knows you'd never be invited.
It is too bad it's so easy to get back on the forum, but us humans have learned to deal with the invasion of slime masquerading as people coming back.
It's the very idea that you would get banned and that you would come back again anyway only speaks of your lousy self esteem and lack of manners.
No doubt your parents screwed you two up, they were probably dropped on their heads and thought that's how children should be raised and obviously continued the practice.

reply from: saucie

Spoken like the screwed up pompous ass you live your life as...
You have the collasal nerve to say anyone here is self righteous, did you say that before or after your self love fest?
Face it....nothing but slime cares a rats hairy ass what you think and what you write and it galls you to no end!
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!

reply from: saucie

All the time.
I'm in your living room right now, in fact.
You have? Doesn't look like it to me.
Oh yeah, for sure. All that and a bag of crisps.
Yup, after I was born, my parents played football with me for a full hour.
What else you got, you haggard old jealous crone?
Love knowing I get under your creepy skin...don't worry I'll bath extra well tonight....the mere thought of getting close to a male like you requires it.

reply from: Banned Member

Saucie, it's a little crowded in here. Let's step around the corner and chat.

reply from: saucie

Yes that is why YOU spend so much time on this forum right? You are out on the battlefields helping the unborn.
You have no idea what I do for this cause so don't even go there. I work at Right to Life in Arizona, work with Silent No More and volunteer at the local Crisis Pregnancy Center when I can. Every few Sundays I pray in front of a PP clinic in Phoenix.
So let me get this straight. You are bashing me for making suggestions and speaking my mind, and I shouldnt do this. But you do it in every post. LOL
What I see on this forum are haters from the pro-life side who claim they are Christian. I have every right to share my opinion. I do not call people names or bash them, but I call them out on what I think is wrong behavior.
Saucie just curious.......what do you do for the pro-life cause besides bash people on here?
I have had my arguments with CP...but I have never seen him act the way most in this pious group of pro-life haters act on here. CP stirred things up in many ways by asking difficult questions that some people did not want to address. He did it however calmly and with more class then most on here. We dissagrees on almost everything but I liked him here.
Does he deserve to be banned, really? Not IMO, not even if he requests it. And if MC3 goes through with it, it only shows that the clique got what it wanted total control. They want free speech on here ONLY if everyone agrees with their idea of what pro-life means in THEIR EYES. And the ideal here is.......an extreme......that you cant be pro-life if you have had an abortion yourself, and you think that the guy who shot Tiller was wrong. And if you dont jump on the hate bashing bandwagon you arent a Christian. Oh and you cant quote scripture because then your a right wing fundie Jesus Freak. False Christians on here dont like all scriptures they only quote those that convict others and they think they are above being wrong. And forget the one about loving even your enemy.......they hate that one and wont even touch it. They love to hate, to demean people.
I will miss CP even though we battled back and forth especially about Christianity. He was always civil. The thing is Leftsnemesis......how can you speak for all of us?
To say he had no friends.......what kind of a statement is that?
I would rather have CP as a friend than Faithman and Nancy any day of the week. And what do you know really? You joined in October and have 76 posts. LMAO
Oh you have been around to see how CP has acted alright.
Oh how boring it will be to see people who want clones of themselves. Thanks MC3. You really surprised me. Your work in the pro-life community is amazing and I treasure the book you gave me at a pro-life conference in Scottsdale a few years ago......but you really disapoint me on here as far as the way you run this forum.
I have never acted pious on this forum and have never pretended I want to debate with monsters...I treat the proaborts with utter and complete contempt, you don't like it then don't read it.
I don't know what happend to you after we exchanged some very nice PM's, but something has.
You have become blinded to your own faults and have taken it on yourself to correct others in a very demeaning and rude way.
You might want to recall that the truth is suppose to be spoken in love.
You hardly are living up to that.
I'll give you a pass on the last part of your post, I'm Sander....had a computer glitch and had to re-register.
Btw, I'll be scrolling past your name from now on....if you come to your senses let me know in a PM...until then...have your self righteous, finger pointing sessions all by yourself.

reply from: saucie

Ok, good idea...see you there.

reply from: Shenanigans

Bumping to push away the filth.

reply from: churchmouse

But Augustine did CP do anything that really warranted being banned? As I said I got into many a battle with him, and I rarely ever agreed with him on anything, BUT you don't ban someone who obeyed the rules. And what is more important, you treat people equally as far as rules go. I have been coming here for a few years and the tables are not even and never were. There are people here who show extreme hatred towards those they oppose. Extreme in the sense that a few I think would resort to violence if they thought it would help the cause.
Hey people take pot shots at us wherever we go when we stand up for the unborn, especially Christ. They mocked Christ remember. Christ said they hated me and they will hate you. Does that mean we run and give up the cause, the fight? You love your enemy and keep them near just like Christ did.
Anyone can change even a person with the most hardened heart. To dismiss someone, to think their position can never change is wrong. I once killed my child, I once was a strong voice for pro-choice position. God changed my heart. He used a friend that did not run because I was so horrible. He used them to witness to me, to show me scripture that convicted me.
What if everyone ran?
I can't stand Obama. I pray at night that God take him to a place where his heart will change. I think he is an evil evil man on many levels, not only abortion. But I have to do what I can do and give the rest to God. He is in control and His Will, will be done. I might not understand why he got into office, why God would allow a man such as him in the White House, but he is there and we need to pray that his administration fails in their horrible policies. We should do what is right.
WEll I would also feel better Augustine if a few more people were banned here. You know the ones who mock Christ by the hatred they show others on here, both pro-life and pro-choice. But nothin ever is done to them and they continue to lurk around here bashing and demeaning people in the name of God and the pro-life cause.
Although I believe vex should have been banned because he physically threatened more than one person on here, I wish I had talked differently to him. We also disagreed on issues, but my conduct was less than godly in what I said and I realized this to late. I believe what I said was right, but the way I did it was wrong and the few times I lost it and told him off.........I wish I could take those times back.
Come on Augustine.......WE All could make better use of our time couldn't we? Rather than getting on here daily for hours responding to people sharing views that long have gotten stale we could do more for the cause if we did it hands on.
What is the purpose of this forum?
And saucie said, "No doubt your parents screwed you two up, they were probably dropped on their heads and thought that's how children should be raised and obviously continued the practice."
Now here is what I am talking about. A person who only gets on here to hate, who shares no new information about pro-life causes and who does nothing hands on either. Hateful people allowed to get away with it, that is what this forum has become. Vile mouths who contaminate the forum with hatred.
Look at the previous statement I just posted from you. Parents screwed up? A child dropped on his head? The swearing the profane words you continually use now? All that is done in love?
What is your definition of love? Obviously not what mine is.
When I came back I noticed a lot of people who changed names. Don't understand why unless they wanted to make a new start but whatever....So your Sander.
You do what you have to do. And if you want to avoid my posts go ahead and run. You obviously dont like what I say, it just might convict you too.

Why have you become so hateful? Why do you now use filthy language. Not the Sander I remember thats for sure.

reply from: MC3

ChurchMouse:
First, your opinion that CP did not deserve to be banned is irrelevant in light of the fact that he asked to be banned. The fact is that the man published over 11,000 posts here - many of which viciously attacked me - but he was not banned until he requested it. Further, given that many posters have remained here for years while being openly pro-abortion, it is illogical to suggest that he was banned because I don't think he is pro-life.
Second, I would caution you against throwing the word "hate" around so casually. You are attaching yourself to a tactic that the Godless Left invented to promote political correctness. And if you want to see the inevitable results of political correctness, just look to what happened last week at Ft. Hood.
Third, your statement that CP was "always civil" is not reflective of the posts he made. In my own case, I can assure you that no one here has ever said the vile and dishonest things about me that CP did - and that includes those who are openly pro-abortion.
Fourth, if you are disappointed with the way I manage the forum, and if you truly believe that CP's loss will make it boring, WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE? Understand, I'm not trying to be disrespectful and I am certainly not telling you to leave. I'm simply bewildered at this ongoing phenomenon of people remaining on the forum year in and year out while being so critical about the way it operates. It's like someone who goes to the same restaurant time after time while constantly complaining about the food. Maybe I really am as stupid as CP says I am because I just don't get it.

reply from: churchmouse

But you wouldn't tell that to those whom you like and put up with here would you? As long as they agree with your actions your fine with it. They can bash people, say vile things, just because of their longevity, right? You do nothing about the hatred and the meanspirited things that nancy and faithman have said to people. Why?

You get mad because your bashed by CP and care nothing that carolemarie takes the same abuse on a daily basis. Are your feeling the only ones that matter here?
Was CP only banned because he asked or did he really break the rules? Break rules that others break as well.

And if you really payed attention to what I have said in the past, I have admitted how imperfect I am and very quickly when I am in error. I am not perfect in any way shape or form at least not like the proud here who claim to be Christian and mock the scriptures by bashing people verbally.
Do you know how hard it is Mark to share with people the fact that you killed a living human being? Do you know how hard it is emotionally to stand up to people who hurt you, make fun of you in every post because you had an abortion? No you dont. You might know a lot about abortion but not physically and mentally like one who has had one so dont even try to pretend on that level.
Carole comes here to make a difference and I do too. We want to reach women who have had abortions and we want them to know how great God really is because its never to late to change your heart and recieve His forgiveness. You allow and enable people to bash. And for what reasons?
I am sure he hurt your feelings but I thought with your clever way of putting things in print and your knowledge that you always had the upper hand. I thought you would have laughed at him and refused to ban him on principle. He needed to hear the truth no matter how long it took and you gave up on him. He is the one who won.
I love to read your blogs and I believe in your work thats why I come to Pro-life America. I dont have to agree with everything you say and do to like your work. I think you allow certain people to get away with murder. I think there is a double standard here. And I wonder that if you are a Christian why you do not go to bat for the Scriptures and what God commands us to do. Why do you allow certain people to be attacked?
I left for a period of time only because my father passed away. I was in no mood to get on and as a form of entertainment watch a forum out of control. I dont usually run with my tail between my legs when things dont go my way. If anything I will stay to support carole in Gods ministry and to be the imperfect Jesus Freak who posts scriptures that irriate the religious.
CP if anything forced me to be better at witnessing and a better apologist. He made statements at times that made me really think and delve into the Word and into other issues as well. ( America, the Constitution and our Founding fathers faith)
The cruel things he said were pale in comparison to Faithmans daily comments to those he wants to destroy.

Well there are a few people on here I really enjoy. Although I dissagree with some of Augustine takes on the scripture I admire him for one reason. He quotes the Word and will stand on it. I like to read CaroleMaries posts because I am always amazed at how she can keep her cool against the enemy. It is refreshing and encouraging. I know how she does it.....the Holy Sprirt gives her what she needs.
I will continue being me. I make mistakes and am not perfect. You want me gone you will have to get rid of me, I am not runnin.
Once in a while a topic comes up worth addressing. But any sane new person who wants to engage in a real civil discussion wont get it here anymore because you allow certain people to treat people like they are less than human.

reply from: MC3

ChurchMouse,
I cannot believe that I'm having to go over this again but here goes.
CP was not banned because he made me angry. People here routinely make me angry without getting banned.
CP was not banned because he bashed me. People bash me all the time without getting banned.
CP was not banned because he hurt my feelings. I'm just not that sensitive.
CP was not banned because he broke any rules. The fact is, I'm not aware of any rules he broke and I never once suggested that he did so.
CP was banned for one reason and one reason only: HE ASKED TO BE BANNED!
For the life of me, I cannot figure out why that is so hard to understand.

reply from: B0zo

This is not a fair comparison.
She's referring to comments like "killer scanc" and "whore" that are directed at a postabortive prolife activist here.
That's just one example of many other such hateful comments.
Do you think the word "hate" is not a fair way to describe such abuse?

reply from: churchmouse

I do get it Mark.
But it's your forum so you have the power to ban or not to ban.
Would you also kill someone that asked you to kill them because they didn't want to live anymore? Of course you wouldn't. And I do not think that CP wanted to be banned other than to make a point. And I believe he made it.
Those who are pro-choice are not the only enemy here. The post abortive woman is too. And on this forum if you speak against Faithman and groupies, crap hits the fan and it's an all out war.

