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Haunted by my lost son

A story of regret

by: lukesmom

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/nov/01/family-abortion-trisomy-13

reply from: Shenanigans

Makes you really wonder how many other women are out there with the same grief and shame that they cant come forward. So much for abortion being a "pro-woman" choice.

reply from: CDC700

I'd be willing to bet EVERY woman that has killed their babies has some deep remorse. if they don't, they aren't really women at all, just monsters.

reply from: lukesmom

I'd be willing to bet EVERY woman that has killed their babies has some deep remorse. if they don't, they aren't really women at all, just monsters.
Many of those women are the loudest proaborts because they have to justify their actions to be able to live with themselves.

reply from: CDC700

I am sure they are, but in their heads at night, before they drift to sleep, there is haunting there. Unless they have asked for forgiveness and changed their ways. I wish I could be as forgiving as God.

reply from: Shenanigans

Ahhh, kinda like those gay guys who are so deep in the closet they're the biggest homophobes around, they gotta be, else someone suspect their gayness.

reply from: galen

Its funny.. for all the posts out there in cyberspace and all those for choice people on TV... in RL i have yet to meet a woman who did not have regret over killing her baby... when it comes down to it they all say baby and they all cry....

reply from: 4choice4all

And I've never met someone that did regret their abortion.

reply from: galen

how many people do you counsel on a regualr basis... i have a week with 14 or so on average... all post abortive... its all i do on a regular basis now.

reply from: Banned Member

So you are a pro-life woman who councils post abortive women? Do you really think that post abortive women that didn't feel guilty over their abortions would seek you out? Ya think perhaps that's why you only meet women who feel badly?
According to statistics supplied by people on this board, there are 4000 abortions a day, correct? That would make 20,000 in a work week. Your meeting 14 out of 20,000 women who regret their abortions weekly hardly equates to most women regretting their abortions.

reply from: ProInformed

I'd be willing to bet EVERY woman that has killed their babies has some deep remorse. if they don't, they aren't really women at all, just monsters.
Many of those women are the loudest proaborts because they have to justify their actions to be able to live with themselves.
Yup - and the abortion industry laughs at their repressed grief and how their fear of facing the truth and their rabid Roe-bot FANaticism is exploited by the abortion industry.
They have 'won' their precious 'abortion rights' but what have they lost?
They've lost their precious irreplacable babies AND they've lost their ability to be open-minded, well-informed, pro-informed. They have to carefully guard their state of ignorance, making sure they don't find out the truth. They've purchased 'sexual freedom' by barbaric human sacrifice and by giving up their intellectual freedom.
Sheesh - no wonder they're so shrill and scared when confronted by pro-lifers packing the truth!

reply from: CDC700

That's a lie. Your Integrity level just dropped even lower than it already was.
If you are speaking of the killers you coach into destroying their children, of course they aren't telling you of their regret. You are the one that guides them into it.

reply from: 4choice4all

Not a lie at all. I don't know many post abortive women...but the few I do know have no regret and no shame. And all but one is a mother now. And most of them are more than 5 years post abortion.
And ditto Syrenity.....as a prolife post abortion counselor, you are appealing to a limited group....probably those that are prolife post abortion and feeling conflicted, to say the least.
Galen....are you an actual certified counselor? College degree and all? I've heard conflicting reports on the prolife post abortive counseling services out there.

reply from: Yuuki

I regret even CONSIDERING an abortion when I thought I was pregnant. And my mother regrets hers, too.

reply from: faithman

http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby11.html

reply from: carolemarie

There are lots of women who regret their abortions....
but you don't really discuss it with people except in a general way...
it isn't safe to regret your abortion in the prochoice crowd, and prolifers can be just as spiteful as prochoicers....and those in the middle just don't want to hear it...
its very private and you have to find someone who won't judge you and will just listen and love you anyways...
I recommend God!

