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by: nancyu

Dear God, please make her go away...

reply from: yoda

First, we must submit to her burning desire for "sweet revenge", before she will "cross over to the light." Otherwise, she'll be posting here late at night, long after she has passed away, from some "ghost computer".

reply from: Yuuki

Funny, option 3 is how I feel about YOU.

reply from: Yuuki

Seems she's losing her bet, too. Hope that dollar wasn't her life's savings.

reply from: BossMomma

Churchmouse and I don't always see eye to eye but at least she is not here for the sole purpose of spamming, mudslinging and, generally being a nuisance.

reply from: BossMomma

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That's OK, she'll emotionally abuse her children until one of them gives her a buck to shut up...
Hell if that's all it took I'd have thrown five dollars at her long ago.

reply from: Faramir

I think as far as nancyu is concerned, I'd go with the third option, though I think it's being a little too generous. "Mean b***h" migt be a little more accurate. Or maybe "witch"? At any rate, she's a nasty creature. I hope it's just her board persona, though, and that in real life she is the opposite and is actually kind and caring, and doesn't habitually make snotty comments.

reply from: Faramir

You're doing very well Churchmouse, considering this crowd.
Though I expect nancyu might call on her buddy to get the sock puppet votes to save some face.

reply from: Faramir

I like my straight hair.

reply from: churchmouse

I am very flattered that ancy would care enough to make another thread about me, she is so kind. Imagine that !!!!!!!! That means I have touched a nerve.
The fact is.......I am not leaving. So when she sent me today the nasty PM........I had to chuckle.
Hey all I want them to do is answer one little question. Now a few say they have me on ignore cause they are afraid of answering it.
Well running is not my style....and I would never think of putting someone on ignore because I could not answer a question. I dissagree with a lot of people on here about issues but that does not mean I hate them. I admire greatly faramir and Concerned and we disagree all the time on some issues. They dont run, I dont run, we do our best to be civil and it works. They are two smart people.
I disagree with Boss over a few things but enjoy her posts and believes she has a good heart as I do spinwiddy does as well, just does not want to show it sometimes..... ACtually I dont hate the hate group on here, they remain in my prayers that God change their minds about violence. Those that are pro-choice remain in my prayers that God change their minds. But to hate them for a view that counters mine? No not gonna do it.
Now the question was.......
Do you condone the violent acts against the abortionist, his body guard and the abortionists wife? Were the murders glorifying God?
And nancy your answer would be what?
And I am insane for Christ........LOL He is my Savior.

reply from: Faramir

So apparently she's the "b word" in real life too...
I wonder if she is deluded enough to think it has to do with love of the babies.

reply from: xnavy

good post churchmouse, nancyu this post was a waster of time and has nothing to do with abortion.

reply from: yoda

Wow...... is that how a "Christian" speaks of others, weenie?

reply from: Faramir

Wow...... is that how a "Christian" speaks of others, weenie?
What should I have said about an outwardly nasty person who goes out of her way to ridicule someone else in a special thread and then sends her a nasty PM?
Would a lie have served better?
Silence perhaps...but unfortunately, nancyu has been showing her true colors lately, and they ain't purty, and I wan't to make it crystal clear that I separate myself from this kind of person who abuses her pro-life beliefs to harrass and demean others.

reply from: yoda

"Perhaps"? Your Christian love would not allow you to be silent about your "Christian hatred"? You just had to blurt it out profanely? And that's how a "good Christian" reacts?
Why did you think you were in danger of being lumped with nancy anyway? You're always attacked her, you've never defended her (as you constantly defend carolemarie), so who would've lumped you with her?
That's the thinnest, most unconvincing excuse for cursing someone I've ever seen..... especially from someone who constantly harps about "abuse".
Abuse is okay when YOU do it, right?

reply from: BossMomma

The ironies of this forum never cease to amaze me, it seems that the intelligent, rational posters here all made the ignorant hater's faux life list. All the people most likely to benefit the pro-life cause are on that list, I-Frickin-ronic.

reply from: Faramir

"Perhaps"? Your Christian love would not allow you to be silent about your "Christian hatred"? You just had to blurt it out profanely? And that's how a "good Christian" reacts?
Why did you think you were in danger of being lumped with nancy anyway? You're always attacked her, you've never defended her (as you constantly defend carolemarie), so who would've lumped you with her?
That's the thinnest, most unconvincing excuse for cursing someone I've ever seen..... especially from someone who constantly harps about "abuse".
Abuse is okay when YOU do it, right?
It would have been better if I told her privately that she's been behaving like a ***** and should change her ways.
But I figured that in a thread where her intent is to thrash someone else, that it might be appropriate to say it right here and in the open.
But I don't hate her, personally. I just hate that she's a *****, or at least is doing a superb job of imitating one.
Would you like to suggest to nancyu that it wasn't nice or Christian to make a thread like this?

