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by: nancyu

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reply from: churchmouse

THREATS ???????????????????????????
YOU ARE DANGEROUS. You have hated her and we all have seen this. You have abused her verbally and we all have seen this. We all can witness the hatred by you and yoda and nancy and lott that has happened on this board.
Carole left because she was afraid of you faithman. Afraid that you would come after her. And personally, I wouldnt doubt that you would. If your hatred is anything like you have shown on this board, I put nothing past you.
Many of us have all reported you and obviously nothing has happened. Who will be liable?
You verbally are a violent person. God help anyone that crosses your path.
You say you have not slandered her? LMAO LMAO LMAO
You have done worse.
Who do you think you are? Do you think that we all are afraid of you? You are nothing but a bully. A big mean ugly bully. You get your kicks off of hurting people. God help you.
There is enough proof on this thread to show the police your abuse. Enough evidence to show the police why carole left. And you cant hide either.

You said in a post that carole would NOT BE BACK. How did you know that?

reply from: Banned Member

Carol was very very stupid to post that story.

reply from: churchmouse

So you justify the treatment she got? Amazing Augustine amazing.
Never would have thought that about you. I said carole made a mistake.
But faithman is dangerous and you are blind if you cant see that in everything he said to her. HE HATED HER.
Amazing your comment.

reply from: 4given

I don't know.. do you?

reply from: 4given

Interesting.. treatment vs. the issue at hand. Are you blind to the problem/issue at hand?

reply from: Banned Member

I said, Carol was very very stupid to post that story.

reply from: 4given

Right.. I didn't read anything other than that.

reply from: ChristianLott2

I see. It's only okay for Yucky and cm to post threats and fman is not allowed to bust cm for lying.

reply from: 4given

I guess. I don't know. I am not familiar with their rules or anything really. I must have missed something..

reply from: SPRINGHEELJACK

HEY, I THINK CM IS GONE!
AND I WANTED SOME FUN! NO FAIR I DIDN'T GET TO USE HER AS A PUNCHING BAG TOO!
BUT THANK YOU NUTSYU. KEEP BRINGING BACK OLD STUFF LIKE THIS. EVEN THOUGH CM IS GONE WE CAN KEEP BEATING ON HER.
I AM SO HAPPY WE HAVE A BOARD OWNER LIKE MARK CRUTCHER WHO LETS US HAVE OUR FUN WITH THE POST-ABORTIVE. HE IS KEWL!

reply from: 4given

Return to us with love...

reply from: ChristianLott2

but you never left.
you're doing a fine job of it.
why are you beating up on nancy by calling her nuts?
'all work and no play makes jack a dull boy'?
I'm post abortive and I get beat up on. Why don't you defend me?
Tell us, is cm your mom?

reply from: SPRINGHEELJACK

WE ALL HAVE SEEN IT BUT BUT WE DON'T CARE, YOU NINCOMPOOP!
THE BOARD OWNER HERE IS DOWN WITH IT, AND HE LIKES HIS FRIENDS TO HAVE A GOOD TIME!
DON'T BE A SPOILSPORT.
THE REST DO SEE IT AND THEY LIKE IT--OR THEY ARE TOO CHICKEN TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
TOO BAD SHE GOT SCARED OFF. WHEN NUTSYU GETS BORED WITH DREDGING UP OLD STUFF, WE GOT NO ONE ELSE TO KICK AROUND...EXCEPT MAYBE YOU!!

reply from: SPRINGHEELJACK

but you never left.
you're doing a fine job of it.
why are you beating up on nancy by calling her nuts?
'all work and no play makes jack a dull boy'?
I'm post abortive and I get beat up on. Why don't you defend me?
Tell us, is cm your mom?
BOO HOO! BOO HOO! POOR ME!
CRY ME A RIVER FISH BOY.

reply from: faithman

WE ALL HAVE SEEN IT BUT BUT WE DON'T CARE, YOU NINCOMPOOP!
THE BOARD OWNER HERE IS DOWN WITH IT, AND HE LIKES HIS FRIENDS TO HAVE A GOOD TIME!
DON'T BE A SPOILSPORT.
THE REST DO SEE IT AND THEY LIKE IT--OR THEY ARE TOO CHICKEN TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
TOO BAD SHE GOT SCARED OFF. WHEN NUTSYU GETS BORED WITH DREDGING UP OLD STUFF, WE GOT NO ONE ELSE TO KICK AROUND...EXCEPT MAYBE YOU!!
No one "scared" the killer of three off. She just got caught in a little fib, and is too embaresed to post openly again as CM, because she know she would be asked questions she don't want to have to answere. But she is doing a fine job as springheeledjack. Must be a brand name for spike heeled whore shoes.

reply from: faithman

Now moma ACE... Don't "stalk" the phonies. They will just post more empty threts. Poor things gonna blow a fuse if we ain't careful.

reply from: sheri

You people are obsessed. Where the devil is Yoda to advise us to stop eating our own.

reply from: faithman

I was perfectly willing to let it drop. But now we have a PM crusade to entrap me. they don't have the guts to come into the light, but such is the way of creatures of gross darkness. Don't count me with the phonies, they are none of mine. The are twice the deadly enemy of the womb child, both in word and deed.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Maybe one of your own but I don't like hypocrites and liars, especially if they claim to be pro life.

reply from: ChristianLott2

suddenly this all makes sense.

reply from: BossMomma

That is true, but it still does not warrent the abuse she has taken from several people on this forum.

reply from: nancyu

That is true, but it still does not warrent the abuse she has taken from several people on this forum.
She seems to me to enjoy being abused. Otherwise why would she post lies.

reply from: nancyu

suddenly this all makes sense.
Told you it was weenie.

reply from: yoda

Once a weenie, always a weenie.....

reply from: Yuuki

You do not know all of the information pertaining to this issue, and you do not know the truth. Because of this, I have not been condemning or chastizing those who are only acting on the information they have received from Carole on this forum. However, Faithman's actions were inexcusable. This is not a simple case of someone being mean to someone else on the internet. Boo hoo, that happens all the time. The threat and the danger came from Faithman being so obsessed about Carole that he contact, by phone, real people that Carole knew in her home town in an attempt to slander her and hurt her. He took an online argument into the real world in a very frightening and threatening way for the victim. I would have been terrified too if someone I was debating with did something like that to me. I have been terrified of that in fact; my computer was hacked when I was 13 and the person knew my phone number and could have learned my address from that. My family had to change our phone number and I was grounded from the internet for months following the incident. More recently, I have experienced harassment and online stalking across a total of three separate forums where the person persisted in insulting me and revealing personal information.
I've never had any of these people actually contact me or people I knew by phone, and I'm very thankful it never happened. I completely understand Carole's terror, and that is why I do not and can not condone Faithman's actions. I can't understand why anyone else does, either. I never had anyone get as close to me as Faithman has gotten to Carole; I know I'd be wanting to change my address if he did!!

reply from: Yuuki

Carole is a human being, people. She is not just some anonymous punching bag for your enjoyment. She is a real person with real feelings and real fears. In today's world, with teens being killed by people they meet on MySpace and all of the identity fraud and everything else, how can you not understand the fear she has experienced? You would never do or say these things to someone you knew in real life; you would never hurt them in this way. I just cannot understand why people think it's okay to do these things online. Is it because you can't see her face? You don't know her, so it doesn't matter? People are going to be horrible online; okay, I get that part. But to do what Faithman has done... I'm sorry, it's just wrong.

