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by: faithman

http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby12.html

reply from: ChristianLott2

15 faux lifers on this forum

reply from: faithman

Unfortunantly that is the norm, not the exception. that is the main reason abortion on demand remains legal. If we were a righteous nation...well you know... but we are not. and "main stream " prolife is full of killers like carole. Does not bode well for the womb children unfortunantly.

reply from: ChristianLott2

real pro lifer list: cl2, fm, yv, nancyu, joe, sk1blanca, 4given
did I forget anyone?

reply from: sheri

You do realize if you ever do (by some miracle) come up with a valid prolife arguement that these people on your list will most likely not pay it any heed? It does the preborn no good to go off on crazy rantings. If people think you are mad they will ignore everything you say, how does that change minds?
You are on the wrong path, i hope you are humble enough to realize it and turn around before you get too lost.

reply from: ChristianLott2

all my pro life arguments are valid and logical. if you find one that's not you're welcome to argue it.
this matters to who?

you fight the pre born by defending pro aborts.
all pro aborts are crazy anyway. it's their responsibility to change their own minds, not mine.
same to you.

reply from: micah

lol. I love how seriously you, Faithman, and Yodavader take yourself.

reply from: ChristianLott2

This is a very serious issue.

reply from: SPRINGHEELJACK

YOU NEED A SPECIAL LIST FOR ME FISHBOY.
I AM PRO ME.
AND YOU ARE INFERIOR TO ME, BUT YOU MAY BE IN MY CLUB IF YOU SWEAR ALLEGIANCE TO ME NOW.
IF YOU ARE NOT FOR ME, YOU ARE AGAINST ME!
IF YOU ARE NOT AGAINST ME, YOU ARE FOR ME!
CHOOSE WISELY!

reply from: ChristianLott2

keep bumping my threads. thanks.

reply from: 4given

We know this faramir. Don't you have some yoga stretching to do?

reply from: SPRINGHEELJACK

I HAVE BEEN WATCHING YOU FISHBOY.
YOU HAVE GREAT ANGER, BUT THAT ANGER COULD BE POWERFUL INDEED, IF PROPERLY CHANNELLED.
JOIN ME NOW AND TOGETHER WE WILL RULE THIS BOARD!

reply from: ChristianLott2

I already rule this board, weenie.

reply from: 4given

http://www.abortionno.org/

reply from: SPRINGHEELJACK

YODAVATER DIDN'T TELL YOU EVERYTHING ABOUT ME DID HE?
I DIDN'T KILL YOUR FATHER, FISHBOY.
I AM YOUR FATHER!
SEARCH YOUR FEELINGS. YOU KNOW IT TO BE TRUE.

reply from: ChristianLott2

http://www.abortionno.org/
This is what they fight for. This is what they endorse. Every last lying faux lifer who aids cm.

reply from: faithman

http://www.abortionno.org/

reply from: 4given

http://www.abortionno.org/

reply from: carolemarie

We fight to help women make choices that are good and honor God. Because we care about them as much as we do for that child....
and posting a disgusting video will not reach that mom, but helping her pay the rent will....so choose where and what you do wisely

reply from: faithman

http://www.abortionno.org/

reply from: faithman

OOOOOO. Little punk trying to be SSSSSSOOOOO scary OOOOO. We are for you going away. How about it?

reply from: ChristianLott2

that you want dead. right.
whatever you say pro abort.

reply from: faithman

http://www.abortionno.org/

reply from: carolemarie

That is an outright lie. I do lots of stuff to help women choose life! And the only prolifers I have any trouble with are 4 nut jobs who post on a board....
I don't even think you are prolifers....you are pro fetus haters on a level with Fred Phelps

reply from: 4given

Many women have not seen an actual abortion. The images, though unpleasant do change some hearts. You said Malachi changed yours. In this age of visual gluttony, many require the gruesome reality. I don't like the video. It hurts me that such a procedure exists. Mom needs help with the rent or whatever else I get, but what kind of payment justifies the life of this or any child? How much is this life worth?

reply from: ChristianLott2

oooooooooooooooooo......

reply from: ChristianLott2

not much to this pro abort.

reply from: faithman

http://www.abortionno.org/

reply from: carolemarie

Your asking the wrong question.
Sin is in the world and people chose it. That is a given. Abortion is a sin.
How can we help them choose what is right? That is the question we need to answer. They need Jesus, and without Him, they may be back with the next pregnancy....or they can be prolife and gun down abortion providers....
without the Holy Spirit, people do horrible things to each other and themselves.
We need to give them living water, splash a little grace on them...

reply from: faithman

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Your wife shouldn't have had all of those abortions. They caused her breast cancer.
We already had this discussion. My wife did not have breast cancer.

reply from: carolemarie

Spinny, FM may be a first class jerk, but it is really cruel to attack his wife who isn't here to defend herself.

reply from: faithman

My wife never had an abortion, and she did not have breast cancer. But nice try scum bag. I hope you do keep it up so every one can see just how evil a baby killer you are.

reply from: scopia19822

"Spinny, FM may be a first class jerk, but it is really cruel to attack his wife who isn't here to defend herself."
If I have a quarrel with FM its strictly with him, not his wife whom I dont know, will never meet or know. Shes done nothing to me so I dont bring her in to the equation . If I remember she has uterine cancer, as FM did express his concearn when I mentioned my bleeding problems, which BTW I have an appointment in March to get it evaulated, the health department decided to pay for it. If anything is wrong they will send me to Roanoke to a state clinic that will treat me hopefully for free or on a sliding scale fee.

reply from: churchmouse

Hey Lott you forgot one addition to your list........YODA.
He thinks abortion is ok if the mothers life is in danger, right Yoda? LMAO
PUT HIM RIGHT BETWEEN TERESA AND ME WE CAN HANDLE HIM.
WELCOME YODA.
since this is such a childish thread I thought I would share........
This is cute, Blowhard Sandstone reminds me of a few people on here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A20j3PEl3Hk

Yabba dabba dooooooo

reply from: Teresa18

You've gone and lost your mind. If you want to have me on this list because I refuse to personally attack Carole, then you go right ahead. You can disagree with someone without personally attacking them.

reply from: faithman

But it is perfectly fine for them to personally attack the womb child with out being personally confronted about it? HHHHHMMMMMM!!! That is SSSSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOO pro-life. You would rather look good than confront killers..........

reply from: faithman

http://www.abortionno.org/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_RnBM5o00I&feature=PlayList&p=04EF336B4C325FF1&index=2&playnext=3&playnext_from=PL

reply from: Teresa18

When have I ever said on this forum that abortion is ok? I have never defended abortion. I just don't believe in tossing the sins of someone in her face because she and I have a differing position on abortion.

reply from: ChristianLott2

In your defense of the pro abort cm you felt it necessary to condemn our attacks on a ruthless, devious murderer and liar.
Defending such a liar and butcher shows you are more interested in appearing 'nice' than in defending the pre born.
You are not a friend, you are a pro abort defender.

reply from: ChristianLott2

I'm sure your other faux lifers want to be added to YOUR friends list. You're a liar and deceiver. All we've said about cm is the truth.

reply from: yoda

Still bitter, eh?
Too bad, I still say every woman knows what she is killing when she has an abortion.

reply from: yoda

When did you realize what you were killing? After which abortion?

reply from: faithman

Only if they are willingly ignorant and blind and succumb to general terms like fetus to cloud the issue.

reply from: carolemarie

When did you realize what you were killing? After which abortion?
I knew what I was doing. I have never said otherwise. I just felt like I didn't have any better options. I thought I was making a grownup responsible choice.
And trust me, I use to find it hard to believe that women don't know how to reason.....but as amazing as it is, it is true. They really don't know and don't make the connection.

reply from: yoda

That's totally beside the point.
It does not take any "reasoning" to know that babies are what make a woman's belly swell up......
EVEN A FIVE YEAR OLD KNOWS THAT!!

reply from: faithman

When did you realize what you were killing? After which abortion?
I knew what I was doing. I have never said otherwise. I just felt like I didn't have any better options. I thought I was making a grownup responsible choice.
And trust me, I use to find it hard to believe that women don't know how to reason.....but as amazing as it is, it is true. They really don't know and don't make the connection.
Only because killer scancs use terms like fetus to make sure the disconect happens.

reply from: nancyu

When have I ever said on this forum that abortion is ok? I have never defended abortion. I just don't believe in tossing the sins of someone in her face because she and I have a differing position on abortion.
Teresa, I believe you're pro life, but you are blind to the truth when it comes to cm.
Just treat her like you would any other pro abort, because that IS what she is. If you have read anything at all on this forum, you should know that by now. In fact she is worse than pro abort, she has used the fact that she is post abortive to decieve you and so many other, otherwise very decent people into putting her up on to her pedestal.
She is deceptive. She is lying when she claims to be pro life.

reply from: faithman

When have I ever said on this forum that abortion is ok? I have never defended abortion. I just don't believe in tossing the sins of someone in her face because she and I have a differing position on abortion.
Teresa, I believe you're pro life, but you are blind to the truth when it comes to cm.
Just treat her like you would any other pro abort, because that IS what she is. If you have read anything at all on this forum, you should know that by now. In fact she is worse than pro abort, she has used the fact that she is post abortive to decieve you and so many other, otherwise very decent people into putting her up on to her pedestal.
She is deceptive. She is lying when she claims to be pro life.
The worst part is she is lying to herself.

reply from: yoda

Quite a few moms have sent emails to abortionno.org saying that the videos and graphics on that website did change their minds.
Are you calling them all liars?