reply from: Teresa18

Churchmouse and I agree on the issues of Judeo-Christian values, abortion, and humanism. We don't see eye to eye theologically, but I think she loves God and sincerely believes she is doing the right thing. I certainly don't think she is "insane" or an "idiot". Like all of us, she can get frustrated in a debate, but I think she is generally a nice, good person who is trying to follow Christ.

reply from: Yuuki

Churchmouse is... a sweet, kind, loving, Christian - 10 votes 52.63 (%)
(Total Votes: 19)

So far, she's winning. How does humiliation feel, Nancyu?

reply from: yoda

That's not very convincing, weenie. You don't call someone a b***h unless you hate them.
I would consider that if she had made a career out of whining about other posters not being nice to one another, like you have.
It's a question of hypocrisy, weenie.

reply from: yoda

By one vote? Hmmm....... that's a victory? I'm not going to call her any names, but I have her on iggy for a reason that has to do with unprovoked personal attacks (like the ones weenie constantly complains about, and then does himself).

reply from: nancyu

I know that. Did you vote?

reply from: Faramir

I know that. Did you vote?
She forgot to mention that you are also a B-something for doing it. Did you know that too?
Go back to your pack of dogs nancyu. Don't be a sore loser. There will be other times when you can sink your teeth in again.

reply from: nancyu

Wow...... is that how a "Christian" speaks of others, weenie?
What should I have said about an outwardly nasty person who goes out of her way to ridicule someone else in a special thread and then sends her a nasty PM?
Would a lie have served better?
Silence perhaps...but unfortunately, nancyu has been showing her true colors lately, and they ain't purty, and I wan't to make it crystal clear that I separate myself from this kind of person who abuses her pro-life beliefs to harrass and demean others.
Good, consider yourself separated from me. I didn't know we were ever together...but, oh well it sure was swell while it lasted weenie!

reply from: nancyu

Funny, option 3 is how I feel about YOU.
REally? Me 2 U!!

reply from: nancyu

Like someone else we know right BossMomma

reply from: churchmouse

nancy would love nothing better than to turn this into a hate threat. So why should we give her what she wants?
If she wants to single me out fine....let her. She only makes herself look bad.
I am not going to jump aboard the hate bandwagon I would appreciate that no one else did either.
I pray for nancy daily, that God change her heart. Violence is not the answer.

reply from: Faramir

Good for you.
You're a good example of how a Christian should respond to hatred and persecution.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Churchmouse said:
I am a sinner however and fall short every day of my life. I am a Jesus freak however LOL....... I am passionate about the prolife cause, but the passion of my life is Christ.
What do you mean you are a "Jesus freak" and Christ is the "passion of your life"? Are these vain nice sounding words or is there meat and meaning behind them?
The only Way to be saved is to start loving your neighbor rather than harboring murder in your heart. Anyone who remains a sinner hates his brother and has no inheritance. See signature below to learn how you can know that you have moved from death to life.
Sin is basically offenses against others, God and man. The law is prohibition against offenses against the other spirits (God and man). You are required to love and serve others; it must become your nature.
God is not mocked, the sinner shall die. Don't be proud to proclaim you are a sinner. It reflects that you still hate your neighbor and God. So how then can you claim to be a Jesus freak and passionate about Christ? If you were those things you would be passionately opposed to sin, against hating and injuring man and God.
I need feedback from you so I can choose a selection in the poll. My decision rests largely on your response.

reply from: Yuuki

Funny, option 3 is how I feel about YOU.
REally? Me 2 U!!
Well duh.

reply from: Yuuki

By one vote? Hmmm....... that's a victory? I'm not going to call her any names, but I have her on iggy for a reason that has to do with unprovoked personal attacks (like the ones weenie constantly complains about, and then does himself).
Actually last time she had more than 50% of the vote since the other three options split the rest. In an election, she'd win. She's now even higher, btw.

reply from: BossMomma

Like someone else we know right BossMomma
Well I was thinking of you, perhaps your thinking of faithman?

reply from: jujujellybean

how is this saving any babies? you accuse the pro-aborts of going on and on and posting stuff that is irrelevant....this is just as bad as those! Honestly, what is being accomplished by this???

reply from: churchmouse

I love Christ, He comes first before anything else. There is a good book called, Jesus Freaks. The term actually started in the late sixties by the Hippies. Not long after that Christ centered Rock and Roll emerged. It sorta shook up traditional worship. I have no idea how old you are but I am 53 so I remember when this all happened. Its a really touching book about people whose lives have been changed by Christ..........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Freaks_(book)

