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Prove Planned Parenthood is racist

by: cleoB

You are all so gullible to believe that Planned Parenthood is a racist organization !
Have any of you nuts every visited a Planned Parenthood or should I say, would you even admit it ? Sure, they have locations in minority neighborhoods. THAT IS WHERE IT IS NEEDED MOST! Who do you think is having babies that no one can afford? They help women , especially Black Women ! Stop all this Maafa crap- that is just a smokescreen that you use to spread your anti-choice lies.

reply from: MC3

You two animals are just whistling past the graveyard. Check back when you've actually seen Maafa 21.

reply from: cleoB

Why doesn't Life Dynamics take their film crew to the Sudan if they want to cry about Genocide? I love Margaret Sanger- if it wasn't for her, we'd have to many kids running around that no one can afford and many would be Black- no doubt. It is not genocide- it is economics and these antis should start thinking about born people.

reply from: sk1bianca

ya know what? i personally believe that humans should breed within their race (and i don't care if anyone calls me a "racist"). i like diversity. but i would never assume that there are "inferior" races, "sub-humans" that should be extinct or sh*t like that.
margaret sanger wanted people eliminated because they were black or imperfect. that's sick.
she didn't even have the guts to apply her ideas to born people. she probably figured that as long as they are unborn nobody will give a sh*t.

reply from: cleoB

Zigots aren't people !

reply from: sk1bianca

here we go again!... the magical changing of species! waaahooo!!!...

reply from: MC3

CleoB,
First, we didn't need to go to the Sudan to find Black Genocide. We found it right here.
Second, civilized societies don't execute innocent and helpless people for economic reasons.
Third, I've no doubt that, as someone who is pro-choice, you love Margaret Sanger. Her morally bankrupt and racial eugenics ideas have made her the perfect hero for contemporary proponents of child sacrifice.
Fourth, what the devil are "Zigots?" It sounds to me like you've watched far too many Star Trek re-runs. Perhaps it's time to come up from your mom's basement and get a life.
SK1Bianca,
I ask you to re-think your post. The simple belief that, "humans should breed within their race" is, by definition, an acknowledgement that you find some races superior to others. I'm trust that you don't mean it that way, but sometimes it is necessary for us to re-examine our views to see if they were formed from experiences or observations that were incorrect in the first place. As I have become older, I have had to do this many times and have often discovered that some of my attitudes and opinions were born from either immaturity or ignorance - and sometimes both.
As for this particular issue, I would ask you whether you are uncomfortable with the idea that Moses was married to a black woman?

reply from: sk1bianca

not superior or inferior. different. there's nothing wrong with being different. being obsessed with a certain race is bad (look what it did to michael jackson).
i simply believe that races should be preserved somehow, for the sake of diversity. i think it would be a pity if, let's say in 100 years, we would all end up looking the same. it is my personal opinion and has nothing to do with other people. if moses married a black woman, good for him. she must have been a lovely person.

reply from: cleoB

Sanger had great morals - she believed in a individual choice.

reply from: sk1bianca

sanger's http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/AbortionPictures/26.html.

reply from: cleoB

Again - I ask you where is your proof that Planned Parenthood is racist ?

reply from: VickiB

You ask where the proof is, I'll tell you. It's on Maafa 21.
Because I have always been opposed to abortion, I have never been a supporter of Planned Parenthood. But I never saw them as the incarnation of evil as so many other claim. That is why Maafa 21 was such a shock to me. I have no way of knowing whether it will overcome your prejudice in favor of Planned Parenthood, but the facts are there.

reply from: cleoB

So I have to buy something to get proof? If it is so outstanding why isn't everyone talking about it and why haven't I heard anyone explain what it says?

reply from: churchmouse

No not gullible.......you are naive and dont want to see it. The proof is there if you would open your eyes.
I have visited PP many times. The first time I went they helped me kill my baby. The next times were undercover to get information.
They help women by killing their babies for them. And they are making huge profits. I picket each year the celebration PP has each January. They have it in the one of the nicest resorts in Scottsdale. They drive fancy cars and wear fancy clothes. Its hilarious as they speed by our signs and those who are praying. Last year two cars bumped fenders in the parking lot trying to avoid the pictures.
Our governor Napolitano slumped down in her seat so no citizen could see her go through the gates.

reply from: churchmouse

Then you also loved Hitler right? SAnger loved Hitler and they shared the same ideals. It is to bad that you share them too. Did you know she used to preach her hatred at KKK meetings?
Here is your hero.
http://www.margaretsanger.blogspot.com/

And they not only condone abortion they condone a lot more than that. THEY HAVE AN AGENDA.
Planned Parenthood's week-long conference for children, "Nobody's Fool," held in Waco, Texas in July of 2004, attracted 350 youngsters. The conference, open to children from grades five through nine, or 10 to 14 years old, banned parents from attending. American Life League's STOPP International executive director, Jim Sedlak, called the conference a "thinly veiled attack on parental rights, public morality, and the health and well-being of our children." For the $5 admission charge, children in grades seven through nine also received a free copy of the book, It's Perfectly Normal (by Robie H. Harris), an 89-page primer of sexually-explicit, nude illustrations (71 of them) meant to teach children the tools for engaging in sexual acts, including masturbation. "This so-called 'educational text' is nothing more than pornography in comic book form," Sedlak said. Some examples from the text include, "The ancient Greeks thought that love between two men was the highest form of love" (p.17). According to instructions on page 73 of the text, "There are many reasons why a female or a couple might want or need to end a pregnancy," The ninth reason is listed as "female did not intend to become pregnant." [Source: WorldNetDaily.com, "Planned Parenthood gives kids 'porn' book," 7/17/04.]
They hate minorities, they target your children.
In 1939 (10/19/39), Sanger wrote Clarence Gamble, instructing him to hire "three or four colored ministers with engaging personalities ... we do not want word to get out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it occurs to any of their more rebellious members." (Source: Linda Gordon, Women's Body, Women's Right, A Social History of Birth Control in America, p. 333.) Another commentator notes, "Sanger frequently featured racists and eugenicists in her magazine, the Birth Control Review. Contributor Lothrop Stoddard, who also served on Sanger's board of directors, wrote in The Rising Tide of Color Against White World-Supremacy that 'We must resolutely oppose both Asiatic permeation of white race-areas and Asiatic inundation of those non-white, but equally non-Asiatic regions inhabited by the really inferior races.' Each issue of the Birth Control Review was packed with such ideas. But Sanger was not content merely to publish racist propaganda; the magazine also made concrete policy proposals, such as the creation of 'moron communities,' the forced production of children by the 'fit,' and the compulsory sterilization and even elimination of the 'unfit.'"
"Sanger's own racist views were scarcely less opprobrious. In 1939, she and Clarence Gamble made an infamous proposal called 'Birth Control and the Negro,' which asserted that 'the poorer areas, particularly in the South ... are producing alarmingly more than their share of future generations.' Her 'religion of birth control' would, she wrote, 'ease the financial load of caring for with public funds ... children destined to become a burden to themselves, to their family, and ultimately to the nation.'" (Source: "The Repackaging of Margaret Sanger," Steven W. Mosher, The Wall Street Journal, May 5, 1997.)
The quotes of Sanger and her colleagues' show a tremendous affinity for the ideals espoused by Hitler's Germany:
"While striving to limit the propagation of mental defectives and others grossly unfit, and guarding mothers from dangerous or excessive childbearing, we physicians would be grievously remiss if we failed to follow the recommendation of the most impressive of the birth control conferences, the one held in New York in 1925, that 'persons whose progeny gives promise of being of decided value to the community should be encouraged to bear as large families as they feasibly can.'" [Robert L. *****inson. "On the Control of Conception," Birth Control Review, Volume XV, Number 1 (January 1931), p. 5.]
Humanists declared Sanger "humanist of the year" in 1957.

