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calling you out

by: Shenanigans

I think I'm not the only one on this forum to raise an eyebrow or two at your posts, so, I wanna know, what's the deal?
Have you not ever posted on abortion topic forums? At least teh pro-aborts who support LTA for any reason are a little more tactful in their support and don't harp on about it like you do.
You seem to have a lot of problems in your past, as you stated in your posts, if to be beleived, is this true, or are you trying to drum up sympathy from your ilk? They have not come to your defence just yet, so are you a troll?
What will it take for you to at least acknowledge the pro-life position and not attack us based on beleif in the unborn having rights or deserving of rights?
You are a strange person who has posted so really unbeleivable things, can you really expect any of us here to take you seriously?
Anyone else wanna add something?

reply from: sander

I for one am glad pcny is here.
She's a fantastic example of the proabort mentality.
She at least has the cojones to be honest and give us a true glimpse into the hearts of these vile, very violent creatures.

reply from: faithman

Don't you mean the black hole where a heart should be?

reply from: sander

Don't you mean the black hole where a heart should be?
I see your point.

reply from: yoda

If you just fill in the gap in the letter "c", then pcny become pony.

reply from: Banned Member

Sure that makes sense. I guess you are all a bunch of psychopathic lunatics like Paul Hill & Roeder, too, huh.

reply from: yoda

No, none of us has acted out our impulses like those two did.
Are you encouraging us to?

reply from: CDC700

PCNY is Rosalie. Both in NY, Both wish death on the unborn, and both exhibit the same level of ignorance and lack of intelligence.

reply from: Faramir

I think she's a reprobate.
I can't wait to see the flames of hell licking her vile body through all eternity.
I want a front row seat (but not down there, please).
Surely one of the joys of heaven will be to watch such vile creatures writhe in pain and agony for what they've done, and maybe we can zap them ourselves sometimes.
Otherwise, I think we should ignore her.

reply from: sheri

I think Ny is a fake put forth by one of us in order to exibit how bad the prodeath mentality sounds when it is unrestricted. The tell? A real proabort would use more foul words when they get going.

reply from: faithman

That is where we differ farty ole boy. I find no joy in a lost soul, nor would I find it entertaining to watch them tormented for eternaty. That said, niether can I let that interfear with defending womb life. Misplaced mercy for unrepentant killers is cruel injustice towards the innocent.

reply from: BossMomma

One difference though, PCNY isn't whining about no one understanding her position or having difficulty with reading comprehension or, screaming misogynist at everyone to question her belief. PCNY just posts the first nasty bit of antagonistic crap that pops into her tiny lil mind.

reply from: 4choice4all

I'm thoroughly convinced she's one of the lifer's here. The words are exactly what lifers want to hear to make their cause seem justified.

reply from: Faramir

Even if that were the case, is there anything you disagree with that she's said?

reply from: sheri

Well, we have heard all of these arguements at one time or another from the proabortion crowd, to me it does seem a little odd to have them all rolled into one though. Her story shifted once already.

reply from: 4choice4all

Most of it.
(I do not think she's real..but...) Although we are both prochoice...the ends don't justify the means. She seems to gloat about needing multiple abortions...and brag about the irresponsibility behind those abortions ( thought i wanted a baby, oops, changed my mind...thought I wanted one again, oops,changed my mind) That's irresponsible and immature,imo. I don't have issue with the act of aborting...but I have issues with people not taking parenthood seriously and deciding(and undeciding,imo, thankfully in this case) on a whim to have kids. But yeah....I take issue with a lot of her points....just like you take issue with a lot of tactics and opinions of prolifers here. Sure...you are all prolife...but that doesn't mean that you agree on everything or respect each other's positions and sentiments.

reply from: Faramir

How do you know pcny is in New York?

reply from: Rosalie

Oh my! I'm the ONLY pro-choicer in New York City.
STOP THE PRESS.
Pro-fetal-lifers complaining about language on this board? Now THAT's rich.
I was hoping you wouldn't join the rest of the 'pro-lifers' here in the sewer. Too bad I was wrong.

reply from: Faramir

And it gives you someone else to spit on, so that's a bonus.

reply from: Rosalie

And it gives you someone else to spit on, so that's a bonus.
I don't think they'll give you a break just because of a new poster, though. :/ They're very efficient at insulting others.

reply from: yoda

Button up, and grab something to hold onto, folks, Weenie has said something unkind about a proabort....... so it must be the END OF THE WORLD!

reply from: yoda

Hmmm..... interesting thought..... so, why haven't you disagreed with anything she's said?

reply from: Banned Member

I hope this was meant to be sarcastic. I thought you above this sort of thing.

reply from: Banned Member

Personally I disagree with a lot of*****she says. I think she is either a pro-lifer trying to be cute, or just a person who likes to go onto forums & rile people up.

reply from: yoda

After the hundreds of nasty personal attacks he's made on other prolifers?
Oh, I get it... you mean "above saying anything negative about a proabort", right?

reply from: yoda

And yet...... you bite your tongue!

reply from: Faramir

I hope this was meant to be sarcastic. I thought you above this sort of thing.
Isn't it obvious?
I've never called anyone a "reprobate" and am still waiting for two posters here who use that word to define it, but they refuse.
Besides that, if pcny is playing games with us, I was just playing back.

reply from: yoda

Even so, it was the first negative thing I've even seen from you about a proabort, after all the hundreds of negative attacks on prolifers.
I still say the world must be coming to an end now.

reply from: 4choice4all

Because we proaborts give him respect and we get it in return. Shame on your momma for not teaching you that early in life.

reply from: yoda

Hey, when are you going to tell us WHY unborn humans are "not" human beings, and all the dictionaries are wrong?
What's holding you up?

reply from: sander

Exactly how does a non human being become a human being?
I don't think there's a scientist on earth that could answer that question.
And what is so magical about dropping the "being" part? These are moronic word games. Even the likes of 4c can't believe what she's writing.

reply from: yoda

I'm inclined to believe that 4c4a knows better, and is just trying to pull our chains. S/he knows perfectly well that we don't change species at birth.
But the display that s/he is putting on makes all proaborts look bad, deceptive, weak, and cowardly. So it isn't all bad.

reply from: 4choice4all

I've never said we change species....we remain human....but once we are born, we are beings. And i've covered that in many posts...you ignore it to be obtuse...or ignore it so you can ramble about and not make a point.

reply from: sander

I'm inclined to believe that 4c4a knows better, and is just trying to pull our chains. S/he knows perfectly well that we don't change species at birth.
But the display that s/he is putting on makes all proaborts look bad, deceptive, weak, and cowardly. So it isn't all bad.
They really have gone above and beyond the usual display of stupidity as of late....is there a full moon or something?
I think they've forgot they're suppose to be outside baying at it and not indoors at the computer.
They're desperate to believe their own rhetoric they twist words, when in fact all they're doing is twisting in the wind and looking like complete idiots.
There isn't a professor or scientist that would agree with these pathetic word games.
But, it can be fun to watch proaborts make fools of themselves.

reply from: 4choice4all

Shocker! Sander again fails to make a point related to the debate and continues to merely sling what I can only guess is a pathetic attempt at insults.
Sander, do you believe a majority of professors and scientists are prolife?

reply from: faithman

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reply from: Shenanigans

Owh man, I was hoping she/he/it would have replied by now, maybe we scared her off. What time is it over there in NY if that's where she is?
Anyway, maybe she has a brain injury or something or some kind of impulsive disorder.

reply from: Shenanigans

I think someone has already mentioned it, but maybe she is hurting a heap and is needing to do everything possible to express that she has no shame about what she did, cos if she did, she'd have to deal with the fact she'd killed 5 of her children.
1999, CDC states that 26.6% of women who are aborting have had one abortion, and that 7.5% have had three or more. So, what's 7.5% of 1.2 million? Its not unlikely that she's in that grouping. Not to mention, having one abortion is irresponsible.
Some stats show its as much as 50% of women having repeats, in NZL its something like 47%.
Here's a lady who's had 7!! SEVEN!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1035053/I-blanked-emotions-SEVEN-abortions.html

Don't you think that's a tad hypocritical? If you support a woman's right to choose to do the most violent thing imaginable to kill her unborn child, then you really dont have the right to take the moral highground as to why she's doing it. If she has the legal right to kill her children, she has the right to be acomplete dunce about it.

reply from: faithman

Pro-death scancs are unstable in all their ways.

reply from: faithman

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reply from: Shenanigans

Yeah, blood lust will do that to a person. All those sacrifices to Baal must eventually make them nuttier then squirrel sh1t.

reply from: 4choice4all

Shenanigans, I don't see a fetus as a baby...so I don't care that they are aborted. I wish women were more responsible about their health..period. I also wish women had regular mammograms and pap smears and all sorts of health screenings and ate healthier foods and stopped smoking...yada yada. That's not a moral high ground...that's wanting people to take their health seriously. Of course I still think she should have the legal right to her abortions....I just wish that she would personally be more responsible about her health...no different than wishing my neighbor would stop smoking.

reply from: Shenanigans

Smoking. Don't get me started. They shoudl just ban it out right and we can all just put up with the withdrawing for a few weeks. It'll be worth it.

reply from: sander

What has that got to do with your mis-guided and idiotic attempt to twist the meaning of "human being"?
News flash: not all proaborts are as dis-honest as you are.

reply from: sander

Smoking. Don't get me started. They shoudl just ban it out right and we can all just put up with the withdrawing for a few weeks. It'll be worth it.
I'm sorry did someone just equate the smashing of infant skulls to smoking???

reply from: 4choice4all

There isn't a professor or scientist that would agree with these pathetic word games.
Sander....I'm just asking if you believe that most professors and scientists are prolife and would agree with your position since you claim they wouldn't agree with my position that a fetus is not a human being.
Care to answer? Capable of answering?
um....just as I suspected...divert! name call! point a finger! deflect!

reply from: sander

Does your church teach hypocrisy is a good thing, because that's a lie.
It DOESN'T matter if MOST are prolife or prodeath or proeatatMcDonalds, educated men and women don't dispute time honored and factual definitions.
It's only you lying proaborts that must continue the war of words.
You've learned well from your master as those who began this quest of abortion rights did as well.
This has been a war of words from the beginning, ask Dr. Bernard Nathanson.
You've just met up with a group of people who won't and don't play that game and it's galling you to no end.

reply from: faithman

Yeah, blood lust will do that to a person. All those sacrifices to Baal must eventually make them nuttier then squirrel sh1t.
...snicker....

reply from: 4choice4all

Just as I thought.....incapable.

reply from: faithman

http://maafa21.com/

reply from: prochoiceinNY

What the ***** is wrong with you *****ing idiots?
So why am I suddenly under attack for my views? Too real for you dip *****s who live in some fluffy fantasy world of bible banging and god luvin'??
Its like you guys can't deal with other people having opposing views that they live by!!
Yeah, this is the first anti-choice forum I've been on, but I just can't believe how *****ing paranoid you guys are!! I just can't believe how *****ing nuts you are!! You all make me so damn mad!!
And as for you, Shanenigans, what is your *****ing problem, I"ve seem your little posts, oozing passive aggressive taunts, you're worse then those terrorist who get all happy with a dead doctor shot on the doorstep of his church. At least those terrorists just come and say what they're thinking outloud.
And that's what I'm doin, I'm saing what I'm thinking and I"m not ashamed!!

reply from: prochoiceinNY

Your *****ing kidding, right?
You people make jokes about incest and murdering doctors and calling women whores and *****s, you people show us the truth of the anti-choice movement!!

reply from: prochoiceinNY

If I'm a pony then you're a jackass!

reply from: faithman

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reply from: CDC700

And I think the general consensus is that nobody can believe how f-ing disgusting you are.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

Compareing that to the comments I've got already, I'll take that as a complement.

reply from: CDC700

Compareing that to the comments I've got already, I'll take that as a complement.
You need help. Lots of it.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

Other then what I've posted on this board, you know*****all about me!! How can you even suggest you think I need help when you don't know me?
You guys need the house call from the local shrink, not me!!
You guys are such *****ing wankers I thought about leaving, but no, I'm going to stay and stick it out if only to ***** you off!!
I won't be silenced! A woman's right to choose is paramount! I won't be intimidated into silence by the likes of you apes!!