I did not mean any disrespect because I have a passionate heart for Christ. I laughed because there are people on here that think I take my faith to seriously and that it clouds my thinking. Maybe it does who knows. They think my first focus should be on the unborn child. Dont get me wrong, that is a passion in my life, but not what comes first. I do what I can and let God do the rest. He knows my heart. I know at times I ramble on and quote to much scripture but I am just excited about what Christ did in my life and I want others to know that He can forgive anything.
No, the WAY to be saved is tO accept Christ. Loving does not save you, Christ does. And if your heart is changed, then you love in the right way, always glorifying Him first however.
When one sins, they sin against God. Sin separates you from God because He is pure and holy....totally good. We are not, we are the opposite even though we might be saved we still sin. You get eternal life when your heart accepts Christ.
But just because you accept Him does not mean you dont sin. We live in a corrupt, sinful world full of evil things.
I dont wake up in the morning and say, gee I think I will sin today. But it happens and when it does, I repent and ask at that very moment to be forgiven. We might have good intentions but we all fall short at times. Jesus did not come for the people who are perfect, He came for the sinner. Loving and serving should be in our nature as Christians, but it is not the measure of salvation.......accepting Christ is. You can love and serve your fellow man but unless you accept Christ.......well you know what Christ said about that.
That is why I take the Great Commission so seriously. People need to know the truth of Gods Word.
I am not proud to say I sin. However.....people can come to know the Lord when people share their testimonies. As I said read Jesus Freaks it shares stories of those who lived sinful lives that came to know Christ. All the apostles are in it.
You obviously question my salvation and passion for Christ and that is ok. I share my story, I witness the gospel like we are commanded to do by Christ Himself...it was not a suggestion, it was commanded. I try to do it everywhere I go if the opportunity presents itself. In fact I have shared the gospel so much on here people call me names because of it. The very same people that think they are standing on the Word and condoning the acts Hill did. They are the ones who look the other way when scriptures that convict them.
Wow. Like that poll means that much to you as a Christian? LOL
Do you think I care about the outcome of that poll? I care what Christ thinks about me, thats what I care about.
That makes me wonder about your passion and where your heart is actually. If you dont know me by now by what I have posted on here.......then you never will.
God is the center in my life, even before the unborn. I look heavenward every day towards Christ. I do everything to hopfully please Him. As I said, I fall short and I have committed many horrendous sins in my life.......but guess what.....HE SAVED ME AND NOW I AM HIS.
So check whatever you want, it is unimportant really. You need to witness to those here who do not have Christ and those that do that think that violence is the godly answer to the problem. They need our love, they need our prayers.
Jesus said, Love your enemies and pray for those that persecute you......thats what I choose to do.
I hope I answered your questions.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

God's Law said:
"The only Way to be saved is to start loving your neighbor rather than harboring murder in your heart. Anyone who remains a sinner hates his brother and has no inheritance. See signature below to learn how you can know that you have moved from death to life."
Churchmouse said:
No, the WAY to be saved is tO accept Christ. Loving does not save you, Christ does. And if your heart is changed, then you love in the right way, always glorifying Him first however.
My response:
Your response indicates you do not understand. You must love God and your neighbor. It is the only Way to be saved. The Messiah (Christ), who bent down and served by washing his neighbor's feet, will have the Government on his shoulder. By His life he will save us. He sets the example. We walk in His footsteps. Anyone who does not walk in His footsteps, who does not serve, shall die.
YOU MUST LOVE TO BE SAVED. Murderers shall die, God is not mocked, that is how it is.
Love is "The WAY" to eternal life. Christ shows us that Way (since God and Christ are Love), He is the example. We are commanded to walk in His footsteps.
Do you know what the word vain means? Useless, meaningless, without value.
The expression "accepting Christ" is meaningless unless you define what it means. Do you mean a 30 second sinners prayer to "ask Jesus into your heart". And what in the blue blazes is that suppose to really mean, if anything? Accepting Jesus means accepting his position as head Ruler and actually obeying Him. Acceptance means you actually love your neighbor and God by implementing Christ's commands to love your neighbor as yourself.

reply from: BossMomma

Honestly none of this posting is saving babies so everyone, including you isn't accomplishing anything so let us have some fun will ya?

reply from: churchmouse

God's Law said:
I respectfully disagree that to be saved you only need to love your neighbor. This is not scriptural.
"I tell you the truth, unless a man is born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God... unless a man is born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God (John 3:3,5)."
Where did He say that you did not need Him to make it to Heaven? That means everyone that has ever loved anyone would go. And all roads do not lead to heaven. There is a hell.....someone has to be there. And Christ came to save people. Save them from what? Hell. He talked about hell more than heaven.
No matter how good people think they are, when compared with God's standard of goodness, they can recognize quickly that they have fallen short, and they often admit their guilt. God's Law was given for our benefit, so we could see ourselves in truth and feel genuine sorrow for our sin.
"Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation" (2 Corinthians 7:10, NIV).

