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Churchmouse = False Christian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Churchmouse = False Christian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by: joe

Churchmouse = False Christian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reply from: nancyu

Hooray!!!
Joe is back.

reply from: faithman

HOORAY FOR JOE ACE!!!!! He always did have the gift for stating the obvious!!!!!!

reply from: churchmouse

My gosh did faithman take me off ignore for this one? LOL
Why Faithman this one you liked eh.........ha ha
You conveniently hide when confronted with scriptures and then you come out of your cave to spew more hatred.
Hey you are entitled to your opinions. But if you are a Christian then you need to back it up with scriptures. That means nancy.....get out your dusty bible and read..Faithman too. Do you have a bible faithman?....or do you jsut rely on the ARmy of God site for your scriptures?
So guys good job........now attack scriptures to your charges.
I have waited for this....for a long time......Faithman finally confronting scriptures.
Bring it on.......
Why am I a false Christian guys?

reply from: Weenie

What makes her false, Joe?

reply from: Weenie

Don't expect a debate or a good faith discussion.
It ain't gonna happen.
It will be personal attacks and gibberish.

reply from: yoda

It will be if you are in it......

reply from: Weenie

It will be if you are in it......
I'm willing to listen to your arguments and discuss it resonably and fairly.
Why is she a false Christian?

reply from: yoda

That's not what I posted about..... is it?

reply from: Weenie

The thread has accused churchmouse of being a false Christian.
I would think you have an interest in that topic and that's why you posted here.
What is your view about it?

reply from: yoda

Nope. No interest at all in that topic. Just your comment was of interest to me. Like my reply?

reply from: Weenie

I love your reply.
But I'm going to stay on the topic of this thread.
I am curious what makes someone a "false Christian" and why Joe sees it that way, and why he felt it to be so important he needed to make a special thread about it. If you have anthing to contribute to the topic, I would be interested in your comments. If not, I have nothing further to say to you here.

reply from: yoda

Then you'll just have to wait for Joe.... got something to chew while you're waiting?

reply from: yoda

Now spinny, we know you're a hairy chested, baby killing terror.....

reply from: churchmouse

Yoda
Ah come on yoda,,,,,,,or is this out of your comfort zone? LOL
You came in......come on, you are never at a loss for words, why am I a false Christian?
I hope this does not end up being about denominations. LOL
What is a Christian? To find the answer I would think we should look to scripture.
First off a Christian is a person who the Holy Spirit has changed.
(II Corinthians 5:17; Ephesians 4:24; Colossians 3:9, 10; Ephesians 2:10; Galatians 6:15;II Peter 1:2-4;James 1:17;I John 2:29; 3:7; I Peter 1:15, 16;James 1:18; I John 5:1; John 1:12, 13;Titus 3: 5; John 5:24, 25; Ephesians 2:1; Colossians 2:13; Luke 15:24, 32)
A person has to be changed, not on the outside but the inside. All the education in the world cant change a person in this way.......only the Holy Spirit does the work.
A Christian is one who knows he is unworthy to recieve the Grace of God. They recognize their own sinfulness. A Christian must repent.
And the most important one.......a Christian is a person who believes that Christ is God in the flesh and that He was the ONLY substitute for their sin. They must know and publically acknowledge the identity of Christ.
We are lost without HIm. Jesus Christ himself explained his coming when he said, "The son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost." (Luke 19:10)
I do not know anyones heart and certainly no one can know mine. That is scriptural. All we have to go on are our actions and words. We can take a look at what a person does in connection to the Word to see if he or she is authentic.
There are godly standards that a Christian must meet and if they dont meet what the scriptures say they should be called out.
The reason I called people out for their unchristian actions is because I cant figure out why someone who has been saved by the blood of the Lamb could attack people with hate?
If they do, they are acting ungodly and they do not act according to what scriptures command. At one time I was acting ungodly on the site until an enemy at the time pmed me and called me on my actions. She was right and I changed and started defending my sister in Christ. And now we are friends.
So how am I unchristian for doing what the scriptures command me to do? Loving and trying to minister to someone lost, showing compassion for another brother or sister. Is that not scriptural?
And how are the people who will bash me here just for the sake of bashing, acting godly by namecalling and bashing someone who has repented and been forgiven.
If you say I am acting ungodly that I am a false Christian, then you who accuse me must believe you are the real deal. How are your actions godly thats what I would like to know.
What is a Christian and how does one act?

reply from: churchmouse

No one wants to comment?
LOL
Does that surprise you weenie? LOL

reply from: Weenie

It's pointless to reason with the unreasonable, Churchmouse.
It doesn't matter if what you are stating it the Gospel Truth, and it doesn't matter if you are trying to pursuade someone who claims to be a Christian.
They are too stubborn and blind to get it.
The most you can hope for is that possibly some reasonable people might come along, who don't mind having real discussions, and who don't resort to name calling, or worse, if their postion is challenged.

reply from: Steph

Hello Joe,
I like your signature line.
I stopped by to see if there was a thread on that girl in arizona that stuffed her baby in a bag but I found this, and thought I would say hello.
Steph

reply from: 4given

I just read about it...

reply from: 4given

I guess..lol.. Oh wait lmao.. Yeah. I don't know any "Christians" that regularly abuse either term as readily. Churchmouse-lol-lmao a new breed of Christian.. or something.. and it is somehow amusing to be condescending..?

reply from: Weenie

I guess..lol.. Oh wait lmao.. Yeah. I don't know any "Christians" that regularly abuse either term as readily. Churchmouse-lol-lmao a new breed of Christian.. or something.. and it is somehow amusing to be condescending..?
I don't get the joke.

reply from: 4given

I guess..lol.. Oh wait lmao.. Yeah. I don't know any "Christians" that regularly abuse either term as readily. Churchmouse-lol-lmao a new breed of Christian.. or something.. and it is somehow amusing to be condescending..?
I don't get the joke.
Nor did I.. which is why I took note.. for far too long actually.. Nothing humorous to me..
Lord forgive me for the time I have wasted!

reply from: Weenie

I guess..lol.. Oh wait lmao.. Yeah. I don't know any "Christians" that regularly abuse either term as readily. Churchmouse-lol-lmao a new breed of Christian.. or something.. and it is somehow amusing to be condescending..?
I don't get the joke.
Nor did I.. which is why I took note.. for far too long actually.. Nothing humorous to me..
Lord forgive me for the time I have wasted!
I think you should instead thank God for having a little time to "waste."
It's good to do nothing sometimes or laugh about silly things sometimes.
My problem is I do too much of it, so "Lord forgive ME..."

reply from: ChristianLott2

ha. good one. ratshack's long winded fully annotated in bold personal attacks at every last pro lifer on this forum.

reply from: churchmouse

Why. Give examples 4given. You said nothing in this dribble of a post. You a Christian show me I am false. And we will all watch how you conduct yourself.
So let me get this straight 4given, a new breed of Christian to you means one that stands and lives the gospel? Or does one show hate and call names. Which one?
What is a christian to you? Would love to know your brand of Christianity.
And christianlott what is a Christian to you?
None of you have said one word and have not answered the question this thread is all about.
Why am I a false Christian? And If I am false and you are the real deal.....then tell us what you think a real Christian looks like?
And it is evident that the real haters on here wont touch this topic, that is what is amazing. Why arent they here?
And joe where are ya........dont want to comment anymore? LMAO

reply from: BossMomma

Joe = poster child for birth control.

reply from: joe

Why are you laughing? You are the one who cannot handle the truth. You hide, you lie and condemn the innocent. You would gladly have someone defend your life with force (even if it includes killing them) but turn around and condemn those who stand for the unborn. Christians are not hypocrites.

reply from: churchmouse

joe I think cocktail hour started early at your house if ya know what I mean. LOL
Yes I cant accept your version of the Truth. And if you think hating someone is the answer....then I reject your truth. Christ said love even your enemy.
You site a scripture that you dont even grasp.
I do not hide from anything. If so what do I hide from. My abortion views mirror Faithmans......and you worship him. I certainly do not condemn the innocent unborn child. I simply am standing up for someone who is being crucified by so-called Christians in name only....on this forum.
You are not defending the Word and the Truth at least the God version in the Bible.
Noww lets stick to the topic that you started.
You said I am a false Christian. What am I doing and what have I said, that is contrary to the Word?
I am still waiting for your answer on this.

reply from: ChristianLott2

talk about me talk about me!

reply from: nancyu

ha. good one. ratshack's long winded fully annotated in bold personal attacks at every last pro lifer on this forum.
Oh ChristianLott how dare you slander churchmouse this way! She has never done any such thing!!! Her posts are full of nothing but love and tender affection for everyone!
edit: LOL

reply from: 4given

Why. Give examples 4given. You said nothing in this dribble of a post. You a Christian show me I am false. And we will all watch how you conduct yourself.
What? My point was about how you conduct yourself.. especially the overuse and abuse of lol and lmao. Offensive to many Christians.
Listen- you can call yourself whatever you want. I am not in a position to judge your heart- nor do I desire to. God is the judge of that. The way you speak to others here and manner in which you post is condescending and does not in any way represent the Christ I serve.
Offensive, unecessary and rude. Why don't you see that?

