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Is "forcing your child not to abort" a "horrendous situation"?

Do you agree with CaroleMarie? How about you, Weenie?

by: yoda

CM said: "Forcing her to abort or forcing her to have a baby are both horrendous situtations for a child. ."
Do you agree that not allowing your child to ELECTIVELY kill your grandchild (by not helping, or giving them permission to abort) is a "horrendous situation"?

reply from: SRUW4I5

If you force them to not kill your grandchild by threatening to kill them, kick them out, or something similar it is horrible. If you force them not to abort if continuing the pregnancy would kill them it's horrible too.
Any other way or reason isn't that bad. They'll get over it.
I voted no.

reply from: yoda

None of those hypothetical were intended to be a part of the question. I will change the wording to eliminate those thoughts.

reply from: SRUW4I5

None of those hypothetical were intended to be a part of the question. I will change the wording to eliminate those thoughts.
Thank you. The new wording is better.

reply from: Banned Member

Forcing your child not to abort? I prefer to think of it as teaching your child not to kill.

reply from: Teresa18

No! So far, 3 no and 0 yes.

reply from: faithman

Would seem the phony pro-lifer is in the minority on this one. http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg

reply from: micah

I do think this is a horrendous situation, and also one that some pro-choicers have gone soft on. If a high school girl gets pregnant, it shouldn't be the normal situation that she goes ahead and has the kid. These cases should be very exceptional. While the final decision should be up to her, her parents and every counselor should be steering her towards abortion. The reality is that having a kid in high school tends to ruin these girls lives, and it is up to responsible adults to step in and do something. Junior high and high school girls need to know what happens to most girls who have babies in high school.

reply from: sk1bianca

if a school girl HAS SEX, pregnancy IS A NORMAL SITUATION.
abortion is a forced, unnatural intervention.
parents and counselors should be "steering her towards abortion"?!?!?! what if one day she ends up regreting the abortion? who will be responsible for her suffering? sounds like pressuring her to abort.
school girls should be explained that SEX often leads to CHILDREN, and that pregnancy isn't about making a "mistake" it's about having a LIVING CHILD developing in your body.

reply from: ChristianLott2

The law considers a child at that age unable to make a decision to have sex - obviously because she's too susceptible to peer pressure and intimidation, especially from adults.
So you have a law telling her she's too young to have consensual sex but pro aborts like micah telling her she's old enough to choose an abortion. Then micah would like the parents to 'counsel' (read- hound and intimidate) her into an abortion.
Well, that's just a 'counseled' forced abortion.

reply from: Rosalie

Forcing ANYONE to have an abortion or continue their pregnancy AGAINST THEIR WILL is horrible and unacceptable. Period.

reply from: Rosalie

No, it's not. It's a possibility. That's all it is.
Abortion is only forced when it is done against the girl's/woman's will. Other than that, it's not forced.
And as for unnatural ... removing birthmarks is unnatural, too, yet many people have it done because it's a way of preventing/getting to know that you have cancer.
Unnatural doesn't mean it's bad. Taking medicine unnatural, too, and it's not wrong.
What if one day she will regret that she was forced to have a child at the age of 11? That her entire childhood was stolen, that her body was harmed beyond what the likes of you can imagine?
It's always HER choice. Her parents should stand by her, advise her and support her. Not force her into ANYTHING.
The body is still THEIRS, even when there's a child developing in there.

reply from: sk1bianca

ok... here we go again...
no "force" is needed in order to continue a pregnancy. force is only required to interrupt a pregnancy. that's what abortion is: a forced procedure. wether you like it or not.

reply from: Faramir

You've taken her comment out of context in the title of the thread, and used only half of it.
And I don't see anything in that quote that is referring to grandchildren.
I don't understand exactly what she means, but I think I understand what you want her to mean.
But looking at the ENTIRE quote above, I take it to mean that a pregnant child is in a horrible situation, between a rock and a hard place.
But since abortion kills another child, abortion is not a valid remedy, in spite of the challenges a pregnant child faces, since another child is at stake too.
But as things stand right now, with abortion being legal, except where Nancyu lives, who is the one who decides what happens with the pregnancy?