reply from: faithman

Quite a few moms have sent emails to abortionno.org saying that the videos and graphics on that website did change their minds.
Are you calling them all liars?
This from the one who said abortion pictures change her mind. But I think you have to take into account of wind direction. Seems she changes her mind as often as wind direction does. Does the wind have the ability to talk out of bothsides of it's mouth as well? just a thought.....

reply from: nancyu

I know where to look for more...

reply from: yoda

Me too..... I don't think anyone in the personhood thread is "faux".

reply from: Teresa18

Carole has repented for her abortions, and it's wrong to attack her for her sins. She's certainly done penance outside the clinic for years now saving babies. It is up to God to judge and forgive her, not you and I. I do voice my disagreements with her on abortion because we have some strong differences of opinion.

reply from: yoda

As you might guess, I'm not concerned about her spiritual status, but I do have strong concerns about anyone who represents themselves as a prolife activist and leader saying the things she is saying, and how she is saying them. A prolife leader ought not to sound like a proabort.

reply from: faithman

I agree.
Even if she has let her girly emotions blind her about CM being an undercover borthead, I agree as well.

reply from: nancyu

Carole has repented for her abortions,
[No. She has not.]
and it's wrong to attack her for her sins.
[Is it wrong to attack other pro aborts for their sins as well?]
She's certainly done penance outside the clinic for years now [No she has not]
saving babies. [No she has not]
It is up to God to judge and forgive her, not you and I. [That is true, so why have you forgiven her?]
I do voice my disagreements with her on abortion because we have some strong differences of opinion. [I hope your false image of her doesn't prevent you from continuing to do so at every turn]

reply from: micah

Then you must despise pretty much every Republican politician.

reply from: faithman

Then you must despise pretty much every Republican politician.
You betcha!!!

reply from: yoda

Since I'm not a Republican, I simply dismiss them the same way I do the Democrats..... all except for one Republican... Sarah Palin.

reply from: ChristianLott2

I agree.
I don't. (as if defending a murderer mattered.)

reply from: yoda

It matters. It show poor judgment, naivete, and perhaps wishful thinking, but not animosity towards the unborn, IMO.
I saw a history channel show last night about Lord Chamberlin and how he actually caused Hitler to be able to start WW2, all by himself. (It seems there was a plot by German generals to have Hitler arrested before WW2 started.) Chamberlin was vain, stupid, naive, and perhaps he even had a touch of megalomania. But he did not want WW2 to start. He just couldn't keep from blundering right into Hitler's hands.

reply from: Rosalie

After everything that is said here by 'pro-lifers' - and Faithman is one of the worst - I don't think ANYONE should complain about cruel treatment. Faithman and others have crossed the 'cruel' line long time ago and no one stopped them. And when someone gives them a taste of their own medicine, suddenly there should be an uproar? No. Same standards for everyone. Either these monsters play nice, or I don't see why anyone should.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Exactly. It would be more likely for cm to change her mind if she didn't have so many 'pro life' defenders fighting for her. It's very serious to side with someone who's vouching for murder. It's corrupt. In my opinion, it's unforgivable.

reply from: Rosalie

Poor, stupid, misled, uneducated women, right? They need others (and by others you mean pro-lifers of course) to make choices for them because YOU made a bad one and therefore everyone else MUST have the same mindset as you, MUST be ignorant and MUST be prevented from doing what you think is wrong.
Except that's not how it works.

reply from: ChristianLott2

No you see, fman has never attacked cm's family members. In fact, he's been defending the three she murdered day in and day out while other 'pro lifers' condemn he and I for it.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Poor, stupid, misled, uneducated women, right? They need others (and by others you mean pro-lifers of course) to make choices for them because YOU made a bad one and therefore everyone else MUST have the same mindset as you, MUST be ignorant and MUST be prevented from doing what you think is wrong.
Except that's not how it works.
Now who's REALLY the woman hater, Rosalie?
"women don't know how to reason"
That's the most sexist thing anyone has ever said on this forum and look who it's coming from?
You should ALL, pro aborts and pro abort defenders alike feel ashamed for helping such a lunatic.

reply from: yoda

Well I'm a little more forgiving of naivete and lack of judgement than I am of deliberate support of abortion. To each his/her own, of course.

reply from: carolemarie

Girl, the women on this board who had abortions will tell you that they didn't know it was a baby yet, that they were unaware of fetal development facts. I have a friend who had 7 abortions and nobody ever told her it was a baby. She was having fetal tissue removed....abortion clinics don't try to educate, they are a for profit business and supply the service we ask for. The phrase buyer beware comes to mind....clinic fight informed concent laws because it is easier to sell an abortion by telling you what you want to hear.

reply from: Teresa18

That's an arrogant statement to make. She says she has, and she has confessed her sins to God. You and I aren't God.
Obviously they aren't sorry, so it is important to tell the truth about where they are going morally wrong.
Ok, so standing outside a clinic getting women to choose life for 12+ years isn't saving babies? She told Faramir over 700 women changed their minds. That is 700 children here today because of her.
As a Christian, we are supposed to forgive whether a person says they are sorry or not. It's in God's hands, and she has repented to God.

reply from: Teresa18

It matters. It show poor judgment, naivete, and perhaps wishful thinking, but not animosity towards the unborn, IMO.
I saw a history channel show last night about Lord Chamberlin and how he actually caused Hitler to be able to start WW2, all by himself. (It seems there was a plot by German generals to have Hitler arrested before WW2 started.) Chamberlin was vain, stupid, naive, and perhaps he even had a touch of megalomania. But he did not want WW2 to start. He just couldn't keep from blundering right into Hitler's hands.
For not personally attacking Carole and calling her names, are you comparing me to Lord Chamberlin?

reply from: yoda

No, I just happened to watch that last night and I thought it was a good example of how people can be gullible sometimes. People with good intentions want to believe the best of others, want to believe that everyone is honest and sincere, even in the face of evidence to the contrary. That's an error in judgement IMO, not a lack of desire to do the right thing. Carole has used old established proabort arguments to try to make her point, and if one accepts them then it is perfectly logical to expand them to include all unborn children, not just rape babies.

reply from: yoda

No one needed to. Children learn that at age five.
I can just hear your friend talking to herself about what to do...... "Gee, I don't really want to shock my family and friends with this baby, what am I going to do? Maybe I should go down to the abortion clinic and ask them what I should do.... maybe they will tell me if there's anything wrong or immoral about having an elective abortion.... I'm sure I can trust them, they have done thousands of abortions and they know all about it. And if they tell me it isn't a baby, why I guess that will make it okay".

reply from: Yuuki

Many people "unlearn" things as they get older. One of those things is the fact that the unborn is a real baby.

reply from: Yuuki

I'd like to mention that I am NOT against personhood.

reply from: ChristianLott2

I see you're quoting cm now. Why don't you quote this: "women don't know how to reason"

reply from: carolemarie

Her mom took her the first time, in high school. They told her it was tissue.
Not a baby yet. Why would you disbelieve a Doctor and your mother?
She kept having abortions, she is now prolife, the mother of 6.

reply from: Yuuki

I see you're quoting cm now. Why don't you quote this: "women don't know how to reason"
I've had her quote in my signature for months. Also, I am pro-contraception in general, not just the ones that can cause a failure to implant, which are not abortions by any definition of the word.

reply from: churchmouse

You have not. And I agree with you Teresa, no one should do to Carole what is happening here on this forum. If you challenge them by sticking up for someone they hate your crucifide.

reply from: churchmouse

No yoda I am not. I am brutally honest and trying to be kind and you cant see that because your in DARKNESS. TOTAL DARKNESS.
When I dissagree with someone I tell them. When I agree with them I tell them.
And I DO NOT SHOW HATRED LIKE YOU AND LIKE FAITHMAN DO. HE WILL NOT EVEN ADDRESS MY QUESTIONS, AND WE ALL KNOW WHY. HE IS OUT OF LINE. You cant help it, your not a Christian you dont know better. You dont stand on the truth BUT FAITHMAN CLAIMS HE DOES.
He runs from questions. And so doess Lott.
HAHAHA
Then you are a hypocrite. Do you forget a few of our conversations on PM? You were so supportive of me and nice. That all ended when I challenged you and Faithman. And we all know that if ya defend carole......then you two show them hate.
Why were you the opposite to me before I defended carole? Were you lying? You sent me some real nice supportive pms remember? LOL
And how are they to be treated nancy? In a Christian way, or a non-Christian way? Do we do it like God commands or let Satan have a hand in your words?
Teresa.......YOU KEEP DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING. YOU ARE SHOWING LOVE AND CONCERN FOR SOMEONE WHO YOU THINK NEEDS IT. DO NOT LET THESE UNCHRISTIAN PEOPLE SWAY YOU. YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO SHOW HATRED TO PEOPLE YOU DISSAGREE WITH.
A lie. I have been attacked now........I am not a faux lifer for simply standing up against the treatment carole is receiving. My positions have not change.....I still voice my dissagreements with CArole and others.....but now I am hated. LOL
He has attacked. Yoda has attacked. You have attacked. Nancy has attacked. And most certainly you have attacked.
WHAT DONT YOU GET HONEY. JUST WHY IS IT SO HARD TO COMPREHEND THIS SITUATION?
I do not agree totally with caroles position. OK. Did ya get that? Let me say it again so it just might sink in this time. I do not agree totally with caroles position.
What I dissagree with is the way SHE IS BEING TREATED BY THE GANGSTERS ON THIS FORUM THAT LIKE TO SPEW HATRED UPON HER. It is wrong.
So anyone that sticks up for her and calls the gangsters on their behavior classifies those that do it......faux lifers.
The thing is.....you wont address my questions and neither will Faithman. Why?

