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PROLIFERS OF THIS FORUM--STOP THE INJUSTICE OF ATTACKS ON THE POST-ABORTIVE

Let's not use them as punching bags, please.

by: churchmouse

I believe in free speech. And that is one good thing about this site. Go to Beliefnet and see how far you get. They tie the hands of the pro-lifer.
I have shared my feeling about the treatment she has recieved, I think it is uncalled for especially because most of the ones doing it CLAIM to be Christians. No Christian would display behavior like they are doing. No Christian who loves God and takes His commandments seriously would do what they are doing.
Mark Crutcher takes a tough stance on abortion and I know he probably would dissagree with her on many levels, especially personhood. If you read his blogs.....which are all first rate, you will see that he also tells it like it is. But I would also imagine that he like I do believes in free speech.
I believe she can hold her own and has. As I said, I do not agree with her totally but she shows more composure than the stone throwers that dont see the sin in their own lives, that would rather shout vulgarities than try to show her that her position is wrong especially in Gods eyes.
I know you mean well and when I see the vulagrities I cringe as well. However......its the same people doing it over and over and its old hat. Some people like to hate.....and we see that here with a lot who think they are better than anyone else. They have to make polls.....lists, call names.......its their nature and they show exactly where their hearts are. And they are not with God thats for sure.

reply from: scopia19822

Churchmouse their is a difference between free speech and slander. Slander/liable isnt protected under the first amendment. What has happened to CM and many other is slander and a high tech lynching. It needs to be stopped.

reply from: Faramir

You are making excuses for abusive behaviour that should not be tolerated.
I know you've experieced some yourself, but only a fraction of it.
It's wrong and it should be stopped or controlled.
I don't just "mean well."
I'm speaking out against an injustice and urge others who cringe inwardly, to express themselves outwardly.
And it's not just about CM, but the principle of it.
It does no good to reason with the abusive and the intolerant, but if the owner of this forum is a good man, if it is brought to his attention, he will put an end to it.

reply from: lycan

AMEN!
As a man I can understand the sense of powerlessness someone like CL2 must have felt when his child was aborted. However, that doesn't give people like that the right to persecute someone who is trying her best to help others avoid the same mistakes she made.
CL2 needs to talk to someone to help him through his pain. Maybe not necessarily a psychologist, because they can be among the most proabortion people around. But he needs to talk to someone. Same for Yoda if that's a problem with him.

reply from: scopia19822

"CL2 needs to talk to someone to help him through his pain. Maybe not necessarily a psychologist, because they can be among the most proabortion people around. But he needs to talk to someone. Same for Yoda if that's a problem with him."
IMHO they are stagnating in dealing with their griefi. A great injustice was done to them and often anger, bitterness and hatred overcome all reason and often people find comfort in hate/fear. To get help to work through it would bring them out of that comfort zone and that can be scary.

reply from: speck

Faramir
While I agree with everything you are saying, do not expect much.
MC has had people like Faithman, be a guest speaker on a radio show.
People like FM and ilk, will never stop the abuse, and MC will never stop the abusers.
As for free speech on this site....if that were true, people like vexing would still be here.

reply from: yoda

You know, you can take that "concern" of yours and a five dollar bill, and get a cup of coffee almost anywhere....... think about it....

reply from: yoda

Weenie speaks........ and cries...... and wails..... and begs..... and demands censorship.... and cries..... and wails....... but will not leave.....
Poor Mark must be sore from laughing at him....

reply from: yoda

Hey, you're still here....... but no, there is no "free speech" on a private forum, actually. Speech here is allowed by the owners, not the constitution.

reply from: micah

Faramir, what do you think this forum is about? What do you expect on here?

reply from: faithman

Accurate discription is not slander. I have slandered no one.

reply from: SRUW4I5

Accurate discription is not slander. I have slandered no one.
I'm not sure about it being slander, but it seems to be libel.

reply from: Banned Member

CarolMarie, like anyone else here, can defend herself and her actions, or like anyone else, leave. All of us have made known actions or made decisions that others on this board either do not respect, or make fun of. Faramir, with all due respect, I am not certain why you have to play the shining knight on a white horse for CarolMarie. The more you protest, the less ground you gain. Complaining that the rules of engagement are unfair does not win the argument.

reply from: faithman

Accurate discription is not slander. I have slandered no one.
I'm not sure about it being slander, but it seems to be libel.
Slander and libel are from the same flock. I have done niether here, for as I have already said, accurate discription is not either one.

reply from: yoda

That is a puzzle indeed. Maybe Weenie keeps stirring the pot so as to keep the controversy going?
I have wondered what he's really trying to do, and who he really is.... but of course, that's beside the excellent point you made....

