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How do you feel about adult men having sex with young girls?

Should it be against the law or not?

by: yoda

Carolemarie and I have a difference of opinion on this, as you may have read. She thinks such an adult male should not be charged with a crime, I think he ought to be thrown under the jail and labeled a sexual criminal.

reply from: Rosalie

I believe there is a difference between a 20 year old male having consentual sex with a 17 year old female and a 20 year old male having consentual sex with a 14 year old girl.

reply from: carolemarie

Yes there is. Also there is a difference between rape and consenual sex.
I know the difference, apparently Yoda doesn't.

reply from: snapdragon

An 18 year old is legally an adult and may concent to sex; a 14 year old is a child. Is Carole advocating sex between adult men and girls under 18? I had not lurked in on that argument.

reply from: yoda

She has expressed the opinion that an adult male who has sex with a "consenting" female aged 14-18 should not be charged with a crime of any kind or labeled a sex offender.
Do you agree or disagree?

reply from: Rosalie

Yeah, I just read the thread from which I suppose Yoda had the idea for this asinine poll. I don't think he'll ever get that.

reply from: snapdragon

Totally disagree. A girl that young cannot concent to sex in the first place and a man who goes sniffing around girls that young is a threat to the community.

reply from: JRH

I don't like the idea of a seemingly randomly chosen cut off point when it comes to these sort of issues. We use the age 18, but we may have easily chosen 21 or some other random age. If we claim that children are not able to consent, we have to make these judgments on an individual basis. A 14 year old super genius can surely understand sex and consent to it rationally, but a 23 year old retarded person cannot do so. So I personally do not like the statutory rape laws that exist. I find them to be overly simplistic and arbitrary.

reply from: Shenanigans

Isn't it against the law anyway? Even if its a 19 year old man having sex with an 17 year old if the age of conscent is 18?
In NZL age of conscent for sex is 16. However, if both kids are under 16 there's no issue that the courts take.
Frankly, if the guy knows the girl is youger then the age of conscent then he should be thrown into jail - even if the girl is like two days from her birthday. We can't have people running around thinking they can falunt this kind of law. There's got to be something seriously wrong with a man who wants to shag a child, even an "older child" who offers conscent. It doesn't matter if the girl is "smart" and "conscented" the law isn't to protect the average 15 year old strumpet, its there to protect those who are being pressured into sexual antics by an older man. That's why there's such a broad and all encompassing sweep over this - if the guy shoudl be done for stat. rape and jailed accordingly.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Is this another attempt by cm to condone an abortion?

reply from: carolemarie

an 18 year old boy and a 14 year old girl is not that extreme, he is certainly not a sex offender and doesn't deserve to have his life ruined....14 is old enough to know what you are doing

reply from: Shenanigans

Are you serious?
Seriously?!?!
No 14 year old has the mindset to make the decision to have sex, especially not with someone legal to vote and join the army! Any 14 year old who thinks its okay to have sex and engages in it, needs to have counselling, and her family should be investigated to ensure there's no culture of abuse that has groomed her to think sex with an 18 year old is okay.
The 18 year old deserves what ever comes to him from the law. He's a dirty criminal and should be treated as such. He obviously can't get any with girls his own age so he has to con children into bed. He should be sent to jail for a long time!

reply from: micah

This question is really bad. A female is legally an adult at 18, and you are asking if it should be illegal if an adult man has sex with her?

reply from: Yuuki

I can't answer the poll because the age of the male is not listed. Also, if the girl is 18 then I could care less WHO she has sex with. Even 17. Now 16 and younger, if the male is 4+ years older (aka 21 or older) then yes, it should be statutory rape. Honestly it's the same deal for young males and older females.

reply from: Yuuki

I do not believe it is right for a 20 year old to have sex with a 14 year old and I consider it to be statutory rape.

reply from: micah

It would be interesting to know what guys would do if there were no laws on these kind of subjects. I think somebody once said that the inner thoughts of men would "shame hell".