reply from: 4given

ha. good one. ratshack's long winded fully annotated in bold personal attacks at every last pro lifer on this forum.
Oh ChristianLott how dare you slander churchmouse this way! She has never done any such thing!!! Her posts are full of nothing but love and tender affection for everyone!
edit: LOL
Nancy you forgot LMAO..
*edit for bold effect*

reply from: Steph

ha. good one. ratshack's long winded fully annotated in bold personal attacks at every last pro lifer on this forum.
Oh ChristianLott how dare you slander churchmouse this way! She has never done any such thing!!! Her posts are full of nothing but love and tender affection for everyone!
edit: LOL
Nancy you forgot LMAO..
*edit for bold effect*
Maybe churchmouse is trying to rely on laughter to reduce an oversize behind?
That's all I can come up with for why a christian would LMAO at all.
She should simply try fasting, after all its Lent now.
It's far more effective for buttocks reduction.

reply from: nancyu

ha. good one. ratshack's long winded fully annotated in bold personal attacks at every last pro lifer on this forum.
Oh ChristianLott how dare you slander churchmouse this way! She has never done any such thing!!! Her posts are full of nothing but love and tender affection for everyone!
edit: LOL
Nancy you forgot LMAO..
*edit for bold effect*
4given you are soooooo hateful! (LMAO)

reply from: nancyu

ha. good one. ratshack's long winded fully annotated in bold personal attacks at every last pro lifer on this forum.
Oh ChristianLott how dare you slander churchmouse this way! She has never done any such thing!!! Her posts are full of nothing but love and tender affection for everyone!
edit: LOL
Nancy you forgot LMAO..
*edit for bold effect*
Maybe churchmouse is trying to rely on laughter to reduce an oversize behind?
That's all I can come up with for why a christian would LMAO at all.
She should simply try fasting, after all its Lent now.
It's far more effective for buttocks reduction.
snicker...aww heck LOL

reply from: 4given

Funny.. I thought of that myself.. given the amount of ALO.. she must have nothing more than a supporting frame..

reply from: 4given

I know I have to work on that.. *head down in shame* I will go straight to my room and write a short essay on why I should not point out hypocrisy in regard to "Christians" that want to laugh their rumps off.. in an odd and condescending way towards other Christians with the same goal..
*edit^ There's my essay. Satisfied Momma Ace?*

reply from: ChristianLott2

The only good christians are the ones who defend liars and hypocrites.

reply from: Weenie

ha. good one. ratshack's long winded fully annotated in bold personal attacks at every last pro lifer on this forum.
Oh ChristianLott how dare you slander churchmouse this way! She has never done any such thing!!! Her posts are full of nothing but love and tender affection for everyone!
edit: LOL
Nancy you forgot LMAO..
*edit for bold effect*
Maybe churchmouse is trying to rely on laughter to reduce an oversize behind?
That's all I can come up with for why a christian would LMAO at all.
She should simply try fasting, after all its Lent now.
It's far more effective for buttocks reduction.
I figured if CM stops posting regularly that Chruchmouse would be the new target, and I was right.
I doubt she has the large backside you imagine (or hope she has). She's a dancer.
Let's try being kind to others for Lent.

reply from: Weenie

Joe = poster child for birth control.
LMAO
(and my butt is a normal size, thank you)

reply from: 4given

What? How?
Cool. I will follow your lead.

reply from: Weenie

Joe, could you do me the favor of explaining this?
You made a similar thread about me, calling me a "dumbass," and that's not news as far as I'm concerned. I've known that for a long time.
However, although I disagree with some of Churchmouse's theology, and though I disagree sometimes in the manner she presents her Christian faith, I have seen nothing about her that would lead me to believe she is false.
What is it that makes her a "false Christian"?

reply from: churchmouse

Slander? Joe hasn't been on since he started this baby. He probably is hiding out with Faithman.
Nancy, why don't you try to do what your gang won't? Give some examples. Then contrast them with your conduct, Faithmans, Yodas, Lotts etc.
Let me get this straight......I am a false Christian because I LOL and IMAO?
LOL
Laugh out loud is bad? Laugh my arse off is bad? Wow. So instead of using namecalling, abusive vulgar and threatening language like the hate gang here....you think I am the cruel one by using these?
LOL
Sorry I have a sense of humor.
Scanc, whore, etc etc. is good? Do you ever call them out on their Christian behavior? Have you ever once stood up for the abuse carole was getting?
I am a Christian thank you. And you can no more judge my heart than I can judge yours. In fact scripture says we cant even judge our own hearts. Only God can judge hearts. BUT.....we are allowed to judge actions and should do this.
So let me get this straight. You as a Christian condone Faithman, Lott, Nancy, Augustine, Yodas behavior and think they are godly and you think I am the false one? Again, LOL. They wont even address Christian scripture.......they RUN.
The manner in which I post? And how is that 4given? So I laugh, so I stand on scripture, post scripture? So I defend the God they mock? You find this offensive?
Well I do not know what God you serve.....but if you condone the hate that this group shows on a daily basis, then God help you. We do worship different Gods after all. Cause mine says stand up for the gospel and those who mock God. My God says love even your enemy.
What dont you see here 4given? You think the abuse Carole got was warrented?
I am shocked that this is all you guys could come up with. A laugh is bad. Swearing for you guys is ok, bad mouth, potty mouth, abusive language is ok...........I laugh and its horrible.
Wow. That is seriously all you have? I am a false Christian because I LOL and LMAO.
Hey weenie did you read this?
The authentic Christians don't hate. You hate Lott. You have hate in your heart cause it shows on this forum. What did Christ say about hating? Since you made this a semi religious thread........tell us what Christ said about hating....specifically "hating'. Open up your bible and show us what ya got. SITE JUST ONE SCRIPTURE WHERE CHRIST SAID TO HATE SOMEONE.
Weenie, I cant laugh anymore. These guys are offended.
Should I follow these Christians and use profanity like they do? Should I follow by abusing people who say they have repented their sin?
Should I repent weenie cause I laugh? LOL OOOps. Laugh
Would you like to wager that not one of them will address what Christ said about love? How much ya wanna bet?
And about my backside. Well if a size 7 is fat then call me fat. However they just might think I was a bit of a trollop if they saw a few of my ballroom outfits. LOL OOps laugh.
and weenie......you might explain what Lent is for those that have no idea.
Was I condescending? I apologize, I am not perfect.
I want to laugh at this because its hilarious......but if I do, I will be a false Christian weenie and I just guess I have to stop laughing. I will replace LOL with one of Faithmans frequently used words, scanc, whore, idot.......these guys look up to that. Isnt that sad?
We disagree and get along just fine don't we? One thing we have in common......we don't hate and we defend others who are being trampled on unfairly. And carole was crucified by these so called christians. Even if she was wrong in everything she said, they treated her ungodly and they know it. But they dont care......because if any group thinks their perfect its them.

reply from: carolemarie

They will not answer because they know they are wrong, but they are not willing to stop. You have to hate your sin to forsake it.....

reply from: 4given

You, as I, will stand solely accountable before a LIVING GOD. Are you somehow justified by your repeated condescending ramblings here in regard to other Christians? You don't know what another is going through or how fragile that walk may be. Kindness. Love, Mercy. Reflect the Savior that you serve. At least in word.

reply from: 4given

I don't know who "they" is.. I agree with the last part though.

reply from: churchmouse

Joe I am still waiting.

reply from: churchmouse

Joe did you forget about me? LOL

reply from: churchmouse

Come on Joe.....your posting on everyother thread but here......why not this one? You started it.
haha

reply from: 4given

Say what?! He hasn't been on anywhere that I can see.. much less every other thread as you state. I am certain he would answer if he were around though.

reply from: ChristianLott2

The authentic Christians don't hate. You hate Lott. You have hate in your heart cause it shows on this forum. What did Christ say about hating? Since you made this a semi religious thread........tell us what Christ said about hating....specifically "hating'. Open up your bible and show us what ya got. SITE JUST ONE SCRIPTURE WHERE CHRIST SAID TO HATE SOMEONE.
Killer defends my hate. Thanks.

reply from: yoda

They are big on "hate".......

reply from: nancyu

I know I have to work on that.. *head down in shame* I will go straight to my room and write a short essay on why I should not point out hypocrisy in regard to "Christians" that want to laugh their rumps off.. in an odd and condescending way towards other Christians with the same goal..
*edit^ There's my essay. Satisfied Momma Ace?*
A+ Sista ACE!

reply from: churchmouse

It is sad that both of you will not address anything to do with your own hatred shown on this board. ARe you above the Word?

reply from: 4given

To whom are you addressing? Kindly be specific..

reply from: 4given

I know I have to work on that.. *head down in shame* I will go straight to my room and write a short essay on why I should not point out hypocrisy in regard to "Christians" that want to laugh their rumps off.. in an odd and condescending way towards other Christians with the same goal..
*edit^ There's my essay. Satisfied Momma Ace?*
A+ Sista ACE!
Phew! I don't have much time for any of this.. much less extra credit! Better butter you up before the next challenge, eh?

