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Army of God

Who are they? Are they good or bad for the pro-life cause?

by: Weenie

Many years ago when I first posted on a pro-choice message board, I was accused of being a member of the "Army of God."
I didn't have a clue at the time who they were, but did some searches and found at that time that they seemed to support violence as a means to combat abortion.
I don't know much about them, but have seen on this forum links to their sites, and links to sites that link to Army of God, and am curious whether pro-lifers should embrace them or reject them, and why.

reply from: yoda

I have an idea, weenie..... why don't you think of some diversion to take folk's minds off abortion?
Wouldn't that be fun?

reply from: Banned Member

http://www.eastsidedeli.com/image/PRODUCTS/150/hot%20dog%2061251000704.jpg

reply from: Weenie

Instead of mocking a fellow Catholic during Lent, auggie, how about contributing to the thread? What do you know about the Army of God, and should we as Catholics support them or condemn them?
I'm asking a genuine question.

reply from: Weenie

Note, this thread is not just for Catholics. I mentioned Catholicism only because, like me, Augustine professes to be a Catholic.

reply from: Weenie

You mean like make a thread about liars?
Nah...I want to stay on topic.
I don't know much about the Army of God. Do you care to illuminate me about them? Should I support what they do or not?

reply from: Banned Member

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reply from: Weenie

So you're just going to be troll?

reply from: Banned Member

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YsWGpR7PsKo/SGk18nt5yrI/AAAAAAAAAMU/KpPUWmcIaRo/s400/Troll1.jpg

reply from: speck

Considering the amount of "off topic" posts, ppl like Yoda and Augustine make or participate in, and the fact that they avoid this subject often, as well as a few others, I am wondering if it is just to back their buddy FM knowing he is affiliated with the AOG, or if they themselves are also.

reply from: Weenie

Ok...If any Catholic wishes to seriously respond, I have a genuine interest in knowing whether Catholics should support or condemn Army of God, and that question goes to Christians and any other pro-lifers as well.

reply from: Banned Member

OFF TOPIC?
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=6151&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=6075&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=5700&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=5915&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=6142&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=5753&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=5877&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=5648&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=6104&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=6094&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=6079&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=6042&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=5953&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=5933&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=5859&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=5895&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=5870&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=5863&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=5857&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=5851&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=5475&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=5590&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=5684&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=5749&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=5454&enterthread=y
OFF TOPIC?

reply from: Weenie

Yes, you're off the topic of this thread Aug. Stop trolling.
Respond to the actual topic or go make another long-winded speech in one of your own threads.
Back to the topic:
I have no problem saying that I wholeheartedly support Priests for Life as a prolife organization.
I have no problem saying that I condemn violence as a means of combating abortion.
Why is there silence about this group? If someone supports them, they should not be too embarrassed to say so.

reply from: Banned Member

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reply from: Weenie

I don't know that he is a member.
Do you have any proof of this? If he was a member he would say so.

reply from: Weenie

Not necessarily.
They could be supportive of people and groups who do not support them in return.

reply from: Weenie

Like Obama says--just because someone thinks he's a nice guy, that doesn't mean he (Obama) agrees with him.
Maybe faithman will respond. I hope so. If he's a member, he won't be ashamed to say so, and possibly can shed some light on the good that this group does.
And I would like to know more about Army of God, because I really have only sketchy info about them. So far I do know is that they have been accused of using violent means, but I want to be fair before making any judgements and get the whole story.
I've written to Priests for Life to see if they are supportive, and to see what they have to say about them. They have answered my questions in the past, and I'm hopeful they'll answer this one, and if they do, I'll post the response.

reply from: Weenie

I knew he had issues with Pavone, but did not know that the murderer that Pavone wanted brought to justice was a member of Army of God.

reply from: Weenie

I did find that Army of God condemns the pro-life groups, Priests for Life and Feminists for life among others:
http://www.armyofgod.com/PHillenemies.html

reply from: Shenanigans

No offence to you, dear, but even the pro-choice to kill unborn children crowd might be stupid morons but they generally wont' go labelling someone Army of God for no good reason. You, have displayed no tendancies towards that movment.
Therefore, I can only presume you are full of kaka.

reply from: Shenanigans

As it is, AOG, are on the extreme end of the anti-abortion spectrum, they beleive in murdering abortionists and clinic bombings and the usual antics.
If you are geninunally serious about whether Catholics should support such groups, I suggest you do your own research into the writings of the faith you claim to be, but since I have serious doubts about your credibility:
No, catholics should not support groups that condone or engage in acts of violence.
As Catholics our role is to fight in the spiritual and extend our hands in charitiy in the physical, not go around blowing s h i t up.

reply from: Weenie

Are you a Catholic?
Do you doubt my credibility regarding my claim to be a Catholic?
Do you think I'm not credible based on my own words, or the words of the many friends I seem to have attracted here?
At any rate, this is a discussion board, and bringing this question to the board is a form of "research" as is doing my own looking into it, which I have done somewhat, and am continuing to do.

reply from: Weenie

No offence to you, dear, but even the pro-choice to kill unborn children crowd might be stupid morons but they generally wont' go labelling someone Army of God for no good reason. You, have displayed no tendancies towards that movment.
Therefore, I can only presume you are full of kaka.
Please don't call me "dear."
I was on a board with some very radical prochoice people. I was new, and one of them in particular was very suspicious and mean--kind of like a couple on this board.
At any rate, you may call that "kaka" if you like, but it's the truth. I was accused of being a member of the Army of God.

reply from: Shenanigans

Yip.
Yip.
Of course, this is the interwebs, you could claim to be the Queen of England and you could be telling the truth.
This is the interwebs. NO ONE is credible here. But I know what I see, and what I see is you suddenly showing up around the same time a certain other poster dissappeared for embarrasing reasons. Then said poster returned and you seem to be defending someone you weren't around for when things were going pear shaped.
How can you defend an individual when you weren't around to witness the events that led to such unpleasantness? You also seemed to know a lot more then a n00b should do... of course you could have read through EVERY thread and EVERY post, including those in the locked forums...
Good for you. But internet forums shouldn't be the first port of call for research of this nature. Try a copy of the catechism.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/ccc_toc.htm

reply from: Weenie

You haven't been here long enough to know the characters in this comedy, shenanigans, so I will give you some space and not take offense.
I am not a noob, and had been posting as "faramir" but my friend yoda kept calling me "weenie" instead, so in order to please him, decided to change my name to "weenie."
There are several Catholics on this forum and none of them doubts my Catholicism, except possibly Augustine, who seems to have been here a little too long, and has let been hanging around with the black helicopter crowd.
I am not a cradle Catholic, but a convert at age 38.
I have been to Medjugorje, but I think it's rubbish--not the devotion of the pilgrims, but that our Blessed Lady is actually appearing there.
I regularly pray the Rosary, which as you know consists of the Apostles creed, and five sets of ten "hail marys" preceded by an "Our father" and ending with a "Glory be."
I used to attend Knights of Columbus meetings, but in our parish, they are very boring meetings attended by old guys who waste time laughing at their stupid jokes.
On our parish grounds we have a Perpetual Adoration Chapel, and an experience there is one of the things that led to my conversion.
Is there anything so far that rings true about me being a Catholic or do you think a non Catholic could pull such things out of their own arse?

reply from: yoda

"Weenie the Troll"...... sounds like a nursery rhyme, doesn't it?

reply from: yoda

What? You're asking weenie to actually do his own research, instead of starting a thread here? You must be a "hater", or a "shamer", one or the other..... I forget which is worse....

reply from: yoda

AND springheel jack, AND a few others, right? Oh, and before that, you went by the name "Vernon", right?

reply from: Shenanigans

I don't get offended. I am more then happy to apologise or change opinoin if the correct information is expressed.
So, why did you re-join? Your joining date is the 23rd Feb, 2009. Why create a new handle? Were you banned? Did you loose your password? Seriously, I would like to know.
Well, I'm a cynical sort when it comes to the webs. But will grant you the benefit of the doubt if you so insist.
Good for you!
Different strokes, I guess. My mum went there a few years back and had an amazing spiritual experience. She desires to go back.
Jolly good, then.
Yeah, I heard that about the KoCs.
Lucky you. My local parish only cracks that out once year.
Well, if you use the word "arse" you can't be that bad.
I will now accept your Catholism - or at least give you the benefit of the interwebs doubt. Still querrying why you would defend certain posters caught out in lies though....

reply from: Shenanigans

A shaming hater? A hating shamer? Or maybe a Shater?

reply from: yoda

Why not? Isn't Shenanigans as "dear" to you as cm?

reply from: yoda

"Shater"? Hey, that's good..... or how about "Hammer"?

reply from: Shenanigans

Why not? Isn't Shenanigans as "dear" to you as cm?
Ahahah, nana swears! I've been calling everyone "dear" lately.
Except the dementia patient who sucker punched me at 3 in the morning! I wasn't calling her dear, that's for sure.

reply from: Weenie

Why not? Isn't Shenanigans as "dear" to you as cm?
Are you here to derail the thread, or do you have an opinion you could share about the Army of God?

reply from: yoda

I'm here to derail this stupid thread, just like you derail most of the other threads to make your silly arsed defense of cm.....

reply from: yoda

Hey you'd think it would be a compliment.... but not for weenie, I guess...