reply from: ChristianLott2

You do not know all of the information pertaining to this issue, and you do not know the truth.
From this the only conclusion is that she was not lying but came on here telling a true story then told us she was lying to protect the identity of the family.
You, like kill - are either lying or talking too much. Why don't you just shut up? That's the real lesson here.
Big favor miss high and mighty.
fman was the only one here acting responsibly.
fman was obsessed about helping this girl by making sure this was done according to the law. CM was disobeying the law.
cm is always the victim. what about the girl? CM wrongfully posted it, fman follows up on it and now fman is the bad guy? You're about as honest as spinny.

the real victim was this little girl whose privacy Cm violated by posting her personal information on a public forum.
You should delete your posts as well because you're now in the position of defending the truth of her story. You and cm just don't get it.
don't post other people's personal information on a public forum. you infer more on this bogus defense of cm than you realize.

and this is what fman has done to you and carole, huh? cm has revealed her location here probably more than once. It's probably on her website. You are a dunderhead.
You and Carole should be scared. Stop posting other people's personal information.

reply from: ChristianLott2

she's a wad of tissue, like you.

reply from: yoda

she's a wad of tissue, like you.
Well, carole did say that unborn babies looked like a "blob" to her.....

reply from: ChristianLott2

she's a wad of tissue, like you.
Well, carole did say that unborn babies looked like a "blob" to her.....
Excuse, me - she's a blob of tissue and 'abortion is icky'.

reply from: Yuuki

I weep for the women who come here seeking help, see your abuse, and abort.

reply from: ChristianLott2

The feeling is mutual, though your 'abuse' is abuse of the truth through lies.

reply from: churchmouse

You can take responsiblity for that faithman. She could have very well have hidden what she wrote. Did she have to admit to the lie? No, she came clean with it.
It's more than you ever would do. But then you are perfect, right?
You are to stupid to know who springheeled is.
You are still callling her a whore. You are such an ungodly human being, I pity you. And you never let anything drop.
No one is trying to entrap you....we dont need to. You do that yourself on this board.
I AGREE TOTALLY. Faithman is a threat and a danger to carole. He is obsessed with her. OBSESSED. I believe he would go to any lengths to take her down. In fact I woudnt put it past Yoda or Lott.
Excellent post. Carole is a human being but to some here she was less than a human being, someone who should be treated in an inhuman way. She is not perfect and did not deserve the abuse she got. And those with a consciense would agree.
Lott. Carole lied, she admitted it. But what makes you think that faithman or anyone else is not lying here? You think with the hate and viciouness that faithman has shown on this site that he really is not dangerous?
You are a vile person. And one day you will have to answer for your filthy soul. God help you.
You dont know the truth lott. You woudnt know it if it smack you in the face. You parade around here trying to be a big guy but you are anything but. You are small......real small in the scheme of things. You are a hater. The evil one has you in His grips that is for sure.

reply from: Weenie

I have my doubts that she lied at all. I think there was something true about her story, and faithman's stalking scared her away, and calling it a lie was to get him out of prying into her personal life any further.
I don't know for sure, but that's my guess.
This is about the ugliest thing I've seen on a message board, and it's crazy that such ugliness can come from prolifers. Why do you suppose this board attracts the low-lifes? We really don't need their kind of help.
He wouldn't do such a thing now would he? He said she was humble and contrite and admitted the errors of her way, so he would drop it. I suppose he meant he would drop it for ten minutes, and his buddies were quick to pile on too--even without her being here.
It's especially troubling that he said he knew she would not be coming back to the board, and I am wondering how he knows this.
Agreed. I suggest we warn all the newbs here not to trust Faithman and give their personal information to him. His cards could be good tools, but until it can be demonstrated he is not a dangerous obsessive maniac, we should err on the side of caution, and should not be giving him or any of his friends any personal information whatsoever, and I think that should extend to the board owner as well. He is allowing this filth to pollute the board, and as long as he remains silent about it, he is showing approval, and should not be trusted.

reply from: ChristianLott2

I find you dangerous because you consistently lie about me and pro lifers in general. You are not one to be trusted that's for sure.
You are a vile person. And one day you will have to answer for your filthy soul. God help you.
Here we go again churchrat. You must see the hate you dish out for what it is. I don't deny that I hate.
Truth about what? Killer was a liar way before this. If you've got any more information than that, spill it. If not, quite whining.
Yes, I hate phonies and liars, hypocrites and pro aborts. I wouldn't need to 'parade' so much if morons like yourself wouldn't post such garbage.

reply from: ChristianLott2

You are not pro life, you are a pro abort defender. Your sole purpose is to lie about real pro lifers and champion your rat pack of faux lifers.
Liars like yourself find it necessary to announce you are leaving every few months or when the heat is on and you're backed into a corner, then come back under new names to attack again. How many new accounts do you need mr fearasmear socrates weenie springheeljackoff?
She's just as much a pro abort as she was before. She hasn't changed and neither have you.
He was probably hoping, like so many of us.
There's a sticky at the top of this forum about posting personal information. I suggest weenie newbs like yourself read it and don't be surprised when someone calls you on your stupidity if you use your personal information to help violate someone elses personal information like killercarole did. She is the one who violated that girls personal information and fman called her out on it like any decent concerned person would.
Lib, fearasmear, churchrat - you three are pathetic.

reply from: ChristianLott2

This quote from churchrat deserved it's own box:
Rat, you will always hold a special place for your viscous and pathetic attempts at slander. You are bar none the sleaziest rodent on this board.

reply from: Weenie

Rat, you will always hold a special place for your viscous and pathetic attempts at slander. You are bar none the sleaziest rodent on this board.
All three of your are obsessed.
I think Faithman is potentially dangerous and would use the babies as an escuse to harrass or intimidate someone, at least. I think you and yodavater would just egg someone on or just have fun calling names and the like. I don't think either of you would do anything, though you would probably enjoy watching.

reply from: Weenie

I think he's busy munching on a prolifer who refuses to kiss his butt.

reply from: nancyu

You do not know all of the information pertaining to this issue, and you do not know the truth.
From this the only conclusion is that she was not lying but came on here telling a true story then told us she was lying to protect the identity of the family.
You, like kill - are either lying or talking too much. Why don't you just shut up? That's the real lesson here.
Big favor miss high and mighty.
fman was the only one here acting responsibly.
fman was obsessed about helping this girl by making sure this was done according to the law. CM was disobeying the law.
cm is always the victim. what about the girl? CM wrongfully posted it, fman follows up on it and now fman is the bad guy? You're about as honest as spinny.

the real victim was this little girl whose privacy Cm violated by posting her personal information on a public forum.
You should delete your posts as well because you're now in the position of defending the truth of her story. You and cm just don't get it.
don't post other people's personal information on a public forum. you infer more on this bogus defense of cm than you realize.

and this is what fman has done to you and carole, huh? cm has revealed her location here probably more than once. It's probably on her website. You are a dunderhead.
You and Carole should be scared. Stop posting other people's personal information.
Well said ACE.
Some would think by reading this forum that carolemarie is the ONLY PERSON ALIVE who is a victim entitled to a defense. And she's not even a person -- in the whole sense.
What a bunch of pro carolemarie extremists. All they care about is protecting carolemarie and to hell with everyone else.

reply from: nancyu

Why?
BECAUSE IF SHE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH WHEN SHE SAID SHE HAD POSTED A LIE, THEN IT WAS STUPID TO POST A LIE.
IF SHE WAS POSTING A TRUE STORY, SHE WAS ENDANGERING THE PRIVACY OF A CHILD BY POSTING IT HERE. AND SHE SHOULD HAVE SEEN TO IT THAT IT WAS REPORTED TO THE AUTHORITIES INSTEAD OF LEAVING THAT TO FAITHMAN WHO WOULD HAVE NO NEED TO ACT IF SHE HAD ASSURED HIM THAT THIS HAD BEEN REPORTED ALREADY.