reply from: CDC700

Other then what I've posted on this board, you know*****all about me!! How can you even suggest you think I need help when you don't know me?
You guys need the house call from the local shrink, not me!!
You guys are such *****ing wankers I thought about leaving, but no, I'm going to stay and stick it out if only to ***** you off!!
I won't be silenced! A woman's right to choose is paramount! I won't be intimidated into silence by the likes of you apes!!
you answered your own question.....

reply from: prochoiceinNY

Wow.
Just wow. I have been reformed! I"m off to the anti-choice shrink at the "crisis pregnancy center" now for post abortion counseling.

reply from: BossMomma

Well dumb ass when you come on a PRO-LIFE forum and put your sh*t on blast what do you expect? You expect pro-lifers to just be fine and dandy about your 5 supposed abortions and not catch any flack?

reply from: BossMomma

Oh my! I'm the ONLY pro-choicer in New York City.
STOP THE PRESS.
Pro-fetal-lifers complaining about language on this board? Now THAT's rich.
I was hoping you wouldn't join the rest of the 'pro-lifers' here in the sewer. Too bad I was wrong.
You're in this crap hole wallowin' just like the rest of us miss thang, get off your high horse.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

I knew it was a anti-choice forum when I came here, but you guys are always saying you're here to help women in crisis pregnancies adn be all nice and loving so they won't murdeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr their baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees, andyet, push comes to shove, you guys are just insane little *****ers trying to control women!

reply from: galen

really? tell that to the 2,000 women who have come through my shelter and then gone on to have healthy babies and healthy lives.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

2,000 out of the how many millions of abortions each year?
Yeah, you guys are doing a bang up job I see!

reply from: BossMomma

I knew it was a anti-choice forum when I came here, but you guys are always saying you're here to help women in crisis pregnancies adn be all nice and loving so they won't murdeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr their baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees, andyet, push comes to shove, you guys are just insane little *****ers trying to control women!
So you just breeze in here and automatically know what we as individuals do for our cause in the real world? That's rich. I sacrifice time, energy and, money that could go towards myself to help teen mothers stay in school by offering free baby sitting during school hours. I also provide free transportation to CPC's, Human Resourse apointments, and prenatal appointments. Others here do their part to help women and their children be it offering donations, counciling, emotional support, outreach etc. What the hell do you do to help women if you give so much of a sh*t about them?

reply from: BossMomma

2,000 out of the how many millions of abortions each year?
Yeah, you guys are doing a bang up job I see!
Better than just *****ing around then killing to avoid the responsibility like you.

reply from: galen

2,000 out of the how many millions of abortions each year?
Yeah, you guys are doing a bang up job I see!***********************
Its a lot more people in this world growing up with happy homes and happy lives... i would even take YOu in if you showed up on my door ....

reply from: prochoiceinNY

Where do you want your medal sent?

reply from: churchmouse

Your post is hilarious.
"She seems to gloat"? You gloat over the woman you help kill their babies. You said you loved your work. You are Satans escort and you are doing his work.
You have issues with people who dont take parenting seriously? And you have blood on your hands...........LOL
You asked Sander this question.............."Sander, do you believe a majority of professors and scientists are prolife?"
I think they know exactly when life begins but many like you dont give a crap because you think killing should be a choice. You know its human, you know its a baby, you know it deserves personhood BUT YOU DONT CARE.
Killing is a choice for you just like killing was a choice for Hitler when he marched millions into the oven. The only difference between the two......oven=abortion table. But humans end up the same way.
You would have been one of the ones who did not stand up against slavery and who did nothing to help someone to avoid going into the ovens. You would have been the escort.
Well of course you do.....abortion is nothing. Stopping the heart of a child in the womb is nothing.
You talk about responsiblity........what about the unborn? What about the womans responsiblity to her child that she allowed to be created when she willingly spread her legs to engage in sex?
And Sander I did catch this...........and you are right....she is incredible isnt she?
proChoiceinNY you are the perfect match for 4choice4all. A match made in hell.
You both are incapable of carrying on a conversation that doesn't make someone puke. Only someone that crawled out of the gutter would use the kind of language you use. Your immoral and dark, very dark. Sander is right......you need help. Take 4choice with ya the neighborhood escort.
This statement is an indication that you are just a little kid. You are so immature.
I would say your about fifteen.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

Sure, its killing, but so is laying down a mouse trap in your yard shed, or spraying a fly buzzing about, or hanging a bug catcher out on the porch.
Its killing, but there's no "person" or "baby" involved, just a blob.

reply from: galen

Sure, its killing, but so is laying down a mouse trap in your yard shed, or spraying a fly buzzing about, or hanging a bug catcher out on the porch.
Its killing, but there's no "person" or "baby" involved, just a blob.
**************************
proove it.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

Ooh, careful there, you fall off that soap box you could break something!!

reply from: prochoiceinNY

I don't gotta prove it, Roe vs Wade did that for me!

reply from: 4choice4all

Churchmouse needs more church, less squealing rodent.

reply from: BossMomma

Where do you want your medal sent?
Straight up your ass.

reply from: Banned Member

And yet...... you bite your tongue!
I don't waste my time arguing with some one who I think is a phony. Why would I? If you want to let her get you riled up, that's your business.

reply from: Banned Member

After the hundreds of nasty personal attacks he's made on other prolifers?
Oh, I get it... you mean "above saying anything negative about a proabort", right?
I was talking about damning people to hell, I don't care who the person is. It's people like Faramir that keeps me in remembrance that not all Christians are bad people. If it weren't for him & Carole, & a few others away from this site, I would hate all Christians. I was raised a Christian. The example he sets (usually) is what I was taught a Christian should be...loving, forgiving, generous, etc. There aren't many like him left, but as long as there are a few, I'll keep an open mind about Christians.

reply from: Banned Member

I thought so, but wanted to be sure!

reply from: Banned Member

I think it's hilarious you people always spout this*****off. The people who opposed slavery were basically the 'liberals' of their time. I'm pretty sure that if we were to all travel back in time, it would be you that fought for slavery & us that were against it. But, alas, it is something we will never know, so why don't you quit using it in arguments.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

Yeah! And the bible is pretty pro-slavery!

reply from: 4choice4all

The bible is proslavery when you are looking to back up your proslavery stance with biblical references. When you feel you are right...and others are wrong...and you go to the Bible to prove it...the bible is now just a tool of intolerance in your hands. When you read the bible....and you are touched by God's love and grace....you are using the tool correctly. And when you go into the world and love others...no exceptions...you use the tool with reverence.
If you feel you are being bullied with a bible....I think it's a good clue that you are not dealing with someone that is well trained in how to use that tool...and that's dangerous..so put some space there.

reply from: Shenanigans

Ooh, careful there, you fall off that soap box you could break something!!
I hope she falls on you.

reply from: Shenanigans

I don't gotta prove it, Roe vs Wade did that for me!
RvW was based on lies and medical falsehoods. The orginal Roe and B. Nathanson who pushed so heavily for abortion have even left that mindset of biological ignorance.

reply from: Shenanigans

I think you're being generous.

reply from: faithman

The bible is not pro-american slavery. The scripture talks of indentured servatude, and makes provision to set all indentured servants free every so often. No where in scipture does it allow for a man to "own" another as sub-human chatel. The kind of slavery practiced in America was based on evolution, not scripture. Lest you forget scum bag, It was primarily Christians that populated the abolition movement. Only christians infected with secular humanist evolution, praticed and promoted the kind of slavery we had here. It was your side that treated people as sub human beast of burden, and from this was birthed the modern abortion movement. You use the exact excuses to kill womb children, that you used to own people. And it is the exact same kind of true bible believers that with stood slavery, that now stand against abortion. Let us just hope that it won't take a bloody civil war to end this latest human rights tragedy. It is you who try to mis-use scripture to justify the slaughter of innocent womb children, just like your predasesors mis-used it to justify the owning of slaves.

reply from: yoda

Yeah, those big heavy family Bibles can hurt when they hit you over the head with them, huh? What a wusss.....

reply from: sander

Every single time you react to someone speaking God's truth you betray yourself and your father.
Turn back while you can....there will be a day when you will face a fiercer wrath than those who never proclaimed Christ.
fair warning

reply from: Faramir

Every single time you react to someone speaking God's truth you betray yourself and your father.
Turn back while you can....there will be a day when you will face a fiercer wrath than those who never proclaimed Christ.
fair warning
Believe what I say right now or go to hell is not a way to win souls or convert anyone.
That's a very short-sighted, impatient, and ego-driven approach.
And the messenger needs to be credible, sander. YOU are not credible because of the way you conduct yourself. Who expects someone who just hopped off her broom to be speaking truth?
Stop being nasty, be patient, and try to see the good in someone else as a starting point, and you'll do much better. Otherwise, you will only repel others from the truth, not because of the truth, but because of you being so repulsive. You stand in front of the truth you proclaim, and block it from going anywhere.

reply from: faithman

Every single time you react to someone speaking God's truth you betray yourself and your father.
Turn back while you can....there will be a day when you will face a fiercer wrath than those who never proclaimed Christ.
fair warning
Believe what I say right now or go to hell is not a way to win souls or convert anyone.
That's a very short-sighted, impatient, and ego-driven approach.
It is not up to us to "win souls or converts". It is up to us to merely proclaim the truth as the Lord comanded in the "Great Commission". It is up to the Lord to win souls and make converts by His Spirit. The ego is on you by thinking you have the power to make converts, or win souls from hell. Obviously Christ has died in vain, ole farty don't need the grace and truth of Christ to save the lost. He can do it all on his own. Scoot over Jesus, farty and his pointy hat youth nazi can take it from here!!!!

reply from: Faramir

Every single time you react to someone speaking God's truth you betray yourself and your father.
Turn back while you can....there will be a day when you will face a fiercer wrath than those who never proclaimed Christ.
fair warning
Believe what I say right now or go to hell is not a way to win souls or convert anyone.
That's a very short-sighted, impatient, and ego-driven approach.
It is not up to us to "win souls or converts". It is up to us to merely proclaim the truth as the Lord comanded in the "Great Commission". It is up to the Lord to win souls and make converts by His Spirit. The ego is on you by thinking you have the power to make converts, or win souls from hell. Obviously Christ has died in vain, ole farty don't need the grace and truth of Christ to save the lost. He can do it all on his own. Scoot over Jesus, farty and his pointy hat youth nazi can take it from here!!!!
So says the anti-Catholic bigot.
And I never said I have any power to make converts.
But the "you're a scanc and a whore" approach is not as biblical as you think it is, and is not the way to proclaim the truth. People like you and sander do not get your truth across to anyone because your methods suck, and you have all the appearance of using your truth to hurt instead of to help, and to elevate yourself at their expense.

reply from: Darkmoon

Someone please tell me what the hell a "POC" is. I've tried working the abbreviation over in my head and I just can't find a match.

reply from: sander

Hold your nose:
POC: product of conception
Naturally, feeling people understand that to be a baby.

reply from: sander

Every single time you react to someone speaking God's truth you betray yourself and your father.
Turn back while you can....there will be a day when you will face a fiercer wrath than those who never proclaimed Christ.
fair warning
Believe what I say right now or go to hell is not a way to win souls or convert anyone.
That's a very short-sighted, impatient, and ego-driven approach.
It is not up to us to "win souls or converts". It is up to us to merely proclaim the truth as the Lord comanded in the "Great Commission". It is up to the Lord to win souls and make converts by His Spirit. The ego is on you by thinking you have the power to make converts, or win souls from hell. Obviously Christ has died in vain, ole farty don't need the grace and truth of Christ to save the lost. He can do it all on his own. Scoot over Jesus, farty and his pointy hat youth nazi can take it from here!!!!
Thanks, Faithman.
I have him on ignore....so, I only see his stupitidy when quoted.
Your rebuttal was perfect.
Not that I think he'll even try and understand.

