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by: prochoiceinNY

I'm pretty new here, and I'd really like to know what it is with all the anti-choicers on this board.
The POC are not born.
To have rights you must be born.
Human being, person etc etc, it doesnt matter.
You only have rights if you are born! There's nothing hard to understand about that, to get rights you must be born!

reply from: iCelebr8Life

This is pro-life America forum. The pro-life viewpoint is that from the moment of conception a new human life begins and that human life is precious and unique. While the rights of the unborn child are denied by governments and laws, and the US Supreme court has granted women the right to lethally expel children from the womb, that does not make abortion right or less deadly to human persons in the womb. Abortion aka embryo and fetus killing are legal and lethal, so what is your beef? Do you delight in them? I sure don't and I am doing my darndest to inspire mothers to carry to term rather than ripping their unborn children out of their wombs

reply from: Faramir

I take exception to the term "anti-choice," which is intended to be a pejorative, but is also based on the flawed and deceptive term, "pro-choice."
"Pro-choice" means to be "pro abortion rights," and is a PR gimmick designed to hide the word "abortion."
Anyway, the idea is to define and expand rights that include the unborn, so that they are not sliced and diced unjustly at will.
What's wrong with wanting to give them rights?

reply from: prochoiceinNY

Well, if "pro-choice" is for abortion rights and pro-lifers are against abortion, then you can say prolifers are "anti-choice".
And you are against choice, you want a woman to not be able to choose what she does with HER body!

reply from: sk1bianca

pro-lifers are against the choice of abortion. not against the other choices (there ARE other choices, ya know... and they don't involve killing anyone). so anti-choice is not really accurate. more like anti-choice-to-kill-unborn-children.
in your original speech, replace "born" with "white" and see what comes out.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

You're not killing anyone when you abort, you're expelling POC.
I sure as ***** didn't think I was killing anyone when I had an abortion. Hell! If I thought I was killing someone I wouldnt have had five (one abortion was of triplets! Man I dodged a bullet on that!!)
And there are what, a million abortions a year, you guys gonna take all those POC when theyre born? You going to pay for their diapers and formula and clothes and their schooling and their entire life up till they're 18?

reply from: sk1bianca

you are "expelling" a human being which dies in the process. that's killing. the purpose of abortion is to kill, not to remove. birth removes the child. abortion kills it.
i hope you're not trying to say unborn children are not human beings. even abortionists know that and publicly admit it.

reply from: Skippy

That's actually not true. The purpose of abortion is to end the pregnancy in a timely manner. That the embryo or fetus dies as a result is a side effect.
If there was a method no more invasive than abortion to remove the embryo or fetus and gestate it elsewhere, I don't think anyone who wishes to terminate a pregnancy would object to doing that instead of having an abortion.

reply from: sk1bianca

when a woman is pregnant she has a child (or she will have a child, for you freaks who believe the unborn are not children). women have abortions because, for various reasons, they don't want that child.
they don't want that child alive somewhere out there. if they did, they would have chosen adoption.

reply from: faithman

That's actually not true. The purpose of abortion is to end the pregnancy in a timely manner. That the embryo or fetus dies as a result is a side effect.
If there was a method no more invasive than abortion to remove the embryo or fetus and gestate it elsewhere, I don't think anyone who wishes to terminate a pregnancy would object to doing that instead of having an abortion.
This is where you are absolutly wrong. The objective of the abortionist is to deliver a dead child. One procedure is exactly the same as a C-section, except they kill the child first. They could just as easily deliver a live child. What do you think the born alive act was all about? The one the criminal elect voted against. Women pay for a dead child, not a delivered one that is alive. Abortion kills womb children, that is the purpose, not a side effect.

reply from: Skippy

Adoption is not a pregnancy choice. It is a parenting choice. A woman who does not want to be pregnant any longer has only two choices: Continue to do something she doesn't want to do, or have an abortion.
I realize that the moonbat contingent of the anti-choice movement actually believes that abortion is about women wanting their embryos and fetuses dead. But it isn't. It is about removing an unwanted pregnancy. Come up with a suitable alternative, and this whole debate can go away.

reply from: sk1bianca

women don't want to be pregnant because pregnancy involves a CHILD. you just can't separate these two. pregnancy would normally end with HAVING A CHILD. that's what they are trying to prevent.
i have never heard a woman saying she had an abortion because she didn't want to be pregnant any more. their reasons are all about the child:
- don't want a child
- can't afford a child
- child would interfere with work or school
- boyfriend/husband doesn't want the child
- not ready to have a child
- child is damaged
i'm not talking about women who have abortions because of health issues.

reply from: sander

Adoption is not a pregnancy choice. It is a parenting choice. A woman who does not want to be pregnant any longer has only two choices: Continue to do something she doesn't want to do, or have an abortion.
I realize that the moonbat contingent of the anti-choice movement actually believes that abortion is about women wanting their embryos and fetuses dead. But it isn't. It is about removing an unwanted pregnancy. Come up with a suitable alternative, and this whole debate can go away.
It never ceases to amaze me how utterly stupid proaborts are on top of being such violent creatures.
A woman can't become "un-pregnant' until her baby is dead, DUMBASS.
And all your word twisting won't change the FACTS.

reply from: Skippy

Adoption is not a pregnancy choice. It is a parenting choice. A woman who does not want to be pregnant any longer has only two choices: Continue to do something she doesn't want to do, or have an abortion.
I realize that the moonbat contingent of the anti-choice movement actually believes that abortion is about women wanting their embryos and fetuses dead. But it isn't. It is about removing an unwanted pregnancy. Come up with a suitable alternative, and this whole debate can go away.
It never ceases to amaze me how utterly stupid proaborts are on top of being such violent creatures.
A woman can't become "un-pregnant' until her baby is dead, DUMBASS.
And all your word twisting won't change the FACTS.
*shrug*
The fact is that the medical technology to remove a pregnancy without killing the embryo or fetus does not exist at this time. It is also a fact that advances in medical technology could change that in the future.

reply from: faithman

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=MAAFA+21&aq=f

reply from: sander

Utterly heart breaking.
And every single lousy, filthy, rabid, violent proabort that exists, including on this site share in the GUILT of these atrocities.

reply from: sander

Adoption is not a pregnancy choice. It is a parenting choice. A woman who does not want to be pregnant any longer has only two choices: Continue to do something she doesn't want to do, or have an abortion.
I realize that the moonbat contingent of the anti-choice movement actually believes that abortion is about women wanting their embryos and fetuses dead. But it isn't. It is about removing an unwanted pregnancy. Come up with a suitable alternative, and this whole debate can go away.
It never ceases to amaze me how utterly stupid proaborts are on top of being such violent creatures.
A woman can't become "un-pregnant' until her baby is dead, DUMBASS.
And all your word twisting won't change the FACTS.
*shrug*
The fact is that the medical technology to remove a pregnancy without killing the embryo or fetus does not exist at this time. It is also a fact that advances in medical technology could change that in the future.
While you're busy being able to "shurg" your shoulders, today 4,000 tiny shoulders will never know the pleasure.
You people are sick in your heads, minds and within every ounce of your beings.
But, just feel free to continue in your display of stupidity....it's the only thing you people do that is worthwhile...at least there's a little entertainment involved.