reply from: faithman

Because you are a blind deaf pro-death dumb a$$, and refuses to look at the clips provided on this forum. You can't help the willingly ignorant. This one is on you punk. You can also go to YOUTUBE, and type in MAAFA21 in the search engine. The information is there if you were interested. But all you are interested in is killing babies.

reply from: faithman

For all those pro-death punks who haven't the courage to view the preview. http://maafa21.com/ Here is the info. So don't mouth ofrf about it not being made availiable to you for free. Here it is!!!!!!

reply from: faithman

Proof of the racist bent of pro-death scumbag maggot bortheads. Can't have to many of "those" people running around. It would be laughable if weren't SSSSSOOOOOO sad.....

reply from: ProChoiceProud

It's been a while since I posted but I drop by every now and then to see what's going on with the anti-choice idiot brigade. I rarely post but I couldn't resist this one. I haven't seen Maafa 21 and I probably won't. What's the point since I wouldn't believe anything Mark Crutcher put out anyway. If what I hear is right, now he claiming that someone has to be a racist and pushing black genocide to be pro-choice. That is crap. I used to work for Planned Parenthood and I can tell you that ....... PLANNED PARENTHOOD RULES!!!!!

reply from: churchmouse

Here are some quotes by your hero.
http://www.eadshome.com/MargaretSanger.htm

"The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."
Margaret Sanger (editor). The Woman Rebel, Volume I, Number 1. Reprinted in Woman and the New Race. New York: Brentanos Publishers, 1922.
"Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race."
Margaret Sanger. Woman, Morality, and Birth Control. New York: New York Publishing Company, 1922. Page 12.
"Eugenic sterilization is an urgent need ... We must prevent multiplication of this bad stock."
Margaret Sanger, April 1933 Birth Control Review.
"Eugenics is ... the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems.
Margaret Sanger. "The Eugenic Value of Birth Control Propaganda." Birth Control Review, October 1921, page 5.
As an advocate of birth control I wish ... to point out that the unbalance between the birth rate of the 'unfit' and the 'fit,' admittedly the greatest present menace to civilization, can never be rectified by the inauguration of a cradle competition between these two classes. In this matter, the example of the inferior classes, the fertility of the feeble-minded, the mentally defective, the poverty-stricken classes, should not be held up for emulation....
On the contrary, the most urgent problem today is how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective.
Margaret Sanger. "The Eugenic Value of Birth Control Propaganda." Birth Control Review, October 1921, page 5.
"Our failure to segregate morons who are increasing and multiplying ... demonstrates our foolhardy and extravagant sentimentalism ... [Philanthropists] encourage the healthier and more normal sections of the world to shoulder the burden of unthinking and indiscriminate fecundity of others; which brings with it, as I think the reader must agree, a dead weight of human waste. Instead of decreasing and aiming to eliminate the stocks that are most detrimental to the future of the race and the world, it tends to render them to a menacing degree dominant ... We are paying for, and even submitting to, the dictates of an ever-increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all."
Margaret Sanger. The Pivot of Civilization, 1922. Chapter on "The Cruelty of Charity," pages 116, 122, and 189. Swarthmore College Library edition.
"The undeniably feeble-minded should, indeed, not only be discouraged but prevented from propagating their kind."
Margaret Sanger, quoted in Charles Valenza. "Was Margaret Sanger a Racist?" Family Planning Perspectives, January-February 1985, page 44.
"The marriage bed is the most degenerative influence in the social order..."
Margaret Sanger (editor). The Woman Rebel, Volume I, Number 1. Reprinted in Woman and the New Race. New York: Brentanos Publishers, 1922.
"[Our objective is] unlimited sexual gratification without the burden of unwanted children..."
Margaret Sanger (editor). The Woman Rebel, Volume I, Number 1. Reprinted in Woman and the New Race. New York: Brentanos Publishers, 1922.
"As we celebrate the 100th birthday of Margaret Sanger, our outrageous and our courageous leader, we will probably find a number of areas in which we may find more about Margaret Sanger than we thought we wanted to know..."
Faye Wattleton, Past-president of Planned Parenthood
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood, proposed the American Baby Code that states, "No woman shall have the legal right to bear a child... without a permit for parenthood".
Margaret Sanger, Founder of Planned Parenthood, proposed the Population Congress with the aim, "...to give certain dysgenic groups in our population their choice of segregation or sterilization."
Tell me.......who does Sanger include in the cleaner race?
Who does she refer to as the "bad stock'?
Who are the feeble-minded and the morons?
Who are the mentally and physically defective?
What does she mean by "dead weight of human waste"?
AND YOU SAY SHE IS YOUR HERO............
God sees no color only a persons heart. He created us all in His image. So there is nothing wrong with inter-racial marriage. What God commands us to do, is to marry someone who is equally yoked.

reply from: 4choice4all

I don't understand how someone could say Margaret Sanger had great morals. I do believe that eugenics was "fashionable" and many people that were not evil were caught up in the eugenics movement. We also need to realize what the world looked like to them at the time. The vicious cycle of poverty and utter lack of education....it was breeding more poverty. The short sided(and void of love) answer to some seemed like "better breeding". Thankfully people realized that the humane and loving solution was to increase a social safety net to drive out poverty.
I'm grateful that she spearheaded the promotion of family planning and birth control for women.
I don't want to throw the baby out iwth the bathwater. Some of our founding father's had the skeletons of slavery in their closets. Sometimes good people are victims of their times.