reply from: Yuuki

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A number of states - including my own - have a "like or similar age" clause that kicks in in certain cases. It's generally defined as a three-year difference in age. An 18-year-old shouldn't go to prison for sex with a 15-year-old.
That being said, I've never seen an instance where a man is dating a young teenage girl when the man wasn't a case study in arrested development - you know - a creep. Creeps need to be locked-up.
Most adult men I know find teenage girls fairly annoying.
(I have a friend, Doug, who's 43. He went to work at a snotty-posh East Coast girls' prep school. When I asked him if he was living his fantasy and whistling"Don't Stand So Close To Me" all day, he told me that he had learned to hate them all by 10:30am Wednesday of the fiirst week...)
Lol! Love that song... Yeah, I know a creepy dude who is sort of a friend (kinda) who was, last I knew, dating a highschooler (senior I think (hope)) and he's almost 30. SLIIIMMYYYY.

reply from: carolemarie

We are not discussing 42 years old men
I am talking about high school girls and boys just legal, like 18,19, 20
Men are pretty immature in that age range.
My husband is 6 years older than me, that is pretty common.
I was dating a 18 year old when I was 14, and that was not a rape situtation, he hardly deserved jail! He wasn't a sex offender!
Now, I would say that when I was 15 and dating a 30 year old, that would have been something that should have been a crime.

reply from: snapdragon

Would you approve of an 18 year old having sex with your 14 year old daughter? 14 is most certainly not old enough to know what your doing.

reply from: snapdragon

From what I've read you were also a prostitute. I think your idea of what is sexually acceptable is rather scewed.

reply from: carolemarie

I don't approve of minors having sex!
I don't approve of calling consental sex rape and making a young man into a sex criminal for life!

reply from: snapdragon

You seem to be hunky dory with minors having sex with adults as you do not seem to feel the need to prosecute child preditors. A 14 year old is a child; she has barely an inkling of what sex can lead to IE. pregnancy and STDs. Should a 14 year old get pregnant it'd likely result in either one more aborted or one more up for adoption among hundreds who are up for adoption. I'm all for free sex but, between adults. Children need to be children.

reply from: scopia19822

"Totally disagree. A girl that young cannot concent to sex in the first place and a man who goes sniffing around girls that young is a threat to the community"
Yep and many of them as they get older still like them at that age. My ex forced me to abort our daughter because he was 21 and had been charged with having sex with a 13 yr old. Hes now serving time for rape of a child under 14. I just found that out from a mutual accquantice of ours. Karma can be a Bytch.

reply from: carolemarie

I know the difference between rape and consental sex, which apparently you don't. It is wrong to make an 19 year old into a criminal. A fourteen year old girl knows what sex is, and knows what she is doing when she voluntarly sleeps with her boyfriend!
And I was a prostitute a long time ago, I am now a moral and redeemed human being who helps other women and girls out of that life. I do not want to see the lives of young men destroyed and having to register as a sex offender for sleeping with a high school girl. especially if they are barely legal themselves. And trust me, I am not a great fan of men....but it is grossly unfair to make sex criminals out of young men.

reply from: snapdragon

I know your story and I am so sorry for your loss. The wretch who did that to you and your daughter is certainly getting what he deserves.

reply from: snapdragon

I know the difference between rape and consental sex, which apparently you don't. It is wrong to make an 19 year old into a criminal. A fourteen year old girl knows what sex is, and knows what she is doing when she voluntarly sleeps with her boyfriend!
And I was a prostitute a long time ago, I am now a moral and redeemed human being who helps other women and girls out of that life. I do not want to see the lives of young men destroyed and having to register as a sex offender for sleeping with a high school girl. especially if they are barely legal themselves. And trust me, I am not a great fan of men....but it is grossly unfair to make sex criminals out of young men.
A 14 year old probably knows what crack is too; should she give it a try? Does she know what can happen if she smokes crack? Probably not. I knew what sex was at 14 but pregnancy and disease never entered my mind. Don't you think other 14 year olds think along the same lines? If young men want to avoid punishment they should sleep with young women, not children.

