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Stop the general statement slander against real pro-lfers

The real injustice of the forum

by: faithman

I defy anyone to present one post here where Person hood folks have spoken against the post abortive in general as they have been accused of doing. It has never happened. IAAP cards are used by many groups all accross the land includding post abortive groups. We have been slandered with the broad brush of a general statement that simply isn't true. We have a problem with one baby killer who tries to use "post abortion" as a shield, and position beyond reproach. At the end of the day, CM is an unrepentant baby killer who has no regrets about having murdered three of her own, and has vowed to fight against personhood because future killers like her might meet justice. They are the ones who make this about gender, not us. They are the ones who are against life in the womb, not us. they are the ones who have vowed to fight personhood for pre-born people, not us. Faramir has rarely if ever defended the womb child over those who would keep the killing legal. CM has point blank stated that some preborn children do not deserve to be protect from moral degenerate child killing scancs like herself. Now the owner of this site is the victim of this same slanderous smear campain. It says alot about him that he would allow it to go on. He does not boot them out as many other sites would have already done. He has futher been slandered by being accused of not moderating the forum. I can tell you from personal experiance that the forum is indeed moderated. If the little weenies don't like it here, they can take MC3's advice and leave!!! If the moral degenerate death scanc doesn't like being exposed, it can do the same thing. MC3 has futher been painted with the broad brush of being against the post abortive. I know for a fact that isn't true at all. What the slanderers want is a position beyond reproach, where they will never be critisized for what they say and do. They are the ones who are making the general statments, not us. They are the ones who cant see that this is an issue about one phony pro-lifer who makes a mockery of true post abortive counseling ministry, and has vowed to fight personhood. This inspite of the fact that the babies she claims to have saved, were because of the cards we made availible. http:// enemieshttp://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg !!!!! Anyone who has vowed to fight person hood is not pro-life. Anyone who defends child killers with broad general untrue statements does the work of the child killers and has borrowed a page right out of the borthead play book. The line is drawn very clearly in the sand and always has been. It is about http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg . those who would oppose it are not pro-life. the womb child is the issue, not post abortion. And national post abortion groups agree with that. But the faux lifers know they can not honestly hold their position, and must make it what it is not. They must slander with general false statements. And they most assuredly are anti peronhood moral degenerates.

reply from: yoda

Now now, don't be so hateful and shameful, Grizzly!
Why, you're liable to cause Weenie to get his big girl panties in a wad again!!
And you know that must be uncomfortable!!

reply from: faithman

the truth generally is uncomfortable.

reply from: faithman

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reply from: churchmouse

I just love you Faithman and wanted to share these awesome scriptures.
CHRIST SAID
"Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shall love thy neighbor, and hate your enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. (KJV)
Matthew 5:43-48 43
"If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat; if he is thirsty, give him water to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head, and the LORD will reward you."
Prov. 25: 21,22
By being nice to someone, we can bring them to shame.
I pray you read these Words from God, that they will convict you as they do anyone who loves and puts God first.

reply from: faithman

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reply from: yoda

And that means no more calling anyone names, or speaking harshly to them, no matter which "side" they are on, right?

reply from: churchmouse

I am speaking to Christians here when I say this........
If you claim to love Christ then you must obey the commandments. And the Commandments are clear on how we should treat those we disagree with.
If you do not then you are sinning. You are separating yourself from God.
Even if we dissagree with someones position 100% we should speak in love to that person. THAT IS COMMANDED BY GOD.
If we want to be like the great men and women of faith in the Bible we must do what they did. We will face great Goliaths in our lives, there is no doubt that will happen......but when we do we must think of David. What did he do when he met Goliath? He remembered what God had done for him in the past. And we should do the same. If he forgave us then we must forgive others. We must trust God because He is the one in control. He is the one who promises to work all things to our good if we love Him.
He came to save all sinners. And there are more sinners here than just post-abortive women. Lets remember to keep the focus on Him. If we do that He will take an active role in our work. If we do not follow His commandments and do what WE THINK is the right thing to do, we will walk in darkness.
God bless.

reply from: yoda

I'll take that as a "yes".

reply from: churchmouse

I was mainly sharing and talking to Christians here Yoda. For those that reject the Bible as the Word of God......some stuff I said wont make sense.
Namecalling is not godly....speaking in kindness to someone is godly. And that can be done without namecalling.
What good comes from Faithman calling Carole the names that he does? He does it in every post, he is obsessed. Who does he bring glory to? Not God. God would have no part in his rants.
How did God treat the adultress? What did He say to her?
He simply said, "Go and sin no more". He saved her from a sure death, He let her know she was wrong and He commanded her to stop. He did not yell, spit, slam, demean her because of her sin. He did not announce at the town center every day that she was a sinner.