reply from: churchmouse

4given..naw joe has been posting and did on the 7th. He is a big bag of hot air.

reply from: churchmouse

The question you asked. I was addressing yoda and carole specifically. But while I am thinkin on it.......add Lott to the mix.

reply from: joe

You fail to answer questions every time and then accuse me of hot air?
You condemned a man who did not violate the Laws of God to hell, which is not Christian. You judged eternal condemnation and I am quite certain you are no Christ.
Now at least be consistent and answer this simple question:
Is it against God's Law to defend innocent human life?

reply from: joe

We are talking about the Laws of God here not man made laws. Your word game failed.

reply from: joe

You are suggesting that human life belongs to Caesar? Who created human life, Caesar or God?

reply from: joe

You fail to answer questions every time and then accuse me of hot air?
You condemned a man who did not violate the Laws of God to hell, which is not Christian. You judged eternal condemnation and I am quite certain you are no Christ.
Now at least be consistent and answer this simple question:
Is it against God's Law to defend innocent human life?
Even with concernedparents deliberate distraction, the question remains. Will you answer it or should you go ask your preacher what to think?

reply from: joe

We are made in the image of God...learn what that means first.
I cannot believe you are willing to engage this subject again after showing your own inability to reason and be honest.

reply from: nancyu

You fail to answer questions every time and then accuse me of hot air?
You condemned a man who did not violate the Laws of God to hell, which is not Christian. You judged eternal condemnation and I am quite certain you are no Christ.
Now at least be consistent and answer this simple question:
Is it against God's Law to defend innocent human life?
Answer the question churchmouse. Stop letting concernedparent fight your battles for you. LOL

reply from: Faramir

You fail to answer questions every time and then accuse me of hot air?
You condemned a man who did not violate the Laws of God to hell, which is not Christian. You judged eternal condemnation and I am quite certain you are no Christ.
Now at least be consistent and answer this simple question:
Is it against God's Law to defend innocent human life?
Answer the question churchmouse. Stop letting concernedparent fight your battles for you. LOL
Here's a question for you, nancyu.
Since you approve of the murder of abortion doctors, as if that is a legitimat way to defend innocent life, then why are you letting others do your dirty work?
And don't use the excuse that abortion is illegal in YOUR town, please. Don't be so selfish. You could travel to other towns and help "defend innocent life."

reply from: nancyu

I don't approve of the murder of abortion doctors.

reply from: Faramir

I don't approve of the murder of abortion doctors.
That's what you're buying into in this argument.
Joe's question is "cleverly" loaded. He has set up a false premise and is trying to set a trap for Churchmouse.
His premise is that murdering abortion doctors is a legitimate defence of the innocent.
I'm happy that you don't approve of that, btw.

reply from: nancyu

I don't approve of the murder of abortion doctors.
That's what you're buying into in this argument.
Joe's question is "cleverly" loaded. He has set up a false premise and is trying to set a trap for Churchmouse.
His premise is that murdering abortion doctors is a legitimate defence of the innocent.
I'm happy that you don't approve of that, btw.
I know joe better than you think you do, and his question is not loaded at all. And that is not his premise at all. You (with churchmouse and cp) are the ones loading your questions and your comments.
Please, shut up, read, and understand what you've read before you comment again.

reply from: Faramir

He's already defended the guy who killed the abortion doctor and a couple of bystanders. It's obvious where he is going with this.

reply from: nancyu

I know I have to work on that.. *head down in shame* I will go straight to my room and write a short essay on why I should not point out hypocrisy in regard to "Christians" that want to laugh their rumps off.. in an odd and condescending way towards other Christians with the same goal..
*edit^ There's my essay. Satisfied Momma Ace?*
A+ Sista ACE!
Phew! I don't have much time for any of this.. much less extra credit! Better butter you up before the next challenge, eh?
Is that my tea and chocolate!

reply from: nancyu

weenie (we know that's your real name) How's life in your town where slaughtering babies is legal? And why don't you do anything to stop it?

reply from: churchmouse

Bolonga....you start a thread about me, accusing me of things...then you run. PLEASE. LOL
Who did I condemn? I quote scriptures that state exactly what happens to people if they reject Christ. You hate me for simply quoting what God says in scripture. Obviously you have no clue what Christ is all about.
Oh I would be happy to answer this one. It is not against the law to defend the innocent and that is why I work in this field. It is why I share my testimony with people. I killed my unborn child and I tell people this, I dont run from the truth. But I also can share what God has done for me. I give Him glory for everything. Everything good that happens is because of Him, not anything I did. God gives life and He should take it when He is ready. I defend life but I do it in a godly way.
It however comes second to obeying and putting God first in my life. And there is a right way to do this. We first must always honor God in EVERYTHING WE DO. We are to obey His commandments, all of them, even if we dont understand why. And killing people is not the answer. Calling them names and putting them down is not the right way. Why dont you pick up your Bible and read about this yourself.
Other than calling people vipers........did Christ call people names? Did he dehumanize people? What did he say to the adultrerous woman? He said.......go and sin no more.Did he act towards her like you and your hate group treat carole? Look in the mirror for crying out loud.
We should stand on scripture while we stand up for the unborn in the womb. This way we glorify Him, this way we set a good example.
I agree with what you said here Concerned " I don't remember seeing anything in the Bible that should make a Christian think twice before "defending innocent life," but I think how you intended to accomplish that would matter. Sidewalk counselling? No problem. Legislation? Once more, no" problem....Shooting three law abiding citizens because one is going to commit a grievous sin? Hmmm. Like I said, that's a whole different ball game."
God would not want us killing people. This is ungodly and sin. Hill might have been passionate, might have had good intentions but he was 100% wrong in how he did it. He killed two people....the abortionist, his body guard and he even injured the abortionists wife.
Would God be pleased with Hills actions? Scriptures say no.
Wow was it Christian to laugh nanc? LOL
I answered the question, its Joe that runs. You just wont ever question those in your hate group.
I answer everything.
Yea? I dont buy it, not for one minue. You faithman, Lott, Yoda all condone violence IMO. Of course you would be idiots for admitting it.....but the writing is on the wall and clear.
Personally I believe they all believe this Faramir. You look at the tone of the hate on here in every post.......and they think what Hill did was justified.
Violence against anyone is not the godly answer and what Hill did was sin and he will have to answer for it. Justice will be served because God is just. According to our laws, that abortionist did not do anything wrong. According to God he did....but then should we kill all people in adulterous relationships? Should we kill all those sinning against God?
Those of us that value life say abortion is wrong that to take a life to solve a problem is wrong. So why is taking a life to solve a problem right especially in Gods eyes?
nancy if anyone can hold his own on here its Concerned so I really think its you that should ferme la bouche.
And I am curious nancy what you do to defend the unborn. I mean other than get on here and spew hatred.....what do you do?

reply from: nancyu

Wow was it Christian to laugh nanc? LOL
I answered the question, its Joe that runs. You just wont ever question those in your hate group.
I answer everything.
LIAR!!!
Yea? I dont buy it, not for one minue. You faithman, Lott, Yoda all condone violence IMO. Of course you would be idiots for admitting it.....but the writing is on the wall and clear.
So you've decided that I condone anti abortion violence! How about backing up your slander with some evidence.
Personally I believe they all believe this Faramir. You look at the tone of the hate on here in every post.......and they think what Hill did was justified.
So you've decided that he condones abortion violence. How about backing up your slander with some evidence
Violence against anyone is not the godly answer and what Hill did was sin and he will have to answer for it. Justice will be served because God is just. According to our laws, that abortionist did not do anything wrong. According to God he did....but then should we kill all people in adulterous relationships? Should we kill all those sinning against God?
Those of us that value life say abortion is wrong that to take a life to solve a problem is wrong. So why is taking a life to solve a problem right especially in Gods eyes?
nancy if anyone can hold his own on here its Concerned so I really think its you that should ferme la bouche.
And I am curious nancy what you do to defend the unborn. I mean other than get on here and spew hatred.....what do you do?
I do everything I can. What do you do besides spew hatred, lies and slander! ?
You do nothing but spread lies and slander. Joe is right. You are a false Christian!

reply from: nancyu

You know churchmouse, I think spinwiddy and BM are looking for help slinging mud, but I'm willing to bet that you are too dishonest and hateful even for them!

reply from: nancyu

In fact joe, you are being too kind.

reply from: BossMomma

Thats I-fri ggin-ronic right there considering you don't say a word to fakeman and christiansnott for their mudslinging and hate, rather selective are you not? I guess those two can be as hateful as they like because their your buddies, says something about your integrity doesn't it?

reply from: joe

According to your interpretation, to defend innocent human life is not against God's Law.
You say "Godly way" such as a peaceful protest, you are either a pacifist or a hypocrite.
Which one is it?
A. Would you defend yourself or your family members or maybe a child on the street with force against an aggressor? Or would you peacefully protest?
B. Would you call the police who could force to defend the innocent from a criminal? Or would you peacefully protest?
Now if you answer to peacefully protest to the above and claim to be a total pacifist I can understand your argument but if you would use force or call someone who could use force for either of the above scenario's, explain your hypocrisy. We are talking about God's Law so do not bring in any of concernedparents foolish word games. Be sincere or don't waste nobodies time.