reply from: Faramir

Okay, I've reread the question and understand it now.
Yes it IS a horrendous situation.
Why wouldn't it be?
If I had a pregnant child, I could not think of many things that would be much more horrendous than that.
What is wrong with that?
And it WOULD be horrendous either way, abortion or keeping the pregnancy.
But abortion is not an option, since it kills the baby, so the only option is the horrendous situation of having a child give birth to a child.
I can say it is a horrendous situation either way while not seeing abortion as a viable option, hence, it does not make me a "pro-abort" to say that.

reply from: Rosalie

It is, if you want to have it YOUR way. It is perfectly okay and legal to have na abortion so if you abuse someone to the point when they are not able to get the abortion they wanted to get in the first place, you are forcing them to remain pregnant.
There's no getting around that one, no matter how hard you try. It is only a forced procedure when someone is FORCED into having it against their will. Or we can conclude that EVERY procedure (C-section, appendectomy, removing a birthmark, removing a tumor - basically ANYTHING) is unnatural and shouldn't be done. Which is stupid.

reply from: faithman

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reply from: Faramir

The question is posed very poorly.
It should be more straight-forward, and it would be good if it were also not used as a means to harrass other posters.
A better question would be:
If a prolife parent has a pregnant child, is abortion an option?
The answer is NO.
The answer would be NO for me as well, but I would still find it to be a "horrendous" situaion. I would not be a happy camper, and I would expect that my hypothetical daughter would have some big challenges ahead of her.
This "poll" is a sham, really. It's just another way to call someone "killercarole."

reply from: Rosalie

The attitude you're describing here is inexcusable abuse to me. It's horrible that there are people who are so callous towards their children. I'll never understand how you can dismiss your children, their health, their well-being and their future and compromise all of it for the sake of a fetus. And I don't want to understand that because to me, that's the definition of evil.

reply from: sk1bianca

C-section, appendectomy, removing a birthmark, removing a tumor doesn't kill anyone (at least not in normal circumstances).
we obvioulsy don't have the same understanding of the word "forced".
abortion is force used to end a pregnancy. it is unnecessary, since this situation is temporary, and would end naturally and with less risks involved.
it also discriminates against another human being based only on his location. his/her life is ended in a forceful and brutal way. but you seem to believe that preventing this is "evil"...

reply from: Faramir

I would not think it is "callous" to spare my daughter the possible horrors she would face later in life over what I made her to do, i.e., kill her own child. It is a hard thing for a child to be pregnant and then be a parent, but it is a harder thing for a child to be a killer of her own child.
If I have a pregnant daughter, I have a child AND a grandchild at stake.
Killing the grandchild is not a solution.

reply from: faithman

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reply from: faithman

I would not think it is "callous" to spare my daughter the possible horrors she would face later in life over what I made her to do, i.e., kill her own child. It is a hard thing for a child to be pregnant and then be a parent, but it is a harder thing for a child to be a killer of her own child.
If I have a pregnant daughter, I have a child AND a grandchild at stake.
Killing the grandchild is not a solution.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg

reply from: Rosalie

I would not think it is "callous" to spare my daughter the possible horrors she would face later in life over what I made her to do, i.e., kill her own child. It is a hard thing for a child to be pregnant and then be a parent, but it is a harder thing for a child to be a killer of her own child.
If I have a pregnant daughter, I have a child AND a grandchild at stake.
Killing the grandchild is not a solution.
But that's the point - you shouldn't FORCE her to do anything. You should support her and be there for her and help her make a decision that's best for her, regardles of how YOU feel about that situation. That abortion is harder for a child is YOUR opinion and believe it or not, your kids may not share your opinion.
And yes, I'm sorry but I absolutely consider it callous to disregard your born children in every single way just because a fetus exists. The grandchild you have no relationship with, the grandchild that is just a fetus you cannot see with a naked eye, the grandchild you'd be willing to sacrifice your daughter's health, well-being, childhood, life over? Yeah, that's just plain wrong and evil on every single level.