reply from: faithman

Every single time you react to someone speaking God's truth you betray yourself and your father.
Turn back while you can....there will be a day when you will face a fiercer wrath than those who never proclaimed Christ.
fair warning
Believe what I say right now or go to hell is not a way to win souls or convert anyone.
That's a very short-sighted, impatient, and ego-driven approach.
It is not up to us to "win souls or converts". It is up to us to merely proclaim the truth as the Lord comanded in the "Great Commission". It is up to the Lord to win souls and make converts by His Spirit. The ego is on you by thinking you have the power to make converts, or win souls from hell. Obviously Christ has died in vain, ole farty don't need the grace and truth of Christ to save the lost. He can do it all on his own. Scoot over Jesus, farty and his pointy hat youth nazi can take it from here!!!!
So says the anti-Catholic bigot.
And I never said I have any power to make converts.
But the "you're a scanc and a whore" approach is not as biblical as you think it is, and is not the way to proclaim the truth. People like you and sander do not get your truth across to anyone because your methods suck, and you have all the appearance of using your truth to hurt instead of to help, and to elevate yourself at their expense.
)Oh contrare wind bag!!! I do have a convert or 2 under my belt here. Where are yours? The only thing you have to show are the acolades of the bortheads!!! My loyalty is to the womb child. Not the pro-death scum bag scancs that are hell bent on killing them. I am all for extending mercy to deadly criminals. I just believe that mercy should be exstended thru the bars of justice. When was the last time you visted the jailed, or wrote them a letter?All you have done is post your puffed up opinion, which is worth the toilet paper you wiped it out on. Go sing kumbawya to your borthead friends in the corner. You are not here to do any kind of work of substance. You only promote a perverted pro-life position from a perverted belief system. A system our forfathers ran to this country to escape. So please forgive us if we don't care what an organized group of alter boy abusers have to say.

reply from: Darkmoon

That's pretty over the top...I just...wow.
I'll try to formulate some sort of coherent comment about that but for the love of Cernunnos, I think that's some serious, extreme reaching personally.

reply from: faithman

Save your breath. No prolifer cares what a pro-death scum bag has to say.

reply from: Darkmoon

"Save your breath. No prolifer cares what a pro-death scum bag has to say."
Then why do you reply, if you feel I'm such a scumbag?
p.s. I'm still getting used to the abysmal quoting function on this site. Bear with me.

reply from: faithman

http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby1.html

reply from: Darkmoon

http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby1.html
I've seen that photo more than once. Can you tell me what you're trying to accomplish please?

reply from: Faramir

Us?
I thought you were the only anti-catholic bigot here.

reply from: Faramir

Every single time you react to someone speaking God's truth you betray yourself and your father.
Turn back while you can....there will be a day when you will face a fiercer wrath than those who never proclaimed Christ.
fair warning
Believe what I say right now or go to hell is not a way to win souls or convert anyone.
That's a very short-sighted, impatient, and ego-driven approach.
It is not up to us to "win souls or converts". It is up to us to merely proclaim the truth as the Lord comanded in the "Great Commission". It is up to the Lord to win souls and make converts by His Spirit. The ego is on you by thinking you have the power to make converts, or win souls from hell. Obviously Christ has died in vain, ole farty don't need the grace and truth of Christ to save the lost. He can do it all on his own. Scoot over Jesus, farty and his pointy hat youth nazi can take it from here!!!!
So says the anti-Catholic bigot.
And I never said I have any power to make converts.
But the "you're a scanc and a whore" approach is not as biblical as you think it is, and is not the way to proclaim the truth. People like you and sander do not get your truth across to anyone because your methods suck, and you have all the appearance of using your truth to hurt instead of to help, and to elevate yourself at their expense.
)Oh contrare wind bag!!! I do have a convert or 2 under my belt here. Where are yours? The only thing you have to show are the acolades of the bortheads!!! My loyalty is to the womb child. Not the pro-death scum bag scancs that are hell bent on killing them. I am all for extending mercy to deadly criminals. I just believe that mercy should be exstended thru the bars of justice. When was the last time you visted the jailed, or wrote them a letter?All you have done is post your puffed up opinion, which is worth the toilet paper you wiped it out on. Go sing kumbawya to your borthead friends in the corner. You are not here to do any kind of work of substance. You only promote a perverted pro-life position from a perverted belief system. A system our forfathers ran to this country to escape. So please forgive us if we don't care what an organized group of alter boy abusers have to say.
Funny that many of the "pro aborts" also hate the Catholic Church as much as you do. They hate it because of the opposition to abortion and contraception. Like being in bed with them?
You also seem to oppose a woman on this board who has been very successful in saving babies.
Why such opposition to the best friends the unborn has?

reply from: galen

I don't gotta prove it, Roe vs Wade did that for me!
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actually RvW said that it was a child.... not a blob.
they referr to it as an embryo or fetus... but never a blob
read here
http://womenshistory.about.com/library/etext/gov/bl_roe_f.htm

reply from: Shenanigans

I once heard that RvW wasn't originally meant to allow women the choice to abort, but rather made it so doctors could perform abortions and not get in the poop for it, but they changed it so it seemed more about rights and independence and ladies then about increasing a doctor's revenue.

reply from: galen

that was some of it... reading the descision really opened my eyes ...

reply from: Shenanigans

Its funny how there's laws out there that are popular in culture, but the society doesn't know a lick all about them really.
Like in NZL, we have a "care of children bill" which allows children to get abortions without parental consent, and then we have the "civil union bill" which allows gay marriage essentially.
What people dont' know, is if you combine those bills, you can have a 60 year old manky Lesbian "marry" a 10 year old and no one can do a stinky sheep about it.
Then you throw in the prosititution law reform, which legalised hookering, and then with teh COCB, hey presto, legal child prostitituion. It was mainly cos the govt pushed through the law quickly to get the liberal vote before an election, and so didn't bother to write the laws correctly.

reply from: 4given

Its funny how there's laws out there that are popular in culture, but the society doesn't know a lick all about them really.
Like in NZL, we have a "care of children bill" which allows children to get abortions without parental consent, and then we have the "civil union bill" which allows gay marriage essentially.
What people dont' know, is if you combine those bills, you can have a 60 year old manky Lesbian "marry" a 10 year old and no one can do a stinky sheep about it.
Then you throw in the prosititution law reform, which legalised hookering, and then with teh COCB, hey presto, legal child prostitituion. It was mainly cos the govt pushed through the law quickly to get the liberal vote before an election, and so didn't bother to write the laws correctly.
In my state we have no abortion restrictions in regard to parental consent or notification. "Teen days" at the clinic that are set up to accomodate the school schedule. Free emergency cotraception. Civil union.. now "gay marriage" as of last week. Nothing yet on prostitution. But they shot down gambling as a form of revenue. An opponent said " It will corrupt our state". As if.. have to wonder if he lives here..

reply from: Skippy

I don't know if PCNY is for real. She seems more like an internet performance art character that faithman would dream up so he could argue with himself.
However, while it is unusual to have such a large number of abortions, it is not unheard of. I personally know a lady who had four, and would have had five if one of her pregnancies hadn't ended in miscarriage.
She did everything right - she used birth control and her partner wore a condom. Some people are as fertile as the Napa Valley, and will get pregnant no matter what precautions they take.
I realize that is a different situation than PCNY's. But I wouldn't necessarily conclude that she is lying just because of the large number of abortions.

reply from: sander

You're so yesterday.
pc has been kissing everyone's arse trying to make up for her "performance"....sound like Faithman now, moron.
She's just hard to claim, but you proaborts are stuck with her....she is all of you.

reply from: Skippy

But isn't that exactly the right thing to do at this juncture in the performance? You apologize for your misdeeds, and promise to do better. You explain that you were only over the top because {insert inane reason}.
After the "make nice-nice" phase of the performance, then we will see either a miraculous conversion, or a declaration that another pregnancy has occurred, and there will be another abortion.
My money is on internet performance art. To whoever is doing this, I apologize if I gave away your intended plotline.

reply from: Rosalie

You're in this crap hole wallowin' just like the rest of us miss thang, get off your high horse.
LOL you kind of misunderstood but whatever. Nice try anyway. All this hatred intolerance and bigotry you so-called 'pro-lifers' are infested with is incredible.
I originally thought you were better than that but I was obviously wrong.
You stay classy here, Boss.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

Theres no way I can prove to you guys that I'm real. So I'm just going to have to conitnue on and hope I can chnge peoples minds.

reply from: churchmouse

I need to pray more for you.
Its not about how much church you have......its about how much Christ ones has in their heart.
The people who opposed slavery went against the moral laws of the country because it was acceptable to own slaves. It is acceptable to kill the unborn today. The people who oppose it are going against the moral laws of the country.
There is no difference between the two. And if you condone abortion then you would have condoned slavery because it was legal.

reply from: 4choice4all

The church was in reference to your name. There is no Christ in your name....and I have to seriously wonder about your heart.
There is a difference.....slaves were actual born human beings.....a fetus is not. That's one glaring difference. Kind of like the reason it's legal to bred pigs for slaughter is because they aren't human....they are alive, they feel pain, they suffer but it's ok because it's an animal. That's a big difference....human vs. animal...kind of like born vs. unborn. Big difference...easy to see the difference.

reply from: CDC700

Animals are here for our consumption, babies are not.

reply from: 4choice4all

We don't eat babies. LTR.
Many religions and cultures do not think it's ok to eat animals. Our culture and Christianity says it's ok because God gives us dominion...and it's easy for us to look at the difference between human and animal and understand why the delineation is made. Likewise, I believe our culture and Christianity draws a line at protecting the born and unborn...and I think it is easy to tell the difference between the two.

reply from: CDC700

No, but you assist women into the slaughterhouse to have babies killed for NO REASON.

reply from: churchmouse

A lot of people did not believe that slaves deserved personhood. Hitler didnt. Sanger didnt. She gave speeches at KKK meetings. Blacks are inferior. Today abortion is the leading cause of death for the black race. PP clinics target blacks.
So what is a fetus if its not human? Is it alien? Is it animal?
If there was a fetus in a petri dish along side a petri dish with an animal......do you think a scientist could tell which one was human?
No babies are expendable......they are here so some can kill them, right? I mean you condone abortion dont you? You love walking them into the death chambers.

reply from: yoda

Wow, you let spinfibby and the other proaborts say any nasty thing at all about the RCC, and don't make a peep......
And yet, you bite your tongue........ when they throw slime at the RCC.....

reply from: yoda

So in your eyes, that makes what was done to slaves even worse, even if it didn't kill them, right?
Did you fail a course in logic?

reply from: faithman

Every single time you react to someone speaking God's truth you betray yourself and your father.
Turn back while you can....there will be a day when you will face a fiercer wrath than those who never proclaimed Christ.
fair warning
Believe what I say right now or go to hell is not a way to win souls or convert anyone.
That's a very short-sighted, impatient, and ego-driven approach.
It is not up to us to "win souls or converts". It is up to us to merely proclaim the truth as the Lord comanded in the "Great Commission". It is up to the Lord to win souls and make converts by His Spirit. The ego is on you by thinking you have the power to make converts, or win souls from hell. Obviously Christ has died in vain, ole farty don't need the grace and truth of Christ to save the lost. He can do it all on his own. Scoot over Jesus, farty and his pointy hat youth nazi can take it from here!!!!
So says the anti-Catholic bigot.
And I never said I have any power to make converts.
But the "you're a scanc and a whore" approach is not as biblical as you think it is, and is not the way to proclaim the truth. People like you and sander do not get your truth across to anyone because your methods suck, and you have all the appearance of using your truth to hurt instead of to help, and to elevate yourself at their expense.
)Oh contrare wind bag!!! I do have a convert or 2 under my belt here. Where are yours? The only thing you have to show are the acolades of the bortheads!!! My loyalty is to the womb child. Not the pro-death scum bag scancs that are hell bent on killing them. I am all for extending mercy to deadly criminals. I just believe that mercy should be exstended thru the bars of justice. When was the last time you visted the jailed, or wrote them a letter?All you have done is post your puffed up opinion, which is worth the toilet paper you wiped it out on. Go sing kumbawya to your borthead friends in the corner. You are not here to do any kind of work of substance. You only promote a perverted pro-life position from a perverted belief system. A system our forfathers ran to this country to escape. So please forgive us if we don't care what an organized group of alter boy abusers have to say.
Funny that many of the "pro aborts" also hate the Catholic Church as much as you do. They hate it because of the opposition to abortion and contraception. Like being in bed with them?
You also seem to oppose a woman on this board who has been very successful in saving babies.
Why such opposition to the best friends the unborn has?
That is a bald face lie. Your precious church of opression, is fighting against personhood efforts all over the country. You are a mindless puke, who does not have a right to say what I think. I have a great love and respect for the Catholic in the pew. But it's so called leadership sucks. They are cowards when it comes to "catholics" Like teddy the lady drowner, palosy, boxer, and on and on. Then you have the purse lipped judas pavon, who would smear bloody pictures every where and then not have the guts to admit such pictures are what provokes people of conscience to take action. You are catholic in name only, and spend most of your time pissing on real catholics like Augustine. So punk, you just quit nit picking my posts, and making me say things I never did.
Your "church" is led by political hacks, who would let a killer like the criminal elect talk at a so called catholic school. Real catholics are leaving the church in droves. they are tired of being lorded over by hypocrits, and having to be asociated with phonies like you.