reply from: Weenie

I don't get offended. I am more then happy to apologise or change opinoin if the correct information is expressed.
So, why did you re-join? Your joining date is the 23rd Feb, 2009. Why create a new handle? Were you banned? Did you loose your password? Seriously, I would like to know.
Well, I'm a cynical sort when it comes to the webs. But will grant you the benefit of the doubt if you so insist.
Good for you!
Different strokes, I guess. My mum went there a few years back and had an amazing spiritual experience. She desires to go back.
Jolly good, then.
Yeah, I heard that about the KoCs.
Lucky you. My local parish only cracks that out once year.
Well, if you use the word "arse" you can't be that bad.
I will now accept your Catholism - or at least give you the benefit of the interwebs doubt. Still querrying why you would defend certain posters caught out in lies though....
Thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt.
To answer your other questions:
One of the resolutions I made this year was to stop spending so much time on the internet. I saw that I was getting caught up with the drama here, so I told my wife to change my password here, and don't tell it to me unitl April.
But I still watched what was going on, and decided to make a post or two as "sprinheeljack" and wanted him to be nasty and mean, but couldn't keep that going, and so I then decided to make just a few posts as "weenie" since that was the new name a few of my buddies here had given me, and I thought they would be amused by it.
I only meant to make a few posts, but once again, I have become caught up with excessive posting and am not doing so well with this particular resolution, though I am back to exercising and eating less, and have lost some weight, so all is not lost in the resolution department.
The other issue is a long story, and I am not defending a lie, though this particular lie is of no consequence and was as I see it harmless. It's not the first lie that was ever posted here, I am sure, and I think someone went to excessive means to prove it was one.
At any rate, the issue with this particular person is over the fact that she has been cruelly and mercilessly persecuted by a few members of this forum, and has been called the most horrible things. As a Catholic gentleman, I could not stand by and watch it happen, so I have defended her, and others don't like it.
I don't defend some positions she has that I disagree with. I just oppose the abusive language directed at her.
I think you'll see more if you hang around here.
I find you to be a refreshing addition to this forum. You seem to have a sense of humor, and we could use that here.

reply from: Weenie

I'm here to derail this stupid thread, just like you derail most of the other threads to make your silly arsed defense of cm.....
If you will carefully note, I involve myself in very few threads, and cosciously limit such posting.
Too bad members can't voluntarily be respectful, and then nobody would have to defend anybody.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Were you just trying to denigrate faithman or are you serious about him having his own section on the AOG webste?

reply from: sheri

Farimir, AOG is the type of prolife group that gets investigated when something violent happens, arson, etc. They are very agressive and have a puritanical attitude that tends to exclude most other prolifers. I would reccomend looking to other groups for prolife leadership, Life dynamics is excellent, though i know you butted heads with MC3, I think your a big enough man to let that pass and continue the fight for the preborn as best we can.

reply from: Weenie

You think so? Don't overestimate me.
But if Life Dynamics is good, and maybe they are, I really know nothing about them, I don't get why they allow what goes on here, and if AOG is bad, then why are there so many here who are regulars, and apparently friends of MC3 who link to AOG so often? That to me, makes for a bad appearance, if AOG is not reputable.
Again, I only know what I've heard about AOG. What I have heard is not good, but I'm keeping an open mind.

reply from: sheri

I think MC3 is just reluctent to give anyone the boot, look how long it took him to get vexing kicked out.

reply from: sheri

Be assured life dynamics is a great org. Why dont you get their life talk DVDs? They come once a month and it is so encouraging, it gives good ideas and lots of hope (not the obama kind!).

reply from: Weenie

I wasn't booted, but he told me I wasn't welcome.
Far worse things are tolerated here than what Vexing said.
Sorry, but it's hard for me to see Life Dynamics as anything other than the face of it right here, and it's not pretty. If he wants that organization to be perceived positively, he should clean up the mess here.
As far as I am concerned, faithman, yodavater, nancyu, and christianlott are what Life Dynamics stands for, since these posters are given free reign to harrass anyone they please, and as often as it pleases them, which is quite often.
As long as long as Life Dynamics allows the cruel degradation that goes on here regularly--as if it's a normal and proper way to advance the prolife cause--then it will continue to be in my eyes an organization that is not reputable and not worthy of my support--not that I think they or anyone gives two hoots about my opinion--but that's how I see it.

reply from: sheri

I do agree that the degrading of CM is much worse then anything vex said. I dont think this forum was meant to reflect LDIs over all thinking, i think it is just a silly group of PLs and when you get a group of PLs together this is what you get, bickering , fighting, click vs. click, you ever hear that song "High school never ends"? That is what it is like.
I dont think you should judge the works of LDI by this poorly handled debacle. The good things they have done has greatly advanced the prolife movement.

reply from: churchmouse

Weenie you will never get an answer from this group.....Augustine now included. I am shocked at how he has changed.
I think joueravefou got it right....
They advocate violence....plain and simple.
Here is what the enemy says about them.
http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/violence/army_god.html

http://www.alternet.org/story/12620

http://www.armyofgod.com/

They are a satanic group, that is what they are. Nothing they do or say aligns with Gods Word. They are powered by Satan and are evil. They do not rely on God for anything. They have no faith by taking matters into their own hands. And because of this they will probably spend eternity thinking about the hate they showed on earth. God said love your enemy.
Are they doing that.............align that with Faithmans views and they seem to be the same.
No he wouldnt. He runs from the hard questions...he hides. LOL
WEll you can go back and read threads to see what is going on. You know Faithman, Lott, Yoda are all predictable. Their behavior never changes. They are bad mouthed bullies. Augustine is close behind.
AMEN. She has been treated horribly by the Christian in name only crowd.
Well Faithman makes vexing look like Mother Teresa. He is a lot worse IMO.
Well I agree. I have heard Mark talk twice at conventions and he was amazing. Read his book LIME 5....awesome. How this site has been run as of late is dissapointing. I just dont understand him. I can no longer recommend people that I meet to come here. I now give them Janet Folgers site. She would never allow what has happened here to happen on her site. But then she is one of the biggys a pioneer for the Pro-life movement. She is a godly woman.
http://www.f2a.org/

reply from: Weenie

If this really were something like "high school" with just name calling and stupid fighting, and we do have some of that, I could see your point, and it would be no big deal. But it is far worse than that. The most horrible abuse and degradation has been tolerated.

reply from: sheri

Mysz, The reason fboy's ranting on CM is so bad is because it makes us look like we do not welcome postabortive women, this mentality is far from what LDI believes. It also gives the impressionable the wrong idea of how to treat women going into the clinics.
We need to keep in mind that this may mean life or death to some little person and choose our words with that thought ever in the forefront, just like you do when you are out protesting.

reply from: Weenie

Some people degrade as much as fman does, but in sneakier ways, and others encourage it. Faithman should not to be blamed entirely.

reply from: speck

If anybody wishes to see the proof that FM is affiliated with the AOG, PM me, and I have no problems showing you.

reply from: joe

Shut your mouth, false Christian. Nobody advocates violence! Only truth. Now tell me why the gas chamber operators should be protected??????????????

reply from: joe

Now tell me how is stopping the gas chamber operators against Christianity?????????????

reply from: joe

Hey Dumbass, show me why protecting innocent human life is against the law, If you still have a problem maybe you could talk to my lawyer, bi***.

reply from: joe

Praise the Lord for those who actually follow the greatest commandment.

reply from: yoda

Your limits are waaaay to high......

reply from: yoda

And yet.......... you just can't take a hint, can you?

reply from: nancyu

I wasn't booted, but he told me I wasn't welcome.
Far worse things are tolerated here than what Vexing said.
Sorry, but it's hard for me to see Life Dynamics as anything other than the face of it right here, and it's not pretty. If he wants that organization to be perceived positively, he should clean up the mess here.
As far as I am concerned, faithman, yodavater, nancyu, and christianlott are what Life Dynamics stands for, since these posters are given free reign to harrass anyone they please, and as often as it pleases them, which is quite often.
As long as long as Life Dynamics allows the cruel degradation that goes on here regularly--as if it's a normal and proper way to advance the prolife cause--then it will continue to be in my eyes an organization that is not reputable and not worthy of my support--not that I think they or anyone gives two hoots about my opinion--but that's how I see it.
No one harasses anyone as much as you harass us, weenie. You're just a big CINSFOFFAT

reply from: yoda

That's weenie's "calling"....... saving babies doesn't interest him much, so.....

reply from: faithman

Now tell me how is stopping the gas chamber operators against Christianity?????????????
Because it isn't really real to them that little children actually die in those places.

reply from: churchmouse

Now why am I a false Christian joe? Because I call the hateful people here on their actions? They think hating is ok, is it? Is hating scripturally ok joe? Show me where God said, hate your neighbor, hate your enemy? And look hard joe, because they are no where to be found in the bible. Christ never said not stand up for the unborn, but we are to do it they way HE WANTS US TO DO IT,, AND NOT THE WAY THIS GROUP WANTS US TO DO IT.
Can you comprehend that joe?
If you think those here that have literally crucified carole and others are Christian and that is what you think a Christian looks like then you have not investigated the Word and your view is warped. BEcause hate and God are opposites. Hate is dark, love is light. And you can stand at PP clinics, you can picket and protest the horrors of abortion AND YOU STILL CAN GLORIFY GOD WHILE YOU DO IT.
And I will not shut up, but nice try. Faithman wont come out and say, he advocate violence (because he wont debate an issue anymore he runs, or just posts the same ole cut and paste reply) but if you take his posts here and pile them all up, it is easy to see that his tone is violent. Plus he wouldnt want to law on his fanny, so he chooses his words carefully. And like I said, if push came to shove who knows what he would do. Or you for that matter......you seem hostile all of a sudden joe. Whats wrong? You say that weenie and myself are caroles bodyguards and defend her......what are you doing honey? Faithman cant take care of himself? Its wrong for us to go to bat for carole.....but its ok that you guys defend faithman? LMAO Come on Joe think.
You have a scripture as your signature.....it reads.......
"Then He will answer them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extend that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.' Matthew 25:45
What does this mean to you and why do you have it for all to see Joe?
What are we as Christs examples supposed to extend to people Joe?
Why are you so verbally violent? Why the potty mouth? Why the threats?
Army of God Joe?
You have the gall to have a holy scripture as your signature and you use language like that? And you say I am the false Christian?
I never talk like you guys do and neither does weenie.
Again, why the hostility the rage in your voice Joe?
I look forward to your answers joe......god bless.