reply from: micah

According to the Guttmacher institute, over 1/3 of women in America will have an abortion by age 50. If women really do regret having abortions, it's not an exaggeration to say that their numbers should be in the millions and you shouldn't have any problems finding thousands of them. In reality however, women get over abortion. The more religious might find Jesus or go to confession, but in any case, women move on after their abortion.
In contrast, women who have babies in high school and junior high do not move on. Most end up unhappy with dead beat husbands and dead-end jobs. That one bad decision at 14 costs them for the rest of their life. It's our job as adults to let kids know the reality of the situation.

reply from: faithman

I would not think it is "callous" to spare my daughter the possible horrors she would face later in life over what I made her to do, i.e., kill her own child. It is a hard thing for a child to be pregnant and then be a parent, but it is a harder thing for a child to be a killer of her own child.
If I have a pregnant daughter, I have a child AND a grandchild at stake.
Killing the grandchild is not a solution.
But that's the point - you shouldn't FORCE her to do anything. You should support her and be there for her and help her make a decision that's best for her, regardles of how YOU feel about that situation. That abortion is harder for a child is YOUR opinion and believe it or not, your kids may not share your opinion.
And yes, I'm sorry but I absolutely consider it callous to disregard your born children in every single way just because a fetus exists. The grandchild you have no relationship with, the grandchild that is just a fetus you cannot see with a naked eye, the grandchild you'd be willing to sacrifice your daughter's health, well-being, childhood, life over? Yeah, that's just plain wrong and evil on every single level.
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reply from: Rosalie

When you understand what I'm saying, come back to me, you spamming misogynist.

reply from: sk1bianca

the only difference between your child and your grandchild is LOCATION and AGE. you treasure one and completely devalue the other because of these?

reply from: Rosalie

Nope. The difference between a born child and a fetus is that the fetus is 100% physically dependent on the woman. That makes all the difference in the world. Even if you ignore it.
To ignore the born child and its health, life, quality of life and future because of a fetus is inexcusable and cruel.

reply from: faithman

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reply from: Rosalie

I am proud to be called a monster by such a despicable piece of misogynist trash like you are.

reply from: sk1bianca

dependency is given by the stage of development.
why do you insist portraying abortion as the ONLY solution for a pregnant girl? how do you know that's not going to ruin her health and her future? can you... see... into the future?

reply from: Rosalie

No *****, Sherlock. But the truth is that ONLY fetuses are directly physically dependent on a person.
I'm absolutely not, that's just how you interpret being pro-choice. And by saying just what you said here, it's become quite obvious that you have NO IDEA whatsoever what pro-choice is all about.

reply from: sk1bianca

oh, you mean human beings in the fetal stage of development are directly physically dependent on a person...
i'm saying that because i keep seeing people like you preaching this magical abortion solution for pregnant school girls, and when someone says otherwise, you say it's "evil".

reply from: Rosalie

What exactly is untrue about this statement?
Except that I never said that. FORCING anyone to have an abortion or FORCING anyone to continue a pregnancy against their will is WRONG. Period.
Do you even know what pro-choicers support? Can you let go of all the propaganda and THINK about what could pro-choice actually mean?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I believe it is a decision that should be advised upon by doctors. Then, together, the parents and the child should make the safest decision for EVERYONE involved. Who should have the final say though? I feel it should be the pregnant girl, only IF it is determined that birth is not safe for her. Aka, if there is a significant risk to her of permanent disability or death, then she should have the choice. Otherwise it's completely irrelevant; it is then elective and no woman should have the right to electively kill her child.
So no, parents should not have the right to force their daughter to give birth by denying permission for an abortion; parents shouldn't have that kind of control in the first place. Because then, they could deny the abortion even if it was necessary to save her life!! They will basically be murdering their own child and that's not right.

reply from: yoda

I would expect nothing less from a proabort.

reply from: yoda

Carol says it's horrible to force the child to "have a baby". You and her will have to work that one out. She also says that sometimes elective abortion is "for the best" when a young child is involved.
Not according to Carole. You and her just can't agree, can you?

reply from: Faramir

Carol says it's horrible to force the child to "have a baby".
You and her will have to work that one out.
I don't have to work anything out with her at all. If you have truthfully, represented her position, I disagree and think she's wrong, but that still does not give me the right to get my jollies and call her "scanc" and "killermarie."
Are you saying that she RECOMMENDS abortion in these cases every time, because that's what you seem to be implying.