reply from: sander

So in your eyes, that makes what was done to slaves even worse, even if it didn't kill them, right?
Did you fail a course in logic?
She would if she ever took one, big F-.
Have you figured out what the heck she's even saying with this crap about human non being person thingy???
And then comparing pigs to babies.....this one is lost as a goose in a fog!

reply from: 4choice4all

I don't think I've seen proaborts on this board slam the RCC....certainly not like the prolifers. I married a cradle catholic and inherited a large Irish catholic family....I may not agree with the RCC.......but I certainly have nothing against them.
Yes...I think slavery was a true horror and don't bat an eye at abortion. Was there a point to be made?

reply from: Faramir

You are being selective with the truth, faithman.
You have mocked Holy Communion, and mocked the priesthood, among other things that are sacred to Catholics. You have made bigoted, anti-Catholic statements.
I am a practicing Catholic, and not in name only, and am thorougly orthodox, though I do admit to being a sinner and a bad example at times. I do not dispute that Augustine is a Catholic either, though it is not like a Catholic to join your rat pack on occassion and cruelly demean someone regarding their past, though that's no doubt something that makes him "real" to you.
When you mock the Catholic Church you mock and discredit the greastest force on earth against the injustice of abortion.
You also mock and discredit other prolifers who are somehow "politically incorrect" from your perspective.
All this makes me wonder more and more what your game is and whether you are really in this for the unborn, or whether it's a big ego trip, and are using the unborn as an excuse. From your behavior on this board, that's how it appears to be, imho.

reply from: faithman

You are a liar. I have never mocked communion, and the current "priesthood" needs mocking. and you are in error as far as your citidale of pagan practice is for pre-born life. The greatest force is the individual pro-lifer, not an organization that is opposed to their personhood. Your opinion aint worth spit. I could really care less what you think, or anyone else for that matter. You have proven on a number of occasions that you are a phony. you do absolutly nothing for the womb child, and all you do is defend their killers.

reply from: sander

You have proven on a number of occasions that you are a phony. you do absolutly nothing for the womb child, and all you do is defend their killers.
One correction; that should be "every" occasion....carry on.

reply from: Faramir

Wow, you keep getting worse. Now you're calling Catholicism, pagan?
I actually have nothing against pagans if that's what they sincerely believe, but by definition, Catholicism is not pagan.
You have called priests "altar boy moleters" or something to that effect, and that is not the priesthood--that is a very small minority.

reply from: Faramir

I have never defended abortion, but have always denounced it.
I wonder why Sander does not reprimand faithman for his bigoted and anti-Catholic statements.
Is silence tacit approval?

reply from: faithman

I have never defended abortion, but have always denounced it.
I wonder why Sander does not reprimand faithman for his bigoted and anti-Catholic statements.
Is silence tacit approval?
Our fore fathers came to this country to escape the paganism, and oppression of Rome. Now you are trying to faust that same paganism and oppression on pro-life. Excuse us if some of us do not agree with it. It is an historical fact, and present times, that your church is full of pagan symbolism, and practices.

reply from: faithman

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Cults/Catholicism/ch-state.htm

reply from: Faramir

I have never defended abortion, but have always denounced it.
I wonder why Sander does not reprimand faithman for his bigoted and anti-Catholic statements.
Is silence tacit approval?
Our fore fathers came to this country to escape the paganism, and oppression of Rome. Now you are trying to faust that same paganism and oppression on pro-life. Excuse us if some of us do not agree with it. It is an historical fact, and present times, that your church is full of pagan symbolism, and practices.
You can believe whatever distortions about the Church you like.
But you are a fool to discredit the Church which has stood against contraception and for the unborn, for 2,000 years.
Men and women within the Church have failed, but the Church has not.

reply from: Skippy

Oh, they did not. They came here (in part) to get away from the Anglican church (the Church of England). That's a protestant denomination, that was actually quite fond of persecuting Catholics back in the day.

reply from: faithman

I have never defended abortion, but have always denounced it.
I wonder why Sander does not reprimand faithman for his bigoted and anti-Catholic statements.
Is silence tacit approval?
Our fore fathers came to this country to escape the paganism, and oppression of Rome. Now you are trying to faust that same paganism and oppression on pro-life. Excuse us if some of us do not agree with it. It is an historical fact, and present times, that your church is full of pagan symbolism, and practices.
You can believe whatever distortions about the Church you like.
But you are a fool to discredit the Church which has stood against contraception and for the unborn, for 2,000 years.
Men and women within the Church have failed, but the Church has not.
I thought your "pope" was infalible? Your church has failed to disiplin it's own because of political power and family name. Your church allowed a baby murderer to speak at a once proud university. Your church "authority" is currently opposed to personhood for the womb child. Your church is a dismal failure for protecting the womb child.
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Cults/Catholicism/ch-state.htm

reply from: churchmouse

Why was slavery horrible? It was legal wasnt it? So if something is legal it makes it moral, right?
Certainly you would not have stood up against those that had slaves.
You dont bat an eye at abortion because you dont know any difference. Your heart is hardened and you have no morals at least about abortion. I am still praying for you and hope you will wake up and join those that know that the unborn are people.
I respectfully dissagree Faramir. When I question the RCC that does not mean I dont hate anyone, just policies and theology I find to be anti-scripture. The greatest force on earth is Jesus Christ, no church and I can't understand why you place the power with a Church and not with HIM. If any good work is done in this areas, Christ should be given the honor and the glory for it.
You are right however about the role that the RCC plays in abortion. They are the ONLY faith that stands up for the unborn. I stand weekly with people at PP, the majority who are Catholic and passionate about stopping abortion.
Protestant churches basically do nothing. Our mega pastors, Osteen, Warren etc...do nothing. They are a disgrace to the Word. Its above their paygrade (as Obama puts it) to get involved in abortion.
And you have the gall to accuse Faramir of being a Catholic in name only. I have asked you several times to show scriptures that back up your actions and you won't. Does it not say to love your enemy? Do you love the very people here you try to tear apart?
I think 4choice is evil in actions......but I pray for her daily because she is a human being and I am commanded to love her. Hopefully one day she will see that the actions she committed were wrong. Hopefully the Word will convict her and she will "repent and sin no more, by escorting women in to kill their children."
If anyone has shown hatred on this board it has been you.
Again the greatest force is Christ....not your cards not anything else. You might think that Faramir is a phoney but then look at your actions. What are those? Faramir has the right to share his feelings and opinions. He does not defend baby killers. If you would stop hating him maybe you would see that.
I am always going to defend the Word even if it goes against those views my friends or family hold. So wehn I question the RCC views on stuff that does not mean I hate the Catholic.
Not all priests are molesters......but many are. And the way the RCC has handled this is suspect. These are the same men the Church says are Gods right hand men. They are supposed to forgive sins, they are supposed to be the direct line from God to those on earth. They are without error as the Catechism says. If they are without error, then their actions are God ordained. And their actions are anti-Christ. This is why people should read the Word for themselves. This is why you should never pray to anyone but Christ. He is the real deal. If you go to Him you bypass human error and interpretation.
Again show me scripture that says anything different.
You might dissagree with RCC theology but they are still people who are stumbling along trying to worship God, in their own way. They are the religion, the faith that stands up on this earth against pro-aborts and that is fact. Faramir has shown more love here on this forum than you have. You lash out and call people names, you demean them for fun, its a game for you. Whatever right or good you say is diminished because of the hate you show.
How can you delight in showing such ungodly hatred?
I agree as well, but cant you be nice about sharing these views? Back up your view with scripture and do it with the intention of showing someone their error.

reply from: Faramir

I know you have some issues with the Church and our beliefs, but I was referring to the fact that the Church has always opposed abortion. And you hear about it from the pulpit often.
There is much more that can be done and there have been bad people in high places in our Church, but there are very many good people too, and overall it is a force for good, and especially is a force AGAINST abortion, so it's ridiculous for a pro-lifer to dicredit the Catholic Church, as f'boy has been doing.
But we believe the Church and Christ are one, so it's not as if we're putting faith in a thing or in men. You're seeing some kind of "corporate structure" and we are seeing the "Mystical Body of Christ."
Anyway, I know you believe as you do in good faith, and I appreciate that you accept that we do as well.
But the "paganism" comments made by f'boy are totally ridiculous. He's been reading some of those simplistic and asinine Chick comics, no doubt. Those are criticisms that are the easiest to refute, but I'm trying my best to stick to the principle that it's foolish to reason with the unreasonable.
And "the Church" did not allow Obama to make that speech and could not have prevented it.

reply from: Faramir

I don't believe she has an evil intent.
I can't understand how she can support abortion, especially to the extent of being an escort, but I think it's worth pondering why escorts are needed. Is it because some of the protestors at the clinics are less than charitible or even cruel? At any rate, she's not causing these women to abort--they've already made that decision.
You said your father always sees the water that's in the glass and not the part that's empty, and that's what I've been striving to do in my "old age."
I think there is much good in 4c and there is nothing wrong with relating to what is the best in others, regardless of the stuff we don't like about them.
I realize that on this board the "pro aborts" are supposedly here for our "amusement" and that our goal is to "defeat" them and not "convert" them, (thought I'm still trying to figure out how chanting "you're a stupid evil nazi" does anything at all for the unborn), but ultimately, we have to win hearts and minds, so I think that Fr. Pavone, as illustrated in my signature, has the right idea, and that it's worthy of emulating, but without ever compromising the desire for justice for the unborn.

reply from: Banned Member

I'm a Pagan. About the only thing I find similar between Catholicism & Paganism is the lightening of candle. Just the acting of lighting candle, as the symbolism & intent behind it is different. So I guess that means that anyone who lights a candle, for any reason, is a Pagan.
Think of that next time you want to fill you house with that apple pie smell...

reply from: churchmouse

She knows what abortion does, especially PBA and she condones it. She escorts women in to do this. And those actions are not evil? For gosh sakes abortion is sin and she claims to be a Christian. I dissagree with your assessment of her actions. SHE LOVES HER JOB.
I have been standing at PP for years and I have yet to see one argument between the killing side and the pro-life side. The escorts stand and laugh and point fingers. They know exactly what they are doing. They are helping women kill.
Yes he does and he is an honorable man who lives the Word. That does not mean that he doesnt call a spade a spade.
I think you have a godly heart, I really do. But ever since she came here she has relished in the fact that she is a willing part in the pro-abort cause. She loves her job.......and her job is in the killing fields. I see this as evil actions. How can I get in bed with another sinner who is willingly sinning? Does God wants us to stand up for things righteous? Is abortion a righteous act? Does it glorify Him?
She has not shown a soft side since arriving here on this website. Like I said I believe that we can love someone but hate what they do and stand up staunchly against ungodly actions.

reply from: Shenanigans

Oh nos! What does the faithful protestant do if there's a power cut?

reply from: Shenanigans

That's the thing isn't it, she's either full of evil intent, or a total dullard in regards to the faith she professes to hold.
I don't know what's worse.

reply from: Faramir

I'm a Pagan. About the only thing I find similar between Catholicism & Paganism is the lightening of candle. Just the acting of lighting candle, as the symbolism & intent behind it is different. So I guess that means that anyone who lights a candle, for any reason, is a Pagan.
Think of that next time you want to fill you house with that apple pie smell...
Christmas trees are also pagan.
There is nothing wrong with Christians using pagan traditions that don't conflict with their faith, though it no doubt pisses off a few pagans.
And there is no "pagan religion" that I'm aware of. That's a very broad term that includes many religions and beliefs outside of Christianity.
Do you have a particular religion or belief system you identify with?

reply from: Faramir

Oh nos! What does the faithful protestant do if there's a power cut?
It's ok so long as they don't worship the candles like we do.