Romans 1:17-18 says, In the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "BUT THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH." For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness."
He will live by faith in Christ. FAITH. And if you have faith in Christ you love.
You can believe Christ was a good human being and try to live by the Commandments but not make it to heaven. REMEMBER THE GATE IS NARROW AND NOT ALL WILL GO.
Christ said, I am the way the truth and the life......NO ONE will go to the FAther but through ME."
You must love HIm and accept Him to be saved. And if you do, the Holy Spirit will change your heart. You will then want to serve other and love even your enemy.
Christ is the way to eternal life. Christ is the ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER. Many good people have loved before. But Christ said unless they accept Him as their SAvior.......they will perish.
Yes we are commanded to walk in His footsteps, but we cant do it perfectly.
Well first of all no one knows if someone else is saved or not. God knows that. The worst sinner in the world could accept Christ one minute before death and revieve eternal life. The theif on the cross did, didnt he?
So for you the sinners prayer might be a joke......but I am sure people have come to know Christ through that prayer....and other scriptures as well. Christ saves and changes lives.
Eternal life with God is not possible without Christ and faith in Him.
"I am the Door [Gate]... by Me if any man enter in, he shall be saved (John 10:9a)."
"'So how can we know the way?' Jesus answered, 'I am the Way [Path]'... (John 14:5,6ff)."

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Make it to heaven?
Nobody goes to heaven. You immediately indicate you are off-track by saying we need to "make it to heaven."
You are thinking of a blissful place called heaven contained in ancient pagan traditions.
This reality is it; the meek shall inherit the earth. Forget about "heaven". That is a vain tradtion of men.
You are off-track.
It's all about love and service.

reply from: Yuuki

We all know your views of Christianity are messed up.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

We all know your views of Christianity are messed up.
Well did Isaiah prophesy of this people, saying,"They have eyes that do not see and ears that do not hear. Their heart is far from me, declares the Lord."
CP said:
They may be "messed up," but having studied the Bible thoroughly, I must concede that his beliefs are "scriptural." (This in no way implies that I believe it, I merely acknowledge what it actually says.)
I must say, I am somewhat surprised. Jesus did say the religious figures of his day were clueless and that the murderers and whores would catch on first and enter the Kingdom before the "so-called" religious authorities.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

We all know your views of Christianity are messed up.
Well did Isaiah prophesy of this people, saying,"They have eyes that do not see and ears that do not hear. Their heart is far from me, declares the Lord."
CP said:
They may be "messed up," but having studied the Bible thoroughly, I must concede that his beliefs are "scriptural." (This in no way implies that I believe it, I merely acknowledge what it actually says.)
I must say, I am somewhat surprised. Jesus did say the religious figures of his day were clueless and that the murderers and whores would catch on first and enter the Kingdom before the "so-called" religious authorities.
So you and I must be "murderers and whores?"
Unfortunately, that is a good description of the past thoughts, lifestyle and practice. I fit into that category. We have to put off the old man. The Bible says Jesus' Sacrifice was for the "sins previously committed". God passes over them. We , like children, slip and fall. The Sacrifice is also for sins committed "ignorantly or unintentionally". God is gracious and forgives slip-ups as the Christian grows to maturity, to the full measure of the man. However, God has declared, anyone who continues to sin willfully after receiving the Holy Spirit, being set aside for Holy service, coming to know the truth, if he decides to trample on Christ's blood there is no more Sacrifice for his sins but the expectation of judgment.

reply from: yoda

Like someone else we know right BossMomma
You all shouldn't be so hard on spinweenie.

reply from: yoda

You mean instead of calling them profane names, like you do?

