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What frightens a liar more than anything else?

(Hint: it has to do with people finding out that you are a liar)

by: yoda

What causes a liar to panic? What causes a liar to scream "stalker"?
What is the worst thing that can happen to a liar?

reply from: faithman

http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby12.html

reply from: yoda

Hey FMan, is he calling cm a horse?
Why do you suppose a baby killer would want to get into this discussion anyway? To help a friend?

reply from: faithman

Hey FMan, is he calling cm a horse?
Why do you suppose a baby killer would want to get into this discussion anyway? To help a friend?
Must be horses from the same herd. They sure whinny like it.

reply from: Weenie

I don't care if yodavater is a real name or is a lie.
The personal business behind the posts and names here is none of my business.

reply from: Weenie

The worst thing would be to have a maniac stalk and murder you. The second worst thing would be to have a fear that could happen, or that a family member could be harmed, or that personal safetey and privacy would be compromised in some way.
A lie on a message board does not deserve a murder or harrassment in response, or do you think it does?
The response to the lie could indeed be a much greater wrong than the orginal lie.
But it gives you an opportunity to make another thread about nothing.
Have some cheese...

reply from: Weenie

This is a reminder to all who post on this board that it is a public forum. Be sure and realize that it is viewed by a wide variety of people, as well as internet bots. To that end keep in mind that any personal information posted on the public portion of this board, is just that, public. Personal information such as names, phone numbers, addresses could be used by spammers, scammers and others. Every attempt is made to identify and delete posts that are suspect in nature - ie. Nigerian Princes looking to move billions out of the country, On-line Pharmacies with the best prices on the planet, ect . . . - however, it sometimes gets by us. Please send a Mod report and they will be handled quickly. Also, please note that this forum includes posters in a variety of age ranges and backgrounds. I would request that the privacy and security of the posters be assumed and respected. (ie. do not post personal information about another poster or request such information from the poster). These acts will result in banning. Thanks for being a part of the Pro-Life America Forum. We look forward to your ideas and thoughts being a part of this growing community.

reply from: faithman

Nobodies name has been revieled here except mine. Nobodies personal business has been violated either. That is simply another generalzation, and a lie. What was acted upon was a bogus story. And the CPC's, which were made vunerable to criminal investigation by the bogus story, were contacted to be made aware of the cituation so they could take measures to protect themselves. . A CPC is the one who volunteeried the information, that they knew the primary player. They are the ones who contacted said person on their own. I did not request them to do so. I did not "stalk" anybody, as I posted publicly as to the steps I would take. When the story was reported to be bogus, as true to my word, I dropped the matter. It is you, and your ilk, whick keeps it alive by posting your false aligations. If it is none of your business, why do you keep dragging it up? You think you will get the last word, and successfully paint me as a stalker. Get over that one right now. I would think that you have learned one thing about me. I don't bluff. Now either stop your slander campain, or I will take this issue up again, and see it all the way to a conclusion.

reply from: Weenie

I wasn't responding to the specifics, faithman, just the overall question.
Ask you friends to stop bringing up the issue. Both yodavater and nancyu made threads about it. They are keeping it going.
I don't now think you stalked anyone, and I believe what you've said about what you did, but I think it was totally unnecessary and an overreaction, and put fear into someone for no reason.

reply from: ChristianLott2

It wasn't unnecessary to care about the privacy of that supposed 10 year old girl and want to make sure the situation was being properly handled by the correct authorities nor was it an overreaction to expose the liar.
cm has proven she is not only incompetent at helping young women by posting their personal information on a public message board, she's also been proven a liar.
All of these things needed exposing and fman should be congratulated and thanked while cm deserves our deepest scorn and contempt.

reply from: Weenie

It wasn't unnecessary to care about the privacy of that supposed 10 year old girl and want to make sure the situation was being properly handled by the correct authorities nor was it an overreaction to expose the liar.
cm has proven she is not only incompetent at helping young women by posting their personal information on a public message board, she's also been proven a liar.
All of these things needed exposing and fman should be congratulated and thanked while cm deserves our deepest scorn and contempt.
What personal information? It was very general.
I think "teddybearhampster" was a totally bogus sock puppet of another poster, and her story was made up. So what? We can still discuss the issues just like we do any hypothetical.
I don't think posting that bogus story about the 10 year old was a good idea, and I can't figure out why she did. But I did notice that not once did she use it as a means to promote that an abortion was in order in this case. Maybe she just posted it to see if anyone would show some symathy for the girl.
I'm curious why you object to the statement, "Born life is just as important as unborn life."

reply from: Shenanigans

Maybe having their tounge eaten out by flesh eating bunnies.
Or flesh eating foeti!

reply from: faithman

Thats the whole problem punk. You keep posting generalzations about a specific issue. Any citizen who has reasonable suspecion that an underage girl is sexually active has a duty to report it to the authorities. CPC's should be warned of a cituation in which they have been made suseptible to criminal investigation. CM had good reason to fear, as she told a lie, and could have caused a great deal of trouble for unsuspecting people in CPC's. I don't think I over reacted at all. I publicly stated the steps I would take, and what would cause me to stop. yoda, and nancy only posted in responce to the attackers. It is you and your fellow butt nuggett friends, who have over stated, twisted half true lied, and slandered me with unfounded general statements. You are pissed because your little lieing friend was caught and had her baby killing behind handed back to her. I don't really care whether you like it or not. I have never used anyones personal information off of this forum for any other purpose than sending them free IAAP material. Your ilk has unjustly, with asolutly no proof, tried to paint me as a dangerous stalker. You have done it simply because you are holding a grudge, and you don't care if real prolife work is hindered by your lies. whether it is a CPC by bogus story, Or the IAAP effort which the owner of this forum has said this is the very reason the forum was set up for in the first place. He has also said that id you don't like it here, or the way it is run, LEAVE!!! That is very good advise, for if this does not stop soon, I will be contacting the authorities in step 2. Not really where I want to go, but don't think for a moment I am bluffing. Enough is enough.

reply from: Weenie

The thread here was not about you. My response was not about you.
In another thread I jumped on the bandwagon and called you a "stalker" and I take that back. After seeing all the information, I do not believe what you did was stalking, though it's understandable that someone could be alarmed by it.
If you are interested in knowing why someone might get the impression that you are "dangerous," you might read some of your posts objectively and see why.
One thing I do know is that you've been excessively cruel and degrading towards another forum member. I don't know her any more than you do, but she is not only a person who has a right to be treated with some diginity and respect, but she is representative of many others who have aborted and who regret that terrible decision.
I disagree with her about some of the same things you do, but that doesn't give me any right to be cruel to her about the mistakes of her past.
I don't see what you do to her as anything but a cruel sport. I don't see it as anything that is for any greater cause than for your own enjoyment and entertainment.
I'm trying to give the board owner here the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he doesn't know all that is going on here. I cannot believe a Christian man would allow someone to be verbally abused and degraded in his own home.
So to be clear, I don't call what you did stalking and I regret making that comment. But I do not regret stating my opinion that you have been cruel, harrassive, and malicious on this board, and that IMHO, it's not for the babies but for you, and it does not do anything good for the prolife cause.

reply from: faithman

This is a reminder to posters. The above post was copy and pasted from the moderators thred. Weenie is not involved with LDI in any official capasity, as this post may imply. It was very dishonest for weenie not to post that fact.

reply from: Weenie

I did not intend to be deceptive. I thought it was obvious where that post came from--the top thread in this forum.
And no, I am not associated in any way with this forum in any official way, praise be to God.

reply from: ChristianLott2

OK, it was general information of a personal nature which could be traced to the OP's home town.
You don't think that's offensive? Yes or no?
It was also believed the child wasn't being reported to the appropriate authorities and the OP did nothing to clear this up.
Was this person posting personal information about someone else?
I don't know about this teddybearhampster thing.
She's twisted. I can't begin to fathom her motivations. Noting her past posts about aborting young girls though, she's definitely pro abortion.
because she follows those statements with contradictions, thus she's a hypocrite:
1. women don't know how to reason
"This statement is false."
2.Born life is just as important as unborn life
pro life....
3.The girls needs override the babies
pro abortion...
4.I am pro life
pro life...
5.and abortion is an option
pro abortion...