reply from: Banned Member

I used to fancy myself Wiccan for a short time, but there are tenants of that religion I couldn't quite reconcile either. So now I tend to just refer to myself as Pagan. I am spiritual, but not religious. I've never found an organized religion that I feel 100% represents my beliefs.
I call myself Pagan, or New Age, or Witch. I'm sure that isn't going to make me any friends on this board, not that I have many anyway. Mousey, Fboy, proceed to bombard me with scripture that I shouldn't be suffered to live, I'm sure you're dying to.
Paganism, by definition, tends to encompass any & all who do not belong to one of the Abrhamic faiths. Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, etc. are all pagans. Many traditions of Christian Holidays stem from Pagan practices. Decorating trees at Christmas, painting eggs on Easter, and even if you call Halloween a Harvest Festival, it still dates back to Pagan practices. But that doesn't mean that they are not Christian holidays. If you celebrated Christmas in July, you'd still be celebrating the birth of Christ, right? Isn't it what's in your heart that counts the most?
But none of this bothers me, & for the people who it does bother, I think they are just being petty. Everyone wants to have something to b*tch about, something to feel persecuted for. I think it's silly. Personally, I still celebrate Christmas & I always will. To me it's more of an American cultural holiday now, anyways, at least for the non-religious. I celebrate Yule separately & usually alone, but Christmas is time for family & giving & fun.

reply from: Banned Member

Oh nos! What does the faithful protestant do if there's a power cut?
You endure the dark, or risk the fiery pits of hell, that's what!

reply from: Shenanigans

I must of missed that memo. I got the one about necromancy and how we all have to get the Pope's name tattooed on our foreheads.

reply from: Shenanigans

So, do you believe in a soul or is it more of an essence that transcends the body once death has occured?
I've always been interested to know how Paganism is so individual. Its quite endearing really.

reply from: Shenanigans

Well, at least they'll be able to see the sulphur pits in all that fiery light.

reply from: 4choice4all

It's kind of funny to stumble across a discussion of whether or not you are evil...shrug. Oh...thanks Faramir for voting "no evil intent",lol. I do appreciate it.
Faramir touched on something.....like I tell the prolifers outside of the clinic...especially the one that has a special spot for me and begs me to repent all the time...If the nutjobs wouldn't stand outside of the clinic and scream profanities and insults at the women...I would be able to sleep in and not VOLUNTEER at the clinic. I'm there for the women. I'm there to be a shred of decency and humanity for them...that's all. If the lunatics would leave them alone....you wouldn't need escorts.

reply from: Shenanigans

What if they weren't lunatics? Like people are who just interested in helping women and children and don't have a foul word pass their lips?
I for one am no fan of public screaming matches with those of opposing views.

reply from: 4choice4all

If people just stood there and asked "can I help you? can I give you info? can I talk to you?".....goodness, I don't think anyone would bat an eye. That CERTAINLY is not what takes place at my clinic. Actually, 3 weeks ago a local cop was in the drive thru at McDonalds which is @6 blocks away from the clinic..and on the other side of a major street...and he could hear the protesters at the clinic..screaming. So he went and issued citations for disturbing the peace. Normally they are pretty hands off with the protesters...but the screaming and music playing is just INSANE. And the clinic is 2 blocks from residential homes. Not to mention how many times we have to threaten to call the police because they insist on blocking the driveway..even as we stand there. So yeah....if they weren't absolute lunatics...we wouldn't need to be there and it would be hard to get motivated to stand outside in the freezing cold or on the blacktop when it's 100 degrees if we didn't think we needed to be there.

reply from: churchmouse

What is insane is what goes on at your death mills. YOu KILL INNOCENT CHILDREN AND YOU LOVE IT. They should lock you in a room and make you watch footgate of an abortion over and over and over.
Lunatic.......they are lunatics? They are people who have hearts, obviously you were not born with one. You are a monster. You should get down on your hands and knees and beg God to forgive you. You Christian? No way.
Your power comes from Satan because your actions are nothing but evil. And anyone who cant see that is nuts.

reply from: Faramir

Calling someone a "monster" for doing what they do in good faith, even if misguided, as I think it is too, is way over the top.
I am 100% opposed to abortion, as you know, but judging by what she's said of her reasons for escorting, it's not to help some abort and it's not to participate in the abortion, but to help the women preserve some dignity that others would IMPROPERLY take away from them, by being vicious and cruel.
If you want her to see abortion as an evil, you'll get nowhere by calling her a monster or an agent of Satan.

reply from: sander

What is insane is what goes on at your death mills. YOu KILL INNOCENT CHILDREN AND YOU LOVE IT. They should lock you in a room and make you watch footgate of an abortion over and over and over.
Lunatic.......they are lunatics? They are people who have hearts, obviously you were not born with one. You are a monster. You should get down on your hands and knees and beg God to forgive you. You Christian? No way.
Your power comes from Satan because your actions are nothing but evil. And anyone who cant see that is nuts.
Hear, hear!
Short, to the point and spot on.

reply from: 4choice4all

I've seen footage of abortions before. You have to stop being blinded by the myths you've been fed....namely, that we are just completely ignorant to what an abortion looks like or what an abortion entails.
Poor churchmouse...I am a child of God. Seeing you rebuke and judge makes me feel sorry for you. I don't think you want to be like this....I think you know God doesn't want you to be like this.....but you are full of anger....do you even have room for God in your heart?

reply from: churchmouse

I cant believe you said this. You truely believe she does this in good faith? Walk people into clinics to kill because why? You have got to be kidding me. I dont know what to say but that I think you are just so sweet that you cant see evil for what evil really is FAramir.
Workers like this, abortionists, nurses who work in abortion mills remind me of LEGION. Have you read about Legion and when Jesus sends the demons into a herd of pigs? (Mark 5:14) This is all about evilness that uses the human body to distort and destroy mans relationship with God. Demons are destructive, they are dangerous and they are powerful. Legion was possessed by demons.
Those that work firsthand in the pro-abortion movement I believe are such forces as Legion was. They are people who give the devil a foothold. And he uses their bodies for his work.
If you are with Christ you should be a LIVING EXAMPLE of Jesus' power and He would not condone abortion. Whoever has will be given more; whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. " Mark 4:28
We are responsible to use well what we have. And what we have is not nearly as important as what we do with it. What do abortion workers do, especially those who claim to be Christian? You can witness to them, try to show them that what they are doing is anti-Christ, but you cant change their hearts, you can only do so much. You still should recognize evil activity. And you should avoid giving SAtan foothold by associating with evil.
I know you are opposed to abortion, that I do not question FAramir. But I think you are naive about her happiness and joy over her job. And her job is to help woman kill their babies, to protect and aid them towards that goal. Now is this godly or satanic? It cant be both. She relishes and rubs in the face of those pro-life the joy she gets from doing this. It thrills her and you can tell by her posts that this is true. She is pro-abortion......she is pro-PBA.
ARe her actions evil or godly Faramir?
She has heard the Word and although I do not believe the Holy Spirit has convicted her, its not my problem. She will face her maker like everyone else. She will then try to convince Him that her actions were godly. What will He say? Will she be punished, or rewarded?
I still am praying for her, but her salvation is not my problem. You plant the seed and God does the rest.
He said the gate was narrow and few will enter...............
My heart is sorrowful when I think of the people who will regret their actions after its to late.
There is good and there is evil. Sin and evil are opposite of God. When you sin, when you give Satan a foothold, you are NOT WITH GOD. You cant because He is perfect. He is the opposite of good.
Abortion is an evil, but SO ARE THE PEOPLE THAT GET ABORTIONS AND THE PEOPLE ASSOCIATED AND HELP KILL THE CHILDREN IN THE WOMB. When I got my abortion I was not there as an agent of God. I was evil and I committed an evil act. I was not possessed by God, I was in Satans hands and he held me in his grasp.
If she is a Christian and knows the Word then she is responsible for her own acts. But find me just one verse in either the OT or the NT where God would condone her acts.
Whatever power she has comes from Satan........sorry if you dissagree.
Can she change? Yes, but she does not want to. She loves evil to much.
I have every right to judge her actions, this is scriptural. If we did not judge people we couldnt discern right from wrong, we couldnt protect ourselves from unrighteous acts and deeds. I cant judge her heart...........but I darn straight can judge her actions and they are satanic, ungodly and she has blinded you if you think otherwise, sorry. I still luv ya but think you are wrong about this.
4choice4all.......I am angry, and sorrowful that you decieve people into believing you are a godly woman someone of moral character. You help kill children and you think you are acting on Gods behalf. Your actions are evil and I pray one day you wake up before its to late.
God wants me to stand up for the little ones in the womb....those you help destroy. Your words do nothing to me but make me want to pray for you more. I pity you and those you touch.

reply from: 4choice4all

I think Jesus would condone abortions...absolutely. So I do agree that we need to be living examples of the love of Christ....am I showing God's love and mercy when I'm there for women at their time of need? When I defend them when the wolves in sheeps clothing are berating them? Without hesitation I say I certainly am.
God wants you to only stand for "little ones in the womb"...but not the women that were once like you...the ones that walked into the clinic to get an abortion. God did not want people to be kind to you...to love you?
The irony of you quoting Matthew 7 is too much. Are you ignoring the speck in your own eye? Can I recognize you from the fruits on your labor on this board? Do you do unto others? Is it doing unto others when you tell them they are agents of Satan...when YOU denounce them for telling others how much they love God....when you call them evil? How would you explain your actions here?
I'll continue to pray for you....and I'm adding your name to my church's prayer list. From where I sit it seems that you've allowed the world to come between you and God. There is so much anger and venom in your posts....I could really cry for you. That you love God but you've devoted so much time on this board to hating Her children. I love you churchmouse and I pray that we are able to bring you back into the fold. "He drew a circle that shut me out Heretic, rebel, a thing to flout But love and I had the wit to win; We drew a circle that took him in." I'm drawing you back in Churchmouse.

reply from: Yuuki

Neither Jesus nor God would condone the senseless, wasteful act that is abortion. Never. They would never approve of a woman killing someone else, and certainly not an innocent, defenseless, harmless child that did not choose to be brought into existence.

reply from: 4choice4all

I disagree Yukki. I think that an unwanted pregnancy is a sign of failure because we have ways to prevent it and everyone should respect and love their body enough to take protective measures. I think a woman aborting because she can not financially or emotionally care for a child is a tragedy that is preventable and a failure of our society to take care of our fellow man so they can have the basics and exercise their right to become a parent. I believe God would frown on these failures....as God is saddened anytime we do not love ourselves or others. But I do not believe that God would condone the act of abortion....just the acts that drive people to have them. My God wouldn't condemn a person that stole food to feed their hungry families...God would condemn the society that drove a person to do that. My God is awesome and loving and loves Her children and I dont' hesitate to say that I believe my God is prochoice.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

I tkes abot a 20min walk from my aprtment to the closest clinic and there are days when the wind is blowing from that direction when I can here them. Frst time I herd it I relly thought it was some local sports evnt.
I thort it was freedm of speech, not freedon of screming.

reply from: churchmouse

Your actions are evil if you are escorting women in to kill their babies. Are you telling them what they are doing is wrong? ARe you telling them as a Christian that what they are doing is wrong? ARe you sharing the gospel message with them?
"Faramir touched on something.....like I tell the prolifers outside of the clinic...especially the one that has a special spot for me and begs me to repent all the time...If the nutjobs wouldn't stand outside of the clinic and scream profanities and insults at the women...I would be able to sleep in and not VOLUNTEER at the clinic. I'm there for the women. I'm there to be a shred of decency and humanity for them...that's all. If the lunatics would leave them alone....you wouldn't need escorts."
DO NOT BLAME THOSE WHO VALUE LIFE FOR YOUR ACTIONS. You make me sick.
You are willingly helping woman kill and you have blood on your hands. Not all people scream outside clinics. And so what if they do, they have the right as long as they are not breaking the law. Those women need to know that they are killing, ripping apart, burning their unborn babies. But you dont care that much is obvious. You are there because Satan has a hold on you. Decency would be standing there with everyone else and witnessing the Word. But the fact is you dont believe the Bible says abortion is wrong. You think God condones the bloodshed of innocents.
The more out there at clinics the better.
You said Jesus would condone abortion. That just shows that you are with Satan. You are walking in darkness. Your actions are evil and you mock the very God you slam. You are Legion.
The fruits of my labor are pure. I know the Word and I stand on it. You stand on sand. To say you are there for woman makes me sick. If the people at your church are like you, I question what kind of a church you go to. And I already told you that my bible studies and the class I am facilitating, The Truth Project, is also praying for you.
Don't cry for me honey........cry for the unborns you have single handedly helped to be killed. They cry out for justice. You need Christ. You need to kneel and ask Him for forgive your sins. You need to ask Him to change your heart.
And could you show me the scriptures in the Word where you think God would condone abortion. The library usually has bibles you can check out. Or, better yet go online to Gateway Bible.
GOD BLESS YOU YUUKI
God loves His creation and He loves children. He knows us even when we are in the womb. He would never condone killing unborns, never. Thank you for stating that so clearly. God is love. But loving does not include killing. Women might be pressured into abortions.......but you still have to slide up on that table and do it. You still have to sign on the dotted line and ok the procedure. You cant place blame on others if you spread your legs to allow the doctor in. WE are responsible for our own actions and we are responsible for our own salvation.