reply from: Rosalie

No one's saying there are not. She's just saying she's never met any and neither have I, actually. And I am around them a lot.
I'm involved in projects where women can and do discuss their reproductive choices, questions and experiences in depth, actually.
And abortion is no taboo for most of my friends so we don't really have any problems discussing it.
Sorry but that's a lie (or at the very least a wrongful assumption). I have never met even ONE pro-choicer who would say or imply anything even remotely similar to what you just said. Quite on the contrary, actually.
I think that our worlds (so to speak) must be really different. Me and my family and friends have a strong bond. We are all feminists and we are all pro-choice and somehow we've just grown together and never grew apart. I strongly belief that it's both the fact that we are feminist and that we are pro-choice that makes us so non-judgmental, supportive and willing to help in any situation. We don't do taboos, we don't do discrimination, we don't judge.

reply from: faithman

What the bortheads, and the false pro-lifers do not understand, is that there is more to life than this physical world, and our physical bodies. Our bodies are merely the containers of the precious substance Called life. Life has to have that container to express itself in the natural world. Even if the container is flawed, it still makes it possible for the miracle of life to be expressed. Our common value is not found in the container, but what is contained. The life of a womb child is equal to the life contained in all of us. The only legitimate breaking of this container, is if it has the compunction to smash other containers without cause. When you take way the ability to express life, you loose the great privilege to express your own. Evil aggression must be subdued, or no container can have any security from unjust breakage. To take away the possibility of this wonderful spark of life to be expressed, makes this world a darker place, and the rest of us containers a little more impoverished, and alone. Though the womb child is a small container, it does not lessen the value of the life it contains. If fellow containers do not value the life of the womb child container, then they have placed their personhood container in great jeopardy. Anyone who does not see that womb children are fellow human containers, containing life of equal value to their own, is a self destructive fool, drunk on the power to kill, and must be stopped for the sake of the rest of us life containers. It is the life in us that makes us equal, not our degree of ability to express it.

reply from: carolemarie

No one's saying there are not. She's just saying she's never met any and neither have I, actually. And I am around them a lot.
I'm involved in projects where women can and do discuss their reproductive choices, questions and experiences in depth, actually.
And abortion is no taboo for most of my friends so we don't really have any problems discussing it.
Sorry but that's a lie (or at the very least a wrongful assumption). I have never met even ONE pro-choicer who would say or imply anything even remotely similar to what you just said. Quite on the contrary, actually.
I think that our worlds (so to speak) must be really different. Me and my family and friends have a strong bond. We are all feminists and we are all pro-choice and somehow we've just grown together and never grew apart. I strongly belief that it's both the fact that we are feminist and that we are pro-choice that makes us so non-judgmental,
and if you persist in saying abortion destroyed your life, your friends didn't want to hear it."You chose it, so get over it" was the general drift...so you shut up.
Or you hear that your experience is just yours, other women are glad and grateful, so you start thinking you are a nutcase. THe prochoice side isn't comfortable with women publiclly regretting their abortions.....
Everyone is happy to support your abortion if you are happy to have had one.
if your opinion on the wonderfulness of the whole thing changes you are not really welcomed to share that.
And you see the loving kindness of the prolifers on this board.....they are the reason lots of us NEVER say a word....

reply from: faithman

What the bortheads, and the false pro-lifers do not understand, is that there is more to life than this physical world, and our physical bodies. Our bodies are merely the containers of the precious substance Called life. Life has to have that container to express itself in the natural world. Even if the container is flawed, it still makes it possible for the miracle of life to be expressed. Our common value is not found in the container, but what is contained. The life of a womb child is equal to the life contained in all of us. The only legitimate breaking of this container, is if it has the compunction to smash other containers without cause. When you take way the ability to express life, you loose the great privilege to express your own. Evil aggression must be subdued, or no container can have any security from unjust breakage. To take away the possibility of this wonderful spark of life to be expressed, makes this world a darker place, and the rest of us containers a little more impoverished, and alone. Though the womb child is a small container, it does not lessen the value of the life it contains. If fellow containers do not value the life of the womb child container, then they have placed their personhood container in great jeopardy. Anyone who does not see that womb children are fellow human containers, containing life of equal value to their own, is a self destructive fool, drunk on the power to kill, and must be stopped for the sake of the rest of us life containers. It is the life in us that makes us equal, not our degree of ability to express it.