reply from: MrBill

I'm brand new here. This is an interesting thread. Absolutely no valuable information it at all. If there is a devil, I am sure he is delighted to see the infighting among people who are supposed to be united on an issue.
I just got here, so I am sure this isn't the tone of every thread.
BTW, a liars biggest fear is that they will be found out.(I'm lying-the biggest fear is that the lie won't work, or is it that maybe...)

reply from: Weenie

I saw a link to that thread somewhere and skimmed through it, but don't remember everything about it.
All I do remember was something about a very young pregnant girl--I think 10 years old.
How is it that her home town is common knowledge?
The details were sketchy. Why were we to assume that this child would have been in danger?
I agree with you that she is not or was not espousing a consistent pro-life position. There should be no exception and there is no reason for abortion.
However, she has been doing good work to further the pro-life cause, such as working to prevent women from aborting, and helping to heal those who have, which could prevent them from making the same mistake again.
If she is a pro-choicer, then if we could get all pro-choicers to follow her example, abortion would all but stop.

reply from: faithman

Unity for unity's sake is a farce. People who are really interested in the plight of woub children are united. We just don't cotton to preborn child killers, and phonies who undermine the issue with straw men, and bogus stories. House cleaning is a good thing, and posts like yours, from a bort head troll actually lets us know we are on the right track.

reply from: ChristianLott2

killer said she lived in her hometown and killer's hometown is common knowledge.
The child's situation had not been refered to the proper authorities. Go back and actually read the thread before you comment on it.
"There should be no exception and there is no reason for abortion."
I agree, she doesn't. I'm prepared to fight against her exceptions. At what point will you stop making excuses for her excuses?

reply from: yoda

OH LIB....... where is your apology, LIB....... you got some 'splain to do....

reply from: yoda

But you see no harm in someone claiming to be prolife and espousing such positions, right? Perfectly harmless, right? No danger to the babies, right?

reply from: faithman

But you see no harm in someone claiming to be prolife and espousing such positions, right? Perfectly harmless, right? No danger to the babies, right?
Take it easy on the weenie. It seems to have a prob with the fact that phonies often hide behind their "good works". And having been caught in a lie, what makes us think that some of CM's other posts aren't the same? The story was told to draw attention to herself, as has been everyone of her posts. It is the same reason she slaughtered 3 children. Selfishness is a very distructive agent. It murders innocents, and the truth.

reply from: yoda

Yeah, I'm sure he must be in shock to find his hero has feet of clay.....

reply from: Weenie

But you see no harm in someone claiming to be prolife and espousing such positions, right? Perfectly harmless, right? No danger to the babies, right?
I see this situation as a mixed bag, and it's unfortunate that there is not a 100% prolife position. But I see good being done in other areas that more than compensates for errors.
I am "on paper" 100% pro-life, but I'm not an activist, and the most I do at this time is vote for prolife candidates. If CM is out there counselling and saving babies, even though not 100% in alignment with the prolife position, I can't help but think she is much more pro-life than I am.
As Jesus would say, "By their DEEDS you shall know them."
So she is preaching some errors, though embracing most of what is good, and is actually doing works to save those in harm's way, so I think that covers over a multitude of sins.
And there is no evidence that she is encouraging anyone to abort.
Meanwhile, you could in kindness and with respect refute her errors as you see them.
At the very least, disagreements should not be a reason to repeatedly throw her own abortions in her face over and over again. It's clear she regrets them, and unfair and cruel to call her a "killer."

reply from: faithman

Yeah, I'm sure he must be in shock to find his hero has feet of clay.....
Ok... Take the gloves off. Weenie butt nuggett deserves everything it gets!! I don't care how many "good works" a person does, when they hold unjust positions, those positions need to be refuted, and held in the greatest contempt.

reply from: nancyu

Which was Cm's fault for posting the lie in the first place. If you don't want your friend to be attacked advise her to have some integrity and we will have respect for her. I won't play smiley faces with a lying pro abort wad of tissue, painted up pretty to look prolife.

reply from: Weenie

Yeah, I'm sure he must be in shock to find his hero has feet of clay.....
Ok... Take the gloves off. Weenie butt nuggett deserves everything it gets!! I don't care how many "good works" a person does, when they hold unjust positions, those positions need to be refuted, and held in the greatest contempt.
Do you know anything about Amish people?
I used to live in an area where there were lots of them, though I never got to know any of them personally.
I could find all kinds of holes in their theology if I wanted to, but the bottom line is that these people embrace Christian principles, and especially show the world the concept of forgiveness, as they demonstrated so beautifully the way the responded to those shootings in Lancaster, PA.
On paper they might not be 100% Chrsitian, but their deeds and actions demonstrate much more Christianity than many of those who have 100% of the Christian truths.
Actions speak much louder than words.
To allow for abortion in the case of rape is an unjust position.
To allow for elective abortion for any reason other than rape is an unjust position, and is much more unjust than in the case of rape, since 100 times as many or more would perish that way.
If I were to be opposed to elective abortion, but in favor of abortion in the case of rape, I would be embracing an injustice but would also be embracing a just position as well, and would be opposing the greater injustice.
Would you rather a person be entirely in favor of abortion than to oppose 99% of abortions and make an exception for rape?
At any rate, it appears that CM no longer supports abortion as an option for rape.
And actions do speak louder than words in this case as well. Working with women and preventing abortions is pro-life in action.
So I hope and pray that one day she embraces the prolife position in its entirety, but meanwhile, I can't help but appreciate the good works, the hundreds of people now living who would be dead, the willingness to share her story, and the fact that she opposes at least 99% of all abortions and sees them as an injustice.
Why not look at the positive for a change?

reply from: Weenie

Which was Cm's fault for posting the lie in the first place. If you don't want your friend to be attacked advise her to have some integrity and we will have respect for her. I won't play smiley faces with a lying pro abort wad of tissue, painted up pretty to look prolife.
She admitted her error and even faithman said it was over. Do you have a real prolife message or is your mission to harrass and degrade CM?

reply from: ChristianLott2

you love carole. we know. who cares?

reply from: Weenie

you love carole. we know. who cares?
Whatever...I don't know who she is, where she lives, what she looks like. I know as much about her as you do.
I love that she has made huge sacrifices to help save babies from abortion and that she is able to respond to the most hateful comments without being hateful in return.
I support her not just as CM but as the representative of many other postabortive woman who are sorry for what they've done and now are working so hard to prevent others from doing likewise, and I'm appalled that some prolifers look past what is good, and continue to dredge up mistakes from the past.
My concern is the bad name that some people give prolifers by being so hateful. I think they are harmful to the prolife cause.

reply from: micah

I love how obsessed all the pro-lifers are with CarolMarie. She is a celebrity here, for better or for worse. She's the pro-life America forum Paris Hilton.

reply from: 4given

Welcome to Weinerschnitzel.. can I take your order?

reply from: ChristianLott2

Whatever...I don't know who she is, where she lives, what she looks like. I know as much about her as you do.
Exactly, so why have you placed all your trust in a hypocrite and liar?
She's a liar and hypocrite. Why do you trust anything she says? Why do you refuse to see her hate and your own?
It's a mistake to trust a hypocrite and liar and I will continue to advise others not to.
carole should either repent or speak honestly in favor of abortion without hiding behind lies and hypocrisy. You should do so as well.

reply from: Shenanigans

Does she carry a little fuzzy foetus in a hand bag with a diamond studded umbilical cord?

reply from: yoda

Ah, you are being "voluntarily blind" once again...
She has over and over endorsed the abortion of rape babies, babies of very young girls, and embraced proabort positions at every turn.....
You may become permanently blind if you keep this up, weenie.....

reply from: yoda

Yes, I do. I used to belong to a Mennonite Church. I knew a lot about Amish theology and practice, and I very much resent your comparing cm to those very nice folks. None of them ever, ever supported abortion in any way.