reply from: faithman

Rat, you will always hold a special place for your viscous and pathetic attempts at slander. You are bar none the sleaziest rodent on this board.
All three of your are obsessed.
I think Faithman is potentially dangerous and would use the babies as an escuse to harrass or intimidate someone, at least. I think you and yodavater would just egg someone on or just have fun calling names and the like. I don't think either of you would do anything, though you would probably enjoy watching.
It's kinda like wiping an invalids butt. Not a fun job, but a nessisary one. There is a lot of crap that calls itself prolife. But it simply isn't. Telling false stories, and suporting positions that allow the slaughter of children is not pro-life. Such things should be held in the greatest of contempt. The "name calling" [accurate discription in my book] is just a colorful way of expressing contempt. ....and it adds a little fun to a very hard, and difficult job. Now I have dropped the issue, and I am not the one who keeps bringing it up. But if the butt nuggettsd want to continue to play, let the games begin!!! But then we can all see that we are dealing with cowards. All they are is empty threats, twisted half truths, and general statment lies. All standard issue bort head tactics. What's that ole sayin about ducks?

reply from: faithman

You do not know all of the information pertaining to this issue, and you do not know the truth.
From this the only conclusion is that she was not lying but came on here telling a true story then told us she was lying to protect the identity of the family.
You, like kill - are either lying or talking too much. Why don't you just shut up? That's the real lesson here.
Big favor miss high and mighty.
fman was the only one here acting responsibly.
fman was obsessed about helping this girl by making sure this was done according to the law. CM was disobeying the law.
cm is always the victim. what about the girl? CM wrongfully posted it, fman follows up on it and now fman is the bad guy? You're about as honest as spinny.

the real victim was this little girl whose privacy Cm violated by posting her personal information on a public forum.
You should delete your posts as well because you're now in the position of defending the truth of her story. You and cm just don't get it.
don't post other people's personal information on a public forum. you infer more on this bogus defense of cm than you realize.

and this is what fman has done to you and carole, huh? cm has revealed her location here probably more than once. It's probably on her website. You are a dunderhead.
You and Carole should be scared. Stop posting other people's personal information.
The killer came here publicly posting informatiion. If I, the one you like to portray as the dullest bulb in the package, can figure things out, hoW long do you think the self proclaimed brilliant bortheads could have operated on the same info? I contacted FT Worth CPC's because the "story" made them vunerable to criminal investigation, and bort head attacks. Just by chance, I ran accross a CPC who knew the killer. The information I gave them was accurate. I have been open and honest about the steps I took to address the issue. The players on the CM side of this, are so caught up in their self importance, that they don't care who they violate with slanderous general statements, or who they make vunerable with their lies, told simply to draw attention to themselves. I posted every step I was going to take, well ahead of time. Stalking implies the use of stealth, not an open attempt to get at the truth. I have stalk no one, and the only thing the killer is terrified of, is being exposed as a phony. In that reguard mission accomplished, so I dropped it. But if the phonies want to play, as I have said, BRING IT ON!!! Or you can just keep playing these little games, insted of doing something that really protects women in crisis, and the womb child.

reply from: yoda

No wait....... I think she said that carrying a "rapist's baby" would be "icky"?

reply from: yoda

Oh cry me a river.... of your crocodile tears......
What kind of a b*t*h would abort because they didn't like how someone posted on this forum?
And I noticed you didn't say anything about crying for the babies..... you really don't give a damn about them, do you?

reply from: yoda

You truly are a "weenie"......... get your own avatar, Vernon..... the other one of the crazy guy suited you much better....... "springheel" was it?

reply from: yoda

It would appear that she is the leader of a coven of "fauxlifers" who are desperate to protect their leader.... or, she's posting under all those names herself......
Maybe she/they don't get paid as much by PP when their leader isn't posting?

reply from: yoda

Even in all caps, the fauxlifer mafia will not understand plain, simple logic.... all they know is that their hero has embarrassed herself and they are horrified......

reply from: Yuuki

Why?
BECAUSE .
I am not talking to you. But I have been requested by Carole to let this die, so I will.

reply from: yoda

I wonder if she also told weenie......... ???

reply from: ChristianLott2

Why?
BECAUSE .
I am not talking to you. But I have been requested by Carole to let this die, so I will.
And that's the only reason, not because you and your friends have seen that you are all horribly wrong.

reply from: faithman

I wonder if she also told weenie......... ???
She wants to let it die, because I don't bluff. If they want to keep this going, then I will get back in the game, and pursue it to the inth degree. Best for all the little killercarolites To take her suggestoin, and back off. I have childhood friends on the Ft Worth PD, and me thinks I will contact them about this issue. I think I have proven, that I don't bluff, or blow hot air. Best to just let it drop. But thats just me.

reply from: carolemarie

Once again, I appreciate those of you for trying to defend me. It is very nice of you. But I did lie about the story. That was wrong and I have apologized.
Now I am alarmed that I was able to be tracked down, especially by someone who hates me, and that is a bit alarming but nothing more has come of it, and I haven't had anymore phone calls from my friends, so I am figuring that I don't have to worry about it any longer, so I felt safer about coming back. And I don't feel like I am at risk anymore.
That being said I am really busy lately and don't have the time I use to to post.

reply from: faithman

You are entitled to your opinion, and "feelings" but you are not entitled to mine. Nowhere have I ever posted that I hate you. That is your opinion and take, with no concrete evidence to back it up. "nothing more has come of it" because I was true to my word. I didn't keep it ginned up, I merely responded to the twisted word, general statement campain launched against me over it. The only thing that was ever at risk was your phoniness. So don't play the victim card. You never were.

reply from: BossMomma

That is true, but it still does not warrent the abuse she has taken from several people on this forum.
She seems to me to enjoy being abused. Otherwise why would she post lies.
I dunno but she does seem to be a glutton for punishment otherwise she'd have had all you haters on ignore instead of trying to rationalize with you.

reply from: BossMomma

Why?
Because it was a blatant lie and it shot her credibility to shyte.

reply from: yoda

How naive can a person possibly be?
ANYONE who has ever done anything that is recorded on the web anywhere can be tracked down. You can't hide unless you live the life of a hermit.

reply from: Shenanigans

Oh cry me a river.... of your crocodile tears......
What kind of a b*t*h would abort because they didn't like how someone posted on this forum?
And I noticed you didn't say anything about crying for the babies..... you really don't give a damn about them, do you?
Plus, seriously, what pregnant woman questioning abortion as an option would come to an internet forum? Surely the big "PRO LIFE AMERICA" banner would be setting off alarm bells for her that she's not in an non-biased place.
Seriously?

reply from: Yuuki

Why?
BECAUSE .
I am not talking to you. But I have been requested by Carole to let this die, so I will.
And that's the only reason, not because you and your friends have seen that you are all horribly wrong.
Yes, that is the only reason. You do not know the whole truth.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Yet again you are implying the story was true. Can you just shut up about it? Either way cm was wrong and she was called out by fman for it.
Good job fman!