reply from: Rosalie

I'm honestly sorry that you were treated that way, I don't think that was right at all. Neither I nor any other pro-choicer I know would ever dream of treating another woman like that. We'd offer our support, compassion and help. That's what every single pro-choice person I know would do.
Neither I nor any other pro-choicer I know also have a problem with women speaking about their abortions, no matter how they feel about them. It becomes a problem when you start to insist that your experience is somewhat more important than the experience of others and because you've had a good(bad) experience, everyone else is going to have a good(bad) experience. That's not how it works, that's not the truth and that's what we have a problem with.
And I'm sorry but I rarely see any sort of kindness or loving attitude on this board. If you say "loving" and "kind", this board is the last place I would think of.

reply from: Cecilia

if i regretted my abortion, i would go to a prochoicer before a prolifer any day.

reply from: Shenanigans

I'm not a counsellor. I certainly don't wear a big sign on my back saying "PRO-LIFER" but all the women I meet in my job who've aborted express to me their grief and regret over it.
And I'll I'm doing is asking the same question that I ask every patient that we ask on admission "do you have any concerns, any questions? How do you feel emotionally about all this?"
And as I've said before, I don't work in gynae or maternity and yet I'm still getting "I wish I had my baby", "I feel terrible I killed my baby" "is there anyone you can refer me to help me heal?"
I also get to see their medical notes, very interesting to me to see no pscyh history until AFTER their abortion. Then there was the mental health placements I had as a student, and the multiple women we were seeing post abortion who were sucidial, one woman attempted self harm on the anniversery of her abortion.

reply from: 4choice4all

Ditto Rosalie...I can't imagine belittling a woman for regretting her abortion.

reply from: carolemarie

i am glad that you wouldn't, but it happens all the time.
The first silent no more event in DC the prochoice women shouted down the women holding the I regret my abortion signs...because they didn't want to hear it.
On this board i have heard remarks like sure, NOW you are against abortion after you had your choice.... how convenient....
Prochoicers have a hard time having sympathy because they don't get why women are so upset....you(your side, not you) won't believe that we were lied to, or forced or treated badly. You refuse to believe that we feel tricked and maniuplated by the clinics you support. We are treated like we have issues because we had problems before the abortion, not that abortion caused the problems....
so yeah, there are plenty of pro-choicers who see us as the enemy because our position is that our abortions hurt us and abortion isn't good for women.....

reply from: 4choice4all

Well.....I think it's different when it's a large organized prolife event.....there will be counterprotests...it's not necessarily going to be pretty. Not saying it's right...but it's certainly different than two women chatting and one being ridiculed for regretting her abortion.
Also....there is a point to be made about women that had the choice...utilized it...then wish to deny that same choice to other women.
There's a big jump between abortion hurt me and abortion hurts all women....HUGE actually. Many women are fine with their abortions...and even if there is regret, a woman should have the right to make that choice for herself. Divorced women might regret their marriage but we don't deny other women the right to marry.
Prolifers say abortion is wrong because it's a baby and I disagree but respect the line of thinking. I however do not believe that another valid argument is that some women regret their abortions.

reply from: galen

Originally posted by: 4choice4all
Not a lie at all. I don't know many post abortive women...but the few I do know have no regret and no shame. And all but one is a mother now. And most of them are more than 5 years post abortion.
And ditto Syrenity.....as a prolife post abortion counselor, you are appealing to a limited group....probably those that are prolife post abortion and feeling conflicted, to say the least.
Galen....are you an actual certified counselor? College degree and all? I've heard conflicting reports on the prolife post abortive counseling services out there.[/q_______________________________
Yep and i even have 2 doctorates ( i LOVE education)
i would have ended up as a nuirse practioner if i had wanted that road... but a tumour retired me from teaching... now i do counseling .. for free.
Syrenity... its strange how you put your stats here... i am not the only post abortive counselor in the world... there are hundreds of us. I find it strange that in my day to day routine, i've never met any woman who would admit to being OK with her abortion... not 1 ... ( in RL) and i've met probably hundreds upon hundreds of women in confrences , at the shelters, at church, at rape crisis centres that have admited an abortion... no one ever said they were OK with what they did.
The only time i ever hear testimonies from women who say they are ok w/ it is on the net... and that seems to me a bit odd... as if they can say whatever hear in cyberspace.. but when they have to look you in the eye they can not say they are ok w/ thier ab.