reply from: yoda

Well let's see... if that is actually true, then all you know about her is what SHE TELLS YOU ABOUT HERSELF....... so, coming from an admitted liar, how reliable do you suppose that is?

reply from: yoda

I don't know about that, but I think micah does......

reply from: nancyu

Which was Cm's fault for posting the lie in the first place. If you don't want your friend to be attacked advise her to have some integrity and we will have respect for her. I won't play smiley faces with a lying pro abort wad of tissue, painted up pretty to look prolife.
She admitted her error and even faithman said it was over. Do you have a real prolife message or is your mission to harrass and degrade CM?
Sorry weenie, I've had one on one conversations with carolemarie which demonstrated to me that she is dishonest. I don't believe anything she says. I see no positives to focus on with regard to her.
Of course my main goal is to end abortion completely. But I don't have a problem with being unkind to carole because she continues to be unkind to the unborn persons of the world by not even recognizing them as such.
You can continue to defend her until your dying day for all I care. But she is an enemy to the unborn child, and therefore my enemy. So don't talk to me about kindness, civility, cordiality, or mercy toward cm, until she starts showing the same for the unborn children who are being slaughtered as we type.

reply from: Shenanigans

Its not the only think micah has a bag of...

reply from: yoda

Well worth repeating.......

reply from: Weenie

Was she an enemy or friend to the unborn she saved via sidewalk counseling?

reply from: Banned Member

Is counseling the same as opposition? Sorry, but Carol has zero credibility with this forum member. Neither does Vernon, Faramir, SpringHillJack, Weenie... etc.

reply from: nancyu

Yeah. What Augustine said.

reply from: nancyu

Was she an enemy or friend to the unborn she saved via sidewalk counseling?
Show me proof that she saved one single child from abortion.

reply from: Weenie

Was she an enemy or friend to the unborn she saved via sidewalk counseling?
Show me proof that she saved one single child from abortion.
Do you deny she has saved even one?
What is faithman's proof she is "the killer of three"?

reply from: Weenie

Conseling is real work, and real opposition, unlike just posting words on the internet.
Anyone can talk.

reply from: faithman

Was she an enemy or friend to the unborn she saved via sidewalk counseling?
Show me proof that she saved one single child from abortion.
Do you deny she has saved even one?
What is faithman's proof she is "the killer of three"?
Other folks who know her out side the forum. Of course she very well could have lied to them as well. Who can really believe anything she has to say anymore?

reply from: faithman

Conseling is real work, and real opposition, unlike just posting words on the internet.
Anyone can talk.
And anyone can waist our time and money by getting material they never intended to use...... CM's suposed saves happened while using IAAP cards by the way, or did you miss her post to that fact? According to your line of reasoning, doesn't the posible thousands of womb children saved by IAAP make up for my lack of civility?

reply from: Weenie

Was she an enemy or friend to the unborn she saved via sidewalk counseling?
Show me proof that she saved one single child from abortion.
Do you deny she has saved even one?
What is faithman's proof she is "the killer of three"?
Other folks who know her out side the forum. Of course she very well could have lied to them as well. Who can really believe anything she has to say anymore?
One lie means everything is a lie then?
She lied about having three abortions?
Lied about sidewalk counseling?
Lied about the "tea and chocolates"?

reply from: Banned Member

I am not going to defend anyone who thinks that 14 year old girls have the right and maturity to have sex with grown adults. That might seem right to a former teen prostitute, but it doesn't wash with normal everyday people!
What is your problem with this Faramir? If these are all just words, than why do you worry yourself about the words that people use with CarolMarie? Why do you have such an attachment to this woman?

reply from: Weenie

Conseling is real work, and real opposition, unlike just posting words on the internet.
Anyone can talk.
And anyone can waist our time and money by getting material they never intended to use...... CM's suposed saves happened while using IAAP cards by the way, or did you miss her post to that fact? According to your line of reasoning, doesn't the posible thousands of womb children saved by IAAP make up for my lack of civility?
Whatever good works you do of course goes against the bad in other areas. Nobody is perfect, and it doesn't hurt to look at the good and accentuate that instead of nitpicking the negative. But I don't know about that side of you. I only know you by what I see here. If you have been involved in helping save the unborn from destruction, then you are doing noble work. But all I see is "faithman" whose main job here seems to be hounding another poster relentlessly.
And it's not just "lack of civility," but outright cruelty, which then instigates your buddies to see a juicy target, and pound on her too. It's a pretty nasty picture you guys paint, and it makes prolifers look very bad. More importantly, IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING TO STOP ABORTION. It's just meanness for the sake of entertainment.
Anyway, you know that CM has used your cards, so you know she is using them for good, and using them to try to stop abortions.
How can we call her an enemy of the unborn while she is striving to save the unborn?
Why not as an experiment of just for the fun of it, find something good about her or what she does and comment about that?

reply from: Weenie

Your statement is dishonest, because she has made it clear she recognizes the unborn as persons.
Do you believe kindness should only be expressed towards the kind? There is no virtue in that. Are you a practicing Christian, and do you believe what Jesus said?

reply from: Banned Member

Actually she has not done that.

reply from: Weenie

Please stop with the false accusations. I expect better from a fellow Catholic.
I have no motivation other than pointing out the injustice that is being done here in the name of Christianity and in the name of the unborn.
It was wrong for you in this post to make such a nasty dig about someone's past of which they have repented. Where did you learn this cruelty? Not in the catechism, for sure.
Now please quote the post where she says 14 year olds have the right to have sex with adults. I find that idea to be outrageous as well, but would like to see it in context.

reply from: Banned Member

http://https://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=6008
Shall I go on?

reply from: Weenie

http://https://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=6008
Shall I go on?
I don't agree with any of that.
I think she's trying to see the practicality of the situation, however, and is not approving of it. She's a Christian, so she would not be showing approval of any sexual activity outside of marriage.
But even though I would agree a 14 year old "might" have an idea of what she is doing, and then again, depending upon maturity, might not, an 18 year old man is much more mature and could easily be a predator, so I strongly disagree that he should not be held accountable for taking advantage of someone so young.
I think you misunderstand me and some of my posts about CM.
They are not because I agree with everythign she says, because I certainly do not.
My issue is that she has been treated like a pile of crap, and ganged up on, and I think that's very wrong.

reply from: churchmouse

weenie you know that all you have to do is to look back over the past year at all Faithman has said....you would see that he is a dangerous, unstable person.
But weenie....Faithman, yoda, Lott do it for enjoyment. They like to do what they do.
I am so glad you are here......so glad. Because you can see the ungodly way Faithman and group act and you call them on it. But you are wrong about one thing.......its not over, not with this group. As long as carole is here, she will be verbally abused. Annd using profanity and namecalling is that groups style.
You know I agree with you. And when I run into him at our next convention if he comes.....I will ask him, I can promise you that. He might not return my questions here....but maybe in person he will be more likely to answer.
Maybe he is not Christian at all. I doubt he is.
And spinwiddy for once I agree with you. Faithman has been plainly clear about how he feels about those who have had abortions.
Ya think skippy? And you should get down on your hands and knees and ask Gods forgivenss for the way you act on here.
The fact is.......Yoda is a hater, nancy is a hater, Lott is a hater and Faithman is the worst hater of them all. That will never change on here. It is a game for them.
And show us proof that you, yoda, Lott or Faithman have saved one either?
Your pathetic.

reply from: Weenie

Like yoda said, one of the reasons the owner created this board is for entertainment.
So the boys need to have some fun, don't they?
Boys will be boys and some boys get their jollies by punching girls.
Just have your headgear and padding ready, because you're next if CM ever leaves.

reply from: Weenie

Actually she has not done that.
Sure she has. And more than once.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Ya think skippy? And you should get down on your hands and knees and ask Gods forgivenss for the way you act on here.
'The way I act'? Could you be more specific?
This word you like to abuse 'hater'. Do you think God wants us to love or hate evil?
And show us proof that you, yoda, Lott or Faithman have saved one either?
Your pathetic.
We don't claim to save lives. We are attempting to, but we don't post self congratulatory threads like killer.
Let the hypocrite shut her mouth - that goes for you too, hater.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Actually she has not done that.
Sure she has. And more than once.
And she has lied and been caught more than once, way more than the four separate occasions I note in my sig. We've had enough of hypocrites. Being a faux life hypocrite is worse than being a hypocrite and liar about any other thing. This is about murder. People like you, so wiling to forgive and forget reveals just how lightly you take this subject. Go away.