reply from: ChristianLott2

A lie. I have been attacked now.......
Did we attack anything except your positions against the pre born? Have we attacked any of your family members? No.
That's what this response was about. Please reread the post. You are lying to say it's a lie.

reply from: galen

huh... i think CM is prolife ,and i think LM is prolife and you didn't even mention me..... just another proabort trying to cause desention aren't you CL2?

reply from: faithman

The best way to take the "ignorance" excuse away, is materials like IAAP. We need to get development pictures in front of as many eyes as we can. They are appropiate for even very young children, and are very good for public displays at fairs, Parks, schools, just anywhere a crowd is. I will supply these materials to those who request them for free. Just PM me. We will set something up.

reply from: yoda

Because she knew her mother wanted her to have the abortion, and the doctor would get paid for it?

reply from: faithman

Because she knew her mother wanted her to have the abortion, and the doctor would get paid for it?
No conflict of interest there!!!!

reply from: yoda

Good Lord, woman, can't you keep up with who said what?
No, but I'll take your word for it. Let me see, you're saying that because I was "nice", I should not express my opposition to what carole has been spreading on the forum, or react to your nasty personal attacks on me now?
Hmmm..... doesn't make any sense to me. But what else is new?

reply from: yoda

Really...... kids know intuitively when they're being lied to....

reply from: ChristianLott2

So you want to be part of the faux lifers now?

reply from: Yuuki

Nice post And yes, such things can help end the ignorance. I do actually appreciate your posters because they do not show an abortion! They show a child, and for that I think they are unique and effective.

reply from: Yuuki

Really...... kids know intuitively when they're being lied to....
Then why do they believe in Santa? Kids are so guillible. If a kid knew he was being lied to, he couldn't be taught the alphabet wrong; yet it has happened. Kids don't instinctively know. Now if you're a bad liar and you have a perceptive child...

reply from: yoda

Because parents have nothing to gain by telling them about Santa, but they do have something to gain by lying to their kids about pregnancy when they want them to have abortions.
That's what I mean kids can sense, when someone is lying to gain something.

reply from: faithman

Nice post And yes, such things can help end the ignorance. I do actually appreciate your posters because they do not show an abortion! They show a child, and for that I think they are unique and effective.
Then get your happy little self one. I will be more than glad to send it to you free.

reply from: Yuuki

Nice post And yes, such things can help end the ignorance. I do actually appreciate your posters because they do not show an abortion! They show a child, and for that I think they are unique and effective.
Then get your happy little self one. I will be more than glad to send it to you free.
I'm sorry that I'm not comfortable giving my address to you. I am, however, considering buying one of those "precious feet" pins I saw on another website.

reply from: Yuuki

Because parents have nothing to gain by telling them about Santa, but they do have something to gain by lying to their kids about pregnancy when they want them to have abortions.
That's what I mean kids can sense, when someone is lying to gain something.
I think it depends on the kid.

reply from: churchmouse

The past week or so you have changed and gotten nasty. You do way more than express your opinion. The way you have treated carole is nasty.
I am curious.......do you think I am pro-life?

reply from: yoda

Then why don't you get a PO Box at one of those mail stores?

reply from: yoda

Not nearly as nasty as you..... you've attacked me several times for no reason at all.
Yeah, I think so. I also think you are stupid, emotionally out of control, naive, and have very poor judgment. Anything else?

reply from: churchmouse

yoda said, "Yeah, I think so. I also think you are stupid, emotionally out of control, naive, and have very poor judgment. Anything else?

reply from: churchmouse

Stupid? Why?
Emotionally out of control? Why?
Naive? About what?
Poor judgement? How so?
Do you think your behavior has been above board?

reply from: carolemarie

CM, you had an abortion so all those things apply to you apparently.
Yoda feels justified in being hateful to you.

reply from: yoda

Your constant emotional attacks on others is not typical of a person with self control.
Honestly I don't really care. This isn't about me, and nothing that I post depends on my reputation to be true. Everything I say can be taken on it's own merits, no matter who says it. Let's try to focus on the reason for being here every once in a while, okay?

reply from: yoda

Ah now we hear from carolmarie, the professional liar.
You would rather climb a telephone pole and tell a lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth, wouldn't you?
Some of my best friends in the prolife movement are post abortive, but they aren't liars like you.

reply from: carolemarie

You are hateful to her and talk down to her and have been giving her crap for being kind and defending me against your lies and slander....calling her not prolife and other non-true statements.

reply from: Yuuki

Then why don't you get a PO Box at one of those mail stores?
XD I'm not a big driver, let's just put it that way. It's a lot of effort for something I wouldn't use or display anywhere. When I get my own house and my own car, I'll think about such things. For the time being though, I'd rather not.

reply from: yoda

Whatever I've been saying to her has absolutely nothing to do with whether she is post abortive or not, you lying POS.
And I have NOT ever said she wasn't prolife, you lying POS.

reply from: nancyu

Then why don't you get a PO Box at one of those mail stores?
XD I'm not a big driver, let's just put it that way. It's a lot of effort for something I wouldn't use or display anywhere. When I get my own house and my own car, I'll think about such things. For the time being though, I'd rather not.
Do you have a nearby Right to Life organization? Maybe faithman could send them there, and then you obtain them from them?

reply from: ChristianLott2

Yeah, I think so. I also think you are stupid, emotionally out of control, naive, and have very poor judgment. Anything else?
She's crazy.

reply from: Yuuki

Then why don't you get a PO Box at one of those mail stores?
XD I'm not a big driver, let's just put it that way. It's a lot of effort for something I wouldn't use or display anywhere. When I get my own house and my own car, I'll think about such things. For the time being though, I'd rather not.
Do you have a nearby Right to Life organization? Maybe faithman could send them there, and then you obtain them from them?
Hm, Florida... There are more crisis pregnancy center billboards than there are Planned Parenthoods around here. Actually there's only one PP I've actually seen down here... I could find the time to get the sign/postcards, but then what would I do with them?
I think they are lovely signs, but as I am not actively involved in street protesting, I can't really make any use of them.

reply from: galen

So you want to be part of the faux lifers now?
_________________________
sure sign me up... it beats being a hypocrite like you!

reply from: ChristianLott2

sure sign me up... it beats being a hypocrite like you!
anything to get along, huh?

reply from: churchmouse

Guys am I out of control? Be honest.
Give me an example to show us what you mean yoda. Show me when I bash, call names and hate people like you and your gang does.
Honey there is not one person on this board who is more emotionally whacked as Faithman is and you know it.
But you wouldnt think of calling him on his behavior.
Do you think his actions and words are always right?
Yea you do but you would never admit it. Who has this been about? Not the unborn child for you. No its been all about bashing and hating carole. Thats been your real focus.
We could all get back on the subject if you and Faithman stopped bashing. but you wont.......this shows your real focus.
You have changed.......and its not flattering.
and ya cant go one darn post without calling someone a name can you? And who is emotionally unbalanced?
Yuuki you can get those pins at most state Right To Life offices. Faithman does not have the patent on them.

reply from: Teresa18

Ok. Carole and I don't agree on issues, and we've discussed some recently in another thread. In fact, Carole may have changed her mind on one of those issues. I just don't believe in verbally attacking and calling names.

reply from: nancyu

I don't do street protesting either. I have placed some in a laundromat where I saw some planned parenthood literature on a bulletin board. I stuck one to a magnet and put it on my refrigerator. I gave some to a local pro life store http://www.ask.com/bar?q=joyful+hope+Auburn+Maine&page=1&qsrc=2417&zoom=Apartment+Rent+in+%3CKW%3EAuburn+Maine%3C%2FKW%3E|Things+to+Do+in+%3CKW%3EAuburn+Maine%3C%2FKW%3E|Hotels+in+%3CKW%3EAuburn+Maine%3C%2FKW%3E&ab=0&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.joyfulhopegifts.com%2F to display on her counter. I gave some to the Maine Right to Life organization for them to use. I left a few in the grocery cart I was using one day. There are plenty of creative ways to get people to see them. It doesn't take much for people to start seeing things in a different light.

reply from: Yuuki

Guys am I out of control? Be honest.
Give me an example to show us what you mean yoda. Show me when I bash, call names and hate people like you and your gang does.
Honey there is not one person on this board who is more emotionally whacked as Faithman is and you know it.
But you wouldnt think of calling him on his behavior.
Do you think his actions and words are always right?
Yea you do but you would never admit it. Who has this been about? Not the unborn child for you. No its been all about bashing and hating carole. Thats been your real focus.
We could all get back on the subject if you and Faithman stopped bashing. but you wont.......this shows your real focus.
You have changed.......and its not flattering.
and ya cant go one darn post without calling someone a name can you? And who is emotionally unbalanced?
Yuuki you can get those pins at most state Right To Life offices. Faithman does not have the patent on them.
Ohyeah I know; there's actually a website for them. And no, I don't think you're out of control at all.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Galen, CL2 has you on his "faux lifer" list. Shocking!! He has me on his list because he thinks I am "pro abortifacient" - I suppose that's because I support the use of birth control, especially long-term methods like sterilization, Mirena, the Nuva Ring and shots.
Don't worry about Mr. Snottie - he hates EVERYONE.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Because parents have nothing to gain by telling them about Santa, but they do have something to gain by lying to their kids about pregnancy when they want them to have abortions.
That's what I mean kids can sense, when someone is lying to gain something.
Parents want their five-year-olds to have abortions? Come on, now - how many kids that age really know how conception, pregnancy and childbirth work? How many actually know the proper names of the organs involved? Or are they limited to "the baby grows inside Mommy's tummy?" (Which is, of course, technically incorrect.)