reply from: CharlesD

Would any of the abortion supporters on here care to show me where in the Constitution it says that you have to be born to have rights? The only thing I can find is that being born grants you citizenship, but the Constitution never says that basic human rights are contingent on being a U.S. citizen. The government cannot deny any person the rights of life, liberty, or property without due process. It doesn't say any born person. If we are to consider that those words were written at a time when the commonly accepted definition of person was human being, there really isn't any room for an interpretation that excludes certain human beings. Abortion on demand is in violation of a proper reading of the 14th amendment, especially if we read it in light of the intent of the authors.

reply from: faithman

and that intent is spelled out in the preamble. "secure these Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity," . Posterity means persons yet to be born. The spirit of the constitution is to preserve life, not give the right to kill it.

reply from: faithman

and that intent is spelled out in the preamble. "secure these Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity," . Posterity means persons yet to be born. The spirit of the constitution is to preserve life, not give the right to kill it.

reply from: AshMarie88

The right to what? What rights do newborns have? 2 year olds? 5 year olds? 10 year olds? They ONLY have the right to LIVE. They have no other rights, because they're not old enough yet. Just like them, the preborn are not old enough to have adult rights yet, but, unlike newborns, they are discriminated against and "told" they don't even have the right to LIVE. You don't have true rights until you turn 18. Lets make it legal to kill kids up until the age of 18, then.

reply from: AshMarie88

Well, if "pro-choice" is for abortion rights and pro-lifers are against abortion, then you can say prolifers are "anti-choice".
And you are against choice, you want a woman to not be able to choose what she does with HER body!
I make choices every day, and I'm a woman. I just don't make the choice of KILLING someone that had no choice of being conceived or not, from my own CHOICE PRIOR!

reply from: AshMarie88

You're not killing anyone when you abort, you're expelling POC.
I sure as ***** didn't think I was killing anyone when I had an abortion. Hell! If I thought I was killing someone I wouldnt have had five (one abortion was of triplets! Man I dodged a bullet on that!!)
And there are what, a million abortions a year, you guys gonna take all those POC when theyre born? You going to pay for their diapers and formula and clothes and their schooling and their entire life up till they're 18?
I have a feeling this person is either WAY too horrific, or just someone pretending to sound like the most idiotic pro-abortion person ever.
Because, honestly, what pro-abortion idiot would say "triplets", giving their children a HUMAN label? Hm.....

reply from: Banned Member

I am anti-abortion. I am for the unborn. I am for the rights of human persons. A person becomes a person when they are conceived. Every human person begins their existance as a conceived human person. A person is a body and a spirit; a physical entity with a right and compelling function to live. The human person strives in both mind and body and design to live, not to die. To end that compunction to live unnaturally is murder. Abortion doctors and those who pay them and enable them to continue to perform abortion are murderers.
Anyone who does not believe that abortion is murder given the scientific knowledge and evidence to the contrary, is living in the dark ages.

reply from: faithman

and that intent is spelled out in the preamble. "secure these Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity," . Posterity means persons yet to be born. The spirit of the constitution is to preserve life, not give the right to kill it.
"Posterity," in this context, means future generations. While I fully understand your argument, however, I would be remiss if I did not point out the fact that many will assert that it applies only to those who will eventually be born, and the intentions of the authors would logically be the deciding factor. I do not believe this argument goes in our favor....The law, apparently, supports my conclusion.
No it does nopt. You totally ignore all the other constitutional facts that have been presented, because you are an arrogant fool. You could care less what the constitution actually says, just like your secular humanist court thast unconstitutionally made Roe "law" from the bench, when they had no constitutional authority to do so.

reply from: 4choice4all

Fm.....you are arguing legal matters...and legal scholars concur with CP.

reply from: faithman

No they do not. Most legal scholars agree that Roe is bad law, by a court that usurped constitutional legislative authority from congress. All we get from you punks is your opinion. I have shown multiple times what the constitution actually says.

reply from: 4choice4all

Oh yes...we should all live by FM's interpretation of the Constitution. No thanks, I'll stick to judicial scholars.

reply from: sander

They would have loved to have you around when slavery was deemed legal by "judical scholars".

reply from: prochoiceinNY

Roe gives us legal cred, and it aint going to be overturned any time soon.
Slavery is different, its impinging on the rights of BORN people.
If abortionists want to say the POC are human fine, its obviously not a cat or a gorilla, but the POC are unwanted by the woman who's uterus its living in, so if the woman wants the POC gone, down to PP and hey bingo, its gone!

reply from: prochoiceinNY

Utterly heart breaking.
And every single lousy, filthy, rabid, violent proabort that exists, including on this site share in the GUILT of these atrocities.
Since the majority of crime is committed by black people or poor people, then by all means, abortions offered more widely in these ghettos the better!

reply from: prochoiceinNY

The difference is while a 5 year old doesn't have the right to vote, it is still a person, the POC are not a person since they are not born, as soon as they're born they get all their rights.
And as for killing kids till they're 18, well, circumstances change, and some of those brats shouldn't be allowed to run rampant. I would shed no tears if some of those little *****s were taken out of the sandbox.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

So? Just be grateful you live in a country where you can make choices, and the choice to expel POC if you don't want them.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

Beleive whatever you will about me and my realness.
Triplets isn't just a "HUMAN" label, there were three POC gestating in my womb, therefore, I can say "triplets", its what the abortionist said, and the nurses, and so, I can say.

reply from: lukesmom

you make pond scum look appealing. Sorry, gotta go throw up now.

reply from: Shenanigans

Beleive whatever you will about me and my realness.
Triplets isn't just a "HUMAN" label, there were three POC gestating in my womb, therefore, I can say "triplets", its what the abortionist said, and the nurses, and so, I can say.
I'm going to pray for you to be whacked with infertility. Even if you wake up one morning and desire for foeti of your very own, I won't take the risk.

reply from: Shenanigans

I'm guessing you're the kind of boob who has a great big swastika tattooed on your back.

reply from: Shenanigans

Support bacteria, its the only culture some people have.

reply from: 4choice4all

That was actually pretty funny! lol ^^^

reply from: Shenanigans

I've been known to churn out a few gems from time to time.

reply from: sheri

I know NY seems to be sickenly proabortion, it is hard to take in all that with out being disgusted, but try to keep in mind usually when we come accross one this stirred up , we have a person very much hurting from their choice, keep them in your prayers and try to be patient.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

Funny how people think I'm hurting inside when none of you idiots have met me.
I assure you, I am not hurting. I'm proud of my life, and proud of my choices and I'd make the same ones again if I went back in time to relive it all. In fact, I'd love to go back, the clinic staff were amazing, and we joked and laughed and my abortions were the best days of my life.
Everyyear I send the clinic and the staff a card and some chocies thanking them for their great care and wishing them all the best for the coming year. Same with my xmas card list!!