reply from: yoda

What is the source of that claim? The word of an admitted liar?

reply from: yoda

Got a link?
Want to see some of the posts in which she says she absolutely opposes personhood for the unborn?
"Weenie" really fits you....

reply from: yoda

Exactly. Weenie is 100% concerned with being cm's bodyguard, and 0% concerned about saving lives.

reply from: churchmouse

Bring it on.
The uchristian words you use to attack and bash people.
We are to flee evil. We should all flee you guys that is what we should do.
Could you do me this......find me examples where Christ uses words towards sinners like you guys do here. Other than Viper.......what does he use to describe a specific person?
What name did he call the prostitute? Did he every use scanc? whore?
Everything we say and do should first honor God. We give Him glory and honor first. Is that what you guys do? You do the opposite. You do not seek to lead the lost to Christ. You do not speak in kindness. You do not love your enemy. He did command this did He not?
Oh I believe Faithman claims to have saved hundreds.
How am I a hypocrite?

Then if you feel she has done this......do something about it. But do it with kindness and compassion. Address it with scripture. You do know what scripture I am talking about dont you?
LOtt......answer these.
1. ARe you a Christian?
2. If you are, does God ask you nicely to forgive, or does He command you to forgive?
3. Do you take Christs words seriously, or are yours more important?
4.Did God say love your enemy? Do you do this?
5. Do you give God glory by beating people up?
6. What did Jesus accomplish on the cross, do you have any idea?
If Christ forgave you, your sins, how can you NOT forgive others? Did you know hate and unforgiveness separates you from God?
We are supposed to grow in loving people...with the same love that Christ has for us.
I just read the book the Shack and although its not scripturally sound doctrine the author does make some incredible points.
He said that forgiveness is not about forgetting, its about letting go of the other persons throat.
You guys need to let go of caroles throat. And he is right. Unforgiveness and hate will destroy your joy and your ability to love and reach out to people the GODLY WAY.
yoda I am curious, what do you do to save unborns lives? LOL
You sit on this forum day and night. You have more posts, 20,000+ than anyone else.....what do you do for the unborn? Do you bash people in person like you do on this forum? Or do you just hate carole so much that you have made it your lifes desire and goal that you take her down if not physically, verbally? Do you feel better after you do it?
At least come clean with your true motives. You didnt use to be this hateful, what happened?

reply from: faithman

Exactly. Weenie is 100% concerned with being cm's bodyguard, and 0% concerned about saving lives.
Yepper, this issue is about the womb child. It is life and death. That is the focus. Not post abortion, nor twisted selfrighteouis religious views. It is about the womb children. But some just have to smear their personal agendas over everything they touch.

reply from: churchmouse

LOL
Just cant face the real truth can you faithman.

reply from: faithman

Exactly. Weenie is 100% concerned with being cm's bodyguard, and 0% concerned about saving lives.
Yeah, maybe I will put the weenie on ignore, just like I have the empty headed women who try to usurp authority over men.

reply from: Weenie

What is the source of that claim? The word of an admitted liar?
Do you believe she gave out "tea and chocolates" as you so often brought up?
I take everyone who posts here at their word as much as possible.
I can't prove or disprove anything, and I'm not about to go behind the scenes to find out who is telling the truth or not in each instance, though I have good reasons to suspect one prominent poster here made a sock puppet and made a false story about a pregnancy, which is a lie, and that you flat out lied to me in a PM, which was wrong, but that doesn't invalidate everything else you and that other poster says.
But if you must take the position, which I think is not reasonable, that one lie means everythign is a lie, then accept it all or reject it all. Be consistent.
If everything is now "a lie" then so are the three abortions and so is everying she says that you disagree with. It would also be a lie that she asked for cards from fman, but fman admits she did, so whoops, there's something that's true.
As far as I'm concerned, she told a story that was false, but in no way harmed anyone, and was not used as a way to make a point that abortion is acceptable in this case. That particular "lie" didn't bother me because it was harmless, there was no intent to harm, and was more of a hypothetical.
But whatever I think, the bottom line is that she admitted it and apologized. As faithman said, that should be the end of it, and I agree with him in this case.

reply from: Weenie

Exactly. Weenie is 100% concerned with being cm's bodyguard, and 0% concerned about saving lives.
It's not about CM personally. I would do the same for Churchmouse or anyone else here that is mercilessly attacked and abused, or has their position distorted constantly.
It's about the principle, not the person, and one principle is that someone who is saving babies should not be attacked by prolifers.

reply from: faithman

You can believe all that crap if you want to, but the major reason this forum exists, is for pro-lifers to net work, get armed and get busy. It does not say "post abortive forum". If we can not confront the phonyness in our own ranks, we are doomed to another 36 years of dead babies. It is your "nicer than Jesus" attitude, that has done more to keep abortion on demand legal than anything Planned Parenthood has ever done. We have placed no ones life in jeapardy, and that is only a passive agressive ploy to bully people into silence. I could really care less whether you like what I say or not. I could really care less whether phony little scancs are exposed for liars, and the under cover bortheads that they are. I guess you would rather people waist time praying for a phony story, than doing real work, in real time. People are going to do what they are going to do. So don't put all this unfounded burden on anyones shoulders, other than those who do the deed. If you kill your children, you are a murderer, not a hero. If you continue to advocate the destruction of womb children, then you are a low life pro-death scanc. If you want to use that statment as an excuse to kill your children, that is on you, and I rather doubt anyone is "lurking" around this site if they have murder in their heart. And if you are, hear me very clearly!!!! You are a pro-death scum bag scanc murderer, who deserves to be in prison. You want an excuse to kill your children, then any one of a million will do. I ain't out to reason with killers. I am here to defend the ones they intend to kill. Don't like the way I go about it, to bad.

reply from: yoda

Who cares?
Get back on your white horse, pull your head out of it's arse, and ride on out of here.

reply from: faithman

Who cares?
Get back on your white horse, pull your head out of it's arse, and ride on out of here.
Gets really old... All we have to go on is the killer's word... and of course we all know what that is worth.....

reply from: Weenie

Who cares?
Get back on your white horse, pull your head out of it's arse, and ride on out of here.
Gets really old... All we have to go on is the killer's word... and of course we all know what that is worth.....
Have you ever made another profile and posted here pretending to be someone else?

reply from: yoda

Desperate to change the subject, weenie?

reply from: churchmouse

Yeah, maybe I will put the weenie on ignore, just like I have the empty headed women who try to usurp authority over men.'
You are an ungodly man and it shows. Its not about upsurping authority. You are not saved, by all appearances here. You need to be witnessed to.
I am not trying to teach you anything. I am trying to spread the gospel and that is something you have no clue about. Its what you run from Faithman.
God commanded his believers Faithman to witness the good news. The Good news is Jesus Christ. Try it sometime.
Hiding from a women.......lmao. I am flattered.

reply from: Weenie

Desperate to change the subject, weenie?
It seems that you are.
Apparently more than one lie has been told around here, huh?
But that's ok, that lie or the lie you told me in the PM does not mean I would think everything else is a lie.

reply from: nancyu

And show us proof that you, yoda, Lott or Faithman have saved one either?
[have we made any such claims?]
Your pathetic.
[more loving words, makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside]

reply from: nancyu

Actually she has not done that.
Sure she has. And more than once.
NO SHE HAS NOT.
I have challenged you before and you failed that time. Try again:
SHOW ME ONE POST WHERE SHE USES "UNBORN CHILD" AND "PERSON" IN THE SAME SENTENCE.