reply from: joe

Excuse me? Calling unrepentant sinners, such as some pro-choice advocates here, vipers is "hate"? If that is the case, now you have condemned our Christ, as he absolutely called out unrepentant sinners with harsh words. Is he full of hate?
The adulteress woman showed repentance and made no excuses for her sin unlike some pro-choice advocates here.

reply from: joe

I suggest you read the posts instead of speculating. I already told you we should be law-abiding for the sake of peace but your moral condemnation against Paul Hill is unfounded. And if you claim to be a Christian you should stop condemning people who did not violate his Law.

reply from: Faramir

I suggest you read the posts instead of speculating. I already told you we should be law-abiding for the sake of peace but your moral condemnation against Paul Hill is unfounded. And if you claim to be a Christian you should stop condemning people who did not violate his Law.
Didn't this fellow kill more people than just the abortion doctor?

reply from: faithman

http://www.christianlifeandliberty.net/2009-02-16-RTLActofSC-intro-corr.doc

reply from: churchmouse

Listen nancy.....you make fun of what CArole does...... At least she does something. You share nothing of what you actually do.
I call people to the table that pretend they are Christian and act the opposite, like your group nancy. You namecall and you have shown carole hatred that is inexcusable.
Joe ran because he coudnt come up with anything. In fact you couldnt either. You are the ones that show hatred.
Your fangs are showing nancy. The way you all treated carole was unchristian and you know it. But you dont care. Like Boss said, you challenge no one else in your hate group. You are selective.
Joe what is the matter with you? Its not that hard not to get.
Of course I would. That is within our laws, to self protect outselves. But what that abortionist was doing WAS NOTHING ILLEGAL. Why cant you see this?
Hill killed a person who might have been not morally correct but nevertheless was following our laws. Right here in this statement shows that you are for violence. And nancy and the group buy into this as well. They might deny it but IMO they are lying. They are for violence. Just the way they treated carole shows the hatred they have for anyone that does not kiss their fannies.
If I saw anyone being hurt or threatenedI would take action. I would physically try to help them after I called the police. There is nothing in our laws that say we cant protect ourselves.
Joe, what Hill did was to kill people who were breaking no laws. If you condone this for abortion, what else do you condone violence for?
You are one scary person. I picket and I march peacefully. And I follow and abide by our laws. Do I think that abortionists should be in jail, yes. Do I think they are immoral hateful monsters, yes. But i do what God wants me to do.
joe joe joe.......you dont even know scripture. Jesus called a few people vipers......I NEVER DID.
List the words Christ used against people. Other than Christ using the term "VIPERS".........DID HE USE SCANC LIKE FAITHMAN DOES? Nancy, Lott, you, Faithman use aweful names to take people down. Christ did not do this.
How do you know this? It never tells what happens after she leaves. Jesus told them to let her go. But not much is known about her after she left.
1 John 1:8 tells us that if we say we are without sin, we are deceiving ourselves.

Carole was truthful about her sin, I was at well. We both have said what we did was wrong. We both have shared that we have asked and recieved forgiveness. That is not enough for your group. That is not enough and it never will be. You want vengeance. You want us to pay and you are lying if you say anything different.
You hate anyone that disagrees with you and you put them down in an ungodly way.
Jesus said, "Then neither do I condemn you. Go and leave your life of sin."
You would say lovingly like Christ did......."neither do I condemn."
You are all about condemning and it shows.
You don't believe this....no way. Your questions to me show something different Joe. God condemns what Hill did, I dont have to do anything. What he did was wrong. You even said so yourself didnt you?
You do not glorify God by killing......people like Hill did. And yes FAramir Hill not only killed the abortionist but his body guard and he also injured the abortionists wife. Joe and group of course do not condemn this. They see this as icing on the cake.

reply from: joe

Of course I would. That is within our laws, to self protect outselves. But what that abortionist was doing WAS NOTHING ILLEGAL. Why cant you see this?
You would because the laws of man told you that it is okay.
So if it was illegal to save yourself or your family members your answer would change? If it was ILLEGAL (according to man) you would go to Hell using self-defense or defending innocent human beings.
I didn't know Gods Law is dependent upon the laws of man?

reply from: joe

I also abide by our laws but the difference is that my heart, mind and soul belongs to God and his commandments not to the Supreme Courts decisions.
Scary? How so? You mean like those Christians who questioned the validity of killing the Jews? Like those Christians that thought the slaves should be free? If that is the case...so be it.

reply from: nancyu

Thats I-fri ggin-ronic right there considering you don't say a word to fakeman and christiansnott for their mudslinging and hate, rather selective are you not? I guess those two can be as hateful as they like because their your buddies, says something about your integrity doesn't it?
Then again, churchmouse, I could have misjudged them.
You are THE most hate spewing, venomous, lying, unChristian, bullying, terrorizing, stalking, lying, slithering, slimey, putrid excuse for a human being I have ever run across.
And I'm sure they will welcome you. I thank God you are not on our side.

reply from: Faramir

Thats I-fri ggin-ronic right there considering you don't say a word to fakeman and christiansnott for their mudslinging and hate, rather selective are you not? I guess those two can be as hateful as they like because their your buddies, says something about your integrity doesn't it?
Then again, churchmouse, I could have misjudged them.
You are THE most hate spewing, venomous, lying, unChristian, bullying, terrorizing, stalking, lying, slithering, slimey, putrid excuse for a human being I have ever run across.
And I'm sure they will welcome you. I thank God you are not on our side.
Wow, I thought you were off-the-wall last year.
You've made quite a bit of "progress" since then.

reply from: joe

I can assure you this is not about vengeance. I do not understand how you get to that conclusion. It is and always was about the unborn and their enemies (which there are many).
Human life is Gods creation and we must act like it. Yes, we show love to the enemy but not at the cost of innocent lives and if speaking harshly to those who are unrepentant killers makes the them think for one second that we might be right...that the unborn children just might be humans worthy of life, then it is worth it.
Maybe one day you will realize that it always was love for the "least of these" that drives our passion to protect them and if the Christians stood up for them, this injustice would end.

reply from: joe

You are just not able to understand and I have to accept that fact and leave it at that.

reply from: joe

weenie (we know that's your real name) How's life in your town where slaughtering babies is legal? And why don't you do anything to stop it?

reply from: BossMomma

Thats I-fri ggin-ronic right there considering you don't say a word to fakeman and christiansnott for their mudslinging and hate, rather selective are you not? I guess those two can be as hateful as they like because their your buddies, says something about your integrity doesn't it?
Then again, churchmouse, I could have misjudged them.
You are THE most hate spewing, venomous, lying, unChristian, bullying, terrorizing, stalking, lying, slithering, slimey, putrid excuse for a human being I have ever run across.
And I'm sure they will welcome you. I thank God you are not on our side.
I'm not churchmouse for one thing, second I'm more pro-life than you could ever hope to be. I've stated over and again what I do to help the unborn, I've never seen any of your exploits, except for spewing hateful bullshyte on this forum.

reply from: joe

Seriously...what the hell is your problem. Attack the pro-abortion killers not the defenders of life like you do over and over again.
Back off.

reply from: joe

Interesting point, do you have the guts to face it? Would you condemn someone morally who would stop them by lethal force if it was necessary and those aggressors were legally protected?
I would not condemn a man to hell who would use lethal force to stop them. That is the basis of this entire thread.

reply from: BossMomma

Seriously...what the hell is your problem. Attack the pro-abortion killers not the defenders of life like you do over and over again.
Back off.
My problem is that these misogynistic, uneducated completely self involved bullshyte artists posing as pro-lifers are hurting the cause.

reply from: 4given

I was thinking something more on the green line- as in beans

reply from: joe

Afraid? You are a secular humanist, so I do understand your hypocrisy but as Christians we are held under the Laws of God and therefore judged according to His standards. It is those Christians who claim to follow God and then turn around and violate a commandment not to condemn by condemning a man with no moral violation.
I understand the legality issue and agree we should follow laws but this is beyond the scope of legal issues, this is a theological discussion involving Christian law and morality. It is against Christian standards to condemn a morally innocent man. Simple.
We had endless debates and you have proven to be dishonest in your answers, in addition it is not my desire to convert anyone to any line of thinking.

reply from: 4given

I am a tad confused.. if the means necessary to stop this violent and disturbing behavior meant death- would the passerby or other be wrong in their actions if it meant harm or death to the perpetrator?

reply from: joe

Clarify your question. Is it illegal to protect her? Would lethal force be necessary because some members are carrying lethal weapons to be used against any defender?

reply from: joe

You know I never said that what Paul Hill did was the right thing.

reply from: 4given

Yes I am.. Why I asked..
Not exactly.. especially with the example you chose.

reply from: joe

If rape we legal it would be futile to intervene but not immoral.

reply from: joe

If rape we legal it would be futile to intervene but not immoral.
That's not what I asked, is it?
That is my answer and you know what it means. Now, do you have the guts to answer your own question?