reply from: galen

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there are a lot of people on this board who do just that. That being said.. many of us want the post abortive to admit what they have done.. especially if they need to heal... its part of the grieving process, to admit the act and what was lost... and forgive yourself. You can parrot all day long about how you are sorry you did something, but untill you truely take responsibility for your action or inaction you can not begin to forgive yourself... and for many women it takes years to be able to.
anyhow... I do not think the way some on this board hold it against certain post abortive women , who are now prolife, that they even had an abortion, is ever right.

reply from: sheri

Even the women ive met who say they are glad they did it will immediatly follow up with a bunch of reasons why they had to do it and usually end with " I had no choice", kind of ironic!
Have you ever noticed that rabidly proabortion men have either paid for or particapated in the deaths of their children? Sometimes i think it hurts them even more then the mothers.

reply from: faithman

Unless the woman is pro-life. Then the borthead man kills them both.

reply from: CDC700

Evil doesn't have a gender, there are selfish murderers that come in both. It hurts anyone involved, whether they admit it to themselves is another case. Anyone that has anything to do with this "legal" infanticide has their strings being pulled by satan. What's empowering about doing the devil's work?

reply from: faithman

Birds of a baby killing feather. No big suprise there. Only a totally deprave pro-death fool would not regret killing their own child. That is not an act of womanhood, it is a betrail of it.

reply from: Cecilia

unless you were forced and prochoice, then you are a this and that.
i think it ironic to be 'forced' to abort and then be prolife. how that indignation and anger about a lack of choice does not traverse to being prochoice i don't understand. maybe if more women were forced to be pregnant people would think differently.
no one is denying that someone can regret thier abortion, but that does not mean that no one should be able to choose it for themselves.

reply from: carolemarie

The fact is many many women regret abortion....there are women entering counseling on a regular basis, which is why we have so many post-abortion healing programs nation wide......they wouldn't exist if there wasn't a need.
Since so many women have a negative experience and need mental health counseling, it is not unreasonable to assume that abortion is not good for women.
if you never had an abortion, I can see how you might not get it....but abortion changes you...IMO it isn't for the better....

reply from: 4choice4all

many women suffer from post partum depression...doesn't mean parenthood isn't good for women.

reply from: iCelebr8Life

It seems that testing for chromosomal abnormalities is really to give the mother an early abortion choice in the event of problems. I wonder how much coercion a woman feels in this situation. " Your baby is severely deformed and won't live very long and the short life will be horrid, we can spare you and the child that pain, and the sooner we do it the better for you." The greater the coercion, the greater the regret. I think it would be better to give birth and to have my baby die in my arms and then give her a proper burial than to have my child sucked out of my womb and discarded as bio waste.

reply from: Cecilia

it is too bad we can probably never have accurate numbers on this.
i think it's reasonable to assume that abortion is not good for SOME women, since SOME women want help afterwards. but to outlaw a surgery because SOME women regret is not logical. lets outlaw everything some people regrets choosing. vasectomy, tube tying, adoption, whatever.

reply from: faithman

it is too bad we can probably never have accurate numbers on this.
i think it's reasonable to assume that abortion is not good for SOME women, since SOME women want help afterwards. but to outlaw a surgery because SOME women regret is not logical. lets outlaw everything some people regrets choosing. vasectomy, tube tying, adoption, whatever.
Those things don't involve killing a child scanc. What we are talking about are the 98% of abortions that kill a perfectly healthy child for no medical reason.

reply from: CDC700

it is too bad we can probably never have accurate numbers on this.
i think it's reasonable to assume that abortion is not good for SOME women, since SOME women want help afterwards. but to outlaw a surgery because SOME women regret is not logical. lets outlaw everything some people regrets choosing. vasectomy, tube tying, adoption, whatever.
I think it's reasonable to assume you are ignorant. Abortion is not good for ANY woman. Can you name ONE woman that an elected abortion truly did any good for?

reply from: sander

No need to make an "ass" of yourself, there's NO "ass"umption that abortion is bad for 100% of the female babies who are aborted.