He glorified His Father in Heaven by His actions. And if she repented and ask forgiveness than her life was changed. Changed because she then started living for HIm, she started walking in the light of His Word. God does not hit us over the head with sin that has already been forgiven.
I have not always done that in the past. I am going to try to get better myself.
Faithmans actions are not godly in the way he is speaking out.
Satan came to conquer and divide.......and he will win on this thread if we allow him to do so. I am not falling for it.

reply from: faithman

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reply from: Faramir

It's very sad that if faithman truly does legitimate pro-life work, that nobody would suspect that based on his posts here. I don't know what he's like in real life or what he does, but if one were to judge him by his posts, it would seem he's in this for motives other than saving babies.

reply from: faithman

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reply from: yoda

There you go, on the attack again.
What happened to that "bless and do good things for"? Are you not going to bless him and do good things for him?

reply from: faithman

There you go, on the attack again.
What happened to that "bless and do good things for"? Are you not going to bless him and do good things for him?
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reply from: yoda

As an ex-linguistic missionary in training, I am acquainted with Christian theology. No need to spoon feed me.
For anyone who is passionate about their religious beliefs, "kindness" is not appropriate when speaking to someone whom you believe is trying to deliberately mislead the "flock". More appropriate is something like "Get thee behind me Satan". Was that "speaking in kindness"?
This is a "rough and tumble" forum, because that's the way Mark wants it. Accept it the way it is, or leave. Those are your only two choices, as I see it. Carole is a big girl, much like Weenie. She can defend herself just as any other poster can, if they really want to stay here. We have a ignore function here for posters who don't get along, or who annoy you. And we have a resident whiner to voice all your other concerns for you.
Was the adulteress trying to mislead others?
That's for you and him to work out, or maybe just to agree to disagree about. That's up to you two. He don't think that certain other poster's actions are "godly" either, so why should he stay silent about that?
According to Christian theology, he came mostly to MISLEAD.

reply from: yoda

Sadly, it seems that his "Christian principles" do not apply to him when he is addressing you. "Hypocritical" is the word that comes to mind.

reply from: Faramir

There you go, on the attack again.
What happened to that "bless and do good things for"? Are you not going to bless him and do good things for him?
I did something good for him, at least. I gave him some good advice.
If he has a good message and an effective plan, he needs to do a better job of explaining it, and not mucking up the issue by following another poster around calling her a "whore" and a "scanc."
If it's hard for me to see past that, then it might be the same for others.

reply from: faithman

Sadly, it seems that his "Christian principles" do not apply to him when he is addressing you. "Hypocritical" is the word that comes to mind.
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reply from: yoda

And yet, you are so totally blind that you can't see that he thinks he is doing exactly the SAME THING............ My, how myopic you are.......

reply from: yoda

Humm.... I thought it was the Sadducees.....sometimes I get those two mixed up......

reply from: faithman

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reply from: carolemarie

First of all, I am not a unrepentant baby killer as you try to paint me. I am prolife in word and deed.
It is true I am not for your personhood bill. I disagree with you over it being the best way to end abortion. Apparently so do the voters because your bill has died where introduced.
I believe in the exceptions for rape, incest and the mothers life.
You refuse to disagree with someone, you just are hateful and spiteful to women who have chosen abortion, or you wouldn't call me the names you do when you know that I regret my choices!
It is YOUR OPINION THAT IF YOU OPPOSE PERSONHOOD YOU ARE NOT PROLIFE!
AND YOU ARE WRONG AS USUAL

reply from: faithman

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reply from: carolemarie

I think people like you are the deadly enemy to the message of the Gospel!