reply from: churchmouse

"It's been a while since I posted but I drop by every now and then to see what's going on with the anti-choice idiot brigade. I rarely post but I couldn't resist this one. I haven't seen Maafa 21 and I probably won't. What's the point since I wouldn't believe anything Mark Crutcher put out anyway. If what I hear is right, now he claiming that someone has to be a racist and pushing black genocide to be pro-choice. That is crap. I used to work for Planned Parenthood and I can tell you that ....... PLANNED PARENTHOOD RULES!!!!!"
Good we don't need you here because you wont even consider the evidence of the subject we are talking about. How close minded is that?
You wont see Maafa because then you will be faced with facts. And these facts might shatter your believe system. Its better and more fun to hate isnt it?
And you hate unborn children, that much is obvious. Mark put this documentary together the facts speak for themselves. Its nothing he manufactured, nothing he made up. The film is full of factual evidence of what you say does not exsist.
Are you racist? What do you think of the quotes I posted from Sangers own lips? Do they bother you at all?
I dont think you ever worked for PP, I think you are lying and here only to have fun and stir the pot.
You always should know what your enemy is doing. Pro-life work is your enemy and I would think you would want to know exactly what we are up to. By not watching this film shows you are afraid and you cant cope.

reply from: 4choice4all

If Maafa were free on the internet...I'd happily watch. I'm just not giving money to MC or LD.

reply from: cleoB

So that is your proof PP is racist??? Hmmm- Weak !
You went there and paid for a procedure which you git and now you want to blame them for your decision. That is what I love about the antis- they always blame everyone else !

reply from: cleoB

Because you are a blind deaf pro-death dumb a$$, and refuses to look at the clips provided on this forum. You can't help the willingly ignorant. This one is on you punk. You can also go to YOUTUBE, and type in MAAFA21 in the search engine. The information is there if you were interested. But all you are interested in is killing babies.
Those "clips" prove nothing to me. I am interested ina woman's right to choose, you call it babies and you say it is racist - not me!

reply from: faithman

Then watch it. I have posted links. It is on Youtube. http://maafa21.com/

reply from: cleoB

Proof of the racist bent of pro-death scumbag maggot bortheads. Can't have to many of "those" people running around. It would be laughable if weren't SSSSSOOOOOO sad.....
If I am racist to say that a women who cannot afford a kid shouldn't have one- you are nuts! Who is gonna pay for all those kids running around - I certainly do not want to. Look, people have protection and if they are to dumb to use it- then they should have the option to have an abortion if they want one. I do not force them to have abortions, I just support their rights to against ignorants like you!

reply from: faithman

Because you are a blind deaf pro-death dumb a$$, and refuses to look at the clips provided on this forum. You can't help the willingly ignorant. This one is on you punk. You can also go to YOUTUBE, and type in MAAFA21 in the search engine. The information is there if you were interested. But all you are interested in is killing babies.
Those "clips" prove nothing to me. I am interested ina woman's right to choose, you call it babies and you say it is racist - not me!
Self deluded racist pro-death scum like you has a prob facing the fact of just what low life's they are. Completely undestandable why you are willingly blind.

reply from: cleoB

How come none of these come from MAAFA21 ? Besides, isn't the issue we are debating here the racism of Planned Parenthood? Why do you grasp at quotes from years past?

reply from: churchmouse

No throwing it out with the bathwater would be humane.....you do much more than that, you like dismemberment.
And I do not agree that owning slaves was right. I would have called them out on that as well.
At one time slavery was legal and moral. Are you implying that the times were right, that you would have agreed to slavery?
Don't blame the times that is a cop out. Right is right and murder will always be murder. It was wrong in Adam and Eves time and it has never changed.

reply from: churchmouse

CLEO YOU SAID SANGER WAS YOUR HERO.
SO WHAT DO YOU THINK OF HER QUOTES?
I KNEW YOU WOULD AVOID THEM. LOL
NOW ANSWER THEM.............
Tell me.......who does Sanger include in the cleaner race?
Who does she refer to as the "bad stock'?
Who are the feeble-minded and the morons?
Who are the mentally and physically defective?
What does she mean by "dead weight of human waste"?
Why do you think your hero founded PP?
You think she loves blacks? Hell she spoke at KKKs for crying out loud.
Wake up .............

reply from: churchmouse

"If I am racist to say that a women who cannot afford a kid shouldn't have one- you are nuts! Who is gonna pay for all those kids running around - I certainly do not want to. Look, people have protection and if they are to dumb to use it- then they should have the option to have an abortion if they want one. I do not force them to have abortions, I just support their rights to against ignorants like you!"
You are a racist if you think Sanger is a hero. She was a racist in every shape and form. Her quotes and her actions prove this to be true.
She did not target whites for abortion. And if you stand at PP outside and watch the majority of the women going in......the majority are black and hispanic. More minority babies have died than any other race.
Hitler felt the same way......he felt anyone that was not healthy and white, and who was a burdon on society should die. Sanger has killed more than Hitler every thought of killing.

reply from: cleoB

Sanger helped women exercise their rights. If she spoke for the KKK, I have yet to see ANY Proof of that and a list of quotes from some quacky anti-choice website doesn't prove they are sangers. But- even is she was a racist - so what? So was Nixon- ARE YOU A REPUBLICAN?

reply from: Banned Member

What is your reason for thinking that people should 'breed' within their own race? You believe in diversity, but a segregated sort of diversity, huh? That makes no sense to me at all.

reply from: Banned Member

If more African-American & Hispanic babies are aborted than any other, it's not because PP is racist, it's because those are the women who are going in for abortions. No one is forcing or coercing based on their race. The people who want to say it is all a racist conspiracy are the same people that think that the only reason there are liquor stores in the ghetto is to keep the black man down. It's stupid. Businesses set up shop where they are wanted or needed. No one is forcing black women to abort, just like no one forces a black alcoholic to drink.
And I find it riotous that you pro-lifers ( who are the most outspoken ) are the ones to scream about racism while a thread about how evil Islam, and/or homosexuals are is never to far away. I've seen more racism & prejudice on this forum than anywhere else in my life....& I'm from southern Kansas, so that says a lot.

reply from: MC3

CleoB,
The pro-life movement has never once said that any woman should have to have a kid. Never. What we do say is that a woman should not be allowed to kill her kid. And when a woman is pregnant, it is a biological fact that she has a kid. So the issue is not whether she will "have the child." She has no choice but to "have the child." They only question is whether she will have a dead one or a live one.
In Maafa 21, one of the points we document is that the wealthy white elitists who have always controlled the eugenics movement, and continue to do so to this day, were motivated by both racial and economic factors. Even though you would no doubt rail against the suggestion that your devotion to abortion is at least partially fueled by race, whether that is true or not you have at least admitted that it is motivated by economics. That is a fundamental tenet of eugenics. Moreover, it makes you no different than Margaret Sanger and the collection of moral degenerates with whom she surrounded herself.
As for your questioning of Sanger's affiliation with the Klan, she talks about it in her autobiography of which I have a copy. Regarding Nixon, you should be happy to learn that he plays a significant role in Maafa 21.