"...to outlaw a "surgery"... is using that euphemism suppose to somehow cover up the reality of abortion killing children; well that failed.
It's nice to know that the majority of Americans now realize your stupid war of words..."outlaw adoption"....is falling flat on your face.

reply from: 4choice4all

The few women I know that have had abortions will tell you it's the best decision they made. I'm being completely serious too.
Actually Cecilia had a good point. My aunt regrets putting her son up for adoption over 30 years ago...should we outlaw it? Of course not...and outlawing abortion because some women regret it is equally as stupid.

reply from: CDC700

Birds of a feather.......
If she's part of your family, adopting out her son was the best thing she could have done.

reply from: 4choice4all

ignorance and insults over insight.......................again.

reply from: faithman

Birds of a feather.......
If she's part of your family, adopting out her son was the best thing she could have done.
Snicker.... If they think abortion is SSSSSSOOOOO wonderful.. why don't they abort themselves?

reply from: yoda

Denial is a common reaction to being confronted with the fact of killing your own child. It has a limited shelf life, however, and usually breaks down after a few years. And then it's impact is even worse than if she had faced up to the truth from the start.

reply from: CDC700

Sorry, about that, here's your insight. The women you refer to are worthless whores if that's how they feel about their abortions.

reply from: 4choice4all

The 3 that I'm very close to are 14 years, 18 years and 15 years post abortive...they are the ones I've talked to in depth about it and they have never expressed remorse. 2 have since become mothers and the third knew she never wanted children but had a hard time finding someone to do a tubal on her in her early 20's. She was in a bad marriage at the time...that ended eventually...and in law school. According to her..best decision ever. The two mothers feel the same way. No denial. Some women simply do not regret their abortions.

reply from: faithman

Yepper, there are many cold hearted bytches in the world. Of that we are quite aware. But your presents here is a good/bad reminder.

reply from: CDC700

Why would they become mothers if they didn't regret it?

reply from: 4choice4all

Not every pregnancy is wanted...even to women with maternal leanings. It was bad timing...as simple as that. They became mothers after college...after marriage....when they were ready, not when fate tried to force their hand.

reply from: CDC700

So in essence they were just selfish whores that see babies as a mere object that's only appropriate when convenient. The "right time" to decide to have a baby is when you conceive one. A real "strong" woman would have made any necessary life adjustments to protect their baby's life. College and Marriage are two of the weakest excuses I have ever heard. Last time I checked, not having children was not a requirement to enter college, and there are plenty of good mothers and fathers who aren't married.

reply from: sander

Listen you moron, even you're capable of understanding as soon as your're pregnant you're a mother, the only question is will it be to a dead baby or a live baby.
"Fate"...you really are a dumbass....the only "fate" was them spreading their legs and saying, come on bubba...that's not fate, that's their own making.
They sent out an engraved invitation to become pregnant and then try and soothe themselves with stupid euphemisms.
Stop with your filthy lying...you're getting no where here or elsewhere.
The polls are turning aginst you people.

reply from: 4choice4all

And if the polls were turning people wouldn't be so desperate and feel the need to shoot doctors...or hurl insults. Your utter desperation is apparent in words and deeds.

reply from: Banned Member

It's the norm around here..

reply from: Banned Member

You are not a mother until you raise a child.There are even women who birth babies who are not mothers. Not if they give the baby up for adoption. Then the woman who adopts, even if she never has given birth to a baby, is a mother.
Open your eyes...See all the pretty shades of grey in the world.