reply from: carolemarie

You do realize that these 14 year old and 15 year old are freshman and sophmores and that the young boys 18 are seniors? You never heard of a high schoold girl with a college age boyfriends?
So you are saying that you never had sex when you were under age? And you didn't know anyone who did?

reply from: micah

Very good points.

reply from: Banned Member

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reply from: scopia19822

"A 14 year old super genius can surely understand sex and consent to it rationally, but a 23 year old retarded person cannot do so. So I personally do not like the statutory rape laws that exist. I find them to be overly simplistic and arbitrary."
Im grateful that we have laws to protect children from sexual predators. Also a person can be charged with rape for taking advantage of mentally incapacitated person over the age of 18 as well.

reply from: carolemarie

While it is morally wrong to have sex outside of marriage, that doesn't mean it is rape.
My issue is with a law that would make a young man a sex offender for sleeping with a girl who consented to the sex. She, at 14 has the moral capacity to choose good or evil. She is not a rape victim, unless she was forced.
The young man is just a immature boy, not a sex criminal.
My brother in law married my sister in law when he was 19 and she was 16, they had started dating when she was 14 --is this a crime?

reply from: scopia19822

"My issue is with a law that would make a young man a sex offender for sleeping with a girl who consented to the sex. She, at 14 has the moral capacity to choose good or evil. She is not a rape victim, unless she was forced. "
We have laws to protect children, Im not saying that an 18 should go to jail for sleeping with a 16 or 17 yr old, most states allow a 3 year age difference. Most of these girls arent having sex with anyone in the 18-20 year old range they are having sex with older men. over the age of 21. My ex forced me to have an abortion because he was charged with having sex with a 13 year old girl he was 21. Shouldn't he have been charged?

reply from: Banned Member

14 year old girls may choose good or evil.
19 year old man... idiot.
Got it!
He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?" The man said, "The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate."
Woman's response? "The devil made me do it!"

reply from: scopia19822

"My brother in law married my sister in law when he was 19 and she was 16, they had started dating when she was 14 --is this a crime?"
I dont think 3 years is a big difference, but my son will not be permitted to date until he is 16 and I would never sign the papers for my minor child to get married. Age generally isnt an issue for me, my husband is alot older than me, but when we are talking about minors it does matter.

reply from: snapdragon

I did not have sex until I was 23 and married. I knew of teen girls that were sexually active with teen boys in their age group.

reply from: carolemarie

How old were you at the time you were sleeping with him Scopia? And were you raped or did you choose to sleep with him?
Did he rape the 13 year old? Personal responsibility here comes into play.
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reply from: carolemarie

14 year old girls may choose good or evil.
19 year old man... idiot.
Got it!
He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?" The man said, "The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate."
Woman's response? "The devil made me do it!"
Are you trying to say something here? I am not getting it....
I am not saying minors or anyone not married should be having sex. I am simply saying it isn't a sex crime.

reply from: carolemarie

I did not have sex until I was 23 and married. I knew of teen girls that were sexually active with teen boys in their age group.
That is like a different universe then I grew up in. Everyone was sleeping around. The prevaling morality was if it feels good do it...
Since it was the norm, it seems extreme to call the 19 year old boy a sex offender.

reply from: scopia19822

"How old were you at the time you were sleeping with him Scopia? And were you raped or did you choose to sleep with him?
Did he rape the 13 year old? Personal responsibility here comes into play. "
I was 17 almost 18, he was 3 years older than me. Sometimes it was consensual, other times not it was a very abusive relationship. The law rightfully assumes that a person under 18 lacks the capacity the be held to the standards of "personally responsibilty" as an adult. If this were true teens could get credit cards, sign contracts, own property and not receive the protection of laws that protect children from unscruplous employers, sexual predators and other abusers. A 13 year old is a child and a 21 year is an adult they should know better. I am glad that we have statutory rape laws to protect children. If some older woman had sex with my teenage son I would not hesistate to file charges against her. For me the law is to be equally applied, what about these female teachers having sex with their minor stidents, is that ok to you?

reply from: carolemarie

No I am NOT okay with teachers doing the students! Or adult (read over 21) sleeping with minors. that is exploitive and wrong.
I am not for minors having sex. I find that to be a problem.