reply from: yoda

Go to the thread about whether she's prolife and read it yourself.
Then go ahead and make some more excuses for her, and twist what she said into something you can stomach.....
Weenie, weenie, weenie......

reply from: Faramir

Go to the thread about whether she's prolife and read it yourself.
Then go ahead and make some more excuses for her, and twist what she said into something you can stomach.....
Weenie, weenie, weenie......
I'll let her explain it in this thread if she cares to.
If it turns out I think she's wrong about it, then I will say I think she's wrong about it. Is that enough, or do I need to also call her "killermarie" and "snanc" to show that I am a man and that I am not a "pro-abort"?
And I have never excused abortion as an option. It is always the wrong way to go.

reply from: yoda

No you won't. You'd run and hide, and duck and dodge.
There's nothing you can do to "show that you are a man".
And no matter what carole says, you'll excuse it one way or the other.

reply from: ChristianLott2

because she's a 'post abortive' woman with a halo. That she still condones murder and has murdered three of her own will never give anyone the right to CALL her a murderer. That's just too much truth.

reply from: yoda

I suspect there's more to that "joined at the hip" thing between them than any of us know.... or even suspect. Marriage, family, split personality, who knows?

reply from: ChristianLott2

Let's not forget the huge contingency of cm defenders featured in my faux lifers list. ALL of them think calling her a pro abort murderer is just 'too harsh'.
Though faramir would like to be the center of attention, like his butcher gf, we should not forget all the other who've made it so easy for her to masquerade unchallenged for so long.

reply from: Faramir

Let's not forget the huge contingency of cm defenders featured in my faux lifers list. ALL of them think calling her a pro abort murderer is just 'too harsh'.
Though faramir would like to be the center of attention, like his butcher gf, we should not forget all the other who've made it so easy for her to masquerade unchallenged for so long.
At the rate you're going, the only "real" pro-lifers left will be you, faithman, yodavater, and nancyu.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Yoda, I'd like your input on this. Could someone quote this so he can see it? I believe he has had me on ignore for several weeks.

reply from: Faramir

Yoda, I'd like your input on this. Could someone quote this so he can see it? I believe he has had me on ignore for several weeks.

reply from: carolemarie

First of all, I was talking about a raped 11 year old (a 5th grader) in the original post. I am not talking about consental sex. I support letting the person who is pregnant (like a teenager) make the decision then on what she is going to do.
I am not for abortion
I think the concern and focus should be on what is best for the 11 year old and in this situtation the 11 year olds needs take precedent over the baby.
And you Yoda are twisting my words and you know it. You are lying deliberatly and miscasting what I believe

reply from: Faramir

Who would make the ultimate decision?
How often do 11 year olds become pregnant?

reply from: Faramir

He only does that in half his posts, so give him a break.

reply from: carolemarie

Who would make the ultimate decision?
How often do 11 year olds become pregnant?
Rarely, but that was the topic in the tread
Who would make the decision? Legally the kid. But in real life it would be the parents, they will pay for and make the best decision they can for their daughter.
I also wondered how you could think making her have a baby, then giving the baby away, is a good option for that child, giving up a child is a hard thing to do. What if she wants to keep it, are her parents forced to raise it? I think that couseling and letting the family make the best choice is th only reasonable way to handle this.

reply from: Faramir

So does the question have to do with right now when abortion is legal, except where Nancyu lives, or is this a hypothetical question concerning whether this should be an exception if abortion becomes illegal?

reply from: carolemarie

Of course it is hypothetical!
I can live with the exceptions....it will mae sure 98 percent of abortions are outlawed.....

reply from: Faramir

What if, God forbid, you had an 11 year old daughter who was raped, and is now pregnant?
What would you do?
And when they say you favor "forced abortions" what the heck are they talking about?

reply from: carolemarie

I am honest enough to admit that I don't know, I don't have an 11 year old daughter and I am not in such a terrible situtation..

reply from: GratiaPlena

Do you think it would be harder than brutally killing her own child?
Well, there's a difference between what's best for the girl and what she wants. Abortion is definitely never what's best for the girl, however.