reply from: yoda

Fine, I have no problem with that.
But when is the "right time" to kill a baby?

reply from: yoda

Plenty of women don't consider themselves mothers even when they have born children. So your point would be............??????????

reply from: yoda

It's the norm around here..
And yet you stay because..............????

reply from: yoda

What an incredibly dumb ass statement. We should keep this one fresh every day.
mother NOUN: 1. A woman who conceives, gives birth to, or raises and nurtures a child. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000. http://www.bartleby.com/61/78/M0437800.html

reply from: CDC700

My sister....twice.
Care to elaborate? What good did it do her?

reply from: Banned Member

My sister....twice.
Care to elaborate? What good did it do her?
It allowed her to take care of her sick child, one who was often in & out of the hospital. With that kind of thing going on, she couldn't have handled more kids, not emotionally or financially. It also freed her up to meet her current husband, thus leading to the three additional children she has now.

reply from: yoda

But just think, Syrenity, your sister could kill the sick child too, and then have lots more money! And maybe meet lots more men!!

reply from: 4choice4all

except killing a child is different than killing a fetus

reply from: yoda

Let's see, I'm sure you looked that up before you made that statement, right? You didn't? You just pulled that out of your ass?
Information Please: child -n., 8. a human fetus. http://www.infoplease.com/
American Heritage Dictionary: Child: 2. a. An unborn infant; a fetus. IDIOMS: with child Pregnant. http://www.bartleby.com/61/
Merriam-Webster Dictionary: Main Entry: child 1 : an unborn or recently born person http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/child

MSN Encarta Dictionary: child [ (plural chil·dren) noun 5. unborn baby
http://dictionary.msn.com/

reply from: 4choice4all

oh silly....altering meanings to fit agendas is nothing new. Your "unborn child" is my "fetus". continue to ignore the glaring differences between the born and unborn and you'll never get to the root of the debate....which means you will always be wailing about abortion remaining legal.....because people don't really care about aborting a fetus...and nearly 1 million put that into practice every year in our country alone. To give them the same rights would mean to ban most birth control....and you certainly won't have people sign that over. Personhood is a losing battle.

reply from: Banned Member

What an incredibly dumb ass statement. We should keep this one fresh every day.
mother NOUN: 1. A woman who conceives, gives birth to, or raises and nurtures a child. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000. http://www.bartleby.com/61/78/M0437800.html
I made Yoda's sig line!!! I am bursting with pride.
I know you love to argue semantics, but, as I said previously, there is a whole world of grey out there. Being a sperm doner doesn't make a man a father, just like conceiving (or even bearing) a child doesn't make a woman a mother.

reply from: yoda

Do you think that dictionaries "alter meanings"? No, only you proaborts try to do that.... unsuccessfully in most cases. And yes, "unborn child" and "fetus" are the same thing, to anyone and everyone who is fluent in English.
But lying seems to come so easily to you......

reply from: yoda

There it is. I knew it wouldn't be long in coming.......
You make a semantic argument: "You are not a mother until you raise a child.."
And then when I refute it with a simple quote from a dictionary, suddenly you claim that I love to argue semantics.......
Do you really not realize how transparent that is? You are so like the Emperor who had no clothes........

reply from: 4choice4all

not to everyone.....that's why abortion remains legal

reply from: yoda

People don't support abortion because they don't know the meaning of words, and you know that. You only use your silly semantic arguments as a diversion.
People support abortion because they want to kill babies, and they want other people to be able to kill them also.
And that's why you support abortion.

reply from: CDC700

My sister....twice.
Care to elaborate? What good did it do her?
It allowed her to take care of her sick child, one who was often in & out of the hospital. With that kind of thing going on, she couldn't have handled more kids, not emotionally or financially. It also freed her up to meet her current husband, thus leading to the three additional children she has now.
If she got pregnant twice with that going on, sounds like people were in and out of her quite a bit too. With her kind of logic, why didn't she just kill the sick one, after all, it seems she kills for convenience. And how did she manage to get pregnant AGAIN even after killing the first? Oh, I already answered that in my first sentence. Sorry! She sounds like a real tool (a garden tool) Her new husband must have been hard up. Or maybe he just wanted someone with a ton of experience. Either way, you explained a lot more to me than you think you did. At least she kept the last three.

