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How much pro-life material could be bought for the price of 42 pare of scanc shoes?

Good stewardship, or self indulgence?

by: faithman

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reply from: SRUW4I5

A lot depending on the kinds of shoes...
That fetus pic is kinda cute. http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6544/fetuswj2.png

reply from: Rosalie

I prefer my Louboutins to your stupid propaganda, Faithman. Is the fact killing you inside a little?

reply from: faithman

A lot depending on the kinds of shoes...
That fetus pic is kinda cute. http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6544/fetuswj2.png
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reply from: SRUW4I5

A lot depending on the kinds of shoes...
That fetus pic is kinda cute. http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6544/fetuswj2.png
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg
Some of them can cost $100 or $200 (sometimes more) for one pair...
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reply from: faithman

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reply from: faithman

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reply from: Rosalie

JIMMY CHOOS! MANOLOS! LOUBOUTINS! Yay shoes indeed!

reply from: Rosalie

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There's no way you could know if spinwiddy has 'an ugly behind'. Branding her as ugly just because you disagree with her means only one thing: that you are a disgusting misogynist.

reply from: SRUW4I5

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reply from: Rosalie

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reply from: SRUW4I5

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What propaganda? We were talking about a picture of a cute kid...
That shoe isn't cute, so the kid pic is better. Shoes are boring and unnecessary.

reply from: Rosalie

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What propaganda? We were talking about a picture of a cute kid...
That shoe isn't cute, so the kid pic is better. Shoes are boring and unnecessary.
That's definitely not a cute kid. I know cute kids, I've got one at home, too, and a fetus is defintiely not a cute kid.
Not to mention that you fail at recognizing that this thread is so ridiculous that I'm just going with it. But I wouldn't expect such high level of cognition from a pro-life person, so it's all okay.

reply from: SRUW4I5

Except I'm Pro-Choice?

reply from: Rosalie

Except I'm Pro-Choice?
Are you really? I must've somehow missed that, you don't sound like it.
But nonetheless, my points still stands. I don't think shoes are unnecessary, I don't think having nice shoes is wrong or unnecessary, and I don't think fetuses are particularly cute. Born children, however, are something completely different.

reply from: faithman

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reply from: faithman

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reply from: SRUW4I5

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http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/7254/fetus3hq4.png
I'll try playing around with it later. I'm looking for a better quality picture right now.
More Off Topic: Faithman do I really come off as Pro-Life? Since you seem to be a good judge of that, thought I'd ask.

reply from: faithman

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http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/7254/fetus3hq4.png
I'll try playing around with it later. I'm looking for a better quality picture right now.
More Off Topic: Faithman do I really come off as Pro-Life? Since you seem to be a good judge of that, thought I'd ask.
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reply from: SRUW4I5

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/7254/fetus3hq4.png
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg
I'll try playing around with it later. I'm looking for a better quality picture right now.
More Off Topic: Faithman do I really come off as Pro-Life? Since you seem to be a good judge of that, thought I'd ask.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8120/fetusfaceah0.png

reply from: Faramir

So this thread is about shoes?
If someone has "too many" shoes they hate babies?
WTF? (Excuse the expression, but it seems appropriate. Someone has gone off the deep end this time).

reply from: SRUW4I5

This thread is about how much Pro-Life material you could buy with the money some people spend on shoes.

reply from: faithman

http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby12.html

reply from: faithman

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Makes 'ya wonder how mant Pampers and cans of formula you could buy with the money he spends on his stupid fetus photos.
I wish you had been here when he was pimping the abortion issue to raise money for a big-screen TV.
http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby12.html

reply from: SRUW4I5

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Makes 'ya wonder how mant Pampers and cans of formula you could buy with the money he spends on his stupid fetus photos.
I wish you had been here when he was pimping the abortion issue to raise money for a big-screen TV.
http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby12.html
How is that horrible looking picture the result of it?

reply from: Faramir

This thread is about how much Pro-Life material you could buy with the money some people spend on shoes.
Why are shoes singled out?

reply from: faithman

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/7254/fetus3hq4.png
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg
I'll try playing around with it later. I'm looking for a better quality picture right now.
More Off Topic: Faithman do I really come off as Pro-Life? Since you seem to be a good judge of that, thought I'd ask.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8120/fetusfaceah0.png
http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby12.html

reply from: faithman

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Makes 'ya wonder how mant Pampers and cans of formula you could buy with the money he spends on his stupid fetus photos.
I wish you had been here when he was pimping the abortion issue to raise money for a big-screen TV.
http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby12.html
How is that horrible looking picture the result of it?
http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby12.html

reply from: yoda

Tsk, tsk, tsk...........
If that's how "Christians" talk, what's the point?