reply from: Weenie

Actually she has not done that.
Sure she has. And more than once.
NO SHE HAS NOT.
I have challenged you before and you failed that time. Try again:
SHOW ME ONE POST WHERE SHE USES "UNBORN CHILD" AND "PERSON" IN THE SAME SENTENCE.
I'll let her answer for herself. I've got more to do then spend hours searching through threads.
I have seen her answer the question more than once, and am satisfied that she sees the unborn as persons.
If you have evidence she denys it, then post it.

reply from: yoda

Fine.... then let's both get back on the subject, shall we?

reply from: yoda

No you don't..... you told me that defending carole is your full time job, in that last PM you sent me......

reply from: faithman

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg

reply from: Weenie

No you don't..... you told me that defending carole is your full time job, in that last PM you sent me......
Have you lost your marbles?
I never said such a thing.
But I do remember a promise you made to me, and you broke it 15 minutes later.
There are things about you I don't like, but I did think you would honor your word and would be a man of your word.

reply from: churchmouse

Lets go to the source. I am not going to look through a million threads either.
Hey carolemarie........do you consider the unborn child a person. Does God consider the unborn as his creation, a person?

reply from: Weenie

Why would she regret her abortions if she didn't think persons were killed. Why would she say those children are in Heaven, if they are not persons?
I hope the Rat Pack hasn't finally succeeded in tarring and feathering her and running her out of town. She hasn't been here for awhile...

reply from: yoda

####### <---- crying towel for weenie.......

reply from: churchmouse

yoda do you have a heart? I mean were you born this mean?

reply from: ChristianLott2

In her own words - 'women don't know how to reason'.

reply from: nancyu

Are you saying that finding such a post would be difficult?

reply from: ChristianLott2

Are you saying that finding such a post would be difficult?
Of course. The other 999,999 posts were pro abortion.

reply from: churchmouse

Actually nancy what I am really saying is that your hate group keeps lists of everything....so why dont you provide a link since you are accusing her.
You say that she does not consider the unborn a person. Prove she said it.

reply from: Weenie

Are you saying that finding such a post would be difficult?
I think it would be easy for you to find a thread that proves she denies it since your rat pack has claimed that a zillion times.
Surely you have a basis for that and did not distort her words just so you could persecute and harrass.
You good people would do no such thing.
Show us the goods, please.
And also, please share the story of what it's like to live in a place where abortion is illegal. It must be nice. What is the name of your town? Does it start with "La La"?

reply from: carolemarie

Obvious an unborn child is a human being! I never said they were not human beings.
I am prolife because unborn children are people who have a right to live....don't be deliberatly obtuse Nancy.

reply from: Weenie

Could you be more specific regarding the word "person"?
There are pro-choicers who will say a fetus is human and so is their big toe.
Since you said "unborn CHILD" that implies person, since a child cannot be anything other than a person, and you called them "people" as well, and I don't think there are any people who are not persons.
But how do you answer this questions specfically, with a yes or a no?
Are the unborn "persons"?

reply from: carolemarie

Not that I am aware of....

reply from: carolemarie

Actually she has not done that.
Sure she has. And more than once.
NO SHE HAS NOT.
I have challenged you before and you failed that time. Try again:
SHOW ME ONE POST WHERE SHE USES "UNBORN CHILD" AND "PERSON" IN THE SAME SENTENCE.
Children ARE people. I can't be any clearer than that.

reply from: Weenie

Since you seem to have missed my question, CM, do you have any problem with the following definition for "people"?
1. Humans considered as a group or in indefinite numbers: People were dancing in the street. I met all sorts of people.
2. A body of persons living in the same country under one national government; a nationality.
3. pl. peo·ples A body of persons sharing a common religion, culture, language, or inherited condition of life.
4. Persons with regard to their residence, class, profession, or group: city people.
5. The mass of ordinary persons; the populace. Used with the: "those who fear and distrust the people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes" Thomas Jefferson.
6. The citizens of a political unit, such as a nation or state; the electorate. Used with the.
7. Persons subordinate to or loyal to a ruler, superior, or employer: The queen showed great compassion for her people.
8. Family, relatives, or ancestors.
9. Informal Animals or other beings distinct from humans: Rabbits and squirrels are the furry little people of the woods.
tr.v. peo·pled, peo·pling, peo·ples
To furnish with or as if with people; populate.

reply from: ChristianLott2

No she didn't. She knows what the personhood bill is all about.
weenie: "Are the unborn "persons"? "
killer : " Not that I am aware of.... "

reply from: faithman

Look at the lying scanc avoid the question. You try to hide behind the straw man of "Punishment" when all personhood ledgislation does is establish the womb child as a person, and effectively ends abortion on demand. Why would someone who claims to be SSSSSOOOOO pro-life vow to fight the end of abortion on demand? Maybe because you are actually a lying bort head in word and deed.

reply from: yoda

How sad.... even her staunchest promoter can't get a straight answer....

reply from: yoda

Especially since the plural form of "person" is "people"......... DUHHHHH...

reply from: churchmouse

CAROLEMARIE SAID
Thank you carole for clearing this all up. These guys just cant get it.
You do get this dont you nancy?
weenie.....come on, she answered it.
She called that which is in the womb a child. She did not call it a fetus or anything else. She called it a child. She said the child is a human being. She said the human being child has the right to live.
That is why she is pro-life.
You dont want to see or get what she is saying. Again your hatred consumes you.

reply from: carolemarie

I support making the performing of an abortion against the law and jailing and taking away the licence of any dr who performs one.
I would leave the exception for rape, incest and life of mother, because those three exceptions will make sure the bill gets passed.
I do not think rape vicitms or incest victims should get an abortion, or that abortion is in their best interest. I do think that America will not vote for a ban without those exceptions in the bill.
I see to many problems with personhood amendments, such as questions such as banning birth control and jailing women and other no exception for the mothers life....
Politics is the art of what is possible. in the current political climate, we should just be glad we are not being jailed for being prolife.

reply from: Weenie

Especially since the plural form of "person" is "people"......... DUHHHHH...
She said the unborn are "children" and that children are "people."
"People" or "persons" is the plural of "person."
What more is required?

reply from: Weenie

How sad.... even her staunchest promoter can't get a straight answer....
You misunderstand me. I don't promote her. I don't embrace those things she says that I disagree with.
I belived that she had been treated cruelly and disgracefully and I responded accordingly.
Errors or apparent errors do not deserve brutal personal attacks, imho.

reply from: 4given

Especially since the plural form of "person" is "people"......... DUHHHHH...
She said the unborn are "children" and that children are "people."
"People" or "persons" is the plural of "person."
What more is required?
I believe the issue is in regard to their protection (or lack of) under the same laws you and I have.. and also regarding "hard case" babies..

reply from: Weenie

Especially since the plural form of "person" is "people"......... DUHHHHH...
She said the unborn are "children" and that children are "people."
"People" or "persons" is the plural of "person."
What more is required?
I believe the issue is in regard to their protection (or lack of) under the same laws you and I have.. and also regarding "hard case" babies..
This was the result of an exchange I had with nancyu. She said CM never used "person" and the "unborn" together, as if CM does not see the unborn as people.
I think nancyu is wrong, and I think this proves it, since she did use the plural form of "person" along with "unborn."
The personhood legislation is a different issue.
There could be legitimate reasons to oppose it. I said "there could be" because I don't know anything about it. Just becasue "person" is in the name doesn't mean it's right as far as legislation goes.

reply from: 4given

No. I *think* that is the main issue. Again I don't kow.. the exceptions bit certainly create another..

reply from: Weenie

No. I *think* that is the main issue. Again I don't kow.. the exceptions bit certainly create another..
I don't know what is the main issue but there are two different issues.
Nancyu plainly said that CM does not see the unborn as people, has never admitted they are, and has not used "person" and "the unborn" together.
I hope she takes a look at this.
I understand nancyu might have issues with her about legislation, but her original comments were not about that.

reply from: yoda

Well, if one really believes that the unborn are "people", why would they oppose legislation to codify that simple truth into law?
Does maintaining a legal fiction serve some greater purpose, when the truth is being crushed along with the skulls of the unborn?
South Dakota proved that leaving in the exceptions she holds so dear does nothing to help chances of passage, their bill with exceptions went down with a greater margin than the one without.
So what are we left with? Carole doesn't want legal protection for babies of rape, incest, or pre-teen girls. She wants all of them to be subject to the "option of abortion", which seems important to her.
And you promote, defend, and praise her and her positions. What does that tell us?