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Your constant emotional attacks on others is not typical of a person with self control.
Honestly I don't really care. This isn't about me, and nothing that I post depends on my reputation to be true. Everything I say can be taken on it's own merits, no matter who says it. Let's try to focus on the reason for being here every once in a while, okay?
No, it's all about OTHER POSTERS. Why can't you just leave them alone and stop making personal attacks? You and Faithman, the Insult Twins, are embarassing and disastrous to the prolife movement. And your new little buddy, DrippingSnot, is a real treasure. Is he the alter ego of one of you idiots or possibly your newly-discovered son?

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Yeah, I think so. I also think you are stupid, emotionally out of control, naive, and have very poor judgment. Anything else?
She's crazy.
Look who's talking!!

reply from: yoda

It is ALL about the unborn child. And I will argue as strongly as possible with anyone whom I think is acting against their interests, like carolemarie.
What she said was a lie, and both you and her know it. And yet you ignore that fact. You know I've never said a word about your past abortion, nor have I ever said you were not prolife. And yet you ignore that. So be it. You have made your bed, now lie in it.

reply from: yoda

Ordinarily I don't either. But when someone tells deliberate lies in an attempt to smear me, I sometimes feel compelled to point that out in strong language. And it's so pathetic, because both CM's know that what she said were malicious lies.

reply from: yoda

But close enough, right? They know that a baby is what makes momy's tummy swell, right? Even you know that, right?

reply from: yoda

I really don't care about them either. The slaughter of unborns is the only thing I care enough about to bother to post online.
That you do not is obvious.

reply from: Yuuki

Because parents have nothing to gain by telling them about Santa, but they do have something to gain by lying to their kids about pregnancy when they want them to have abortions.
That's what I mean kids can sense, when someone is lying to gain something.
Parents want their five-year-olds to have abortions? Come on, now - how many kids that age really know how conception, pregnancy and childbirth work? How many actually know the proper names of the organs involved? Or are they limited to "the baby grows inside Mommy's tummy?" (Which is, of course, technically incorrect.)
By age 6 I knew about it. Proper names and all.

reply from: yoda

Yeah, not to mention that some parents do want their daughters to have abortions when they discover that they are pregnant, no matter what the age... and carole seems to think they ought to all get abortions if they are young. So that was a rather hypocritical question from her anyway.

reply from: ChristianLott2

No. I hate people who hate the pre born child and defend their murder.
That there are many who fall into this category on this board is not my fault. I want people off the list, not on it

reply from: Yuuki

Yeah, not to mention that some parents do want their daughters to have abortions when they discover that they are pregnant, no matter what the age... and carole seems to think they ought to all get abortions if they are young. So that was a rather hypocritical question from her anyway.
I don't feel a parent should have control over that type of a decision period, even if the girl's life is in danger. Because the second person is inside the girl ALONE and no one else, it is HER decision to risk her own life.

reply from: scopia19822

"I don't feel a parent should have control over that type of a decision period, even if the girl's life is in danger. Because the second person is inside the girl ALONE and no one else, it is HER decision to risk her own life."
I think abortion should be illegal and parents forcing an abortion should be charged with child abuse. But if the girl wants an abortion and the parents dont believe in it, they should not have to sign the papers to permit it. We are talking about minor children and parents need to be involved in ALL medical decisions on their minor children.

reply from: Yuuki

If the girls' life is in danger and carrying the pregnancy any further is going to harm her, SHE should have the right to end it. If labor and/or delivery is going to dramatically decrease her chances of survival and abortion wouldn't, then that's the ONLY case I approve of an abortion.
A parent has NO right to refuse a life-saving treatment on their child. I don't care if the law says they can, like Jehova Witnesses refusing blood transfusion/s It's god damned CHILD ABUSE and I do not approve of it.

reply from: scopia19822

"A parent has NO right to refuse a life-saving treatment on their child. I don't care if the law says they can, like Jehova Witnesses refusing blood transfusion/s It's god damned CHILD ABUSE and I do not approve of it."
I would really appreciate it if you would not take Gods name in vain and Im sure others would agree. Also parents have a right to raise their children according to the tenets of their religion, I think refusing a blood transfusion is illogical, but its their right as parents to do that. If their child dies, they will have to answer to God. I will not permit my daughter if I had one to have an abortion unless the pregnacy was ectopic. I would do what ever I could to get her and baby as close to term as possible including inducing labor early or having a csect. I would take her to best specialist I could afford, there are so many treatment options available today that this argument is almost moot.

reply from: snapdragon

If the girls' life is in danger and carrying the pregnancy any further is going to harm her, SHE should have the right to end it. If labor and/or delivery is going to dramatically decrease her chances of survival and abortion wouldn't, then that's the ONLY case I approve of an abortion.
A parent has NO right to refuse a life-saving treatment on their child. I don't care if the law says they can, like Jehova Witnesses refusing blood transfusion/s It's god damned CHILD ABUSE and I do not approve of it.
Do you have the same view of a parent with a brain dead child on life support pulling the plug? Where do you draw the line between child abuse and accepting the inevitable?

reply from: carolemarie

If parents don't have the right to make a minor get an abortion, they don't have the right to stop her from getting an abortion. It cuts both ways.

reply from: ChristianLott2

ms ambiguous rides again..

reply from: Yuuki

If parents don't have the right to make a minor get an abortion, they don't have the right to stop her from getting an abortion. It cuts both ways.
That's why if it's illegal to get abortions in the FIRST place, we don't need to have this conversation.

reply from: Yuuki

If the girls' life is in danger and carrying the pregnancy any further is going to harm her, SHE should have the right to end it. If labor and/or delivery is going to dramatically decrease her chances of survival and abortion wouldn't, then that's the ONLY case I approve of an abortion.
A parent has NO right to refuse a life-saving treatment on their child. I don't care if the law says they can, like Jehova Witnesses refusing blood transfusion/s It's god damned CHILD ABUSE and I do not approve of it.
Do you have the same view of a parent with a brain dead child on life support pulling the plug? Where do you draw the line between child abuse and accepting the inevitable?
That is a completely different situation that applies to any loved one, not just your children. Letting your child die due to pregnancy complications is NOT "accepting the inevitable", it is being criminally negligent.

reply from: Rosalie

I think parents who force their kids to remain pregnant against their will should be charged with abuse. Because it IS abuse.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Parents who allow their children to get an abortion are guilty of neglect and murder.

reply from: Yuuki

You cannot call yourself prolife and support the preventable death of a child for the sake of "religion".

reply from: Rosalie

Parents who allow their children to get an abortion are guilty of neglect and murder.
Only in your sick, fanatical fantasies, women-abuser.

reply from: nancyu

If parents don't have the right to make a minor get an abortion, they don't have the right to stop her from getting an abortion. It cuts both ways.
NO IT DOES NOT CUT BOTH WAYS....SORRY...YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN.
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reply from: snapdragon

If the girls' life is in danger and carrying the pregnancy any further is going to harm her, SHE should have the right to end it. If labor and/or delivery is going to dramatically decrease her chances of survival and abortion wouldn't, then that's the ONLY case I approve of an abortion.
A parent has NO right to refuse a life-saving treatment on their child. I don't care if the law says they can, like Jehova Witnesses refusing blood transfusion/s It's god damned CHILD ABUSE and I do not approve of it.
Do you have the same view of a parent with a brain dead child on life support pulling the plug? Where do you draw the line between child abuse and accepting the inevitable?
That is a completely different situation that applies to any loved one, not just your children. Letting your child die due to pregnancy complications is NOT "accepting the inevitable", it is being criminally negligent.
So forcing an abortion is somehow more ethical? The risks of abortion are nearly identical to those of childbirth.

reply from: Yuuki

If the girls' life is in danger and carrying the pregnancy any further is going to harm her, SHE should have the right to end it. If labor and/or delivery is going to dramatically decrease her chances of survival and abortion wouldn't, then that's the ONLY case I approve of an abortion.
A parent has NO right to refuse a life-saving treatment on their child. I don't care if the law says they can, like Jehova Witnesses refusing blood transfusion/s It's god damned CHILD ABUSE and I do not approve of it.
Do you have the same view of a parent with a brain dead child on life support pulling the plug? Where do you draw the line between child abuse and accepting the inevitable?
That is a completely different situation that applies to any loved one, not just your children. Letting your child die due to pregnancy complications is NOT "accepting the inevitable", it is being criminally negligent.
So forcing an abortion is somehow more ethical? The risks of abortion are nearly identical to those of childbirth.
... Where on earth did I say that? I will say once again that I feel it is wrong for the parents to have ANY say in the case of a pregnant child. The girl should carry as far as she can. IF, and ONLY if, it is determined that carrying had a serious risk of death, then the girl should have the CHOICE to abort IF it is the only option that is healthy for her. THEN, it is up to HER to decide if she wants to take that route. But she should not be FORCED to abort, EVER. Not by her parents, not by anyone.
The risks of abortion are identical to the risks of birth for NORMAL women of childbearing age. Young teens (which is who this conversation is about) are not normal WOMEN of childbearing age. IF she is at risk of dying, then just like ANY female she should have the right to abort IF it is the only safe option for HER.