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Hmmm. I was once a violent man, and "murderous" might very well have been an apt description. I was never really promiscuous, however. I can honestly say I am a "new man," and it is my heart that has changed. I just do not accept the Bible as inerrant truth, nor do I blindly accept the existence of "God." I do not deny it, and I do not ac cept it as truth. I neither believe, nor disbelieve, I simply honestly admit that I do not know. I do, however, know what the Bible says, and it is not what I hear from a lot of the people who claim to have been "born again."
I believe those who claim to be "born again" exhibit behavior no different than the average secular population.
And, as usual, my definition of terms is totally different than "traditional" Christianity. I believe we are born again when we receive a body composed of energy that doesn't break down as compared to a body that breaks down and decomposes. Spirit is a form of energy that doesn't break down and physical matter is a form of energy that breaks down. We haven't been "born again" yet.
I believe a limited number are now called to be Saints, to rule with Christ. Judgment or salvation starts at the House of the Lord. Those called now the Bible calls "The Firstfruits of Harvest, The Early Harvest, The Spring Harvest". The majority are left in ignorance. I believe they have an opportunity to be part of the great Fall Harvest; an event that occurs after the thousand year reign of Christ. It's all laid out in the Books of Moses, which "traditional" Christianity rejects in favor of pagan traditions of men.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Hmmm. I was once a violent man, and "murderous" might very well have been an apt description. I was never really promiscuous, however. I can honestly say I am a "new man," and it is my heart that has changed. I just do not accept the Bible as inerrant truth, nor do I blindly accept the existence of "God." I do not deny it, and I do not ac cept it as truth. I neither believe, nor disbelieve, I simply honestly admit that I do not know. I do, however, know what the Bible says, and it is not what I hear from a lot of the people who claim to have been "born again."
I believe those who claim to be "born again" exhibit behavior no different than the average secular population.
And, as usual, my definition of terms is totally different than "traditional" Christianity. I believe we are born again when we receive a body composed of energy that doesn't break down as compared to a body that breaks down and decomposes. Spirit is a form of energy that doesn't break down and physical matter is a form of energy that breaks down. We haven't been "born again" yet.
I believe a limited number are now called to be Saints, to rule with Christ. Judgment or salvation starts at the House of the Lord. Those called now the Bible calls "The Firstfruits of Harvest, The Early Harvest, The Spring Harvest". The majority are left in ignorance. I believe they have an opportunity to be part of the great Fall Harvest; an event that occurs after the thousand year reign of Christ. It's all laid out in the Books of Moses, which "traditional" Christianity rejects in favor of pagan traditions of men.
You must logically believe that man has a "spirit" or "soul," don't you? Surely you believe that these "first fruits" have been "born again," that they have undergone a spiritual change, are essentially "perfect" and without sin? You speak of the 144,000?
EDIT:
Your beliefs might be said to closely resemble those of the Jehovah's Witnesses or Seventh Day Adventists in some respects....
I once attended a (one) 7th Adventist service but never attended with Jehovah's Witnesses. It is my understanding that my belief system has more in common with both than nearly any other group.
I attended for two years with Herbert W Armstrong's Church. I have a lot in common with the United Church of God www.ucg.org and the Messianic Jewish Movement; I've studied literature from both.
Soul is a word for a physical body which decays. Spirit is a word for the mind, composed of energy that doesn't decompose; it returns to God at death, but cannot see, hear, feel or think without the sensory organs of ears, eyes, brain, nerves.
I understand being "born again" to mean having your mind united with a spiritual body that doesn't decompose. God, unlike man, has the ability to destroy even the mind (spirit). We are told to fear Him because destruction of the mind is everlasting.
We strive to be "perfect" or "sinless". To reach maturity. I don't view God as someone ready to step on and squash anyone for the smallest mistake or error. He says some of us will be like vessels of gold, silver or wood for service. We all have different capabilities and that is alright with God. It is the one who deliberately continues sinning that he has a problem with.
I have not studied the 144,000.

reply from: nancyu

snicker...
edit: I posted this when I changed the poll answers.. (just don't want anyone to think the snicker was aimed at the above conversation.

reply from: churchmouse

You never answered my question.
Do you ever sin?
Yes or paradise. What did Christ say to the theif on the cross? Dont you believe there is a Heaven?
We need to give our hearts to Christ. We need to confess that He is God that He came and died for our sins.
Why did Jesus come? Did He come for fun?
He came to save the lost. He can so that those that believe in Him will have eternal life. And where does eternity take place for believers? In heaven with God.
There is a literal Heaven and Hell.
What did Christ mean when He told the theif on the cross that "today you will be with me in Paradise."?
I am not off track at all.
Hating is a sin and ungodly but it does not keep you from eternal life with God.
If you think its all about love and service, you are off track.
There are people on this earth that serve two masters. The master that matters is Christ. And He said it Himself.......unless you are born again, you will not have eternal life with Him.
He said that HE WAS THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE........NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER WITHOUT HIM.
You can love and not be Christian. You can serve and not be Christian.
You leave out the main man.........CHRIST.
"God is gracious and forgives slip-ups as the Christian grows to maturity, to the full measure of the man. However, God has declared, anyone who continues to sin willfully after receiving the Holy Spirit, being set aside for Holy service, coming to know the truth, if he decides to trample on Christ's blood there is no more Sacrifice for his sins but the expectation of judgment.'
He forgives slip ups if you repent and ask Him for forgiveness. Even at maturity we sin.
Where is this scriptural that one can lose salvation?
Why not forget everything structured and just take Christs word for everything. Rely on what the scriptures have to say. Where is body composed of energy.....etc etc......come from? What scriptures?
So Godslaw... you reject the bible then thinking they are only words from pagan civilizations. Am I right?
Armstrong is the one who said that he was the only true apostle since the first century. He did not believe in the Trinity either.
I think I'll keep my mouth shut on this one.