reply from: Weenie

Well, if one really believes that the unborn are "people", why would they oppose legislation to codify that simple truth into law?
Does maintaining a legal fiction serve some greater purpose, when the truth is being crushed along with the skulls of the unborn?
South Dakota proved that leaving in the exceptions she holds so dear does nothing to help chances of passage, their bill with exceptions went down with a greater margin than the one without.
So what are we left with? Carole doesn't want legal protection for babies of rape, incest, or pre-teen girls. She wants all of them to be subject to the "option of abortion", which seems important to her.
And you promote, defend, and praise her and her positions. What does that tell us?
Your last sentence is incorrect. I don't promote and defend the positions she has taken that I disagree with, which are similar to yours.
My defense has been of her as a person, and not her ideas.
She's wrong about some things, just like some prolifers here are wrong about use of violence as a legitimate means to fight abortion, which causes equal or greater danger to the prolife cause.
Maybe some day she will change her mind. Apparently she has reversed herself about rape and incest. Meanwhile, I'm grateful that she works in the field with women to help prevent them from aborting. Whatever errors she might have in her thinking about legislation do not interfere with the babies she can and does save by counseling, etc., and those who are alive now because of her pro-life work are no less alive, in spite of her being a "pro-abort" in the minds of some.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Give her another chance and she will 'reverse' on all of her positions. That's why we call her a liar and a hypocrite.
Her flimsy excuse that it won't pass has been challenged numerous times. Not only will she not fight for personhood, she has vowed to fight against it. That's why I call her killer. If that's too much for you and churchrat etc, too bad.

reply from: Weenie

Give her another chance and she will 'reverse' on all of her positions. That's why we call her a liar and a hypocrite.
Her flimsy excuse that it won't pass has been challenged numerous times. Not only will she not fight for personhood, she has vowed to fight against it. That's why I call her killer. If that's too much for you and churchrat etc, too bad.
She has saved a lot of babies from abortion, so it's hard for me to see her as a "killer."
Her words on this board have killed no one that I am aware of, so I can't see any reason to call her such a thing.

reply from: yoda

There you go again, pretending things that just aren't so......
You're so very, very desperate to be able to defend her, no matter what she actually says..... how sad.

reply from: Weenie

There you go again, pretending things that just aren't so......
You're so very, very desperate to be able to defend her, no matter what she actually says..... how sad.
As I said in another post, if I'm wrong about that I stand corrected.
I saw another post somewhere by Teresa, I think, and she was congratulating CM for her new outlook.
I have no desire to defend what is untrue. If I'm mistaken I'll admit it, and will adjust my comments accordinly.

reply from: yoda

Weenie, look up on this page, to her post at 1:24, where she says "I would leave the exception for rape, incest and life of mother".
Do you need bigger type, or brighter colors to read that?

reply from: churchmouse

Today is Sunday, try not to hate.
I just love YOU LOTT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And yoda I remember about a month ago, carole changing her stance on abortion.

reply from: Weenie

Was that referring to legislation?
Legislation is another matter.
The most hardcore pro-choicer could say they see the unborn as persons/people/children and still want legislation to keep all abortion legal.
The issue I had been addressing is whether she has stated that she sees the unborn as persons, and I think she has adequately demonstrated that she does.

reply from: yoda

Yes, weenie.... because you keep saying she has "changed her position on abortion exceptions for rape and incest....." and she has not. Or at least, she has come back to her original position.
Her statements on the personhood of the unborn change so often that it makes no sense to try to keep up with them, but her position on the rape and incest exceptions are what they were to start with.
She also gave as a justification for supporting a rape exception that she thought that carrying a child of rape would be "icky"..... now, does that sound like a political strategy?
Face up to the truth, weenie, if you're man enough.... or even if you're woman enough.... she wants rape babies and incest babies to die.

reply from: nancyu

Carolemarie supports personhood. I was wrong and I apologize.
A page gone by, and still no one is up for the challenge.
JUJU!! GratiaPLana!!! where are you? yoohoo!
For the zillionth time: An unborn child is a person. And I have answered this over and over, but somehow it isn't able to sink in your head. Just because I think your bill has serious flaws, doesn't mean I don't think children in the womb are not people! If I didn't think that they were people, why would I bother with trying to talk their mom's out of having an abortion? The baby is a person, the Doctor is a person the mother is a person. All of us are people.

reply from: carolemarie

Today is Sunday, try not to hate.
I just love YOU LOTT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And yoda I remember about a month ago, carole changing her stance on abortion.
I did change my pov. I still believe to pass legislation we need to have the exceptions in the bills. That is just being practical.
I think abortion is wrong in all cases. I only support the health/life of the mother exception, but I will vote for the other excepttions to save the lives of the manority of babies.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Everyday is a day to speak the truth. There are no days when loving evil is okay.
What a phony you are.

reply from: Weenie

Everyday is a day to speak the truth. There are no days when loving evil is okay.
What a phony you are.
She meant that Sunday is a day of rest.
You seem to have a full time job of being angry, but you need a day off, too. On Sundays you could relax, go pick some flowers, or maybe do a kind deed for a kitten.
It won't be a waste of time. Come Monday, you'll be raring to go.

reply from: nancyu

Today is Sunday, try not to hate.
I just love YOU LOTT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And yoda I remember about a month ago, carole changing her stance on abortion.
I did change my pov. I still believe to pass legislation we need to have the exceptions in the bills. That is just being practical.
I think abortion is wrong in all cases. I only support the health/life of the mother exception, but I will vote for the other excepttions to save the lives of the manority of babies.
The manority? Obviously a typo, but what were you trying to say here?
Are all unborn children persons? Or are just some of them persons?

reply from: faithman

Today is Sunday, try not to hate.
I just love YOU LOTT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And yoda I remember about a month ago, carole changing her stance on abortion.
I did change my pov. I still believe to pass legislation we need to have the exceptions in the bills. That is just being practical.
I think abortion is wrong in all cases. I only support the health/life of the mother exception, but I will vote for the other excepttions to save the lives of the manority of babies.
The manority? Obviously a typo, but what were you trying to say here?
Are all unborn children persons? Or are just some of them persons?
The lying killer scanc is not prolife. She is a false voice that must be exposed as such. I don't care how much wool you pile on that killer scanc, she is still a womb child eating wolf. She loves nothing but herself.

reply from: yoda

Once again, we get the "health/life" exception...... which of course, means anything from hangnails to a bad hair day..... what a friend of the unborn....NOT!!
Why bother to claim to be prolife when you support abortion for "health" reasons? Are you really so ignorant that you don't know that means ALMOST ANYTHING?????
Oh, and btw, you will NOT vote for the "other exceptions" because YOU personally will never get a chance to do that...... that decision will be made by whatever legislature takes up such a bill. YOU will have nothing to say about that. So, you can stop pimping for those exceptions now, no one in the legislature will pay any attention to you.

reply from: ChristianLott2

I find it relaxing to come here and kick the snot out of pro aborts. You nor ratshack would know a thing about it though.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Beats job hunting.
You have no idea nor will you ever know what all I do in a day.

reply from: carolemarie

Life health exception means that ----your life, or medical treatment that if you don't get it could cost your life, such as chemo or losing a kidney or something major serious. Not a hangnail.
Get a grip.

reply from: yoda

I'm absolutely amazed at the depth of your ignorance..... and you're a prolife activist?
Doe v Bolton set the parameters of the "health" exception, and it includes all mental, psychological, and emotional conditions such as temporary depression, anxiety, etc., etc.
Get a grip yourself carole, and find out what the hell you're talking about before you say it.

reply from: ChristianLott2

I'm absolutely amazed at the depth of your ignorance..... and you're a prolife activist?
Doe v Bolton set the parameters of the "health" exception, and it includes all mental, psychological, and emotional conditions such as temporary depression, anxiety, etc., etc.
Get a grip yourself carole, and find out what the hell you're talking about before you say it.
'Mother's Health' has always been the loaded term. Why does killer act like it isn't an issue?