reply from: faithman

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reply from: carolemarie

I am the testimony to the power of God to transform and redeem a life....
Your stupid remarks show your blindness and your hard heart.

reply from: nancyu

I defy anyone to present one post here where Person hood folks have spoken against the post abortive in general as they have been accused of doing. It has never happened. IAAP cards are used by many groups all accross the land includding post abortive groups. We have been slandered with the broad brush of a general statement that simply isn't true. We have a problem with one baby killer who tries to use "post abortion" as a shield, and position beyond reproach. At the end of the day, CM is an unrepentant baby killer who has no regrets about having murdered three of her own, and has vowed to fight against personhood because future killers like her might meet justice. They are the ones who make this about gender, not us. They are the ones who are against life in the womb, not us. they are the ones who have vowed to fight personhood for pre-born people, not us. Faramir has rarely if ever defended the womb child over those who would keep the killing legal. CM has point blank stated that some preborn children do not deserve to be protect from moral degenerate child killing scancs like herself. Now the owner of this site is the victim of this same slanderous smear campain. It says alot about him that he would allow it to go on. He does not boot them out as many other sites would have already done. He has futher been slandered by being accused of not moderating the forum. I can tell you from personal experiance that the forum is indeed moderated. If the little weenies don't like it here, they can take MC3's advice and leave!!! If the moral degenerate death scanc doesn't like being exposed, it can do the same thing. MC3 has futher been painted with the broad brush of being against the post abortive. I know for a fact that isn't true at all. What the slanderers want is a position beyond reproach, where they will never be critisized for what they say and do. They are the ones who are making the general statments, not us. They are the ones who cant see that this is an issue about one phony pro-lifer who makes a mockery of true post abortive counseling ministry, and has vowed to fight personhood. This inspite of the fact that the babies she claims to have saved, were because of the cards we made availible. I AM A PERSON !!!!! Anyone who has vowed to fight person hood is not pro-life. Anyone who defends child killers with broad general untrue statements does the work of the child killers and has borrowed a page right out of the borthead play book. The line is drawn very clearly in the sand and always has been. It is about personhood. those who would oppose it are not pro-life. the womb child is the issue, not post abortion. And national post abortion groups agree with that. But the faux lifers know they can not honestly hold their position, and must make it what it is not. They must slander with general false statements. And they most assuredly are anti peronhood moral degenerates.

reply from: Banned Member

Number One...You really need to take a basic English class. Learn to spell, learn grammar, learn punctuation, & also learn how to post on the internet. It's customary to break long posts into paragraphs to make it easier to read. You really do come across as a moron.
Number Two...here ya go...
You are calling for all who have ever been involved or supported abortion in anyway to be "brought to justice", which you have further insinuated that would mean execution. Do you not believe that would include post abortive women?

reply from: yoda

How does the second thing prove the first? Can a person not be unrepentant and prolife at the same time?
You affirm your morals by what the public thinks? Is the majority always moral in this country, according to you?
What have those babies done to deserve to die? What have they done to you?
Is "regret" the same as "repent"? I can regret choosing the wrong automobile or house, but I don't "repent" of those "mistakes". Don't you know the difference?
WHERE IS YOUR LOVING CHRISTIAN HEART AND YOUR KIND CHARITY TODAY?

reply from: faithman

How does the second thing prove the first? Can a person not be unrepentant and prolife at the same time?
You affirm your morals by what the public thinks? Is the majority always moral in this country, according to you?
What have those babies done to deserve to die? What have they done to you?
Is "regret" the same as "repent"? I can regret choosing the wrong automobile or house, but I don't "repent" of those "mistakes". Don't you know the difference?
WHERE IS YOUR LOVING CHRISTIAN HEART AND YOUR KIND CHARITY TODAY?
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reply from: SRUW4I5

Really? His posts seem Pro-Fetus to me. If it isn't too much to ask, can you please post a quote of something he said that would support that?

reply from: Teresa18

Why are you pro-life? Are you pro-life because you believe the unborn child is a person with the right to life?

reply from: Teresa18

Do you believe that God is creator of all persons and puts each person here for a reason?