reply from: churchmouse

You mean Faithman, nancy and Lotts behavior?
They have been ugly and they know it. And others that have come to this board for debate have had to witness their behavior and how they treat post abortive women. They simply hate them. They call names and they cut their personhood down simply because they dissagree with something someone says. Its hatred on THEIR PART THAT HAS BEEN UGLY.
You do not know faithman very well. Stick around long enough and you will see hatred in action. Faithman and group, forgive? Not ON YOUR LIFE. They will never stop calling carole names.... whore, scanc, killer. And the sad thing is Faithman and nancy do it all in the name of Christ.
His cards bring him much joy. I think they should include one thing.....a link to faithmans words on this forum. His words of hate towards those that abort. People should see him in the light of HIS WORDS.
Me dangerous? I have said nothing threatening towards anyone on this thread and you know it. You say all this to take the focus of your hate mongering group.
Yes hating is such a good characteristic to have right? Your energy is consumed more in hating than by trying to convince (even the post nonrepentive woman that had an abortion) people that abortion in almost every circumstance is wrong. You have been allowed freedom on this board to hate and pounce and tear apart people.
Not one person has to say a word about your behavior here. It speaks for itself in every thread in every post you guys make. Its in evidence.
And Lott I am not slandering anyone. People can see who the dangerous ones on this board are.
You are blind nancy, absolutely blind. I dissagreed with carole on many issues and you know it. I stuck up for her because of your hatred and horrible words and the treatment she was recieving. She is a person and one who has ask Gods forgiveness. You cant comprehend that concept.
No one deserves treatment like she got.
She gave no names or any information about the child that I am aware of. Who knows what she did. FAithman instead....... went on a rampage and jumped to conclusions. He continues to hate her publically. If he really really cared he should have pmed her in private and told her of his concerns. Instead he made a big academy award winning production over everything. He could also have contacted Crutcher.
Faithman and goons took it on as another reason to crucify her.
Faithman is a repulsive person. This comment shows his heart.
faithman said,
Colorful way? Its an inhumane way to bash people. You are a human pit bull and you do not care about anyones feelings. And tearing people down is fun for you. It's a game. If you keep calling people names I am NOT DROPPING IT AND WILL CONTINUE TO CALL YOU ON YOUR UNCHRISTIAN ACTIONS. SOMEONE HAS TO STAND UP FOR THE POST ABORTIVE WOMAN. SOMEONE HAS TO POINT OUT THAT YOU DO NOT STAND ON SCRIPTURE EVEN IF YOU CLAIM YOUR A CHRISTIAN.
The coward here is YOU. You are the playground bully. You take on this role because your insecure.
You are the one who craves attention, because its all about you. Your views are the only valid ones on here, no one can come close to the work you do, the cards are the only tool any pro-lifer would need.......God help the person that even dissagrees with you.
You just dont get it yoda. You don't and you never will. You know my stance and you know it is nothing like caroles. I also at one time went after carole because I did not agree with her views. But realized that I was not acting godly.
I do have a leader you are right about that. His name is Jesus Christ. And HE says through scripture that I am to love my enemy and to stand for those weak and lost.
Carole is a human being yoda. Many of her views were wrong. But she did not deserve the treatment she got. And if you had a heart and any sort of decency then you would know that. Obviously you do not nor does your rat pack.
You are a hoot ya know that? You think you are just something dont you? You are so full of yourself. The killercarolites? LMAO friends on the police department? SO WHAT? SO WHAT?
Like what faithman, you going to report all of us? You threatening to turn us all in? Oh boy we are scared. Do what you need to do big boy. LMAO
You are so full of hot air its hilarious. Faithman the big FBI man........lmao
You are such a fake.
Bring it on honey.
WELCOME BACK CAROLE.

reply from: Banned Member

Mouse, on some level I appreciate your intentions. On the other hand I think that you would do well to save your righteous indignation for better causes. Why not conserve your anger for those who advocate the killing of the unborn? Why save your rebuke for those who by their silence and moral apathy cannot even condem the action of abortion, while paying lip service to the safety and welfare of the unborn child? Good actions with the wrong intentions can be as detrimental as outrightly bad actions with bad intentions. You think that Carol has been ill treated? Cry me a river! Try advocating the right of every child in every instance to be born, without exception. I have seen abuse in pro-choice forums that makes Carols abuse here look like a loving reprimand. And what defense did I receive? This is not a support group for post abortives who want to come here and argue that abortion is not murder because the law says that it is not. Stating that 14 year old girls have the right to have sex with adult men is not going to improve anyones standing either. Carol have come half way in her rejection of abortion which in essense places her with those who personally would not have an abortion, but won't condem anyone else who has one. Sound familiar? It's the usual viewpoint of any non-pro-life person walking down the street who by their complicent silence condones abortion. Excuse me, but if a person is not going to stand against abortion, they had better stand out of the way for someone who will stand against abortion. I would never seek to undermine the work of any post abortive woman who has accepted the truth of the brutality of abortion. But simply comforting the actions of those who have had abortion too often seems like one who is helping others rationalize perhaps what they may suspect already is a horrible thing. A person must confront the horrible reality of abortion before they can accept the horrible truth. I personally think that tea and chocolates does not really convey the correct spirit of confronting someone with a horrible reality. For some, like Faithman and Yoda, that kind of empty arbitration seems a horrible affrontry to both the unborn whom they are trying to save and to those others who are trying to save them. Perhaps it is better to consider who has the better intentions and who has the more conforming actions to others intentions. In other words, ask yourself, who has the better intentions, someone who is trying to save the unborn from grotesque injustice or someone who is simply comforting people for what they have done? If being confronted with the truth about abortion means that a woman may have to suffer alone in the silence of her conscience, than perhaps that is the only true trial by fire that will bring about a real pro-life conversion.

reply from: Weenie

This is a false dilemma you are presenting. It's not either/or.
If you saw a girl being bullied in a playground, would you pass by and say, "Sorry little girl, can't help you, I'm saving my indignation for the unborn."
That Churchmouse is indignant about a post-abortive woman being bullied and harrassed does not somehow drain her of her ability to be indignant about abortion.
That excuses bullying and harrassment by fellow prolifers, some of whom claim to be Christians? That wrong does not justify any wrong on this board, and does not justify your turning a blind eye toward it.
Are you going to totally blow off the 700 babies she has saved from abortion by being a sidewalk counsellor? Doesn't actually doing prolife work count as anything to you, or do you only care about politically correct statements on a message board?
I don't know what these two do in real life, but here are the board they use babies as an escuse to hound, harrass, and demean. Their intentions here do not seem to be noble or good.
And I think you are remiss as a Catholic gentleman to stand by and watch such degradation. But what is worse, you have sided with and excused the abusive. You should speak up for what is right and just in this situation, and not be concerned about rejection. If you ever disagree with yoda or faithman, regardless of the issue, you will instantly become a "pro-abort"--So what? That's their problem and their fantasy.

reply from: Weenie

Yet again you are implying the story was true. Can you just shut up about it? Either way cm was wrong and she was called out by fman for it.
Good job fman!
You could be lying about your situation as well. There's no way I could know you're telling the truth or the whole truth, and it's not my business to hunt you down and find it out. I can discuss whatever story you bring to the table whether it is true, true in part, or a total fabrication.

reply from: Weenie

Oh cry me a river.... of your crocodile tears......
What kind of a b*t*h would abort because they didn't like how someone posted on this forum?
And I noticed you didn't say anything about crying for the babies..... you really don't give a damn about them, do you?
Plus, seriously, what pregnant woman questioning abortion as an option would come to an internet forum? Surely the big "PRO LIFE AMERICA" banner would be setting off alarm bells for her that she's not in an non-biased place.
Seriously?
Her mistake was in thinking it would be possible that someone who is agonizing over an abortion decision might see some hope or love here that might inspire her to open up, and possibly be persuaded to do the right thing.
Instead, all she would see is anger, hatred, and stupidity--so this is certainly not a place which would inspire someone to come and seek help.
Hopefully she would instead find someone in real life who actually cares about her.
Kindness here is in very short supply. But that's because they're saving all the love for the babies.