reply from: MC3

It seems that we can now add clairvoyance to the vast catalogue of talents possessed by our enemies. In mere nanoseconds, they have the ability to figure out exactly what's in a 2-hour documentary. You have to admit, that's pretty impressive.

reply from: nancyu

It's on youtube dough-head.

reply from: nancyu

Yup. Very impressive.

reply from: 4choice4all

Nancyu...I found clips on youtube....I want my 21 minutes back,lol. It reminded me of every other conspiracy theory "film" I've watched. It was the rantings of many on this board put to film....paying actors to narrate your delusional assertions doesn't make them more truthful.

reply from: MC3

4Choice4All,
If you think for one moment that these YouTube clips tell you what Maafa 21 is about, you are even a bigger idiot than I thought.
And that possibility boggles the mind.

reply from: cleoB

Hear Hear ! BTW- I have my 21 minutes because I would not be so ignorant to watch that anti crap to begin with. Not to worry- there are no converts from this film. If you watched it you were already pro-fetus.

reply from: cleoB

Yup. Very impressive.
I have it figured out- NOTHING new is in that documentary, just fetus-loving bullsh@t

reply from: 4choice4all

What...first you tell me to watch them...then I watch them and you say I can't comment on them? If you posted clips that show your film in a poor light....and then promote those clips...who's the idiot?
Look...calling it a documentary is a stretch...a documentary should be "factually objective"....from what I've seen..this doesn't qualify.

reply from: nancyu

So baby killing is needed most in black neighborhoods? Why is that? Please tell me more.

reply from: sander

So baby killing is needed most in black neighborhoods? Why is that? Please tell me more.
I'm sure the prime example of proabort thinking, prochoiceinny can answer that fully.
See my sig.

reply from: Shenanigans

Yeah! Exactly!
Just like if it wasn't for Hitler there'd be plenty more people running around. Just think how many mouths and resources the kids of those 7 odd million non-persons could have churned out!!

reply from: sander

Yeah! Exactly!
Just like if it wasn't for Hitler there'd be plenty more people running around. Just think how many mouths and resources the kids of those 7 odd million non-persons could have churned out!!
The proabort's RACIST slips are showing.
Truly these people are utterly contemptible.

reply from: MC3

CleoB,
You assert that, "NOTHING new is in that documentary, just fetus-loving bullsh@t."
Of course, since you haven't seen it you have nothing factual upon which to base that conclusion. Of course, facts are not necessary for the pro-choice mindset; prejudice works just fine. In reality, Maafa 21 contains a ton of new information. You will also find that it contains little, in fact almost nothing, about the unborn.
4Choice4All,
You are coming more unhinged by the moment.
YOU SAY: "...first you tell me to watch them
THE FACT: I never told you to watch them.
YOU SAY: "...you say I can't comment on them?"
THE FACT: I never said anything of the sort.
YOU SAY: "...you posted clips that show your film in a poor light."
THE FACT: I challenge you to find a professional filmmaker who will say that is true.
YOU SAY: "...and then promote those clips."
THE FACT: We're not promoting the clips; we're promoting the DVD.
YOU SAY: "...calling it a documentary is a stretch...a documentary should be factually objective...from what I've seen...this doesn't qualify."
THE FACT: You have not seen enough of it to even remotely make such a judgment. If that is not true, tell me what you've seen that is not accurate.
YOU ASK: "...who's the idiot?
THE FACT: Given the above, I'd say the answer is obvious.

reply from: lukesmom

Like all those killed in the last 36 years by legalized murder otherwise known as abortion.

reply from: siri

I'm not glad Margaret Sanger spearheaded anything. It did, does, and will set back the cause of family planning for a long time. Allies like that we don't need. As for people being "caught up" in eugenics because it was fashionable in their time, we are responsible for our own beliefs and our own actions. That a lot of people are doing or believing something is not ultimately a moral excuse, although it may mitigate our culpability SLIGHTLY. Are you implying to be evil one has to work completely alone? Then hardly anyone would qualify, including Hitler, who was most definitely not alone. My dad is Jewish. I am very, very angered, disgusted and horrified by this individual and it makes me distrust the organization founded in her name (Planned Parenthood). I am going to do further research.
Having said that...there are antifeminists in the black nationalist movement who would deny black women the right to make decisions about their own fertility (or shame them out of it) and this is equally wrong. To force women to give birth and to force them to abort are both wrong. Real prochoice people oppose both. This film needs to be seen, and then some of the problems with it need to be challenged. But I agree that first, the film just needs to be seen.
It's too bad that so many in the prolife movement--atleast if I can judge the rank and file by the people who post on this site--are so extreme and derogatory toward people in the prochoice movement. The hatred toward prochoice people makes prochoice people less likely to see any film that you recommend.

reply from: churchmouse

You no doubt are a racist. Those quotes are documented by historians and they are true. You cant handle the truth. You ignorance of this subject is amazing.
They are unbelievable aren't they. You know if the debate was over the Constitution..., you would not hesitate to quote our Founding Fathers would you? A lot of historical people are quoted today even though they lived hundreds and hundreds of years ago. But since Sanger said such racist and terrible things your side does not want to hear it and you play dumb. She said what she said and history records it as such.
Sanger hated blacks. She like Hitler and Darwin thought they were inferior and wanted them eliminated to make a pure race.
Honey you probably are not smart enought to find it on u tube. LOL
The fact is your afraid...it will blow your theories.
Sure you can comment and I would love it if you would tackle the quote I gave from Sanger. What do ya think?
What was not objective about the film?
Gotta love this reply........Bravo Mark.

reply from: ProInformed

Oh great yet another uninformed, anti-informed chanting choicist... yawn
Hey, here's an idea:
Why don't you do your own online search for info about PP's history, Margaret Sanger, and the history of the eugenics movement?
Visit the Black Genocide website and see what they have to say about PP and Sanger's tactic of using black spokespersons to prevent blacks from catching on that they are being targeted as "human weeds" (Sanger's words) to be eliminated.
READ Sanger's books for yourself.
READ for yourself the goals and philosophies of Hitlers eugenicists who Sanger INVITED to write articles for her publication.
LEARN about Sanger's 'Negro Project' and how she spoke at KKK rallies.
So you visited a PP clinic and therefore you think you now know what PP is all about?!?
Um, you're kidding right?
Check out the history of PP AND the recent racism scandals they'be been involved in - like agreeing to accept donations SPECIFICALLY for the purpose to target black babies!
Do your own internet search on 'Planned Parent Racism Scandal'.
The pro-lifers aren't asking anyone to just take our word for it, to just blindly trust what we say, check it out for yourself - LEARN and THINK for yourself.

reply from: cleoB

So baby killing is needed most in black neighborhoods? Why is that? Please tell me more.
It is needed where poor people cannot afford to keep the kids - BLACK OR WHITE!