reply from: churchmouse

FAithman you just can't get over yourself and your cards. LOL
It's all about you. Crutcher, Folger big pro-life apologists have more humility than you do.
I love ya and I am praying that God softens your heart. He commanded you to love, please don't overlook that commandment.
God bless.
Boy you have just been and done everything havent ya? LOL
Missionary in training? Ok........sigh.
Well unless you are a believe and the Holy Spirit has convicted you....it won't make sense, maybe on paper but not in your heart. And the heart is WHERE ITS AT. Sorry.
Kindness is ALWAYS appropriate and godly. I am not trying to mislead anyone. There are Christians in name only here........THAT WONT EVEN ADDRESS THE SCRIPTURES. THEY RUN FROM THEM. YOUR PAL FAITHMAN DOES THAT, NANCY AND NOW 4GIVEN. All he does is post his card over and over and over again.
He wont reply to any scripture that is put before him...none of them will. Is He afraid? It certainly seems so.
Yes it has gotten rough. That should make no difference to a Christian your a missionary in training remember you ought to know that. The conduct everywhere should be the same.

HOney, what dont you get, I am NOT LEAVIN. So sorry to ruin your day . I am gonna stay and defend Christ.
I asked you a point blank question......and you ran.
You ran, you wont answer it, Faithman wont answer it. I know why. I will let you off the hook, but its obvious. LOL
That story however shows you in the same light. You are the stone throwers....and Christ taught them by the kindness he showed the sinner, in this case the adultress.
Who knows what the actions of the adultress affected. Broke up a home? Hurt a husband or a wife?
Christ showed mercy, His actions were kind.
AND YOU, AND FAITHMAN KNOW IT.
Its funny yoda that you can't even agree to dissagree with Faithman. If he were acting ungodly, you certainly wouldnt admit to that. Cause God forbid you say one thing he doesnt agree with and you to....would make that list of faux lifers. LOL
I think you are afraid to stand up to Him. I think he intimidates a lot of people because they see his hatred and how carole is treated and they dont want to speak out. He is the bully on the playground that is for sure.
I am for the law giving the unborn child personhood so I dissagree with you here.
Anything that would stop abortion......ANYTHING would be ok with me. To me this makes sense.
"In the last Congress, 100 members of the House of Representatives supported a bill that simply said: The Congress hereby declares that the right to life guaranteed by the Constitution is vested in each human being."
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18785#continueA

I am curious as to why you are not for this bill. I am sure you have shared this before, but I guess I missed it.
syrenity said,
I am curious to how nancy will answers this. What do you think nancy?
Teresa I will anwer your question.
I do. He created us because He wanted to have a relationship with us. And He sent Christ so that relationship would be possible. Without Christ it is impossible.

reply from: Faramir

Good for you.
I'm not leaving either, no matter how much they whine to Crutcher, who is a putz for giving his abusive buddies free reign to beat on the post-abortive.

reply from: carolemarie

Do you believe that God is creator of all persons and puts each person here for a reason?
Of course I believe an unborn child is a person. That has nothing to do with why I am willing to allow exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother.
I believe that abortion will not be outlawed if we insist on a total ban, people have compassion for the hard cases, women should not have to die to let a fetus live. As for rape and incest, as I have repeatly said that counseling and information for the woman and her family would be great and probably help save lives.
But we are discussing maybe about 2% tops of all abortions.
I believe that ending abortion in the other 98% is the course to pursue.
I don't like the personhood bill because it is badly crafted, doesn't address the punishment or the limits of the law. It is way too vague. If life begins at conception we have trouble with BC, we have trouble with miscarriages and all kinds of complicated legal questions. Good legislation addresses that first, so everyone knows what will happen when they vote for it!
Making it illegal to perform abortions is the best way. This way we punish th providers and take the profit out of abortion.

reply from: 4given

Was that an "attack" churchmouse? Which Scripture did you "put before" me that I did not address?Who are you to judge another? If you want to take it to the next level.. I understand, but as I stated I am not interested in your games. Address me personally and I will do the same.