IMO you allow this to happen which means you condone what is happening.
I really think thatCP was testing you by asking to be banned. You took away his chance of coming back at a later time. People change minds occasionally because they speak in haste.
You should have said...no I am not banning you, you did nothing wrong, if you want to leave, then leave. But we will be here to engage you in a pro-LIFE conversation anytime you want one.
To bad? REally? IMO you didn't want to hear what he had to say anymore and made it impossible for him to come back.
Whiner? Thats why he fit in so well here because everybody whines occassionally. And how do you know what anyone does for the cause on this forum? Do you do background checks on everyone? I disagreed with most everything CP said and stood for. But we live in America and right or wrong we have the right to criticize.
Let me ask you this Mark.
Faithman brags about his accomplishments and you have patted him on the back numerous times. What about the things other people have done on here. Carole has a ministry one that Faithman bashes. He and nancy have criticized what she does. ARe they wrong? You say CP had no right to criticize........then why not tell Faithman and group to shut up as well?
And causes are not one without patience and the fact that peoples hearts can be changed. We should never give up on anyone. Christ never gave up on me.
You might not have liked CPs stance on issues, but you gave up trying civily to change his mind.
You have got to be kidding? You had to endure what? Attacks you say?
Ask Carole what she has had to endure on YOUR forum. What has SHE had to go through because either you cant stand her and thinks she deserves what she has gotten and you agree with Faithman and groupies treatment of her or you secretly hate women who have aborted their children. Why do you allow this treatment to go on Mark?
What about the verbal holocaust that goes on here against those that dont fit the mold of what most here classify as pro-life?

reply from: Banned Member

In all honesty Churchmouse, which is more important to you? The vigorous defense of the unborn, or good manners?

reply from: cracrat

Yes Mark, political correctness caused that man to do what he did. Not decades of interminable interference in the internal politics of other sovereign nations for the sole benefit of, to all intents and purposes, an imperialistic aggressor with total and utter disregard for the life, liberty and wellbeing of the indigenous population. That couldn't possibly have had anything to do with it.

reply from: cracrat

No reason at all why we can't have both. They are not mutually exclusive.

reply from: Banned Member

Yes Mark, political correctness caused that man to do what he did. Not decades of interminable interference in the internal politics of other sovereign nations for the sole benefit of, to all intents and purposes, an imperialistic aggressor with total and utter disregard for the life, liberty and wellbeing of the indigenous population. That couldn't possibly have had anything to do with it.
When was the last time that you saw someone shooting into a crowd while reciting John 3:16?

reply from: cracrat

Yes Mark, political correctness caused that man to do what he did. Not decades of interminable interference in the internal politics of other sovereign nations for the sole benefit of, to all intents and purposes, an imperialistic aggressor with total and utter disregard for the life, liberty and wellbeing of the indigenous population. That couldn't possibly have had anything to do with it.
When was the last time that you saw someone shooting into a crowd while reciting John 3:16?
Fortunately I live in a country where not just any old idiot can have free access to pretty much whatever firearms they choose. Not so much shooting into crowds goes this side of the pond. Hell not so much shooting goes on at all (think 50 or so fatalities each year).
But I guess what you're driving at is some predisposition of Muslims to violence. I really can't be arsed to have this argument again with people who are completely blind to whatever they don't want to see, whatever doesn't reinforce their prejudices and whatever challenges their cosy world view that puts them at the top of the morality ladder and all those damn brown-skinned ragheads at the bottom with their vicious faith and yearning for murder.

reply from: MC3

ChurchMouse,
Are you serious? I mean are you actually equating killing someone to banning them from this forum?
As for your argument that CP was just trying to make a point and that I took away his chance to change his mind, that is nonsense. I agreed to his request on the weekend and stated that it couldn't be accomplished until Monday. In the interim, he had several posts discussing his pending banishment and never once did he indicate that he was just "testing me." In addition, I am not in the hand-holding business.
Then you implied that when I allow something to be posted on the forum that means I condone it. That too is nonsense.
You are correct, however, in saying that I did not want to hear him explain why he is so willing criticize those in the pro-life movement but so unwilling to do anything himself. It was a rhetorical question I had asked several times already and knew he could not answer.
Next you say he has a legitimate right to issue such criticism on the basis that he is an American. I stand by what I said. He may have the ABILITY to criticize, but as long as he's safe in the stands he has not earned the right to criticize what those who are actually in the fight are doing.
You also stated that, "Faithman brags about his accomplishments and you have patted him on the back numerous times." Can you direct me to just one instance in which this "back-patting" occurred?
You also brought up what Carol has had to endure at the hands of Faithman and asked why I don't do something about it.
Let me repeat what I just replied to another poster on a different thread.
From the beginning, I have made it clear that we would not resort to the kind of censorship found on other abortion forums. Instead, our policy has always been that the only posts we will not tolerate are those that (a) reveal personal identifying information about someone else, (b) contain a threat, (c) are being used for commercial purposes, or (d) include pornographic language or descriptions.
I agree that the some of the rhetoric Faithman uses, as well as that sometimes used by others, is indefensible. I will even concede that my own words are not always what they should be. In the heat of battle, I have certainly said intemperate things I now wish I could take back.
But if I start controlling what people can say on the basis that it is rude or hurtful or in poor taste, where do I draw the line? It is hard enough to be consistent and rational regarding the few rules we do have. I have had people contact me and say that they were threatened by so-and-so only to discover that so-and-so was honestly shocked to hear that what he said was taken as a threat. It's also true that language one person considers obscene can be easily dismissed by another person as no big deal.
So basically, even these decisions will always be subjective. For that reason, my attitude has become that, "Even though I can't necessarily define what constitutes a threat or an obscenity, I know one when I hear one. And when I hear one, it will be addressed."
However, what I will not do is try to dictate good manners. That is where I draw the line.
Finally, ChurchMouse, this morning you issued a pretty unflattering denunciation of me regarding my decision to ban some new posters who came onboard last night. It was on the thread in which Saucie was thanking me for cleaning up the forum. I responded to you but, since then, I have not heard anything from you about this subject. This is particularly odd given that you are the one who raised it.
In any event, I suspect that CP has moved on so I suggest we do the same.

reply from: Banned Member

Prior to September 11, 2001, I didn't have much exposure to Islam. I wasn't even sure what Muslims believed. A deeper exploration of my own faith starting in 2005 led me to a greater interest in religions. I have read the Quran extensively. I don't see the kind of explicit "hate" in Islam that manifests itself in acts of terrorism like 9/11 and the Fort Hood shooting. I do see that Islam has a history of violence particularly in the last 15-20 years that has affected my own country. The Islamo-terrorist is definately a component of Islam.
Yes, people have called themselves Christians who have shot abortion doctors, but they shot them because they were abortion doctors who killed unborn children. An irrational act? Yes. An illogical act? No. The Islamic terrorist kills "infidels" because they are non-Muslims. I don't know if that intolerance of non-Muslims faith is a component of the Quran. More dangerously I think that language of the Quran as I understand it is vague enough to make such killing of the "infidel" rational in the minds of the irrational. Are these people who kill crazy? Is Osama Bin Laden crazy? Is the Fort Hood shooter crazy? I believe they are not crazy. Do they properly understand their faith? I think not, but then I am not entirely sure.
I think that non-Christians have a good idea of what Christians are supposed to be. But no two people seem to agree on what proper Islam is supposed to manifest itself as. But when Muslims start with flying planes into skyscrapers and shooting into crowds proclaiming "Allahu Akbar", you can be certain that I am leary of Islam. All acts of violence by all religions in the past aside, in the right here and right now, Islam has the market cornered in violence commited in the name of religion. I would love to be tolerant but for the time being, the threats are too thick and the deaths too numerous for me to get all warm and fuzzy.
I am not a bigot or racist, but until Islam establishes some record of peaceful conduct and a more vigorous and vocal public denunciation of all violence committed in the name of violence, call me skeptical of Islam and Muslims. I continue to try to understand Islam, but the more I learn the more I conclude that there are two Islams, one seemingly peaceful, one violent and dangerous. Unfortunately, violent Muslims are patient, methodical, well thought in actions for effect and have a long memory. Threats and offenses, real and imagined are never forgotten in Islam. That makes the world very dangerous for non-Muslims in my own opinion.

reply from: MC3

By the way, Cracrat, our gun laws are irrelevant in the Ft. Hood situation. THE MAN WAS IN THE MILITARY! The sale of firearms to private citizens could have been completely illegal and this guy would still have been able to get exactly the kind of gun he used.
Try again.

reply from: Banned Member

Incorrect.
In the armed forces of other western nations, such as England, Australia and New Zealand, weapons are stored in the armouries and can only be signed out for authorised activity, such as exercises and weapons qualifications.
Not only that, live ammunition is never issued except for the tightly controlled weapons qualification tests and the event of deployment overseas into a hostile zone.
The reglations in the United States of America are incredibly similar; you will not be issued live ammunition for your rifle unless you are in a war zone or on the range for your annual weapon's qualification.
Lastly, Nidal Hasan used private, legally-bought pistol - not a military issue weapon.
So you are utterly and completely wrong.
Try again.

reply from: Banned Member

You most certainly are and have demonstrated it on innumerable occasions.

reply from: MC3

If you think a member of the U.S. military cannot get a pistol like the one used at Ft. Hood or ammunition for it, you are stark-raving nuts.
Additionally, I am fully aware that the gun used was purchased in a local gun store. The point was that, in this case, it did not have to be. This deal would have been possible even if the private sale of firearms was illegal. By the way, the gun used was not a rifle.

reply from: Banned Member

Clearly you know absolutely nothing about the regulations and safeguards in place in all military institutions.
Ammunition is stored under lock and key - as well as requiring paperwork and authorisation to issue. Military weapons, be they rifles or handguns are likewise controlled.
You seem to be under the impression that the USA military is some kind of cowboy outfit where piles of ammo sit around in unguarded, unlocked tin sheds and firearms can be casually grabbed at whim.
For some reason, I am not surprised that you think this.
I am aware the it was a pistol, I stated that in bold in my first post.

reply from: Banned Member

Bicker bicker bicker, pick pick pick, whine whine whine. Thanks for the headache. I would like to encourage everyone to forgive and forget and get a good nights sleep so that we can all wake up to be good and productive citizens tomorrow, with our spirits refreshed enough to continue the good fight against the abortioneers. Goodnight and sweet dreams to all.

reply from: churchmouse

Like cracrat said why can't we have both.
Maybe I used a bad example but I wanted to make the point that we don't always have to do what people ask us to do.
You own the forum and can set the standards and rules. Carole has been bashed for years. If you did not condone it you would have stopped it by now.
Right or wrong he has the right to state his mind in any form of criticism. So do you have the right to criticize a post abortive woman in any way because you have not had an abortion? Do you have a right to criticize what she does with her body if it does not have anything to do with abortion?
Good question. Do we have the right to criticize anyone if we have walked in their shoes? In that case we can't criticize anyone.
As far as pats on the back. I believe you at one time interviewed Faithman about his work and it was posted on this very site, am I right? I think you gave him pats on the back in the interview.
And the fact that you do nothing about his hateful behavior on here speaks volumes.
I am not talking about censoring material and content. I am talking about treating people in a humane way. It can be done. I have never seen you say one thing about toning hateful speech down, never.
But you had a lot to say about CPs behavior.
We all do it. I just find it sad that Christians do not stand up for other Christians who are being abused. Christ did not expect us to do it alone.
Why don't you stand up for her if you think the behavior against her is wrong? You post replies on here about other things........why not that?
What is wrong with banning foul language and attacks? Other sites do it without banning free speech as far as content. I am not talking about rude; I am talking about the kind of language Faithman uses. You know what I am talking about.
True but the language Faithman and others use is horrible. You know exactly the stuff I am talking about.
I would think that you as a Christian would go to bat for a fellow brother or sister in Christ. We are to put His Words before all others and that also pertains to the internet. There is no excuse for not standing on the Word.
If Jesus came to this site to be interviewed would you allow Faithman to interview him in the same way that he bashes Carolemarie?
If Jesus Christ said that Faithmans behavior was unchristian, would you allow Faithman to verbally abuse him?

Yea yea yea..........well would you tell a judge that she was a scanc if you stood in front of her in a court of law? Is scanc a proper term to use if you are a Christian to describe anyone, anywhere? You block out certain letters when someone swears on here.........why? Is +uck a bad word?
What thread was that? Maybe I did not bookmark it and forgot to go back.
And how do you know CP has moved on? Have we all been punked? LOL

reply from: faithman

Yes Mark, political correctness caused that man to do what he did. Not decades of interminable interference in the internal politics of other sovereign nations for the sole benefit of, to all intents and purposes, an imperialistic aggressor with total and utter disregard for the life, liberty and wellbeing of the indigenous population. That couldn't possibly have had anything to do with it.
The subject was America, not Great Brittan.

reply from: saucie

CM,
You bash one person in the process of asking for defense of another's bashing....
You're doing the exact same things you're accusing others of doing, and it has become down right vile in it's content and pharisaical in nature.

reply from: faithman

For everyone's info, I have had many posts deleted from this forum. Heck! I have had entire threads deleted. And by the by, I am not here to defend what I say. I am here to defend children from an unjust slaughter. I have not slandered anyone, as they are the ones who told us what they were. I just don't get why these pansy dopes want to take up the cause of someone who has admitted to killing 3, thinks whore close are cool, and has point blank stated that the womb child does not deserve the same status as a born child. Then the street walker wants to come right out and say that it would fight personhood for the womb child because it would mean future killer scancs would not get the same free walk she did. CM is not a "good pro-lifer". This issue is not a post abortive issue. It is about the right of a pre-born child to live. I have no intention of being nice to anyone who stands in the way of that goal.