reply from: 4given

At what gestational age were your offspring? Which abortion procedure did you have?

reply from: CDC700

Funny how people think I'm hurting inside when none of you idiots have met me.
I assure you, I am not hurting. I'm proud of my life, and proud of my choices and I'd make the same ones again if I went back in time to relive it all. In fact, I'd love to go back, the clinic staff were amazing, and we joked and laughed and my abortions were the best days of my life.
Everyyear I send the clinic and the staff a card and some chocies thanking them for their great care and wishing them all the best for the coming year. Same with my xmas card list!!
Whoever has made this character up, has a pretty twisted sense of humor. It isn't possible for someone to be so many things at the same time. And for Rosalie, 4C4A and the clan to not be complaining, tells me it's a fake. They would hate to be outdone on lunacy.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

Short of posting my home address and phone number, along with my photo, what information would you need to prove I"m real?
I mean, how do I know you'r enot fake?
And you think I'm bad? You people have maniacs running around this place praising some manky old sky god that Tiller is dead! And you have the gaul to question my realness?

reply from: 4given

CDC700.. My time is valuable. I suspect she is dishonest also.. and trolling..

reply from: CDC700

Short of posting my home address and phone number, along with my photo, what information would you need to prove I"m real?
I mean, how do I know you'r enot fake?
And you think I'm bad? You should see what the rest of my family does to me when nobody is looking!
That's sad to hear.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

I've had five abortions. One was of triplets.
The first abortion I had I was 16 and about 4 months pregnant, so about 15, 16 weeks. I had what's called a D&E i believe, well, I think that's what its called, they used tong like things to dismember the POC. Because I was only 16 and a little nervous they put me to sleep, when I woke up, it was like it had been a nice dream. I felt so releived! My grammy took me to the hospital where I had it done, it was a small town so they didn't have a clinic there that would do them at that age.
The second abortion was when I was 18, it was at 7 weeks, and it was just a suction one. I had this in NY when I came to visit my cousin. I met my life partner this day and it was the best day of my life!! It was a suction abortion, and I wanted to be awake for the operation. The nurse and me were having a good conversation and I wanted it to continue. The doctor was a woman who said there weren't a lot of women doctors doing the procedure. Anyway, my life partner was there for her abortion too!! She was 19!
My third abortion was at 12 weeks. I was 20. we had discussed having a kid and so I got pregnant to a guy friend of ours, but at about 10 weeks our circumstances changed and so we decided best to abort and we could try later. I was awake during this one too and the procedure they did was like suction, but had moments were some kind of long instrument was inserted.
My fourth was of the triplets. It was 9 weeks. I was 21 and a few months and our cirumstances were back to financial stability, but at 8 weeks we discovered there were three and we couldnt' handle that, and we had only wanted one, so we decided to abort the pregnancy. It was a suction one too.
My fifth abortion, well, I wish I could say that was us wanting pregnancy again, but I cheated on my partner, I got really drunk at a work function and she was so hurt that she said she couldn't love a child that would remind her of my unfaithfulness. And since I was prochocie and had had abortions I wasn't bothered to get it done. It was about 11 weeks. Another suction. I was 27.
I'm 31 now and we're both happy in our relationship and we've decided we dont' want kids just yet. And if we do choose, my partner will carry the POC since I"m sick of them being in me. Its so gross, having something leech off you like a parasite. Yuck!!
I kept a journal of my experiences and hope to write a book about it at some point!

reply from: Shenanigans

So, is your partner pro-choice as you, did she have just the one abortion? Does she feel like less of a feminist because she hasn't had as many as you, if she hasn't had as many as you?
Is the reason she's the one who's going to be carrying your next lot of "POC" because you're too infertile from all your abortions?

reply from: Rosalie

You don't understand the difference between "born" and "white", do you?
I thought not.
And you'd think you people would realize by now that pro-choice refers to pro-REPRODUCTIVE-choice. Which is entirely honest as pro-choicers BOTH reproductive choices equally and without judgment. It's so weird that THIS seems to rub you people the wrong way.
The fact that to give them rights you'd have to take these rights away from US, the women.
Not going to happen. Ever.
I don't care what you call it. Call it a child even when it is a zygote, I don't care. But I do not believe anyone 'has a child' until they actively start taking care of that child and are set on give the child their utmost love, attention and the very best in life. That is the moment when someone becomes a parent.
Getting pregnant and/or giving birth simply doesn't cut it. (But this of course has no bearing on this entire debate.)

reply from: sk1bianca

so if people don't love or take care of their children they can't be charged with neglect or abuse because they don't actually "have" children, right?

reply from: Rosalie

Thank you for illustrating your endless stupidity in just two paragraphs.
How your sick brains can vomit something like this is beyond me. But it will probably win you some brownie points among your equally asinine misogynists.

reply from: Rosalie

so if people don't love or take care of their children they can't be charged with neglect or abuse because they don't actually "have" children, right?
Wow, count on you to not understand a word of what I said. Are you for real? Did you REALLY not understand my post or are you just playing stupid? Serious question.

reply from: sk1bianca

you never answer any questions. you just keep calling everybody stupid.

reply from: faithman

Stupid is as stupid does......

reply from: Rosalie

First tell me if you REALLY did not understand my post or not. If you did understand it, then you have purposefully misinterpreted it just to attack me. If you didn't then you are stupid and I won't waste my time.

reply from: sk1bianca

you said:
if one believes he doesn't really "have a child" because he refuses to take care of him, should this be an excuse for his behavior?

reply from: Rosalie

if one believes he doesn't really "have a child" because he refuses to take care of him, should this be an excuse for his behavior?
You're so stupid it hurts.
I don't consider people who abuse and rape their kids to be 'parents', either. I am NOT arguing biological relationship, I am merely stating that to be a parent one must feel unconditional love to their child and act on it. Rapists, abusers etc. obviously do not fulfill this condition.
That doesn't rid them of any responsibility for their horrible deeds or the fact that they have contributed with their genetic material to the making of the child.
I stated CLEARLY (and not for the first time here, either) that in MY opinion these people do not deserve to be called parents.
Do you finally understand that or do you really need to go back to school? You sound like a 5th grade drop-out.

reply from: faithman

if one believes he doesn't really "have a child" because he refuses to take care of him, should this be an excuse for his behavior?
You're so stupid it hurts.
I don't consider people who abuse and rape their kids to be 'parents', either. I am NOT arguing biological relationship, I am merely stating that to be a parent one must feel unconditional love to their child and act on it. Rapists, abusers etc. obviously do not fulfill this condition.
That doesn't rid them of any responsibility for their horrible deeds or the fact that they have contributed with their genetic material to the making of the child.
I stated CLEARLY (and not for the first time here, either) that in MY opinion these people do not deserve to be called parents.
Do you finally understand that or do you really need to go back to school? You sound like a 5th grade drop-out.
And the sick little death scanc puppy ignores the fact that Planned Parenthood covers up the crimes of thes "parents" by aborting the evidence. SSSSSOOOO not only are children being forced to have sex with a parent, that same parent is forcing a child to have an abortion at Planned Parenthood. OH!!!! your family values are over whelming!!!!! Feel the death scanc luv!!!!!