reply from: speck

How naive can a person possibly be?
ANYONE who has ever done anything that is recorded on the web anywhere can be tracked down. You can't hide unless you live the life of a hermit.
CM, I hate to admit it, but Yoda is correct. I mean It didn't take me long to find out Faithman. You can go from that to easily find someones address and phone numbers etc.

reply from: yoda

Obviously, cm didn't tell weenie to shut up..........

reply from: faithman

Oh cry me a river.... of your crocodile tears......
What kind of a b*t*h would abort because they didn't like how someone posted on this forum?
And I noticed you didn't say anything about crying for the babies..... you really don't give a damn about them, do you?
Plus, seriously, what pregnant woman questioning abortion as an option would come to an internet forum? Surely the big "PRO LIFE AMERICA" banner would be setting off alarm bells for her that she's not in an non-biased place.
Seriously?
Her mistake was in thinking it would be possible that someone who is agonizing over an abortion decision might see some hope or love here that might inspire her to open up, and possibly be persuaded to do the right thing.
Instead, all she would see is anger, hatred, and stupidity--so this is certainly not a place which would inspire someone to come and seek help.
Hopefully she would instead find someone in real life who actually cares about her.
Kindness here is in very short supply. But that's because they're saving all the love for the babies.
Then quit being angry and hatfully stupid!!!

reply from: yoda

Looks like weenie didn't get the word, FMan........

reply from: faithman

Looks like weenie didn't get the word, FMan........
Punks like him never do. they are passive aggressive bullies, who defend the killers, and ignore the ones being killed. I am all for extending compassion to killers, just let it be thru the bars of justice!!!! The focus needs to be on the womb child. We can deal with the aftermath when the slaughter stops!!! The issue is equality thru personhood for the womb child. Anything that stands in the way of that needs to be confronted on no uncertain terms. Particularly half truth lies and general staments, which are mere excuses to cloud the issue with personal agenda. Like the "punishment" excuse. No where in any personhood legislation does it deal with punishment. It merely establishes the womb child as a person, and says you can not kill them without due process of law. that means if you murder a womb child, you must face the justice handed down by a jury of citizens. That throws the concept of punishment back to state law. Every state already prescribes punishment for murderers. Every state could legislate law governing the slaughter of a womb child. Personhood merely says that all human beings are persons from the moment of conception. If one is not for this foundational principal of pro-life, then they are not pro-life. It is just that simple. Only an under cover bort head would try to confuse it with their army of straw men.

reply from: carolemarie

Probably you are right Speck, but I wouldn't try to find out who people are or to track them down in real life. That is an invasion of privacy and is wrong. Even to invade Faithmans privacy is wrong and you shouldn't post his real name on the board.
In all my life, I have never had that happen before and it is quite upsetting. I wonder if Yoda has had strangers contact his friends? I doubt that you would be so oh well about it if it was you. I felt very intimidated when people from the internet who hate me come into my real life world. I have been a victim of stalking before and that situtation didn't end up to good, so I am not willing to have it happen again.
Luckily nothing happen to me this time, but I think everyone needs to be aware that people on this board are capable and willing to search you out in real life, so be careful what you say.

reply from: faithman

And you lie. I never tracked you down. I contacked CPC's and just happen to run into one that said they knew you. I never contacted you by phone, nor do I know your phone number or address.And once again you presume facts not in evidence. No where is there one post that says that I hate you. You are trying to play this for all that it is worth. You are not the victim here. Your dead children are, the people you lied to are, and the truth is. I publicly posted every step that I intended to take, which true to my word, I stopped as soon as you fessed up that the story was false. Now I will take steps that stop your slander attacks against me if you don't stop. The only thing that terrified you, was being exposed for the phony you are. I think everyone needs to be aware of the phony liar you are, and not believe that you are a "victim" at all. You are a womb child killer, who advocates for killers, not the ones being killed. That has always been the prob. Nothing more nor nothing less. You are the one who triggered a nessisary search by posting a story that demands mandatory reporting to the authorities. It was the CPC that gave up the fact that they knew you, and it was the CPC that contacted you. Now you lying phony, get it right. But if you continue your slander attacks over an issue I dropped, I will be more than glad to pick it back up, and see it all the way to the end. It's shut up or put up time. Either prove your false accusations, or face the consiquences of them. And by the way, I never posted your real name, you have. It is your sign in name. Once again, your privacy was never violated by me. I merely acted upon information you made public.

reply from: faithman

http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby1.html

reply from: yoda

1. Yes, Yoda has had that happen.
2. My post did not say "oh well", it said you were extremely naive not to know that you can be found.
3. Do you now understand that just about EVERYONE can be found?

reply from: yoda

http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby1.html
Yet another poster trying to blow up a hot air balloon......... pretty soon spring will be here with all this HOT AIR......

reply from: yoda

No, it isn't. Just finding someone is not an invasion of privacy. There is nothing "private" about your existence, is there?
And tracking down a lie is not the same as tracking down a person, anyway. If you tell a lie in public, you deserve to be exposed. Just like if you go to the abortion mill, you deserve to be exposed.
FMan has my personal info, and guess what...... I'm not worried. He's never been invasive or nosy into my business at all, he just doesn't like liars. My info, just like practically everyone else's info, is out there for anyone to find.
You can't hide if someone wants to find you. You can't lie and get away with it if someone wants to prove you have lied. You lied, you got caught. Don't blame someone else for your lies. Buck up..... stop your whining and get on with whatever it is you do.

reply from: Banned Member

Hello Vernon.
Does anyone ever wonder why Carol and Vernon every disappear and then reappear, to harrass the board. Perhaps a holdover from the old days, back when... you know.

reply from: yoda

Yeah, I wish those two would just get a room....... one without an internet hookup.....

reply from: BossMomma

You know, it goes to show how sad and pathetic some people are when they have to stalk someone from a message forum. Seriously, people who do that crap need to get a social life..or a psych evaluation, which ever comes first.

reply from: Weenie

Amen brother.
I missed the post where she blamed someone for her lie.
I thought she admitted it and apologized for it.

reply from: ChristianLott2

She did but now she's entered the blame game with more lies. Now anyone who verifies her lies or are associated with the one who did are subjected to a 'cyberstalking' smear.
Keep trying to turn the table, but it all comes around to just rotten and corrupt people attacking those who are here fighting for the truth.

reply from: Weenie

She did but now she's entered the blame game with more lies. Now anyone who verifies her lies or are associated with the one who did are subjected to a 'cyberstalking' smear.
Keep trying to turn the table, but it all comes around to just rotten and corrupt people attacking those who are here fighting for the truth.
I'm not turning the table.
She lied and admitted it.
What are the new lies?

reply from: ChristianLott2

fman and his friends are cyberstalkers! run!!

reply from: faithman

fman and his friends are cyberstalkers! run!!
SNICKER...... MY PRIVATE LIFE WAS VIOLATED,AND I WAS TERRIFIED!!!!!

reply from: speck

I think it funny that when I out someone on personal info It was edited. Especially when claimed in sarcasm that they were "terrified" like they really didn't care. Even more so, when some here post about others personal info.
CM, while I would normally agree with you, I feel due to the severity of FM's actions and abuse, people have a right to know who he really is. If they feel threatened, they now know a real name to tell the police.
Posting FM's real name imo is no different to Yoda posting photos on his site. And while I know I disagree with what Yoda does, makes me a hypocrite, hey so far as I can tell, doing such hypocritical actions seems to be what many of the prolifers here are all about. Besides, as I said before, people have a right to know, if it comes down to personal safety against extremists.