Concerned said, "The Bible also says that one who is "born again" will not, can not sin, yet I hear people all the time who claim they are "saved" and have been "born again," yet admit they still sin! The Bible says that you can not serve two masters, and that he who sins is the servant of sin. It doesn't say that if you immediately repent, you're good, it says be perfect, as your father in heaven is perfect."
Where and who said that? The only perfect person on earth has been Christ. Just because we are believers does not mean we are co-equal to Him. If we were perfect we wouldn't need Him. and believers still need Christ even if they are saved.

reply from: faithgirl

I think that its dumb they say that it is ok to killl babys they are alive dumb dumbs

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

My answer to you, Churchmouse, is to read concernedparent's Biblical quotes. We are commanded to be perfect and quit sinning. No fooling!!!
Jesus came to preach the good news, the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. Jesus came to set an example for those who are called to be Saints (rulers) in the Government of God. Besides preaching the Government of God and setting an example for us to follow, Jesus also served as the Passover Lamb. Please remember what Samuel told Saul, "To obey is better than sacrifice." God prefers that we obey Him.
Mat 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
Mat 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Luk 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
2Co 13:11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Heb 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
Mat 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Mat 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
Mat 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
Mat 5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
Mat 5:36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
Mat 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
Mat 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Mat 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
Mat 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
Mat 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

reply from: nancyu

Go faithgirl! You're going to be a great clone!

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Are you saying faithman and faithgirl are the dynamic duo?

reply from: nancyu

(I think it's fixed now.) I know it's a little bit Blame churchmouse, she brings that out in me. Anyway, it's MY topic and I can do whatever I want with it!

reply from: nancyu

You only "fixed" it so that "insane" is no longer showing up in the poll twice (and "sweet, loving Christian" not at all). You still turned it into a lie by reordering the choices so that it appears that only one person voted for "sweet loving Christian," when in reality, 15 people voted for that option.
I don't think it occurred to anybody that they might need to fix polls where dishonest people could not alter them after the votes were in, or else they would probably have done so....Sure, it's your topic, and you can do what you want, just like it's your mouth, and you can lie if you want. You can be petty and dishonest if you want. You're the one who has to live with it....
I don't think I was being altogether dishonest. I was going to change it back but then re reconsidered. I don't think everyone takes this thread quite as seriously as you seem to. If I offended you I'm sorry. Well maybe not that sorry. But just a little sorry. Yeah, a little sorry, maybe. Ah, I'll get back to you.

reply from: nancyu

I altered the poll everyone. Oh, my what a fiasco huh? I confess. Please know that everyone answered the poll honestly according to what they knew to be true in their deepest heart of hearts and I'm sure they didn't vote in a dishonest way to spite me or anything. And yes, I altered the poll for my own selfish amusement.
...it was like, it was like, I was like spinwiddy or something...

reply from: yoda

I'm glad you've put her back on iggy.... it's more peaceful that way.

reply from: nancyu

no, no hey listen, I...I ah...I I'm making progress on..on the polling...

reply from: nancyu

Like someone else we know right BossMomma

reply from: nancyu

I sincerely apologize to anyone who took this poll seriously and voted honestly.
But the rest of yas can go fly a kite.
Good night all, pleasant dreams.

reply from: Faramir

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Nope.
I'm an asset to my loved ones, and bring them comfort, humor, and support.
My coworkers appreciate my dedication and enthusiasm.
My friends embrace me as they would family, and I return the favor.
...And just today, my man bought me a lovely new goat.
You will never be like me!
What a thoughtful guy.
Little did I suspect that a goat was a way to a woman's heart.

reply from: Faramir

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I lost my former goat to cancer a little over two weeks ago.
I was heartbroken, but now I am whole again.
(I can't wear rings at work, so instead of a ring, he bought me new replacement hips for one of my dysplastic German Shepherds. What declares a man's love more that a state-of-the-art stainless steel Swiss-made dog ass?)
What a guy!
(And I'm sorry about your goat).

reply from: nancyu

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Nope.
I'm an asset to my loved ones, and bring them comfort, humor, and support.
My coworkers appreciate my dedication and enthusiasm.
My friends embrace me as they would family, and I return the favor.
...And just today, my man bought me a lovely new goat.
You will never be like me!
Wow, you make yourself sound great! Some of that is true of me also (not the goat part.) No wonder your boyfriend likes you! I'll bet he's alot like weenie! Is he?

But you're also in favor of the legalized slaughter of innocent unborn children, so in that respect I pray that I never will be like you.

reply from: Faramir

No doubt she would be making outrageous passes at me if it were not she has a boyfriend who has more goats to give than I do. (Though based on some of her posts to another fellow here, I think she might prefer youth and innocence to experience, so sadly, I might not be next in line afterall...)

reply from: yoda

Weenie and spinweenie......... the perfect couple!!

reply from: churchmouse

Godslaw do you sin? Yes or no
Why can't I get a simple answer around here?
I never said we were not to quit sinning, of course we should. But it is not possible to be perfect and without sin. Jesus was the only person that has been sinless. Are you saying that you are now co-equal with His record?
Yes or no
We should always obey Him. But have you ever slipped? And because you slipped does that make you any less His?
nancy ya changed the poll honey. LOL
But then you had to ....to save face. You are a dishonest person nancy. Shame shame shame ha ha
Well of course you can do whatever you want....my point exactly. And if ya have to cheat to win, that is ok. And who is the dishonest Christian? Ya kill me nance.
Amusement to you is dishonestly. You just showed here......that you failed in what you set out to do. You look like a fool.

reply from: Faramir

You changed the responses of others.
Quite a sore loser you are...
Did you cheat at Monopoly too?