reply from: sk1bianca

i wasn't talking about parents or the biological relationship, i was talking about YOUR idea of "having a child". do you have amnesia or do i just have to post it again?

reply from: Rosalie

Oh dear. You really did not understand either of my posts. I guess that 5th-grade drop-out was too flattering. They are much smarter than you.

reply from: sk1bianca

yep... amnesia...

reply from: Rosalie

You only keep proving that did not understand that post (or the one with detailed explanation) at all.
I pity you.

reply from: sander

sk1,
This vile creature pities you.
Now, without a shadow of a doubt, you can know you are on the right track in life.

reply from: faithman

You only keep proving that did not understand that post (or the one with detailed explanation) at all.
I pity you.
And the sick little death scanc puppy ignores the fact that Planned Parenthood covers up the crimes of these "parents" by aborting the evidence. SSSSSOOOO not only are children being forced to have sex with a parent, that same parent is forcing a child to have an abortion at Planned Parenthood. OH!!!! your family values are over whelming!!!!! Feel the death scanc luv!!!!!

reply from: Rosalie

explain!
I have. You are too stupid to understand the explanation.

reply from: faithman

explain!
I have. You are too stupid to understand the explanation.
AAAAAWWHHHH!!!! Look at the little death scanc fool evade again!!! Aint her cute!!!! Now if we could just get it to use the news papers......

reply from: sk1bianca

her explanation consists in calling people names...
she said she doesn't believe anyone "has a child" until they actively start taking care of that child.
so if she gives birth to a child and refuse to take of him, she no longer "has a child"... as if the child fades into non-existence.
i'm only trying to point out what ridiculous things people say when they don't use their brains... if they have one...

reply from: faithman

I think they need to check out that hole in the back of the neck thing.....

reply from: Rosalie

A 'pro-lifer' complaining about insults - that's rich.
I CANNOT DUMB IT DOWN FOR YOU ANY MORE. I can copy&paste the post in which I actually made the effort to make it understandable for people like you but you still do not understand. This is the post. I have bolded the most important parts:
This is the explanation you have been whining about for the past hour. If you are too dumb to get it, that's not my problem.

reply from: sk1bianca

how come that doesn't apply to abortion? abortion is the worst form of child abuse.

reply from: faithman

A 'pro-lifer' complaining about insults - that's rich.
I CANNOT DUMB IT DOWN FOR YOU ANY MORE. I can copy&paste the post in which I actually made the effort to make it understandable for people like you but you still do not understand. This is the post. I have bolded the most important parts:
This is the explanation you have been whining about for the past hour. If you are too dumb to get it, that's not my problem.
AAAAWWWHHHH!!! Look at the littlew death scanc ignopre the fact that Planned Parenthood covers for sexual abuse, by helping the abusers force their victims into the abortion clinics.....

reply from: Rosalie

how come that doesn't apply to abortion? abortion is the worst form of child abuse.
Oh look, another pro-fetal-lifer who discards the suffering of children who feel pain, who are actually aware of what's happening to them and have seen horrors people like you can't begin to imagine by comparing them to embryos.
People like you make me sick.
And no, I don't expect you to understand this post. At all.

reply from: sk1bianca

because being spanked is so much worse than being dismembered alive.

reply from: Rosalie

Do you have ANY idea what abuse means? ANY IDEA AT ALL?
You clearly have no idea about abuse OR abortion. Which further proves my point that you are dumb.
Go and educate yourself. On both subjects. And take up some reading&comprehension classes while you're at it.
When you're done, we can talk. If I don't die of old age by then.

reply from: sk1bianca

some people consider spanking as an abuse.

reply from: faithman

how come that doesn't apply to abortion? abortion is the worst form of child abuse.
Oh look, another pro-fetal-lifer who discards the suffering of children who feel pain, who are actually aware of what's happening to them and have seen horrors people like you can't begin to imagine by comparing them to embryos.
People like you make me sick.
And no, I don't expect you to understand this post. At all.
Hey scanc. All late term abortions are preformed on children who can feel pain. It is a medical fact that the womb child is able to feel pain as early as 17 weeks. When Tiller the ex-babykillerist stuck scissors in the base of little skulls, little arms and legs would flail in the air from the pain of it. And of course you ignore the children who were forced to have sex, then carted to Planned Parenthood, and forced to have an abortion to cover up the crime committed against them. Thatr would be a twofer on your side. You abuse both the born, and preborn child, and do so for conveniance and/or money.

reply from: Rosalie

I don't speak stupid trash, misogynist.

reply from: faithman

just stupid trash... and once again you ignore who the real child abusers are.

reply from: yoda

I would say that she is a misandrist, but she would probably take that as a compliment.

reply from: sander

You're going to teach her a brand new word...lordy, that's all she'll write for months on end now...
Thank goodness for the iggy button.

reply from: Banned Member

Congratulations! That's one of the least intelligent things I've heard you say. And that's saying something.
For the record, I do think this is a prankster, just trying to push the pro-life buttons.

reply from: Rosalie

From you and every other psycho pro-fetal-lifer on the internet? Of course.
Also considering the fact that in your head "misandrist" is a woman who doesn't allow anyone to make her private, medical choices for her. And in that case, I'm proud to be what YOU call a misandrist.

reply from: faithman

how come that doesn't apply to abortion? abortion is the worst form of child abuse.
Oh look, another pro-fetal-lifer who discards the suffering of children who feel pain, who are actually aware of what's happening to them and have seen horrors people like you can't begin to imagine by comparing them to embryos.
People like you make me sick.
And no, I don't expect you to understand this post. At all.
Hey scanc. All late term abortions are preformed on children who can feel pain. It is a medical fact that the womb child is able to feel pain as early as 17 weeks. When Tiller the ex-babykillerist stuck scissors in the base of little skulls, little arms and legs would flail in the air from the pain of it. And of course you ignore the children who were forced to have sex, then carted to Planned Parenthood, and forced to have an abortion to cover up the crime committed against them. Thatr would be a twofer on your side. You abuse both the born, and preborn child, and do so for conveniance and/or money.

reply from: Rosalie

I don't speak trash, terrorist.

reply from: faithman

You just live it scanc!!!

reply from: Rosalie

What's happening in Iran right now is much more important than this could ever be.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/13/iran-demonstrations-viole_n_215189.html
http://elections.7rooz.com/link/330/ http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=4451899 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.
See? I can copy&paste as well.

reply from: faithman

And your criminal elect could care less, not intends to do anything about it. He is too busy making sure that Children who's mommas paid to have them put to death, are put to death.