reply from: yoda

In other words, you're a butt nugget and you're going to remain a butt nugget, right?
Why don't you inform the owners of this forum that you're taking over and going to do just as you please?

reply from: speck

Yes, I am a butt nugget
I'm not entirely sure how I'm "taking over" though.
Personal info has been posted about many people here. However, after some thought, I do realize that CM and Weenie are correct. I apologize, and I should not have posted such information.
Instead, I should have said, that if anyone feels threatened by FM to contact me.

reply from: churchmouse

Oh it sounds like it. LOL Not on one level do you understand what I am saying. NOT ONE. I thought out of everyone here our views were alike scripturally but they arent, not at all.
And what would those causes be? I have every right to be angry with a Christian that shows the kind of hatred that Faithman, Lott and nancy display on this board. And I do go to bat for the unborn in the womb. I pray outside once a week at PP, I volunteer for ARizona Right to Life and I also work with Silent No More. I stand at ASU with a sign that reads, "I Regreat the Abortion I had please ask me why?"
That my dear is a testimony if one ever had one. The women that stand exposing the sin in their life.....standing up for the unborn, for God.
What you don't get Augustine is that I put God first and carole does too. He comes first in our lives. His commandments I take seriously and I do them before I do anything else. Everything else comes after this. I care more about showing and spreading the gospel than anything else in the world. You need to read the Word and you would see what I am talking about. Anyone that walks into a PP clinic is lost. Any woman that gets an abortion is lost. They have sinned against a holy God. But they need to know that Christ will forgive them for their sins if they repent and ask forgiveness.
And there are those here displaying unChristian actions and they should be held accountable for their conduct. However good Faithman and groups message is......its clouded by the hatred they show on this board. They give Christianity a bad name because Christ would NEVER act like they do when talking to someone who just might be lost. It was not hard to know that they hated carole. And to hate someone, to treat them like they did, is ungodly. I am sorry and surprised really that you of all people here cant see this. I am shocked.
Wow. And you do not think she has been treated poorly? Again I am shocked. Like you do not care if someone is raped over the coals over and over and over.
I do Augustine. I am one of the only ones on here who only advocate abortion to save a dying mothers life. You didnt know that? I dont believe you at all. Caroles abuse is the worse I have ever seen in my life online or in the real world. For you to even downplay the treatment she got makes me sick. You dissapoint me. I am sure you could give a rip......but you are dissapointing.
Wow. This forum should also reach out to women, all women who especially have killed their babies. We talk about everything on here even politics and other issues. What right do you have to tell someone they cant reach out to a post abortive woman. What right do you have to tell a post abortive woman she cant reach out to people here.
LMAO Ya know honey, you will never come closer to the abortion issue than those woman here who have actually had one. We have been there and done that. You dont need to tell us anything about the act of killing. I would think as much as you confess to being a godly man that you would want to reach out to those who need to know about Gods love and forgiveness. Because with this......comes change. Hearts can change and actions can too, enought to produce good fruits.
Again I am shocked to find out after all this time how you really feel about post abortive women. That we are worse than any other sinner is amazing. That God wouldnt and couldnt forgive us is.....wrong thinking on your part. I question your knowledge of the Word.
Wow....sounds threatening to me. CArole is against abortion what dont you get? She asked Gods forgiveness and she works to witness to women who are lost. You should try it instead of being judge and jury yourself. IT IS A CHRISTIANS DUTY TO SPREAD THE GOOD NEWS.
WEll you are doing that here. You dont take Caroles word that she regrets her abortion and has repented. Why do you guys continually hold her sins over her? I GOT NEWS FOR YA HONEY.....GOD FORGAVE HER, HE FORGAVE ME. I know this might dissapoint you, but He has. Praise God.
Everyone incuding you, the hate group here.... me etc should be confronted with the filth of their own sin. The Law is in place to do just that. But we are not to yell and scream and demean someone who has sinned. Christ did not do it that way either. He did not call the prostitute a scanc, or a whore or worse. AND HE WAS GOD IN THE FLESH. So you think Faithman and the hate he showed is justified?
I dissagree with tea and chocolate as well.......but so what? I mean come on so what? She gives out bibles too. Is that bad? Because she simply added the tea and chocolates.....she deserved the treatment she has got?

And you defend them......UNBELIEVABLE. They do one thing well and thats it. THEY HATE. Their message is lost because they are so cloaked in hatred that one cant even stomach their message. We all know them on this board because we post here all the time. But for people coming on to get information or support, they see their posts and wonder what the heck the hatred is all about. Christians showing hate......oh thats good isnt it?
The thing that upsets me the most.......is that Nancy, lott and Faithman claim to be Christians. Do you think they mirror Christ and how He would handle carole or anyone else?
Intentions? Intentions that mirror what? I know this is not a theological disscusion but geeze oh petes Augustine are we reading the same Bible? How you can condone the actions of those on this board that have treated carole this way, like I said is unbelievable. That you would sit back in SILENCE AND SAY NOTHING is also incredible and makes me wonder what you think is more important, the unborn in the womb or God and what He commands us to do.
Then you do not love your fellow man. If you see someone in the water who cant swim....you want to save them, so you throw them a life vest. The life vest the unsaved needs is Christ. No one should be left alone. We must love and we must try to help those in need.
Unbelievable.

reply from: churchmouse

Weenie thanks for the kind words.
They love to hate that is for sure.
And faithman continues to be the board bully.......he said, "
Compassion? Not one ounce in your body honey.
The focus should always be on Christ. In EVERYTHING WE DO, He should be our focus.
Thanks gosh nothing happened carole. But you are right, who knows if push came to shove, what these people might do.
Now this statement that faithman made really takes the cake. If it doesnt show his blindness I do not know what does.
To carole faithman said.........
LMAO Can you believe this? Faithman never said anything to make anyone think he hated carole. LMAO I mean faithman, do you really think we are that stupid?
In every post, you slam, you namecall.......you show nothing but hatred and contempt for carole. Any law enforement official would be able to see that. Its evidence in print. LMAO
You are such a sad joke. I feel so sorry for you. You think you are something else I tell ya. You wouldnt have a leg to stand on, once anyone read your history on this forum as far as the law goes. You should put some of the choice words you have called the post abortive woman on your cards faithman.....really show the love and compassion. I wonder if the people in your real life........ you know the ones you encounter in person, knows how you act online.
What a joke. You are his right hand man yoda. LMAO
She did apologive, but that isnt enough. She will continue to be abused verbally by Faithman and bullies.

reply from: Weenie

Thank you Churchmouse.
You are one of the few who actually "gets it."
Even some of the non-haters don't seem to have a clue, or are content to stand by and watch it happen.
Thank you for the prolife work you do. Reasonable people realize that people like you and CM do far more to save babies than people like me and others who just flap their gums on the internet or make pompous speeches.
You do REAL work and people who otherwise would not be, are now alive today because of your sacrifices.

reply from: Weenie

Do you realize what a grotesque distortion this is and do you care?
Why did you omit that that is only a small part of what was given? Why do you omit that bibles and tracts for postabortive counseling are given? Why did you omit that the same women were confronted BEFORE the abortion and an attempt was made to persuade her to not abort? Why did you omit that some of the women confronted actually DID NOT ABORT and that LIVES WERE SAVED?
That was extremely dishonest of you.

reply from: ChristianLott2

If she 'got it' I'm going to go ahead and skip it. Just like the rest of your posts.

reply from: yoda

And yet you just continue to do so...... without ceasing.....