reply from: SRUW4I5

http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby12.html
I can't be on the other side of the line 'cuz I believe in abortion to save the womans life/health...

reply from: yoda

"Health"? You mean like if she predicts she might have post partum depression, she needs an abortion? Is that what you mean?

reply from: SRUW4I5

"Health"? You mean like if she predicts she might have post partum depression, she needs an abortion? Is that what you mean?
No. If a doctor (or 2 or 3) says it'll cause permanent damage that cannot be repaired or will leave her disabled it's health.

reply from: yoda

What kind of "permanent damage"? Stretch marks? Loss of that "school girl figure"? Sagging boobs?
Just how cheaply do you sell the life of an unborn baby?

reply from: SRUW4I5

What kind of "permanent damage"? Stretch marks? Loss of that "school girl figure"? Sagging boobs?
Just how cheaply do you sell the life of an unborn baby?
Stretch marks, figures, and "sagging boobs" can be fixed.

reply from: yoda

You still haven't named the price of the baby's life, why not?
Why don't you tell us what a baby's life is worth in terms of "permanent damage?

reply from: SRUW4I5

I think it should be decided by a doctor (preferably a pro-life one).

reply from: yoda

You would ask a "doctor" to decide whether or not you should electively kill your healthy baby?
Why on earth would you do that? Can't you make a life or death decision by yourself? Do you need someone to blame it on?

reply from: SRUW4I5

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reply from: SRUW4I5

You would ask a "doctor" to decide whether or not you should electively kill your healthy baby?
Why on earth would you do that? Can't you make a life or death decision by yourself? Do you need someone to blame it on?
I think it should be decided by a doctor if damage that can't be repaired and will permanently effect the womans ability to live her life enough that it wouldn't be worth it for her to continue living.
Personally, I'd only go ahead with abortion if I'd die otherwise.
All abortions are elective (women are given a choice if they want to abort or not even if not aborting would kill them).

reply from: yoda

No doctor can predict that. Some people with handicaps appreciate and love their lives, some who are perfectly healthy want to die. Your attempt to get someone else to make that decision for you stinks, IMO.
That's true, but the term "elective" is used commonly in medicine to indicate an operation that is either not for actual medical reasons, or not urgent. So I think it fits this usage quite well, thank you.

reply from: SRUW4I5

No doctor can predict that. Some people with handicaps appreciate and love their lives, some who are perfectly healthy want to die. Your attempt to get someone else to make that decision for you stinks, IMO.
That's true, but the term "elective" is used commonly in medicine to indicate an operation that is either not for actual medical reasons, or not urgent. So I think it fits this usage quite well, thank you.
Yeah, your usage fits. But, that usage fits too.
A doctor can sometimes predict if something will happen. If they can, I think the woman should decide if she wants to continue with the risk.
As someone likes to point out a lot, not that many abortions fall under what I accept as reasons. It's four percent or less.
Why not make the 96% (or more) illegal and leave the four percent legal? People aren't going to accept a total ban on abortion anytime soon and some progress is better than none.
Personally, I think some women that abort for "health" reasons are just lying to themselves and everyone else about it to try and make themselves feel better about it. That's why I think a doctor should be involved.

reply from: yoda

And doctors are wrong about as often as they are right, but you would kill your baby on that basis anyway, right? Well, at least you are now saying that "the woman" should make the decision. That's an improvement.
Because it's not our place to compromise away the lives of the four percent. Someone needs to hold the position that all babies deserve life. IF any compromising needs to be done, let it be done by the politicians, NOT by prolifers who are supposed to be the voices of the unborn. If no one holds out for all of them, then the politicians will "compromise" by "leaving" somewhere between 96% and 0%...... you don't start a bargaining session by giving your bottom line position first.

reply from: SRUW4I5

And doctors are wrong about as often as they are right, but you would kill your baby on that basis anyway, right? Well, at least you are now saying that "the woman" should make the decision. That's an improvement.
Because it's not our place to compromise away the lives of the four percent. Someone needs to hold the position that all babies deserve life. IF any compromising needs to be done, let it be done by the politicians, NOT by prolifers who are supposed to be the voices of the unborn. If no one holds out for all of them, then the politicians will "compromise" by "leaving" somewhere between 96% and 0%...... you don't start a bargaining session by giving your bottom line position first.
That's why I call myself Pro-Choice. I could never believe the life of a preborn child is worth more than the life of a pregnant woman.
Maybe you're right about the health exception... But, I'm never going to be able to believe in saying a woman can't abort to save her life unless theres a better option where both can be saved soon. I hope there is an option like that soon.
Making a woman get doctors approval to use the exceptions would lower the amount of women that can which would save some of the preborn babies lives.

reply from: yoda

No one is suggesting that. You just killed a strawman.