reply from: yoda

Then Farismear isn't a Christian? Because it SURE makes a difference to HIM!
1. I'm NOT your "honey".
2. I DID NOT tell you to leave, did I?
3. You can't ruin anyone's day, much less mine.
4. I have never, ever "attacked Christ"
"Ran"? Every time someone overlooks a question, or doesn't feel it important to bother with, they are running? Woooooowwwww... you have SOME EGO........
Oh, and as to your "big question", I do not recall anything said by the adulteress that would qualify as an attempt to mislead.... unlike the many, many things that carolemaries has said here.....

reply from: yoda

I'm afraid that poster is having some sort of emotional crisis.... her posts are getting wilder and more bizarre all the time....

reply from: 4given

I'm afraid that poster is having some sort of emotional crisis.... her posts are getting wilder and more bizarre all the time....
I don't know friend. Yoda- please pray for her. *edit* It is called menopause . Shall we excuse her?

reply from: yoda

For you, I will make an exception.

reply from: carolemarie

How does the second thing prove the first? Can a person not be unrepentant and prolife at the same time?
You affirm your morals by what the public thinks? Is the majority always moral in this country, according to you?
What have those babies done to deserve to die? What have they done to you?
Is "regret" the same as "repent"? I can regret choosing the wrong automobile or house, but I don't "repent" of those "mistakes". Don't you know the difference?
WHERE IS YOUR LOVING CHRISTIAN HEART AND YOUR KIND CHARITY TODAY?
I get worn out with all the lies, slander and hate directed at me. I am not perfect yet and sometimes get sick of the hate attacks you like to be involved in with your little pack. I do pray for you and for the most part, I take the insults and ignore them. I have acted very Christian towards all the stone throwers...it is the stone throwers who do not see fit to act like Christians..
I have stated over and over that abortion is wrong, that I was wrong to choose it. I am not wallowing in a pity party that I made choices that I regret.
When I became a Christian, 17 years after the abortions, I repented for all my sins, not just abortion and was forgiven. I regret the things I did before I knew Christ.....I couldn't get saved if I didn't repent. This is one of those obvious things that you should be able to deduce without having every phrase parsed for hidden meaning.
And I disagree with the personhood bill. Don't like it, and the more FB and you insist that I have to like it the more I hate it. Because you are all totally unreasonable, don't care a fig about the woman and want her punished so badly that bad legislation is okay-doaky with you. So if you & FB like it, I can be pretty certain it sucks...
And I believe in allowing a woman to chose abortion to live! I am prolife, not profetus like you.
I am even willing to allow rape and incest vicitms 1% the choice to have an abortion, not because the fetus did anything wrong, but because the victim of a violent crime can't be forced to bear the abusers child. That is equally wrong.
I hope that clears things up for you.

reply from: yoda

I didn't think you would answer any of my questions, and I was right. So, looks like churchmouse ought to be accusing you of "running away" from them just any time now.
I do hate your attitude about certain unborn babies, and I am not ashamed of that hatred. Of course, you'll never, ever quote any of my "hate attacks", will you?
But, it's okay for you to attack people, because you are "worn out", right? Hey, that's a good one..... can I use that?
And that's why you oppose personhood? My goodness, I didn't think there was anyone who would condemn unborn babies because they didn't like a certain prolifer, but you have proved me wrong!
I'm proud to be "pro-fetus", and I guess you're proud to be "anti-fetus", right?
It's actually HALF his, and HALF hers, did you forget that?.
So, what you're saying is that you think they ought to be allowed to KILL that child that they ALREADY HAVE......
Yes, that clears it up very well, thank you!