reply from: scopia19822

"It makes no sense that you can get an abortion as a minor, but you want to jail a 19 year old boy for having sex with a 15 year old."
I dont think minors should be able to get an abortion, and a 19 year old boy should not be having sex with a 15 year old girl. I think 3 years is fair enough.

reply from: Teresa18

Yes, he should be charged with statutory rape. I voted for the Jesse Jackson one however because it made me LOL.

reply from: carolemarie

Maybe my pov is messed up... because I don't see it as abuse.

reply from: Teresa18

Birds of a feather flock together.

reply from: faithman

First honnest thing I have seen you post. Your "pov" is very messed up.

reply from: snapdragon

I did not have sex until I was 23 and married. I knew of teen girls that were sexually active with teen boys in their age group.
That is like a different universe then I grew up in. Everyone was sleeping around. The prevaling morality was if it feels good do it...
Since it was the norm, it seems extreme to call the 19 year old boy a sex offender.
I'm sorry you did not grow up in an area with better morals. A 19 year old is no longer a boy; he is a man, legally if not mentally and by that age young MEN need to be leaving children alone.

reply from: Hosea

In Ohio, it is only statutory rape if the boy is 4 years older than a girl (who is under the age of 18). I think this is a reasonable law. Most girls at age 14 cannot truly understand what they are consenting too.
This also leaves the door wide open to date rape. The lying men on the internet who are trying to meet lonely 14 year olds and lying about their age need to be prosecuted. A confused 14 year old can be convinced that her immodest clothing was a consent to having sex by a prosecuting attorney and the rapist goes free. The young girl also may not want to make a big media case out of her rape so she says the sex was consetual.
I think the four year difference is a good law.

reply from: yoda

I agree, and that's why I started this poll...... I can't fathom why anyone, much less a prolife "activist and leader" would sanction that.

reply from: yoda

"Adult" is the age of the male, and that is different in different states. I had in mind 21, but even at 18 I still think it's wrong, immoral, and I think should stay a criminal offense. Carole obviously disagrees.

reply from: yoda

Join the crowd. One way to avoid criticism of your positions is to never state them clearly. We still don't know what "exceptions" she supports, she will not say.

reply from: yoda

I must say it's mind blowing to me to hear these views from a prolife "activist and leader"..... including allowing abortion of rape babies and all babies of very young girls...... that's why I'm posting these polls, because I can't believe that my views are that radical. And according to the last two polls I posted, they are not, but yours are.

reply from: SRUW4I5

There was a case in the UK where a man raped a 10 year old girl twice but because she was wearing a thong and a frillly bra and looked 16 (the age of consent) not 10 the judge sentenced him to 2 years (20 months of which were served while he was waiting for trial). Just like if someone rapes a prostitute it's robbery not rape (according to a judge atleast).
If an adult has sex with a minor knowingly they should be in trouble. But, I think it shouldn't be as much trouble if it was a 17 year old as it should if it was someone younger than that.
Teens are going to have sex no matter what, so there should be like a two or three year age difference for it to be legal as long as both are atleast 15 and consent.
Sex education starts in fifth or sixth grade around here, so a 15 year old should know the consequences of sex.

reply from: Banned Member

Could any one person say that following five things regarding statutory rape?
-15 is old enough to know what you are doing.
-I don't approve of minors having sex!
-A fourteen year old girl knows what sex is, and knows what she is doing when she voluntarly sleeps with her boyfriend!
-So you are saying that you never had sex when you were under age?
-I don't approve of calling consental sex rape and making a young man into a sex criminal for life!
-14 is old enough to know what you are doing

reply from: SRUW4I5

If they think fourteen is old enough to know what you're doing then of course they'd think 15 is.
What's wrong with the same person saying all of those things?

reply from: Banned Member

Did you read all 5 statements? Are you simply stupid? Do you think that playing dumb makes some kind of point? Look over what was posted and try to put it into context before you make yourself look like an idiot.

reply from: yoda

Some of those things seem at odds with each other, and at odds with what you might expect from a prolife "activist and leader".