reply from: CDC700

here's what your hero had to say about it.
"It is up to Iranians to make decisions about who Iran's leaders will be," B. O.

reply from: Rosalie

here's what your hero had to say about it.
"It is up to Iranians to make decisions about who Iran's leaders will be," B. O.
WELL OF COURSE HE DID SAY THAT. AND RIGHTFULLY SO.
If you were at least a little educated on the matter you'd also know why: Iranians DO NOT LIKE other nations getting involved in their politics at all. They appreciate the support they get from the informed people who care more than someone like you could ever imagine but they don't want interference from us or anyone else. If Obama had said anything else, it would harm them because there'd be accusations that Mousavi is a western agent/spy etc.
But of course you would have to be intelligent and educate yourself on the matter to know that so that rules you out.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/13/iran-demonstrations-viole_n_215189.html
http://elections.7rooz.com/link/330/ http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=4451899 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.

reply from: CDC700

here's what your hero had to say about it.
"It is up to Iranians to make decisions about who Iran's leaders will be," B. O.
WELL OF COURSE HE DID SAY THAT. AND RIGHTFULLY SO.
If you were at least a little educated on the matter you'd also know why: Iranians DO NOT LIKE other nations getting involved in their politics at all. They appreciate the support they get from the informed people who care more than someone like you could ever imagine but they don't want interference from us or anyone else. If Obama had said anything else, it would harm them because there'd be accusations that Mousavi is a western agent/spy etc.
But of course you would have to be intelligent and educate yourself on the matter to know that so that rules you out.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/13/iran-demonstrations-viole_n_215189.html
http://elections.7rooz.com/link/330/ http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=4451899 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.
if YOU were a little more educated in US history, and less ignorant, you would know that Germany didn't want FDR involved in their affairs either. maybe we should have stayed out of that one too? Dumba$$

reply from: 4choice4all

Forgive them Rosalie...they don't know what sound foreign policy looks like...or diplomacy, obviously.

reply from: CDC700

How about Reagan, was he sticking his nose where it didn't belong too? I don't expect either of you to understand foreign policy, you can't even get abortion right.

reply from: Rosalie

Instead of admitting your own stupidity, you went with a non-sequitur and a personal attack.
Of course. You are 'pro-life'. You do not seek to get rid of your own ignorance.
Honestly, they don't matter enough to me to care so much that I would feel the need to forgive them. They're an unforunate sample of pro-lifers who revel in verbal abuse, threats, insults and ignorance.
It is obvious that CDC has absolutely no idea what this all is about - he only sought to attack me and smear President Obama's name - and he only managed to make himself look like an idiot.

reply from: CDC700

Instead of admitting your own stupidity, you went with a non-sequitur and a personal attack.
Of course. You are 'pro-life'. You do not seek to get rid of your own ignorance.
Honestly, they don't matter enough to me to care so much that I would feel the need to forgive them. They're an unforunate sample of pro-lifers who revel in verbal abuse, threats, insults and ignorance.
It is obvious that CDC has absolutely no idea what this all is about - he only sought to attack me and smear President Obama's name - and he only managed to make himself look like an idiot.
If you consider quoting BO's response a "smear" you don't agree with it either. Who looks like an idiot? I pointed out just two instances where a president chose to involve our country in foreign affairs where true democracy and freedoms were jeopardized. I guess "change we can believe in" includes being a hypocrite. Do you see things differently? Your response indicates otherwise.

reply from: Rosalie

Instead of admitting your own stupidity, you went with a non-sequitur and a personal attack.
Of course. You are 'pro-life'. You do not seek to get rid of your own ignorance.
Honestly, they don't matter enough to me to care so much that I would feel the need to forgive them. They're an unforunate sample of pro-lifers who revel in verbal abuse, threats, insults and ignorance.
It is obvious that CDC has absolutely no idea what this all is about - he only sought to attack me and smear President Obama's name - and he only managed to make himself look like an idiot.
If you consider quoting BO's response a "smear" you don't agree with it either. Who looks like an idiot? I pointed out just two instances where a president chose to involve our country in foreign affairs where true democracy and freedoms were jeopardized. I guess "change we can believe in" includes being a hypocrite. Do you see things differently? Your response indicates otherwise.
You quoted him because you had hoped that I will be outraged. You quoted him because you're hysterically, desperately trying to find something else about him that you could hate. You are so pathetic.
Please educate yourself on the situation in Iran before you attempt to make any further comments about it. You clearly still don't understand what's going on there OR why Obama made this particular comment.

reply from: CDC700

Instead of admitting your own stupidity, you went with a non-sequitur and a personal attack.
Of course. You are 'pro-life'. You do not seek to get rid of your own ignorance.
Honestly, they don't matter enough to me to care so much that I would feel the need to forgive them. They're an unforunate sample of pro-lifers who revel in verbal abuse, threats, insults and ignorance.
It is obvious that CDC has absolutely no idea what this all is about - he only sought to attack me and smear President Obama's name - and he only managed to make himself look like an idiot.
If you consider quoting BO's response a "smear" you don't agree with it either. Who looks like an idiot? I pointed out just two instances where a president chose to involve our country in foreign affairs where true democracy and freedoms were jeopardized. I guess "change we can believe in" includes being a hypocrite. Do you see things differently? Your response indicates otherwise.
You quoted him because you had hoped that I will be outraged. You quoted him because you're hysterically, desperately trying to find something else about him that you could hate. You are so pathetic.
Please educate yourself on the situation in Iran before you attempt to make any further comments about it. You clearly still don't understand what's going on there OR why Obama made this particular comment.
It is clear to me that you suffer in comprehension. You can read, but you don't really understand what you are reading. IE: your responses to my last two posts where you evade any of the subject matter and just throw out your standard "your stupid" or "you don't know". You are the perfect Screaming Liberal...Blind and Led.

reply from: Banned Member

A person who has a child but then gives them up for adoption, isn't a parent. They essentially refused to take care of them. The person who has never given birth who adopts the child is a parent, even though they never gave birth. They are providing the love & care, so they are a parent. Why is this ridiculous?
Just as I've said before, just because you give birth, it doesn't make you a Mother, & you don't have to give birth to be a Mother.

reply from: Banned Member

You almost act like a pregnancy is a desired outcome of abuse, like it's such a great thing, because then the abuse is out in the open. You are sick.

reply from: Rosalie

Please get back to me when you actually understand the situaiton. You are only embarrassing yourself further and I don't see why I should discuss the situation in Tehran with someone who 1) doesn't understand what's going on, 2) refuses to understand what's going on, 3) isn't capable of debating anything with someone who has a different opinion on abortion.
Is that clear enough for you or will you try to pull the "you are evading!!!!" crap again in a vain attempt to cover up your ignorance of the subject?