reply from: faithman

How does the second thing prove the first? Can a person not be unrepentant and prolife at the same time?
You affirm your morals by what the public thinks? Is the majority always moral in this country, according to you?
What have those babies done to deserve to die? What have they done to you?
Is "regret" the same as "repent"? I can regret choosing the wrong automobile or house, but I don't "repent" of those "mistakes". Don't you know the difference?
WHERE IS YOUR LOVING CHRISTIAN HEART AND YOUR KIND CHARITY TODAY?
I get worn out with all the lies, slander and hate directed at me. I am not perfect yet and sometimes get sick of the hate attacks you like to be involved in with your little pack. I do pray for you and for the most part, I take the insults and ignore them. I have acted very Christian towards all the stone throwers...it is the stone throwers who do not see fit to act like Christians..
I have stated over and over that abortion is wrong, that I was wrong to choose it. I am not wallowing in a pity party that I made choices that I regret.
When I became a Christian, 17 years after the abortions, I repented for all my sins, not just abortion and was forgiven. I regret the things I did before I knew Christ.....I couldn't get saved if I didn't repent. This is one of those obvious things that you should be able to deduce without having every phrase parsed for hidden meaning.
And I disagree with the personhood bill. Don't like it, and the more FB and you insist that I have to like it the more I hate it. Because you are all totally unreasonable, don't care a fig about the woman and want her punished so badly that bad legislation is okay-doaky with you. So if you & FB like it, I can be pretty certain it sucks...
And I believe in allowing a woman to chose abortion to live! I am prolife, not profetus like you.
I am even willing to allow rape and incest vicitms 1% the choice to have an abortion, not because the fetus did anything wrong, but because the victim of a violent crime can't be forced to bear the abusers child. That is equally wrong.
I hope that clears things up for you.
That clears it just fine. At the end of the day you are a baby killer in word and deed, and if you don't like hereing the truth about yourself, go away. No one is forcing your baby killing behind to come here. But you did force death on three of your own children, and want to make sure future killers can force death on their children. That is not slander or hate, that is a fact.

reply from: carolemarie

I am not leaving the board. I think you should leave. Start your own woman hating forum

reply from: faithman

Seeings how I am not a woman hater, why would I want to do that? You are a womb child hater, why don't you go start one of those?

reply from: carolemarie

I care very much about the unborn and their mothers. You only care about the unborn....

reply from: ChristianLott2

You need to stop lying and admit you are pro choice, cm.

reply from: faithman

Yah, you care about them SSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOO much you are willing to kill them. Show one post where we ever said we only care about the baby [ thats fetus to you killers in case you were confused]. We have constantly said to save both. But you are willing to do the same thing you have done to your own simply because dad may have been a rapist. just like a killing pro-abort, you try and put words into our mouths without one lick of proof. But you get to spew your lying hatred against us be cause you are "angry"; right?

reply from: carolemarie

CL2, you are really just wasting my time, and I am being equally silly to even reply to you. I have decided to put you on ignore to spare us both and the rest of the folks on the board this endless pointless back and forth.
I do have some pity for you, since you lost your child and haven't learned how to give your pain to Jesus....you are to busy lashing out to get healed. I am going to pray for you,
I hope you find peace and healing!
Carolemarie

reply from: faithman

http://www.abortionno.org/

reply from: carolemarie

That is a disgusting link to post!

reply from: faithman

http://www.abortionno.org/

reply from: 4given

It is the truth though. Abortion is disgusting.

reply from: ChristianLott2

It is the truth though. Abortion is disgusting.
The 2% she endorses = 40,150 murdered babies a year.

reply from: 4given

In reality it may be more because not every state reports. Mine is the most liberal in regard to abortion and has not reported in 10 years. Nevermind the MAP, chemical or medical abortions.. Anyone can say whatever to justify their abortion. I think many women state rape so that they can try to live without the guilt of electively killing their offspring..

reply from: carolemarie

Not all of the 2% abort . Some choose life.
And why would you think they would lie? They would know they were lying and that would defeat any attempt and avoiding guilt.
You could just think of it as restarting your period if you want to avoid guilt, or having a miscarriage....

reply from: faithman

http://www.abortionno.org/

reply from: 4given

The 2% are reported abortions due to rape. Otherwise they would not be included in the totals.
Because they know it is wrong. Maybe I am way off here. I want to think that many women that abort their children are misinformed and still have a conscience over it. I don't know and won't likely ever understand how one could do it. I understand why.. but how.. I can not relate to that.

reply from: faithman

The 2% are reported abortions due to rape. Otherwise they would not be included in the totals.
Because they know it is wrong. Maybe I am way off here. I want to think that many women that abort their children are misinformed and still have a conscience over it. I don't know and won't likely ever understand how one could do it. I understand why.. but how.. I can not relate to that.
http://www.abortionno.org/

reply from: carolemarie

Not everyone is tempted with the same sins.
I have no desire to gamble, that doesn't make me more moral, just not attracted to that vice.
But you can understand that they are lost and without God, and need a Savior. They need kindness and compassion because that is what leads people to God. We all respond to kindness.