reply from: nancyu

I'm absolutely amazed at the depth of your ignorance..... and you're a prolife activist?
Doe v Bolton set the parameters of the "health" exception, and it includes all mental, psychological, and emotional conditions such as temporary depression, anxiety, etc., etc.
Get a grip yourself carole, and find out what the hell you're talking about before you say it.
'Mother's Health' has always been the loaded term. Why does killer act like it isn't an issue?
Hmm, I thought my apology might get a reaction from the [carolemarie] but it looks like [she] has me on ignore.
Drats.
It's funny that in her post which I found from last year she says the words "for the zillionth time..." yet I haven't seen her post that the unborn are persons; before or since then.
Here is what I find confusing: She wants exceptions to personhood.
Is an unborn child a person except when the mother's life or health in danger?
Is an unborn child a person except if the mother was raped?
Is an unborn child a person except it the mother has an awesome concert she really, really, really needs to attend but the noise might damage the hearing of the thing inside of her that is not a person?
How does personhood with exceptions even make sense? Maybe someone else would be kind enough to ask her to explain this to me.

reply from: yoda

Not necessarily. She just doesn't respond to "difficult to answer" posts.
I think she wants the unborn to be persons except when the mother does not want them to be persons, when personhood would be "inconvenient".
Why else would she support exceptions before she is even asked to? Why else would she say "carrying a rape baby would be icky"? Why else would she say all pregnant preteen girls ought to be aborted? Why else would she stick to the phony claim that abandoning babies of rape, incest, and preteen girls is "necessary"?
With her, it's all about the mother..... and nothing about the baby.

reply from: BossMomma

Or knocking chicks up and refusing to man up.

reply from: ChristianLott2

You would know what being a man is all about. You murdered one of your babies because it wasn't perfect and blamed the father so you could break up with him. Next time you come around telling lies you should look at your own first.

reply from: ChristianLott2

She had him murdered. The doctor knew she didn't want a deformed baby so she gave him the go ahead to murder him. Sick.

reply from: yoda

Spinweenie is "The Mudslinger":
She knows the truth is not on her side so she must use every opportunity to sling mud at anything that looks pro life. She has tried voraciously to come up with an argument to support her precious right to murder unborn children, but alas and alack she has found none.
So she slings away. She looks for the juiciest, chunkiest, smelliest pieces of mud she can find. She knows the fight is futile. She knows the unborn children are persons, and all the mud in the world won't change that. But by God if children are given the right to be born they will darned well covered with the smelliest, most putrid slop she can find!

reply from: Weenie

She had him murdered. The doctor knew she didn't want a deformed baby so she gave him the go ahead to murder him. Sick.
Where did you get this information?

reply from: carolemarie

I'm absolutely amazed at the depth of your ignorance..... and you're a prolife activist?
Doe v Bolton set the parameters of the "health" exception, and it includes all mental, psychological, and emotional conditions such as temporary depression, anxiety, etc., etc.
Get a grip yourself carole, and find out what the hell you're talking about before you say it.
'Mother's Health' has always been the loaded term. Why does killer act like it isn't an issue?
Hmm, I thought my apology might get a reaction from the [carolemarie] but it looks like [she] has me on ignore.
Drats.
It's funny that in her post which I found from last year she says the words "for the zillionth time..." yet I haven't seen her post that the unborn are persons; before or since then.
Here is what I find confusing: She wants exceptions to personhood.
Is an unborn child a person except when the mother's life or health in danger?
Is an unborn child a person except if the mother was raped?
Is an unborn child a person except it the mother has an awesome concert she really, really, really needs to attend but the noise might damage the hearing of the thing inside of her that is not a person?
How does personhood with exceptions even make sense? Maybe someone else would be kind enough to ask her to explain this to me.
Unborn children are people no matter how they were conceived. I have never not said that.
I personally belive that rape and incest abortions are a terrible choice for the mom as well as the baby.
But when it comes to making laws, I think we can't pass a bill without the exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother. That is why i support them.
It is a pragmatic thing, not an ideological thing.
Our country is deeply divided on abortion. We just elected a very proabort president overwhelmingly...

reply from: Yuuki

She had him murdered. The doctor knew she didn't want a deformed baby so she gave him the go ahead to murder him. Sick.
Where did you get this information?
He's making it up to smear her, because the thought of a strong, empowered female pro-lifer scares the hell out of him!

reply from: ChristianLott2

I'm making it up but I wasn't the first to lie, she was. Funny how weenie and yuki went to her rescue and ignored her attack at me.
Funny.

reply from: yoda

And yet, you don't want the law to state that. It's true, you say, but you don't want the law to state the truth.
No, you're afraid that such truth in a law will expose women to the loss of the use of BC pills and possible penalties for having abortions, and you think that carrying a baby of rape would be "icky".
So you just don't want the truth put into law. You'd rather have a law that is a lie.
What's surprising about that?

reply from: faithman

She had him murdered. The doctor knew she didn't want a deformed baby so she gave him the go ahead to murder him. Sick.
Where did you get this information?
He's making it up to smear her, because the thought of a strong, empowered female pro-lifer scares the hell out of him!
SSSSSOOOOOO being a turn key bully, a shack up for a bort head man and having children out of wed lock, a sloppy house keeper who leaves prescription drugs in reach of her "treasured" children, and efender of bortheads on this board is a "strong empowered woman"? I would say she is a silly feable minded woman who needs to be taught how to clean her house, take care of her children, and how to choose a mate that will take care of children insted of abandoning them. It this is supposed to be an example of a "strong empowered woman", we have good reason to be scared.

reply from: yoda

Spinweenie is "The Mudslinger":
She knows the truth is not on her side so she must use every opportunity to sling mud at anything that looks pro life. She has tried voraciously to come up with an argument to support her precious right to murder unborn children, but alas and alack she has found none.
So she slings away. She looks for the juiciest, chunkiest, smelliest pieces of mud she can find. She knows the fight is futile. She knows the unborn children are persons, and all the mud in the world won't change that. But by God if children are given the right to be born they will darned well covered with the smelliest, most putrid slop she can find!

reply from: Weenie

But not unexpected.
I asked him where he got the information that "Bossmomma killed her child."
That's not "running to the rescue."

reply from: BossMomma

You would know what being a man is all about. You murdered one of your babies because it wasn't perfect and blamed the father so you could break up with him. Next time you come around telling lies you should look at your own first.
Right, I aborted my child just so I could end what was a blissful two year relationship? Where is your proof of this? I know more about being a man than you do, I have and hold my job, support my household, went through sacrifice after sacrifice for my children and swallowed my own pain in the process. You are an unemployed, selfish, cowardly accessory to murder and couldn't hold a candle to me.

reply from: BossMomma

I'm making it up but I wasn't the first to lie, she was. Funny how weenie and yuki went to her rescue and ignored her attack at me.
Funny.
What lie have I told? Thus far you're the one spinning psychotic yarns.

reply from: BossMomma

He's definately a pitcher, I found one of his pics and apparently he likes going in the back door.

reply from: BossMomma

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<~
I saw that. The photographer really captured Faithman's good side.
Though I must wonder if fboy is actually the one with the vagina.

reply from: ChristianLott2

you're certainly not a woman.

reply from: nancyu

Could you be more specific regarding the word "person"?
There are pro-choicers who will say a fetus is human and so is their big toe.
Since you said "unborn CHILD" that implies person, since a child cannot be anything other than a person, and you called them "people" as well, and I don't think there are any people who are not persons.
But how do you answer this questions specfically, with a yes or a no?
Are the unborn "persons"?
I would like to withdraw my apology.

reply from: Weenie

The "not that I'm aware of" answer was to my post before I edited it.

reply from: Weenie

"Obvious an unborn child is a human being! I never said they were not human beings.I am prolife because unborn children are people who have a right to live....don't be deliberatly obtuse Nancy. "
I think nancyu needs to withdraw her withdrawal.