reply from: Banned Member

I would love to know what CarolMarie thinks about underage teen drinking and drinking and driving.

reply from: yoda

This is kind of like protesting at the mill..... I don't really want to see this stuff, but I feel like it needs to be aired out for all to see.....

reply from: SRUW4I5

Did you read all 5 statements? Are you simply stupid? Do you think that playing dumb makes some kind of point? Look over what was posted and try to put it into context before you make yourself look like an idiot.
I read all of it. It's six things in the list, not five.
If 14 year olds are old enough, so are 15 year olds.Most 14 year olds I know do know what sex is. If you don't want to try and force your beliefs on someone else you can let something happen or let someone do something without approving of it.

reply from: faithman

Did you read all 5 statements? Are you simply stupid? Do you think that playing dumb makes some kind of point? Look over what was posted and try to put it into context before you make yourself look like an idiot.
I read all of it. It's six things in the list, not five.
If 14 year olds are old enough, so are 15 year olds.Most 14 year olds I know do know what sex is. If you don't want to try and force your beliefs on someone else you can let someone happen without approving of it.
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOO we shouldn't force our belief that everyone should stop at a red light, if they want to blast thru it? We shouldn't force our belief on a robber that bank robbery is wrong? We should force a rapist not to rape because who are we to force our beliefs on someone?

reply from: SRUW4I5

Did you read all 5 statements? Are you simply stupid? Do you think that playing dumb makes some kind of point? Look over what was posted and try to put it into context before you make yourself look like an idiot.
I read all of it. It's six things in the list, not five.
If 14 year olds are old enough, so are 15 year olds.Most 14 year olds I know do know what sex is. If you don't want to try and force your beliefs on someone else you can let something happen without approving of it.
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOO we shouldn't force our belief that everyone should stop at a red light, if they want to blast thru it? We shouldn't force our belief on a robber that bank robbery is wrong? We should force a rapist not to rape because who are we to force our beliefs on someone?
I didn't say people shouldn't force their beliefs on someone. I said if someone doesn't want to they can let something happen without approving of it. (I editted my post).
We should make people obey the laws. A lot of laws are in place for a good reason.

reply from: faithman

Did you read all 5 statements? Are you simply stupid? Do you think that playing dumb makes some kind of point? Look over what was posted and try to put it into context before you make yourself look like an idiot.
I read all of it. It's six things in the list, not five.
If 14 year olds are old enough, so are 15 year olds.Most 14 year olds I know do know what sex is. If you don't want to try and force your beliefs on someone else you can let something happen without approving of it.
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOO we shouldn't force our belief that everyone should stop at a red light, if they want to blast thru it? We shouldn't force our belief on a robber that bank robbery is wrong? We should force a rapist not to rape because who are we to force our beliefs on someone?
I didn't say people shouldn't force their beliefs on someone. I said if someone doesn't want to they can let something happen without approving of it. (I editted my post).
We should make people obey the laws. A lot of laws are in place for a good reason.
Kinda like laws that protect innocent life?

reply from: SRUW4I5

Yeah. Those should always be enforced. Especially after they apply to all innocent life.

reply from: carolemarie

I still don't think it should be a crime.
and I don't think teenagers should be having sex, but the reality is that they do.

reply from: SRUW4I5

What's wrong with us teenagers having sex?

reply from: carolemarie

the consequences of sex means broken hearts, STD's babies and abortions....
Plus God tells us to wait till we are married, which is ample reason to wait.
we need to learn to control our desires or they will control us.

reply from: Shenanigans

Yet you don't think a 14 year old having sex with an 18 year old or an adult should be a crime?
If teens are going to be having sex, what's the difference in a 14 year old having sex with a 18 year old and her having sex with say, a 53 year old? Sex is sex, right? If she's old enough to choose to have sex with an 18 year old, surely, by your logic, she's wise in the ways of the world to do it with a 53 year old?