reply from: cleoB

Yeah! Exactly!
Just like if it wasn't for Hitler there'd be plenty more people running around. Just think how many mouths and resources the kids of those 7 odd million non-persons could have churned out!!
What does Hitler have to do with choice? Hitler killed unwilling people, no one is forcing women into gas chambers? Besides - Hitler was anti-abortion - he was in your camp !

reply from: cleoB

I haven't heard anything new - yet. Spill it !

reply from: cleoB

Because all those so-called facts are from anti-choice websites. I am open minded - but I am not gullible.

reply from: sander

Because all those so-called facts are from anti-choice websites. I am open minded - but I am not gullible.
You're not gulliable, you're an ignoramus who "chooses" to stay that way.
You could do your own search, then REFUTE what the "anti-choice" websites say, but you won't, because then you'll have to swallow the ugly truth that you've believed the lies and have supported the most vile humans and ideas ever concieved. Which would make YOU one of them.

reply from: sander

Embarassing to watch and yet you watch.
What's embarassing is the likes of you and your fellow haters.
Nobody is doing the things you mentioned, we're just pointing out the flaws of the entier PP organization and abortion rights in general
Grow the hell up.

reply from: sander

I get plenty of sunshine....it's just that you vile creatures, the ones who support, particpate in and facilitate killing defensless babies tends to bring the claws out....I'm a woman, we're naturally offended at children getting killed.
Get over it, deal with or shut the hell up. <--------There's the kind of sunshine you deserve.

reply from: MC3

CleoB,
You stated, "What does Hitler have to do with choice? Hitler killed unwilling people, no one is forcing women into gas chambers? Besides - Hitler was anti-abortion - he was in your camp!"
First, unless you are suggesting that the unborn are volunteering to be ripped to shreds in American death camps, I think it is safe to say that they are "unwilling" participants in their own executions. And by the way, about half of them would one day be women if not for the cowards and moral sewer rats in the abortion industry.
Second, as a legacy of the Wiemar Republic, abortion - except to save the life of the mother - was already illegal in Germany when the Nazis took power. But immediately after Hitler took over, and under his direction, the Hamburg Eugenics Court ruled that it would still be illegal for Aryan women but legal for women of what they called "inferior racial stock."
According to the Court, eugenic abortions would be legal and encouraged among those deemed "less worthy" while citizens considered "more valuable to society" would be prohibited from having abortions. This policy, they said, would promote "racial hygiene" and protect the health of the German people. The reality is, it was under Hitler that, for the first time in German history, the country's abortion laws were liberalized. Also during this same time period, Germany's first legal definition for eugenically and medically indicated abortions was established.
Of course, the Nazis eventually moved beyond simply "encouraging" abortions for the "less worthy." Before long, women who fit into those categories were being warned that they would be executed if they refused to abort what the Nazi's had classified as "racially worthless" babies.
In other words, Hitler and his Nazi thugs used abortion as a tool of eugenics and social engineering which is EXACTLY what pro-choice degenerates like you advocate today. For you to say to those of us who are pro-life that Adolf Hitler was "in your camp," makes you either abysmally ignorant or a bald-faced liar.

reply from: sander

I get plenty of sunshine....it's just that you vile creatures, the ones who support, particpate in and facilitate killing defensless babies tends to bring the claws out....I'm a woman, we're naturally offended at children getting killed.
Get over it, deal with or shut the hell up. <--------There's the kind of sunshine you deserve.
Thank you for making my point AGAIN! Someone needs a Xanax....
Did you forget that plenty of other women support abortion and are not offended by women choosing it?
No, I didn't forget it, moron.
Those women don't know the meaning of strong, or capble, or any of the other wonderful things women truly are....they're an embrassament to true womanhood.

reply from: cleoB

Well - now we are getting somewhere. If that is true and I still doubt it, this would be news. However- I am still not seeing the connection from Hitler to Planned Parenthood. How does Hitler's eugenics make Planned Parenthood racist today? HM?

reply from: faithman

Pro aborts are low life scum bag baby killers. They have no reason, so it is pointless to reason with these monsters. They believe in killing babies for conveniance sake. That is their agenda, and always has been.

reply from: cleoB

Hey - I am curious...why do antis have to tell the world that Planned Parenthood is racist, why isn't the NAACP or Jesse Jackson or other civil rights activists doing this? If this were true- they'd be protesting loudly. Another reason to distrust this maafa thing.

reply from: sattainon

Do you open your window? People -are- protesting loudly.

reply from: MC3

I learned a long time ago that when your enemy is making a fool of himself, don't interrupt!
Cleo, my boy, the floor is yours.

reply from: ritechus

Then you also loved Hitler right? SAnger loved Hitler and they shared the same ideals. It is to bad that you share them too. Did you know she used to preach her hatred at KKK meetings?
complete lie...bs, get your facts straight...if you used your brain and did 10 minutes of research you'd realize that this comment is completely false. See below.
that quote is taken out of context. http://womenshistory.about.com/od/quotes/a/margaret_sanger_2.htm
So horribly misinformed. Margaret Sanger gave birth to 11 children, only 4 of them lived. The rest had some sort of mental or physical handicap or deformity. So you can start to understand why she would formulate this view.
And by the way, America loved Hitler - they made him Time "Man of the Year" in 1938. WWII started in 1939, and America didn't officially get involved or condemn Hilter's actions until 1941. So if Sanger had held an affinity for Hilter, she'd be unlike the majority of Americans at the time.
http://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/secure/newsletter/articles/sanger-hitler_equation.html#dream
Do some homework before you post. it will save you some humiliation!

reply from: sattainon

You can't be christian and endorse murder.

reply from: sattainon

Eugeneics does not necessarily equate to murder.....
No, but it equates to the stopping of certain people from having children through various means, which can be extracted to the murder of a particular race, people, etc.

reply from: ritechus

Saying it 11,928 times is not going to make it true, faithman. At least if you are going to repeat it you could fix the obvious spelling error.

reply from: nancyu

No but anyone can call himself a Christian. I believe Tiller called himself a Christian, doesn't mean he really was one. He was just a liar.
How do you feel about eugenics cp? Are you a pro life eugenicist?

reply from: ritechus

Wow, I hope you have the ability to back up that very broad statement. What about:
The Crusades
The French Wars of Religion
The Thirty Years War
The Spanish Inquisition
The Holocaust
The Salem Witch Trials
etc, etc, etc
???

reply from: ritechus

Eugeneics does not necessarily equate to murder.....
No, but it equates to the stopping of certain people from having children through various means, which can be extracted to the murder of a particular race, people, etc.
With that logic, the Rhythm Method could be construed as murder.