reply from: sweet

i understand why you would call carol names...i would too if i didn't know that she is
1. no longer killing/supporting killing of babies
2. she has repented and sought forgiveness
3. now teaching against baby killing

reply from: DixieNormus

CP did not ask for any of his posts to be deleted. MC3 declared that none of his posts had "EVER" been deleted from the forum. CP provided proof that this was not so. The post proving this was also deleted from the forum.
MC3 claimed that CP is not prolife. Since CP opposes legal abortion on demand, this is obviously not true according to accepted definitions for "prolife." CP requested clarification of MC3's definition for "prolife," but received none. CP showed that, according to the standards of some prolifers on this forum, McCain is also "not prolife," so according to the standards by which CP was declared not to be "prolife" (having voted for a presidential candidate who is not "prolife"), anyone who voted for McCain is also "not prolife."
MC3 continues to imply that CP is "not in the game" despite having been challenged to share the basis for this assumption, and in reality, has absolutely no way of knowing the extent of CP's involvement in the prolife movement outside of this forum. CP challenged him on this point as well, yet received no response other than the deletion of the posts.
CP started a new account to respond to continuing attacks after having his original account banned at his own request. MC3 concedes that CP broke no rules, and did nothing to warrant banning, but that he banned the account simply because CP requested he do so. CP did not request the second account be banned, yet it was, and posts made with that account were deleted as well.
Spinwiddy was allegedly banned for posting a link to another poster's FB profile, which could be interpreted as breaking the rule about posting members personal info or asking members to post personal info. Is a poster's FB page "personal info," even if that poster publicly shared the address already on the forum? Perhaps. I suppose it depends on point of view. Technically, I do not believe a FB profile address can be considered personally identifying info. Augustine also allegedly posted a link to a web page belonging to another poster on this forum, but for whatever reason, was not banned. Personally, I do not think either of them technically violated the forum rules (Where can the rules be found anyway, other than the one against posting personal info or asking others for personal info?)
Leftsnemesis asked another poster for name, address, social security #, etc. This clearly violated the rules which the moderator stated would result in banning, yet he was not banned.
These are facts, make of them what you will.

reply from: B0zo

Calling a postabortive prolife activist a "killer scanc" is "vigorous defense of the unborn"?
How?
How is linking to someone's private photographs and livejournal account "vigorous defense of the unborn"? How did that help the unborn?
Besides this is a false dichotomy as if it must be one or the other, or one precludes the other. It can easily be both.
Besides that, calling somone a "killer scanc" or a "whore" goes beyond "bad manners" into the realm of abuse.

reply from: B0zo

A poster linked to Yuuki's livejournal, and it was obvious she thought it was private and did not wish for that to happen, and nobody got banned or reprimanded for it.
Is that why spinwiddy was banned? For doing the same thing?

reply from: B0zo

If you are going to allow abusiveness, then I think that since you occassionally visit and post, you could say something about it from time to time. You're here with the rest of us and I've never seen you tell faithman that it's wrong and abusive to call a postabortive prolife woman a "whore" and a "scanc" over and over. It seems that's the least a Christian gentleman who owns this board could do.
Otherwise, it has all the appearance that you condone such abuse, and I was beginning to believe you did until this post of yours, but even now I'm not quite sure, since faithman claims to know you personally, and you two could be privately snickering about this.
I think that forbidding intentional degradation of another person is something you COULD add to your rules with little worry about "censorship." It's just plain common sense and decency, unless of course you don't want participation from those who are revulsed by it, and only want the personal attackers to post and dominate.

reply from: saucie

It's the season of collasal WHINERS!
Shut up already, if anyone doesn't like how Mark runs the forum...go get your own or just be still. sheesh...how ridiculous can you people get!?!?

reply from: B0zo

Do you get all warm and tingly when your friend calls CM a "scanc" and a "whore"? You enjoy that degradation, don't you?
Valid constructive criticism was made with the hope this could be a better place for real discussions and learning, without degrading each other.
Anything wrong with that?
Besides if this is an "anything goes" forum, then we can be just as ridiculous as you, can't we? (Though it will take much striving to achieve that level).

reply from: saucie

Do you get all warm and tingly when your friend calls CM a "scanc" and a "whore"? You enjoy that degradation, don't you?
Valid constructive criticism was made with the hope this could be a better place for real discussions and learning, without degrading each other.
Anything wrong with that?
Besides if this is an "anything goes" forum, then we can be just as ridiculous as you, can't we? (Though it will take much striving to achieve that level).
It's the season of collasal WHINERS!
Shut up already, if anyone doesn't like how Mark runs the forum...go get your own or just be still. sheesh...how ridiculous can you people get!?!?

reply from: B0zo

I think I hear an echo.
FYI, saucie, a new rule has been implemented that you can only suck up to mark 10 times a day and no more. You've exceeded your limit for today, but we'll let you slide this time.
Now just for the fun of it, see if you can come up with a post that does not insult someone and is not some kind of apple-polishing to be the teacher's pet. I challenge you to make a post that distinguishes you from a forum troll. I think you can do that. I know you've got it in you...

reply from: Banned Member

Originally posted by: saucie
It's the season of collasal WHINERS!
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<~
...And they're even worse than the colossal whiners!

reply from: B0zo

And who is worse, the whiners or the whiner who can't stop whining about the whiners?
Anyway, I don't accept the premise that taking a stand against degrading and abusive posts is "whining."
It's the right thing to do, and saucie should take a stand against it too instead of standing by and watching the molestation.

reply from: Banned Member

What's ironic is that I was banned for doing exactly what Saucie is doing - being 'abusive'.

reply from: churchmouse

Entire threads? Yea I'd like to see that. In your dreams.
You can defend the unborn and not tear people down in the process especially a sister in Christ.
How many did the Apostle Paul kill Faithman? How many? You do know who the Apostle Paul is dont you? You probably dont.
Did Christ forgive him? Doesnt Christ forgive?
Are you saying that Christ wont forgive those who ask?
Try just ONCE, JUST ONCE to answer a question about scripture Faithman.
If you say no then you do not know scripture. And I personally based on what you say here do NOT know scripture. CArole has asked forgiveness. I have asked forgiveness and Christ based on scriptures forgave and saved us. Would Christ call us names? Does Christ hate us?
You are a sad human being and I feel sorry for you. I am praying for you, that God changes your heart because from all appearances you have a giant sized hole inside you. A hole that only Christ can fill if you would allow him to.
You have the gall after crucifying Carole to say that she is not a good pro-lifer.
Unbelievable. Your sad.
Of course you don't. You do your best to smash souls to puff your own self up. Its not about the unborn for you. Its all about YOU.
I think with out a doubt you are the meanest person I have ever met. I am glad that we never will meet in person.
Bozo great post.....

reply from: B0zo

Did you mean to call f'man an "a-hole"???!!!!
You've called a married woman with a family a "street walker," and you say you don't "slander" anyone?
So you were even more abusive in some threads and those were deleted...
So what? Those that remain standing are still disgusting, abusive, and beneath the contempt of any prolifer or Christian, though I will say nothing further to you about it, since you have no conscience about this and I would get more satisfaction from talking to a brick.
I think most of us with some common sense can see that faithman uses this as an excuse to bully and get some sick and cheap thrills at someone else's expense, shamefully using the unborn as a prop and a way to justify himself.
It's sad that he is one of the faces of the prolife movement, and it's perfectly natural that some of us are indignant about it.

reply from: faithman

And once again the whiners let emotion over ride fact. CM has come to this forum bragging about killing three, flaunting a desire to dress like a street walker, devalueing the life of preborn children on a regular basis. Vowing to fight personhood for the womb child. Posting post modernist gobble dee goop as a substitute for the real gospel, and you want me to call her a "good Prolifer". Only in your dreams. And should we forget that she endangered the operations of CPC's all accross north Texas with the false story she told about a pregnant 10 year old? If that is repentance, then the standard for it has been lowered so low it is meaningless. She can hide behind her "nice" all she wants. But both in word and deed, she is the deadly enemy to womb children. If you can't see it, you are willingly blind.

reply from: saucie

Churchmouse said:
You've just accused someone of being a liar without knowing for certain; that is bearing false witness. Not to mention that was just plain rude the way you said it and after lectureing this entire forum on how nice we're suppose to be.
Do you not know the definition of hypocrite?
You should take that advice.
As much as the proaborts views disgust me, seeing all this incessant holier than thou posting from so called Christians is worse.
You've got some control issues, you're not alone, there's a clown here that has exhibited that from day one.
Now we have two....swell.

reply from: saucie

What's ironic is that I was banned for doing exactly what Saucie is doing - being 'abusive'.
Wha'ts ironic is that you're constantly getting banned and then keep showing up where you're not wanted.
But, then men like you have no self respect.

reply from: B0zo

You've just accused someone of being a liar without knowing for certain; that is bearing false witness. Not to mention that was just plain rude the way you said it and after lectureing this entire forum on how nice we're suppose to be.
Do you not know the definition of hypocrite?
You should take that advice.
As much as the proaborts views disgust me, seeing all this incessant holier than thou posting from so called Christians is worse.
You've got some control issues, you're not alone, there's a clown here that has exhibited that from day one.
Now we have two....swell.
What all your rambling and skirting the real issue really means is that you are perfectly fine with someone being verbally abusive and degrading to a postabortive prolife woman (who has worked hard to save many of the unborn from abortion), and you prefer to enable that behavior rather than confront it as you should.

reply from: saucie

Clown creepy said:
No, what it means is I've never said anything abusive to CM concerning her abortions, never brought them up, never said a word...never.
The purpose YOUR "ramblings" serve is to swell your own ego, your own self righteous, holier than thou swelled head.
So, while your online wifey is out saving (just some that she deems worhty) babies, you might want to consider that she's all for the IUD which deliberatly keeps a newly concieved child from implanting and all other forms of BC. She also has said she will fight "tooth and nail" personhood for the child in the womb.
Your precious princess is not prolife.
Therefore, she has my contempt in those areas, and if you don't like it, welll....oh let me count the ways with what you can do with that, you pompous busy body.

reply from: churchmouse

FAITHMAN.........How many did the Apostle Paul kill Faithman? How many? You do know who the Apostle Paul is don't you? You probably don't.
Did Christ forgive him? Doesn't Christ forgive those who ask?
Are you saying that Christ won't forgive those who ask?
Do you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that those that have had abortions and then accepted Christ are NOT SAVED?
Ha Ha NO I did NOT. I meant "a hole" only God can fill.
He does get thrills and he does use the unborn as props.......so he can dehumanize those he hates. The thing is, I think theres some self-hatred going on there.
If anyone brags on this site it's you Faithman. You never address the issue and you are a coward when it comes to scriptures. You run when confronted with anything biblical because you know the scriptures convict you. So....you avoid them. Carole does not brag period, she shares what she does. You brag. You think you wrote the book when it comes to being pro-life.
You are the one who is willingly blind and I pray that that God take you to a place, wherever that is......and changes your heart. I pray God gives you a willing heart to do what He commands you to do. And guess what........His commandments take front seat to any issue that we ever could face or champion. You should be loving your neighbor. You should be witnessing and spreading His love and just why He came for us. You should be telling people that you know women who have killed their unborns and come to know Christ. And that Christ TAKES ALL THE CREDIT FOR THEIR SALVATION and the work they do.
I am not sure that you have ever accepted Christ and I am taking for granted that you have. But your actions, fruits here make your faith in Him questionable. Most people here when they make mistakes admit error, I certainly do. I have apologized to several people both publically and privately when I was wrong. I have never tried to be perfect. But I have never once seen a soft side of you, never seen you say once that you were sorry and wrong. If anyone has a long pointing finger here its you. Well, saucies giving you a run for your money as of late.
Christ loved the prostitute and told her to sin no more. He did not call her a scanc, whore, streetwalker. He showed compassion and mercy to her.
You show the opposite with your rants on here.
I am praying for you.
Not really. But could you prove that threads were removed and what where they and why? Its a he said, she said here. And taking what Faithman says on this forum, and seeing just what he gets away with leads me to believe it PROBABLY is not true.
Being a Christian does not mean you have to take verbal abuse. It does not mean we should roll over and play dead. Often times I say things I shouldt have, but I certainly by all standards here do not bash anyone like you and Faithman do. Your language and your intent is quite obvious. I am praying for you both.

reply from: Banned Member

That's not what irony is, honey.
Education: go get some.
Aww. Poor saucie; still cut up that a tranny is more beautiful than him.
I guess if I was an ugly natal man like you, I'd be jealous too.
You can get plastic surgery you know.
(Though they can only do so much)

reply from: B0zo

No, what it means is I've never said anything abusive to CM concerning her abortions, never brought them up, never said a word...never.
The purpose YOUR "ramblings" serve is to swell your own ego, your own self righteous, holier than thou swelled head.
So, while your online wifey is out saving (just some that she deems worhty) babies, you might want to consider that she's all for the IUD which deliberatly keeps a newly concieved child from implanting and all other forms of BC. She also has said she will fight "tooth and nail" personhood for the child in the womb.
Your precious princess is not prolife.
Therefore, she has my contempt in those areas, and if you don't like it, welll....oh let me count the ways with what you can do with that, you pompous busy body.
This was not your concern. You didn't have to involve yourself in this discussion, but I suppose you were desperate for a few more brownie points.
I certainly have some huge disagreements with some of CMs ideas, but that doesn't mean I should not vigorously oppose her being called a "scanc" and a "whore" and to be otherwise degraded.
I would do the same for you.

reply from: carolemarie

FYI: I don't save anyone, it is the Holy Spirit who moves on the things we share with women at the clinic. I just go and tell them that I will help them and then help them. Anyone can do that....just go and love them WHERE THEY ARE
And God will bless your efforts! But you have to love them and care about them, not just the baby. And even if they don't listen you have to love them afterwards, and make the choice to continue to love, even when it hurts and when it is hard...
because God told us to and Jesus was the example.
now has for the namecalling, Jesus told us that if we desired to live Godly lives (living for His glory) we would be persecuted and reviled by those who hate goodness.....so I am not suprised

reply from: B0zo

Thanks for the reminder.