reply from: carolemarie

If your kid dies because you deny medical care you should go to jail. Period.

reply from: scopia19822

"You cannot call yourself prolife and support the preventable death of a child for the sake of "religion""
So I can call myself prolife and aid and abet in the death of my grandchild? No way Lib, I will do whatever I can to save both of them, get the best medical treatment possible for my daughter to get her as close to term as possible. If the child is born prematurely and dies even with the efforts of the doctors to save it is one thing, to deliberatly kill it is another. Am I morally obligated to subject my daughter to an abortion under these circumstances?

reply from: Yuuki

Exactly. You should only have the power of death over yourself and only then through denying life saving procedures on yourself.

reply from: yoda

That strawman has been beaten to death......

reply from: Yuuki

That strawman has been beaten to death......
Do you think parents should allow their children to die?

reply from: nancyu

If parents don't have the right to make a minor get an abortion, they don't have the right to stop her from getting an abortion. It cuts both ways.
That's why if it's illegal to get abortions in the FIRST place, we don't need to have this conversation.
Right. And it is.
VVVV

reply from: snapdragon

If the girls' life is in danger and carrying the pregnancy any further is going to harm her, SHE should have the right to end it. If labor and/or delivery is going to dramatically decrease her chances of survival and abortion wouldn't, then that's the ONLY case I approve of an abortion.
A parent has NO right to refuse a life-saving treatment on their child. I don't care if the law says they can, like Jehova Witnesses refusing blood transfusion/s It's god damned CHILD ABUSE and I do not approve of it.
Do you have the same view of a parent with a brain dead child on life support pulling the plug? Where do you draw the line between child abuse and accepting the inevitable?
That is a completely different situation that applies to any loved one, not just your children. Letting your child die due to pregnancy complications is NOT "accepting the inevitable", it is being criminally negligent.
So forcing an abortion is somehow more ethical? The risks of abortion are nearly identical to those of childbirth.
... Where on earth did I say that? I will say once again that I feel it is wrong for the parents to have ANY say in the case of a pregnant child. The girl should carry as far as she can. IF, and ONLY if, it is determined that carrying had a serious risk of death, then the girl should have the CHOICE to abort IF it is the only option that is healthy for her. THEN, it is up to HER to decide if she wants to take that route. But she should not be FORCED to abort, EVER. Not by her parents, not by anyone.
The risks of abortion are identical to the risks of birth for NORMAL women of childbearing age. Young teens (which is who this conversation is about) are not normal WOMEN of childbearing age. IF she is at risk of dying, then just like ANY female she should have the right to abort IF it is the only safe option for HER.
A child needs parental concent to get their ears pierced, why should they not need it for an invasive procedure like abortion? The safety of the mother has always been permissable but a minor should be required to have a parents knowledge and concent, especially should something go wrong during the procedure. Young girls in other cultures, some as young as ten have been giving birth for years with far less advanced medicine than we have now. It is a shocking thing in the Western culture, but only here.

reply from: snapdragon

If the girls' life is in danger and carrying the pregnancy any further is going to harm her, SHE should have the right to end it. If labor and/or delivery is going to dramatically decrease her chances of survival and abortion wouldn't, then that's the ONLY case I approve of an abortion.
A parent has NO right to refuse a life-saving treatment on their child. I don't care if the law says they can, like Jehova Witnesses refusing blood transfusion/s It's god damned CHILD ABUSE and I do not approve of it.
Do you have the same view of a parent with a brain dead child on life support pulling the plug? Where do you draw the line between child abuse and accepting the inevitable?
That is a completely different situation that applies to any loved one, not just your children. Letting your child die due to pregnancy complications is NOT "accepting the inevitable", it is being criminally negligent.
So forcing an abortion is somehow more ethical? The risks of abortion are nearly identical to those of childbirth.
... Where on earth did I say that? I will say once again that I feel it is wrong for the parents to have ANY say in the case of a pregnant child. The girl should carry as far as she can. IF, and ONLY if, it is determined that carrying had a serious risk of death, then the girl should have the CHOICE to abort IF it is the only option that is healthy for her. THEN, it is up to HER to decide if she wants to take that route. But she should not be FORCED to abort, EVER. Not by her parents, not by anyone.
The risks of abortion are identical to the risks of birth for NORMAL women of childbearing age. Young teens (which is who this conversation is about) are not normal WOMEN of childbearing age. IF she is at risk of dying, then just like ANY female she should have the right to abort IF it is the only safe option for HER.
A child needs parental concent to get their ears pierced, why should they not need it for an invasive procedure like abortion? The safety of the mother has always been permissable but a minor should be required to have a parents knowledge and concent, especially should something go wrong during the procedure. Young girls in other cultures, some as young as ten have been giving birth for years with far less advanced medicine than we have now. It is a shocking thing in the Western culture, but only here.

reply from: Yuuki

Because getting your ears pierced is NOT a life or death situation. In the SPECIFIC situation I am speaking of, abortion is the ONLY safe way to save the young girl's life. To deny her the abortion and thus cause her death is MALICIOUS child abuse, period. We are not talking about elective abortion, which should be illegal period.
I realise parents currently have the power to kill their children by denying them life-saving care and I think it's extremely WRONG.

reply from: snapdragon

If the girls' life is in danger and carrying the pregnancy any further is going to harm her, SHE should have the right to end it. If labor and/or delivery is going to dramatically decrease her chances of survival and abortion wouldn't, then that's the ONLY case I approve of an abortion.
A parent has NO right to refuse a life-saving treatment on their child. I don't care if the law says they can, like Jehova Witnesses refusing blood transfusion/s It's god damned CHILD ABUSE and I do not approve of it.
Do you have the same view of a parent with a brain dead child on life support pulling the plug? Where do you draw the line between child abuse and accepting the inevitable?
That is a completely different situation that applies to any loved one, not just your children. Letting your child die due to pregnancy complications is NOT "accepting the inevitable", it is being criminally negligent.
So forcing an abortion is somehow more ethical? The risks of abortion are nearly identical to those of childbirth.
... Where on earth did I say that? I will say once again that I feel it is wrong for the parents to have ANY say in the case of a pregnant child. The girl should carry as far as she can. IF, and ONLY if, it is determined that carrying had a serious risk of death, then the girl should have the CHOICE to abort IF it is the only option that is healthy for her. THEN, it is up to HER to decide if she wants to take that route. But she should not be FORCED to abort, EVER. Not by her parents, not by anyone.
The risks of abortion are identical to the risks of birth for NORMAL women of childbearing age. Young teens (which is who this conversation is about) are not normal WOMEN of childbearing age. IF she is at risk of dying, then just like ANY female she should have the right to abort IF it is the only safe option for HER.
A child needs parental concent to get their ears pierced, why should they not need it for an invasive procedure like abortion? The safety of the mother has always been permissable but a minor should be required to have a parents knowledge and concent, especially should something go wrong during the procedure. Young girls in other cultures, some as young as ten have been giving birth for years with far less advanced medicine than we have now. It is a shocking thing in the Western culture, but only here.
not sure why this posted twice.

reply from: Yuuki

S'okay, I edited my post.

reply from: snapdragon

And when does this happen? Is the child's life automatically endangered by the pregnancy or is there no preserving both lives? I think you are stuck on an unrealistic hypothetical like someone else I know around here.

reply from: Yuuki

And when does this happen? Is the child's life automatically endangered by the pregnancy or is there no preserving both lives? I think you are stuck on an unrealistic hypothetical like someone else I know around here.
I'd say that no, her life isn't immediately endangered by the pregnancy and yes, there would hopefully be in most cases a way to save both. But IF abortion was the only way to save her life then it should be HER choice. That's all I'm saying, nothing more and nothing less.
"Ma'am, abortion is the only way to save your daughter's life..."
"No, I'm against abortion."
--later---
"Well, now you have a dead daughter and a dead grandchild. Congrats."
"Yes, but I didn't let her abort!"
That's why it should always be the mother's choice, no matter how old or young she is. If she's going to die, she has the right to accept treatment or reject it, and only her alone. No one has the right to condemn her to death, especially not her parents.
Before it ever comes to this, 99.99% of the time, of course there are other options and both will live. But I cannot ever say I am against ALL abortions because I will never, EVER condemn ANY woman to death like that. I am for sure against all elective abortions. I am against rape abortions and abortions done for fetal imperfections.

reply from: snapdragon

And when does this happen? Is the child's life automatically endangered by the pregnancy or is there no preserving both lives? I think you are stuck on an unrealistic hypothetical like someone else I know around here.
I'd say that no, her life isn't immediately endangered by the pregnancy and yes, there would hopefully be in most cases a way to save both. But IF abortion was the only way to save her life then it should be HER choice. That's all I'm saying, nothing more and nothing less.
"Ma'am, abortion is the only way to save your daughter's life..."
"No, I'm against abortion."
--later---
"Well, now you have a dead daughter and a dead grandchild. Congrats."
"Yes, but I didn't let her abort!"
That's why it should always be the mother's choice, no matter how old or young she is. If she's going to die, she has the right to accept treatment or reject it, and only her alone. No one has the right to condemn her to death, especially not her parents.
Before it ever comes to this, 99.99% of the time, of course there are other options and both will live. But I cannot ever say I am against ALL abortions because I will never, EVER condemn ANY woman to death like that. I am for sure against all elective abortions. I am against rape abortions and abortions done for fetal imperfections.
I can't think of even one instance in which an emergency c-section would not save both lives. As I said, it is an unrealistic hypothetical, kind of like JHR's scenario's.