reply from: faithman

And yet you just continue to do so...... without ceasing.....
Dispite the fact that we waisted material and postage sending the punk material. We gave the belly acker the stuff to get busy, the very same material that CM said she used to "save babies". And he did nothing but critisize it. We have had report after report of babies saved, and people brought into the fold, by using IAAP. But all this punk, and the bortheads want to do is attack people who are doing real work in real time. I have successfully used this forum to distribute material all accross the country. And even though there is absolutly no evidence to back up thier false accusations, they try to paint me a dangerous stalker. And yet we have pictures of even very young children doing what this punk hasn't the guts to do. Go into the public, and show the beautiful imagery of preborn life. People mouth off about education being key. Nothing educates better for the buck than IAAP. It is simple, crosses all dividing lines in pro-life, is family friendly, and even the media will play it on the evening news. Nothing else I know of has that kind of track record. But I know for a fact that folks that are serious about this issue, look past the personalities, get IAAP, and go out in real time and save womb children. That is the bottom line, and always has been. All these side show monkies just prove to me we are on the right track. So if you want to kick crap out of the bortheads with a smile on your face, just click my sig, copy and paste the image, and get creative!!!! It really is that simple. Or you can join the gum beaters, and do nothing but sit on the side lines and critisize!

reply from: yoda

Yeah, like Weenie.......

reply from: faithman

Yeah, like Weenie.......
I would say he is the best example of it indeed. He is the dust that needs to be swept out of the PL house.

reply from: churchmouse

You bring up a good point, they do omit a lot of the evidence. Carole does give out Bibles and tracts. She tries to reach them before and after. These little tidbits of fact were omitted.
FAithman said, "We have had report after report of babies saved, and people brought into the fold, by using IAAP."
You making a list? How many have to brought to Christs feet? Or isnt that as important? You are consumed alright......but its not focused where it should be.
They try to paint you? No you paint yourself with hatred you spew daily. How many have you turned off to Christ by your actions? Forget the unborn for a second, if that is possible. How many have you turned off because of your actions here, that might be leaning to Christ?
I know you won't answer these questions because you dont think you dishonor God by your actions. But I am posting and you are reading.....He knows YOU KNOW.
"Side show monkeys, scanc, whore, bortheads, gum beaters...........and your name-calling list goes on and on and on. So un-Christ-like......you so dishonor HIm in HOW YOU DO THIS.
Faithman said,
You are so blind...its sad. Weenie speaks with love and kindness something you just can't see because of the hatred you have in your heart for those who dont hop on your hate bandwagon. You are so consumed with yourself and your accomplishments that there is NO ROOM TO GLORIFY THE REAL HERO, GOD.
Psalm 51:10
"Create in me a CLEAN HEART, O GOD."

reply from: faithman

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Gee! Faithman waived his moronic fetus photo around, and now we have the most pro-choice President, House, Senate, and soon-to-be Supreme Court in American History!
Thanks for everything, Faithman!
Wow! The Mexico City policy gone, Planned Parenthood gets greater funding, ...and just in case you have had your hate-fueled aneurysm by the time it passes, thanks for the FOCA!
Nice try scumbag, but these things are happening because the so called pro-life republicans betrayed the pro-life vote, and they stayed home. People all over the country are getting wise, and are putting their efforts into things like IAAP. IAAP is igniting grass roots efforts all over the country, includding areas that have seen very little PL activity like New Hampshire, Maine, and Oregon. Your little rant only lets me know that we are on the right track, and we are kicking pro-death butt. But please do keep posting. I love it when bortheads make my point for me.

reply from: churchmouse

So obvious that Faithman avoids my posts.
He must know that what he is doing is wrong. He just wont face it.
It is hard to face actions when you know they are not aligned with the Word.
I am still praying for him, that he opens up the Word and reads about the kind of love we are to have for our fellow man.

reply from: faithman

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<~
Gee! Faithman waived his moronic fetus photo around, and now we have the most pro-choice President, House, Senate, and soon-to-be Supreme Court in American History!
Thanks for everything, Faithman!
Wow! The Mexico City policy gone, Planned Parenthood gets greater funding, ...and just in case you have had your hate-fueled aneurysm by the time it passes, thanks for the FOCA!
Nice try scumbag, but these things are happening because the so called pro-life republicans betrayed the pro-life vote, and they stayed home. People all over the country are getting wise, and are putting their efforts into things like IAAP. IAAP is igniting grass roots efforts all over the country, includding areas that have seen very little PL activity like New Hampshire, Maine, and Oregon. Your little rant only lets me know that we are on the right track, and we are kicking pro-death butt. But please do keep posting. I love it when bortheads make my point for me.

reply from: faithman

Butt Nugettness seems to be very contageous. Particularly amongst phonies with personal agendas other than stopping womb child slaughter.

reply from: yoda

Yeah, but ain't it nice when the buttnuggets help us to spread the word that unborn humans are people too?

reply from: faithman

Yepper, it really shows they haven't a clue.

reply from: churchmouse

ABORTION IS MURDER.
ABORTION IS KILLING A CREATURE CREATED BY GOD.
ALL ABORTION IS UNGODLY.

THE UNBORN DESERVE PERSONHOOD AND THE GOVERMENT SHOULD RECOGNIZE THIS.
WE MUST SPREAD THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT ABORTION IS AND WHAT IT DOES. AND WE SHOULD SPREAD THE FACTS BOTH SCIENTIFICALLY AND RELIGIOUSLY.
BUT WE SHOULD DO ALL THIS AS COMMANDED BY GOD AND DO IT HIS WAY AND NOT OURS.
WE ALSO SHOULD EXPOSE EVIL WHERE EVIL IS. AND YOUR HATE IS EVIL. NO OTHER WAY TO PUT IT, TO SAY IT. WHATEVER GOOD MESSAGE YOU MIGHT SHARE WITH PEOPLE, IT IS CLOUDED BY THE EVIL YOU SHOW, ESPECIALLY ON THIS BOARD.
IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ARMY OF GOD.......WHICH IS AN EVIL ORGANIZATION THAT IS ANTI-CHRIST....YOU ARE ANTI-CHRIST. YOUR ACTIONS AND WORDS DO NOT GLORIFY GOD, THEY MOCK HIM.
"A CLUE" YOU SAY?
I DON'T WANT YOUR TRUTH THAT IS FOR SURE. YOUR INTENTIONS ARE TAINTED BY THE EVIL ONE.

reply from: Banned Member

But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says,
You fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire. So if you are offering your gift at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. Make friends quickly with your accuser, while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison; truly, I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny.