reply from: carolemarie

Blessed are you when men revile and persecute you for my namesake and great will be your reward in heaven, so thank you Faithman for those jewels in my crown!!!

reply from: churchmouse

FAITHMAN.........How many did the Apostle Paul kill Faithman? How many? You do know who the Apostle Paul is don't you? You probably don't.
Did Christ forgive him? Doesn't Christ forgive those who ask?
Are you saying that Christ won't forgive those who ask?
Are you researching or are you afraid to answer?
You are quick to answer when there is no scripture in it.
We are commanded to love. Jesus did not suggest it, he commanded his followers to love, even their neighbor. You can stand on the truth, tell someone that their actions are not godly but do it with love.
18"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first." John 15:18

reply from: saucie

Just so we're square on something, I don't revile anyone nor hate any goodness, and if you think that's what's going on here, then your head is more swollen than the clowns.
What's reviled and what is hated is the killing of innocent children in the womb, the PERSONS that are developing in their mother's wombs, the children that made it past YOUR PRECIOUS bc...
That and that alone is what is reviled....you need to get over your holier than thou self but fast.

reply from: saucie

We are commanded to love. Jesus did not suggest it, he commanded his followers to love, even their neighbor. You can stand on the truth, tell someone that their actions are not godly but do it with love.
18"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first." John 15:18
Curious, not meaning anything rude, but does this mean you're going to start doing what you just told Faithman he should do according to the Word?

reply from: faithman

For one thing, no one is "reviling " you for the name of Christ. The only crown you ware is the one with the horns of a baby killer. Show one post where you are reviled for the name of Christ. It simply hasn't happened. But nice try word twister. You and your crowd love living in LA LA land. You have not been "persecuted"., at all. You have been outed for the baby killing scanc lier that you are. You have been rebuked for your anti baby posts, and your vow to fight against their person hood. Your actions and words revile Christ and his word. But you will tell any lie to garner simpathy for yourself, even if it means you endanger real pro-life work. So play the victim all you want. The only real victims here are the 3 you killed. The 3 you dismiss as a little youthful mistake.

reply from: B0zo

He's too blind to see that he really is doing that.
What a shame he wastes so much time persecuting a prolife activist who actually saves babies and doesn't just talk about it on the internet.
Why would he want to discourage good prolife work?
Weird...

reply from: saucie

He's too blind to see that he really is doing that.
What a shame he wastes so much time persecuting a prolife activist who actually saves babies and doesn't just talk about it on the internet.
Why would he want to discourage good prolife work?
Weird...
What a shame you waste so much time following Faithman and CM around the board!
creepy......
And never do a single thing for the prolife movement....
lazy......

reply from: churchmouse

Ah but you do mean to be mean saucie.
What have I done, who have a verbally bashed or berated?
Post a few examples.
Do I swear and call names? NO
Calling someone mean and hateful is not like calling someone specific scance, whore, streetwalker, scumbag....etc. You know like Faithman does.
And where do you fit in all this? How do you fit on the love meter saucie? What has made you so hateful towards people? You accuse some people of following faithman around the board.........funny you are always there to see it. hahaha
What a crock of lies. You do all the time. I cant believe you used the word Christ. You usually run from the Word, or anything to do with it. You avoid my questions because you are incapable of answering them. You are not convicted and you know if you address them you will be exposed. So you pretend to ignore them.
I get it.......you fool no one.
The one who looks bad here is YOU. You are the most hateful, vindictive person I have ever met and I feel so sad for you. God help you.
You have no clue how your actions are ungodly. And when you one day stand before Christ Jesus, you will have to answer to every cruel, mean hateful thing you have said to some people here.
Christ will ask you what you did for Him. Were you nice, did you love people., did you sprea the Word. And what will you say? "Gee God, I hated people, I put the unborn first at the expense of what you commanded me to do. Your pro-life card wont be enough Faithman.
I can only imagine how you are in person. You put up a good front and some might fall for your crap, but I dont and a lot of people here don't either.

reply from: B0zo

She knows it and she loves it, or she woudn't excuse it every single time.

reply from: nancyu

Ah but you do mean to be mean saucie.
What have I done, who have a verbally bashed or berated?
YOU LIE.
Post a few examples.
Do I swear and call names? NO
YOU LIE
Calling someone mean and hateful is not like calling someone specific scance, whore, streetwalker, scumbag....etc. You know like Faithman does.
CALLING SOMEONE A "HATER" IS CALLING SOMEONE A "SPECIFIC" NAME. EXACTLY THE SAME, IF NOT WORSE THAN CALLING A SCANC OR WHORE, BECAUSE IT IS NOT TRUE. IT IS BEARING FALSE WITNESS.
And where do you fit in all this? How do you fit on the love meter saucie? What has made you so hateful towards people? You accuse some people of following faithman around the board.........funny you are always there to see it. hahaha
What a crock of lies. You do all the time. I cant believe you used the word Christ. You usually run from the Word, or anything to do with it. You avoid my questions because you are incapable of answering them. You are not convicted and you know if you address them you will be exposed. So you pretend to ignore them.
I get it.......you fool no one.
AND NEITHER DO YOU.
The one who looks bad here is YOU. You are the most hateful, vindictive person I have ever met and I feel so sad for you. God help you.
You have no clue how your actions are ungodly. And when you one day stand before Christ Jesus, you will have to answer to every cruel, mean hateful thing you have said to some people here.
Christ will ask you what you did for Him. Were you nice, did you love people., did you sprea the Word. And what will you say? "Gee God, I hated people, I put the unborn first at the expense of what you commanded me to do. Your pro-life card wont be enough Faithman.
You know what I predict Christ will say to you? I think he will say that you were nice to the wrong people. We are not supposed to be "nice" to people who advocate for killing of innocent children. If you think Christ will thank you for that, I believe you've got another "think" coming.

reply from: saucie

Ah but you do mean to be mean saucie.
What have I done, who have a verbally bashed or berated?
Post a few examples.
Do I swear and call names? NO
Calling someone mean and hateful is not like calling someone specific scance, whore, streetwalker, scumbag....etc. You know like Faithman does.
And where do you fit in all this? How do you fit on the love meter saucie? What has made you so hateful towards people? You accuse some people of following faithman around the board.........funny you are always there to see it. hahaha
What a crock of lies. You do all the time. I cant believe you used the word Christ. You usually run from the Word, or anything to do with it. You avoid my questions because you are incapable of answering them. You are not convicted and you know if you address them you will be exposed. So you pretend to ignore them.
I get it.......you fool no one.
The one who looks bad here is YOU. You are the most hateful, vindictive person I have ever met and I feel so sad for you. God help you.
You have no clue how your actions are ungodly. And when you one day stand before Christ Jesus, you will have to answer to every cruel, mean hateful thing you have said to some people here.
Christ will ask you what you did for Him. Were you nice, did you love people., did you sprea the Word. And what will you say? "Gee God, I hated people, I put the unborn first at the expense of what you commanded me to do. Your pro-life card wont be enough Faithman.
I can only imagine how you are in person. You put up a good front and some might fall for your crap, but I dont and a lot of people here don't either.
You're rude, you haven't spoken the truth in any kind of love. As much as I disagree with Carol, she actually does speak with love...not the truth, but she does make the effort to speak softly.
You, on the other hand have pointing fingers down to a rather obnoxious and straight out of hell science.
There isn't anything kind in your posts, you speak of others hating while you do the same thing.
The level of the hypocrisy you have risen to is absolutley stunning.
I don't have the time or the inclination to go back thru your posts and point these things out...but, your tone is hateful, and deliberatly hurtful. Read them again if you don't beleve me.
There isn't an ounce of love in any of your posts.
You think you're so high and mighty, so holier than thou, you're the exact people Jesus referred to as sepulchres filled with dead men's bones. You've become the forum pharisee. How sad.
You accused Faithman of lying and you have absolutley no way of proving him wrong...he said he had entire threads deleted and you don't believe him...that is bareing false witness.
You truly have become very, very troubled....the hatred that fills your heart is easy enough to see.
I'm trying to remember that we dont' fight against flesh and blood.
I hope you find the peace that is so obviously missing in your life right now.
Truly I do.
P/S...not so nice:
Not only swearing in there, but you're bearing false witness....again. That's a very bad habit.

reply from: saucie

She knows it and she loves it, or she woudn't excuse it every single time.
That's a lie.
You have no idea of knowing what I love....and I've never once excused any such thing and you know it.
You and your new online princess have made a habit out of bearing false witness.

reply from: Banned Member

Oh, but we do know.
You love nothing. You're a giant, bitter, enraged, ugly ball of hate.
I've never seen a single nice post from you on here.
You are the embodiment of hate.

reply from: Shenanigans

Maybe someone should start a thread about this debacle since it seems to be oozing out into other threads.

reply from: saucie

Oh, but we do know.
You love nothing. You're a giant, bitter, enraged, ugly ball of hate.
I've never seen a single nice post from you on here.
You are the embodiment of hate.
This coming from the king of hate...that's just too darn funny!
As if you've read every single post I've ever written. I've been coming to this forum long before you, mr. nothing.

reply from: Banned Member

Oh, but we do know.
You love nothing. You're a giant, bitter, enraged, ugly ball of hate.
I've never seen a single nice post from you on here.
You are the embodiment of hate.
Arghhhh! THE IRONY!
IT BURNS!
It's amazing that someone could lack so little self-awareness as to post that.
Sound familiar? Haha! By the way.. keep the hate speech coming, it looks great on you.

reply from: Banned Member

Oh, but we do know.
You love nothing. You're a giant, bitter, enraged, ugly ball of hate.
I've never seen a single nice post from you on here.
You are the embodiment of hate.
This coming from the Queen of hate...that's just too darn funny!
As if you've read every single post I've ever written. I've been coming to this forum long before you, ms. nothing.
Ah, actually, I joined before you
Is making yourself look like a douche your hobby, or just happy coincidence?

reply from: Banned Member

Oh, but we do know.
You love nothing. You're a giant, bitter, enraged, ugly ball of hate.
I've never seen a single nice post from you on here.
You are the embodiment of hate.
Arghhhh! THE IRONY!
IT BURNS!
It's amazing that someone could lack so little self-awareness as to post that.
Sound familiar? Haha! By the way.. keep the hate speech coming, it looks great on you.
No, I recognise that I post mostly hatey stuff; so there isn't any irony.
Saucie on the other hand...
Well, he claims to be something other than a hate machine, hence the irony.

reply from: Banned Member

That's good. I think you are making some progress. The first step is acceptance.

reply from: Banned Member

That's good. I think you are making some progress. The first step is acceptance.
Hey, you can achieve it too, little buddy. Chin up.
Keep working on counting to three, you'll be there in no time

reply from: carolemarie

Ah but you do mean to be mean saucie.
What have I done, who have a verbally bashed or berated?
YOU LIE.
Post a few examples.
Do I swear and call names? NO
YOU LIE
Calling someone mean and hateful is not like calling someone specific scance, whore, streetwalker, scumbag....etc. You know like Faithman does.
CALLING SOMEONE A "HATER" IS CALLING SOMEONE A "SPECIFIC" NAME. EXACTLY THE SAME, IF NOT WORSE THAN CALLING A SCANC OR WHORE, BECAUSE IT IS NOT TRUE. IT IS BEARING FALSE WITNESS.
And where do you fit in all this? How do you fit on the love meter saucie? What has made you so hateful towards people? You accuse some people of following faithman around the board.........funny you are always there to see it. hahaha
What a crock of lies. You do all the time. I cant believe you used the word Christ. You usually run from the Word, or anything to do with it. You avoid my questions because you are incapable of answering them. You are not convicted and you know if you address them you will be exposed. So you pretend to ignore them.
I get it.......you fool no one.
AND NEITHER DO YOU.
The one who looks bad here is YOU. You are the most hateful, vindictive person I have ever met and I feel so sad for you. God help you.
You have no clue how your actions are ungodly. And when you one day stand before Christ Jesus, you will have to answer to every cruel, mean hateful thing you have said to some people here.
Christ will ask you what you did for Him. Were you nice, did you love people., did you sprea the Word. And what will you say? "Gee God, I hated people, I put the unborn first at the expense of what you commanded me to do. Your pro-life card wont be enough Faithman.
You know what I predict Christ will say to you? I think he will say that you were nice to the wrong people. We are not supposed to be "nice" to people who advocate for killing of innocent children. If you think Christ will thank you for that, I believe you've got another "think" coming.
Nancy, Jesus told us to love our enemies and to bless those who do wrong. Love is the greatest weapon we have, and it never fails.....

reply from: Banned Member

Alright, alright, someone please tell me if it's "OK" to retaliate against a personal attack provided you don't call the other person unearned names or labels or tell untruths about them?

reply from: carolemarie

okay in what sense? If you are a Christian, you are suppose to NOT retaliate your suppose to let the Lord vindicate you....
you can of course correct a misstatement, or continue to tell the truth,
you can say things like that isn't true, I said xy or z, not z. So at that point you have corrected the matter. You don't need to say "you liar"
personal attacks are hard to deal with......I can get really angry and let my buttons get pushed or I can choose to ignore the insults and respond to just the general topic.....I will give you it is hard!!!!

reply from: churchmouse

And what will He say to you nancy, when He asks you if you loved us? You think we are wrong, but do you show love towards us, towards those you disagree with? What about the namecalling you have done on here? What will you say to defend yourself?
I am a work in progress and not perfect. I know I have said things that were out of line, hurtful to many people, I do not deny this. But I will say this, I have never called someone the hateful and vicious things that your hate group has done towards people here. Many times I have not set a good example, but I try. I try to make progress towards being Christ like. I am not afraid of admitting error, contrary to many on here who pretend to be perfect and who do not set an example "in speech, life, love, faith and purity."
One thing I do know and that is what Jesus did, how He confronted those who hated Him. And the conduct on this forum (me included) is appauling and nothing Christlike at all times. JESUS DID NOT RETURN INSULTS PERIOD.
"To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth. When they hurled insults at him HE DID NOT RETALIATE; when He suffered He made no threats. Instead He entrusted Himself to Him who judges justly." 1 Peter 2:21-25
Knowledge apart from application puffs up. We should ALL watch our actions and make sure that they align with the scriptures.
Did He call people names nancy? No.
Who are the wrong people nancy by the way? Who should I avoid and shun in Gods name? Who should I hate? And please back your answer up with scripture.