reply from: Rosalie

A person who has a child but then gives them up for adoption, isn't a parent. They essentially refused to take care of them. The person who has never given birth who adopts the child is a parent, even though they never gave birth. They are providing the love & care, so they are a parent. Why is this ridiculous?
Just as I've said before, just because you give birth, it doesn't make you a Mother, & you don't have to give birth to be a Mother.
Syrenity - pretty much what you said.
All I said was that it is my sincere opinion that biology does not a parent make. Anyone can conceive and give birth but that doesn't make anyone a parent. A lifetime of unconditional love, support, worry and care is what makes people parents. I don't know what's so horrible or difficult to understand about that.
I have dumbed it down for sk1bianca but she doesn't want to/refuses to understand.

reply from: yoda

Just as I've said before, just because you make up crappy excuses for definitions and post them here doesn't make you a sane OR an honest person.
mother NOUN: 1. A woman who conceives, gives birth to, or raises and nurtures a child. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000. http://www.bartleby.com/61/78/M0437800.html

http://www.answers.com/topic/mother?cat=health
mother 1(m?TH'?r) n.
A female person who is pregnant with or gives birth to a child.
A female person whose egg unites with a sperm, resulting in the conception of a child.
A woman who adopts a child.
A woman who raises a child.
A female parent of an animal.
A female ancestor.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mother

reply from: Banned Member

So a woman who gets pregnant but doesn't want a child should be forced to raise it also? Are you against adoption as well?
Clue to Yoda, words have a vernacular meaning outside of what the dictionary says, sometimes.

reply from: yoda

"So"?
When you ask that question, it usually means that you have drawn a certain inference from what someone else has said. In this case, however, that is not possible so you must simply be trying to change the subject.
No arguments against the dictionary?

reply from: Yuuki

How wrong you are. His statement refers to the genetic relationship between the mother and child. That you ASSumed he meant parental responsibility is your own problem.
O wait. I thought Yoda says I never ever defend pro-lifers!! Whoops!

reply from: Banned Member

His statement may have been, but he made it in the middle of a discussion about parental responsibility, so you can see where I'm coming from. Yoda can never stick to the topic at hand.

reply from: faithman

His statement may have been, but he made it in the middle of a discussion about parental responsibility, so you can see where I'm coming from. Yoda can never stick to the topic at hand.
But you stick to the wall like dirty underwear. Last time I check, this is our site, developed for our pro-life pleasure. You are a parasite, simply enjoying the liberty the owner affords you. Please do remember your place scum bag. Prolifers run this site as we please, not pro-death scum like you.

reply from: Darkmoon

Since when did the issue of slavery include occupation of a woman's body?

reply from: lukesmom

Congratulations! That's one of the least intelligent things I've heard you say. And that's saying something.
For the record, I do think this is a prankster, just trying to push the pro-life buttons.
Of course IT is. Isn't that why ALL you proaborts come here? To push prolifer's buttons; otherwise known as trolling?

reply from: kd78

poc= product of conception, right? if it's not a developing baby then what the frak is it?! turtle soup? it becomes a human being/person in the vaginal canal?

reply from: lukesmom

According to the proaborts it is not a "person" until OUT of the vaginal canal. Once out, person dust is sprinkled on whatever and "it" magically becomes a "person". At that is how it is in magical proabort land.
Oh, forgot, it is only a person IF the mother decides to sprinkle the person dust. If she doesn't choose to do so, "it" remains something other than a person but I still haven't figured out what yet. Maybe the magical proaborts can tell us. what you say proaborts?

reply from: sander

According to the proaborts it is not a "person" until OUT of the vaginal canal. Once out, person dust is sprinkled on whatever and "it" magically becomes a "person". At that is how it is in magical proabort land.
Oh, forgot, it is only a person IF the mother decides to sprinkle the person dust. If she doesn't choose to do so, "it" remains something other than a person but I still haven't figured out what yet. Maybe the magical proaborts can tell us. what you say proaborts?
Would "person dust" be the same as, "being dust"?

reply from: lukesmom

According to the proaborts it is not a "person" until OUT of the vaginal canal. Once out, person dust is sprinkled on whatever and "it" magically becomes a "person". At that is how it is in magical proabort land.
Oh, forgot, it is only a person IF the mother decides to sprinkle the person dust. If she doesn't choose to do so, "it" remains something other than a person but I still haven't figured out what yet. Maybe the magical proaborts can tell us. what you say proaborts?
Would "person dust" be the same as, "being dust"?
Well, as far as I can tell, it may or may not. It all depends on the proabort you are talking to. They seem to change their own rules to fit whatever whim they have at the time or maybe to appease their conscience.

reply from: sander

According to the proaborts it is not a "person" until OUT of the vaginal canal. Once out, person dust is sprinkled on whatever and "it" magically becomes a "person". At that is how it is in magical proabort land.
Oh, forgot, it is only a person IF the mother decides to sprinkle the person dust. If she doesn't choose to do so, "it" remains something other than a person but I still haven't figured out what yet. Maybe the magical proaborts can tell us. what you say proaborts?
Would "person dust" be the same as, "being dust"?
Well, as far as I can tell, it may or may not. It all depends on the proabort you are talking to. They seem to change their own rules to fit whatever whim they have at the time or maybe to appease their conscience.
Sometimes a person really doesn't know whether to laugh or cry.
To think there are walking around, free as a bird, nutcases that actually question when a human being becomes a human being or person, or human or...a bird....these are some seriously messed up folks we're dealing with.

reply from: lukesmom

The truly sad part (horrific actually), is these pitiful individuals don't see themselves as messed up, lacking in basic humanity or morally disturbed.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

Thank you for illustrating your endless stupidity in just two paragraphs.
How your sick brains can vomit something like this is beyond me. But it will probably win you some brownie points among your equally asinine misogynists.
Doesn't take long for these morons to show their true colors.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

Having an abortion doesn't make you a "feminist" supporting a woman's right to do as she wills with her body, to control her destiny, that's what makes her a feminist!
I suppose you got a heap of anti-choice "proof" to spout?

reply from: prochoiceinNY

Abortion is legal. The POC feel nothing during it, and if they do, it'll be like how a fish feels, and those things only have a three second attention span.
Abusing a born child is illegal.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

And? So what? The rat feels pain when the trap snaps on it, doesn't mean its any more human then the next POC.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

You guys only hear what you want to, right?
Slavery is wrong because slaves are born.
Abortion is right because the POC aren't born.
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You are a person at birth, not before.

reply from: Faramir

And? So what? The rat feels pain when the trap snaps on it, doesn't mean its any more human then the next POC.
Couldn't you go out in the street and play with cars as a break from internet posting? It would make us and your parents happy.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

Forced gestation is slavery!
A POC taking control of a woman's body and taking her resources for its own benefit.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

Yes. Products of conception.
A baby is born.
Yes, it becomes a person when it is outside the mother and independent.
Its pretty simple.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

Your post only proves that you care about blobs and not born people.
Your a *****ing sick *****.

reply from: Faramir

Your post only proves that you care about blobs and not born people.
Your a *****ing sick *****.
I see you have no sense of humor, little girl, so maybe you do belong here.