reply from: yoda

Well, of course I'm going to be guided by your assessment of the situation, don't you know? I know you have only my best interests, and the best interests of the prolife movement at heart, right?
So, which parts of my statement did you disagree with? All of it?
Or was there some particular part you wish to dispute, like "baby", or "kill"?
Did it leave you so speechless so that you can't express yourself at all?

reply from: CDC700

As long as you believe this nonsense, you have no chance. This is not why people support abortion, yet you cling to this mantra and stomp your feet with your fingers in your ears. Lucky us, I guess.
Then why do YOU support abortion? Be original,step up, and tell me why you are so supportive of it. Can you give anything other than a pro-choice canned response?

reply from: faithman

As long as you believe this nonsense, you have no chance. This is not why people support abortion, yet you cling to this mantra and stomp your feet with your fingers in your ears. Lucky us, I guess.
Then why do YOU support abortion? Be original,step up, and tell me why you are so supportive of it. Can you give anything other than a pro-choice canned response?
With all that "free sex" no telling what is in this punks ears when it jumps up and down!!!

reply from: 4choice4all

This whole board is full of prochoice individuals willing sharing their thoughts on abortion....to the tune of "shut up proabort poopy head". So it's there...we don't mind discussing it...you just refuse to acknowledge it.
why do i support abortion? Because I believe in a woman's fundamental right to control her own body..including ridding it of a fetus if she doesn't want to gestate. I believe the essence of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness starts with controlling your own biology. And i have no issue with abortion on a moral, scientific, theological or philosophical basis...which are the basic foundations of my belief on personhood.

reply from: CDC700

Pretty much what I figured, are you enjoying your summer vacation?

reply from: CDC700

I know where you stand darlin', I was talking to the kid....

reply from: 4choice4all

C'mon fm....I haven't charged you a cent

reply from: Rosalie

You are made of awesome, do you know that?

reply from: Banned Member

I hate to break it to you, but you don't bother me. My sister did have a lot of men. And I'm not making excuses for her getting pregnant in the first place. I (and she agrees with me) feel that she was being irresponsible. She was on BC, but she is very fertile. If she hangs her coat next to a man she's liable to get pregnant.
As far as her being with men, well, that happens a lot when a woman is in emotional duress. She sought comfort in men. But, in the end, she rectified her mistakes, & did what was best for herself & her son.

reply from: 4choice4all

You are made of awesome, do you know that?
Aren't all feminists? Right back at you!

reply from: carolemarie

And I don't believe it is being intellectually honest to deny that the fetus is a baby, and this is the reason women regret abortion, because it is a baby and it dies to make our life easier.....that is hard for women to deal with.

reply from: yoda

No. Actually, we'd rather you all just go away and stop posting your support of the slaughter of babies. In the meantime, we are challenging you to justify that support. So far, you're not making too much sense, except when someone like Cecilia says something like "Yes, I know it's a baby when abortion kills it, but I just don't care". That we can understand.

reply from: yoda

With rare exceptions, the only way you want to "discuss" abortion is by the use of countless euphemisms and insinuations. Very seldom do you actually speak in plain, basic terms about abortion.
Why not just come out from behind your euphemistic smoke screen and talk about abortion in plain, blunt English?

reply from: yoda

So, when is she going to rectify the mistake of killing her unborn children, and do what is best for them?

reply from: yoda

Then you are "pretty wrong". I can't keep count of the number of times I've been accused of "playing word games" because I insist on posting dictionary definitions to prove that a human fetus IS a baby.
And now you sink back into your euphemistic comfort zone....... "deciding for themselves what they want"....... not "killing what we admit is a baby".
You just can't make yourself say it, can you?