Rude? Well I won't pretend to be perfect, I am sure I have been rude before I won't deny this. But then I think we all can admit to that can't we? Have you ever been rude on this forum saucie?
I agree with most of what carole says and how she does it, although I disagree with some of her theology regarding certain issues. She speaks more than softly, most the time I can't hear her at all. She gets her point across when she needs to I guess. I am more outspoken then she is that is for sure.
It is my nature to defend. Maybe its because of my age but I like going to bat for people, especially those who are being crucified unfairly. And I appreciate those who do the same for me, especially if they call me out on wrong behavior in a loving way. And people have done that privately which I took to heart and prayed about. As I said, I do not pretend to be perfect, like many on here try to do.

Of course you don't have the time. You are on here a lot but it is not that important. You want specific examples from me, but you are above finding those that apply to what you accuse me of doing.
Curious how you defend the hatred you show on here.......are you a Christian? Do you love me like Christ commands that you do?
What faithman says on here is public knowledge. His words are hateful towards people he disagrees with. He rips into carole and does it in a ungodly way. You support him and follow his lead. He is on here all the time, he lives on here. I believe I asked what threads got deleted. If I had a thread deleted I would have remembered it. Now I dont know if he has me on ignore, he never makes comments to what I say, probably because they contain scripture and he just will not talk about the Bible and how it relates to his behavior. I dont blame him.
No one has said one thing about any threads being deleted but Faithman. But as long as I have been here........I have NEVER, EVER seen him disciplined by Mark. NEVER.
So I still doubt what he says, sorry.
Well I am troubled about a lot of things, like how to serve God more fully. But I do not hate anyone here really, far from it. The peace I have in my heart comes from Christ Jesus. It comes from nothing else, not even the pro-life work I do. Christ comes first.
I need a lot of work, arent we all works in progress? Are you perfect in Christ?How do you compare my language, my actions on here compared to you guys who demean people by calling them vile name? Do you show godly love and devotion to the Word? Do you take the Great Commission seriously? I have never seen you witness to anyone? Isnt that more important in the end than even pro-life work?
I could have put my comment a bit nicer but it nevertheless is the truth. I should not have used a**. I never did type the words I used *** but I meant it, how you took it. Faithman gets what he wants on here and I have never seen Mark call him out on his hateful behavior. He says whatever he wants. I bear no false witness......as I said, this is a public forum....and what we say is for all to read.
Its easy to see who the haters are without saying one word.
hahaha princess? Heck we have been friends since I came here. We happen to agree about what is godly behavior. I am so so glad he is here as a presence for Christ.
It does seem that way doesn't it? I agree with you. I do not remember her being that way a year ago.
And you aren't a Mr. Nothing. You are somebody in Gods eyes, remember that.
And while we are at it, I would like to apologize to you publically about the way I treated you a year ago before you got banned. Many times I was less than nice. I could have acted in a more godly way in getting my point across. I am sorry.

reply from: faithman

He's too blind to see that he really is doing that.
What a shame he wastes so much time persecuting a prolife activist who actually saves babies and doesn't just talk about it on the internet.
Why would he want to discourage good prolife work?
Weird...
What is weird is you ignore this blatant baby killers words and deeds. You ignore the pro-death rhetoric, the exalting of a trashy life style, and the endangering of real pro-life work with false stories. I have never discouraged :"good Prolife work. I have mearly confronted a phony baby killer for opposing personhood for the womb child because it might mean that future killers are brought to justice. But twist the words all you want to punk. You are a lieing piece of crap, defending your fellow lieing piece of crap.

reply from: faithman

Ah but you do mean to be mean saucie.
What have I done, who have a verbally bashed or berated?
Post a few examples.
Do I swear and call names? NO
Calling someone mean and hateful is not like calling someone specific scance, whore, streetwalker, scumbag....etc. You know like Faithman does.
And where do you fit in all this? How do you fit on the love meter saucie? What has made you so hateful towards people? You accuse some people of following faithman around the board.........funny you are always there to see it. hahaha
What a crock of lies. You do all the time. I cant believe you used the word Christ. You usually run from the Word, or anything to do with it. You avoid my questions because you are incapable of answering them. You are not convicted and you know if you address them you will be exposed. So you pretend to ignore them.
I get it.......you fool no one.
The one who looks bad here is YOU. You are the most hateful, vindictive person I have ever met and I feel so sad for you. God help you.
You have no clue how your actions are ungodly. And when you one day stand before Christ Jesus, you will have to answer to every cruel, mean hateful thing you have said to some people here.
Christ will ask you what you did for Him. Were you nice, did you love people., did you sprea the Word. And what will you say? "Gee God, I hated people, I put the unborn first at the expense of what you commanded me to do. Your pro-life card wont be enough Faithman.
I can only imagine how you are in person. You put up a good front and some might fall for your crap, but I dont and a lot of people here don't either.
I have not avoid your questions, I have answered them once already. You simply don't like my answeres, and I don't care to repeat myself simple because you are willingly stupid. Being "loving" does not mean we soft soap the truth. The truth is that CM is an unrepentant baby killer, who has vowed to fight real pro-life work because it would send future baby killers to jail. But do blather on. It show what a complete stupid idiot you are.

reply from: faithman

She knows it and she loves it, or she woudn't excuse it every single time.
That's a lie.
You have no idea of knowing what I love....and I've never once excused any such thing and you know it.
You and your new online princess have made a habit out of bearing false witness.
CM admitted to being a street walking whore, and still likes to dress like one. Anyone who kills womb children is a scum bag.

reply from: saucie

phariseemouse
I don't know what has happened to you, but I don't really care anymore.
You're hurtful, spiteful and full of hate....I reject the spirit that is behind your posts and hypocirisy. Not even that foul spirit can take away the joy that is mine and the greatfulness I have for the blessings that abound in my life.
You're willfully blind and there isn't anything anyone can do about that but you alone.
You've presented a side of Christianity that is sickening...you'll have to deal with it and explain one day why you took on yourself to tear down with words and then critize others for tearing down with words.

reply from: B0zo

Your friend degrades and abuses, and when called on it, you excuse it and defend it almost every time.
It's indefensible, but you defend it.
You never speak out against it. You only do that against those who would occassionally oppose it.

reply from: B0zo

She knows it and she loves it, or she woudn't excuse it every single time.
That's a lie.
You have no idea of knowing what I love....and I've never once excused any such thing and you know it.
You and your new online princess have made a habit out of bearing false witness.
CM admitted to being a street walking whore, and still likes to dress like one. Anyone who kills womb children is a scum bag.
I admit that I've sinned too, so I'm in the same club. If you have no sins in your past, you're to be congratulated, though you need to understand that the sins of one's past do not necessarily define who they are today.
I have not had the occasion to see photographs of CM or see her in person, so I would have no way of knowing how she dresses, and am a little curious how you know. But since you do know what she wears, could you describe one of her outfits, please, and explain why it would fall in the category of "streetwalker attire"?
I do know that she admits to counseling women who are intent upon aborting, and that in a small percentage of cases, has succeeded, resulting in helping to save hundreds from abortion over the years, and I would suspect, that none of them holds the sins of her youth against her, or cares how she dresses, but are instead grateful for her good pro-life work.
I do believe she's sorry for her own personal abortions. She said she is, and that ought to be enough. Her word is good enough for me, especially since I'm not qualified to pass judgement on whether someone is "truly repentent," and since I've got my hands full with my own sins and weaknesses. More important, her actions and her willingness to defend life in the womb and to work so hard to prevent others from making the same mistake clearly demonstrate an opposition to abortion. If she were not sorry for her own abortions, she would not care if others had abortions and would not work so hard to prevent them from aborting.
You have to go through a lot of rationalizing and self-deception to come up with lame excuses that you get to verbally abuse her because she's not sorry enough to suit you.
But how sad that a teenager would have to resort to being a "streetwalker." Why not be happy for her that she found her way out of that hell, instead of condemning her for it? How do you justify calling her a streetwalker today for something God delivered her from many years ago?
Your disagreements with legal issues, contraception, religion, or whatever, should be argued on the merits of the ideas. If your ideas are sound and if your opponent's are not, then you should be able to make a case without degrading and abusing someone over sins of their past.
From my perspective, when you continually make such vile and degrading personal attacks, it makes it seem that that's the best you've got--that you don't have any real ideas that are worth considering.

reply from: carolemarie

He is just mad that I don't like that amendment, and until it is amended to provide for birth control and to not jail women, I wouldn't support it. I stand by my conviction that those things make it a bad amendment, which would make bad law.
Plus it is unconstitutional and would be yet another precedent in favor of Roe.

reply from: carolemarie

Churchmouse is at least standing up for the truth and asking questions of the rest of you....if you are a Christian, what about that love your enemy bit? What about turning the other cheek? What about telling your friends who are not Christian about Jesus when you get the chance?
Typing a statement can make it sound harsh or the tone can sound different than intended....perhaps we should give each other a break and assume that we are not trying to insult, but simply asking questions and trying to understand....
Ending abortion isn't the goal of Christianity. The goal is to know God more and more intimately....out of that relationship ministry flows.....we desire to help other people overcome the world and know Christ....our hearts grieve for the things that grieve Gods' heart.

reply from: faithman

Number 0ne, What amendment? Number 2: what's unconstitutional? Number 3: why aren't you fighting to let women who kill born children out of jail? What's the difference? And four, I am mad that womb children are slaughtered, period. You are really very insignificant in anything I do, and I only really pity you. You are not worth waisting anger on.

reply from: carolemarie

1. the personhood amendments. 2. unconstitutional because the supreme court has already ruled that abortion is legal. 3. Killing a born child is different than abortion.
Then quit spending your time being rude to me . There is no reason to call me names

reply from: nancyu

What crap.
Calling a person a person is unconstitutional? What page is that on?

reply from: Spinwubby

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I posted the opposition on the "prolifer-on-prolifer action!" thread.
Major prolife groups are opposing the personhood amendments as a waste of time:
Anti-abortion groups oppose Nevada personhood
By SANDRA CHEREB Associated Press Writer
Posted: 11/17/2009 12:08:20 PM PST
Updated: 11/17/2009 01:58:16 PM PST
CARSON CITY, Nev. - Abortion opponents said Tuesday the intention was good, but they will oppose a proposed ballot measure that seeks to define a person and override Nevada's abortion laws.
Leaders of Nevada Life, Nevada Eagle Forum, Nevada Families and the Independent American Party said that while the Nevada Personhood initiative may have been filed with good intent, it is vague and won't end abortion because of existing federal law.
"We feel it's counterproductive," said Janine Hansen, president of Nevada Eagle Forum.
Hansen said anti-abortion advocates have made strides through public education and outreach to curb the number of abortions, and fear the initiative would invite interpretation by the courts.
"When something is vague and undefined ... we can anticipate that it will be enjoined in the courts, and the courts will decide what it means," she said.
"It will end up giving unlimited power to the courts to perpetuate and expand the disastrous effects of Roe v. Wade and will interfere further with any legislative efforts to stop abortion," the groups' statement said.
The Nevada "personhood" initiative, filed by conservative Las Vegas activist Richard Ziser, seeks to define a person and extend due process rights to "everyone possessing a human genome" from the beginning of biological development through end of life.
Ziser, who successfully pushed a constitutional amendment earlier this decade defining marriage in Nevada as between a man and woman, did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment.
Planned Parenthood and the American Civil Liberties Union last week filed a legal challenge to the petition's description of effect in state district court in Carson City.
Among other things, the suit said the description of the initiative's purpose is misleading and violates a state law that limits referendum questions to a single subject.
Additionally, the suit argued the initiative would constitute an entire revision of the state constitution, as opposed to a simple amendment, and therefore cannot be pursued through the initiative process.
No hearing date has yet been set.
Voters in Colorado last year rejected a similar measure. This year, it is being pursued in at least seven states.

reply from: churchmouse

No you have not answered them.
The fact is you are judging caroles heart. If you knew the scriptures you would know that she has done what it takes to be saved as far as repentance goes. You just hate her and continually act ungodly against her.
Now where did you reply to these questions.......?
How many Christians did the Apostle Paul kill?
Did Christ forgive him? Doesn't Christ forgive those who ask and repent?
Are you saying that Christ won't forgive those who ask?
Are you acting Godly towards Carole?