reply from: 4given

True, but it is also important that one accepts the truth of what they have done and who they are without Him.

reply from: faithman

http://www.abortionno.org/

reply from: carolemarie

I am okay with letting Jesus do that. He knows when they are ready and how much truth they can handle at the moment....
When I first got saved, I just said I was sorry for all my sins....I didn't name them I just couldn't do that. The Lord was gracious and kind and slowly took me to those places, He doesn't dump more on you than you can bear....
we have no idea what other people can take, or can hear. God will lead them into all truth, in His time. And they may never admit it to you. God gently breaks down the walls we have to protect ourselves.
I forget who said it, I think St. Augustine, but it was that if God let us see ourselves as we really are, we would lose our minds...

reply from: faithman

http://www.abortionno.org/

reply from: carolemarie

I do look at myself honestly. It is you who trys to slander me and use my past to attempt to hurt me for not agreeing with you.
But it doesn't work because I know the truth and so does everyone who has had to watch you try to shame me with my past.
You are satans' little tool to try and rub my face in my past. I am forgiven and am not a babykiller or a scanc nor do I deserve to be called that.
Learn to disagree without being a jerk.

reply from: SPRINGHEELJACK

FAITHMAN IS A SCUM SUCKING LOW LIFE COWARD WHO EXPLOITS AND HIDES BEHIND DECEASED BABIES AS AN EXCUSE TO DEGRADE OTHERS.

reply from: churchmouse

No not attack but a truth statement the way I see things here. I can judge actions and words.....and that is all we have here on the internet. Do you judge people here? I think you most certainly do just that. I cant judge but you can? LOL
Ok 4given.....how do you think Faithman relates to this scripture. He claims to be a Christian and he wont address these scriptures.
"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous" (Matthew 5:43-45)
Love is a matter of choice 4given. Is Faithman and others on here claiming to be Christian following this scripture? Is their conduct to Carole and other post abortive women abusive or godly?
Can we hate in the presence of God 4given? Jesus set the example.....are they good godly examples? You tell me.
Christ said, "But I say to you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which spitefully use you, and persecute you".
Matthew 5:16 says, "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."
Does Faithmans light shine and glorify the God that said to love even thy enemy?
IT DOES NOT. He might mean well, and have good intentions for the unborn etc.....but by his hateful actions on this forum, in no way does it honor the very God that forgives him, his owns sins.
I look at it this way 4given One of our jobs as Christians is to help those in sin to recover, and come to Christ. We cant do that if we are mean and nasty people.
James 1:19: "Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
20: For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
21: Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
22: But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23: For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
25: But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed."
This should be a reminder to every Christian how to love enemies. We do not need to condone the evil they do but we need to forgive them like Christ forgave us. Who did Christ die for? His followers but also His enemies. Wow what love, what holy and pure love that is. Isnt that what we should do?
You are a mean man whose heart is hardened beyond your years. I feel so so sorry for you and those you must come in contact with. I will continue to pray for your soul that God do something in your life that brings you to your knees. Because you dont get it FAithman. You hate to much to get it. You show ungody behavior here on this forum and I am sure you do in real life as well. It is an insult to the Word that you pretend to care so much for the unborn and the way you do it is uncalled for. You care about you. You and your cards. Its all about you and your ungodly ego.
And you do seem to hate most woman. You hate period. You hate people who dont bow down to your cards......who dont bow to your posts......who dont kiss your fanny over every issue. I mean who do you think you are?
And you have sucked all these other wanna bes in your web of hating. You taught them well.
CArole you are right, Faithman and the rest are Satans tools. And we might not see justice here on this forum......but we know our God is just and they will pay for the hatred they have shown here. They should be fearful. They should fear God.

reply from: carolemarie

I think it is just going to far to post dead babies pictures and state this is what I did on them...that is more than hateful, I don't have adquate words to describe how much that hurts, it is being cruel for no reason...