"You have heard that it was said,
You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you salute only your brethren, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Try quoting Scripture!

reply from: Weenie

What about "you scanc!"
Does that one get a pass auggie?

reply from: nancyu

It has nothing to do with what the unborn deserve. Unborn children ARE persons. The government doesn't need to do a thing. WE need to recognize this. YOU need to recognize this.

reply from: Weenie

It has nothing to do with what the unborn deserve. Unborn children ARE persons. The government doesn't need to do a thing. WE need to recognize this. YOU need to recognize this.
huh?
All prolifers recognize this.
The government does have to do something, since abortions have not stopped voluntarily.

reply from: churchmouse

Who are you addressing that post to Augustine? I do post scriptures, and I am one of the few that do that.
I am the one who is not namecalling. You are condoning the side that does.
You want scripture. I will give you scripture.
The Lord is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in lovingkindness." Psalms 103:8
THE ONE WHO DOES NOT LOVE DOES NOT KNOW GOD, FOR GOD IS LOVE. 1 John 4:8
And how about this one in Matthew 6:14-15.
Jesus says, "For if you forgive men their tresspasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
How are you guys treating Carole? How are you treating those you disagree with? You call names, in the name of what Augustine?
Show me scriptures where Christ uses the words Faithman uses in each post?
The post where he slams homosexuals is the most ungodly display of wrath against God I have ever seen.
A bit of advice from God Augustine.
"He that walks with wise men shall be wise:but a companion of fools shall be detroyed." Proverbs 13:20.
Don't get sucked in by these people.
"The way of a fool is right in his OWN eyes, but he who heeds counsel is wise. " Proverbs 12:15.
A fool thinks he knows it all. I certainly do not pretend to know it all, I have been brutally honest about my life, more than most people have on this forum.
Pray on it Augustine.
Nancy whether you like it or not we live in a nation of laws. The laws tell us what we can do and what we can't. Abortion is legal. Abortionists can legally kill human beings. What do you not get? Of course our Constitution does not say abortion is ok. Our government raped that document.
Abortion is against God and is sin. But we are NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION THAT ACKNOWLEDGES GOD.
Of course the unborn are people. But our government does not recognize them as such.

reply from: Weenie

The problem is that just about everyone here justifies themself with scripture. I'm sure someone can find a way to take a scripture out of context and show a good reason to call someone a "scanc" or other nasty name.
In fact, didn't Jesus call the woman at the well and the woman caught in adultery a "scanc"?
If he didn't, he should have...

reply from: nancyu

Do you live in America?
WE ARE OUR GOVERNMENT.

reply from: Weenie

Do you live in America?
WE ARE OUR GOVERNMENT.
Then why haven't you stopped abortion (except in your own town where it's illegal)?

reply from: yoda

Do you live in America? WE ARE OUR GOVERNMENT.
And not only that, some of our most "beloved and protected prolifers" don't want the government to recognize their personhood... and will fight tooth and nail to prevent it.....

reply from: ChristianLott2

are you talking about the one who says "Im pro life and abortion is an option"?

reply from: yoda

Hey, no fair, you read my mind!

reply from: faithman

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg

reply from: churchmouse

I believe nancy agrees as well. She is against any personhood bill if I remember right. And she is part of the rat pack isnt she?

reply from: Weenie

I believe nancy agrees as well. She is against any personhood bill if I remember right. And she is part of the rat pack isnt she?
I believe she opposed personhood IF it meant the women would be punished, and if it meant oulawing contraception.
They keep leaving that part out--not that it's unusual for them to distort someone's statements. In fact, I'm more surprised when they don't.

reply from: Weenie

I believe nancy agrees as well. She is against any personhood bill if I remember right. And she is part of the rat pack isnt she?
She is part of the "rat pack" but I'm sure she does NOT oppose the personhood bill. She would not oppose anything that faithman supports--I'm sure of that.
But she's lucky. Did you know she lives in a town where abortion is illegal?

reply from: faithman

I believe nancy agrees as well. She is against any personhood bill if I remember right. And she is part of the rat pack isnt she?
I believe she opposed personhood IF it meant the women would be punished, and if it meant oulawing contraception.
They keep leaving that part out--not that it's unusual for them to distort someone's statements. In fact, I'm more surprised when they don't.
you are wrong. Nancy suports both personhood, and punishment. 2 different issues by the by....

reply from: Weenie

I know that nancyu supports that.
I was saying that CM is misrepresented. You and others say she opposes personhood, but omit that she opposes a law which would include punishment and laws against contraception.
She has stated she believes in personhood, but you present it as if she opposes it, when she does not--she opposes the law as you would like it to be, and there's a difference in opposing personhood and in opposing a particular brand of it.
I believe nancy agrees as well. She is against any personhood bill if I remember right. And she is part of the rat pack isnt she?
I believe she opposed personhood IF it meant the women would be punished, and if it meant oulawing contraception.
They keep leaving that part out--not that it's unusual for them to distort someone's statements. In fact, I'm more surprised when they don't.
you are wrong. Nancy suports both personhood, and punishment. 2 different issues by the by....

reply from: 4given

What?! Nancy! Look at this mistruth being spread. Rat pack? Odd. Please clarify.. I may have misunderstood your dedication to the unborn and fight for Personhood.

reply from: Weenie

What?! Nancy! Look at this mistruth being spread. Rat pack? Odd. Please clarify.. I may have misunderstood your dedication to the unborn and fight for Personhood.
It wasn't intentional. She's mistaken.
I think she would see the "rat pack" as yodavater, faithman, nancyu, and their wannabe friend, "christian"lott, though Augustine seems to be angling for inclusion lately.
But I don't think that "rat pack" is right or fair. It's an unjust thing to associate these people with rats.
I think I'll have to go out and find a rat and apologize to it.

reply from: Weenie

And with that last brilliant post, the weenie bids you goodnight, 4given.
I enjoyed our discussion.

reply from: yoda

Churchrat just likes to irritate people from time to time...... by lying about them.... and weenie thinks his new avatar gives him some kind of authority....

reply from: nancyu

I believe nancy agrees as well. She is against any personhood bill if I remember right. And she is part of the rat pack isnt she?
I hope your talking about the "other" nancy. (How do I change my user name?)

reply from: ChristianLott2

then let it give you a disease, just like all the rats you make friends with.

reply from: churchmouse

No the scripture fits the action weenie. And not everyone does that. Faithman, Lott, nancy wont. They cant that is why they run from scripture questions. They wont address them because they know they have A BIG FAT NOTHING.
Jesus said to love they enemy. You tell me what He meant. Are we supposed to hate? yes or no.
No he did not. Did you really say this? Wow.
?????????????
I got one for ya nancy. What does PP celebrate every January? The LEGALIZATION OF ABORTION.
Again what dont you get? If abortion is illegal....then why arent our jails full of abortionists?

reply from: Weenie

But it's illegal where Nancyu lives. Look at her signature.
And she won't share the secret with the rest of us which I think is pretty darn selfish.

reply from: churchmouse

The silence is amazing weenie.

reply from: nancyu

I believe nancy agrees as well. She is against any personhood bill if I remember right. And she is part of the rat pack isnt she?
This the slander you meant faithman?
Against personhood? Really? Have you ever read a single thing I've posted?
I didn't think so. That's why the silence churchmouse. It would be silly to try to "talk" to someone who clearly can't read.
My theory -- same posters different handles: churchmouse, concernedparent, weenie.

reply from: churchmouse

I thought I remembered you were against the personhood bill. I apologize if you did not say it.
I did ask you these questions which you failed to answer.
What does PP celebrate every January?
If abortion is illegal....then why arent our jails full of abortionists?

reply from: yoda

Pretty good theory, if you ask me.......

reply from: Weenie

Pretty good theory, if you ask me.......
I must be a lot smarter than I thought I was. I never would have thougth I could be that talented.
Don't forget that I am also carolemarie.
You'll really see my brilliance when all of us are logged in at the same time. You don't know what it's like to run from computer to computer. It's exhausting.

reply from: yoda

No need to weenie, all you need is several browsers open at one time....

reply from: Weenie

Thanks, I didn't know that.
Now I can be ten posters.
Or it could be that I'm all the posters here.
Maybe it's just you and me.

reply from: yoda

Who knows, weenie...... have you ever heard of multiple personalities?
You just never know who you are talking to on the internet, so the best thing to do is address the words, not the source....
You can do that, can't you?

reply from: churchmouse

Well you are right, you never know who you are talking about thats for sure. People use different names, have two names. I cant keep them straight sometimes.
I am not sure we should ignore the source however. If someone gives fact they should support it. Faithman does do what you just suggested does he? He considers the source enought to report and call out people.
And?


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