And you have to use the word whore? You are cruel, unbelievable and I believe Satan has a firm grip on you Faithman. You speak more like you are friends of his rather than a follower of Christ.

Post the exact statement where she said she likes to dress like a whore.
I will tell you what has happened to me. I am defending someone who has admitted sin and who is doing amazing work for the unborn. I will not roll over and play dead just because I am a Christian or let you crucify anyone here who doesn't worship you. You are the one who has changed. If you get joy from bashing people like carole......then I have no clue what your God is or about.........I want no part.

What scriptures do you read that backs up the treatment that you guys give those you hate on here?
Could you post them here or will you run like Faithman does everytime a scripture appears in a post.
Give me specifics. You call me on what I say here. Lets take the scriptures and go one on one addressing what is and what is not godly behavior on here.
Bozo said
What a wonderful statement. How sad when people have to resort to degrading activities because they see no way out. And thank you Jesus Christ that you are there for people who admit that they cant do it alone, who need a Savior. I am so happy that Carole and others like her have changed their lives and you made that possible. I pray to God and thank Him for making a difference in their lives so that THEY CAN MAKE A DIFFERECE IN SOMEONE ELSES LIFE.
God gets all the credit.
No godly person could justify the verbal abuse of that which is thrown CAroles way. These are evil fruits done by sinful people who are using the unborn as excuses to hate. And the sad thing is they hate in Gods name.
You are right Bozo, this is all they have got. They never say, I am sorry, I sinned because they are above that. Christ can save them to if they ask. He can change their lives and we need to keep praying for them.
I am so glad you are a godly voice on here. We have both said and done things that we shouldnt have said, but we are quick to ask forgiveness and to admit error.
Carole asks a good question. What about loving your enemy?
Amen Carole. Ending abortion is not the goal of Christianity you are right. To bad a lot of people here cant see that.
I am mad, sad, devestated that unborns are slaughtered. But Christ comes first in my life, wombchildren do not. I want to do it Gods way, even if I disagree with His timing. I believe he turned my life around so that I could talk to others about my sin.
This comment below is spoken by someone who obviously is troubled. We will pray for you Faithman.
"CM admitted to being a street walking whore, and still likes to dress like one. Anyone who kills womb children is a scum bag."
Christ loves those you call scumbags Faithman.

reply from: Banned Member

Fascinating...
In this thread: grown men and woman arguing about the nature of their imaginary friend.

reply from: B0zo

He believes God hates those who are not repentant. Somehow he can tell who is not "truly repentant," and those people are obviously hated by God, so therefore he does God's work when he calls them scumbags, whores, etc.
He's got the Bible to back him up (in his mind) and there is no reasoning with him.
I think he's a horrible representative of prolifers, but at least he seems to be having a good time here.

reply from: Shenanigans

And isn't what this all boils down to?
The interwebs? Making people happy? One crazy fundamentalist/n00b/haX0rZ/libs at a time?

reply from: faithman

You are the biggest dumb ass I have ever seen. This post proves you are not pro-life. Not a bit of it is true. But you have proven that you would rather lie than tell the truth, and you don't care what real pro-life work you hurt doing it. And by the way dumb ass, what amenment is it that I suport? I suport the completely constitutional life at conception act. It does not take an amendment, or a court order to over turn roe. All it takes is an act of congress and a presidents signature. You are ignorant and should keep your stupid baby killing scanc mouth shut about things you don't seem to have the capasity to understand.

reply from: BossMomma

Good to know an abortion clinic was closed down without violence.

reply from: faithman

Good to know an abortion clinic was closed down without violence.
That is what I prefer. but I am just as happy that the clinic in Kansas is closed too. I could really care less which method is used, as long as a killing center is closed.

reply from: faithman

You called yourself names when you came here. You can't condemn a man for merely repeating information you posted on an open forum. And your number 3 point blank proves you are not pro-life. This whole issue hinges on the fact that womb children are equal in humanity and personhood to born persons. That statment is totally inconsistant with a sincere pro-life stance. Both in actions,. words, and posts; you prove to be the deadly enemy of the womb child. There are three scalps on your belt to prove that one.

reply from: saucie

You're going to have to show me where I've defended or excused his posts.
You NEVER speak out against your friend who isn't even pro-life. What does your church say about life in the womb, are they as worthy of protection as the born, your friend doens't think so.
She has said it's different then killing a born child and they aren't worthy of protection, personhood and if bc isn't legal and women are jailed she won't support any such movement and will fight it tooth and nail. IF you cared even a little about the child in the womb that would stop you in your tracks, but it's been painfully obvious from the start you don't care about the baby in the womb. You are a do nothing.
She's a proabort and you defend her ad nauseum. Then turn around and have the nerve to tear to shreds anyone who says a thing against her stand.
You must agree with her on everythng she says and you must just love abortion, or you would stop defending what is REALLY indefensible, but YOU defend it.
Either get in or get out....you both are as sickening as they come, you both have the mindset that will keep those babies being murdered.
You talk and do nothing, she talks and fights against the personhood of tiny babies.
You two belong together, at least the proaborts like vex and spit are honest, you two are hypocrites of the highest order.
Excuse me while I go vomit.

reply from: BossMomma

Good to know an abortion clinic was closed down without violence.
That is what I prefer. but I am just as happy that the clinic in Kansas is closed too. I could really care less which method is used, as long as a killing center is closed.
So you don't care whether lives are taken in the process? How very pro-fetal-life. One would think that murder would go against Pro-life morals. And yes, Dr. G. Tiller was MURDERED, in cold blood within a church of all places. No matter what abortion providers do it is for the Lord to take vengeance for no man is perfect and no man is without his own grievous sins.

reply from: nancyu

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I posted the opposition on the "prolifer-on-prolifer action!" thread.
Major prolife groups are opposing the personhood amendments as a waste of time:
Anti-abortion groups oppose Nevada personhood
By SANDRA CHEREB Associated Press Writer
Posted: 11/17/2009 12:08:20 PM PST
Updated: 11/17/2009 01:58:16 PM PST
CARSON CITY, Nev. - Abortion opponents said Tuesday the intention was good, but they will oppose a proposed ballot measure that seeks to define a person and override Nevada's abortion laws.
Leaders of Nevada Life, Nevada Eagle Forum, Nevada Families and the Independent American Party said that while the Nevada Personhood initiative may have been filed with good intent, it is vague and won't end abortion because of existing federal law.
"We feel it's counterproductive," said Janine Hansen, president of Nevada Eagle Forum.
Hansen said anti-abortion advocates have made strides through public education and outreach to curb the number of abortions, and fear the initiative would invite interpretation by the courts.
"When something is vague and undefined ... we can anticipate that it will be enjoined in the courts, and the courts will decide what it means," she said.
"It will end up giving unlimited power to the courts to perpetuate and expand the disastrous effects of Roe v. Wade and will interfere further with any legislative efforts to stop abortion," the groups' statement said.
The Nevada "personhood" initiative, filed by conservative Las Vegas activist Richard Ziser, seeks to define a person and extend due process rights to "everyone possessing a human genome" from the beginning of biological development through end of life.
Ziser, who successfully pushed a constitutional amendment earlier this decade defining marriage in Nevada as between a man and woman, did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment.
Planned Parenthood and the American Civil Liberties Union last week filed a legal challenge to the petition's description of effect in state district court in Carson City.
Among other things, the suit said the description of the initiative's purpose is misleading and violates a state law that limits referendum questions to a single subject.
Additionally, the suit argued the initiative would constitute an entire revision of the state constitution, as opposed to a simple amendment, and therefore cannot be pursued through the initiative process.
No hearing date has yet been set.
Voters in Colorado last year rejected a similar measure. This year, it is being pursued in at least seven states.
Yeah, like I said:
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=7876&enterthread=y
The phonies are everywhere...

reply from: nancyu

You called yourself names when you came here. You can't condemn a man for merely repeating information you posted on an open forum. And your number 3 point blank proves you are not pro-life. This whole issue hinges on the fact that womb children are equal in humanity and personhood to born persons. That statment is totally inconsistant with a sincere pro-life stance. Both in actions,. words, and posts; you prove to be the deadly enemy of the womb child. There are three scalps on your belt to prove that one.
AGREEEEED.

reply from: BossMomma

You called yourself names when you came here. You can't condemn a man for merely repeating information you posted on an open forum. And your number 3 point blank proves you are not pro-life. This whole issue hinges on the fact that womb children are equal in humanity and personhood to born persons. That statment is totally inconsistant with a sincere pro-life stance. Both in actions,. words, and posts; you prove to be the deadly enemy of the womb child. There are three scalps on your belt to prove that one.
AGREEEEED.
So when we refer to you as a child exploiting harpy we are simply reiterating information you have given about yourself?

reply from: carolemarie

Saucie said:
She has said it's different then killing a born child and they aren't worthy of protection, personhood and if bc isn't legal and women are jailed she won't support any such movement and will fight it tooth and nail. IF you cared even a little about the child in the womb that would stop you in your tracks, but it's been painfully obvious from the start you don't care about the baby in the womb. You are a do nothing.
I NEVER SAID THAT THE UNBORN ARE NOT WORTHY OF PROTECTION, you have ADDED that to my statement. I DO NOT OPPOSE PERSONHOOD, I oppose the sloppy way this amendment is written. It is too vague.
America is not going to allow BC to be outlawed, so not addressing that will cause your amendment to go down in flames!

reply from: carolemarie

You are the biggest dumb ass I have ever seen. This post proves you are not pro-life. Not a bit of it is true. But you have proven that you would rather lie than tell the truth, and you don't care what real pro-life work you hurt doing it. And by the way dumb ass, what amenment is it that I suport? I suport the completely constitutional life at conception act. It does not take an amendment, or a court order to over turn roe. All it takes is an act of congress and a presidents signature. You are ignorant and should keep your stupid baby killing scanc mouth shut about things you don't seem to have the capasity to understand.
Do we have the votes? NO. Do we have a prolife president? NO. Even if we did the Supreme Court would rule it unconstitutional.
And even if they didn't, next election the prochoice lobby could seize control and repeal it!
We need a constitutional amendment. That stops the Supreme Court and a prochoice majority from changing it.
You are the one who doesn't understand how our system works.

reply from: carolemarie

You called yourself names when you came here. You can't condemn a man for merely repeating information you posted on an open forum. And your number 3 point blank proves you are not pro-life. This whole issue hinges on the fact that womb children are equal in humanity and personhood to born persons. That statment is totally inconsistant with a sincere pro-life stance. Both in actions,. words, and posts; you prove to be the deadly enemy of the womb child. There are three scalps on your belt to prove that one.
Faithman:I get sick to death of your attitude!
I told the truth that I had had abortions when I first came here because of the hatefilled attitude toward women who chose abortion. They are not the monsters you paint them! They are people who are decieved or need help to make better choices. I think that lots of women who have had abortions would switch sides if our side treated them with more compassion and kindness. We could use those voices....
And I simply admitted the truth, that I ONCE was in the sex industry I told the truth because that is my testimony. God changed my life. If there is hope for me, there is hope for anyone.
That certainly doesn't mean you should call me a streetwalker, implying that I still am. Or say I dress like one! I get tired of having my past abortions rubbed in my face, especially since I say repeatedly that I regret them. Just what would suit you? Sackcloth and ashes, self-imolation? Perhaps whinning that I am a poor victim? I am not going to do any of that, since God has forgiven me and declared me clean, who the heck are you to say I am not? I am prolife and have spent decade of my life helping women choose it, you committ slander each time you say I am not. (slander is a sin, just thought I would point that out to you)
I am not sure YOU are prolife since you don't mind people killing born abortion providers to save a preborn life....sounds an awful lot like their position rather than ours!

reply from: churchmouse

carole he does not know the Word and cant be judged as an insider. He is a pagan.
God will judge him.
No Christian would call you what Faithman has.
We need to pray for him.
You know the Word and know what God has promised you, THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.
You are a Godly woman, remember that and look on those like Faithman with sadness, that he does not know the joy that we have in Christ.

reply from: B0zo

He could easily disagree with what he feels is a wrong idea without dredging up the sins of someone's past.
I've never seen that from a Christian before.
Because of his cruelty, he's totally not credible as a Christian or an advocate for the prolife cause, as far as I'm concerned, and I don't see how he could possibly be a positive influence. He blocks the door that he would say others should enter.
I don't get it.
But there's absolutely no reasoning with him. He's a brick wall.

reply from: B0zo

You called yourself names when you came here. You can't condemn a man for merely repeating information you posted on an open forum. And your number 3 point blank proves you are not pro-life. This whole issue hinges on the fact that womb children are equal in humanity and personhood to born persons. That statment is totally inconsistant with a sincere pro-life stance. Both in actions,. words, and posts; you prove to be the deadly enemy of the womb child. There are three scalps on your belt to prove that one.
AGREEEEED.
Do you agree that she's an enemy to the hundreds of "womb children" she saved by sidewalk counselling?
Do you agree or disagree that you should be defined today by the sins you committed years ago?