reply from: Weenie

Praise the Lord for those who actually follow the greatest commandment.
My apologies for leaving you out, but you've not been around lately.
But I didn't know the greatest commandment was to harrass and demean others.

reply from: Weenie

I'm not afraid to say I'm a Catholic. Some might not like Catholics and some might, but regardless, that's what I am and I'm proud of it, and I'm not afraid to identify myself as one.
I'm not afraid to say I'm pro-life. Abortion is an injustice, and I'm not embarrassed to say I oppose it for any reason.
I'm not afraid to say I support Priests for Life as a legitimate pro-life organization. The same goes for other legitimate groups.
I'm not afraid or ashamed to say I condemn violence as a legitmate means of combating abortion.
What I don't understand is why so many here dance around that issue of violence and this group, Army of God, and will not answer definitively.
They won't say "yes" and they won't say "no."
Why are they afraid or embarrassed to say what they truly believe and support?

reply from: yoda

But that's all weenie has to post about...... in fact, I think that kinda describes his whole life.....

reply from: Weenie

You make some good points and I'll think about it, but note that you have already outed someone yourself, beyond anything I would consider doing, such as naming a real name.

reply from: Weenie

Good luck with getting any takers.
None of the prominent posters here will agree with you, and none will disagree. They are all strangely silent and evasive when it comes to this issue.
If you want to have a REAL discussion, make a post about whether a woman who wears boots is a whore.

reply from: churchmouse

I agree. But many here think it is legitamate. What do you say to them.
weenie your hilarious but honey you are right on. These guys wont touch this issue and will remain silent on it. They dont want to be associated with a left wing ungodly group like they are.
But make a thread about another sinner......that they can crucify and bash.....and they all show up.

reply from: speck

Weenie, It was not CP (wb btw!!) that "outed" anyone, it was myself that chose to do so.
And while I agree with most of what CP said, regarding that it doesn't matter who, but to argue against the principles, the only problem with that, CP, in when you know of someone who is affiliated with the AOG, and that same someone does nothing but show/post violently, and approve of violence, and that same person is getting peoples addresses, I think people have a right to know the truth for their own safety.
*Side note* I did not know FM was also toothless

reply from: speck

It's not just you......

reply from: Weenie

a bump for those too chicken to admit they support violence

reply from: 4given

Yawn.. Is this part of a special 12 step program? Shouldn't you check with your mentor or something before engaging in such controversial posting?

reply from: Weenie

Yawn.. Is this part of a special 12 step program? Shouldn't you check with your mentor or something before engaging in such controversial posting?
No, it's part of an initiation rite into a super-keen secret society. Sorry, I can't tell you anything about it, or the secret decoder rings we get.

reply from: 4given

Yawn.. Is this part of a special 12 step program? Shouldn't you check with your mentor or something before engaging in such controversial posting?
No, it's part of an initiation rite into a super-keen secret society. Sorry, I can't tell you anything about it, or the secret decoder rings we get.. Humorous.

reply from: faithman

My views on the justified use of lethal force have been very clearly posted on this forum and other places. I am not chicken at all punk. That I assure you. I just don't care to waist my time rehashing my views with cowardly little do nothings in short pants trying to play all grown up. When you start actually doing real work in real time, then come back and run your mouth. We gave you material for free, but you were the one who is way to chicken to use it. When you grow a pair, then come back and call someone chicken.

reply from: yoda

It's very important to weenie to "get revenge" on you for all the difficulty cm is in because of the lie you exposed, so he's got to try every possible way to smear you. Don't even bother to try to defend yourself, weenie already has you in his sights..... and he isn't handicapped by an obligation to post in defense of the unborn..... he has only one goal on this forum... and you know what it is.....

reply from: churchmouse

There is a secret society of so-called Army of God Christians on here that are hiding.
And weenie when they get close to being exposed, they thrash around a bit and get verbally violent. Thats when they start the attack.
I just wonder why they dont come clean. They shoud be proud of their views, unless they go against the laws of our country. No one will admit to wanting violence and death to someone else.

reply from: joe

Sorry churchmouse, I happen to be law-abiding but there is something that I do believe in, it is what makes this country a great place to live.
The First Amendment to the United States Constitution. The right to call out injustice without the fear of people like you.

reply from: churchmouse

LOL Now calm down Joe. Remember you are to speak in kindness, that is one of Gods commandments. If you consider me an enemy, then love is what you should show me. Show me kindly where I am in error.
I have been posting here for quite some time. I have seen the hatred that some have for others grow and grow. They name-call, they use abusive language, they bad mouth and they seem to stalk by threatening to expose identities. They have been allowed free rein to tear people down here.
Obviously by your question you advocate violence. You said why protect the abortion providers? Abortion is legal today, and we have got to still stay and work within the boundaries of our laws if we want anything to change. And if we do not, then we must pay the penalty. Hill not only killed the abortionist but his hired escort and he also wounded Hills wife. He said when they executed him that he felt no remorse. You guys consider him a hero. A hero for what.... Killing people in cold blood and injuring an innocent bystander? Did Hills wife perform abortions? Did his escort perform abortions? Hill was possessed by the devil that day, because his acts dishonored God. Again the message might be right but carried out wrong.
If you and the gang think what he did was so wonderful (am not dvocating you do anything-just making an observatop) then why arent you doing the same thing? You guys are the ones hiding. SPEAK UP, BE HEARD.
I am against violence. I do what I do hoping that it will make a difference even in just one persons life. To point someone in Gods direction....to stop even one child from an abortion.....glorifies God. How do those that advocate what Hill did justify this scripturally? You tell me, you think your the epitome of Christiandom. What do you think?
So tell us all joe how to stop abortionists at the clinics? I want specifics.
You use that mouth and call yourself an authentic Christian?
You also a member of the ARmy of God? Yes or no
You said this........" Praise the Lord for those who actually follow the greatest commandment."
You are a heretic. You who forgets the commandment to love. You have no clue what that is do you?
WHO HERE SUPPORTS VIOLENCE????????????????????????????????????????????
Joe and who else____________________
We know Faithman is a coward and will use anything to hide when this topic comes up. There are two things he wont talk about......his christian faith or lack of one and violence and abortion.
He uses the excuse that he has posted his views before and does not need to. I do not believe they exist, if they did he would post them like he does for his cards.
You asked the question "why protect the abortion providers"?
So what are we to do then Joe? We can work to overturn laws, but we must do it within our laws. Hill did not do this.
So you would agree that he did wrong, right Joe?
Spinwiddy you and I have gone at it several times......no a lot. But I have to agree with you about this hate group. These people call me a false Christian and they do not live the Word themselves. The hate they have shown, the namecalling....all point to their disregard of Christ and what He came and did. For them their forcus is only in the unborn......they conveniently take God out of the equation. AND WHEN CONFRONTED THEY RUN, MAKE EXCUSES TO AVOID ACCOUNTING FOR THEIR UNCHRISTIAN BEHAVIOR.
You are wrong about one thing however. You said Jesus would not hang around losers like they are. BUT THAT IS WHY CHRIST CAME ...TO SAVE THE LOST. Spin he would hang around them. He would tell them that their message might be right, but that they are going about it the wrong way that they are sinning. They are lost, they need Christ and Christ came for them. He came for you too. ha ha
Had to say that hope you dont mind. You know me.......

reply from: yoda

Be careful, you're talking about spinweenie's best buddy.....

reply from: joe

I know who: Churchmouse and weenie. Both think the doctors should be protected by police force while they rip a human apart.

reply from: nancyu

I know who: Churchmouse and weenie. Both think the doctors should be protected by police force while they rip a human apart.
Funny how they keep forgetting about THAT violence.

reply from: joe

It is amazing how you twist the commandment to fit you and your church.
How is it love when you condemn the Christians who broke the German law to protect the innocent who were marked for death? Were those Christians "heretics" because they did not follow man made laws and became criminals. Were they "heretics" because they did not love the Nazis?
You condemn Paul Hill yet you fail to answer the above questions...every time. Since I do abide by the law I cannot fully agree with his actions but I cannot on the grounds of logic and love condemn him.
If the pro-life movement took half the energy they used to condemn him and used it to be openly honest about the current situation maybe we would not have lost this battle. When we condemned him we lost all credibility. We became liars and hypocrites and the world saw this. The world understood that not even the pro-life movement truly believes that the unborn are fully human equivalent to me and you. Our movement just became another issue not a war on human life that it is.
If Christians like you truly loved God, you would place God above man. The Laws Of God clearly state that murder is not allowed and the supreme court violated God's law in issuing the perverse Roe vs. Wade. Instead you place the laws of man above God by seeking the execution of a man who did not break God's Law.
What kind of sick and twisted Christian would openly condemn a man to death who was defending innocent human life? What kind of perverse love is this? You Churchmouse do not understand the meaning of this commandment, you stand here as a heretic.