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

I never said we were not to quit sinning, of course we should. But it is not possible to be perfect and without sin. Jesus was the only person that has been sinless. Are you saying that you are now co-equal with His record?
Yes or no
We should always obey Him. But have you ever slipped? And because you slipped does that make you any less His?
During the week long feast of unleavened bread we search for leaven in the house and put it out. This pictures our locating sin in our life and putting it out. Paul said, "If we say we have no sin, we are a liar." We must always be diligent to locate our shortcomings and remove the sins that we locate from our lives.
God has commanded that we be perfect and quit sinning. That command still stands, every jot and tittle of the law remains.

reply from: BossMomma

Babies that are alive? As opposed to what? Killing babies that are dead? Really faithman your just as stupid under this posting name as you are under your usual one.

reply from: churchmouse

Do you sin or not Godslaw? yes or no
Because what you are saying if I got it right is that if you sin, you arent saved.
Concerned
I make an effort everyday to not sin. But I am human and the fact is I sin. When that happens I repent and ask forgiveness. I do this because I believe the Word of God.
Who wouldn't want to be perfect? But then perfect could also be different to different people. What is Gods standard of perfect? Is His higher than ours? Of course it is.
God said, "Love your wife as Christ loved the church. Give yourself up for your wife." [Ephesians 5:25]
Love your wife in the same way you love your body and yourself. [Ephesians 5:28-33]
Be considerate as you live with your wife. [I Peter 3:7]
Do not be harsh with your wife. [Colossians 3:19]
Your body belongs to your wife. [I Corinthians 7:3-5]
Tell your wife how captivated you are with her body [Song of Solomon, 4:7; 7:1-8]
Honor your marriage; keep it pure by remaining true to your wife in every way [Heb 13:4]
Jesus even says that lustful looks are adultery [Matt 5:28].
Can a man or husband keep all these commandments perfectly? Does God expect that any man can do all these or strive to do all these?
If people were perfect.......they would be co-equal to Christ. No one ever has been coequal to Christ, no one ever has been perfect.
You gave these scripture.
Mat 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
If God believes that it is good for you and a part of His plan. All things are possible if its in Gods plan and done in His time. but this verse does not guarantee that you get what you ask for. He would never answer a request that would hurt us or violate His own will.
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
And Jesus knows quite well that sin has a way of controlling us and at times dominating our actions. He knows we can never achieve perfection on earth. That is why He came. Its not like once we are saved that we never need Him. He wants us to rely on HIm, He is our FAther. Do we as parents expect our children to be perfect? When our children turn into teenagers, young adults, do we expect them to be perfect? They might try to follow the rules but no child is perfect either and we still love them.
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Are you saying that all believers to be perfect should sell all they have? Christ did not mean it like that. He expects husbands to take care of their families. How would they do that if they sold all they had? We should be willing however to give up money to help others. Nothing should come between God especially not material possesstions. We must be willing to give it all up. We should not use our wealth selfishly.
Luk 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
Now my bible gives this scripture........"A student is not above his teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like his teacher." NIV
I think yours is King James translation. Anyway, Christ here teaches about criticizing others and gives us the parable of the blind man. I think thats where we got the saying........the blind leading the blind. Christ wants us to make sure we are following the RIGHT teachers and leaders. Trust is important.
2Co 13:11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
The NIV says this, "11Finally, brothers, good-by. Aim for perfection, listen to my appeal, be of one mind, live in peace. And the God of love and peace will be with you.
You really think that Paul thought the people he was addressing could be perfect?
You must always strive, sometimes to make it but sometimes we fall short.
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
NIV 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
And the only way we can do this is if we read and live the Word. We never should forget the Words purpose in our lives. It tells us how to live and do Christs work in the world.
So this verse is a hoax?
John 3:16 "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish -- not perish -- but have everlasting life," (John 3:16 KJV).
Whoever believes. A believer who loved Christ would do as he commands by loving. But this verse does not talk about the believers love....but Gods love and what He did for us.
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4 NIV)
Everyone who believes.
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. (Romans 10:10-11 NIV)
If you confess......and believe.........you will what? What happens if you do these two things?
This verse says it all and tells what to do to be saved. Its short, easy to read and its message is plainly clear. This verse does not have a list of what you have to do, rules, regulations, stipulations...etc. it simply says what the heart of a person has to do FIRST.
Paul says... "He who believes in him will not be put to shame." It is not based on works or anything we can do, its based on BELIEF.
"For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile -- the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." Romans 10:11
Who does He bless? Who does He save? He saves everyone that calls on Him. And God knows who these people are.
You need to love Christ and give your heart to Him.......to be saved.
He came to his own home, and his own people received him not. But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God; (John 1:11-12)
All those that believe in his name..........are children of God. After the Holy Spirit changes you then your life changes in many ways.
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control." (Galatians 5:22)
These start to change your life but only with the help of the Holy Spirit.