reply from: carolemarie

Yet you don't think a 14 year old having sex with an 18 year old or an adult should be a crime?
If teens are going to be having sex, what's the difference in a 14 year old having sex with a 18 year old and her having sex with say, a 53 year old? Sex is sex, right? If she's old enough to choose to have sex with an 18 year old, surely, by your logic, she's wise in the ways of the world to do it with a 53 year old?
The 18 year old is just a boy in her school, a senior! The 53 year old is a child molester! Or a pimp-that is always wrong.
There is an extreme difference in the two things.
14 year olds are not confused about what sex is.
I knew what it was at 14, and I knew the difference between rape and something consentual.
I feel that sending a boy to jail for that is extreme.

reply from: Shenanigans

I'll make it simple:
You cannot use the argument that a 14 year old knows what sex is, and that if she consents it does not make it rape if she has sex with an 18 year old and then turn around and say sex with the 53 year old is wrong.
If she knows what sex is at 14 then what does it matter who she does it with?
If she conscents to having sex with a 18 year old and she knows exactly what sex is, you claim its not rape.
Therefore, if she consents to having sex with a 53 year old and she knows exactly what sex is, it is not rape.
I'm just taking your thought process to its logical conclusion.
You seem to be trying to have your cake and eat it too.

reply from: yoda

Maybe, maybe not. Maybe he's a dropout from another state....
Maybe, maybe not..... maybe he's just a lonely old guy..... how do you know?
Then according to you, she ought to be allowed to choose to have sex with anyone she wants to, right?
Who's talking about "boys"? The subject is MEN having sex with girls, not "boys".

reply from: yoda

Or as Mark Crutcher (MC3) said "You can't have your Falstaff and have him slim too".

reply from: Yuuki

"Adult" is the age of the male, and that is different in different states. I had in mind 21, but even at 18 I still think it's wrong, immoral, and I think should stay a criminal offense. Carole obviously disagrees.
18 is adult in my book, and really 17 is okay too. Younger than that, no. Should a 21 year old have sex with a 14 year old? No. But an 18 year old? Hell, they could both be in college and I have no problem with that.

reply from: Yuuki

I agree, it makes the most sense.

reply from: Yuuki

... but you're okay with an 18 year old having sex with a 14 year old anyway. O.o ?

reply from: scopia19822

"18 is adult in my book, and really 17 is okay too. Younger than that, no. Should a 21 year old have sex with a 14 year old? No. But an 18 year old? Hell, they could both be in college and I have no problem with that."
I think an 18-19 year old boy having sex with a 16 or 17 year old shouldn't be locked up, thats 3-4 years difference, most laws allow for that. Teens shouldnt be having sex period, they are still emotionally children and sex is an adult act/freedom with responsibilty and consequneces, most teens arent IMHO mature enough to handle them. I think people should wait until they are married, but if not if they want to have sex than they need to be out on their own with a job and paying there own bills. If you have to live at home and sponge off mom and dad than you have alot of growing up to do.

reply from: carolemarie

Let me try to explain this again.
I am not for teenagers having sex. But regardless of how I feel about it, they do have sex.
a 14 year old freshman and an 18 year old senior are both in high school, in the same school....not a great crime to date or rape if they sleep together.
We are talking about kids , same with 15 and 19
If the boy is convicted he has to register as a sex offender the rest of his life! It is wrong to destroy his life. The girls life isn't destroyed! She has no consequences for her choices, except being the reason a young mans future is destroyed.

reply from: Yuuki

Basically I think Carole's statements were misinterpreted by Yoda (not a surprise). She's pretty much agreeing with the 4-years-difference laws that many of us are agreeing with.

reply from: Banned Member

A person could easily say... "I am not saying that minors or that anyone should have abortions. I am simply saying that abortion is not murder."
Would that make any sense?

reply from: Banned Member

And things have changed? Only now they just call it sex.

reply from: yoda

14 is the age under discussion right now.

reply from: yoda

Basically, you're full of crap, but what's new about that?
My quote of what she said was precisely accurate, which you'd know if you had bothered to check... instead of running off your mouth attacking me.
Backpedaling does not change the reality of past statements.

reply from: Yuuki

14 is the age under discussion right now.
Then why is 14-18 listed in your poll?