reply from: carolemarie

The bible says that we are not to kill. That goes for the born as well as the unborn.
You are advocating a Utiliarian philosopy which is basically at odds with the gospel.

reply from: Weenie

I know who: Churchmouse and weenie. Both think the doctors should be protected by police force while they rip a human apart.
Funny how they keep forgetting about THAT violence.
If you approve of violence, then how come you're sitting back doing nothing?

reply from: faithman

Once again you misquote the bible. It says to do no murder. But it most assuredly prescribes the death penalty for evil doers in both the olsd and new testiment. But whats the big whoop, you are quite adept at being wrong.

reply from: Weenie

Once again you misquote the bible. It says to do no murder. But it most assuredly prescribes the death penalty for evil doers in both the olsd and new testiment. But whats the big whoop, you are quite adept at being wrong.
I agree that it means murder and does not rule out all killing. But what about murdering abortion providers? Is that the right thing to do?

reply from: churchmouse

joe honey try just answering one question. You start threads then run......you never answer, never.
I am still waiting your reply to my questions in Churchmouse false Christian......you left, why?
Are you afraid of answering?
But you are right, I do not advocate violence and believe we should follow our laws
If you believe in violence then why dont you do something about it? I am NOT CONDONING THIS OR SUGGESTING YOU DO THIS.....but if you feel that the abortionist and clinic workers, family members of these people deserve to be killed.......then what are you doing to rid the world of the people you say dont deserve to live?
I have asked you this before..........and of course you ran......
What should happen to these people, who should do it?
You guys hate us because we dont want to hate. You think that by hating.....it solves everything. Where is that scriptural?
Again try answering something joe.
I also asked you about love. I started a thread about love. I noticed you or the gang has not been in.
What do you think about he commandment for us to love?
I never condoned the ACT of abortion, the acts of the nazis. They will be punished. Do you think people should just take matters into their own hands and go out and kill? Abortion is an important issue for us. There are other issues out there important to other people. Would you also condone someone killing people that do stem cell research? How about those in Oregon who are killing the elderly at death clinic? How about crooked cops? Men who dont pay child support?
Should we just ignore the laws in the country?
I HAVE ANSWERED EVERYTHING YOU HAVE ASKED ME. YOU ON THE OTHER HAND ASK AND RUN SO YOU AVOID ANSWERING YOURSELF.
What questions joe? What Paul Hill did was evil. He killed three people. Two of them did not even perform abortions. Now how would you feel if you mother were killed because of the sins of your father? How would you feel if you were the wife of his body guard? Paul Hills message might have been right......but they way he acted upon it was ungodly. He will pay in hell because he said before they killed him that he did not regret his actions. He did not repent. Of course we will never know, only God does, but from what I read, he did not repent.

You make fun of those of us that think Hill was wrong.....but you don't agree with what he did either. I don't get it? We have to look to God who is the judge. Hill will pay because God is just. I can judge Hills actions and they based on scripture were wrong. The Army of God defends him. They are ungodly people. They do not have faith in the God they profess to love.
I love God Joe, and I put Him above everything else, my family even the abortion issue. I have to have faith that God is in control. He knows my heart, knows I am trying to do what I can legally. But I do not believe God wants me to kill people over this issue. Our corrupt government allows abortion to be legal. Do I like it, no. We did not even get to vote as a country on this. Corrupt and evil people who sat on the Supreme Court desided the fate of the unborn. I believe they will pay as well. But we are citizens and we have to obey our laws. God said do not kill.
It does not seem right does it? Again God is just and the guilty will pay. The people who carried out this execution were doing a job. Just like the Roman soldiers that took Christ away. Christ knew that. We might not understand all this, but God does and He will reward the righteous and punish the unrighteous.
How am I wrong scripturally? Dont just say I am a heretic, show me. It seems Joe that your beef is with God. Because he condones capital punishment and Hill killed two people and injured one. Hill sinned and he did not repent.
God also condems the unrighteous, how do you feel about that?
You are giving off two messages here.....
You say we are wrong for thinking Hill was justified in what he did......then you say you disagree with what he did.
Like weenie said, if you think Hills actions were right......how come you and your group sit back and do nothing?
Hill killed not only the abortionist but his body guard. And he did not stop there he wounded Hills wife. He killed two people. Abortion unfortunatley is legal in America. He killed someone who was following our laws, sick as they are.
The bible is plainly clear and if you relate Hills actions to Gods laws......he was wrong and sinned. However just his motives were, he sinned and had to be punished.

reply from: BossMomma

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Gee, Auggie, if that weenie had cobwebs and dust bunnies on it, it would look just like YOURS!
ROTFLMAO!

reply from: joe

Churchmouse, I do not have the resources to continue this never ending debate but you do make it clear every time that you and your kind never face the hard facts. Maybe it is too hard to handle, maybe the truth would shake your foundation. In either case I do not condemn your faith and love for God and support your efforts to spread the gospel but on the issue of the humanity and love for the unborn we will always disagree. I will never betray the "least of these", so on this issue we will always be divided.
You ignore my questions about the Jewish Holocaust in what seems to me as a deliberate diversion. A diversion meant to dehumanize the unborn for reasons most likely personal to you. I will not ignore history and the rhetoric used now and in the past by both the enemy and "Christians" alike. Rhetoric meant to silence the population and accept mass slaughter of Gods holy creation -Human life.
God will ultimately restore justice, his judgment will be true. For you to condemn a fellow Christian to Hell for violating man made law is not Christian and has been my point since the beginning. We both agree he violated the laws of men and both agree we should follow laws to avoid anarchy but you betrayed your faith when you condemned him to Hell. There was no moral violation according to the Laws of God. That is your sin.
Now I can not respond every time and will never run from questioning anything I believe and assure you I have read your posts. I will never betray "the least of these" even against fellow Christians who claim they come in love and peace. Love and peace that is stained with innocent blood is the pinnacle of hate and I will have no part of it.

reply from: Weenie

Hey, I've got an easier one for you, Joe.
Tell me why I'm a "dumbass."
I bet I've got more reasons than you do.

reply from: faithman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yO3TLg1a38&feature=related

reply from: churchmouse

What do you mean the resources? You mean you don't understand? The Truth is never hard to handle....not for me at least. The TRUTH is God as revealed through the scriptures. Who have I betrayed?

You should take Dobsons, The Truth Project, its awesome.
You betray God if you would ever put anything before Him including the unborn child. As important as pro-life work is, nothing should take center stage, all eyes should be looking heavenward.

I never saw one question about the Holocaust. But I would like to point out one fact that you might not have known. The Jews were not the only ones gased. My inlaws are Jewish.
Abortion is an assualt on God. BUT.......we can not forget in our zeal to get something done, that we MUST ALWAYS follow Gods Word. And you, yoda, nancy, faithman, lott......WILL NOT ADDRESS THOSE COMMANDMENTS WHERE GOD SAYS SPECIFICALLY TO LOVE EVEN YOUR ENEMY. You guys conveniently toss those scriptures out.
Yes, He will and He will judge everyone according to His Word. That goes for the Christians who did not follow it. There will be no excuse.
Hill made his own bed. He is the one that killed two people. Whatever the reasons for the murders God will take it all and place it up against the truth of His Word. He killed two people who according to American law did nothing wrong even though they sinned against God. The abortionist sinned.....but so does the adulterer, the thief etc. Sin is sin in the sense it is disobeying God. Now would you condone someone going around and shooting people that come out of strip joints? How about casinos? How about the adulterer.....kill them all by taking matters into your own hands? Abortion is only one sin agaisnt God.
God has stepped back and allowed people to decide where they want to spend eternity. If you reject Christ scriptures say exactly where the unbeliever will go. God does not deside....each individual person decides. Not only did the abortionist sin against Gods Word, but Hill did as well. We can condemn his actions. God will take care of the rest.
You do run. You started a thread about me but left and wouldnt answer my questions. LOL
Why?
And does your goup come with love and peace? You know who I am talking about. How does namecalling, useing vulgar languages show Gods love and compassion for those who might be lost and need the gospel? How does the hate that has gone on here glorified God?
Hate is disobeying the Word. If you have hate in your heart, you are sinning. If you do not forgive, you are sinning. All sins deserve God's judgment. But every sin no matter how large....is not large enough that God can not forgive it. And if God can forgive it so should we. 1 John 1:7 says, ""The blood of Jesus purifies us from every sin."
EVERY SIN.
Hating God is the worst hate one can show.
You imply here that I have no right to judge someone even fellow Christians. But you judge me, by saying that I am wrong and you are right. So really you are judging me. Scripture says we have every right to call someone out on their actions and words. God of course is the judge of the heart.

reply from: Weenie

Is Cal Thomes correct?
Are the Army of God extremists helping the prochoice cause? Are they an enemy of the unborn?

reply from: nancyu

May I? You are a dumbass because you completely ignored an incredible, brilliant sensitive, and kind post that appeared just above yours. Just because it was from Joe.