reply from: saucie

You've said killing a child out of the womb is different than killing a child in the womb...one deserves all the protection the law has to offer and the other should just let mommy get away with murder.
I don't care how you dress it up, you do not believe that children in the womb deserve the same kind of protection that children out of the womb get.
You oppose personhood in the only way it could possibly be passed, you're really good at fooling yourself, but not so good at fooling me.
You personally approve of the kind of bc that kills a newly developed human being, so go peddle your proabortion wares on someone else.
Like I said, you've got some fooled...but, only some.

reply from: nancyu

You've said killing a child out of the womb is different than killing a child in the womb...one deserves all the protection the law has to offer and the other should just let mommy get away with murder.
I don't care how you dress it up, you do not believe that children in the womb deserve the same kind of protection that children out of the womb get.
You oppose personhood in the only way it could possibly be passed, you're really good at fooling yourself, but not so good at fooling me.
You personally approve of the kind of bc that kills a newly developed human being, so go peddle your proabortion wares on someone else.
Like I said, you've got some fooled...but, only some.
Carolemarie, put your hand in front of your face and look at it carefully....
does it look "vague" to you?
Because this:
is NOT vague!

reply from: carolemarie

[i
You've said killing a child out of the womb is different than killing a child in the womb...one deserves all the protection the law has to offer and the other should just let mommy get away with murder.
I never said that! I simply said they were different things. They are different. There is a difference between a 2 year old and a 8 week old developing baby.
I am for making performing an abortion against the law and jailing any Dr. who would perform one. Take away their medical licence and they will stop. Take the profit out of abortion and it ends.
As for bc, NOT EVERY PROLIFER AGREES WITH YOU ON IT. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT CAUSES ABORTIONS! THE ONLY PROOF YOU HAVE IS SPECULTION THAT THE THIRD METHOD EVER KICKS IN (hardening the lining so the embryo can't implant) From all the women who get pregnant on the pill, that one is hard to swallow!
Some of us do not want all the children we can have, so we take the pill to limit the family size, to give our bodies a rest between pregnancies and other things like that.
I

reply from: saucie

Killing a born child is no different than killing one growing in his or her mother's womb.
That you can't see that is a sad commentary on you! There is NO difference, they aren't different things. They are both MURDER.
Your back peddeling stinks.
You want to risk the very idea that a newly formed life is destroyed because YOU don't believe bc does that...and it's just not the "third mentod" that causes a new formed life to die. Get your facts straight.
You beitch about me going on speculation and that's EXACTLY what you're doing...you only HOPE the new life isn't destroyed. Take a chance on that you're still in the corner of proaborts.
And what about the IUD? You're for that too.
How big of you...you're "for" making abortion illegal, but let the very person who walks her child into the killing fields off the hook...that won't fly with God either.
You're fooling her into thinking her murderous heart is no problem, you're in effect an abortion enabler.
Take away the mother's ability to get away with murder and you'll stop even more abortions, but then that doesn't suit your agenda.

reply from: carolemarie

You need to consider the fact that to get the votes, you need the vote of the post abortive woman. She is not vote for something that wouldl send a woman to jail who did the exact same thing she did. That would be saying she deserves to go to jail. For that reason alone, she will never vote for it.
As for BC, I don't really worry about imaginary abortions. I worry about real ones like the 4,000 that took place today at clinics all over America. I am not a fan of the IUD, but I would rather a woman used BC then deliberatly had an abortion. I don't feel any guilt over using the pill, but I do feel guilt over choosing abortion. They are two very different things
And what would an fertilized egg in a petrie dish constitute under your amendment? A coma? A crime, would we force people to implant these eggs, even the ones that have genetic defects? Would in vitro be outlawed because of creating to many potiental babies that have no womb to implant them in?
What about a miscarriage, would we investigate those as potential homicides? What about smoking during pregnacy, would it be an attemped assualt?
And there is a difference between a baby in the womb and a born baby. Too bad you are so blind you can't admit that.

reply from: B0zo

The vast majority of prolife activists are not seeking punishment for the women, including priests and bishops, who speak for much of Christianity, as well as many non Catholic clergy and laity, though they might give you a call to get updated, since you claim to have a direct connection to the mind of God.

reply from: Banned Member

This thread is very disheartening to me. A lot of conflict could be put to rest if we could all agree that stopping abortions is the thing.. the only thing. This is what binds us and unites us and gives us strength. OK.. I'll shut up now.

reply from: Shenanigans

I think there's at least four other threads that have broken down into a "you're a poopy head" kind of discussion.
Its kinda sad really.
Sad like a puppy in a blender.

reply from: saucie

Nope...what's sad is that you can't just be 100% prolife, therefore you're part of the problem and will never be a part of the solution. You have to contrive red herrings to back up your point of view....that's not just sad, it's a real commentary on your weak pro-life beleifs.

reply from: B0zo

Tell that to the hundreds who are now living because of her "weak" prolife work saucie.
Tell them she's part of the problem.

reply from: Spinwubby

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So naturally you feel the same way about Sarah Palin, another "weak" prolifer?

reply from: B0zo

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So naturally you feel the same way about Sarah Palin, another "weak" prolifer?
John McCain is not 100% prolife, so he was part of the problem and not part of the solution, so he was not a viable candidate for a prolifer, according to saucie's logic.

reply from: Shenanigans

Not down here. Its damn raining! Almost summer my arse!

reply from: nancyu

You called yourself names when you came here. You can't condemn a man for merely repeating information you posted on an open forum. And your number 3 point blank proves you are not pro-life. This whole issue hinges on the fact that womb children are equal in humanity and personhood to born persons. That statment is totally inconsistant with a sincere pro-life stance. Both in actions,. words, and posts; you prove to be the deadly enemy of the womb child. There are three scalps on your belt to prove that one.
AGREEEEED.
So when we refer to you as a child exploiting harpy we are simply reiterating information you have given about yourself?
Naahhhh, when you refer to me as a child expoiting harpy you are just lying. I don't agree that carolemarie is a killer (I think she made up that story to get attention) I agree with this part of the post:
"... This whole issue hinges on the fact that womb children are equal in humanity and personhood to born persons. ..."

reply from: nancyu

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhh "a fertilized egg in a petrie dish????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????????????
Call it what it is!!! You are soooooooooooooo NOT prolife. The proper terminology is human embryo. In other words A HUMAN BEING.
If you can't call a human being by his respectful name, start calling yourself what you are. Wake up and call yourself what you are--A DYED IN THE WOOL PRO ABORT.
Everything you say practically screams it. Except your occasional --" but but, I'm pro life" everything you utter comes from the PP playbook.

reply from: Spinwubby

Originally posted by: nancyu
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhh "a fertilized egg in a petrie dish????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????????????
Call it what it is!!! You are soooooooooooooo NOT prolife. The proper terminology is human embryo. In other words A HUMAN BEING.
If you can't call a human being by his respectful name, start calling yourself what you are. Wake up and call yourself what you are--A DYED IN THE WOOL PRO ABORT.
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So someone like Sarah Palin who supports the use of the pill and the morning-after pill - both of which place a fertilized egg in peril - is also a dyed-in-the-wool proabort?

reply from: B0zo

Really?
I've never heard that PP playbook calls for prostesting at clinics and begging women to not abort.

reply from: nancyu

No, lamebrain. But another nice try at slander spincow --- now will you go away?
Carolemarie's support of birth control has little to do with my certainty that she is pro abort. My certainty comes from everything that she types. Especially her vow to fight "tooth and toenail" AGAINST personhood for unborn children, BECAUSE it MIGHT pose a THREAT to birth control.
I don't know Sarah Palin's positions, but my impression of her is that she is a much more reasonable person than carolemarie is. Maybe someday she will post here so we can all get to know her better. I certainly have never heard Sarah say that she would fight AGAINST personhood for unborn children. Have you?

reply from: B0zo

I think the fight was mainly against imprisoning or executing women for having had an abortion.
But I'm curious why a pro abort would protest at clinics and talk hundreds of women out of having abortions.
Seems contradictory, sort of.

reply from: Spinwubby

Originally posted by: nancyu
My certainty comes from everything that she types. Especially her vow to fight "tooth and toenail" AGAINST personhood for unborn children, BECAUSE it MIGHT pose a THREAT to birth control.
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...And the end of hormonal birth control would cause the number of abortions to SKYROCKET!
Carol is a smart lady.

reply from: carolemarie

once again, since you REFUSE to be acurate, I am aganist the amendment in the form it is written, I have no problem with saying unborn children are people. It isn't that I don't believe unborn children are people, I just don't like the way this leaves too many other things up to interpatation. It doesn't spell out penalties, it doesn't address the conflict the state would have in adopting this with its existing laws. It doesn't address the frozen embryos, in vitro, or a whole pile of other things. Not to mention BC as well. Not addressing that issue will cause the amendment to die.
A good bill is concise, and handles all the objections and problems in its wording. If the purpose of this bill is to ban abortion, then there should be items in there saying something like "nothing in this amendment should be construed to prohibit the use of birth control". This amendment is not going to work even if it ever passed. The state cant override the Supreme Courts rulings.
If you want to override the Supreme Court, you have to have a constitutional amendment. In spite of what people tell you, this is the truth.
These amendments are not going to do what you want to accomplish. All they do is give the other side more ammunition to say that more people support abortion, when they just don't support a vague and unconstitutional bill.

reply from: B0zo

I'm fairly certain nancyu is a PP plant, sent here with her fellow conpirator, saucie, to make prolifers look ignorant and mean, and therfore drive away those yet undecided.
There's something fishy about both of them, and I'm keeping a close eye on them.

reply from: BossMomma

You called yourself names when you came here. You can't condemn a man for merely repeating information you posted on an open forum. And your number 3 point blank proves you are not pro-life. This whole issue hinges on the fact that womb children are equal in humanity and personhood to born persons. That statment is totally inconsistant with a sincere pro-life stance. Both in actions,. words, and posts; you prove to be the deadly enemy of the womb child. There are three scalps on your belt to prove that one.
AGREEEEED.
So when we refer to you as a child exploiting harpy we are simply reiterating information you have given about yourself?
Naahhhh, when you refer to me as a child expoiting harpy you are just lying. I don't agree that carolemarie is a killer (I think she made up that story to get attention) I agree with this part of the post:
"... This whole issue hinges on the fact that womb children are equal in humanity and personhood to born persons. ..."
So says the woman who stated she would have ten more kids to help with housework and bills if she could. Everyone knows what you said, you can't lie when you left it in black and white.

reply from: faithman

Prove your staetment clown. Show us the backed up stats that prove this deadly she wolf has save even one womb child from death. And many of those supposed saves were alegedly done by using our cards. SSSSSSOOOOOOOO you get to run us into the ground simply because we repeat what this killer scanc has posted, but you ignore the literally hundreds of thousands of post cards, and 10's of thousands of posters we sent to the front for free. But you totally ignore the anti-baby statements of a proud street walker, who doesn't know a pro-life stance if it bit her. She has posted out and out admitted lies that put real life ministry in jeapardy, and vowed to fight A simple act of congress that would end abortion on demand in all 50 states. This miserable excuse for woman hood futher tries to confuse the issue, when post after post proves she does not know what she is talking about.http://montanaprolifecoalition.org/approach.htm. From the very beginning this has been about personhood. The quickest way to atribute personhood to the womb child is a simple act of congress.

reply from: faithman

We do not need the vote of the post abortive baby killing criminals to stop abortion on demand. That would be like saying we need to let bank robbers go in order to get their vote to pass anti bank robery Laws. Nor all post abortive follow your train of thought anyway. You are a very small voice, and should be silenced completely because you are not pro-life. You are either a very stupid pro-lifer, or a very clever pro-deather. Either way, you are the womb child's deadly enemy. SSSSOOOOOO sight all your pro-death little bunny trails to steal the focus. This is not about any of the pro-death crap that you have posted here. It is about the personhood of all human beings from the moment of conception. And by the way scanc, the law already punishes women for abusing pre-born children. http://montanaprolifecoalition.org/approach.htm

reply from: faithman

He could easily disagree with what he feels is a wrong idea without dredging up the sins of someone's past.
I've never seen that from a Christian before.
Because of his cruelty, he's totally not credible as a Christian or an advocate for the prolife cause, as far as I'm concerned, and I don't see how he could possibly be a positive influence. He blocks the door that he would say others should enter.
I don't get it.
But there's absolutely no reasoning with him. He's a brick wall.
Those "sins", were originally posted by the killer scanc herself. Don't post your dirty undies, then get offended when folks complain about the pro-death stench. When one flaunts evil as good, then we are duty bound to reprove it. Brick wall is absolutly correct. A wall that is built on the firm foundation of personhood for the pre-born child.