reply from: joe

You are suggesting Paul Hill was morally wrong because he could have wrestled Britton to the ground and tied him up? You cannot possibly believe that would prevent the murder of those children scheduled to die that day at that site? That certainly is a stretch.
He would have either been shot or jailed within fifteen minutes.

reply from: joe

A. I would intervene if I could stop the rape.
B. If the rapists were protected by lethal weapons, it would be futile but not immoral to intervene.
Already answered.

reply from: joe

Even though the preemptive strike would be the only way for you to stop it? I think someone here is not truly being honest with themselves.
It is not my intention to debate this over and over again.
My point is simple and I will leave it at this: Christians should not condemn someone to Hell without being absolutely sure God will and even then it is reserved for God alone.

reply from: joe

I only get "angry" when Christians condemn morally innocent individuals. A little biased? Sure, like any other human being.

reply from: joe

Ummm, how about telling other Christians they are "false Christians?" Is that acceptable? Had CM simply called Hill a "false Christian," that would have been OK in your view? U2EZ, boy....
As long as CM could justify her accusation instead of saying he broke human law therefore he goes to hell. I am sure her intentions are good, either way this "debate" ended a long time ago.

reply from: churchmouse

Get to the point joe. What are you really trying to say? Just admit it. You condone violence even if it is against the laws of our country. And although I believe abortion is wrong that it should be punished by our laws, I do not believe we can go around shooting people down in our streets. I have enough faith in God that HE WILL JUDGE ACCORDINGLY. There is only one sin that keeps one from heaven Joe and that is not accepting the free gift of salvation from Christ.
But you want to break them right? You condone what Hill did because you believe its morally wrong. I also think what he did was morally wrong, but I do not believe he had the right to kill. And I believe Christ will judge him for his actions.
How do you address the innocent man, the abortionists body guard that was killed? How about the abortionists wife who was injured? Do you also think these acts of violence are justified?
You just plainly believe in violence no matter what Joe we can tell that by your posts.
And I love you nancy like God commands me to do. I feel sorry for you I really do, you are in my prayers.
And for your information I do not want to be on your side. Your side believes in violence and calling names, just like you did to me here, and just like you did to carole over the past year. You have hate and unforgiveness in your heart which is sad because when this happens, it separates you from God. Try just once to see Gods side nancy.
Joe says this is not about vengeance. But your groups posts prove this simply is not true. God has forgiven and forgotten our abortions, but this is something you can't do.
And maybe one day you will put all your faith in the one that bears the name, Christ. I have faith that what justice is not gotten on earth God will handle in heaven. You want revenge now and you want it done YOUR WAY. I got news for ya honey, its not about you, its about Christ.
I do believe that Christians have failed in this war against abortion. But the answer is not more violence. I do not believe we can run around like Hill and kill people, possibly injuring innocent people in the process.
And concerned you have awesome points and aguements against Joes position. He will never address them. You certainlly are NOT a hypocrite I will say that. You always have well thought our responses and questions.
This is what he wont address.......
I have been asking them all this question for months. Lets see if any of them answer.
Now he backs down, because you finally got him cornered.
This is his answer...........
His statement here makes no sense....."
BEcause no Christian can condemn anyone, God does that. We can judge actions. And Hills actions were ungodly. He killed two people and injured one.
What about that joe?

reply from: Faramir

She has a horrible cruel streak in her. I hope it's just an act for this forum. If she's like that in real life, it would be a horror to live under the same roof.
Pray for her family too.

reply from: yoda

For a minute there, I thought you were addressing that to another prolifer.

reply from: yoda

You, on the other hand, are so kind, so complimentary, so generous with your praise and warm words...... right? I'm confused, which religion did you say you followed?

reply from: joe

Do you really believe this? Do you not see the hypocrisy concernedparent just demonstrated by his own question. It is your side that fears the truth and I believe it is better for your emotional well being to stay there.

reply from: joe

Concernedoparent would break the law to intervene in the rape even if his intervention was illegal. Do you agree churchmouse? Is that moral?

reply from: faithman

Concernedoparent would break the law to intervene in the rape even if his intervention was illegal. Do you agree churchmouse? Is that moral?
Hill acted in an abortion clinic parking lot, with a clinic full waiting on the abortionist. Womb children were in the vicinity, and Britton fully intended to kill them. But he never killed another child. I guess all the faux lifers would have rather this man to have been alive killing children the last 16 years. So they would rather protect the abortionist, than actually doing something to stop them. It has never been condemned to use lethal force to protect the innocent from evil aggression.....that is until so called pro-life carried more about their precious image than stopping the slaughter...

reply from: yoda

Some might even be waiting for him with a gallon of tea and a bag of chocolates....

reply from: joe

She wants to continue her hypocrisy...her call.

reply from: joe

You said you would intervene to stop the legal rape.
Now clarify, would you intervene if the rapists was protected by bodyguards and law enforcement who would be legally permitted to use lethal force to stop you? And assuming they are well-trained would easily defeat your attempt and most likely take your life?

reply from: joe

Your intervention is morally justified because it is witnessed? Should I guess that if the rape were to occur legally in a building specifically made to rape, that would change your moral justification even though you know for a fact the time and place of the rape victim?

reply from: yoda

Kinda reminds me of the guy in the movie who gathered all his poker winnings together, and said "I'm truly shocked to learn that there is illegal gambling going on in this establishment".
I guess if you turn your head, you don't have any obligation.... eh?

reply from: BossMomma

Kinda reminds me of the guy in the movie who gathered all his poker winnings together, and said "I'm truly shocked to learn that there is illegal gambling going on in this establishment".
I guess if you turn your head, you don't have any obligation.... eh?
I'm sure somewhere in this great country there is an abortion going on, why are you doing nothing to save that baby while it's being suctioned out of it's mothers womb.

reply from: joe

Kinda reminds me of the guy in the movie who gathered all his poker winnings together, and said "I'm truly shocked to learn that there is illegal gambling going on in this establishment".
I guess if you turn your head, you don't have any obligation.... eh?
I'm sure somewhere in this great country there is an abortion going on, why are you doing nothing to save that baby while it's being suctioned out of it's mothers womb.
Good question. I would love to hear concernedparent answer this since he said he would intervene to stop an abortion. Maybe he does not believe abortions happen because he does not witness it?
Very interesting, morality based only on visual confirmation.

reply from: joe

But wait churchmouse, you already said he is going to hell.

reply from: BossMomma

Kinda reminds me of the guy in the movie who gathered all his poker winnings together, and said "I'm truly shocked to learn that there is illegal gambling going on in this establishment".
I guess if you turn your head, you don't have any obligation.... eh?
I'm sure somewhere in this great country there is an abortion going on, why are you doing nothing to save that baby while it's being suctioned out of it's mothers womb.
Good question. I would love to hear concernedparent answer this since he said he would intervene to stop an abortion. Maybe he does not believe abortions happen because he does not witness it?
Very interesting, morality based only on visual confirmation.
No, I'm asking YOU why YOU are letting that baby die. Thou hypocrite, take the beam from thy eye that ye may see clearly to take the speck from thy brothers eye. Matthew 7:5

reply from: Faramir

Concernedoparent would break the law to intervene in the rape even if his intervention was illegal. Do you agree churchmouse? Is that moral?
Hill acted in an abortion clinic parking lot, with a clinic full waiting on the abortionist. Womb children were in the vicinity, and Britton fully intended to kill them. But he never killed another child. I guess all the faux lifers would have rather this man to have been alive killing children the last 16 years. So they would rather protect the abortionist, than actually doing something to stop them. It has never been condemned to use lethal force to protect the innocent from evil aggression.....that is until so called pro-life carried more about their precious image than stopping the slaughter...
If what he did is right and if what he did is effective, and if you approve of it, then why are you behaving like a faux lifer and just talking about it?
Aren't you a coward and a hypocrite if you don't follow in the murderer's footsteps?
This doctor might have converted like Dr. Nathason did, and might have become a force for good. At any rate, it did not make abortion illegal, and it did not stop customers from going to someone else.

reply from: BossMomma

Concernedoparent would break the law to intervene in the rape even if his intervention was illegal. Do you agree churchmouse? Is that moral?
Hill acted in an abortion clinic parking lot, with a clinic full waiting on the abortionist. Womb children were in the vicinity, and Britton fully intended to kill them. But he never killed another child. I guess all the faux lifers would have rather this man to have been alive killing children the last 16 years. So they would rather protect the abortionist, than actually doing something to stop them. It has never been condemned to use lethal force to protect the innocent from evil aggression.....that is until so called pro-life carried more about their precious image than stopping the slaughter...
If what he did is right and if what he did is effective, and if you approve of it, then why are you behaving like a faux lifer and just talking about it?
Aren't you a coward and a hypocrite if you don't follow in the murderer's footsteps?
This doctor might have converted like Dr. Nathason did, and might have become a force for good. At any rate, it did not make abortion illegal, and it did not stop customers from going to someone else.
Suppose he'd have shot a pregnant woman by mistake? Then he'd be the abortionist, I wonder if fakeman would put a hit out on him?