reply from: nancyu

Churchmouse, I do not have the resources to continue this never ending debate but you do make it clear every time that you and your kind never face the hard facts. Maybe it is too hard to handle, maybe the truth would shake your foundation. In either case I do not condemn your faith and love for God and support your efforts to spread the gospel but on the issue of the humanity and love for the unborn we will always disagree. I will never betray the "least of these", so on this issue we will always be divided.
You ignore my questions about the Jewish Holocaust in what seems to me as a deliberate diversion. A diversion meant to dehumanize the unborn for reasons most likely personal to you. I will not ignore history and the rhetoric used now and in the past by both the enemy and "Christians" alike. Rhetoric meant to silence the population and accept mass slaughter of Gods holy creation -Human life.
God will ultimately restore justice, his judgment will be true. For you to condemn a fellow Christian to Hell for violating man made law is not Christian and has been my point since the beginning. We both agree he violated the laws of men and both agree we should follow laws to avoid anarchy but you betrayed your faith when you condemned him to Hell. There was no moral violation according to the Laws of God. That is your sin.
Now I can not respond every time and will never run from questioning anything I believe and assure you I have read your posts. I will never betray "the least of these" even against fellow Christians who claim they come in love and peace. Love and peace that is stained with innocent blood is the pinnacle of hate and I will have no part of it.

reply from: Weenie

May I? You are a dumbass because you completely ignored an incredible, brilliant sensitive, and kind post that appeared just above yours. Just because it was from Joe.
I read that post, and did not ignore it.
I had no reason to respond to it, however.
And in spite of his civil tone in this instance, he still seems to be showing approval of using violent means to oppose abortion.

reply from: Steph

"And in spite of his civil tone in this instance, he still seems to be showing approval of using violent means to oppose abortion."
Weenie, where do I get this feeling that you don't get worked up about having to accept that the Catholic Church tells us there can be a just war?
Violent means have been accepted by the Catholic Church under certain circumstances. You seem to ONLY be concerned when those means are when it comes to the arena of abortion, but then how do you apply that to just war as described in the CCC?
the appearance you give, shows a double standard perhaps?

reply from: Weenie

All Catholic prolife organizations that I know of oppose violent means regarding the protest of abortion.
Do you as a Catholic support violence, and do you know of any prominent Catholics who approve of the use of violence? Priests for Life at one time offered a reward leading to the arrest of an Army of God associate who committed murder in the name of the pro-life cause.
I have not seen any Catholic support of the notion that killing abortion doctors and blowing up abortion clinics would be considered a "just war."

reply from: churchmouse

I have ignored nothing. What specifically do you want to know? I am not diverting anything. I certainly do not dehumanize the unborn. They are gods creation, every bit as equal in His eyes as we are.
The thing I do that you dont do so it appears.....is to put Him first. You might do this privately but your actions here do not reflect that. He should be glorified and we can do that by our faith and the fruits we produce. Hate, calling names towards people is not a good fruit.
How am I trying to silence people about this issue? I would like you to provide examples. My postiion is the same as yours, BUT, I dont use vulgar names for people on here, and I dont hate anyone. You do. Now how is this godly?
What rhetoric dO I use to skirt this issue?
I mean I am against abortion for rape and incest. Only when a womans life is on the line am I for any lifesaving intervention.
I work in this field and I have been brutally honest that I killed my unborn.
What the heck do you want?
And weenie I have never met anyone who was pro-violence even towards the abortionist.
Never have I seen hate in people as I see here from this group.

reply from: Weenie

I asked my prolife activist friend from church if she called those who aborted, "killers," and she said, "never." She said when they would go on saves at clinics (and she had been thrown in jail at a couple times) that they would beg the women not to abort, and also beg the abortionits not to do it, but they never called either "killers."
I have not met anyone who is pro-violence or who does not think that violence is not only wrong, but counterproductive.

reply from: Steph

All Catholic prolife organizations that I know of oppose violent means regarding the protest of abortion.
Do you as a Catholic support violence, and do you know of any prominent Catholics who approve of the use of violence? Priests for Life at one time offered a reward leading to the arrest of an Army of God associate who committed murder in the name of the pro-life cause.
I have not seen any Catholic support of the notion that killing abortion doctors and blowing up abortion clinics would be considered a "just war."
Catholics have supported just war (just, as determined by the Catholic Church that is)
That is all I am saying.
Make of that what you will.

reply from: faithman

All Catholic prolife organizations that I know of oppose violent means regarding the protest of abortion.
Do you as a Catholic support violence, and do you know of any prominent Catholics who approve of the use of violence? Priests for Life at one time offered a reward leading to the arrest of an Army of God associate who committed murder in the name of the pro-life cause.
I have not seen any Catholic support of the notion that killing abortion doctors and blowing up abortion clinics would be considered a "just war."
Catholics have supported just war (just, as determined by the Catholic Church that is)
That is all I am saying.
Make of that what you will.
That is the prob here. Catholic doctrine has always justified the use of lethal force to stop evil aggression. Is abortion murder? Is it evil aggression? Is it just to use force to stop evil aggression against born children? What weenie and the rest of the passifist are doing, is agreeing with planned parenthood that the womb child is a second class citizen, and unworthy of the same consideration as the born child. I do not care to [play their endless merry go round of endless stupid questions, because they are dishonest. They protect abortion with the stance. They simply can not have it both ways. The only reason lethal force is not practical in stopping abortion, is because we have a pro-life sanhidran that would pay 30 pieces to rat out those who would take proper measures to stop evil aggression. If this were a righteous nation, and pro-life was more than a bowel movement, then every clinic in america would burn this very night. And every murderous abortionist would be put on notice to stop or decorate a lamp pole. And yes, we would put women who slaughter their womb children in prison, just like we put those who kill their born children in jail. WE THE PEOPLE are the government. And WE THE PEOPLE may have to over throw this pro-death government to return things to sanity. But because of the double speak of weenie, and the baby killing CM, we have been told that evil is good and good is evil. America has been castrated, and no longer is the home of the brave. The brave are wisked away, and killed by the government.

reply from: Weenie

Of course as a Catholic I support the concept of a "just war."
But you implied I should see pro-life violence in the same light.

reply from: Yuuki

Of course as a Catholic I support the concept of a "just war."
But you implied I should see pro-life violence in the same light.
Some people consider abortion to be a war.

reply from: faithman

Of course as a Catholic I support the concept of a "just war."
But you implied I should see pro-life violence in the same light.
Not only "just war" but the use of lethal force to stop evil aggression against innocent persons. You can not say that a womb child is a person, and then try to explain away the duty of people to defend them. The ones who are wicked here, are the ones who protect the abortionist with their passifism. Your backwards collar wearing hero, pavone, is all against the death penalty, but would sell out a deffender of innocent life to a pro-abort government that has already used the death penalty against womb child defenders. I would say there is a big pile of hipocracy in that one.

reply from: yoda

The battle against abortion is a war. And there are over 4,000 casualties on one side every day in this country.
The problem is that the side that is losing this war doesn't have enough allies to resist being killed, and they can't defend themselves. Well, that's one of the problems.
Another problem is that some of the "allies" of the babies seem to think that they are the opponents of the proaborts, when in reality they are in no danger of being killed by the proaborts..... well, very little anyway.
No, the "rules" of this engagement allow only the unborn to be killed without penalty, so we "prolife allies of the unborn" are in no real danger of being casualties of this war. That makes us feel all nice and safe and warm, and makes some of us want to "make friends" with the side that is doing the killing. Some of us want to "fight this war" without getting our hands dirty, and without being inconvenienced in any way. We want a nice, friendly war where we can become friends with the enemy of the babies, and have refreshments and forget about the slaughter going on all around us.
Isn't that lovely? We could even have a tea party under shade trees, and chat with the proaborts when the weather warms up enough.... wouldn't that be lovely?

reply from: yoda

That's an interesting point.... I wonder if Father Pavone is for or against the death penalty? Maybe I can find out......

reply from: Yuuki

I don't view abortion as a war, so I don't have any enemies. Abortion is an industry of victims.

reply from: Weenie

That's an interesting point.... I wonder if Father Pavone is for or against the death penalty? Maybe I can find out......
He's likely to be against it, but beliefs about the death penalty are irrelevant to the pro-life cause. One can be for or against the death penalty and still be consistent regarding protection of life in the womb.
Is Fr. Pavone a "pro-abort" for opposing the murder of abortion doctors?
I don't consider a man who murdered innocents along with those he perceived to be guilty to be a "defender of the innocent."
He made a martyr out of an abortion doctor and gave support to the myth that pro-lifers are crazy and violent, and that is harmful to the pro-life side.
Ultimately, he is an enemy of the unborn. They don't need that kind of "help."

reply from: BossMomma

lol have you seen faithboy's webpage on the AoG site?

reply from: faithman

lol have you seen faithboy's webpage on the AoG site?
Have you seen BM' filthy home, and children in handy access to prescription drugs in her pictures?

reply from: BossMomma

lol have you seen faithboy's webpage on the AoG site?
Have you seen BM' filthy home, and children in handy access to prescription drugs in her pictures?
Filthy home? lol my house is old and the paint needs re-doing and yes I had prescription antibiotics, some painmeds after the surgery and, my vitamins and, lexapro, got a problem with that Mr. Faux-life hound?

reply from: Weenie

lol have you seen faithboy's webpage on the AoG site?
I have learned about it since I posted this thread, and his association with them and his writings are alarming, to say the least. I think he should publicly and thoroughly disclose his association with them, in fairness to those who would supply him with their personal information to receive his materials.

reply from: BossMomma

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Hey! It took the poor man months to scrape up the $215.00 for his new computer.
Those Commodore 64s have very poor resolution...
Maybe if he quite using all those resourses for stalking carole marie he'd have the cash for a better computer..or even better, some psych meds.

reply from: BossMomma

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You weren't here when he was begging for money to buy a big-screen TV.
He said he needed it to "save the babies."
How is a pimped out t.v. going to save the babies? He going to start an abortion cinema?