reply from: yoda

Yoda, I'd like your input on this. Could someone quote this so he can see it? I believe he has had me on ignore for several weeks.
It's no surprise to me that a proabort would want to give a child permission to kill her own child..... none at all. A parent ought to be in charge of the actions of their child until that child reaches adulthood, and no parent ought to allow their child to kill an unborn child unless it is a matter of life and death.

reply from: yoda

Hardly. But I give you credit, you have confirmed everything that I said.

reply from: yoda

You have already said it..... the parents should make the decision, and they should do "whatever they think is best for their child".... which means, of course, that you would support their decision to force her to abort.
It doesn't get any plainer than that. But don't worry, your "joined at the hip" buddy will still defend you, no matter what you say.

reply from: yoda

According to carole, it can be. And Farismear defends everything she says.
Here is what she said, on this page:
"I think the concern and focus should be on what is best for the 11 year old and in this situtation the 11 year olds needs take precedent over the baby."
Is that not crystal clear?

reply from: yoda

Then you disagree with carole. But you can't say that, can you?

reply from: carolemarie

You have already said it..... the parents should make the decision, and they should do "whatever they think is best for their child".... which means, of course, that you would support their decision to force her to abort.
It doesn't get any plainer than that. But don't worry, your "joined at the hip" buddy will still defend you, no matter what you say.
NO I DON"T THINK THR PARENTS SHOULD MAKE THE DECISION
I am not naive enough to think that parents will not pressure and influence the child to agree with what they want. You apparently think all parents will want the baby aborted, and I don't think that is true.
What matters is what the child wants, and she needs facts and counseling.
This is not a normal situtation, it is a big mess! And I believe that the child who is pregnant has a right to make the decision, not YOU, not ME and not her PARENTS!

reply from: Faramir

Then you disagree with carole. But you can't say that, can you?
Yes I disagree with her on this and other things.
I can say that and I have said that.
But that doesn't mean I should call her "killercarole" and that doesn't make her a "scanc.

reply from: yoda

What's "this"?
What are you disagreeing with her about? Be specific, please?

reply from: GratiaPlena

... Which would be why I refuted her point.

reply from: carolemarie

According to carole, it can be. And Farismear defends everything she says.
Here is what she said, on this page:
"I think the concern and focus should be on what is best for the 11 year old and in this situtation the 11 year olds needs take precedent over the baby."
Is that not crystal clear?
If that 11 years old doesn't want to be a 6th grader with a baby, then she shouldn't be forced to do that. She also shouldn't be forced to put the child up for adoption, but as always, nobody cares about her, she is just the vessel the fetus is all that matters...
That is sick and evil--this is a raped 5th grader! She is just a child as well...

reply from: yoda

Ah, so you're okay with the child deciding to have an abortion, even if she is healthy enough to bear the child, right?
Just as long as she decides to have the abortion, right?
Right?

reply from: Faramir

What's "this"?
What are you disagreeing with her about? Be specific, please?
I disagree that there is ever a time an abortion is the right thing. I would not allow for it, even in this horrendous extreme situation.

reply from: yoda

Let's see now...... apparently you think a pregnant 11 year old girl does not ALREADY HAVE a baby, right?
You think that babies magically appear at birth, right?
And you think that she ought to be able to kill that baby, right?

reply from: yoda

But it doesn't really bother you that a "prolifer" would hold that opinion, right?

reply from: GratiaPlena

What about the baby? He/she shouldn't be forced to die a brutal death before even having the chance to live.
Rape is a terrible thing. It really is, and it complicates things like this. But the fact is that there is another person present that we have to consider. The child did nothing wrong but exist. It is possible to live a life after being raped and impregnated at a young age without killing anyone, given that things are handled correctly. It is not possible, however, to live a life after you've been shredded to pieces in a machine.
And who said no one cares about the mother? No one has ever said that situation would be good. It's just that there are two people to consider here instead of just one.

reply from: yoda

Good points, all. They will not be heeded, however.