reply from: faithman

You are the biggest dumb ass I have ever seen. This post proves you are not pro-life. Not a bit of it is true. But you have proven that you would rather lie than tell the truth, and you don't care what real pro-life work you hurt doing it. And by the way dumb ass, what amenment is it that I suport? I suport the completely constitutional life at conception act. It does not take an amendment, or a court order to over turn roe. All it takes is an act of congress and a presidents signature. You are ignorant and should keep your stupid baby killing scanc mouth shut about things you don't seem to have the capasity to understand.
Do we have the votes? NO. Do we have a prolife president? NO. Even if we did the Supreme Court would rule it unconstitutional.
And even if they didn't, next election the prochoice lobby could seize control and repeal it!
We need a constitutional amendment. That stops the Supreme Court and a prochoice majority from changing it.
You are the one who doesn't understand how our system works.
1] We are getting closer to the votes needed dispite the efforts of phonies like you. 2] if the bill is written right, the court does not have the authority to over turn it, they have already admitted to such. An amendment takes years more time to pass, and threatens the very existance of our constitution. And for your info so you don't keep posting your obvious ignorance about how our government works, Amendments can be, and have been over turned in the past. [prohibition anyone?] You are just plane stupid, and prove it with every post.

reply from: faithman

Then post it scanc. Show us oh great and wise one, where it went wrong. Your lying pro-dath scanc behind has never read anything that is being presented. All you do is repeat planned parenthood propaganda. You are a killer scanc, and have proven so in word and deed. None of the legislation proposed at both the state, and federal level is anything you have slanderously said. http://montanaprolifecoalition.org/approach.htm. You are a lying pro death scum bag that is pretending to be pro-life to cause confussion. The personhood movement is a grass roots cause of people killers like you can not lie to or control anymore. You have been outed. The best thing for you to do is shut up. For you prove to be a blithering foolish idiot, or a pro-death subversive doing the bidding of Planned Parenthood. Either way, you are the deadly enemy of the womb child, with three scalps on your belt, and thousands more hung on your anti life voice.

reply from: nancyu

Whether or not she's smart has little to do with the fact that she's a pro abort.

reply from: nancyu

You called yourself names when you came here. You can't condemn a man for merely repeating information you posted on an open forum. And your number 3 point blank proves you are not pro-life. This whole issue hinges on the fact that womb children are equal in humanity and personhood to born persons. That statment is totally inconsistant with a sincere pro-life stance. Both in actions,. words, and posts; you prove to be the deadly enemy of the womb child. There are three scalps on your belt to prove that one.
AGREEEEED.
So when we refer to you as a child exploiting harpy we are simply reiterating information you have given about yourself?
Naahhhh, when you refer to me as a child expoiting harpy you are just lying. I don't agree that carolemarie is a killer (I think she made up that story to get attention) I agree with this part of the post:
"... This whole issue hinges on the fact that womb children are equal in humanity and personhood to born persons. ..."
So says the woman who stated she would have ten more kids to help with housework and bills if she could. Everyone knows what you said, you can't lie when you left it in black and white.
Haha. Yeah, I might concede your point IF my kids DID help with chores and bills, but Hah they don't...well my adult son does now that he is employed. He bought this lovely new computer monitor that I'm looking at and a brand new microwave. It's awesome!
My daughter helps with dishes now and then...I know, I'm so abusive.
Get off it BossMomma, you've got nothin' on me, and you know it.

reply from: BossMomma

You called yourself names when you came here. You can't condemn a man for merely repeating information you posted on an open forum. And your number 3 point blank proves you are not pro-life. This whole issue hinges on the fact that womb children are equal in humanity and personhood to born persons. That statment is totally inconsistant with a sincere pro-life stance. Both in actions,. words, and posts; you prove to be the deadly enemy of the womb child. There are three scalps on your belt to prove that one.
AGREEEEED.
So when we refer to you as a child exploiting harpy we are simply reiterating information you have given about yourself?
Naahhhh, when you refer to me as a child expoiting harpy you are just lying. I don't agree that carolemarie is a killer (I think she made up that story to get attention) I agree with this part of the post:
"... This whole issue hinges on the fact that womb children are equal in humanity and personhood to born persons. ..."
So says the woman who stated she would have ten more kids to help with housework and bills if she could. Everyone knows what you said, you can't lie when you left it in black and white.
Haha. Yeah, I might concede your point IF my kids DID help with chores and bills, but Hah they don't...well my adult son does now that he is employed. He bought this lovely new computer monitor that I'm looking at and a brand new microwave. It's awesome!
My daughter helps with dishes now and then...I know, I'm so abusive.
Get off it BossMomma, you've got nothin' on me, and you know it.
Oh yes, lets not forget your emotionally deprived daughter, the one who came crying to this board trying to get your attention. I have plenty on you, you're just to far in denial to accept it.

reply from: carolemarie

The referendum failed in Colorado, isn't being backed by major prolife groups. Why do you think that is?
To many open questions and the abortion lobby is exploiting those issues to defeat the amendment.
And our country isn't willing to ban BC! So it will never happen

reply from: Spinwubby

Originally posted by: nancyu
Haha. Yeah, I might concede your point IF my kids DID help with chores and bills, but Hah they don't...
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Then why did you write THIS?:
"You are avoiding the responsibility of having children aren't you? How many cars can you afford on your single income? How big of a home can you afford on your single income? How many steak dinners per week can you afford on your single income? What about your cable bill. Why is it that children are the first to be sacrificed because we "can't afford" them. What you really mean is that with more kids you might not have as many nice things right now.
Don't you get it? Does your state do its best to keep people from entering? No they want more people, because more people means a better stronger economy. Kids need to be financially supported for 18 years maybe a little less. My daughter had her first job at age 15. My son had a good paying job at age 17. If I had 10 more kids, I'd have 10 more now, to help pay the bills and help around the house. And it doesn't have to cost a fortune to feed children. There are plenty of ways to economize. Money saving tips in this thread "

reply from: Spinwubby

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Oh yeah...
Remember when she called her daughter a "drama queen" for posting that cry for help?
This would set off every bell and whistle in the head of a GOOD parent:
Hello, everyone.
I'm not on a lot, and I have other things to do besides argue on this website, but I have a problem that I need your help with. You all realize how often my mother is on this site, so you probably understand why I'm asking for help here, of all places.
Nancyu (my mother, for those of you who don't know me) may have mentioned that I'm applying for a study abroad program with AFS. I've had plans for this since the beginning of my freshman year last year, and I've finally put it into action, sending in the preliminary application in January. At this point my application is nearly finished - I have a letter to write to a potential host family, then some references for scholarships at school. I've worked my ass off to get what I can together, and I have nearly all the forms filled out and signed as they need to be. There are a couple problems though.
The first is my passport. My mom filled out the paperwork for it, we just need to set up an appointment to finish the process. The second is the health forms, which need to be filled out by my doctor.
The reasons these are problems: I recently got an e-mail from an AFS representative telling me that the deadline is March 20, when I previously believed it was April 10. I don't know how long it'll take for the passport to go through, but that's not my concern of the moment. My doctor's appointment is March 27, a week over the deadline, and she refuses to do anything about it. I talked to a friend of mine about this and she told me their physician can get in appointments as soon as you need to, because the place is smaller. I told my mom this and she said there was already an appointment. I brought up how it's over the deadline, and asked if she could at call our doctor to get me in sooner. She said several things to the effect of "if they aren't flexible enough to do that, I don't want you doing the program." I said that deadlines are there for a reason (on the program I've chosen, some programs are even filled before the deadline, making it even more important to get my application in sooner than the deadline). She said "deadlines are there to get things moving" and left it at that. Then later she said, "If it's so important to you, go move in with Emily, then maybe the world will revolve around you."
I've wanted to do this program - to be on my own in a different culture - for even longer than I've thought about the possibility of foreign exchange. It's important to me. Important enough that I would sell anything I have that's worth anything to get the money, I would burn all my books and leave everything behind, if it meant I would get this year away from home. I try to talk to my mom about things like this all the time, but she's too absorbed in other things - this site, for example - and I can never get her to listen. I'll be falling apart in my room, bawling my eyes out, and I try to tell my mom what's wrong and she'll sigh and walk away because I'm distracting her from something "important."
I've never told anyone this - I've almost commited suicide. None of my friends know, none of my family knows, not anyone, and I feel sick and stupid for ever even considering such a cowardly way out of my problems. I went in the woods, found a point in the brook that was a couple feet deep, and I almost drowned myself, because the only person I can always talk to won't even listen half the time when I try to talk to her. I'm a lesbian, but I'm too scared to tell her because of the things she's said to me about homosexuality, as well as some really rude and ignorant comments about the member Vexing here at some point. I feel like a coward knowing that she will read this, that this is how I will come out to her, but I don't know how to say it otherwise. I never felt like she respected me. If we talk, and I agree with her, she's fine, but she argues so fervently the moment I disagree on a single point that I feel like I've become an enemy, like another person to yell at on this forum for having a different opinion.
I'm sorry for all of you if this got whiny and ranty at the end. But I need an opinion, an idea of what to do. It goes deeper than the exchange program, or my sexuality. I can't talk to my own mother, because she has her own concerns. Maybe she's right, and I'm willing to admit that the way I've been acting might be selfish. But this program has been on my mind for so long, and she's expecting to let it slip out of my reach because she's too lazy to make a phone call. I don't know if any of you can help, but if you know what I can say to her, I'll be thankful.

reply from: Shenanigans

IS that really her daughter? I mean, it seems odd she's affraid to tell her "mum" that she's gay and then she posts it on a site she knows her mum "spends all her time at".
And seriously, if the girl is old enough to go on an exchange, and old enough to rant on the internet, then surely she's old enough to make her own doctor's appointment.

reply from: Banned Member

Nancy never denied it.

reply from: Banned Member

All this airing out of other people's dirty laundry and this true confessing puts me in a mind to come out with a little truth about myself.
Please don't hold this against me but I can't hold this in any longer. The truth that I've hidden from the world for so long is, and please don't hate me, but the truth is.. I eat paste! sob, sob, sob...

reply from: saucie

What comes after ROFLMAO???

reply from: broken

Since we cannot pass some law to stop the killing taking place at the abortuaries that are still open the nation continues to decline. It is the work of the Creator. Things should get much worse since we have not acknowledged His judgment thus far. Legalized child killing by abortion brings His wrath upon us. The generation we let live is being destroyed before our eyes. We are being controlled, robbed and run by criminals and are unable to do anything to stop it. We face disaster all around because we do not stop the innocent bloodshed in our midst. We are seeing the results in our towns, cities and states. Confusion is being used to allow us to judge ourselves. There does not appear to be a way to turn away His hand since we have rejected His rulership. There is not much to be accomplished through argument at this point because He is the One we have made our Enemy.

reply from: faithman

Oh gosh!!!! Haven't you gotten the memo? God ain't mad at any body He just LLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVVVVVVEEEESSSSSSSSSS everybody. Even the whore dressing killer of three knows that.....SSSSSHHHHHEEEESSS

reply from: broken

Individuals who turn from sin and seek His mercy and forgiveness through faith in His Son become His children. To accuse of sins that He has forgiven and forgotten is recorded in His Word as the work of the accuser.
Your posts are slanderous and abusive and personal attacks. You should be banned from posting on that basis alone.

reply from: faithman

Good luck with that one. And when you get your panties unbunched, you will see that what I am saying is true.

reply from: BossMomma

Welcome to the board sweet heart.

reply from: faithman

Who exactly have I slandered? Slander means to tell mis-truths. I agree that sins should be forgotten, not used as a badge of honor to justify the slaughter of innocent womb children. I have not accused anyone of anything. I have merely reacted to their own words. Don't post things, and then accuse someone of slander because they react to the info at hand. You are the one who has falsly accused me, and are thus the one who is guilty of slander here. Beam, Eye?

reply from: BossMomma

Good luck with that one. And when you get your panties unbunched, you will see that what I am saying is true.
Oh do shut up faithmonkey, you're as pro-life as Caryfairy and everyone with a functioning cerebellum knows it. You drive people away from the cause, you condone murder and, you do nothing to pro-actively stop or reduce abortion. Get off your noise, get out from under your bridge and get gone.

reply from: faithman

Good luck with that one. And when you get your panties unbunched, you will see that what I am saying is true.
Oh do shut up faithmonkey, you're as pro-life as Caryfairy and everyone with a functioning cerebellum knows it. You drive people away from the cause, you condone murder and, you do nothing to pro-actively stop or reduce abortion. Get off your noise, get out from under your bridge and get gone.
Doth says the unclean house bull dyke. SSSSSOOOOOO you "choose" to ignore the thousands of pieces of material produced, and the many testamonies to the contrary? What have you actually done besides post pictures of your filthy house?

reply from: BossMomma

Good luck with that one. And when you get your panties unbunched, you will see that what I am saying is true.
Oh do shut up faithmonkey, you're as pro-life as Caryfairy and everyone with a functioning cerebellum knows it. You drive people away from the cause, you condone murder and, you do nothing to pro-actively stop or reduce abortion. Get off your noise, get out from under your bridge and get gone.
Doth says the unclean house bull dyke. SSSSSOOOOOO you "choose" to ignore the thousands of pieces of material produced, and the many testamonies to the contrary? What have you actually done besides post pictures of your filthy house?
Doth says? LMFAO! Don't try Shakespeare you poor dolt, you should try hooked on Phonix. I have never posted pics of a filthy house, just one messy counter in the background of a pic of my well dressed toddler in her clean highchair. And the word so contains two letters, an S and an O, not a combination of two or three of each. On that note, get an education you homophobic slack jawed pro-death misogynist.


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