reply from: yoda

Did you not even read the post?
IF Father Pavone is anti-DP, then how can he offer a reward for information leading to the capture of someone who may be guilty of a capital offense?
Would that not be assisting in a possible execution?

reply from: yoda

Are you sending him any money? If not, then what business is it of yours?
Still looking for "revenge"?

reply from: Steph

Did you not even read the post?
IF Father Pavone is anti-DP, then how can he offer a reward for information leading to the capture of someone who may be guilty of a capital offense?
Would that not be assisting in a possible execution?
That is an interesting point.

reply from: yoda

Sadly, weenie usually doesn't even read the posts he replies to, and just posts a stock reply.......

reply from: Weenie

Did you not even read the post?
IF Father Pavone is anti-DP, then how can he offer a reward for information leading to the capture of someone who may be guilty of a capital offense?
Would that not be assisting in a possible execution?
He can still oppose the death penalty and accept that it is legal.
Opposition to the death penalty does not mean a murderer should stay on the loose, and possibly murder more people and do further damage to the pro-life cause.

reply from: yoda

So it's okay for an opponent of the DP to turn someone in and thus help send them to the execution chamber?
How about throwing the switch, or giving the injection, is that okay for an opponent of the DP also?

reply from: faithman

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AMEN!
I can't imaging what it must be like to find out you've been sending funds to the American Al Qaida. When the feds raid his home, those people will be found his mailing list .
I think you ought to stop asking the same stupid all ready answered questions over and over again, in an attempt to discredit an effort you were given the oppertunity to participate in, and yet waisted our time and resources, and only critisized what you never intended to use. But that is just me.... I don't keep a mailing list. the info is used once and safly disguarded. But you punks can just keep up your slander attack. It only proves IAAP is effective, otherwise you wouldn't be waging this battle against it.

reply from: yoda

Good point. If it was "irrelevant", they wouldn't bother.

reply from: faithman

Did you not even read the post?
IF Father Pavone is anti-DP, then how can he offer a reward for information leading to the capture of someone who may be guilty of a capital offense?
Would that not be assisting in a possible execution?
He can still oppose the death penalty and accept that it is legal.
Opposition to the death penalty does not mean a murderer should stay on the loose, and possibly murder more people and do further damage to the pro-life cause.
Look at the little weenie talk in circles and chase it's little tail. speaking out of both sides of your mouth natural, or did it take you a while to master the art form?

reply from: Weenie

Are you sending him any money? If not, then what business is it of yours?
Still looking for "revenge"?
It's a matter of privacy and safety--not revenge.
Can posters here be 100% certain that when they ask for certain materials, their contact information will not end up with the Army of God?
Maybe some wouldn't care about that, but some would.

reply from: yoda

That's a lie.
You bear zero responsibility for "privacy and safety" on this forum. Lest you forget, you are NOT a moderator here, and certainly NOT the owner of this forum. If you have a "concern" about privacy and safety, communicate it to the REAL owners of the forum.
Otherwise, you are just an ordinary revenge seeker.......

reply from: Weenie

So it's okay for an opponent of the DP to turn someone in and thus help send them to the execution chamber?
How about throwing the switch, or giving the injection, is that okay for an opponent of the DP also?
An opponent of the death penalty still accpets it as a possible and lawful punishment, and it would be unconscionable to let a murderer go free and possibly murder more because of the opposition.
I've answered two of your questions, can you answer mine please?
Is Fr. Pavone now a "pro abort"?

reply from: faithman

So it's okay for an opponent of the DP to turn someone in and thus help send them to the execution chamber?
How about throwing the switch, or giving the injection, is that okay for an opponent of the DP also?
An opponent of the death penalty still accpets it as a possible and lawful punishment, and it would be unconscionable to let a murderer go free and possibly murder more because of the opposition.
I've answered two of your questions, can you answer mine please?
Is Fr. Pavone now a "pro abort"?
He is a hipocrit, and a turn coat that offered money to sell out those who would stand for womb children. He tramples under foot the thousands of years old doctrine of using justifiable force to stop evil aggression. It is not murder to use force to stop evil aggression. Murder is the shedding of innocent blood. Those who do or defend abortion are not innocent. But you would rather protect the abortionist than the ones they kill. Pavone is worse than a bort head. He does their work for them under the flag of pro-life. He enables the slaughter to continue.

reply from: yoda

So, if something is "possible and lawful", we ought not to try to stop it? Is that what you're saying? Or, are you saying it's okay to cooperate in the execution of a criminal and still be anti-DP?
Which one is it, I'm confused.......
Well I certainly didn't infer that..... are you saying that? Why?

reply from: Weenie

I thought you were implying that Fr. Pavone is no longer a legitimate prolife advocate. My mistake and my apology if you were not.
But whether he opposes the death penalty is irrelevant. I might oppose it too, but I would rather a murderer be caught and possibly executed, than allowing him to be free, and possibly murder more people. So yes, I would pull the switch on a convicted murderer, even if I opposed the death penalty, if the alternative were that he were on the loose.

reply from: faithman

So, if something is "possible and lawful", we ought not to try to stop it? Is that what you're saying? Or, are you saying it's okay to cooperate in the execution of a criminal and still be anti-DP?
Which one is it, I'm confused.......
Well I certainly didn't infer that..... are you saying that? Why?
Is it SSSSSOOOOOO much to ask, that if you are not for something that you don't partisipate in it? That is like the pastor who claims to be pro-life, but takes his daughter for an abortion if she gets pregant out of wedlock. Pavone would have the guts to put someone to death, but would pay to have it done by a bort head government. No conflict of interest there at all!!!!!!!!!http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/Catholic/2001/04/Priests-For-Life-Offers-50000-Reward-For-Clinic-Shooters.aspx

reply from: faithman

SSSSSOOOOOO you would protect an abortionist, and kill the one who would stop him!!!! Whether you or pavone have the guts to admit it, you are most assuredly bort heads. Ya simply can not have it both ways.

reply from: yoda

You are one strange duck, weenie...... but at least you are consistent.
You would pull the switch yourself even "IF" you were anti-DP? Do you not have a clue as to how hypocritical that sounds? No wonder you're only a half-hearted prolifer.......
But of course, all this is irrelevant to Father Pavone's position. I'm still waiting on an answer from him or his people on his/their position on the DP.

reply from: Weenie

You are one strange duck, weenie...... but at least you are consistent.
You would pull the switch yourself even "IF" you were anti-DP? Do you not have a clue as to how hypocritical that sounds? No wonder you're only a half-hearted prolifer.......
But of course, all this is irrelevant to Father Pavone's position. I'm still waiting on an answer from him or his people on his/their position on the DP.
I don't see what it matters what he thinks about the death penalty. I would give 5 to 1 odds that he opposes it, but it's neither here nor there as I see it.
It's not an injustice, necessarily, and certainly not on the same level as abortion. At least the intent of the death penalty is to rid society of someone who is guilty and dangerous, which is not the case in abortion.
Anyone who opposes the death penalty still has a civil duty to turn a muderer over to the authorities.

reply from: faithman

You are one strange duck, weenie...... but at least you are consistent.
You would pull the switch yourself even "IF" you were anti-DP? Do you not have a clue as to how hypocritical that sounds? No wonder you're only a half-hearted prolifer.......
But of course, all this is irrelevant to Father Pavone's position. I'm still waiting on an answer from him or his people on his/their position on the DP.
I don't see what it matters what he thinks about the death penalty. I would give 5 to 1 odds that he opposes it, but it's neither here nor there as I see it.
It's not an injustice, necessarily, and certainly not on the same level as abortion. At least the intent of the death penalty is to rid society of someone who is guilty and dangerous, which is not the case in abortion.
Anyone who opposes the death penalty still has a civil duty to turn a muderer over to the authorities.
NOT THE CASE IN ABORTION!!!!! YOU HAVEN"T READ THE REPORTS ABOUT WOMEN KILLED, SEXUALLY ASAULTED, AND FORCED TO HAVE ABORTIONS WHEN THEY DECIDE NOT TO GO THRU WITH IT!!!???? Abortionist murder for a living and they are not dangerous and guilty???!!!! One who stops evil aggression against innocent life is not a murderer. Murder is the shedding of innocent blood. Now you trying to say that abortionist are innocent? Yepper, even though you may not have the guts to admit it, you are a bort head alright. .....and folks wonder why we have had abortion on demand for over 30 years.....

reply from: yoda

ONLY if they really don't oppose the DP on a moral basis.
ANYONE who opposes the DP on a moral basis would NOT turn someone in to face the DP. That's why many countries refuse to extradite criminals to our country without a guarantee that the criminal will not face the DP.
It would be hypocritical of them to do so, just as it is hypocritical of you to suggest that one can cooperate in carrying out the DP and oppose it at the same time.
Is hypocrisy also "okay" with you?

reply from: Steph

You are one strange duck, weenie...... but at least you are consistent.
You would pull the switch yourself even "IF" you were anti-DP? Do you not have a clue as to how hypocritical that sounds? No wonder you're only a half-hearted prolifer.......
But of course, all this is irrelevant to Father Pavone's position. I'm still waiting on an answer from him or his people on his/their position on the DP.
I don't see what it matters what he thinks about the death penalty. I would give 5 to 1 odds that he opposes it, but it's neither here nor there as I see it.
It's not an injustice, necessarily, and certainly not on the same level as abortion. At least the intent of the death penalty is to rid society of someone who is guilty and dangerous, which is not the case in abortion.
Anyone who opposes the death penalty still has a civil duty to turn a muderer over to the authorities.
How so?