reply from: yoda

Nah, not really..... she's still supporting rape, incest, and very young age exceptions.... on the false basis of "politics"...... which has already been disproven in South Dakota. And she's stated that she thinks that carrying a "rape baby" would be "icky"....... so they deserve to die because they are "icky"....... no apology needed, IMO.

reply from: BossMomma

you're certainly not a woman.
yet I gave birth three times..go figure.

reply from: ChristianLott2

you're not a man either, go figure.
I guess you're just an idiot.

reply from: BossMomma

you're not a man either, go figure.
I guess you're just an idiot.
yet I'm the success between the two of us, go figure.

reply from: ChristianLott2

amazing what will pass for success nowadays..

reply from: BossMomma

amazing what will pass for success nowadays..
Well, considering that your an unemployed totally self involved bull shyte artist, I don't think you're the picture of success. I take it you're living out of your parents home? Or are you mooching off a friend?

reply from: yoda

That's actually very profound. You can tell just about everything you need to know about a person by knowing what they consider "success".

reply from: ChristianLott2

That's actually very profound. You can tell just about everything you need to know about a person by knowing what they consider "success".
Wyle E Coyote ... super genius.

reply from: churchmouse

You support abortion then for the baby born of rape and incest. I thought you changed your stance? Obviously you did not.
We need a law on the books that protects all unborn children.
Weenie if carole thinks the unborn are human beings then why would she not support a bill that exempted children born of incest or rape from protection?

reply from: carolemarie

I don't support abortion for rape and incest. I am acknowledging that in the current climate we will not get a bill passed that doesn't include those exceptions.
I would vote for a bill that banned abortion but left in the exceptions, wouldn't you? It would ban most every abortion except 2%. Then you can work on that 2%

reply from: nancyu

You never fail to make me shake my head and disbelief.
"I am for a ban without exceptions but it won't pass, therefore i won't vote for it."
I'm sure you must realize that if people such as yourself would vote for it, it would pass.
I just keep wondering, are you this dumb? Or are you just getting a laugh at the people who believe you are pro life.

reply from: yoda

Now now, don't be too sure.....

reply from: carolemarie

i would vote for a ban that just left in the life of the mother exception.
Trouble is there are no abortion ban bills introduced, making the discussion a moot point.

reply from: carolemarie

Most people want the three exceptions. They are for abortion in those cases. I don't agree with them. i am not for abortion in those cases, but i recognize the general public is.
I am making a pragmatic statement on an abortion ban. I supported the 24 hour waiting period. i support the ultra sound bill, and i would vote for a ban that had those 3 exceptions. I would vote for a ban that the only exception was the life of the mother as well.

reply from: nancyu

Actually she has not done that.
Sure she has. And more than once.
NO SHE HAS NOT.
I have challenged you before and you failed that time. Try again:
SHOW ME ONE POST WHERE SHE USES "UNBORN CHILD" AND "PERSON" IN THE SAME SENTENCE.
Children ARE people. I can't be any clearer than that.
Of course you can't. In order to be any "clearer than that" you would have to say UNborn chilren are PERSONS.
A pro abort is incapable of forming these words.

reply from: nancyu

No there is only an "unborn children are persons" bill. If you read the bill carefully it doesn't say "an unborn person is greater than a born person." So it should provide the perfect compromise between pro choice and pro life. But you pro aborts are just too afraid of the risk.
YOU COWARDS. LOOK at what the unborn are enduring. And you are afraid you might have to go to jail for a day or two. Or lose your precious b/c. Neither of which is even likely to happen.
It's more than obvious that what you are really afraid of that you will become parents before you're "ready." So you must have the option open to kill your children in the unfortunate circumstance that you do. Because adoption is such an unfashionable alternative.

reply from: yoda

The lack of any sense of urgency to stop the daily slaughter of babies is really, really sad. It's like "Oh well....."

reply from: carolemarie

I don't believe the bill has a chance of passing or getting the votes. Our nation elected Obama!
heck SD outright banned abortion, the gov. signed it into law, and the prochoice people were able to force it on the ballot and it was defeated....

reply from: yoda

And the bill that was defeated AFTER THAT ONE did have exceptions on it.
And it lost by a WIDER MARGIN than the one WITHOUT EXCEPTIONS.
Why are you having so much trouble understanding that?
Am I not making it clear?

reply from: BossMomma

No there is only an "unborn children are persons" bill. If you read the bill carefully it doesn't say "an unborn person is greater than a born person." So it should provide the perfect compromise between pro choice and pro life. But you pro aborts are just too afraid of the risk.
YOU COWARDS. LOOK at what the unborn are enduring. And you are afraid you might have to go to jail for a day or two. Or lose your precious b/c. Neither of which is even likely to happen.
It's more than obvious that what you are really afraid of that you will become parents before you're "ready." So you must have the option open to kill your children in the unfortunate circumstance that you do. Because adoption is such an unfashionable alternative.
So you lead by example Nancy, you stand in front of the nearest abortion clinic entrance and physically bar women from killing their babies and you spend a day or two in jail for assault and unlawful restraint. The rest of us will do things legally in the halls of congress.

reply from: faithman

No there is only an "unborn children are persons" bill. If you read the bill carefully it doesn't say "an unborn person is greater than a born person." So it should provide the perfect compromise between pro choice and pro life. But you pro aborts are just too afraid of the risk.
YOU COWARDS. LOOK at what the unborn are enduring. And you are afraid you might have to go to jail for a day or two. Or lose your precious b/c. Neither of which is even likely to happen.
It's more than obvious that what you are really afraid of that you will become parents before you're "ready." So you must have the option open to kill your children in the unfortunate circumstance that you do. Because adoption is such an unfashionable alternative.
So you lead by example Nancy, you stand in front of the nearest abortion clinic entrance and physically bar women from killing their babies and you spend a day or two in jail for assault and unlawful restraint. The rest of us will do things legally in the halls of congress.
You ain't going to do anything but live like a slob, and leave dangerous substances out for kids to get into. Don't even pretend that you are politically active.

reply from: nancyu

No there is only an "unborn children are persons" bill. If you read the bill carefully it doesn't say "an unborn person is greater than a born person." So it should provide the perfect compromise between pro choice and pro life. But you pro aborts are just too afraid of the risk.
YOU COWARDS. LOOK at what the unborn are enduring. And you are afraid you might have to go to jail for a day or two. Or lose your precious b/c. Neither of which is even likely to happen.
It's more than obvious that what you are really afraid of that you will become parents before you're "ready." So you must have the option open to kill your children in the unfortunate circumstance that you do. Because adoption is such an unfashionable alternative.
So you lead by example Nancy, you stand in front of the nearest abortion clinic entrance and physically bar women from killing their babies and you spend a day or two in jail for assault and unlawful restraint. The rest of us will do things legally in the halls of congress.
What the hell are you talking about?

reply from: yoda

Don't ask..... she has no idea....... she's just making it up as she goes.

reply from: churchmouse

Well we elected Obama but what would Bush do if he was still in office? He had eight years to do something and he didnt. He had control of the entire Federal government for six years......and what did he and the party do? To paraphrase Chuck Baldwin, he had the White House, the Senate and the House of Representatives.......and nothing. When Bush took office over one million unborns were being slaughtered alive each year. When he left office in January over one millions innocent human unborn children were slaughtered each year. Where were the unborn babies being saved? Not by anything Bush or his administration did. The Republican party has in the words of Chuck Baldwin, BETRAYED THIS CAUSE AND UNBORNS IN THE WOMB.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0_6VvQAmVk

Now he is telling the truth. And when he says all these pinheads are phonies he is right. Bush was a disgrace to the pro-life movement.
The Republicans have done nothing really for the pro-life causes.

reply from: carolemarie

Because people don't really want abortion banned. The vast majority are okay with it....hearts need to be changed....

reply from: churchmouse

You are right carole, hearts have to change.

reply from: faithman

http://www.christianlifeandliberty.net/2009-02-16-RTLActofSC-intro-corr.doc

reply from: nancyu

Sounds like Abby Johnson doesn't it? We shouldn't "get in a tizzy" over such a TINY percentage...


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