reply from: Yuuki

I don't care. Even if it's almost never going to happen, I still could not say it*. That doesn't mean I don't want the 99% of other abortion illegal though, so I don't see why people keep harping on this.
*"I am against all abortions"

reply from: snapdragon

I don't care. Even if it's almost never going to happen, I still could not say it*. That doesn't mean I don't want the 99% of other abortion illegal though, so I don't see why people keep harping on this.
*"I am against all abortions"
If the strange impossible scenario did happen and the mother is dying I do not think the doctor would stop to ask the girl's parents if they can save their daughter's life and lose precious time. The life of the mother has always been first priority.

reply from: Yuuki

I don't care. Even if it's almost never going to happen, I still could not say it*. That doesn't mean I don't want the 99% of other abortion illegal though, so I don't see why people keep harping on this.
*"I am against all abortions"
If the strange impossible scenario did happen and the mother is dying I do not think the doctor would stop to ask the girl's parents if they can save their daughter's life and lose precious time. The life of the mother has always been first priority.
I would hope so, but who knows these days? Those parents could sue the doctor for murdering their grandchild for all we know. I cannot possibly imagine where an abortion would be faster than a premature birth/c-section, as most of these complications are late-term, and the abortion process takes several days as opposed to a c-section which takes (to my knowledge) less than 30 minutes to set up for and begin. So I suppose it would have to be an early term case; and almost no one can foresee that early on a lethal complication, and almost none occur at that stage. But again, who knows? Doctors should be at liberty to perform any procedure needed to save the primary patient's life: the mother.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Killermarie -
* has vowed to fight personhood 'tooth and toenail'
bowelmovement, rivermoonie, Yuki, scopia -
* pro abortifacients
fear-a-smear -
* megalomaniacal pro abort defender and whiner
Unsorted pro abort defenders:
SRUW4I5, lukesmom, sheri, churchmouse, Teresa18, Augustine, lycan, GratiaPlena, angelofsorrow, manson
F A Q
Why am I on the faux lifer list?
For defending abortion while claiming to be 'pro life' and/or defending a pro abort (usually killercarole).
What can I do to get off this list?
1. Simply request permission to get off the list with an apology for defending murder and/or murderers.
OR,
2. Unequivocally state you are pro abortion (or 'choice' if you must) and will not attempt to masquerade as pro life until you actually change your beliefs.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Killermarie -
* has vowed to fight personhood 'tooth and toenail'
bowelmovement, rivermoonie, Yuki, scopia -
* pro abortifacients
fear-a-smear -
* megalomaniacal pro abort defender and whiner
Unsorted pro abort defenders:
SRUW4I5, lukesmom, sheri, churchmouse, Teresa18, Augustine, lycan, GratiaPlena, angelofsorrow, manson
F A Q
Why am I on the faux lifer list?
For defending abortion while claiming to be 'pro life' and/or defending a pro abort (usually killercarole).
What can I do to get off this list?
1. Simply request permission to get off the list with an apology for defending murder and/or murderers.
OR,
2. Unequivocally state you are pro abortion (or 'choice' if you must) and will not attempt to masquerade as pro life until you actually change your beliefs.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Killermarie -
* has vowed to fight personhood 'tooth and toenail'
bowelmovement, rivermoonie, Yuki, scopia -
* pro abortifacients
fear-a-smear -
* megalomaniacal pro abort defender and whiner
Unsorted pro abort defenders:
SRUW4I5, lukesmom, sheri, churchmouse, Teresa18, Augustine, lycan, GratiaPlena, angelofsorrow, manson
F A Q
Why am I on the faux lifer list?
For defending abortion while claiming to be 'pro life' and/or defending a pro abort (usually killercarole).
What can I do to get off this list?
1. Simply request permission to get off the list with an apology for defending murder and/or murderers.
OR,
2. Unequivocally state you are pro abortion (or 'choice' if you must) and will not attempt to masquerade as pro life until you actually change your beliefs.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Killermarie -
* has vowed to fight personhood 'tooth and toenail'
bowelmovement, rivermoonie, Yuki, scopia -
* pro abortifacients
fear-a-smear -
* megalomaniacal pro abort defender and whiner
Unsorted pro abort defenders:
SRUW4I5, lukesmom, sheri, churchmouse, Teresa18, Augustine, lycan, GratiaPlena, angelofsorrow, manson
F A Q
Why am I on the faux lifer list?
For defending abortion while claiming to be 'pro life' and/or defending a pro abort (usually killercarole).
What can I do to get off this list?
1. Simply request permission to get off the list with an apology for defending murder and/or murderers.
OR,
2. Unequivocally state you are pro abortion (or 'choice' if you must) and will not attempt to masquerade as pro life until you actually change your beliefs.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Killermarie -
* has vowed to fight personhood 'tooth and toenail'
bowelmovement, rivermoonie, Yuki, scopia -
* pro abortifacients
fear-a-smear -
* megalomaniacal pro abort defender and whiner
Unsorted pro abort defenders:
SRUW4I5, lukesmom, sheri, churchmouse, Teresa18, Augustine, lycan, GratiaPlena, angelofsorrow, manson
F A Q
Why am I on the faux lifer list?
For defending abortion while claiming to be 'pro life' and/or defending a pro abort (usually killercarole).
What can I do to get off this list?
1. Simply request permission to get off the list with an apology for defending murder and/or murderers.
OR,
2. Unequivocally state you are pro abortion (or 'choice' if you must) and will not attempt to masquerade as pro life until you actually change your beliefs.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Killermarie -
* has vowed to fight personhood 'tooth and toenail'
bowelmovement, rivermoonie, Yuki, scopia -
* pro abortifacients
fear-a-smear -
* megalomaniacal pro abort defender and whiner
Unsorted pro abort defenders:
SRUW4I5, lukesmom, sheri, churchmouse, Teresa18, Augustine, lycan, GratiaPlena, angelofsorrow, manson
F A Q
Why am I on the faux lifer list?
For defending abortion while claiming to be 'pro life' and/or defending a pro abort (usually killercarole).
What can I do to get off this list?
1. Simply request permission to get off the list with an apology for defending murder and/or murderers.
OR,
2. Unequivocally state you are pro abortion (or 'choice' if you must) and will not attempt to masquerade as pro life until you actually change your beliefs.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Killermarie -
* has vowed to fight personhood 'tooth and toenail'
bowelmovement, rivermoonie, Yuki, scopia -
* pro abortifacients
fear-a-smear -
* megalomaniacal pro abort defender and whiner
Unsorted pro abort defenders:
SRUW4I5, lukesmom, sheri, churchmouse, Teresa18, Augustine, lycan, GratiaPlena, angelofsorrow, manson
F A Q
Why am I on the faux lifer list?
For defending abortion while claiming to be 'pro life' and/or defending a pro abort (usually killercarole).
What can I do to get off this list?
1. Simply request permission to get off the list with an apology for defending murder and/or murderers.
OR,
2. Unequivocally state you are pro abortion (or 'choice' if you must) and will not attempt to masquerade as pro life until you actually change your beliefs.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Killermarie -
* has vowed to fight personhood 'tooth and toenail'
bowelmovement, rivermoonie, Yuki, scopia -
* pro abortifacients
fear-a-smear -
* megalomaniacal pro abort defender and whiner
Unsorted pro abort defenders:
SRUW4I5, lukesmom, sheri, churchmouse, Teresa18, Augustine, lycan, GratiaPlena, angelofsorrow, manson
F A Q
Why am I on the faux lifer list?
For defending abortion while claiming to be 'pro life' and/or defending a pro abort (usually killercarole).
What can I do to get off this list?
1. Simply request permission to get off the list with an apology for defending murder and/or murderers.
OR,
2. Unequivocally state you are pro abortion (or 'choice' if you must) and will not attempt to masquerade as pro life until you actually change your beliefs.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Killermarie -
* has vowed to fight personhood 'tooth and toenail'
bowelmovement, rivermoonie, Yuki, scopia -
* pro abortifacients
fear-a-smear -
* megalomaniacal pro abort defender and whiner
Unsorted pro abort defenders:
SRUW4I5, lukesmom, sheri, churchmouse, Teresa18, Augustine, lycan, GratiaPlena, angelofsorrow, manson
F A Q
Why am I on the faux lifer list?
For defending abortion while claiming to be 'pro life' and/or defending a pro abort (usually killercarole).
What can I do to get off this list?
1. Simply request permission to get off the list with an apology for defending murder and/or murderers.
OR,
2. Unequivocally state you are pro abortion (or 'choice' if you must) and will not attempt to masquerade as pro life until you actually change your beliefs.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Killermarie -
* has vowed to fight personhood 'tooth and toenail'
bowelmovement, rivermoonie, Yuki, scopia -
* pro abortifacients
fear-a-smear -
* megalomaniacal pro abort defender and whiner
Unsorted pro abort defenders:
SRUW4I5, lukesmom, sheri, churchmouse, Teresa18, Augustine, lycan, GratiaPlena, angelofsorrow, manson
F A Q
Why am I on the faux lifer list?
For defending abortion while claiming to be 'pro life' and/or defending a pro abort (usually killercarole).
What can I do to get off this list?
1. Simply request permission to get off the list with an apology for defending murder and/or murderers.
OR,
2. Unequivocally state you are pro abortion (or 'choice' if you must) and will not attempt to masquerade as pro life until you actually change your beliefs.