reply from: faithman

You are one strange duck, weenie...... but at least you are consistent.
You would pull the switch yourself even "IF" you were anti-DP? Do you not have a clue as to how hypocritical that sounds? No wonder you're only a half-hearted prolifer.......
But of course, all this is irrelevant to Father Pavone's position. I'm still waiting on an answer from him or his people on his/their position on the DP.
I don't see what it matters what he thinks about the death penalty. I would give 5 to 1 odds that he opposes it, but it's neither here nor there as I see it.
It's not an injustice, necessarily, and certainly not on the same level as abortion. At least the intent of the death penalty is to rid society of someone who is guilty and dangerous, which is not the case in abortion.
Anyone who opposes the death penalty still has a civil duty to turn a muderer over to the authorities.
How so?

reply from: yoda

Did you ever get an answer yet?

reply from: faithman

NOPE! Don't think she ever did. Funny how they keep asking the same question over and over again even though it has already been answered, and want to call folks cowards when they can't even answere a question once. It is mainly because it exposes the fatal flaw in their thinking. They really do not see womb children as equal persons, and deserving of protection from evil aggression. They do not see abortion as evil agression, nor the abortionist as an evil aggressor. They would rather protect the abortionist while doing his "job", than the children their job kills ......and we wonder why abortion on demand is still "legal"?!!!!

reply from: cracrat

How so?
How so?
Did you ever get an answer yet?
Goodness me you lot are thick. The intent of the death penalty is to punish someone who has been convicted in a court of law of some intolerable crime. The victim of abortion has been convicted of no crime, they are being punished despite their innocence. Does this make Weenie's statement clearer or would you like me to use some smaller words?

reply from: yoda

You are completely off point, as is often the case. Our question to weenie was about the cooperation of someone who is opposes to the DP in sending someone to their death. Do you get the point now?

reply from: cracrat

You are completely off point, as is often the case. Our question to weenie was about the cooperation of someone who is opposes to the DP in sending someone to their death. Do you get the point now?
Wrong again old man. Steph highlighted the part which I attempted to clarify and yourself and Faithman chased up which regarded the relative merit of DP as compared to abortion.

reply from: yoda

I disagree, but that's also irrelevant.
Why don't you address the point I posed to you?

reply from: cracrat

I disagree, but that's also irrelevant.
Why don't you address the point I posed to you?
From a civic duty POV, an opponent of DP must turn somebody in if they have commited a crime, even if in doing so they risk that person paying the ultimate price. From my POV, fortunately we Brits don't execute prisoners anymore so it's unlikely I'll ever have to face such a decision. But leaving that aside, it would depend on the person had done. Generally such sanction is reserved for the most heinous crimes, and whilst I might have reservations about his/her possible fate, I would have greater reservations about leaving that person at liberty to commit more such crimes. And it is only a possible fate, they would still have to be convicted in a court of law and a judge would still have to deem their crimes worthy of death. I certainly couldn't have any part in the process of an execution, strapping them down, flipping the switch, pressing the "Inject" button or whatever.

reply from: yoda

So countries like France, England, and Canada are not "civic minded", because they won't extradite anyone to the US to face the DP?
By turning a person in for a capital crime in the US, you are just as much involved as the person who throws the switch.

reply from: cracrat

So countries like France, England, and Canada are not "civic minded", because they won't extradite anyone to the US to face the DP?
No. But I can't imagine such a person would be allowed to roam the streets. I'm not aware of any specific examples, but I should think it'd be settled with assurances that the accused won't face DP.
By turning a person in for a capital crime in the US, you are just as much involved as the person who throws the switch.
I disagree.

reply from: Faramir

How often is the death penaly implemented?
How much worse would it be to let the murderer roam free and kill someone else?
Better to turn in a murderer, even if opposed to the death penalty, than to be culpable for his next murder.

reply from: faithman

How often is the death penaly implemented?
How much worse would it be to let the murderer roam free and kill someone else?
Better to turn in a murderer, even if opposed to the death penalty, than to be culpable for his next murder.
SSSSSOOOO it is better to protect the abortionist, than stop the real murder of innocent life, huh?

reply from: Faramir

How often is the death penaly implemented?
How much worse would it be to let the murderer roam free and kill someone else?
Better to turn in a murderer, even if opposed to the death penalty, than to be culpable for his next murder.
SSSSSOOOO it is better to protect the abortionist, than stop the real murder of innocent life, huh?
The abortionist and some innocent bystanders were already murdered, so he needs no protection.
Even if I were opposed to the death penatly, I would still turn a murderer over to the police. A murderer is doing a greater injustice than the civil authority which "might" execute him.
Unfortunately abortion is legal, so it's not "real murder," and unfortunately, those who murder abortion doctors harm rather than help the pro-life cause.

reply from: faithman

How often is the death penaly implemented?
How much worse would it be to let the murderer roam free and kill someone else?
Better to turn in a murderer, even if opposed to the death penalty, than to be culpable for his next murder.
SSSSSOOOO it is better to protect the abortionist, than stop the real murder of innocent life, huh?
The abortionist and some innocent bystanders were already murdered, so he needs no protection.
Even if I were opposed to the death penatly, I would still turn a murderer over to the police. A murderer is doing a greater injustice than the civil authority which "might" execute him.
Unfortunately abortion is legal, so it's not "real murder," and unfortunately, those who murder abortion doctors harm rather than help the pro-life cause.
SSSSSOOOO yopu are for proteing abortionist who destroy innocent life, huh?

reply from: faithman

http://www.christianlifeandliberty.net/2009-02-16-RTLActofSC-intro-corr.doc

reply from: Yuuki

http://www.addictinggames.com/boomshine.html

reply from: Faramir

I am not for murdering them. And I am not for murdering the people who happen to be standing near him.
Are you?

reply from: faithman

I am not for murdering them. And I am not for murdering the people who happen to be standing near him.
Are you?
I am for stopping abortionist, not protecting them like you are.

reply from: BossMomma

I am not for murdering them. And I am not for murdering the people who happen to be standing near him.
Are you?
I am really sad, will you be my friend?

reply from: Faramir

I am not for murdering them. And I am not for murdering the people who happen to be standing near him.
Are you?
I am for stopping abortionist, not protecting them like you are.
So is the abortion rate any lower because of your hero abortion doctor murderers? (And the innoncents they killed besides).
What they did is make martyrs out of them.
Do you think those who do violence and murder help the cause? Do they make it easier or harder for others to reach women via sidewalk counseling, for example?

reply from: faithman

I am not for murdering them. And I am not for murdering the people who happen to be standing near him.
Are you?
I am for stopping abortionist, not protecting them like you are.
So is the abortion rate any lower because of your hero abortion doctor murderers? (And the innoncents they killed besides).
What they did is make martyrs out of them.
Do you think those who do violence and murder help the cause? Do they make it easier or harder for others to reach women via sidewalk counseling, for example?
Yes, as a matter of fact, it did help. One of the major problems the abortion industry has, is finding replacement abortionist. One of the major reasons given by med students, is that they don't want to pursue a career path that involves a flack jacket. I have personaly heard an OBGYN say he quit doing abortions because he feared getting shot. Everytime a clinic goes up. so does insurance rates, making it harder for clinics to remain in business. Side walk counseling is a mute point if there is no clinic to stand in front of, now isn't it? And you misrepresent again. It is not, nor ever has been an act of murder to defend innocent life with lethal force. To say so is to agree with planned parenthood that the womb child is a second class being undeserving of any consideration. SSSSSOOOO you would rather protect the abortionist, and his work place, just to polish the emage of an eneffectual bowel movement? Some peoples loyalty is to the innocent child being slaughtered, not a "movement" that has failed them for 36 years.

reply from: carolemarie

It is murder to gun down an abortion provider. It is evil and wrong.
It is insane to be prolife and support this.

reply from: BossMomma

One cannot be pro-life and support murder, faithmans support of murderers excludes him from the pro-life movement thus, he is a faux lifer.

reply from: yoda

ONLY if the country seeking the extradition is willing to forgo the DP. If not, then the extradition does not happen, and the subject is free to go about his/her business, since they're not charged with any crime in the country they presently reside in.

reply from: yoda

And would you throw the switch?
Oh, and how about this: "Better to throw the switch than to be culpable for his next murder after he escapes, gets a pardon or parole, or kills in prison"?

reply from: sk1bianca

is it evil and wrong to gun down a guy who is about to kill a 2 year old kid?
i don't support killing abortionists. it's just a question... i bet the answer will be something like "it's not the same thing", meaning unborn children are considered to be less valuable than born children... right?

reply from: faithman

SSSSSOOOOO you and all your pals are all for protecting abortionist while they kill babies huh? Seeings how you killed three it is undestandable that you would want to protect your own, bu the real insanity is so called pro-lifers are willing to protect abortionist, and their killing centers, rather than put a real end to it. It has always been justified to use lethal force to stop evil aggression against the innocent. All of you have wrongly called it murder. MURDER IS SHEDDING INNOCENT BLOOD> There is nothing innocent about those who shed innocent blood for a living. SSSSSOOOOO you murdering your own children was an act of evil? Or just a little youthful mistake?