reply from: Faramir

But it doesn't really bother you that a "prolifer" would hold that opinion, right?
I would be bothered by that opinion to the degree that person's opinion could have an effect.
To what degree do I need to be bothered by it to be a real pro-lifer?
I think birth control of all forms, including barriers and chemicals, are immoral and contribute to the abortion culture. I am bothered by those pro-lifers who do not see that birth-control is the evil twin sister of abortion. Yet I have to face the reality that many will not see it that way, and accept that the best we can hope for is the "greatest good" and not a "perfect good."
I think that will be the case with abortion. We agree that a "perfect good" would be that abortion is illegal for any reason, but that might not be attainable. Some would see that striving only for the "pefect good" would interfere with obtaining the "greatest good," at least in the short term, which might be that some but not all abortions are restricted.
I would prefer to look at the positive and see what good other pro-lifers are doing. If, in spite of areas where I disagree with them, they are doing good works to prevent abortions, then my admiration for the sacrifices they make and the babies they save more than makes up for the opinions they have that bother me.

reply from: carolemarie

Theresa, that is why the girl gets to decide what she wants. Counseling may help her chose to have that baby, but it isnt for you to decide.
I think the other 98% of abortions should be stopped. To get that you are going to have to allow exceptions....nobody but FB is going to vote for draconion legislation that make women die so a fetus can live or force raped children to have C-sections The fetus is NOT more important that the woman...

reply from: BossMomma

In the case of a pregnant child it should be given to the child to decide. A pregnancy is a dangerous situation for any child.

reply from: yoda

EVERY OPINION expressed here can have an effect..... isn't that why you are here?
So if she said that all abortion was okay, you'd be fine with that because you wouldn't think it would "have any effect"?
"Weenie" is a great name for you.....

reply from: yoda

OR her parents when she is underage, or anyone who would "force her" to not kill the baby, right?
You really do think "choice" is more important than a baby's life is such cases, don't you?
You really are "pro-choice" in such cases, aren't you?

reply from: GratiaPlena

We are talking about a child, not a grown woman. A minor's parents have the right to decide what is best for their child in every other circumstance. Why not for abortion? Do you really think a child is capable of making that kind of decision? And again.. what about the baby?
No, but the woman is also not more important than the baby. Also, no one thinks a woman should continue a pregnancy that would surely make her die.

reply from: Faramir

EVERY OPINION expressed here can have an effect..... isn't that why you are here?
So if she said that all abortion was okay, you'd be fine with that because you wouldn't think it would "have any effect"?
"Weenie" is a great name for you.....
I didn't say I was fine with the opinion.
And I said to the degree it can have an effect.
But whether I'm "bothered" by an opinion is neither here nor there.
It's how I respond to it that counts.

reply from: yoda

Yeah, and so far...... you haven't.

reply from: Faramir

Yeah, and so far...... you haven't.
Do you lie on purpose or just a moron?

reply from: yoda

Your words (or the lack of them) speak for themselves.
BTW, is that how a "Christian" should speak to someone?

reply from: Faramir

Just answer the question, please.

reply from: yoda

I don't think so.
Come on Weenie, tell us that you are just the least bit upset that a "prolifer" would advocate "permission to abort" a healthy baby.... huh?
Just a tiny, teenie weenie little bit?
BTW, is that how a "Christian" should speak to someone?

reply from: carolemarie

It is quite okay with me if you dont like the fact I support exceptions. I feel just as shocked and disgusted that you don't.
The good news is that We do agree on 98 percent of all abortions should be banned.

reply from: yoda

It's not that I don't like the fact that you support exceptions..... it's that I don't like the fact that you claim that is a prolife position.
It isn't. Giving permission for any healthy female to kill a healthy baby is not a prolife position. It's prochoice.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Yoda, I'd like your input on this. Could someone quote this so he can see it? I believe he has had me on ignore for several weeks.
It's no surprise to me that a proabort would want to give a child permission to kill her own child..... none at all. A parent ought to be in charge of the actions of their child until that child reaches adulthood, and no parent ought to allow their child to kill an unborn child unless it is a matter of life and death.
If you READ the rest of my post you'd realise that's exactly WHAT I SAID.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I agree with this.
SO DO I!!!! That's exactly what I said in the following paragraphs of my post!!!

reply from: carolemarie

In your opinion it is prochoice, prochoicers don't agree.
You will never ever get a ban without the exceptions.
It is a pragmatic prolife position.

