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Video: Another Planned Parenthood Abortion Biz Covers Up Rape

by: juliee

Tucson, AZ -- After two videos depicting Indiana-based Planned Parenthood abortion center staff covering up potential cases of statutory rape, a new video has a Planned Parenthood in Tucson, Arizona doing the same thing. New hidden-camera footage implicates a third abortion facility in covering up a case of sexual abuse.
The new video also features UCLA student Lila Rose, who has become an undercover investigator of sorts by going to abortion centers and posing as an underage girl who has had sexual relations with a much older man.
Full story and video link at:
http://www.LifeNews.com/state3803.htmlhttp://www.LifeNews.com/state3803.html

reply from: LiberalChiRo

These specific clinics need to be shut down, or at the least the counselors/doctors involved who willingly performed the procedure on these girls should be arrested.

reply from: faithman

This must have the planned parenthood baby killers twisted up in knots. But killer carole would say the girl has the "right" to deside to kill a child.

reply from: carolemarie

This must have the planned parenthood baby killers twisted up in knots. But killer carole would say the girl has the "right" to deside to kill a child.
No I wouldn't. Consental sex isn't rape.

reply from: faithman

This must have the planned parenthood baby killers twisted up in knots. But killer carole would say the girl has the "right" to deside to kill a child.
No I wouldn't. Consentual sex isn't rape.
A minor child does not have legal consent to be sexually active. http://www.abortionno.org/ If it is to horrible to look at, then it is a horrible thing to do.

reply from: carolemarie

There is just no good universal situtation

reply from: faithman

OOOOH contrare. It is called turning the situation over to the Creator of the universe. To be pro-life is to universally stand for it, not make exceptions for an act of murder.

reply from: scopia19822

"These specific clinics need to be shut down, or at the least the counselors/doctors involved who willingly performed the procedure on these girls should be arrested."
Doesnt the fact that this is happening at PP all over the nation tell you this isnt just isolated cases? Something is going on with PP as a whole and the whole corporation needs to be investigated and shut down. They need to be investigated by the IRS and have their 503c status revoked.

reply from: Banned Member

Sex, so-called consentual or not... IS RAPE! Not sometimes, not occasionally, not in certain circumstances... ALWAYS!

reply from: carolemarie

I know the difference between the two things Augustine!
I consented to sleep with people when I was a minor.
I also was forced to have sex against my will.
Only the second was rape.

reply from: faithman

Not according to the law. Under age children do not have legal right to engage in sexual activity, not even with those there own age. Any sexual act between a minor and an adult is against the law, and statutory rape, and must be reported to the authorities, in some cases under penalty of law. Any professional who deals with children are under legal obligation to report reasonable suspicion of sexual activity of minors to law enforcement. ALL sexual activity between adult men and underage girls is rape.

reply from: carolemarie

Both were rape.
My choice = consenual
Being forced = rape.
Is it immoral for a grown man to have sex with a minor, of course. But that doesn't make it rape.

reply from: carolemarie

Not according to the law. Under age children do not have legal right to engage in sexual activity, not even with those there own age. Any sexual act between a minor and an adult is against the law, and statutory rape, and must be reported to the authorities, in some cases under penalty of law. Any professional who deals with children are under legal obligation to report reasonable suspicion of sexual activity of minors to law enforcement. ALL sexual activity between adult men and underage girls is rape.
I think if you are in 3 years it isn't considers statutory rape.

reply from: Banned Member

Reasonably, I am concerned that 20 years and three abortions later that you still believe that you were mature enough to be having sex when you were a teen. Even after all that you have been through. Have you considered that the person you consented with was only using you, the way that so many women are used by men? You didn't think that abortion was killing then, (still claim that women don't know that abortion is killing now) and yet even now you believe that you were responsible enough to be making sexual decisions at 15 years of age? and that 15 year olds today are mature enough to be having sex at 15 consentually with adults? That is extraordinary.