reply from: faithman

Concernedoparent would break the law to intervene in the rape even if his intervention was illegal. Do you agree churchmouse? Is that moral?
Hill acted in an abortion clinic parking lot, with a clinic full waiting on the abortionist. Womb children were in the vicinity, and Britton fully intended to kill them. But he never killed another child. I guess all the faux lifers would have rather this man to have been alive killing children the last 16 years. So they would rather protect the abortionist, than actually doing something to stop them. It has never been condemned to use lethal force to protect the innocent from evil aggression.....that is until so called pro-life carried more about their precious image than stopping the slaughter...
If what he did is right and if what he did is effective, and if you approve of it, then why are you behaving like a faux lifer and just talking about it?
Aren't you a coward and a hypocrite if you don't follow in the murderer's footsteps?
This doctor might have converted like Dr. Nathason did, and might have become a force for good. At any rate, it did not make abortion illegal, and it did not stop customers from going to someone else.
Very true. I am not quite there yet. But if more would follow hill, there would be less clinics to go to now would there? Besides, I don't care to commit suicide by government just yet. If one is going to take up arms, they must do so by being way under the raidar screen. I passed that line a long time ago. But here is the flaw in your thought. Many support our military without ever taking up arms themselves. Does that make them a hypocrit? I have said many times that justified defence is not very practicle. But I will not condemn them either. It has always been justified to protect the innocent from evil aggression, even if the aggressors were the government. To say otherwise is to aggree with planned parenthood that the womb child is not worthy of the same protection as the born child. You simply can not have it both ways. It is this inconsistant double speak from so called main stream prolife that has done more to keep abortion on demand legal for over three decades, than anything else.

reply from: joe

Hey idiot. Concernedparent said he would intervene to stop an abortion and a legal rape.
Learn to understand before you judge.

reply from: joe

So while waiting for one conversion you will sacrifice how many innocent human beings?

reply from: joe

While we are at it, lets suppose that you were armed and able to stop someone from shooting the pregnant woman. Would you?
But that does not apply towards the abortionists, does it now hypocrite.

reply from: joe

What a bunch of lies. Your side denies the humanity of the unborn with your two-faced answers and statements. We are not hypocrites and if you had any sense of reasoning you would understand but I probably am asking to much.
It is futile to intervene, the abortionists are protected by law and lethal weapons. We understand we must change the laws but at the same time understand it is not morally wrong to defend innocent human life. You on the other hand, lie through you teeth, deny the humanity of the unborn in the process make us all look like a bunch of liars.
Your two faced stance is the reason we lost, our pro-life movement is a farce when we cannot even act like the unborn are really human beings being killed.
Nobody here advocates violence except you, you advocate a lie that will cost the unborn their lives for many years to come. You advocate a lie that does more damage than the pro-abortion movement can ever dream to accomplish. The blood of the innocent will stain your hands, not ours.

reply from: BossMomma

Hey idiot. Concernedparent said he would intervene to stop an abortion and a legal rape.
Learn to understand before you judge.
Ah so you'd sit on your ass and do nothing, thanks for clearing that up.

reply from: BossMomma

While we are at it, lets suppose that you were armed and able to stop someone from shooting the pregnant woman. Would you?
But that does not apply towards the abortionists, does it now hypocrite.
If I were a law enforcement officer with full authority to enforce the law, had seen the armed assailent taking aim I would draw my side arm, give orders to drop the weapon and assume a prone position on the ground. If my orders were ignored and the armed assailent failed to assume said position I would be justified under the law for using deadly force. As it stands I'm not law enforcement, so I'd probably just throw faithman in front of the shooter that way he can actually claim to have saved a baby.

reply from: joe

Just like you but I would not lie in the process and condemn Christians to hell.

reply from: BossMomma

Just like you but I would not lie in the process and condemn Christians to hell.
Heh, no doofus, I actually do for unborn and pregnant women. While I'm sitting here typing my two babies are asleep, my son is playing a video game and eating lunch and, I'm babysitting two infants for free so their mothers can work part time jobs to support their babies. Little Joshua now six months old is bouncing on my lap while watching Barney and, Little Angie is 8 months old and having a blast in the bouncy swing. How is this relevent? Both children were bound for the abortion clinic before I stepped in.

reply from: joe

To save even one unborn child is reason for praise.
Just as your efforts should be appreciated, so should all pro-life efforts. It is time to stop condemning pro-lifers who violate no Law of God and sacrifice so much to save the unborn. That was the purpose of this thread, to defend those who are wrongly condemned.

reply from: BossMomma

To save even one unborn child is reason for praise.
Just as your efforts should be appreciated, so should all pro-life efforts. It is time to stop condemning pro-lifers who violate no Law of God and sacrifice so much to save the unborn. That was the purpose of this thread, to defend those who are wrongly condemned.
To shoot an abortion provider violates Gods law as well as Mans law, Thou shalt not kill! Sound familiar?

reply from: faithman

To save even one unborn child is reason for praise.
Just as your efforts should be appreciated, so should all pro-life efforts. It is time to stop condemning pro-lifers who violate no Law of God and sacrifice so much to save the unborn. That was the purpose of this thread, to defend those who are wrongly condemned.
To shoot an abortion provider violates Gods law as well as Mans law, Thou shalt not kill! Sound familiar?
Actually The original languages says not to murder, which is the shedding of innocent blood. It is the abortionist who is the murderer, not those who use force to stop him.

reply from: joe

Wouldn't you be violating God's Law in your second response? Yeah hypocrites, real consistent. Lie and lie again.

reply from: joe

To save even one unborn child is reason for praise.
Just as your efforts should be appreciated, so should all pro-life efforts. It is time to stop condemning pro-lifers who violate no Law of God and sacrifice so much to save the unborn. That was the purpose of this thread, to defend those who are wrongly condemned.
To shoot an abortion provider violates Gods law as well as Mans law, Thou shalt not kill! Sound familiar?
Actually The original languages says not to murder, which is the shedding of innocent blood. It is the abortionist who is the murderer, not those who use force to stop him.

reply from: BossMomma

Wouldn't you be violating God's Law in your second response? Yeah hypocrites, real consistent. Lie and lie again.
No, because it would be legal with mans law and the bible tells us to adhere to the law of the land.

reply from: joe

Wouldn't you be violating God's Law in your second response? Yeah hypocrites, real consistent. Lie and lie again.
No, because it would be legal with mans law and the bible tells us to adhere to the law of the land.
Thou shalt not kill is not followed by, depending on mans law. You can't have it both ways.
Nice to know you supported the Nazi's Legal extermination of innocent human lives. Over and over you stand as hypocrites.

reply from: faithman

Wouldn't you be violating God's Law in your second response? Yeah hypocrites, real consistent. Lie and lie again.
No, because it would be legal with mans law and the bible tells us to adhere to the law of the land.
Then all of us should rise up and burn clinics. When this land was founded, those who started it said that we not only have the right, but the duty to rebel against a government that has become a despot. WE THE PEOPLE are the government. And we the people need to start taking steps to actually stop the slaughter.

reply from: yoda

Aren't you urging people to break the law? And isn't that illegal?

reply from: churchmouse

Yes, for once you are right. Faramir is kind and generous.
He did nothing of the sort. He is right on and he nailed ya. Fear the truth, please. You have made it crystal clear that you are for violence. Your entire group is.....but they are smarter than you are and sit back and plead the 5th.
This right here shows that you are for violence. You think what Hill did was right even though it was illegal.
And for the record I think rape, abortion are immoral actions.
Hill did not kill someone in action, he was simply walking into the clinic. And he also killed an innocent man and injured the abortionists wife.
That for you my dear is like icing on the cake isnt it.
What do you think about Hills actions towards them?
Oh honey......you have proven nothing. What am I a hypocrite over? You say its my call?
Ok lets get back to the real topic of the forum. You have proved nothing but your trying to change the subject so you don't have to address it.
Bossmomma you asked a darn good question.
I am not condoning violence or trying to instigate it but this is a legitamate question to ask someone who thinks an act of violence is the right thing to do.
Joe and hate group gotta question for ya........Why aren't you going into clinics and killing people who are in the actual act of killing unborns?
Don't answer a question with a question, try answering one for a change.
WHY DONT THE PEOPLE ON HERE THAT CONDONE VIOLENCE, THE KIND HILL DID.......follow suit? You make fun of those of us that do not defend Hills actions....you say we are not passionate, that we dont care.....so answer it.
If you condone what Hill did and would even think of following suit, you ought to be locked up.
No I did not. I said there is one sin that keeps one from heaven Joe, unbelief in Christ. I said Hill would be judged by God and what He promises will happen in the scriptures. Find where I said......Hill is going to hell. PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
Why must you always bash Christians? I mean what happened to you in your life that made you hate us? And where is that going on around the world?
Yes and he killed an innocent man and injured a woman. You think this was justice served?
When does your Army of God meet Faithman?
You could give a rats arse if anyone else was hurt. Your heart is so hardened its unbelievable. God help the people that come in your path. I heard you in an interview once and you tried to come off so sweet. You are a deciever thats for sure. But God only knows what you would do when backs are turned.
LMAO