reply from: ChristianLott2

No one is suggesting that. You just killed a strawman.
they need to stop abusing strawmen around here

reply from: SRUW4I5

No one is suggesting that. You just killed a strawman.
I didn't say anyone was. I was saying I'm always going to be Pro-Choice because I'll never be against a woman saving her life even if it means with an abortion.

reply from: yoda

That isn't prochoice, and that isn't what makes you prochoice. No prolifers that I know of insist that a woman go through with a possibly fatal gestation. We just don't like to use the word "abortion" in that case.

reply from: SRUW4I5

That isn't prochoice, and that isn't what makes you prochoice. No prolifers that I know of insist that a woman go through with a possibly fatal gestation. We just don't like to use the word "abortion" in that case.
Really? well giving the woman a choice to abort is kinda the pro-choice side of it...
What word do you like to use in that case then?

reply from: yoda

You can still be prolife and not oppose a woman's decision to invoke self-defense in the case of a deadly pregnancy. It's still the same word. We just prefer "early delivery" to "abortion", to emphasize the difference in intent between those two things.

reply from: faithman

That isn't prochoice, and that isn't what makes you prochoice. No prolifers that I know of insist that a woman go through with a possibly fatal gestation. We just don't like to use the word "abortion" in that case.
Really? well giving the woman a choice to abort is kinda the pro-choice side of it...
What word do you like to use in that case then?
An unfortunant reality. No doctor should be given the power to purposly kill. This is not a "what if" issue. It is a "what is" issue. Anyone who has seen the development pictures, knows that they are looking at a fellow person. Every effort should be made to protect them from harm, and preserve their life. Abortion on demand is a mockery, and scurge on a nation who's founding documents says the first right from the Creator, is the right to exist. With out life, one can not live in liberty nor pursue happiness.

reply from: SRUW4I5

You can still be prolife and not oppose a woman's decision to invoke self-defense in the case of a deadly pregnancy. It's still the same word. We just prefer "early delivery" to "abortion", to emphasize the difference in intent between those two things.
Oh ok then. Maybe I could be a Pro-Life moderate then.

reply from: yoda

I don't know. Only you know that. The majority of dictionaries define "pro-life" as favoring the re-criminalization of elective abortion. Does that describe you?
Oh, and there is one dictionary that says "opposes abortion".

reply from: faithman

You can still be prolife and not oppose a woman's decision to invoke self-defense in the case of a deadly pregnancy. It's still the same word. We just prefer "early delivery" to "abortion", to emphasize the difference in intent between those two things.
Oh ok then. Maybe I could be a Pro-Life moderate then.
http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby1.html

reply from: SRUW4I5

Yes, people should be considered people.
Yeah, I don't think it'd be too bad to make killing on a whim illegal.

reply from: faithman

Yes, people should be considered people.
Yeah, I don't think it'd be too bad to make killing on a whim illegal.
If you believe your post, then you believe in womb child personhood. TRUE? If you believe that a womb child is a person, then you believe they are equal in value to the born child.TRUE? If you believe in personhood, you will not fight tooth and toenail legally establishing that fact to our fellow preborn persons. TRUE? If you believe these things, then you are pro-life. There is no middle ground. The line in the sand is clear. Either the womb child is a person or they are not. To stand on the "middle ground" is standing in a place of cross fire from both sides. Choose this day whom you will serve. The right to live? or the right to kill the defenceless. There is no fence to sit on.

reply from: scopia19822

"I don't think having nice shoes is wrong or unnecessary, and I don't think fetuses are particularly cute. Born children, however, are something completely different."
I dont think newborns after birth are particularly cute either, especially if they have a cone head. Some adolescents going through puberty are some of the most awkward looking human beings I have seen. I have seen some children that have a face only a mother could love, every mom thinks their child is cute. I dont tell a mom she has an ugly child its just not done.

reply from: ChristianLott2

There's really no such thing.
The defining issue is elective abortion, where the word 'elective' means not necessary and necessity implies immediate threat to the mother's life.
yv mentions 'early delivery' because the intent would be to still save the life of the child through an early delivery, not whole sale dismemberment (abortion).
If you have more excuses than that, say - 'mental health or well being' etc, then you are pro choice, not pro life.
If you believe abortifacient drugs which purposely prevent a conceived PERSON from implanting in it's mother's womb okay, you are pro choice.

reply from: ChristianLott2

A pro life doctor sees both as worthy patients.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Look up what 'pro life' means.