reply from: carolemarie

I don't even know how to answer that...I was a party girl, I thought sex was fun and then I found out it was profitable. I used men....that is the reality. I was not some pathetic little victim.

reply from: Banned Member

You were mature enough to understand why and how you were using sex, but not mature enough to later understand what an abortion is and what an abortion does? And you make the same argument for 15 year girls today? That they are mature enough to understand how and why they are using sex, but not mature enough to understand what an abortion is and what an abortion does?
If you are truly concerned about women and girls who would have an abortion, I want you to consider how that argument could be perceived. It is ironic, contradictory if not conspicuously deceptive and evasive.
Is it possible that while a person can even be trying to help others, that they themselves are still trying to justify the same actions that they themselves once chose?

reply from: Banned Member

Is it possible that while a person can even be trying to help others, that they themselves are still trying to justify the same actions that they themselves once chose?

reply from: carolemarie

15 is old enough to know what you are doing.
Little kids, like under 12 are victims.

reply from: faithman

Not according to the law. Under age children do not have legal right to engage in sexual activity, not even with those there own age. Any sexual act between a minor and an adult is against the law, and statutory rape, and must be reported to the authorities, in some cases under penalty of law. Any professional who deals with children are under legal obligation to report reasonable suspicion of sexual activity of minors to law enforcement. ALL sexual activity between adult men and underage girls is rape.
I think if you are in 3 years it isn't considers statutory rape.
It varies from state to state, but a minor does not have the right to consent to sex even with someone their own age.

reply from: carolemarie

but reality is that they chose that behavior and they are not victims!

reply from: Banned Member

Even if you are choosing to get an abortion?
You have said that women don't know what an abortion is! And yet you think that 15 year old girls are old enough to know what they are doing?
If a 15 year old girl is old enough to know what she is doing, than a grown woman is old enough to know that abortion kills a human person. You can't claim maturity even at the age of 15 and then say that grown women are so easily tricked as to not know what an abortion is.

reply from: faithman

Not according to law or science. The human mind is not completely developed until around age 18. That is why that is the age of consent. Some develope a little sooner, some a little latter. But 15 is three years before the mind is fully developed. It is also why teens do really stupid things like having irresponcible sex, and killing the kid if they get pregnant. I think your actions permanantly stunted your growth, as you continue to act like an out of control, spoiled brat 15 year old.

reply from: 4given

Truth is women (most) understand that sex may result in a pregancy. Pregnancy may result in an unwanted child- be it 15 or 32, most understand. Abortion clinics help them with any second thoughts by not providing adequate information about the stage of development and/or risks to mother. They certainly do not provide the women with the truth about how invasive abortion is or what their child will endure. As far as medical abortion (chemical), there again are few women that acknowledge their child as more than "tissue" or "cells". It may be a conscience thing, but many claim it is a lack of education and the staff described their children as such ..

reply from: carolemarie

Even if you are choosing to get an abortion?
You have said that women don't know what an abortion is! And yet you think that 15 year old girls are old enough to know what they are doing?
If a 15 year old girl is old enough to know what she is doing, than a grown woman is old enough to know that abortion kills a human person. You can't claim maturity even at the age of 15 and then say that grown women are so easily tricked as to not know what an abortion is.
I don't think teenagers know and can apprecitate the consequences of their choices. They are not good at delayed gratification and can have poor impulse control

reply from: Banned Member

But you said 15 is old enough to know what you are doing?
18 isn't old enough to know what an abortion is? There are a host of laws which we expect 18 year olds to know and appreciate and to follow. We can't expect that an 18 year old woman should know what an abortion is and what an abortion does?

reply from: Banned Member

We make laws to protect children because they are children. We don't allow children to sleep to be taken advantage of by some unscrupulous adult male. When that happens we call it rape and organization like Planned Parenthood are supposed, are in fact legally required to report the rape of girls and yet they show again and again they are more concerned with providing an abortion, even if it means breaking the law.