reply from: Rosalie

And I have met in my life women who regretted having children. Are we going to start protesting parenthood because SOME women regretted their choice?
This is life. You have options. You make choices. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. It takes time to learn to deal with our choices, good or bad, because sometimes even the best choices have horrible consequences and vice versa.
It is nonsensical to protest something just because someone has made a bad choice or that someone's choice had gone wrong.
It's like trying to fight birth because some women may experience post-natal depression/psychosis.
And we have a lot of health programs for these women as well.
Those who feel that they might have made a bad choice should definitely get counseling if they feel that they need it.
It absolutely is unreasonable. It's oppressive and insulting to say that women shouldn't be able to make that choice because YOU presume that abortion is bad for them. It's saying that YOU know better than anyone else, that YOU know that they'll have regrets. You don't know, you can't know. The only one who may have an idea about this is the woman. Usually she makes a good choice, sometimes she makes a choice she eventually comes to regret. THIS IS LIFE. And adults should absolutely be capable of dealing with such situations themselves. Most are.
That's your experience and your opinion. My experience and opinion is absolutely opposite (as long as we talk about abortion that a woman freely chooses for herself, of course). It is not for you OR me to decide if it will change the woman and how. It is for her to decide. Women are competent enough to make that decision for themselves.

reply from: Yuuki

So, when is she going to rectify the mistake of killing her unborn children, and do what is best for them?
It is not possible to undo all mistakes. Often, one must simply do better in the future not to repeat the mistake. That is how you "rectify" it.

reply from: Yuuki

I hope you don't think I sound like that...
A woman has the right to control HER body, not the body of the child. We are not allowed to do anything in life that kills another human being unless they are risking our lives in an immediate way first. Killing someone because they "might" kill you is not acceptable.

reply from: sander

I hope you don't think I sound like that...
Oh, you can kiss butt better than that!

reply from: carolemarie

And I have met in my life women who regretted having children. Are we going to start protesting parenthood because SOME women regretted their choice?
This is life. You have options. You make choices. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. It takes time to learn to deal with our choices, good or bad, because sometimes even the best choices have horrible consequences and vice versa.
It is nonsensical to protest something just because someone has made a bad choice or that someone's choice had gone wrong.
It's like trying to fight birth because some women may experience post-natal depression/psychosis.
And we have a lot of health programs for these women as well.
Those who feel that they might have made a bad choice should definitely get counseling if they feel that they need it.
It absolutely is unreasonable. It's oppressive and insulting to say that women shouldn't be able to make that choice because YOU presume that abortion is bad for them. It's saying that YOU know better than anyone else, that YOU know that they'll have regrets. You don't know, you can't know. The only one who may have an idea about this is the woman. Usually she makes a good choice, sometimes she makes a choice she eventually comes to regret. THIS IS LIFE. And adults should absolutely be capable of dealing with such situations themselves. Most are.
That's your experience and your opinion. My experience and opinion is absolutely opposite (as long as we talk about abortion that a woman freely chooses for herself, of course). It is not for you OR me to decide if it will change the woman and how. It is for her to decide. Women are competent enough to make that decision for themselves.
There are whole categories of women/girls who can't make a free choice because of the powerlessness of their situtation or their lack of life experiences, such as teenagers....
how do you presume to protect them? They are not capable of legally making decisions which is why they can't sign contracts or agree to cosmetic surgery without parental consent.....yet, they can obtain abortions without that consent....
teenagers are the most likely group to have a negative abortion experience.....

reply from: prochoiceinNY

There is always going to be*****in life you regret, whether its the first looser you *****ed or the job you left before a promotion. Some women will regret their choice of abortion, but just cos they can't tough it out and accept responsibilty for their actions doesn't mean the rest of us should be penalized.

reply from: faithman

SSSSSOOOOO just because you cant tough it out and give birth to your children, you should be allowed the cowards option to slaughter them at planned parenthood? Can't accept the responsibility of children? Just have their brains sucked out before they are born. But you will have to find some one else besides Tiller the ex-babykillerist. He is currently retired under a dirt quilt.


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