reply from: sk1bianca

the problem is that kids have sex for all the stupid reasons:
- "sex makes you an adult".
- love = sex
- having sex with older guys is "cool".
- older guys make a girl "feel like a woman".
- "everybody's doing it".
- sex means emancipation... and so on...
they are not raped, they often do it because they think it's just a way of "having fun".
i said it before and i'll say it again.
if someone isn't ready to deal with the possible consequences of sex (like pregnancy) than he/she shouldn't be allowed to have sex.

reply from: yoda

That is the range mentioned by carole. And that range includes 14 year olds does it not? Are you okay with 14 year olds having sex with adult males?

reply from: yoda

7-2 against letting the adult male off the hook...... hmmm.... and those two seem to be both proaborts....

reply from: Yuuki

That is the range mentioned by carole. And that range includes 14 year olds does it not? Are you okay with 14 year olds having sex with adult males?
I have already said that I do not approve of anyone under the age of 17 having sex PERIOD, much less with someone more than 4 years older than them. For 14 year olds, no sex, period. Just no; Ick! I can't even stop cringing about it until age 16, and 17 or 18 is better still. So no, I do not approce of 14 year olds having sex with ANYONE, much less adults, whether you call it at 18 or 21.

reply from: carolemarie

That is true, so that is why I am against charging an guy under 21 with a sex crime.

reply from: sk1bianca

if it was rape, it can be proven by a medical examination (people can lie, girls often say they were raped when their parents find out they had sex). in this case the guy should obviously be put in jail. i would suggest a tougher sentence if the victim is younger than 14.
if the girl agreed to have sex with the guy (usualy ends up crying her eyes out and saying that they are "inlove"), i guess there should be some sort of punishment (adults are expected to behave in a more responsible way), but not as harsh as in the case of rape.

reply from: yoda

And laws that punish the adult men?

reply from: yoda

That is true, so that is why I am against charging an guy under 21 with a sex crime.
How does what she said make it wrong to charge the adult men?

reply from: faithman

And laws that punish the adult men?
Just turn them over to the girl's dad. I think he could figure out how to punish one who would violate his daughter.

reply from: yoda

You do know how hard it is in some cases to prove force, right? So if you make punishment dependent upon whether force is used, all rapists will just claim it was "consensual" whether it was or not. That's why age of consent laws classify all such sex as rape.

reply from: scopia19822

"That is true, so that is why I am against charging an guy under 21 with a sex crime."
Even if they are over 18, but having sex with someone under 16? Im sorry but if anyone over the age of 18, but not yet 21 sleeps with someone under 16 they need to be locked up. If some one 21 and up has sex with someone under 18 they need to be locked up. Gender doesnt matter to me, an adult woman who has sex with a teen is just as bad as a man and needs to be charged accordingy.

reply from: scopia19822

"7-2 against letting the adult male off the hook...... hmmm.... and those two seem to be both proaborts...."
The law should also be applied to adult women as well.

reply from: Shenanigans

Absolutely! And stronger punishments then "home detention" or a slap on the wrist like some of those *****s are getting.
Further more, this 4 year difference rule I've been reading about? The supporters of which... I think need to do the math. Else it means a 10 year old can have sex with a 6 year old?
Seesh.
The law is to protect the weak, not let a few "tough" or "well, its not that bad" cases off the hook.

reply from: scopia19822

"Further more, this 4 year difference rule I've been reading about? The supporters of which... I think need to do the math. Else it means a 10 year old can have sex with a 6 year old? "
I dont know how they would treat cases involving such young children, I assume the 10 yr old would be charged as a juvenile. In my state of Virginia a 17 year can be charged for having sex with a 12 or 13 year old as the state allows 3 years difference.

reply from: yoda

They do, you just don't hear about that as often. Testosterone is much more aggressive than estrogen.

reply from: scopia19822

"They do, you just don't hear about that as often. Testosterone is much more aggressive than estrogen."
I think we will start too once with this epidemic of female teachers having sex with their underage students... its disgusting and a violation of a trust that parents put into the hands of these educators to teach their children and keep them safe.