reply from: carolemarie

I talk to grown women who didn't know what they were doing. Lots of them didn't know.
Teenagers shouldn't be allowed to consent to an abortion because they are simply to young to appreciate how this will haunt them. Most just don't want to be found out for having sex.

reply from: faithman

Even if you are choosing to get an abortion?
You have said that women don't know what an abortion is! And yet you think that 15 year old girls are old enough to know what they are doing?
If a 15 year old girl is old enough to know what she is doing, than a grown woman is old enough to know that abortion kills a human person. You can't claim maturity even at the age of 15 and then say that grown women are so easily tricked as to not know what an abortion is.
I don't think teenagers know and can apprecitate the consequences of their choices. They are not good at delayed gratification and can have poor impulse control
The human mind is not completely developed until around age 18. That is why that is the age of consent. Some develope a little sooner, some a little latter. But 15 is three years before the mind is fully developed. It is also why teens do really stupid things like having irresponcible sex, and killing the kid if they get pregnant. I think your actions permanantly stunted your growth, as you continue to act like an out of control, spoiled brat 15 year old.

reply from: carolemarie

Even if you are choosing to get an abortion?
You have said that women don't know what an abortion is! And yet you think that 15 year old girls are old enough to know what they are doing?
If a 15 year old girl is old enough to know what she is doing, than a grown woman is old enough to know that abortion kills a human person. You can't claim maturity even at the age of 15 and then say that grown women are so easily tricked as to not know what an abortion is.
I don't think teenagers know and can apprecitate the consequences of their choices. They are not good at delayed gratification and can have poor impulse control
The human mind is not completely developed until around age 18. That is why that is the age of consent. Some develope a little sooner, some a little latter. But 15 is three years before the mind is fully developed. It is also why teens do really stupid things like having irresponcible sex, and killing the kid if they get pregnant. I think your actions permanantly stunted your growth, as you continue to act like an out of control, spoiled brat 15 year old.
I have taken complete responsiblity for my actions. I do not claim to be a victim! I don't want to be a victim, so how can you call me spoiled?

reply from: Banned Member

You talk to lots of women who don't want to admit they knew what they were doing. Many are the convicted who plead innocent even after they are sentenced. That is the righteousness of the convicted and of the guilty.

reply from: carolemarie

You talk to lots of women who don't want to admit they knew what they were doing. Many are the convicted who plead innocent even after they are sentenced. That is the righteousness of the convicted and of the guilty.
I use to think that but no, they are really that clueless. They don't know fetal development, they belive the rhetoric and they want the whole mess to be over.
Then when they find out the truth they feel lied to and tricked.
So yes, they don't know enough to make a good decision

reply from: carolemarie

OOOOH contrare. It is called turning the situation over to the Creator of the universe. To be pro-life is to universally stand for it, not make exceptions for an act of murder.
You are right....

reply from: sk1bianca

if it's true what you say, the fact that many women don't realize what they are doing when having an abortion is absolutely SCARY...
it's obvious they are not informed by the clinic staff. they are not allowed to be informed by the pro-lifers on the side-walk. and people even speak against pics of aborted fetuses, which show the reality of abortion better than 1000 words.
if women don't know what they are doing, a lot of people are certainly trying to keep things that way. so much for the "informed consent"...

reply from: faithman

OOOOH contrare. It is called turning the situation over to the Creator of the universe. To be pro-life is to universally stand for it, not make exceptions for an act of murder.
You are right....
Now if I could just believe that...

reply from: yoda

I agree with Augustine.... their ignorance is "contrived" by their desire to be deceived. Even a five year old knows what a baby is.

reply from: sk1bianca

i guess many of them don't want to know because they are afraid it might make them change their minds.

reply from: yoda

Yes, or worse yet..... feel guilty.