reply from: sander

Your post only proves that you care about blobs and not born people.
Your a *****ing sick *****.
Earthlings don't read *, what dark planet are you from anyway?

reply from: lukesmom

Your post only proves that you care about blobs and not born people.
Your a *****ing sick *****.
A bar of soap to clean that nasty mouth might help. If you are pretending to be an adult, it isn't working. Beddy Bye time after you finish with your soap.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

I can't help it if this forum has a nannyish censorship thing.
But I'm going to try and be nicer in my posts so I don't come across as trash anymore.

reply from: sander

I can't help it if this forum has a nannyish censorship thing.
But I'm going to try and be nicer in my posts so I don't come across as trash anymore.
What's the matter, the proabort side got tired of being grouped in with your brand of trash?
The proabort view is all trash, all the time.
And if you think you're going to convince anyone to go over to the darkside that isn't already there, you're fooling yourself big time.

reply from: lukesmom

That would be appreciated.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

Yes. I made my side look bad, very very bad. And I"m sorry. There are lovely pro-choicers who care about women and children and are trying their darndest to make dialoge and help women. I realised that I was insulting their efforts by coming across as a nasty *****.
Pro-choice is about women making choices for themselfs and their futures and their children, it isn't about being subjugated by a pregnancy they don't want. There's nothing trashy about that.
Its not the dark side to want women to be able to choose their own destiny. The dark side would be back alleys with untrained money grubbers with coat hangers. That is a dark side I don't want us to ever go back to.

reply from: galen

the coat hanger, kniiting needle thing is a bit dated... its also a horrible image that was very rarely used by anyone...
even the Guttmacher people on the PC side agree on this....
Women can save themselves by educating themselves on thier sexuality/ birthcontroll/ etc. this way you can eleminate the need for all but possibly 2% of abortions.
realising that a child concieved in a rape does not deserve to die because he had a shyty father,eleminates another 1% and the 1% left are the truely trajic cases that involve the life of the mother... and better advances in medicine are eliminating the need for abortion in those cases too... hopefully ALL abortions will eventually be unnecessary.

reply from: ProInformed

Oh please - you don't want to "know" (or LEARN) anything.
You came here to post your POV that is based on ignorance.
You could be using the internet to LEARN all you can about abortion and THEN form a well-informed POV, but you lack the intellectual integrity, courage and maturity to do that, don't you?

reply from: Rosalie

Thank you for illustrating your endless stupidity in just two paragraphs.
How your sick brains can vomit something like this is beyond me. But it will probably win you some brownie points among your equally asinine misogynists.
Doesn't take long for these morons to show their true colors.
It never does. But you know, I'm glad it is there for everyone who might come here to see what they are like. They seem to be proud to be dumb, crude terrorists with no hint of morals or manners and with strong inclinations to discriminatory behaviour, homophobia, xenophobia and misogyny. So I guess if they seem to be so proud of all that, then let it all hang out here in the open so the outsiders can construct their own picture of 'pro-lifers' from what THEY say, not from what others say about them.
A bar of soap to clean that nasty mouth might help. If you are pretending to be an adult, it isn't working. Beddy Bye time after you finish with your soap.
That's RICH coming from someone who is trashy enough to throw around terms like "butt nugget", "fart sniffer", "Rosapee" etc.

reply from: lukesmom

Yup, but I've never killed one of my own children and not only see nothing wrong with this act but condone other women to kill their children too. Can't think of much "trashier" than that.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

And learn what? That the POC have arms and legs? So? It takes more then limbs to make a person.
Until the POC are born, they are just POC, a fetus, embyro, whatever scientifc term you want to use, whatever word you want to use. The law says its what it does and that abortion is okay.
Its so easy to get, I don't understand why its so hard to get for some of you.
Fetus/POC/"unborn baby" = not born.
Not born = no rights.
Baby = born.
Born = rights.

reply from: lukesmom

And learn what? That the POC have arms and legs? So? It takes more then limbs to make a person.
Until the POC are born, they are just POC, a fetus, embyro, whatever scientifc term you want to use, whatever word you want to use. The law says its what it does and that abortion is okay.
Its so easy to get, I don't understand why its so hard to get for some of you.
Fetus/POC/"unborn baby" = not born.
Not born = no rights.
Baby = born.
Born = rights.
The unborn DO have rights if the mother chooses.
http://www.aboms.com/archives/010481.html
http://www.themediaproject.com/news/itn/012803.htm
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0703839.htm

reply from: Shenanigans

And learn what? That the POC have arms and legs? So? It takes more then limbs to make a person.
Until the POC are born, they are just POC, a fetus, embyro, whatever scientifc term you want to use, whatever word you want to use. The law says its what it does and that abortion is okay.
Its so easy to get, I don't understand why its so hard to get for some of you.
Fetus/POC/"unborn baby" = not born.
Not born = no rights.
Baby = born.
Born = rights.
You ever thought maybe you were wrong?
I noticed in another post that you recounted how you got preg at 16 or something, ad how you thought about keeping the baby until someone "woke up you" to the reality (correct me if I'm wrong).
So, what was it in your 16 year old mind's thinking that made you want to keep the pregnancy?
What was said by those around you that convinced you to abort?
Do you ever feel you were conned into that abortion?
Do you ever consider how your life would have been if you had not aborted?
Do you have such little value for yourself that you dont' think you could have been a mum and a student?
I saw in another post that you dont' wear pants at your job., so are you liek a stripper? Why is that? I don't know many educated 30 year olds that are strippers.
I'm not really being nosy, I'm just trying to see your POV.

reply from: Faramir

And learn what? That the POC have arms and legs? So? It takes more then limbs to make a person.
Until the POC are born, they are just POC, a fetus, embyro, whatever scientifc term you want to use, whatever word you want to use. The law says its what it does and that abortion is okay.
Its so easy to get, I don't understand why its so hard to get for some of you.
Fetus/POC/"unborn baby" = not born.
Not born = no rights.
Baby = born.
Born = rights.
You ever thought maybe you were wrong?
I noticed in another post that you recounted how you got preg at 16 or something, ad how you thought about keeping the baby until someone "woke up you" to the reality (correct me if I'm wrong).
So, what was it in your 16 year old mind's thinking that made you want to keep the pregnancy?
What was said by those around you that convinced you to abort?
Do you ever feel you were conned into that abortion?
Do you ever consider how your life would have been if you had not aborted?
Do you have such little value for yourself that you dont' think you could have been a mum and a student?
I saw in another post that you dont' wear pants at your job., so are you liek a stripper? Why is that? I don't know many educated 30 year olds that are strippers.
I'm not really being nosy, I'm just trying to see your POV.
I don't get why you guys are bothering trying to reason with a troll.
She's not hearing you at all.

reply from: Shenanigans

Keeps my typing skills keen.
Oh nos! She's deaf? Maybe we should do a whip round for a hearing aide for her! come on, pull together PLA, reach deep into your pockets!!

reply from: kd78

pcny- but what exactly is "product of conception" if not a developing baby, douche monkey?!