reply from: BossMomma

SSSSSOOOOO you and all your pals are all for protecting abortionist while they kill babies huh? Seeings how you killed three it is undestandable that you would want to protect your own, bu the real insanity is so called pro-lifers are willing to protect abortionist, and their killing centers, rather than put a real end to it. It has always been justified to use lethal force to stop evil aggression against the innocent. All of you have wrongly called it murder. MURDER IS SHEDDING INNOCENT BLOOD> There is nothing innocent about those who shed innocent blood for a living. SSSSSOOOOO you murdering your own children was an act of evil? Or just a little youthful mistake?
Murder is the unlawful killing of any person with malice aforethought. Killing an OB/GYN for providing an abortion is murder, of course you're just sssssssssooooooooooo stupid that didn't occur to you did it?

reply from: yoda

And give them some tea and chocolates, too.

reply from: Faramir

And give them some tea and chocolates, too.
Sadly, more dishonesty.
You're much more effective when you are entirely truthful and don't distort or make underhanded comments.
You really do have good things to say at times, but you lose credibility when you stoop so low as this.

reply from: faithman

SSSSSOOOOO you and all your pals are all for protecting abortionist while they kill babies huh? Seeings how you killed three it is undestandable that you would want to protect your own, bu the real insanity is so called pro-lifers are willing to protect abortionist, and their killing centers, rather than put a real end to it. It has always been justified to use lethal force to stop evil aggression against the innocent. All of you have wrongly called it murder. MURDER IS SHEDDING INNOCENT BLOOD> There is nothing innocent about those who shed innocent blood for a living. SSSSSOOOOO you murdering your own children was an act of evil? Or just a little youthful mistake?
Murder is the unlawful killing of any person with malice aforethought. Killing an OB/GYN for providing an abortion is murder, of course you're just sssssssssooooooooooo stupid that didn't occur to you did it?
SSSSOOOOO you are all down with protecting abortionist, and their killing fields, HUH? What about those who were in the under ground and killed Nazis? I guess you want their medals taken from them? After all, it was legal for Nazis to kill jews. And what about this country? According to your way of thinking, we should place ourselves back under British rule. The Toreys said the very samethings you are saying. You are the one who is stupid here, and totally incapable of clear thought. Must be the methane you are breathing, generated by that pig pen you live in.

reply from: BossMomma

SSSSSOOOOO you and all your pals are all for protecting abortionist while they kill babies huh? Seeings how you killed three it is undestandable that you would want to protect your own, bu the real insanity is so called pro-lifers are willing to protect abortionist, and their killing centers, rather than put a real end to it. It has always been justified to use lethal force to stop evil aggression against the innocent. All of you have wrongly called it murder. MURDER IS SHEDDING INNOCENT BLOOD> There is nothing innocent about those who shed innocent blood for a living. SSSSSOOOOO you murdering your own children was an act of evil? Or just a little youthful mistake?
Murder is the unlawful killing of any person with malice aforethought. Killing an OB/GYN for providing an abortion is murder, of course you're just sssssssssooooooooooo stupid that didn't occur to you did it?
SSSSOOOOO you are all down with protecting abortionist, and their killing fields, HUH? What about those who were in the under ground and killed Nazis? I guess you want their medals taken from them? After all, it was legal for Nazis to kill jews. And what about this country? According to your way of thinking, we should place ourselves back under British rule. The Toreys said the very samethings you are saying. You are the one who is stupid here, and totally incapable of clear thought. Must be the methane you are breathing, generated by that pig pen you live in.
I'm stating the legal definition of murder you idiot, where'd you get all this other crap from?

reply from: yoda

OOOOooooo..... are you gonna turn me in, Mr. Moderator? Oh please, please don't turn me in..... I'll give you some tea and chocolates if you let me off just this time.....

reply from: faithman

SSSSSOOOOO you and all your pals are all for protecting abortionist while they kill babies huh? Seeings how you killed three it is undestandable that you would want to protect your own, bu the real insanity is so called pro-lifers are willing to protect abortionist, and their killing centers, rather than put a real end to it. It has always been justified to use lethal force to stop evil aggression against the innocent. All of you have wrongly called it murder. MURDER IS SHEDDING INNOCENT BLOOD> There is nothing innocent about those who shed innocent blood for a living. SSSSSOOOOO you murdering your own children was an act of evil? Or just a little youthful mistake?
Murder is the unlawful killing of any person with malice aforethought. Killing an OB/GYN for providing an abortion is murder, of course you're just sssssssssooooooooooo stupid that didn't occur to you did it?
SSSSOOOOO you are all down with protecting abortionist, and their killing fields, HUH? What about those who were in the under ground and killed Nazis? I guess you want their medals taken from them? After all, it was legal for Nazis to kill jews. And what about this country? According to your way of thinking, we should place ourselves back under British rule. The Toreys said the very samethings you are saying. You are the one who is stupid here, and totally incapable of clear thought. Must be the methane you are breathing, generated by that pig pen you live in.
I'm stating the legal definition of murder you idiot, where'd you get all this other crap from?
From 1600 years of church history. From current laws on the books that justify the use of lethal force to stop evil aggression against innocent life. If it were a born child, there would be no argument. Every citizen has the duty to protect an innocent from harm. Now, you are certainly agreeing with planned parenthood that the womb child is a second class being, and not deserving of protection from evil agression. You, and the rest of the phonies, need to stop calling abortion murder, if you are going to condemn those who truely act like it is. You would rather protect the abortionist and his work place, just so you can talk trash about those who think niether should exist, and actually take action on what they believe. It is this kind of double speak phoniness that has kept abortion on demand all these years. You would rather polish the image of an ineffectual "movement", and condemn those who actually stop abortion, than do anything of real substance [including spending a little time cleaning your home].

reply from: BossMomma

I'd rather not leave my children without a mother and go to prison. Do you have children? Would you serve life in the pen and leave them without a father?

reply from: faithman

Under current laws, the Hill murders would not have been justifiable homicide even if the intended victims were born and legally protected, so, you FAIL!
The only reason america is failing is because of punks like you. You are lieing pro-abort trash, and prove it with almost every post. The abortion laws are unconstitutional, and nil and void. The Hill trial was also unconstitutional. You are simple wrong again. All 50 states have justifiable defence laws on the books. If one is about to commit acts of evil aggression against innocent life, then they may be stopped by lethal force if nessisary. The only reason it failed is because of false voices like yours that would rather protect the killers than their victims. You are the subversive friend of the baby killers, and no pro-life voice at all. So blather on punk. You are the best bad EXAMPLE WE HAVE OF A FALSE VOICE.

reply from: nancyu

And would you throw the switch?
Oh, and how about this: "Better to throw the switch than to be culpable for his next murder after he escapes, gets a pardon or parole, or kills in prison"?
Very funny how he thinks it is okay for himself to inflict the death penalty to prevent further abortionists being murdered, but not okay for Hill to inflict the death penalty on the abortionists to prevent further babies from being murdered. Very curious. How is this logical fary? I'll guess, it has to do with "legality" correct?

reply from: Faramir

And would you throw the switch?
Oh, and how about this: "Better to throw the switch than to be culpable for his next murder after he escapes, gets a pardon or parole, or kills in prison"?
Very funny how he thinks it is okay for himself to inflict the death penalty to prevent further abortionists being murdered, but not okay for Hill to inflict the death penalty on the abortionists to prevent further babies from being murdered. Very curious. How is this logical fary? I'll guess, it has to do with "legality" correct?
Where do I begin to unravel the dishonesty, distortion, and lack of logic?
Do I bother?
Is it worth the trouble?
Would she even acknowledge (or understand) a thorough refutation?
Should I try to explain ANYTHING to someone who doesn't know that abortion is legal?
Hey Nance, you don't get it--just go fly a kite.

reply from: yoda

Well lately you've taken to using the "B" word.... has that failed you now?

reply from: Yuuki

That is in dispute.
Abortion IS legal, but that doesn't make it ethical.

reply from: nancyu

And would you throw the switch?
Oh, and how about this: "Better to throw the switch than to be culpable for his next murder after he escapes, gets a pardon or parole, or kills in prison"?
Very funny how he thinks it is okay for himself to inflict the death penalty to prevent further abortionists being murdered, but not okay for Hill to inflict the death penalty on the abortionists to prevent further babies from being murdered. Very curious. How is this logical fary? I'll guess, it has to do with "legality" correct?
Where do I begin to unravel the dishonesty, distortion, and lack of logic?
Do I bother?
Is it worth the trouble?
Would she even acknowledge (or understand) a thorough refutation?
Should I try to explain ANYTHING to someone who doesn't know that abortion is legal?
Hey Nance, you don't get it--just go fly a kite.
So there is no logic behind your statement and you can't explain it so you accuse me of lacking logic.
Aw what a cop out. Give it a try, even if I don't understand, a passing reader might, and you might do some good.
Come on faramir answer the question, why is it okay for you to inflict the death penalty on Hill, but not okay for Hill to inflict the same death penalty on an abortionist?

reply from: nancyu

That is in dispute.
Abortion IS legal, but that doesn't make it ethical.
It is not ethical, it is not moral, it is not necessary and it is NOT legal.

reply from: Yuuki

That is in dispute.
Abortion IS legal, but that doesn't make it ethical.
It is not ethical, it is not moral, it is not necessary and it is NOT legal.
It is law.

reply from: Skippy

The problem the doctor-shooters (and bombers and clinic escort shooters) face is one of lack of an imminent threat. You cannot legally use lethal force against someone for what you think they might do later that day, or later that week.

reply from: nancyu

The problem the doctor-shooters (and bombers and clinic escort shooters) face is one of lack of an imminent threat. You cannot legally use lethal force against someone for what you think they might do later that day, or later that week.
Yeah, you told this one before. The one about the guy who's gonna barbecue his kid tomorrow.


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