reply from: SRUW4I5

It varies from state to state, but a minor does not have the right to consent to sex even with someone their own age.
In some states they do. Some states have the age of consent as 16 (or did last year).
You can see a list of the "age of consent" for states at http://www.livestrong.com/article/12483-age-consensual-sex/ (its from last year so some or all may be wrong).
I checked the laws for my state, and unless I read it wrong it doesn't look like it's rape by default unless the person is under 16. Mistake of age is also a defense if the person is 16+ and there is a good reason to think their older.

reply from: faithman

God forbid that anyone should actually have remorse for murdering an innocent helpless person. They need chocolates, a cup of tea, and "compassionant" pat on the head. Then we need to exalt them high on the pro-life stage as heros because they killed a few!!!! We need to be Prolife because it is right to stand for the womb child. I will stand with the post abortive all day long as long as they keep it about the babies. "Post abortion" is not nessisarily pro-life. I know many post abortive who are strong pro-lifers, and are the most powerful witness at the mills. But their message isn't sloppy agopy tea party non sence. Their message is that abortion is a horrible choice with consiquences that last a life time. Their message is abortion is always wrong, anti woman, and an act of murder. They make no excuses, nor exceptions, nor hide behind their history as an unreproachable position to get away with making pro-death statments. Show one post where I have generally attacked the post abortive as I have been falsly accused. Show one general statment of mine that is anti woman. Let me save you the trouble. It don't exist. Unrepentant killers who make pro-death statments are not pro-life whether they are post abortive or not. Prolife most assuredly is primarily a womb child issue, for they are the ones who are being slaughtered. that is why the primary fous must always be on them. As soon as women are being legally exicuted for no reason by government sanction, then they will have equal focus on this issue. Many women are finacially strapped, but they don't kill their children. Many women have been impregnated by a rapist, or family member, but they do not kill their children. Many have education and employment enterupted by unplanned pregnancy, but they do not slaughter their womb child because of their "mistake". I am all for helping women in crisis, and personally have done so out of my own pocket. But this isn't a women's plight issue. If they were being killed for being poor, or bad situation under government sanction, then they would garner equal focus. It is social triage. We most focus on the ones most at risk first. Abortion is life and death for the child. Personhood is the cure. Then we can redirect our focus on the plight of those in crisis of hard situations. But while we are dealing with life and death, we must keep our focus, and resources on those who will die by the thousands this very day. Being "pro-fetus" is not anti woman, no matter how much you want to spin it that way. If all you did was "treat" the victims of a war, we would not win very many of them. We must but our resources into what stopps the slaughter. There are helps ministries galore already that folks can take atvantage of. But we must stop for just a moment, and see where the priority is in this battle. Lets deal with life and death, then we will be free to deal with quality of life issues. They are closely related, but they are not the same. The focus must be to stop the slaughter. That includes exstending compassion to killers thru the bars of justice. That is the way it is for the murderers of the born, and that is the way that it should be for the murderers of the womb persons, 4000 of which will die today because we allow it.

reply from: yoda

That's right, that's the only way to prevent them from having abortions... oh wait, too late.....
It's a favorite proabort trick... put the focus on YOU instead of debating abortion.
I like to say, "Yeah, that right... but how does it make killing babies right?"
They won't ever answer that one.

reply from: Banned Member

Between a child and an adult, sex is rape, whether it is consentual or not.

reply from: carolemarie

Between a child and an adult, sex is rape, whether it is consentual or not.
Augustine, if we actually proscuted men who sleep with minors, most men would be convicted sex offenders. And it would be wrong to do that when the girl consented to it. They are not predators, unless the girls are like 12 and under.
Seniors in high school are 18 and freshmen are 14 and they date....are these boys sex offenders? Or a college boy and a junior? Should they go to jail?
Teenagers should be not be able to get abortions without parents being involved.

reply from: Banned Member

Have you checked to see how many registered sex offenders there are in the United States? And don't assume that every teen girl is having sex with an adult. It's bad enough that we have such high rate of teen pregnancy without people like you claiming that teen sex and statutory rape are just normal every day events. I didn't have sex when I was 15 and I sure would never have had sex with a minor when I was 27. Are these 18 year olds sex offenders? They should be if they are prosecuted. Teenagers should not be having sex let alone having abortions with or without their parents permission.