reply from: Rosalie

Why should anyone have to show any respect for YOUR beliefs when you show none for THEIR beliefs? Double standards again?
I would like to inform you that your religion is NOT important than all the other religions and beliefs other people have and therefore you are not entitled to any extra-respect for your religious beliefs.
I have never abused a child in my life and I'd never do that.
If you had loved your daughter, you would never ever be able to force her continue the pregnancy OR have an abortion against your will. But that's only something that loving parents can do.
Would you be willing to physically abuse your own chid in order to force her to continue her pregnancy against her will? Tell me, how far would you go?

reply from: ChristianLott2

I have never abused a child in my life and I'd never do that.
I have never abused a woman in my life. You however have condoned the extermination of an entire class of people simply because they are young.

reply from: Rosalie

Really? You have expressed the sentiment that if anyone ever tried to abort 'your' child, you'd do anything, even physically abuse them, in order to 'save the baby'.
I do not condone 'extermination of an entire class of people" - please do not use words and prhases you clearly don't understand. Idiot.

reply from: lukesmom

Really? You have expressed the sentiment that if anyone ever tried to abort 'your' child, you'd do anything, even physically abuse them, in order to 'save the baby'.
I do not condone 'extermination of an entire class of people" - please do not use words and prhases you clearly don't understand. Idiot.
Oh, our informative little butt nuggett, thank you from the bottom of my heart for straightening this all out for us poor monster, idiot, stupid prolifers! Too bad you are a butt nuggett and forced to hide away. Never mind, know that we love you butt nuggett proaborts here and we try really hard not to pity you in your butt nuggettness...

reply from: Rosalie

Really? You have expressed the sentiment that if anyone ever tried to abort 'your' child, you'd do anything, even physically abuse them, in order to 'save the baby'.
I do not condone 'extermination of an entire class of people" - please do not use words and prhases you clearly don't understand. Idiot.
Oh, our informative little butt nuggett, thank you from the bottom of my heart for straightening this all out for us poor monster, idiot, stupid prolifers! Too bad you are a butt nuggett and forced to hide away. Never mind, know that we love you butt nuggett proaborts here and we try really hard not to pity you in your butt nuggettness...
Too bad your intelligence does not allow you to have a legitimate conversation with anyone without using made-up insults like "butt nugget". And "hide away"? You don't even make sense. That's probably because out of all your organs you only know how to use your uterus. Meanwhile, your poor, neglected brain just died from the lack of use.

reply from: lukesmom

Oh, our informative little butt nuggett, thank you from the bottom of my heart for straightening this all out for us poor monster, idiot, stupid prolifers! Too bad you are a butt nuggett and forced to hide away. Never mind, know that we love you butt nuggett proaborts here and we try really hard not to pity you in your butt nuggettness...

reply from: churchmouse

Lott we don't care about your lists. They are meaningless to us, as is your daily dribbles. You say nothing of substance.
To post the same thing ten times......is juvenile.....grow up.
Here is a site you really might like.
http://home.disney.go.com/tv/

reply from: ChristianLott2

Really? You have expressed the sentiment that if anyone ever tried to abort 'your' child, you'd do anything, even physically abuse them, in order to 'save the baby'.
I would do whatever it takes to save that child's life. That's not abuse, that's preventing abuse. It's revealing you can't tell the difference.
You do. You are a pro abort. You condone the slaughter of pre born babies. What do you think you're murdering? Dogs?
You misspelled 'phrases'.

reply from: lukesmom

Really? You have expressed the sentiment that if anyone ever tried to abort 'your' child, you'd do anything, even physically abuse them, in order to 'save the baby'.
I would do whatever it takes to save that child's life. That's not abuse, that's preventing abuse. It's revealing you can't tell the difference.
You do. You are a pro abort. You condone the slaughter of pre born babies. What do you think you're murdering? Dogs?
You misspelled 'phrases'.
Please forgiver her, she's just a little butt nuggett and doesn't know any better...

reply from: faithman

Really? You have expressed the sentiment that if anyone ever tried to abort 'your' child, you'd do anything, even physically abuse them, in order to 'save the baby'.
I would do whatever it takes to save that child's life. That's not abuse, that's preventing abuse. It's revealing you can't tell the difference.
You do. You are a pro abort. You condone the slaughter of pre born babies. What do you think you're murdering? Dogs?
You misspelled 'phrases'.
Please forgiver her, she's just a little butt nuggett and doesn't know any better...
Butt nuggett....snicker....

reply from: Rosalie

You cannot tell the difference between a misspelled word and a typo? Why am I not surprised? Oh, whyyyy?
Yes, that it is abuse. To physically prevent woman from obtaining a legal procedure IS abuse.
I don't and you're obviously too stupid to understand what pro-choice means. Pro-choicers do not support any systematic destruction of any age group of people, idiot.

reply from: faithman

Killers have to blur that line to justify their evil deeds. Darkness avoids light, because it is exposed for what it is in light. The borties want to cover their issue, and as the profetii killer has said herself," fight tooth and toenail" against the light of personhood for the womb child. Personhood is the light. The line drawn in the sand. The distinction between false and true. If things seem shadowy, it is no time to compromise. It is time to turn up the light of personhood until there is no more "what if" shadows. Just the simple fact of womb child personhood, and the final judgment of citizen jurist as to what punishment for those who destroy the preborn. That is the way it is for the born person, that is the way it should be with the womb child person.

reply from: SRUW4I5

Would I need to post one of those in public or would it work in private?

reply from: lukesmom

You cannot tell the difference between a misspelled word and a typo? Why am I not surprised? Oh, whyyyy?
Yes, that it is abuse. To physically prevent woman from obtaining a legal procedure IS abuse.
I don't and you're obviously too stupid to understand what pro-choice means. Pro-choicers do not support any systematic destruction of any age group of people, idiot.
Oh, our informative little butt nuggett, thank you from the bottom of my heart for straightening this all out for us poor monster, idiot, stupid prolifers! Too bad you are a butt nuggett and forced to hide away. Never mind, know that we love you butt nuggett proaborts here and we try really hard not to pity you in your butt nuggettness...

reply from: Rosalie

We've got ourselves another crude, loutish, vulgar spammer!
That just MUST be a 'pro-lifer'.

reply from: faithman

Killers have to blur that line to justify their evil deeds. Darkness avoids light, because it is exposed for what it is in light. The borties want to cover their issue, and as the profetii killer has said herself," fight tooth and toenail" against the light of personhood for the womb child. Personhood is the light. The line drawn in the sand. The distinction between false and true. If things seem shadowy, it is no time to compromise. It is time to turn up the light of personhood until there is no more "what if" shadows. Just the simple fact of womb child personhood, and the final judgment of citizen jurist as to what punishment for those who destroy the preborn. That is the way it is for the born person, that is the way it should be with the womb child person.

reply from: ChristianLott2

You cannot tell the difference between a misspelled word and a typo? Why am I not surprised? Oh, whyyyy?
You misspelled 'why'.
Yes, that it is abuse. To physically prevent woman from obtaining a legal procedure IS abuse.
So when abortion becomes illegal you will hold the opposite view just because the law says so? You're either a liar or a hypocrite but probably both.
I don't and you're obviously too stupid to understand what pro-choice means. Pro-choicers do not support any systematic destruction of any age group of people, idiot.
You condone the methodical and willful slaughter of pre born babies at whim amounting to 5,500 a day just in the US. 50 million since RvW.
Or were those all just dog fetuses?

reply from: ChristianLott2

Would I need to post one of those in public or would it work in private?
It's done.

reply from: faithman

Chin up my little butt nuggett. It is hard to be disappointed but to be disappointed when you are part of a sh*t heap must be especially hard. It won't be long now, you are completely rotton and the next stage is desintigration. Hold tight (*).
We've got ourselves another crude, loutish, vulgar spammer!
That just MUST be a 'pro-lifer'.

reply from: faithman

Why should anyone have to show any respect for YOUR beliefs when you show none for THEIR beliefs? Double standards again?
I would like to inform you that your religion is NOT important than all the other religions and beliefs other people have and therefore you are not entitled to any extra-respect for your religious beliefs.
I have never abused a child in my life and I'd never do that.
If you had loved your daughter, you would never ever be able to force her continue the pregnancy OR have an abortion against your will. But that's only something that loving parents can do.
Would you be willing to physically abuse your own chid in order to force her to continue her pregnancy against her will? Tell me, how far would you go?
Chin up my little butt nuggett. It is hard to be disappointed but to be disappointed when you are part of a sh*t heap must be especially hard. It won't be long now, you are completely rotton and the next stage is desintigration. Hold tight (*).

reply from: SRUW4I5

Would I need to post one of those in public or would it work in private?
It's done.
Thank you

reply from: Yuuki

I am NOT pro "abortifacients". I am not for any drug that induces labor and causes an abortion. I have also stated on the contraception thread that I disapprove of hormonal contraception that has a high rate of preventing implantation, even though that's not an abortion. I clearly stated that I would prefer these brands be removed from the market until they can be made more effective at their namesake: preventing ovulation and thus preventing conception. Right now it's false advertizing and it is misleading women. We're all told that hormonal contraception prevents ovulation, but it seems that the lower dose brands do not in fact prevent ovulation in most cases. So they either need to change their claims or their names.