reply from: Rosalie

Yup, but I've never killed one of my own children and not only see nothing wrong with this act but condone other women to kill their children too. Can't think of much "trashier" than that.
Your attempt for a diversion has failed.

reply from: lukesmom

Yup, but I've never killed one of my own children and not only see nothing wrong with this act but condone other women to kill their children too. Can't think of much "trashier" than that.
Your attempt for a diversion has failed.
How? You answered!

reply from: prochoiceinNY

Your comment makes it sound like you think its a baby in the uterus, It isn't. if it makes you feel better you can call it a potential "baby", if the POC arent aborted or miscarried or stillborn then when born it will be a baby. So while in the utuerus its a potential baby" or something that is developing INTO baby but NOT a baby.
You wouldn't call a pile of wood a house would you?
You are not a BABY until you are born.
no matter what word games you come up with, its not a baby until its born. It doesn't have rights until its born.

reply from: sander

Your comment makes it sound like you think its a baby in the uterus, It isn't. if it makes you feel better you can call it a potential "baby", if the POC arent aborted or miscarried or stillborn then when born it will be a baby. So while in the utuerus its a potential baby" or something that is developing INTO baby but NOT a baby.
You wouldn't call a pile of wood a house would you?
You are not a BABY until you are born.
no matter what word games you come up with, its not a baby until its born. It doesn't have rights until its born.
Just because you make this crap up doesn't make it true.
Try an education.

reply from: 4given

Maybe.. but no one ever asked me when my "potential baby" or "product of conception" was due.. If you don't want to call it a "baby human".. it doesn't make it any less of one. I suppose I find your choice of words odd. We lost a baby early. No one offered a word of condolence in regard to our "embryo". Those that mentioned it said they were sorry for our loss or the loss of our baby.. Not to be redundant.. but if it is not a baby- you are not pregnant.

reply from: Shenanigans

Maybe.. but no one ever asked me when my "potential baby" or "product of conception" was due.. If you don't want to call it a "baby human".. it doesn't make it any less of one. I suppose I find your choice of words odd. We lost a baby early. No one offered a word of condolence in regard to our "embryo". Those that mentioned it said they were sorry for our loss or the loss of our baby.. Not to be redundant.. but if it is not a baby- you are not pregnant.
Everyone i have ever met in real life who has miscarried has never said "embyro" or "foetus" or "POC" it was "we lost our baby" or "our baby died". My mum miscarried a year after I was adopted and 27 years later she refers to that "pregnancy" as our brother, her son, her baby, our sibling, while his earthly remains were never burried or given consideration (it was the time) he still has a name and I often wonder about him, what he woudl have been like, as my mum does.
Frankly, to not consider it a child is rather heartless, choiceNY, not to mention it reeks of ignorance.
Sorry for the loss of your baby, 4given.

reply from: 4given

Thank you. Equal balance though.. My precious boy was born about 5 months later.. came to us at 10 months of age. There is balance and healing. I trust God is in control. Meet my monster boy. He has double the personality of any other being I know .. You would adore him.. Oh and he can draw.. faces with detail.. My sons could at 3 also.. but he has interesting dialogue when explaining their details.. It was almost like he was always here.. I try to not take advantage of the blessings I have and to be grateful for what God has planned for me.. irregardless of how each "potential" blessing presents itself. Thank you for your words. And bless you! Sincerely.

reply from: yoda

Live baby = good, dead baby = bad.

reply from: yoda

The constant repeating of illogical and anti-academic claims is a good sign of a cult mindset. They use slogans and mantras as their shield against reality.

reply from: prochoiceinNY

Live baby = good, dead baby = bad.
Yeah, dead babys are bad, they rot and stmell up the place. But seriosly, there is no babys getting aborted, only POC, so abortion = not bad.

reply from: sander

Live baby = good, dead baby = bad.
Yeah, dead babys are bad, they rot and stmell up the place. But seriosly, there is no babys getting aborted, only POC, so abortion = not bad.
You do realize the medical profession knows women get pregnant with babies, human babies, right?
Just because YOU decided not to believe the truth does not make it false.
You have definatley come from that old liberal school of "repeat a lie often enough....."
Only thing is, repeating it does not make it truth.
You murdered five of your very own children....
That's just disgusting to the hilt.

reply from: Banned Member

His statement may have been, but he made it in the middle of a discussion about parental responsibility, so you can see where I'm coming from. Yoda can never stick to the topic at hand.
But you stick to the wall like dirty underwear. Last time I check, this is our site, developed for our pro-life pleasure. You are a parasite, simply enjoying the liberty the owner affords you. Please do remember your place scum bag. Prolifers run this site as we please, not pro-death scum like you.
Oh, you're so precious, really!

reply from: Banned Member

Of course IT is. Isn't that why ALL you proaborts come here? To push prolifer's buttons; otherwise known as trolling?
Nope, I came here looking for adult discussion of the issues.Then I realized that wouldn't be possible hear. I stay here for the entertainment value. But I rarely, if ever, just try pushing people's buttons. I'm not that petty.

reply from: sk1bianca

babies are POC! we are all developed POC, where do you think we came from? the stork?

reply from: Shenanigans

No, we came from the special seed store.
You see, what happens, is when a mummy and a daddy love each other very much a priest gives them a special coupon and they go to a shop and buy some special seeds. They can get a boy seed or a girl seed or a "lucky dip" seed. Then the mummy swallows the seed and it grows in her belly into a baby!
But sometimes mean people do a smash and grab and take the seeds and they swallow them cos they taste good and then that's why some ladies get abortions!!

reply from: yoda

Out from under a rock?

reply from: faithman

Out from under a rock?
Climbed out of the primortial ooze?

reply from: sander

You're an UN-WELCOMED guest at this site. You've been told you're only "allowed" here for OUR entertainment...otherwise you vile creatures would be banned.
So, this asanine remark that you're here for conversation is just some more hot air you're blowing.
You're worse than "petty", you're inhumane in your beliefs.

reply from: ProInformed

Your own lack of understanding of why so many citizens object to prenatal hitmen being allowed to kill innocent unborn babies is based on your own ignorance.
You only scored half a point on a quiz to determine how well-informed you are about this important issue, on a scale of 1-10, you're level of knowledge is not even a 1.
You're just another kid who has no clue, coming here to chant the slogans you've been fed, choicist myths and lies that you believed without questioning them.

reply from: Banned Member

My, my, my....Those hackles are raising, aren't they. I don't care what Crutcher says, I come here on my terms. He's more than welcome to ban me, no problems here. There are other forums. I come here for my entertainment. If you are entertained by me in turn, Hoo-Ra! I'm pleased to have served you.
But that doesn't seem to be the case, now does it. You seem to have a tantrum every time you turn around. Really, if you're that high strung, they do make pills for that sort of thing.

reply from: Skippy

Wait... I thought we were allowed here so the pro-lifers could "hone their skills." I found out a few posts back that it was typing skills, not debating skills, that were to be honed.


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