reply from: carolemarie

It is a normal event for teenagers girls to date and sleep with older men. It isn't uncommon for teenage girls to date college guys...nor for a 16 year old to date an 18 year old! Our culture promotes sexual immorality, every song on the radio and TV show promotes teenagers having sex. I never knew anyone who didn't when I was a teenager....
I am just saying that the statutory rape laws are never applied because they are unfair. They ruin lives...

reply from: Banned Member

I hate to point out the obvious, but for a time, there wasn't anyone you knew who wasn't having sex.

reply from: scopia19822

"I am just saying that the statutory rape laws are never applied because they are unfair. They ruin lives..."
Not applied? My ex forced me to abort our child because he was charged with having sex with a minor who was 13. Apparently I found out from a mutual accquantice of ours hes now serving 25 years for this same crime. If an adult sleeps with a child they need to go to jail. Of course we need common sense as far as age differences go, most states allow for 3 years. If a 19 year guy sleeps with a 17 yr old girl, thats not a big deal IMO. However if someone over the age of 21 sleeps with someone under the age of 18 they need to be in jail, if a person between 18-20 sleeps with someone under 16 they should be charged as well.

reply from: scopia19822

"Teenagers should not be having sex let alone having abortions with or without their parents permission."
I agree. They shouldn't even be having sex period, leave the morailty/religion out of the equation they arent emotionally ready to handle the responsibilty/consequneces that may result from having sex such as pregnancy or STDs. Sex is an adult act, not something children should be doing.

reply from: yoda

And there you have it, folks. Carole supports underage girls having sex with "older men". Who knew?

reply from: scopia19822

"And there you have it, folks. Carole supports underage girls having sex with "older men". Who knew?"
I have a son and if I found out some adult woman was messing with him as a teen I wouldnt hesitate to file charges against her, just the same as I would if it was a daughter and some older man.

reply from: faithman

And there you have it, folks. Carole supports underage girls having sex with "older men". Who knew?
you shouldn't talk smack about her early busness practices. That is just mean and hateful.

reply from: yoda

Are you trying to shame me? Without giving me any tea and chocolates?

reply from: faithman

Between a child and an adult, sex is rape, whether it is consentual or not.
Augustine, if we actually proscuted men who sleep with minors, most men would be convicted sex offenders. And it would be wrong to do that when the girl consented to it. They are not predators, unless the girls are like 12 and under.
Seniors in high school are 18 and freshmen are 14 and they date....are these boys sex offenders? Or a college boy and a junior? Should they go to jail?
Teenagers should be not be able to get abortions without parents being involved.
Hows that counseling job at planned parenthood going? Sure took a page right out of their playbook.

reply from: Yuuki

Then you were hanging with the wrong crowd... most of my friends didn't take people older than them. I didn't date ANYONE, period.

reply from: faithman

Then you were hanging with the wrong crowd... most of my friends didn't take people older than them. I didn't date ANYONE, period.
... a justifier of evil, and would have us believe the killer stands for what is right.... ssssshhhhhhheeeeeeesh. go figure.

reply from: Yuuki

Then you were hanging with the wrong crowd... most of my friends didn't take people older than them. I didn't date ANYONE, period.
... a justifier of evil, and would have us believe the killer stands for what is right.... ssssshhhhhhheeeeeeesh. go figure.
... What? What are you trying to say in that post? Who is a justifier of evil? Who wants us to believe "the killer" stands for what is right?

reply from: carolemarie

I am just saying that I think the statorory rape laws are wrong....I think that teenagers shouldn't be able to get abortions without parental notification...or better yet, just not allowed to get an abortion.
There are plenty of 18 year old highschool guys dating freshman girls and that would be statutory rape....it is wrong to ruin a young kids life over consensual sex.
I don't think teenagers should be sleeping aroung, or sleeping with adults, but it is pretty common....