reply from: Faramir

I believe she is in serious error, but I take her at her word that she intends well.
I once met a man at a nursing home who was a very nice fellow, and I later learned he shot and killed his wife. She had been in great pain and he did it to relieve her of her suffering. It was the wrong thing to do. It was immoral, and it was an evil act, but in his own pain and empathy for his wife, and in his confustion, he did what he thought was a good thing at the time. He was not an evil man and he did not have an evil intent, even though he did commit evil.
As a Catholic, I see ALL forms of contraception as "intrinsically evil." That means there is never a time when it can be good or right. It is always an evil act. But there are many Chrisitans who do not see it that way, and though I belive they commit evil by using contraception, I can't say they have an evil intent for what they do in ignorance, or if they truly belive it does not conflict with their Christian faith.
"Legion" was what the demons called themselves, not the name of the possessed man. 4choice is not a demon, and is not possessed by demons, but if she were, then your issue would be with them and not her.
Many are doing what they think is right. I belive that contraception is what led to the acceptance of abortion by many Christians, and that evil opened the door to abortion as "plan b" when the contraception fails, but I still can't say those who participated were evil.
Men are weak and blind creatures, and fall into all kinds of nonsens, and even those of us who do not believe in abortion are capeable of doing evil.
I don't for a second believe Christ would condone abortion. And I don't believe he would condone a demonstrator calling a woman a "whore" or a "murderer" either, which I think is why escorts are "necessary" sometimes.
I belive 4choice is supporting evil, but I don't think her intent is evil. And I think her involvement as an escort is out of compassion for women who are verbally abused by some demonstrators.
I think she has a blind spot abour abortion, and maybe some day that will change and maybe it won't. Meanwhile, I think she is a decent person and I'm not ashamed to have her as a friend. She's not a monster, and calling her a name like that will have no impact on influencing her to consider the prolife side of things. It will have the opposite effect. (And it won't protect any babies, either. You've used the same tactics as those who say "whore" and "scanc.")
It's not her "job." She's a full time mother, and a very good and dedicated one. That's her job as far as I know.
I don't think anything that has to do with abortion is "godly," but I do think that someone can intend good while doing something evil, just like someone can intend evil by doing something good.
I can't judge what's in her heart, but I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt. Calling her a "monster" is to villify, dehumanize, and demonize. It's not my place to do that to her or anyone, and not yours either.
It distresses me that you went so far in what I consider to be a cruel personal attack, especially since I've appreciated your comments and appreciated your support, when nobody else would stick their neck out for me in the slightest.
Doesn't what my signature says ring true to you? I thought were in agreement with it.

reply from: 4choice4all

We are responsible for our own salvation....if you believe that CM, then why are you ranting about my soul? Why don't you leave me to my God? Why do you follow me around the board to call me Satan and claim that I don't walk with God?
God is love and loving doesn't include killing........care to explain the OT? God never condones killing...or even demands it? Care to elaborate on that statement?
I have a Bible CM...but you knew that. I love you and continue to pray for you CM....beyond doing that I think you are in some unreachable darkness that no one outside of God can bring you back from....so I'll do all that I can, pray for you. If you trust Faramir and respect him (and I believe you should) then please, listen to his words. Ignore me...but Faramir is trying to reach out to you. Does it not give you pause that a respectable prolifer is questioning your behavior...or that someone like Sander would applaud you?
CM...do you support the acts of Fred Phelps/God Hates Fags? Very few people do...because most people that believe God hates homosexuality(the act) believe that God loves Her creation(the homosexual). And many people would believe that Fred Phelps is not walking with God because God would not want Fred Phelps to call Her children names and scream at them and glory in their murders. The people that stand outside of clinics and vilify women are the Fred Phelps. Not everyone outside the clinic...but I'm not there to help women get by peaceful loving people....but to defend them from the cruelty that many show.

reply from: Shenanigans

Okay, what if said person couldn't get any bread, or could only get two pieces when he had three children? Would it be moral, in that God would not condemn him, if that person killed the youngest or weakest of his children because he couldn't feed him? Surely, your god wouldn't condemn him for such a societal failure that he had to kill one of his kids so he had enough to feed the others?
Think of it like the Roman practice of child exposure. Where the male head of the family unit would decide that the newborn was not something that would benefit the family, either by illness, gender or their inability to feed that child.

reply from: lukesmom

And if you would stop killing the unborn we wouldn't need protesters outside of clinics and you could sleep in and make us all happy.

reply from: Faramir

I suppose you're another Catholic who disagrees with Fr. Pavone?

reply from: 4choice4all

It's not the "protesters" that are the issue...it's the raving lunatics that create a need for escorts. If everyone could act out of love....well, what a world that would be.

reply from: Faramir

Can you give an example of what these types say and do? Are there many of them? Do the peaceful protestors seem annoyed with them?

reply from: 4choice4all

At my clinic ...out of the "regulars"...half of the protesters are a prayerful rosary group...older...usually with a priest....sometimes some younger seminary looking types show up. The other half ranges between vulgar and nuts. They fight amongst themselves...call the police on each other and even file lawsuits against each other. They are a freakish sideshow. They insult the women(fornicators, gettin' cleaned out for prom? drop the loser) the escorts(they like to call us homosexuals/lesbians/queers a lot..which is weird) the security guards. They are hardest on the pastors and seminarians that support choice. They've been physical(one woman actually stoned a seminarian). If a woman has a child with her they will scream at the child that "mommy is going to kill your sister or brother. They will hold up the signs of the bloody fetuses and say "look at what mommy is doing to your baby in there...tell mommy not to". They lie...a lot. They have a radio and they play songs over and over on it and once a patient's driver walked over and turned it off. Well..it was wrong to do and the another escort that happens to be a prosecuting attorney admonished him and he was like "yeah, I shouldn't have...I'm just sick of them". Well...the owner of the radio walked over...gave it a kick down the alley and called the cops. He claimed the kid came over and threw the radio. Of course, some of the prolifers backed him up. The cops ran the kid's name....the security guard and the prosecuting attorney told the cops it was a blatant lie. Anyone that looks upset is going to be targeted more...and not by some kind soul asking if they need help or if they can talk to them...but someone screaming at them.

reply from: Shenanigans

If people could act out of love there wouldn't be abortion.

reply from: 4given

If people could act out of love there wouldn't be abortion.
Agreed and an amen to this as well.

reply from: sander

Be gone Satan!
The Lord rebuke this one. Amen.

reply from: 4choice4all

LOL...you guys are like a bad tent revival...got snakes?

reply from: churchmouse

She is in serious error and she just said that Jesus would condone abortion. How could she intend well when she is in serious violation of the Word by helping women do something she sees as a good.
The killing of the unborn is nothing like this. The unborn are innocent and not sick. They are not terminal. Of course the man did wrong. You obviously feel sympathy for the man,,,,,likewise you feel sympathy for 4choices job and think she is doing an admirable job. Maybe you should try it. The man loved his wife and didnt want to see her suffer. 4choice is pro-abortion and thinks Christ condones what she is doing.
Man oh man............
Both are evil. You do not believe ordinary people can be possessed by the devil? Her acts are evil and nothing short of that.
So for you Tiller was not evil I guess. I see him as evil. Was Hitler evil? Are abortionists evil? Was Charles Manson evil? Dont you see anyone as evil?
Christ would consider abortion murder and a sin. He also would not approve of anyone calling names and in all the demonstations I have ever gone to I have NEVER seen this happen. We march in front of the clinics and pray. We do not block anything. We call to the woman who get out of the cars and politely ask them if we can talk to them. He also would not approve of 4choice helping woman do this. She is an accessory. Compassion? Oh please..........I better shut up or I will say something I regret.
So you know her personally now? Wow you move fast. LOL
She has a job to do and that is escort woman in to kill. How can you say it is not a job? And how do you really know she is a good mother, that she is dedicated?
You say I am wrong to call her a monster. I call anyone that works in an abortion mill a monster. It is shocking that you dont think Tiller was a monster. I am sure you give him the benefit of the doubt as well.
And it saddens me that your pro-life position isn't what I thought it was. You obviously think making friends means more then standing on Gods truth. You have not appreciated my posts not really and when I was attacked by many you said nothing much. I certainly went to bat for you. And now you have taken the side you think is morally right and its not mine. But hey thats ok...no problem. You set me straight on what you believe.
And about your signature.
"I maintain friendships with abortion advocates and practicing abortionists. The clarity of our own convictions never means we despise, demonize, or shut out other people."
I do not want to be friends with people who kill on a daily basis. I will share my opinion, be kind, share the Word especially about their sin.......then move on.
You never get in bed with the unrighteous.
Good luck Faramir........she might pull the wool over your eyes but not mine. I feel sad that you dont see her job as an evil one. I thought you different.
I am going to end it here with you. God Bless
No I do not, not at all. Their acts are evil in every way and God would not condone what they do, espeically when it is contrary to scripture. Homosexual sex is sin, that is scriptural. I am nothing like FRed Phelps, nor are any of the people I stand with. Gee dont let FAramir hear you cut down Catholics. If you really knew what you were talking about you would know that the fast majority of those standing at PP's are Catholics. You just called Catholics Fred Phelps types. Or maybe he will say the nuts are the protestants.
You can show kindness ........but not by escorting woman in to kill. Stand with your Bible and witness Gods Word. Oh thats right you couldnt do that you think God defends abortion.
Your acts are sinful and you have blood on your hands.
Where did Christ ever help anyone sin? ????????????????????????????????

reply from: Shenanigans

Not in New Zealand.
No snakes down here.
We have opossums though if you want some TB ridden pests.

reply from: 4choice4all

I never cut down catholics....you are twisting what I said to create a rift. I'm sure Faramir is aware that there are a few bad seeds that claim to be catholic...and some of them stand outside of clinics. In my experience, most of the catholics that stand outside of the clinics are peaceful people.
What part of Fred Phelps actions would God condemn?
Cm...I don't think showing compassion to women is a sin. I don't think walking next to women and trying to distract them from the vile actions of others is a sin. Don't we have a good example in John 7-8. Jesus is handed a sinning woman....did Jesus offer compassion or condemnation? I could be like the others that stand with my bible and remind the woman that she is sinning(if I believed it was a sin) or I could try to do what Jesus commanded..."follow me"...and follow the example He gave...and offer compassion. There are plenty of people standing in judgment of the woman about to obtain an abortion....but how many are willing to offer compassion?

reply from: Faramir

Not in New Zealand.
No snakes down here.
We have opossums though if you want some TB ridden pests.
No snakes at all?
How sad.
Do you have turtles?
Do you have fireflies?

reply from: Faramir

I can understand that she could be motivated by compassion for the women and not by an evil intent to kill babies.
I have stated many times I think she is wrong and misguided about abortion, but that does not mean there is an evil INTENT.
There is not a single creature that is totally evil and without some good.
Even the damned in hell have some good in them, though their coopertation with evil brought them to a bad place for eternity.
I think it's possible that among living people there are some who have given themselves totally over to evil control, but I think that's very rare. And while anyone lives and breathes, there is hope and a possibility of conversion, and the only way we can reach them is to appreciate and communicate with what is good in them, otherwise by "damning" them, we repel them, and we throw out the baby with the bathwater.
What's the point of this comment?
I have defended you at times I thought appropriate, especially when cruel digs were made about your abortion. Other times I felt that you set yourself up for you problems by being abraisive. However, I do apologize if there were times I remained silent when I should have spoken up.
My belief about abortion is that it is an injustice against a human person, and that it should be vigorously opposed. I always vote for prolife candidates, and I hope that one day abortion will be illegal, but I also hope that meanwhile, hearts and minds can be changed, because the law may never change, or it could take many years. I've never compromised my position about abortion even a speck. I think it's an evil thing, but I'm free to think that people involved in abortion are not necessarily evil themselves.
My refusal to participate in demonizing them and calling them "monsters" and other nasty names does not in any way compromise my prolife position, but rather, in my humble opinion, makes me a stronger and more credible pro-life witness.
Those who do the name calling and the one-upmanship nonsense have all the appearances of doing so for their own selfish reasons--to get their kicks at someone else's expense or to feel superior. I don't see how it in any way does a thing for the unborn, or how it could help convince the opposition.
You tell me what is accomplished by calling someone a "monster" or "Satan."
And that seems to go just a tad beyond judging "actions" and not the person.