reply from: faithman

this can be traced directly to Planned Parenthood sex ed. They teach kids that not even their parents can tell them who and when to have sex, even if that means with adults. And we know they are perfectly willing to cover up the crime with abortion if things go "wrong". Anyone who thinks Planned Parenthood is an answere, probly believe firemen should use high octane jet fuel to pump on fires.

reply from: scopia19822

"Anyone who thinks Planned Parenthood is an answere, probly believe firemen should use high octane jet fuel to pump on fires."
The local Health Department provides sex education in the public schools here. We dont have a PP for 2 hours each way from us. Sex ed isnt comprehensive enough certainly not PP, they dont teach about the side effects of the various methods of BC or exactly how STDS effect the body. They dont teach about fetal development , the facts of pregnancy and childbirth or the truth of abortion method or its complications. I will not permit my son to be in the sex ed classes at school, I will do my job as a parent and teach him, if I cant answer the question I will look it up or go to the library to find a book so that I can answer him. But I will not leave him into the hands of the State.

reply from: Yuuki

And laws that punish the adult men?
If some freak over the age of 18 is having sex with someone who is under the age of 17 AND he's more than 4 years older than her, then he should be labeled a sex offender. But an 18 year old with a 17 year old? No.

reply from: yoda

We were discussing 14-18 year olds with adult men, who could be 21 or so.
So the most glaring example would be a 21 year old man with a 14 year old girl, and carole says such a man ought not be charged with any crime.
Agree or disagree?

reply from: Yuuki

We were discussing 14-18 year olds with adult men, who could be 21 or so.
So the most glaring example would be a 21 year old man with a 14 year old girl, and carole says such a man ought not be charged with any crime.
Agree or disagree?
I would not be offended by an 18 year old with a 21 year old. I agree with the law that 18 is adult, so that wold be two adults and what they do in their spare time is none of my business. 17 and younger with a 21 year old, yes then it's bad. 21 with 14, yes, he's definitely a sex offender.

reply from: yoda

Well, looks like you are agreeing with me, and admitting that I did not "twist" carole's position after all...... surprise, surprise......

reply from: Yuuki

Well, looks like you are agreeing with me, and admitting that I did not "twist" carole's position after all...... surprise, surprise......
I don't recall Carole saying it was okay for a 21 year old to have sex with a 14 year old. Maybe she said an 18 year old with a 14 year old was okay; and I disagree with her on that. But since case 1 is what you're implying, I may agree with your moral standpoint but I still feel you've twisted her words. Surprise, surprise. I think she explained her self and clarified her stance very well, and although I don't agree with her, I feel you have been unnecessarily rude to her. Again.

reply from: 4given

Yet you seem to feel that Carole can't state her own position clearly enough?

reply from: yoda

Yet you seem to feel that Carole can't state her own position clearly enough?
Of course not. Just like Weenie, Yukki seems to feel it her duty to re-word anything carole said so it comes out better.... and then blame me for not re-wording it like she wants me to.
What a system.....

reply from: Yuuki

Yet you seem to feel that Carole can't state her own position clearly enough?
Obviously not; I did not see her specifically say "I am okay with a 21 year old having sex with a 14 year old".

reply from: CharlesD

I think it gets kind of touchy when you have an 18 year old and a 17 year old engaging in consensual sex. I wouldn't consider that a rape, but the letter of the law might say so. There is a story I saw on tv not long ago about a young man who was 18 and his girlfriend was 17 and he was put in prison for rape. I think he's now about 20 or so and still locked up. By all means we should have laws to protect young people from pedophiles, but in that case it's pretty obvious that this boy is no pedophile.
But that has absolutely no bearing on whether or not it is right to take the life of an innocent human being, regardless of the location, stage of development, and circumstances surrounding the conception of that human being.

reply from: Yuuki

Right Charles. I wouldn't consider that rape, either. That's why the 4-year law makes some sense, but only if the younger person is above a certain age - in my personal opinion, 17.

reply from: yoda

Which is why that wasn't a part of the discussion.


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