reply from: scopia19822

"Would you be willing to physically abuse your own chid in order to force her to continue her pregnancy against her will? Tell me, how far would you go?"
I have never abused a child in my life and I never will. If I teach my child right abortion will not be brought into the equation. I will not sign the papers to get an abortion. If anyone takes her across state lines to get an abortion without my permission/knowledge I will not hesistate to have that person charged with kidnapping. Would you take a minor across state lines to get an abortion behind their parents back? Would you risk kidnapping charges to help a minor obtain an abortion?

reply from: nancyu

And the higher dosed brands cause dangerous side effects. Which is why they lowered the dose, and added other ingredients to prevent implantation. If you'd watched the video as you so stubbornly refuse to do (willfully ignorant) you would understand that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhZOBqdlE5M

reply from: Yuuki

And the higher dosed brands cause dangerous side effects. Which is why they lowered the dose, and added other ingredients to prevent implantation. If you'd watched the video as you so stubbornly refuse to do (willfully ignorant) you would understand that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhZOBqdlE5M
They CAN but do not ALWAYS do so. ANY medication can have dangerous side effects; I guess we should ban them all. I was quite aware of the risks of Depo when I was on it, thank you.

reply from: ChristianLott2

So why are you falsely advertising Depo as a contraceptive?

reply from: nancyu

And the higher dosed brands cause dangerous side effects. Which is why they lowered the dose, and added other ingredients to prevent implantation. If you'd watched the video as you so stubbornly refuse to do (willfully ignorant) you would understand that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhZOBqdlE5M
They CAN but do not ALWAYS do so. ANY medication can have dangerous side effects; I guess we should ban them all. I was quite aware of the risks of Depo when I was on it, thank you.
The point is THEY CAN. Don't worry sweetie, your precious bc most likely won't be banned. But as a person who is "pro life" as opposed to "anti life", I won't support it by saying it is a good thing.
ALL HORMONAL BIRTH CONTROL CAN CAUSE VERY EARLY ABORTIONS.
People should know this.

reply from: Yuuki

So why are you falsely advertising Depo as a contraceptive?
Because it was already proven on this thread to be one.

reply from: yoda

Interesting how such a debate as this can bring out the various value systems of posters.... in this case we have a poster saying that the convenience of certain bc chemicals is more important that the lives lost because of their effect on some women's uterus lining..... either that, or the positive vibes created by projecting a "moderate image" is more important than those lives.

reply from: Yuuki

And the higher dosed brands cause dangerous side effects. Which is why they lowered the dose, and added other ingredients to prevent implantation. If you'd watched the video as you so stubbornly refuse to do (willfully ignorant) you would understand that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhZOBqdlE5M
They CAN but do not ALWAYS do so. ANY medication can have dangerous side effects; I guess we should ban them all. I was quite aware of the risks of Depo when I was on it, thank you.
The point is THEY CAN.
So you think ALL medication should be banned just because it is dangerous; git it. Because surely you're not a hypocrite, and apply this to ALL medications right?
And ALL MEDICATION could kill you. People already know this. But NOT all hormonal contraceptives cause early abortions when used properly, so you're just lying again.

reply from: ChristianLott2

It's absolutely important that real pro lifers be distinguished from phonies.
Look at how this $850 billion stimulus bill will be passed - by 3 phony republicans.
It's apparent that once you let phonies claim to be on your side you've forfeited your negotiating power.
In light of this, I'd like to again ask all those currently on the faux life list to apologize for siding with pro aborts or confess to your pro abort party membership and to stop claiming to be pro life.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Killermarie -
* has vowed to fight personhood 'tooth and toenail'
bowelmovement, rivermoonie, Yuki, scopia -
* pro abortifacients
fear-a-smear -
* megalomaniacal pro abort defender and whiner
Unsorted pro abort defenders:
churchmouse, manson
F A Q
Why am I on the faux lifer list?
For defending abortion while claiming to be 'pro life' and/or defending a pro abort (usually killercarole).
What can I do to get off this list?
1. Simply request permission to get off the list with an apology for defending murder and/or murderers.
OR,
2. Unequivocally state you are pro abortion (or 'choice' if you must) and will not attempt to masquerade as pro life until you actually change your beliefs.

reply from: ChristianLott2

After some consideration I've decided to remove a few people from the faux lifer list (mainly to give me more room to post cm hypocrisy).
I think it's important to give people another chance. The people I removed are strong pro lifers who felt compelled to defend still avid pro abort carole for some odd reason, probably because we may have hurt it's feelings (as if wads of tissue had such).
Hopefully in the future this won't happen again. Defending pro aborts does not help anyone.

reply from: Rosalie

No, I wouldn't. I would hope to find a legal way to stop you from abusing your child by forcing her to remain pregnant against her will. If you exchange "remain pregnant against your will" for "have an abortion against your will", you will surely agree that this is a horrendous thing. What you do not see is that these scenarios are THE SAME THING. They both involve abusing the pregnant girl/women by disregarding her rights. It's the same thing, Scopia. I know you don't like it - and that's good, you shouldn't like anything like that, but it doesn't change the fact that this is what happens.
What I'm asking YOU is how far are you willing to go? Are you going to lock your child up? Are you willing to chain her in your basement so she doesn't get out and doesn't head for a clinic? Are you going to disown her if she has an abortion? Are you just going to show her your disrespect for the rest of her life for making choices different from yours and having different beliefs?
Just how far are you willing to go? You never answered that.

reply from: Rosalie

I didn't. I added extra yyys to illustrate the length and irony. I don't suppose you understand that.
I love how you seem to come off as smart and it's simply not working out for you!
I said legal because the procedure IS legal (and always WILL remain legal). Even if you were abusing the woman in order to prevent her from getting an illegal abortion, the abuse would still be wrong.
Being pro-choice is not pro-systematic destruction. Systematic destruction means that someone is trying to kill ALL of them, one by one, to wipe them all out. If you believe that, it just adds to the level of your insanity.

reply from: Rosalie

So this is how adults behave? Really?
I would expect maybe a 7 year old brat who was taught manners by a vulgar, chowderhead yokel to say things like this. Definitely not an adult.

reply from: scopia19822

"What I'm asking YOU is how far are you willing to go? Are you going to lock your child up? Are you willing to chain her in your basement so she doesn't get out and doesn't head for a clinic? Are you going to disown her if she has an abortion? Are you just going to show her your disrespect for the rest of her life for making choices different from yours and having different beliefs?"
I would never chain my child to a bed or lock her up, she will go on with her life as she did before. I will take her to her prenatal appointments and to counsleing if that is what she needs. I will not disown her if she has an abortion, my love is unconditional, will I be angry or dissapointed, yes I will be immensly, but I will never stop loving my child. My son God forbid could be end up being a mass murderer, I would turn him into the police, but I will never stop loving him. However I live in a region that borders TN/Va and both states require parental consent. You can bet I would have them charged criminally and sue them civilly. Any one that took her to the clinic or took across state lines to a state that doenst mandate parental consent I will have them charged with kidnapping. If my child has different beliefs than I thats fine, when they are an adult paying their own bills they can live according to those tenets until then they are in my house and will obey my rules. What if your daughter did not share your belief on abortion as an adult or embraced Christianity, would you support her choices or disown her? Stranger things have been known to happen.
"Just how far are you willing to go? You never answered that."
I just did.

reply from: ChristianLott2

I didn't. I added extra yyys to illustrate the length and irony. I don't suppose you understand that.
I love how you seem to come off as smart and it's simply not working out for you!
You don't think I'm smart? boo hoo
I said legal because the procedure IS legal (and always WILL remain legal). Even if you were abusing the woman in order to prevent her from getting an illegal abortion, the abuse would still be wrong.
The question would in your terms be stated:
"If abortion were illegal, would you still consider a 'forced birth' abuse?"
Or would you change your mind just because the laws changed?
Answer the question liar.
Being pro-choice is not pro-systematic destruction. Systematic destruction means that someone is trying to kill ALL of them, one by one, to wipe them all out. If you believe that, it just adds to the level of your insanity.
You are systematically wiping out entire branches of the human race. Those children, their children's children, their children's children's children, ad infinitim.

reply from: faithman

Oh, our informative little butt nuggett, thank you from the bottom of my heart for straightening this all out for us poor monster, idiot, stupid prolifers! Too bad you are a butt nuggett and forced to hide away. Never mind, know that we love you butt nuggett proaborts here and we try really hard not to pity you in your butt nuggettness...[by order of the queen of spamsville!!] TATATAAAAA [trumpet blast] [thank goodness I only bows low to the queen insted of low life scum...bad back you know]
So this is how adults behave? Really?
I would expect maybe a 7 year old brat who was taught manners by a vulgar, chowderhead yokel to say things like this. Definitely not an adult.

reply from: faithman

Oh, our informative little butt nuggett, thank you from the bottom of my heart for straightening this all out for us poor monster, idiot, stupid prolifers! Too bad you are a butt nuggett and forced to hide away. Never mind, know that we love you butt nuggett proaborts here and we try really hard not to pity you in your butt nuggettness... TATATAAAAAA [you know the drill]
I didn't. I added extra yyys to illustrate the length and irony. I don't suppose you understand that.
I love how you seem to come off as smart and it's simply not working out for you!
I said legal because the procedure IS legal (and always WILL remain legal). Even if you were abusing the woman in order to prevent her from getting an illegal abortion, the abuse would still be wrong.
Being pro-choice is not pro-systematic destruction. Systematic destruction means that someone is trying to kill ALL of them, one by one, to wipe them all out. If you believe that, it just adds to the level of your insanity.

reply from: nancyu

Yup, and TWO of them are from my own [socialist] state of Maine!


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