reply from: yoda

No, you have indicated that you think she SHOULD have the right to get an abortion...... not just that you think it's "pragmatic".......
And that IS prochoice...... with exceptions, of course...

reply from: Faramir

I agree with this.
SO DO I!!!! That's exactly what I said in the following paragraphs of my post!!!
But are you "bothered" by those who disagree with you?
You have to exhibit a certain amount of botherment, or your opinion doesn't count.

reply from: yoda

And you agree with her that hers is a "prolife" position, right?

reply from: carolemarie

Iam prolife Yoda. To bad you can't see the obvious. Our disagreement is over 2% of all situtations....
I think that you have no idea what the heck you are talking about when you claim a rape victim should be forced to have a C-section or forced to deliver a baby. You have no concern for that child at all. In fact you think it would be okay for people to force her to HAVE the baby, which I think is just as bad as forcing her NOT to have the baby!
I would be willing to go with the childs choice, you are not. The damage to her life doesn't matter a lick to you and that makes me appalled and sickened....

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I'm actually more pro-life on this than you are, yet Yoda is blind to that. I wouldn't allow the girl an abortion unless she was going to die. It would be her decision, but she'd have to be at great risk first. If she can carry to birth, then regardless of her age she should do so. And that has nothing to do with her parents forcing her to do it; this should be a state/law decision. Why does SHE get the final say in life-threatening situations? Because it's her body, not her parents'. And they cannot withhold her from a life-saving procedure; that's called child abuse.

reply from: ChristianLott2

And aside from the 'life at implantation' lie you endorse, you would be pro life.
However, you are pro choice w/ exceptions like cm - just with different exceptions.
I wish both of you would either drop your sick deceptions (claiming to be pro life) or drop your sick beliefs.

reply from: sk1bianca

the are both EQUALLY important. and since EVERY abortion kills a child, they should ALL be illegal. (except the case in which the pregnancy is threatening the mother's life. in that case, the decision should belong to her).

reply from: yoda

Ah, you've killed another strawman. I've never, ever said a rape victim should be forced to have a c-section. What's that about?
And as far as being "forced to deliver a baby"..... what are you talking about? Are you now pretending that you don't know that a pregnant woman already has a baby, and MUST deliver it (either alive or dead)? Did you not know that, really?
I will say this slowly for you.......... S-H-E * A-L-R-E-A-D-Y * H-A-S * A * B-A-B-Y!
Even when her "choice" is to electively kill her baby..... right, I got that.
And you call that "pro-life", right? How about that, WEENIE????

reply from: LiberalChiRo

the are both EQUALLY important. and since EVERY abortion kills a child, they should ALL be illegal. (except the case in which the pregnancy is threatening the mother's life. in that case, the decision should belong to her).
I agree; but watch Yoda call me a pro-abort anyway.

reply from: faithman

Ah, you've killed another strawman. I've never, ever said a rape victim should be forced to have a c-section. What's that about?
And as far as being "forced to deliver a baby"..... what are you talking about? Are you now pretending that you don't know that a pregnant woman already has a baby, and MUST deliver it (either alive or dead)? Did you not know that, really?
I will say this slowly for you.......... S-H-E * A-L-R-E-A-D-Y * H-A-S * A * B-A-B-Y!
Even when her "choice" is to electively kill her baby..... right, I got that.
And you call that "pro-life", right? How about that, WEENIE????
http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby1.html

reply from: ChristianLott2

what about the murder of the baby? the life of the baby doesn't matter to you.
that is not pro life liar.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Ah, you've killed another strawman. I've never, ever said a rape victim should be forced to have a c-section. What's that about?
And as far as being "forced to deliver a baby"..... what are you talking about? Are you now pretending that you don't know that a pregnant woman already has a baby, and MUST deliver it (either alive or dead)? Did you not know that, really?
cm is really an evil person imo. She's got this lying, smearing slant to all of her posts. Far be it from us to desire to expose her. Far be it from us to attack her when she's caught in her web of lies.

reply from: faithman

http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby1.html

reply from: yoda

What kind of a person is "appalled and sickened" that someone says they don't want parents to let their child kill a baby? "Pro-life"? Nah, don't think so.....


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