reply from: nancyu

According to the Bible, all who sin are servants of sin, not God. It says you can not serve two masters. Can one be a "Christian" and not serve God? So who is really in a position to pass judgement? Only one who has "died to sin" and is no longer a servant to sin, in other words, those who are "perfect" and no longer sin.
I do not advocate eugenics in any form. I'm merely pointing out the fact that Christians, in general (Catholics excluded, as a rule), extolled the virtues of eugenics for the purpose of ushering in an age of righteousness in Sanger's day. It was popularly accepted by many, if not most people of the time. Granted, most people did not advocate killing, but as I have explained, eugenics does not necessarily equate to murder...
I'm glad to hear that.

reply from: sattainon

You can't exclude catholics from Christians...

reply from: sattainon

True Christians don't support it, so to call the ones that do support it Christians makes no sense.

reply from: ritechus

I think I knew that before but was in denial.

reply from: MC3

There seems to be a theme developing here that whether a particular behavior is evil or not is related to whether the church either embraced it or, at least, did not oppose it. That is nonsense. As a Southern Baptist, I will point out that my own denomination was originally formed as a sanctuary for pro-slavery Baptists. However, that did not in any way, or to any degree, make slavery more defensible.
The sad reality is that the church has a long and lamentable history of looking the other way at evil. It's called the sin of omission and it is almost never driven by theology or ideology but by cowardice and self-interest. That was true about slavery; it was true about eugenics; and today it is true about abortion.

reply from: CDC700

Rules what? And saying you used to work for them certainly denies you any good credibility from the start.

reply from: ritechus

They don't really seem to be to be looking the other way about abortion. How do you figure?

reply from: TriBee

New YouTube Trailer for Maafa - GREAT! Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLnNi_qb7nY

reply from: MC3

Ritechus,
If you think for one moment that the church isn't looking the other way on abortion, you know absolutely nothing about this battle. Ask anyone who's been involved in the pro-life effort for more than 30 minutes and they will tell you that the single biggest obstacle we face is not NAARAL, or the National Abortion Federation, or the Democratic Party, or the ACLU, or any other member of the death lobby; it's the deafening silence of the church. Without that, legalized abortion would be history.

reply from: Faramir

Maybe in your church, but not mine.
From the top down we hear about abortion on a regular basis.
If you went to daily mass at my particular parish, you would hear prayers for the end of abortion every day.
If you went to the Sunday services, you would at least hear special prayers about it once or month, and strong opposition to it several times a year.
I travel all over the country, and have heard abortion denounced in Catholic Churches wherever I go.
There is no silence about abortion in the largest Christian Church of all, but we could do better.

reply from: nancyu

Maybe in your church, but not mine.
From the top down we hear about abortion on a regular basis.
If you went to daily mass at my particular parish, you would hear prayers for the end of abortion every day.
If you went to the Sunday services, you would at least hear special prayers about it once or month, and strong opposition to it several times a year.
I travel all over the country, and have heard abortion denounced in Catholic Churches wherever I go.
There is no silence about abortion in the largest Christian Church of all, but we could do better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYE2atbxspg&feature=related
Faramir, have you watched Maafa21? Have you watched it? Have you?

reply from: Faramir

I have not watched Maafa yet.
I have not seen enough reviews and am unclear yet about the work done by lifedynamics as to whether I want to spend the $20.
If I were to judge Lifedynamics by the posts of the fellow who runs it, and the outrageously cruel behaviour he tolerates by his friends (an not just to the deth scancs but also to prolifers), I would think it to be not very credible, but I still have an open mind about the video.
At any rate, that doesn't change what I said about the Catholic Church.

reply from: nancyu

You're accusing others of dodging. Click the link I posted. Watch it through. I'd like to hear what you think.

reply from: yoda

I'll bet my last dollar they don't hear it from YOU.......

reply from: yoda

WAAAAAAH! WAAAAAH!!
You old meanies!! You're hurting poor Farty's feelings, but not so much that he's going to leave, or anything.

reply from: MC3

Faramir,
I am fully aware that Catholics were on the frontlines of this battle when most of my fellow Southern Baptists were sitting on their hands. And on many occasions I have pointed out that without the Catholic commitment to this cause the pro-life movement would not even exist.
In short, it is simply undeniable that Catholics are the backbone of the pro-life movement. Since I started Life Dynamics, well over half my employees have been Catholic, including all three of my assistants as well as the General Counsel for Life Dynamics. The majority of our donors are Catholic, and the only person I have ever given the authority to make major decisions for Life Dynamics other than myself is Catholic.
It is also true that I work hand in hand with groups like Human Life International, American Life League, Pro-Life Action League and many other Catholic-centered organizations. Additionally, my closest friend in the movement is Fr. Pavone and, over the years, he and I have turned Life Dynamics and Priests for Life into de-facto sister organizations.
Having said that, however, my argument is that even though America's Catholic Churches are doing far more for the unborn than any other denomination, it is laughable to suggest that they are doing even a tiny fraction of what they should be doing. You may also be interested to know that Fr. Frank and I have had this particular discussion many times and he has never once expressed anything other than full agreement with my views. It is also true that every national pro-life leader I have ever talked to - most of whom are Catholic - has told me the same thing. I have even teased Fr. Frank by pointing out that it is preposterous that there should even be a need for an organization called, Priests for Life. Shouldn't that be assumed!
The reality is, it is easy for any of us to become defensive about our denomination and make excuses for their indefensible lack of effort in this matter. But the fact is that the church can end abortion anytime it chooses to do so. All they would have to do is fight this battle with the same level of enthusiasm they would use if the government tried to take away their tax-exempt status. Believe me, if that were to ever happen, the abortion industry would run screaming into the night.

reply from: Faramir

Thank you for your thoughtful respnse, MC3.
I'm not an activist (yet) and don't see the overall picture like you or Fr. Frank do.
I was mainly sharing from my own experience, and my particular parish might be an exception, though many of us as individuals certainly could do more.
But I do give credit to most of the Churches I've visited that they at least acknowledge from the pulpit that abortion is wrong. It's not ignored or pushed aside.
All priests should be for life automatically, and I have yet to meet a prochoice priest, and hope I never do, but I don't know that all of them can be activists to a large degree, since especially for a parish priest, they already are overworked with the details of running a parsish, visiting the sick, traveling to other parishes to help out because of a lack of priests, marriages, funerals, etc. etc.--it's so much more than a full time job.
There seemed to be a very big push in the US Catholic Church before the election to give considerable weight to the issue of abortion and life when choosing a candidate, but I must admit, I felt it was also too little too late, and wondered why there has not been more of this, so your point is well taken.

reply from: Faramir

lol, my thoughts, exactly.
This was the first time he didn't tear into me or insult me, and I was a little bit blown away by such a thoughtful response.
A little respect can go a long way...
If we want to be taken seriously that the unborn are persons, doesn't it make sense to treat ALL of those already born as persons too?

reply from: nancyu

You can catch even more with a dead squirrel.