Nice try Yoda. I knew one of you would say something like this..........We are not condoning violence or encouraging ANYONE TO DO WHAT YOU THINK IS OK. We OPPOSE VIOLENCE. You just have no guts to admit it. No guts at all. You know what Joe is saying yet you say nothing to him. Hypocritical isn't it?
Violence is wrong and what Hill did was wrong. Why cant your group comprehend that? You think Hill did a good thing......yet you wont answer why others shouldn't follow in his footsteps for justice.
And your answer is???????????

reply from: joe

Its official, you are an idiot. Now go take your pills.

reply from: joe

This right here shows that you are for violence. You think what Hill did was right even though it was illegal.
And for the record I think rape, abortion are immoral actions.
Do you have problems reading? How was your answer even close to the question posed?
You are clearly delusion and probably best left in that state of mind.

reply from: joe

If you could only comprehend your own posts.

reply from: joe

No I did not. I said there is one sin that keeps one from heaven Joe, unbelief in Christ. I said Hill would be judged by God and what He promises will happen in the scriptures. Find where I said......Hill is going to hell. PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

reply from: BossMomma

Wouldn't you be violating God's Law in your second response? Yeah hypocrites, real consistent. Lie and lie again.
No, because it would be legal with mans law and the bible tells us to adhere to the law of the land.
Then all of us should rise up and burn clinics. When this land was founded, those who started it said that we not only have the right, but the duty to rebel against a government that has become a despot. WE THE PEOPLE are the government. And we the people need to start taking steps to actually stop the slaughter.
Right, the best way to stop violence is with more violence right?

reply from: faithman

Wouldn't you be violating God's Law in your second response? Yeah hypocrites, real consistent. Lie and lie again.
No, because it would be legal with mans law and the bible tells us to adhere to the law of the land.
Then all of us should rise up and burn clinics. When this land was founded, those who started it said that we not only have the right, but the duty to rebel against a government that has become a despot. WE THE PEOPLE are the government. And we the people need to start taking steps to actually stop the slaughter.
Right, the best way to stop violence is with more violence right?
Sometimes it is the only way.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Wouldn't you be violating God's Law in your second response? Yeah hypocrites, real consistent. Lie and lie again.
No, because it would be legal with mans law and the bible tells us to adhere to the law of the land.
Then all of us should rise up and burn clinics. When this land was founded, those who started it said that we not only have the right, but the duty to rebel against a government that has become a despot. WE THE PEOPLE are the government. And we the people need to start taking steps to actually stop the slaughter.
Right, the best way to stop violence is with more violence right?
Sometimes it is the only way.
You should take your marching orders from Christ instead of America's founding fathers.
John the Baptist was unjustly beheaded because he told Herod it was not lawful for him to have his brother Phillip's wife. The woman involved in the adultery was greatly angered and had her daughter ask for John the Baptist's head. Did Jesus and his disciples burn down Herod's buildings because he unjustly killed human beings?
God has commanded that man perform his work. And although Solomon testified that it was an evil work being done by man, yet, we are commaned to be subject to man's governments.
The disciples and Jesus were subject to the Roman government. Jesus, Paul and others were unjustly put to death by man's government. Did they respond by taking up arms against the Roman government? No, that would have been sin. Sin means you are disobeying God. God has commanded that you shall be in subjection to man's government. No power or authority has been put in your hands to combat the government that God said you must be subject too.

reply from: BossMomma

Wouldn't you be violating God's Law in your second response? Yeah hypocrites, real consistent. Lie and lie again.
No, because it would be legal with mans law and the bible tells us to adhere to the law of the land.
Then all of us should rise up and burn clinics. When this land was founded, those who started it said that we not only have the right, but the duty to rebel against a government that has become a despot. WE THE PEOPLE are the government. And we the people need to start taking steps to actually stop the slaughter.
Right, the best way to stop violence is with more violence right?
Sometimes it is the only way.
Only an idiot would hold your frame of mind.

reply from: faithman

Wouldn't you be violating God's Law in your second response? Yeah hypocrites, real consistent. Lie and lie again.
No, because it would be legal with mans law and the bible tells us to adhere to the law of the land.
Then all of us should rise up and burn clinics. When this land was founded, those who started it said that we not only have the right, but the duty to rebel against a government that has become a despot. WE THE PEOPLE are the government. And we the people need to start taking steps to actually stop the slaughter.
Right, the best way to stop violence is with more violence right?
Sometimes it is the only way.
Only an idiot would hold your frame of mind.
SSSSSOOOOO policemen are idiots? Soldiers are idiots? Any man or woman who protects their loved ones from evil doers are idiots?citizens who protect other citizens are idiots? Why would you rather protect the abortionist than the ones they murder? You want to like at one with an idiot mind, clean off your mirror in your pig pen.

reply from: BossMomma

Wouldn't you be violating God's Law in your second response? Yeah hypocrites, real consistent. Lie and lie again.
No, because it would be legal with mans law and the bible tells us to adhere to the law of the land.
Then all of us should rise up and burn clinics. When this land was founded, those who started it said that we not only have the right, but the duty to rebel against a government that has become a despot. WE THE PEOPLE are the government. And we the people need to start taking steps to actually stop the slaughter.
Right, the best way to stop violence is with more violence right?
Sometimes it is the only way.
Only an idiot would hold your frame of mind.
SSSSSOOOOO policemen are idiots? Soldiers are idiots? Any man or woman who protects their loved ones from evil doers are idiots?citizens who protect other citizens are idiots? Why would you rather protect the abortionist than the ones they murder? You want to like at one with an idiot mind, clean off your mirror in your pig pen.
Soldiers and police officers are acting lawfully in protecting the country, Hill is a criminal vigilante and an idiot, no wonder you idolize him. What proof do you have that my house is ill kept you lying dumpster diver?

reply from: joe

Wouldn't you be violating God's Law in your second response? Yeah hypocrites, real consistent. Lie and lie again.
No, because it would be legal with mans law and the bible tells us to adhere to the law of the land.
Thou shalt not kill is not followed by, depending on mans law. You can't have it both ways.
Nice to know you supported the Nazi's Legal extermination of innocent human lives. Over and over you stand as hypocrites.
BossMomma = Idiot.

reply from: joe

Wouldn't you be violating God's Law in your second response? Yeah hypocrites, real consistent. Lie and lie again.
No, because it would be legal with mans law and the bible tells us to adhere to the law of the land.
Then all of us should rise up and burn clinics. When this land was founded, those who started it said that we not only have the right, but the duty to rebel against a government that has become a despot. WE THE PEOPLE are the government. And we the people need to start taking steps to actually stop the slaughter.
Right, the best way to stop violence is with more violence right?
Sometimes it is the only way.
Only an idiot would hold your frame of mind.
SSSSSOOOOO policemen are idiots? Soldiers are idiots? Any man or woman who protects their loved ones from evil doers are idiots?citizens who protect other citizens are idiots? Why would you rather protect the abortionist than the ones they murder? You want to like at one with an idiot mind, clean off your mirror in your pig pen.

reply from: Steph

Churchmouse, settle down.
Tell everyone why its okay in the hebrew bible that God allows for babies heads to be bashed on rocks.
Then tell me about your bible and your hippie Jesus.

reply from: Steph

Wouldn't you be violating God's Law in your second response? Yeah hypocrites, real consistent. Lie and lie again.
No, because it would be legal with mans law and the bible tells us to adhere to the law of the land.
Jesus simply says, give to caesar what is caesar's.
We adhere to laws of the land, except for when they counter God's

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Wouldn't you be violating God's Law in your second response? Yeah hypocrites, real consistent. Lie and lie again.
No, because it would be legal with mans law and the bible tells us to adhere to the law of the land.
Then all of us should rise up and burn clinics. When this land was founded, those who started it said that we not only have the right, but the duty to rebel against a government that has become a despot. WE THE PEOPLE are the government. And we the people need to start taking steps to actually stop the slaughter.
Right, the best way to stop violence is with more violence right?
Sometimes it is the only way.
Only an idiot would hold your frame of mind.
SSSSSOOOOO policemen are idiots? Soldiers are idiots? Any man or woman who protects their loved ones from evil doers are idiots?citizens who protect other citizens are idiots? Why would you rather protect the abortionist than the ones they murder? You want to like at one with an idiot mind, clean off your mirror in your pig pen.
Police offficers and soldiers have their authority granted to them. No man takes that authority on his own. You have no authority other than over your own family. You are required to obey the laws of the land.