reply from: churchmouse

You show way more than compassion my dear. You assist them in killing. You are pro-abortion even PBA. You dont think Jesus condems abortion......so you think you are doing nothing wrong. Why are you trying to justify your actions? LOL
You think killing solves a problem and you are helping them solve it.
YOU ARE DIRECTLY INVOLVED.
Jesus NEVER would have helped someone sin. You can show compassion afterwards like we do when the woman leave broken. Carole does this, many of us do this. But we are not pro-abortion and we do not escort them in with our best wishes.
Carole and I both work with the group Silent No More. We talk to broken woman. But why would you want to offer them compassion? YOU DONT THINK THEY ARE DOING ANYTHING WRONG, RIGHT?
You are there to thumb your nose up at those of us that think abortion is murder. And your job isnt done until you make sure they get through that door. You offer more than compassion.

reply from: faithman

"Compassion" has become a free pass to do evil, or ignore it. But what the scum bag death scancs, and the phony "pro-life" pukes forget, is compassion for an innocent child who is having their brains sucked from their sculls for the most pretensious of reasons. Dirt quilt is just too compassionate for such.

reply from: churchmouse

I have a friend whose son is addicted to over the counter drugs. I feel for him, I feel compassion.
Do you think I should give him some of the prescription drugs I have in my medicine cabinet?

reply from: prochoiceinNY

and whre will your compassn be for the unwanted POC that are allowed to be birthd? will you pay for their diapers and there scholing and there food and there house? will you pay for the mom's eductn or help her with money?
your compassn is a joke.
yuou only care about the mjindless blobs of POC not the woman they happen to be rsiding in.

reply from: sander

and whre will your compassn be for the unwanted POC that are allowed to be birthd? will you pay for their diapers and there scholing and there food and there house? will you pay for the mom's eductn or help her with money?
your compassn is a joke.
yuou only care about the mjindless blobs of POC not the woman they happen to be rsiding in.
I do love it when you post. You give the brusing your side deserves!
Oh, and btw, not a thing you mentioned is justification for killing children in the womb.
Are you going to pay for the unwanted children outside of the womb? Are you going to pay for their diapers and their schooling and their food and their house? Will you pay for the mom's educaiton or help her with money?
The only thing you proaborts are good at is raising stupid arguments.

reply from: faithman

and whre will your compassn be for the unwanted POC that are allowed to be birthd? will you pay for their diapers and there scholing and there food and there house? will you pay for the mom's eductn or help her with money?
your compassn is a joke.
yuou only care about the mjindless blobs of POC not the woman they happen to be rsiding in.
I have personaly bought property, and housed single moms. I have personaly paid utility bills for the same. I personaly have given food, clothes, and transportation to those in need. I have given school suplies to children who lack the resources to buy them. I have given a car to a young man, who needed it to get work, and suport his mother and younger brother. I have done so as unto the Lord Jesus Christ, exspecting nothing in return. "Pro-life" actually is a hinderance to me, and God's call on my life. I simply can not ignore the plight of those who can not speak up for themselves. Tell us borthead; what do you do besides run your feted mouth?

reply from: sk1bianca

the "pro-choice" kind of "help" is entirely related with abortion. it means shoving the woman into the clinic, having their kid dismembered and thrown in the trash, stuffing her pockets with BC and then sending her home.
oh, and... make fun of her in case she regrets having the abortion.
if a woman CHOOSES to raise her child, will the "pro-choicers" help her? or if she wants to give him up for adoption, will the "pro-choicers" help her find a family for the baby? because that's her CHOICE, right?...
hypocrites...

reply from: Banned Member

Yep...Most pro-choicers are liberal Democrats, & we have no problem with increasing taxes for people who can afford it in order to help those who are in financial struggles. Usually they are those with children. It's you conservatives, particularly the wealthy ones, that whine about their taxes going to social services & such. The reality is, most (certainly not all) of you don't give a sh*t about what happens once a child is born, just so long as they are born. That's why not one pro-lifers can answer the questions posed to them about what should be done should abortion become illegal.

reply from: carolemarie

Churchmouse....
disagreeing with what people do is one thing, you can speak the truth in love to them about that action. Calling them names is moving into just being mean....I think that is the line Christ talks about, be angry but don't sin.....you can be angry that a baby dies without being unloving to those involved in the sin.
as for 4choice4all being an escort at an abortion clinic, well if she believes that abortion is permissible, then she would be acting in the light of the knowledge she has....I would like to see her change her position, but I seriously doubt calling her Satan will do it.....and if the prolifers at that clinic call women names and engage in the tactics of dragging her other kids into it, yeah, I can see her feeling she is helping women.
Being a Christian doesn't mean you can't be wrong about things. Obviously I think she is wrong that Jesus would approve of abortion, I think she is dead wrong on having compassion only for the woman and none for that womans unborn child.....but I think perhaps that if we discuss her beliefs without attacking her as a person we might be able to see why she believes that and perhaps offer her evidence that it isn't true.....
my favorite poster on this board is Concerned Parent because he at least makes rational posts and debates the issues, without calling names (usually)....and I disagree with him on several things, but you know, i have come around on some things to see I was wrong....a good rational discussion can help people change postions.

reply from: Faramir

Do you think calling him an "evil monster" or "Satan" will help him?
And if others are doing that to him because of his habit and you just want to sheild him from their cruelty and their attempts to strip him of his last shred of diginity, could that come from a place of compassion instead of evil, like the man who shot his wife?

reply from: Faramir

Calling someone a "monster" is self-serving and wrong, no matter how much applause you get from the hen club or the rat pack.
Churchmouse knows better and IS better than that.

reply from: Shenanigans

What about calling someone a douche bag?
Or a boob head?
Or a moron?
Or a smelly sh1t breath?
Or a great big fat bastard?

reply from: sander

What about calling someone a douche bag?
Or a boob head?
Or a moron?
Or a smelly sh1t breath?
Or a great big fat bastard?
Or a bytch?

reply from: carolemarie

While i don't agree with Churchmouse on theology, i do think she isn't mean to people on purpose....

reply from: speck

Calling someone a "monster" is self-serving and wrong, no matter how much applause you get from the hen club or the rat pack.
Churchmouse knows better and IS better than that.
And this is exactly why I have now, a few times posted towards CM. I know she is better than that, and I truly feel she has great potential to bring many to Christ if she stopped with how badly she treats others at times.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

and? so wht? its abot each woman making her own choice and why should i or anyon hv to pay for some other womans choice? it be awesm if the govt. paid for my abortn but it didn't and i wnted the abortions so it shouldn't e up to anyne else to pay for what gets me out of mistakes i made.

reply from: churchmouse

Should I remind you dear Faramir of the names you have called people on here, also some of the choice words you have used? You about went over the edge a few times, how soom you forgot.
Loyal friend? LOL
Dont play perfect with me.
You are more intersted both of you in being politically correct and jumping into bed with sinners than calling them out on the sin.
Lest I remind you.........ABORTION IS AN EVIL ACT.
There ya go honey.........calling names and referring to people whom you dont like. Isn't love grand Faramir? LOL
You tell me to do what you have done all along.
Someone pass me a kleenex.
Sigh.........
I am sick of people who believe in a luke warm gospel. Abortion is bad but just not that bad for some of these folks. And Jesus takes a second seat behind this issue. Ya cant judge......but then they judge me.
I am tired of people on here who kiss the behinds of those who they know are wrong. They want to be friends with everybody, they want to be well liked, its a popularity contest for them......and they rarely ever quote anything from the Word.........except the scriptures about love. Nothing about the wrath and judgement of God, just love. Well this is a great commandment.......but we should never forget that God is a God who shows wrath and will destroy the wicked.
I can love someone and not want be associated with them. And if you do not want to be associated with me hey that is your choice, put me on ignore. I have always been my own person. I do not email or pm many people here, I am here for one reason and one reason only. I have found as of late that those who like to Pm just want pats on the shoulder. They will thank you for defending them but will kick you to the curb the first chance they get. No thanks....to much drama.
I was a sinful woman who killed her unborn child. I want to share this with people. God changed my heart and life and I live for HIm first. I will not compromise the Word for anyone.
Actions sometimes speak louder than words and the actions of 4choice are evil, I stand by this and will not change my position.
As for my favorite poster.........has to be Augustine, who I have also disagreed with but who I admire because he never COMPROMISES THE WORD AND IS NOT AFRAID TO SHOW IT. He is passionate and you can tell he loves Christ.

reply from: Faramir

I plead guilty as charged, and have never insinutated I was perfect.
And I'm working on making improvements, and have by no means forgotten the deeds of my past.
But not all name calling is in the same category. If someone calls me "stupid" I can shrug that off. But if they call me "Satan," they've gone a little too far.
Do you think calling someone a "monster" is going over the edge? As much as I have issues with some of the posters here, especially the ones who seem to relish being cruel and demeaning others, there's not a soul here who I could say is a "monster."
What did you mean by that word and do you still stand by it?
What do you mean by being "politically correct" anyway? I've always felt that on this board it is politically correct to call certain people scumbags, whores, killers, etc., and to go against that is to not be politically correct.
What did you mean by that term in reference to me?
And I already know abortion is an evil act, so you're not telling me anything new. It unjustly robs a person of his life. That's why I'm pro-life.
Who is judging you? I have gone out of my way to be cordial, even in the face of some less than charitible comments and inuendos you have sent my way.
Being friendly or cordial is not "butt kissing," and friendliness is a two-way street. If one of the "monsters" wants to be friendly to me in spite of knowing that I see abortion as the killing of a baby, and want it to be illegal (except where nancyu lives where they have laws against it already), then that shows an openness on their part, and I see that as nothing but positive, unless it would lead to me compromising my beliefs, which it has not in the slightest.
I don't quote the Bible very much because it makes little sense to quote it to those who don't believe it, as if that would prove a point to them, and it just comes across as obnoxios bible thumping and preachiness, and does nothing positive.
There are many here who know everything there is to know about the bible already, so it's of little use to quote it to them, either, and they already have verses and scriptures prepared to "prove" they can call someone a "scumbag" or a "whore" and that it makes Jesus happy to do so.
Much mischief can be done with scriptures, and when taken out of context can be made to mean what was never intended.
I agree that God will destroy the wicked, but he is not happy to do so, so we shouldn't appear to be so darned excited about that idea, and also that while anyone lives and breathes, there is hope, and it's not our place to push them aside and judge them to be "wicked" when all that could be standing in the way of their salvation is our own hyocricy and our own bad behavior. Also, it could take many years for them to change or see the light, and we should be patient with them, as God is paitent with us, as we work out our own salvation with fear and trembling.
I have not "kicked you to the curb" ever. I told you it was over the top to call someone a "monster," in the kindest way I could.
I have been happy to be on friendly terms with you and to consider you as a friend privately to whatever degree you would want that.
I can also be friendly with some prochoicers, not because of their views, but in spite of them.
Who suggested you should change your position?
I said it wasn't your place to call her a "monster."