reply from: CDC700

I haven't found a church worth going to in a long time. I know they are out there, so i'll keep looking. Most have turned into businesses more than a place of worship. Quick to take money in, and slow to dish it out where it's needed. That goes for all denominations. Our time on earth is just a speck of dust on a great tree in comparison with eternity. Somehow I think "I didn't think it was wrong and women should have that choice" wont be a good answer when the time comes. He's given the answer to that, and a lot of other things. Some just choose to be ignorant and defiant.

reply from: sattainon

You can catch even more with a dead squirrel.
you can actually catch more with a net, or bear traps.

reply from: Shenanigans

You can catch even more with a dead squirrel.
Oh my gosh!! Yesterday I was walking down the road and I saw what looked liek a dead cat, and I thought kinda sad and figured I might have to go door to door to find th eowner to make sure some kid did'nt get home and find Fluffy dead on the sidewalk after a battle titled "Cat v Truck", anyway, when I got right up to it it was covered in flies and I gave it a nudge with my foot and all the flies buzzed away and it was an opossum.
Well, I laughed cos I hate those bloody pests and I was going to take a pic of it but I couldn't cos an old lady was standing close by so I just had to keep walking. Thankfully she didn't see me nudge it.
But MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN the flies!!
How has this anything to do with abortion? It doesn't, it was a just a side note.

reply from: Faramir

How could you not like cute little possums?

reply from: sander

You can catch even more with a dead squirrel.
Now that's funny and more to the point.

reply from: faithman

You can catch even more with a dead squirrel.
Now that's funny and more to the point.
Fly swatter anyone?

reply from: cleoB

Amazing! I am an enemy because I disagree or better yet, I am asking for proof. I thought you were the reasonable one here. You started to sway me with the Hitler info, I guess you gave me your best. If you want me to "have the floor" no Prob! Antis are all alike, when they run out of "facts" they shut down the debate.

reply from: cleoB

Then you also loved Hitler right? SAnger loved Hitler and they shared the same ideals. It is to bad that you share them too. Did you know she used to preach her hatred at KKK meetings?
complete lie...bs, get your facts straight...if you used your brain and did 10 minutes of research you'd realize that this comment is completely false. See below.
that quote is taken out of context. http://womenshistory.about.com/od/quotes/a/margaret_sanger_2.htm
So horribly misinformed. Margaret Sanger gave birth to 11 children, only 4 of them lived. The rest had some sort of mental or physical handicap or deformity. So you can start to understand why she would formulate this view.
And by the way, America loved Hitler - they made him Time "Man of the Year" in 1938. WWII started in 1939, and America didn't officially get involved or condemn Hilter's actions until 1941. So if Sanger had held an affinity for Hilter, she'd be unlike the majority of Americans at the time.
http://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/secure/newsletter/articles/sanger-hitler_equation.html#dream
Do some homework before you post. it will save you some humiliation!
HOMEWORK DONE- From your source -
Where are all the NAZI's who associated with Sanger?
Even more than her links with American eugenicists, Sanger's so-called association with Ernst Rudin, the director of the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Psychiatry in Munich, who helped align prevalent eugenic theories with Nazi race policy, has been featured in nearly every right-wing assault on Sanger's legacy. The grounds for charges that she knew, corresponded with, or influenced Rudin stem from the April 1933 Birth Control Review (BCR), a special "sterilization number." Rudin did contribute an article to this issue, as did Harry Laughlin and Leon Whitney and other eugenicists. The issue also included excerpts from the works of Havelock Ellis and influential gynecologist Robert *****inson. Taken as a whole, the issue presents a clear, if not always comfortable, debate on compulsory sterilization, with forceful arguments for and against, and calls for further research on sterilization as a eugenic measure. But Sanger had resigned as editor of the BCR in 1929 and no longer had any affiliation with the publication. Nevertheless the BCR issue has been held out like a smoking gun in the campaign to brand Sanger a sterilization missionary and Nazi sympathizer. What is never noted is that the one voice absent in the issue is Margaret Sanger's.

reply from: cleoB

Wow a new trailer YIPEE!

reply from: faithman

Amazing! I am an enemy because I disagree or better yet, I am asking for proof. I thought you were the reasonable one here. You started to sway me with the Hitler info, I guess you gave me your best. If you want me to "have the floor" no Prob! Antis are all alike, when they run out of "facts" they shut down the debate.
You are an enemy because you are a low life baby killing punk prodeath demon. We aren't here to debate arrogant little snots like you. We are here to stop killers like you. On that front, even your side admits we are making great progress, and winning!!! Not soon enough though, for the 3 to 4000 that wil die at the hands of miscreant monsters like you.

reply from: ProInformed

Amazing! I am an enemy because I disagree or better yet, I am asking for proof. I thought you were the reasonable one here. You started to sway me with the Hitler info, I guess you gave me your best. If you want me to "have the floor" no Prob! Antis are all alike, when they run out of "facts" they shut down the debate.
Hey cleo kid - why don't you just do your OWN search for the TRUTH, eh?
Simply sitting back and insinuating that something can't be true just because the ones providing the info to you are pro-life, and/or that just because the pro-abort ones you get your info from censored the info from you, is not exactly admitting that you are well-informed or pro-informed, nothing to brag about.
Margaret Sanger wrote books and published articles in her 'Birth Control Review'.
She was invited to speak at KKK rallies. You don't HAVE TO get all the info that reveals the racist and eugenic roots of the birth control movement and PP soley from pro-lifers. Or do you? So you can just pretend it can't be true because a pro-lifer told you so? When you decide ahead of time that no matter what a pro-lifer tells you, you will refuse to believe it, AND you simply trust and believe whatever the abortion industry and pro-abort biased media tells you, AND you avoid doing your own learning to uncover the truth, then you are revealing that you are secretly suspicious that what the pro-lifers are saying IS true, and you don't want to find out for sure.
Just do your own internet searches on:
Margaret Sanger
Black Genocide
Eugenics
Planned Parenthood
Have the courage to read what Sanger herself said, the info you find at websites hosted by both sides and from soources not directly involved in the abortion debate, then come to your own conclusion instead of blindly trusting one side or the other.
Did you even have the courage to watch the Maafa previews for yourself?
If not, why not?
Are you afraid you might learn something you don't want to know or can't easily refute?
Do you feel safer just ridiculing pro-lifers and pretending that surely what they are trying to tell can't possibly be true?
Or do you worry that you are so gullible and easily brainwashed that you need to protect yourself from exposure to any info from pro-life sources?
If you did watch the previews, what did you think of them?
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=6883&enterthread=y
">http://www.prolifeamerica.com/...3&enterthread=y
Did you learn anything you had never heard about before?
Do you have the courage and integrity to acknowledge that they did include quotes from documents and articles revealing the racist and eugenic motives behind the birth control movement?
Again, it is entirely possible for YOU to check out the history and references YOURSELF, instead of just pretending that just because the info is being presented by pro-lifers (AND censored by pro-aborts), that surely it can't possibly be true...
Are you up to the challenge?
Or are you too scared to even consider that it might be true, too comfortably and stubbornly indoctrinated into defending the abortion industry to question THEIR claims and motives?