reply from: faithman

SSSSSOOOO you didn't do http://www.abortionno.org/ to three of your own? The truth only hurts when it should. If viewing the truth hurts SSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOO bad, then why continue to advocate for it to happen to other womb children? Maybe one day it will hurt enough for you to truely repent of it and forsake all justification for the murder you commited. I thought you said you had no regrets? If that were true, then the http://www.abortionno.org/ would not efect you at all.... And by the way, the http://www.abortionno.org/ hurts all of us. It's just that some of us don't hide behind the pain for selfjustification, and pandering for simpathy. Some rise up out of the pain of watching a helpless child die in a horrible way, and do what we can to stop it, not give it a free pass under the flag of false compassion.

reply from: carolemarie

I advocate for choosing life. I just allow for the exceptions in the very rare cases because there is no universal solution.
I hate abortion and I work to end it. I do it by loving people , you should try it.

reply from: faithman

If love means a baby purposly dies, then it is not love at all. It is also no act of love to allow the unrepentant to go unchallenged, nor is it an act of mercy to exstend compassion to the guilty at the expence of the innocent. That is just to high a price. I am all for exstending mercy to killers, as long as it is thru the bars of justice. You might try loving the womb child enough to stop their slaughter, and stop advocating for their future distruction. It is really rich that you would call me a hater when you are the one who participated in the hatful act of abortion, and still advocate for that hatful act to this day. It is not an act of compassion to allow killers to walk free while the blood of their victims polutes the land. "Exceptions" is not pro-life, and cheap grace is not the gospel.

reply from: carolemarie

I participated in abortion when I was a kid. Decades later, I am prolife. My participation is ancient history

reply from: faithman

History is matching the present. Deed may have been history, but words say you are still in agreement with history.

reply from: yoda

Yes, sometimes the truth hurts, doesn't it?

reply from: scopia19822

"I advocate for choosing life. I just allow for the exceptions in the very rare cases because there is no universal solution."
The exceptions are human lives. They deserve the same right to life and protection as the other 98%.
"I hate abortion and I work to end it. I do it by loving people , you should try it."
I do believe you hate abortion and I think what you are doing will go a long way and reach alot more people than what the haters club would do. However, I do think you are wrong on the exceptions, especially the rape/incest cases.

reply from: faithman

History is matching the present. Deed may have been history, but words say you are still in agreement with history.

reply from: LisaAnne

If pro-lifers will not unite, the pro-choice movement is going to eat us alive. We have got to stop these personal attacks and start working together.

reply from: faithman

IAAP is perfectly united. We are all for folks working with us. We just ain't into unity for unity sake. I will not number myself with the phonies, nor will I give up my free speech voice just to protect the pretence of "unity". That is neither healthy, nor effective. And I could really care less whether you like it or not.

reply from: LisaAnne

The International Association of Administrative Professionals?

reply from: faithman

The International Association of Administrative Professionals?
You know exactly what it stands for, and has been postede many times here. I AM A PERSON. But leave it to a weenie phony to try and cause unnessisary confussion.

reply from: Shenanigans

And isn't it your opinion that if you oppose exceptios you are not pro-life?
What's that statement about the log in your own eye...

reply from: Shenanigans

I'm all for this personhood business if it helps end abortion.
However, I don't see people who have had abortions getting in the crap justice wise, firstlly, good luck tracking down all the murderous mothers out there with the kind of reporting the abortion mills employ. Plus, I can't remember what its called cos its got some fancy name, but the lawyers in my family told me that if there is a law that says x is legal one day and so many people commit x and then x becomes illegal the next, those who committed x before it was criminilised cannot face justice.

reply from: yoda

No one has suggested making it retroactive for the women, as far as I know. That honor is reserved for abortionists, if it ever comes to that.

reply from: Shenanigans

That's over double the abortions performed in my smelly, ill gotten country!
And CM, seriously, surely you must know by now not to click Faithman's links...

reply from: carolemarie

That's over double the abortions performed in my smelly, ill gotten country!
And CM, seriously, surely you must know by now not to click Faithman's links...
I usually don't, but I was morbidly curious at the time. I have been cured of that.
I am not a fan of the gory stuff...
And I don't endorse any abortion, I was just for allowing the exception in th ehard cases. I now only want it in the life/health of the mother cases.
Try to keep up


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