reply from: sander

There ya go honey.........calling names and referring to people whom you dont like. Isn't love grand Faramir? LOL
You tell me to do what you have done all along.
Someone pass me a kleenex.
Sigh.........
I am sick of people who believe in a luke warm gospel. Abortion is bad but just not that bad for some of these folks. And Jesus takes a second seat behind this issue. Ya cant judge......but then they judge me.
I am tired of people on here who kiss the behinds of those who they know are wrong. They want to be friends with everybody, they want to be well liked, its a popularity contest for them......and they rarely ever quote anything from the Word.........except the scriptures about love. Nothing about the wrath and judgement of God, just love. Well this is a great commandment.......but we should never forget that God is a God who shows wrath and will destroy the wicked.
I can love someone and not want be associated with them. And if you do not want to be associated with me hey that is your choice, put me on ignore. I have always been my own person. I do not email or pm many people here, I am here for one reason and one reason only. I have found as of late that those who like to Pm just want pats on the shoulder. They will thank you for defending them but will kick you to the curb the first chance they get. No thanks....to much drama.
I was a sinful woman who killed her unborn child. I want to share this with people. God changed my heart and life and I live for HIm first. I will not compromise the Word for anyone.
Actions sometimes speak louder than words and the actions of 4choice are evil, I stand by this and will not change my position.
As for my favorite poster.........has to be Augustine, who I have also disagreed with but who I admire because he never COMPROMISES THE WORD AND IS NOT AFRAID TO SHOW IT. He is passionate and you can tell he loves Christ.
Jesus is returning and looks like from the signs of the times, it's not that far away.
And when He returns He will not come back as the Gentle Lamb, but He will split the eastern skies and come in power and might.
Then what will these people do? What will they do when they see it's too late and all this love without change led them down the wrong path?
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Jude 1:23
And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

reply from: carolemarie

Jesus came to save the world, not to condem it, as his disciples we are to tell others about Him and help them step into the destiny that God has for them. The GOOD NEWS is that God wants to reconcile us to HIM....no matter who you are or what you have done! That is so awesome and amazing....
Loving God is alot more than quoting verses at people as you very well know.....and most people resent being preached at. They are more open to being treated as human beings, and you sharing your thoughts with them- a dialog....
This time before Jesus comes back is the age of grace, and we are suppose to be telling the world about Him and how much He loves us! Think back to your conversion, was it a love based conversion or a fear based one?

reply from: sander

Why do you prefer to stay ignorant?
No one is saying that this isn't the age of grace and that God is Love.
But you can't sugar coat the reality that Jesus is coming back with a firey vengenace on those who reject Him.
You can't deny the Word that says we're to HATE even the garment spotted by the flesh and save some by FEAR!
What on earth is the matter with you........
We're not dealing with the average person here, we're dealing with the most vile of creatures that have given themselves over to death and not just any kind of death, but the death of the innocent.
{shaking head in dis-belief}
You truly need to start feasting on the meat of the Word and get off the milk. That was God's way of saying...GROW UP.

reply from: Faramir

Why do you prefer to stay ignorant?
No one is saying that this isn't the age of grace and that God is Love.
But you can't sugar coat the reality that Jesus is coming back with a firey vengenace on those who reject Him.
You can't deny the Word that says we're to HATE even the garment spotted by the flesh and save some by FEAR!
What on earth is the matter with you........
We're not dealing with the average person here, we're dealing with the most vile of creatures that have given themselves over to death and not just any kind of death, but the death of the innocent.
{shaking head in dis-belief}
You truly need to start feasting on the meat of the Word and get off the milk. That was God's way of saying...GROW UP.
You're not a credible witness, because you appear to be in this for yourself, your own glory, and your own selfish motives--that you somehow deserve the privilige of demeaning others or tossing stones at them.
That's why you will always fail.
Your enormous ego stands in the way of the message and you could very well be responsible for some who reject God because of your bad example.

reply from: carolemarie

Before any of that makes a difference to someone, they have to know that there is a God who cares about them and loves them....
Love is a great motivator
I became a Christian because of the Kindness of God and His unfailing love for me, not because I was scared of being zapped....and i love others because He first loved me when I was still a total mess....God opened my eyes and showed me truth, but He did it gently and kindly.....I am just imitating Him

reply from: churchmouse

And you are not juding me? Your whole entire post was judgemental against me for crying out loud. You could have pmed me to tell me that you thought I was out of line but no you did it in front of everyone. You are no friend to me.
You have gone out of your way to criticize me as of late. If anyone started sending inuendos anyones way, it is you towards me and you know it. Look back on past posts.
You know this is it, not going to argue with you anymore. The fact is I went to bat for you when many said you were playing a game, especially when you said goodbye and were leaving. I thought you added a lot to this forum and stood way out on a limb defending you. You have NEVER done that for me. You kicked me to the curb.
You picked your side and that is ok.
I stand by my critique of 4choice. Her actions, anyones actions in PP clinics are monsterous. It is to bad that you have such a hard time stating that.
No you dont and I find that sad. It makes perfect sense because you are supposed to be defending the Word. Do you do this other than just saying........gee your actions are bad because the bible says they are? You need to show people that based on the Word their actions are wrong. The Bible is our moral compass. Many might never have heard the Word in regards to their actions. Why have a bible if you are afraid of using it.
What will you say to God if he asked you why you failed to use the Word? It is His love letter to believers and we should use it, pray on it, and talk about it to others. So now I am obnoxious? LOL
Nobody knows all there is to know, certainly not me. But you dont have to be a brain scientist to quote scripture. It convicted me once.....and it could do the same to someone else. I NEVER CALLED ANYONE A SCUMBAG OR WHORE.
And to even imply I did is wrong.
I stand by what I called 4choices actions. They are monsterous.
SAnder I also believe God has had enough. And I agree......"Then what will these people do? What will they do when they see it's too late and all this love without change led them down the wrong path?"
The Word is the Truth and we Christians should spread this Word. You dont spread it by remaining quiet and assuming they might just find it somewhere down the road. God COMMANDS THAT WE DO THIS, HE DOES NOT SUGGEST IT.
I make no apology for getting preachy and posting scripture, I love Christ and I love the Bible.

reply from: faithman

You are an imitation alright. Phony thru and thru.

reply from: carolemarie

I almost feel sorry for you, so filled with anger and hate when you could have peace and joy...read the book dude

reply from: Faramir

Churchmouse,
I was very shocked by that outrageous personal attack you made. I could't believe you would go so far. Maybe I could have PMd you about it, but all I said was that you crossed a line, and I did not say that in an unkind way.
The comments I made about using scriptures to support calling someone a "scumbag" and the like, were not directed at you. I know you don't use vile words and I know you don't make personal attacks as a rule, and I never said or implied that you did. Not all of my post was about you or directed at you.
It's not at all hard for me to say what should be said. I think abortion is wrong and the act of abortion is evil. I wish 4choice would become prolife and I wish she would instead stand on the sidewalk and plead with women to not abort.
But I can't see her heart or read her mind. I take her at her word that she escorts, not out of a love of dead babies, but because she feels some of the protestors are abusive and demeaning.
She's not a monster, and it's not right to call her one. That kind of rhetoric does nothing to help the unborn, and does nothing to reach her heart. It's as if you've said she's already damned and not worth any consideration, so you've failed to reach out to her in any spirit of Christianity, and instead gave her a reason to reject it.
I don't use the Bible as a six-shooter to pull out when I need to tell somoeone off.
There are many ways to preach the gospel without using words, and many ways to do so by being conversational, and not quoting chapers and verses.
If someone does not believe the bible is a moral compass, and I shove it in their face anyway, all they see is me being pushing and willfull. It's much better to speak to them like a real person, so that they get the idea that I actually care about them, and then maybe I could share scriptures sparingly at first.
The problem is that I'm a sinner myself, so I'm mostly working on fixing me, and don't have a whole lot of time to fix others.
You will draw more attention to the word by preaching it less and by working on acquiring some humility, and sharing your faith with humility. You are careful and troubled about many things. Ponder that and the context of the situation where I got those words.
Thank you for the times you have been supportive. I appreciate it, and I have expressed that publicly and privately. I have defended you as well a couple times, but apparently that's been forgotten. At any rate, I don't do so expecting anything in return, and I don't keep score, and as a rule would not ever mention it. And I would defend you again in the future if there was a good reason to do so.
I never shut anyone out, and the door is always open if you want to talk to me. I don't hold grudges, especially over message board bs.

reply from: churchmouse

Well did Jesus call people vipers? Was He going over the edge? A viper is a snake isn't it?
If you do not think Tiller was a monster then I just don't know what else to say. Should I replace it with viper? Would that satisfy you?
I stand by monster. Abortion you say is an evil act. But a good and moral and loving person just does it, right? Oh that makes perfect sense. Hitler was a great and moral person. He killed millions, but hey lets not call him names.
You have judged me because you have told me I was in error. If you imply that someone is wrong.......you believe there is a right. You don't want me to judge 4choice for her ungodly actions.......but you judge me for mine.

To some it is, if they think the intent is there. Well of course they do.......you don't really convict them by the Word. You make fun of me for quoting scripture and you have told me I am to preachy, that I shouldn't do it because I will lose people. What about the people you might lose by remaining quiet?
I would give 4choice food and shelter and I would go out of my way to help in situations where she just might need help. But to be friends with someone who I feel does not reflect the Word and who does ungodly actions that might suck me in......no way. I wont compromise my faith in Christ for anyone. She goes our of her way to mock God and stick it to pro-lifers.
No you don't and I find that sad. You certainly use it to defend Catholisim. God gave us the Word for a reason. We are commanded to share the Word and to spread the gospel message.
Thank you for calling me obnoxious. You show such christian love Faramir. And nobody knows everything about the Word. You worry to much about alienating and not making friends here and I know how important that is to you.
Darn excited? I am afraid. I am afraid for those who do not know Christ. That is the main reason I share it. It is the very reason Christ came. He talked about hell more than He did heaven. Why? He said in His own Words that there is only ONE WAY to the FATHER. That way is through HIM. If you love someone you share this and you don't wait. What if you had a friend who did not know Christ and you did not want to share the bible or quote scripture as not to alienate him. What if he died before you had a chance to share? What excuse would you tell God?
I am not perfect and sometimes I probably am to harsh but I am not going to hold back as far as sharing the gospel with people sorry. Some people don't have years to change and many will die without accepting Christ because no one shared it with them.
And you miss the entire gospel message if you don't think we should fear God. The gospel is the power of God to save believers from the wrath to come. And this gospel - this good news of Jesus' death and resurrection - has that power to save believers from God's wrath, because in the gospel, day by day, week after week, year after year, God keeps on revealing his righteousness as a gift to be received by faith and for faith, so that those who have their righteousness from God (and not themselves) will not perish but have everlasting life. Knowing the nature of sin and wrath should cause you to love the gospel. You fail to do this by deny that Gods wrath even exists. You then have to think God will not punish a single human being for what they do and decide one earth.
Romans 1:17-18. "In the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "BUT THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH." (18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness." We need the Gospel because the wrath of God is being revealed.
From Romans 5 we see that universal human death is a revealing or a manifestation of the wrath of God. From Romans 8 we see that universal futility and misery are evidence of God's wrath against human sin.

reply from: Faramir

I've got nothing more to say churchmouse except that you're looking for reasons to be offended.
You're welcome to contact me any time if you want to.

reply from: churchmouse

Why did He give us the Word? If I offend people by the Word I dont know what to say, I do not mean to. I love it and want to share it. If they want to put me on ignore fine, I am not going to change.
I was scared to death a second before I accepted Christ because I knew how evil I was and I wondered how God could forgive me. I NEEDED CHRIST BECAUSE I WAS EVIL AND MY ACTIONS REFLECTED THAT. I too was a monster that day I walked into PP. Thank goodness a friend told me in blunt terms where I stood. And she based it on the Word.........she SHOWED ME SCRIPTURES.
Sander you are right God will come back with a vengeance. And the people who just arent scared, will certainly be surprised won't they?
Don't let some here scare you Sander........I love your passion for the Truth. Faramir said some mean things and he judged you which based on his own views he shouldn't do.
Then you should have made your posts clearer.
God will judge her. I said her actions were monsterous and I stand by that. So you blame me for her salvation? Just like you.......... I am responsible for sharing the gospel and calling sin what it is. You candy coat it preferring to sit back for years until she is ready to hear. Do you know that she will live that long? Does she have time to wait?
You do it your way, I prefer mine.
And you are humble Faramir? I wont even remind you of past posts where you showed your humbleness.
And you expect me to believe that? You never defended me so don't pat yourself on the back for that one. I have gone out on a limb, out of my way to defend you and you know it. I begged you to stay when you made that thread about your grande exit. Then I find out you were hiding as someone else. I am the one who looked like a fool. LOL
Then you just announced to the thread "You are careful and troubled about many things."
Troubled? About what Faramir? What am I troubled about? No thanks don't want your support. Go support 4choice......make her feel warm and fuzzy about what she does, aint gonna work for me, not anymore.
I want to go through the narrow gate, the door to eternity with Christ not any other door.
The fact that you are implying here that I am the one totally at fault shows your lack of humility and it only shows your ego.
No thanks, but God Bless anyway.

reply from: churchmouse

"I've got nothing more to say churchmouse except that you're looking for reasons to be offended.You're welcome to contact me any time if you want to. "
I am not looking for anything of the kind.
I wont be contacting you, that you can be sure.
God Bless


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