reply from: yoda

You can catch even more with a dead squirrel.
Good one!

reply from: yoda

You flatter yourself. You are an enemy because you support the elective slaughter of unborn babies, period.

reply from: ProInformed

You flatter yourself. You are an enemy because you support the elective slaughter of unborn babies, period.
True - choicist cultists are the enemy because they KILL thousands of inncent babies per day.
And they do NOT disagree because they have examined both sides or have tried to learn the truth;
they do not really want to see any proof (if they did they would go do their own search for it instead of simply refusing to believe it just because pro-lfiers are the ones trying to present the truth to them).
They swallow and parrot whatever lies the abortion industry tells them without asking for proof.
They want to kill babies - period.
Anything or anyone who interferes with their desire to kill babies THEY treat as enemies;
the truth is their enemy just as much as pro-lifers are their enemy.
That is why they purposely avoid learning more on their own.
They WANT to stay brainwashed chanting choicist cultists, specifically BECAUSE they want to be able to kill babies.

reply from: TriBee

Cleo - very impressive, I give you an "E" for effort. However - the question you asked originally was to prove that Planned Parenthood was racist. Well - you opened the door wide with this one. It is true that Sanger was not the managing editor of the Review in 1933 - however, look at the existing board members and you will discover that many were there when she was. One such Board member in that issue where Nazi Ernst Rudin is published is the head of the Arkansas Eugenics Society and her name is Mrs. Edward Cornish. Cornish went on to run a state chapter of Planned Parenthood, in 1945. Birds of a feather do flock together on this one !

reply from: faithman

You flatter yourself. You are an enemy because you support the elective slaughter of unborn babies, period.
Vanpires, and blood lusting baby killers do not reflect an image in a mirror. Poor little things lack the ability to see themselves as the demons that they are.

reply from: sander

You flatter yourself. You are an enemy because you support the elective slaughter of unborn babies, period.
True - choicist cultists are the enemy because they KILL thousands of inncent babies per day.
And they do NOT disagree because they have examined both sides or have tried to learn the truth;
they do not really want to see any proof (if they did they would go do their own search for it instead of simply refusing to believe it just because pro-lfiers are the ones trying to present the truth to them).
They swallow and parrot whatever lies the abortion industry tells them without asking for proof.
They want to kill babies - period.
Anything or anyone who interferes with their desire to kill babies THEY treat as enemies;
the truth is their enemy just as much as pro-lifers are their enemy.
That is why they purposely avoid learning more on their own.
They WABT to stay brainwashed chanting choicist cultists, specifically BECAUSE they want to be able to kill babies.
That, imo, is the saddest truth of all. They actually WANT to be able to kill babies. They're power hungry as far as I can tell and this is an outlet. Even if they don't have an abortion themselves, just supporting and facilitating that awful procedure gives them a sense of power over someone.
That the someone is tiny and helpless is all the more appealing to those who would see babies die.
They are very sick individuals.
The worst of the lot come here, these are frustrated, angry, hopeless control freaks that have to make up definitions and refuse to see the glaring truth in front of them.
When they happily support a vile human being like margaret sanger, they've reached rock bottom.

reply from: ProInformed

http://www.renewamerica.us/col...hildress/080719
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If PP is supposedly no longer racist,
then why don't they just apologize for the racist statements, beliefs, and agenda of their founder Margaret Sanger, eh?
Instead they still give our awards in her name.
And since they know that stupid choicist sheeple will devoutly and blindly defend them, will just flat out refuse to look at the evidence anyway, I guess they figure they can continue to get away with their past AND PRESENT racist agenda.

reply from: yoda

Yep....... and you don't give out awards in the name of someone with whom you disagree....

reply from: yoda

You really should be "proud". You are the poster child for proaborts and baby killers....... closed minded and dumb as a doorknob.

reply from: nancyu

Have you watched yet faramir? I'm still waiting to hear your impressions.

reply from: nancyu

So baby killing is needed most in black neighborhoods? Why is that? Please tell me more.
Faramir, do you agree with CleoB, that there is greater need for Planned Parenthood's in minority neighborhoods?

reply from: nancyu

So baby killing is needed most in black neighborhoods? Why is that? Please tell me more.
Faramir, do you agree with CleoB, that there is greater need for Planned Parenthood's in minority neighborhoods?
Hello hello artful dodger...

reply from: nancyu

Have you watched yet faramir? I'm still waiting to hear your impressions.

reply from: nancyu

Amazing! I am an enemy because I disagree or better yet, I am asking for proof. I thought you were the reasonable one here. You started to sway me with the Hitler info, I guess you gave me your best. If you want me to "have the floor" no Prob! Antis are all alike, when they run out of "facts" they shut down the debate.
I think you are offering all the "proof" that is needed CleoB. Read your OWN posts.

reply from: nancyu

Did you know that you are patronizing the lifedynamics forum? And you are "unclear" about their work?
Got any more alibis you want to sell?
Since you are apparently strapped for cash, I would be happy to donate a copy to your local library if you would be so kind as to provide the address. Then you can "check it out!"
(I would send a copy to you personally, but from what I heard of you with the "I Am A Person" cards, I don't think you're trustworthy)

reply from: nancyu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC_yU3BCmYQ

reply from: 4given

Excellent idea! Or the local CPC.
Please do not.

reply from: nancyu

The ball is now in your court cleoB. Now you prove that Planned Parenthood is NOT racist.

reply from: nancyu

Have you watched yet faramir? I'm still waiting to hear your impressions.
I guess I keep posting questions that are just too tough to answer.

reply from: Rawr

If we want to kill human lives to save money, we could save a ton by euthanizing all the unwanted/abandoned babies in orphanages. Afterall, no one wants them, and its better to be dead than unwanted. Unless you will pay for their upkeep, you should have no say in whether they are killed or not, right?
If it was not a crime for mothers to kill their newborns, that would also cut down on all children running around living in poverty.
A young infant also does not have the capacity to reason, self-awareness, or the ability to imagine a future, kind of like a fetus, so it should be free to kill if the mother allows it, shouldn't it?

reply from: nancyu

If we want to kill human lives to save money, we could save a ton by euthanizing all the unwanted/abandoned babies in orphanages. Afterall, no one wants them, and its better to be dead than unwanted. Unless you will pay for their upkeep, you should have no say in whether they are killed or not, right?
If it was not a crime for mothers to kill their newborns, that would also cut down on all children running around living in poverty.
A young infant also does not have the capacity to reason, self-awareness, or the ability to imagine a future, kind of like a fetus, so it should be free to kill if the mother allows it, shouldn't it?
Great point. No response from the pro aborts I see. Surprise surprise surprise.
(They don't like the tough questions)


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