reply from: churchmouse

Wow now I am being harrassed in PM by a new member.......
She probably took yet another alias. LOL

reply from: BossMomma

Removed, it just wasn't right.

reply from: BossMomma

that's faithman, he used to harrass me in pm's too.

reply from: Faramir

I would suggest you report that to a moderator or the owner of this site.
But....that's what NORMAL message boards suggest.
Who knows? The owner could be doing it himself or is at least snickering about it.
This is a crazy place.
Post here at your own risk.

reply from: yoda

Or.... she could call them the "B" word, and then try to justify doing that, like you do....

reply from: Faramir

I can't imagine anyone could be that petty...

reply from: yoda

Do you make a habit of beating up on women, weenie?

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

So this verse is a hoax?
John 3:16 "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish -- not perish -- but have everlasting life," (John 3:16 KJV).
Whoever believes. A believer who loved Christ would do as he commands by loving. But this verse does not talk about the believers love....but Gods love and what He did for us.
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. (Romans 10:4 NIV)
Everyone who believes.
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. (Romans 10:10-11 NIV)
If you confess......and believe.........you will what? What happens if you do these two things?
This verse says it all and tells what to do to be saved. Its short, easy to read and its message is plainly clear. This verse does not have a list of what you have to do, rules, regulations, stipulations...etc. it simply says what the heart of a person has to do FIRST.
Paul says... "He who believes in him will not be put to shame." It is not based on works or anything we can do, its based on BELIEF.
"For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile -- the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." Romans 10:11
Who does He bless? Who does He save? He saves everyone that calls on Him. And God knows who these people are.
You need to love Christ and give your heart to Him.......to be saved.
He came to his own home, and his own people received him not. But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God; (John 1:11-12)
All those that believe in his name..........are children of God. After the Holy Spirit changes you then your life changes in many ways.
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control." (Galatians 5:22)
These start to change your life but only with the help of the Holy Spirit.
It is written, "THE SUM OF YOUR WORD IS TRUTH and ALL SCRIPTURE IS PROFITABLE." Therefore, the truth is the sum total of all the various arguments.
Confession and belief does include turning from sin and obeying the law. If you don't turn from sin and obey, do you really believe? Obviously, you think killing your neighbor and throwing a stumbling path in God's path to thwart His plans is okay if you go on sinning.
Sin always leads to death. Sin is breaking the law. The law is entirely based on relations between the spirits (God and man). Conflict, war and death is ALWAYS the result of sin (sin is doing somebody wrong). Life is ONLY possible by putting away sin.
Sin leads to conflict and death. Sin is always an infraction against God or neighbor. You are stepping on someone's toes if you sin; and that dog will bite.

reply from: ChristianLott2

i think house rat is a b*tch.

reply from: BossMomma

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I lost my former goat to cancer a little over two weeks ago.
I was heartbroken, but now I am whole again.
(I can't wear rings at work, so instead of a ring, he bought me new replacement hips for one of my dysplastic German Shepherds. What declares a man's love more than a state-of-the-art stainless steel Swiss-made dog ass?)
I had a pet goat once, a Nigerian Pygmy. She was my baby, no bigger than a cat she was so sweet.

reply from: nancyu

churchmouse we attempt to answer you all the time. You either just don't like our answers or you don't bother to read them. Probably both.
Anyway, your constant disregard to our answers and continually repeating the same question leads to frustration and angry "poll" threads.
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=6312&enterthread=y

reply from: nancyu

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Yes, isn't she disobedient?
I can see why her failure to obey you FORCED you to act like an a$$hole.
You're blameless. It's all her fault. She must learn to use a little discipline when it comes to her superhuman telepsychic powers.
What's your excuse for being an a$$hole?

reply from: Faramir

You're right again.
Trying to maintain a sense or appearance of "righteousness" on a board like this is a real b*tch (not in the personal sense, but in that it is really hard).
I'm considering dispensing with it althogether. I'd like to have some fun too!

reply from: churchmouse

Not posting in this thread anymore.......God bless.

reply from: nancyu

But you just did. Oh dear, you are so dishonest.

reply from: nancyu

churchmouse, I know I did honey, and if you'd bothered to read you would have seen that I admitted changing the poll about 7 or 8 posts ago. No wait, it was like 19 or 20 posts ago.


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