reply from: faithman

Concernedoparent would break the law to intervene in the rape even if his intervention was illegal. Do you agree churchmouse? Is that moral?
Hill acted in an abortion clinic parking lot, with a clinic full waiting on the abortionist. Womb children were in the vicinity, and Britton fully intended to kill them. But he never killed another child. I guess all the faux lifers would have rather this man to have been alive killing children the last 16 years. So they would rather protect the abortionist, than actually doing something to stop them. It has never been condemned to use lethal force to protect the innocent from evil aggression.....that is until so called pro-life carried more about their precious image than stopping the slaughter...
If what he did is right and if what he did is effective, and if you approve of it, then why are you behaving like a faux lifer and just talking about it?
Aren't you a coward and a hypocrite if you don't follow in the murderer's footsteps?
This doctor might have converted like Dr. Nathason did, and might have become a force for good. At any rate, it did not make abortion illegal, and it did not stop customers from going to someone else.
Very true. I am not quite there yet. But if more would follow hill, there would be less clinics to go to now would there? Besides, I don't care to commit suicide by government just yet. If one is going to take up arms, they must do so by being way under the raidar screen. I passed that line a long time ago. But here is the flaw in your thought. Many support our military without ever taking up arms themselves. Does that make them a hypocrit? I have said many times that justified defence is not very practicle. But I will not condemn them either. It has always been justified to protect the innocent from evil aggression, even if the aggressors were the government. To say otherwise is to aggree with planned parenthood that the womb child is not worthy of the same protection as the born child. You simply can not have it both ways. It is this inconsistant double speak from so called main stream prolife that has done more to keep abortion on demand legal for over three decades, than anything else.
Your mentality makes you a dangerous extremist. While you obviously do not have the guts to act on your convictions (at least for now), you actively encourage violent extremism. The fact that you will not risk jail for the sake of those convictions shows you to be a hypocrite, since you obviously put yourself first. I, on the other hand, have actually risked my own life more than once to do what I believed to be "right."
People like you are, in my opinion, more to blame for Hill's actions than perhaps even Hill himself, and it is only a matter of time before cowards like you convince another good man to go wrong. Of course, that is actually the whole purpose, isn't it? The only point in going on about such as this is the hope that you will convince others to do what you lack the courage to do yourself, and it's not so much about preventing abortions as it is your idea of "justice," is it? You would praise those who commit violent acts against abortionists just because you feel they "deserve" it, even if you understood that doing so hurts our cause.....
Your priorities are skewed, to say the least.
For one thing you lieing little punk, I am not the one who goes on and on about it. I did not start this thred FYI. I am merely expressing my opinion. It is subversives like you who do the womb children more harm than anything else. The whole point is equality for all innocent life. The curent abortion laws are unconstitutional and despotic. We are sactioning the "legal" slaughter of innocent life without due process of law. I am also merely repeating what the founders of this country have said in the documental instruments that set things up. It point blank says that if government becomes the instrument of despotism, the people have the right, and duty to throw it off. For 4 thousand years of western culture, and at least 1600 years of church history, it has been justifiable to use lethal force to stop evil aggression against innocent life. All 50 states justify the use of force to protect life and property. But stupid idiots like you would have us believe that the same consideration should not be exstended to defencless womb children. My "cause" is loyalty to the innocent pre-born child. Not some ineffectual bowel movement full of evil punks like you. You are a slither viper, crawling up out of your evolutionary ooze to undermine the conviction nessisary to defeat the enemies of the preborn, and this constitutional republic. All you are is a useful idiot for the baby killers. You would rather protect the murderers than their victims. You are the friend of planned parenthood and a subversive to the core. So blather on monkey boy. You are a good lesson for any real pro-lifer not to follow. You are a God hating baboon breathed enemy of preborn life, and the real coward here.

reply from: nancyu

Kinda reminds me of the guy in the movie who gathered all his poker winnings together, and said "I'm truly shocked to learn that there is illegal gambling going on in this establishment".
I guess if you turn your head, you don't have any obligation.... eh?
I'm sure somewhere in this great country there is an abortion going on, why are you doing nothing to save that baby while it's being suctioned out of it's mothers womb.
What a stupid, stupid thing you are BM. If you click the link in Yoda's signature you would see everything he is doing to save that baby. Unfortunately he's not superman, and he could use a little more help (instead of baseless attacks) please.
If you as you so often claim are really pro life, if you really believe that child who is being killed right now is a human person, why are you doing nothing to save that baby?

reply from: yoda

Because she's much too busy attacking me and other prolifers on this forum?
A gal can't be everywhere at once, ya know?

reply from: BossMomma

Wouldn't you be violating God's Law in your second response? Yeah hypocrites, real consistent. Lie and lie again.
No, because it would be legal with mans law and the bible tells us to adhere to the law of the land.
Thou shalt not kill is not followed by, depending on mans law. You can't have it both ways.
Nice to know you supported the Nazi's Legal extermination of innocent human lives. Over and over you stand as hypocrites.
BossMomma = Idiot.
Joe= poster child for abortion.

reply from: BossMomma

Wouldn't you be violating God's Law in your second response? Yeah hypocrites, real consistent. Lie and lie again.
No, because it would be legal with mans law and the bible tells us to adhere to the law of the land.
Jesus simply says, give to caesar what is caesar's.
We adhere to laws of the land, except for when they counter God's
Even in the bible murderers faced the death penalty.

reply from: Faramir

The law of the land permits but does not force abortion.
What is your point?

reply from: churchmouse

And you continue to avoid the question.....
Say when does your Army of God meetings take place? Would love to come picket them.
Why do you avoid questions put to you Joe?
Why don't you participate in violence? You idolize Hill......yet you obviously have no passion. You are such a faux lifer Joe. Your pro-life fluff.
Godslaw you are right on with this post......
Jesus did not condone violence and He did not participate in it. These kooks on this forum condone violence. They run from answering why.....but they do and we all know it. Anyone that would condone what your group thinks is just... is unbalanced and dangerous.
And this is just one example of someone unbalanced.
We are not talking about people peacefully following the law. Faithman does not get it. Hill gunned down the abortionist. He gunned him down in cold blood. He was not performing an abortion. He gunned down his body guard who was hired to do a job. He INJURED the abortionists wife. Did she deserve what she got? That because she was associated to the abortionist, she deserved to be wounded?
You are sick, you are dangerous and you should be watched faithman. Who knows what you might do. You condone violence but you sit quietly and pretend that you would not do it. Obviously you can't put things in perspective and neither can Joe.
You are not on the same page because Joe is unbalanced, insane as anyone is that would harm innocent people.
And you are right when you said they are hypocrites. They say we have no passion because we do not condone Hills actions. Yet they do nothing to save unborns, nothing to stop abortionists themselves.
Joe and FBoy do not attempt in anyway to address questions put to them. I have asked over and over about the innocent lives that Hill took and they won't address it. They won't because they think the body guard deserved to die. They obviously believe the wife deserved to get hurt. They probably feel that the fact she did not die was the sad thing. They make no attempt to answer. They are gutless and like you point out they are dangerous extremists. They sit back praying others will follow Hills actions......while condemning us for condemning Hill......while sitting back and doing nothing themselves.
I would love them to address the question you ask here, but they won't, they can't.
I AM NOT MAKING ANY SUGGESTIONS OR TRYING TO GET YOU TO PARTICIPATE IN ANYTHING VIOLENT. WHAT I AM DOING IS CALLing YOU TO THE TABLE ON YOUR BELIEFS THAT VIOLENCE IS THE ANSWER AND HILL WAS A HERO FOR KILLING TWO PEOPLE.
IF HE IS A HERO........THEN WHY DONT YOU WANT TO BE A PRO-LIFE HERO?

reply from: churchmouse

I have asked them to provide scripture where Jesus would condone violence. Where did He ever swear, name call, and commit violence Himself? He saw injustices, why didn't he show violence back?
Maybe steph can answer the question however.
Steph......could you provide the scriptures that I ask for? Give us the ones where Jesus is calling names......where He is acting in violence towards someone...show us where Christ acted out in violence and killed people all in the name of justice.
Did He kill anyone?
Yes,,,but we are to follow Christ's example of love, even loving our enemy. How did Hill love his enemy? Now show us examples of the violence that Christ did.
Did he take matters into His own hands? How many people did He kill steph?
Christ came for the lost. He said to love even your enemy. He went to His death without so much as lifting a finger in violence towards those aggressive against Him. Didn't He say, "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do." ?
HOW WOULD CHRIST HANDLE THE ABORTION SITUATION IF HE WALKED THE EARTH TODAY? You tell us steph. You say I got Christ wrong......how?
THEN ARE YOU COMMITTING ACTS OF VIOLENCE FAITHMAN? ARE YOU PARTICIPATING IN VIOLENCE? DO YOU THINK THE ARMY OF GOD GETS IT RIGHT? AND IF YOU DONT, WHY ARENT YOU? DONT YOU HAVE REAL PASSION? IF HILLS ACTIONS ARE JUSTIFIABLE........THEN WHY DONT YOU FOLLOW IN HIS FOOTSTEPS FAITHMAN? YODA? STEPH? YODA? JOE? NANCY?
Your little cards? Are they really enough? If killing abortionists and body guards are the way to go then..........what faithman?
That is not true. Because we oppose violence that does not mean we believe that the unborn should be slaughtered. Monkeyboy? How sick you are faithman. How sick can a person get. You are unbalanced and dangerous. You should be watched closely.
She is not stupid. You might disagree with her position but she is far from stupid. She asked good hard questions that your hate group wont address. Yoda might be doing little things for this cause.......but he has no passion. He has no guts.....he is not doing what faithman and Joe says someone must do for the unborn....and that is to kill people. They condone people that go out and kill. Do you Nancy? Do you believe killing is the answer?

reply from: churchmouse

And steph ?
No one wants to tackle the questions?


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