reply from: SRUW4I5

k pro-life it is... I do believe that the preborn are people... and I don't think personhood for them is bad as long as the woman can still defend her life. That's a major thing for me.
There is a such thing as a moderate. Moderates are the people that don't want abortion outlawed for every reason, birth control outlawed, map outlawed, etc. They're the more reasonable ones.
I don't think something that needlessly kills a person or prevents them from living is good.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Then call yourself pro choice w/ exceptions. Don't attempt to corrupt a pure message (see below).
Right. So then why would you endorse all your exceptions ("don't want abortion outlawed for every reason, birth control outlawed, map outlawed, etc. ")?
In order to be consistent to what you just said, you cannot have exceptions. If you want to be pro choice (w/ exceptions), be that - just don't claim to be pro life w/ exceptions, it's a contradiction.
In simple terms:
pro life = pro life
pro life "with exceptions" = pro choice

reply from: scopia19822

"If you believe abortifacient drugs which purposely prevent a conceived PERSON from implanting in it's mother's womb okay, you are pro choice."
Whatever, we dont know how HBC or the MAP will work in each woman. It may prevent implantation, it may prevent sperm from meeting egg or suppress ovulation. We just dont know what method will work to prevent pregnancy. I dont think the MAP should be made available to the general public, but I cant imagine telling a rape victim that she cant have the option of the MAP . If one has moral or religious objection to these methods because they may prevent an egg from implanting than they should not employ such methods to prevent pregnancy. Pregnancy prevention is a moral thing it shouldnt be a legal one.

reply from: CharlesD

The fetus pictures are a modern version of http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/ndlpedu/features/immig/images/africach.jpg.

reply from: faithman

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!Exactly the same isssue. It has first last and always bveen about personhood, then and now.

reply from: faithman

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!Exactly the same isssue. It has first last and always bveen about personhood, then and now.

reply from: yoda

"Reasonable"? Hmm, would that be like someone saying he didn't want all Jews to die in Hitler's gas chamber, just the ones who couldn't work in Nazi slave factories? Is that what "reasonable" means?

reply from: Rosalie

Obviously. I was attacked before for being interested in fashion before because you know hobbies = hating babies.
This forum should be renamed to Puritan America. Seems like way too many people here think that the Puritans had it just right.
Hint: pro-choice with exceptions is also contradiction. But you'd need a brain to understand that.

reply from: faithman

Obviously. I was attacked before for being interested in fashion before because you know hobbies = hating babies.
This forum should be renamed to Puritan America. Seems like way too many people here think that the Puritans had it just right.
Hint: pro-choice with exceptions is also contradiction. But you'd need a brain to understand that.
AAAHH the killer scanc returns!!!!!

reply from: Rosalie

Hurrah for scanc shoes!

reply from: SRUW4I5

"Reasonable"? Hmm, would that be like someone saying he didn't want all Jews to die in Hitler's gas chamber, just the ones who couldn't work in Nazi slave factories? Is that what "reasonable" means?
I think it's reasonable to support things that reduce unwanted pregnancies (because that reduces the amount of abortions). I find it strange that so many Pro-Lifers are against birth control, map, and saving the life of the woman (because that goes against the woman and child being equally deserving of life).
I'm sorry, I should have worded it differently. What I meant by my original post was that IMO moderates are the ones that support things like birth control, map, and abortion to save the womans life. Since so many Pro-Lifers don't support those things (atleast not the first two), I'd say someone who does support those is more moderate.

reply from: faithman

I agree!! keeps part of the stench under control at least.

reply from: Rosalie

SCANC SHOES! SCANC SHOES!

reply from: faithman

Mouth wash please!!! Baby blood breath!!!!

reply from: Rosalie

'Pro-life' material is useless. If the money these people invest into 'pro-life' material were invested into any sort of help for pregnant women or new moms, they'd actually save babies.
But that's not what it's about so helping pregnant women and their children is out of the question for most people here.
Why?
And I thought you said you were pro-choice? Do you even know that pro-choice means? Do you know that pro-choice means supporting the woman's choice regardless of what YOU personally think she should do?
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8120/fetusfaceah0.png
Well, duh. That'd be a late-term fetus. I was talking about those that are actually being aborted - and over 90% of them are 1st trimester fetuses. And they do not look this cute.

reply from: Rosalie

So? I think they are.

reply from: yoda

That's a religious position. Do you find religion strange?
That's a chemical that sometimes acts as like an abortifacient because it causes the death of the new embryo. What's strange about a prolifer opposing that?
There are very, very few who actually take that position. For one thing, if the woman loses her life then so does the baby, usually. For another, I don't know of any prolifers who actually want it made illegal for a physician to honor a woman's request to protect her life, even though I did read one prolife poster's opinion recently that he didn't think she had the (moral) right to do so. So that's pretty much of a non-issue.

reply from: scopia19822

"So? I think they are."
So you think their cute I think after birth all babies especiially if born vaginally are a bit strange looking, especially with a cone head. My son had to be extracted with forceps but didnt come out with a cone head. He still looked like a lobster from being put under the heat lamp, but these awkward features of newborns go away soon enough.


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