reply from: Banned Member

Abortions are pretty common too. Common practice does not make a thing morally acceptable.
The video clearly showed that Planned Parenthood was presented with a situation where a 15 year old had been sleeping with a 27 year old. In a previous video by Live Action Planned Parenthood was presented with a situation where a 13 year old was having sex with a 31 year old. Don't you think that's wrong? Don't you think that Planned Parenthood should have followed the law and reported the statutory rape? Shouldn't the law decide who has committed rape and who has not? and not Planned Parenthood?

reply from: carolemarie

I think PPH should obey the law....
I think it is deplorable that they don't.
And yes, I think it is wrong, I just don't think it is rape.

reply from: yoda

So what is your plan to legally protect young girls from being pressured to have sex with older men?
Or would you rather we just accept that they are?

reply from: Banned Member

So we should just let girls be... well, what ever girls are... when they sleep a 21-35 year old guy when they are only 13-17?
That's not terribly far from the woefully dangerous "I think that abortion is wrong, but who am I to tell another person not to get one?" argument.

reply from: yoda

It's just a hop and a skip......

reply from: carolemarie

I don't think it is rape, so why send a man to prison for dating a girl who wants to sleep with him?
They shouldn't be labeled as sex offenders

reply from: yoda

So, when a 12 year old gives in to a 30 year old, that isn't rape to you?
And it isn't morally wrong enough to be made illegal?
And you don't think that is a sex offense?
Oh, my.......

reply from: faithman

SSSSOOOO if a daughter wants to sleep with dad, we should just stay out of it because that is their "choice"?

reply from: yoda

I think I'm going to throw up......

reply from: carolemarie

Okay---
I don't think we should label a 21 or 19 year old guy as a sex offender because he slept with a 15, 16 year old.
I said nothing about incest or 38 year olds! Quit twisting my words around
And the girl is equally guilty of having consensual sex. She broke the law too.
Most girls wouldn't want their boyfriend sent to prison over a consensual relationship

reply from: yoda

So, where exactly would you draw the line?

reply from: carolemarie

right in that range 21-18 year old men who are having a relationship with a high school age girl....girls mature faster that men and usually do date men older than them.

reply from: Banned Member

CarolMarie, stop this defense of men who exploit underage girls for sex. It is not very Christ-like to endorse a behaviour that Christian thinking clearly opposes; adulty and fornication! This culture of young sexually active people is part and parcel to the raging number of abortions that occur every single day in America. This love it any way you can get it mentality has to stop!

reply from: yoda

And that would be exactly what age girls? 14-18?

reply from: carolemarie

yes. that is a reasonable age

reply from: Yuuki

*Sigh*
Here's my view on this. When I think about two high school students, say a freshman and a senior, they could possibly be 14 and 18. I do not believe they should be having sex. period. I'm not freaked out by them dating, but until they are BOTH over the age of 17, they should not have sex. Also, if you've graduated from highschool, don't date a highschooler - I mean really, don't you have something better to do? Like college students? And definitely don't have sex with a high schooler. When the teen is under the age of 18, I really set the age limit at like, 4 years.

reply from: yoda

This is beyond incredible to me...... that any prolife woman would say that an adult male having sex with a girl age 14 to 18 should not be charged with any crime....
I'm just speechless.......
I guess I'll have to start a poll on this..... this is just unreal to me.......

reply from: carolemarie

I am against turning these boys into sex criminals....
If your a high school girl and are sleeping with a boyfriend, he doesn't deserve to go to jail! It is incredible to me that you would believe that a 15 years old girl can't choose to sleep with a 19 year old boyfriend...I can see if he is 27!
I don't think kids should be having sex, but they are. This obsession Yoda has with jailing and blaming people is sick.

reply from: yoda

We're not talking about "boys", we're talking about adult men who have already turned themselves into sexual criminals by having sex with underage girls..


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