reply from: yoda

What's the "false" part?

reply from: faithman

It fits those.
No it does not. did you miss the second word? Nothing I have said is false.

reply from: SRUW4I5

What's the "false" part?
I only meant it fits the part I bolded... Calling her a "scanc" might not be true. I looked up killer and didn't find any definition that would fit a woman who has an abortion performed on her. I might not have looked closely enough.

reply from: SRUW4I5

It fits those.
No it does not. did you miss the second word? Nothing I have said is false.
it has the word OR meaning for it to fit the part I bolded it doesn't have to be false

reply from: yoda

NOPE!
It says "any false AND malicious"....... NOT "false OR malicious".
Look again!

reply from: faithman

It fits those.
No it does not. did you miss the second word? Nothing I have said is false.
it has the word OR meaning for it to fit the part I bolded it doesn't have to be false
OOOOOOHHH this is ssssooo tedious. The first part of a definition is it's main meaning. The rest usually just "fleshes out" the meaning. The second word in your posted def is false. accurate discription is not false. I have slandered and libeled no one.

reply from: SRUW4I5

It fits those.
No it does not. did you miss the second word? Nothing I have said is false.
it has the word OR meaning for it to fit the part I bolded it doesn't have to be false
OOOOOOHHH this is ssssooo tedious. The first part of a definition is it's main meaning. The rest usually just "fleshes out" the meaning. The second word in your posted def is false. accurate discription is not false. I have slandered and libeled no one.
Unless you know everyone here personally you can't be sure everything you think or say about people is 100% true.

reply from: faithman

It fits those.
No it does not. did you miss the second word? Nothing I have said is false.
it has the word OR meaning for it to fit the part I bolded it doesn't have to be false
OOOOOOHHH this is ssssooo tedious. The first part of a definition is it's main meaning. The rest usually just "fleshes out" the meaning. The second word in your posted def is false. accurate discription is not false. I have slandered and libeled no one.
Unless you know everyone here personally you can't be sure everything you think or say about people is 100% true.
Maybe so. But all I have to go on is what they say. They said they were a killer of three. They say that the womb child is not equal to the born. They use pro-death lingo like "fetus" as a general term. they have promised to fight person hood. Now I have not falsly accused anyone of anything. I merely took them at their word. You can not call yourself pro-life and do pro-death scancy things. I have slander/libeled no one. I have merely used accurate discription to expose a phony.

reply from: SRUW4I5

NOPE!
It says "any false AND malicious"....... NOT "false OR malicious".
Look again!
There is more than one way of reading it. The following definition works anyway
Depending on how you look at it some of what he said can be seen as libel.

reply from: yoda

That depends on what you base it on. For example, if I base a statement on what someone says, like if they say "I don't know if it would be best to force a child to abort or not", then that can be 100% true.
When is it ever "best" to electively kill an innocent unborn baby?

reply from: faithman

NOPE!
It says "any false AND malicious"....... NOT "false OR malicious".
Look again!
There is more than one way of reading it. The following definition works anyway
Depending on how you look at it some of what he said can be seen as libel.
Only if it were false, which it is not.

reply from: churchmouse

Lynching? If you share your abortion story you take the risk that you might be verbally abused. I dont care because most the time the accuser looks worse than the one that had the abortion.
They namecall, shout obscenities etc.......it shows them in a bad light.
I believe in free speech as I said....and although I think it is unChristian to use words like the ones being used to described Carole I believe the unkind, uncompassionate, ungodly people using them have that right.
One can never see good and compare it to anything until they see evil at work.
Carole can take it. Those words probably do not hurt her anymore, they dont hurt me. BECAUSE GODS ATTITUDE TOWARDS ME IS ALL I CARE ABOUT. And I have been forgiven and Carole has been forgiven. If you doubt that then you need to open your dusty bibles and read Gods word.
I pray for those who are out of line here......they need Gods hand upon their hearts.
They certainly do not walk in the light. Their words tear, they break down and they show Christ in a negative way because CHRIST WOULD NOT TALK LIKE THEY DO.
I pity these people who think they are doing good by verbally abusing some here on this forum. They need our prayers.
And yoda.......vexing went past free speech, he used threatening words.

reply from: SRUW4I5

So nothing you said is unflattering of the people you said it about?

reply from: faithman

Lynching? If you share your abortion story you take the risk that you might be verbally abused. I dont care because most the time the accuser looks worse than the one that had the abortion.
They namecall, shout obscenities etc.......it shows them in a bad light.
I believe in free speech as I said....and although I think it is unChristian to use words like the ones being used to described Carole I believe the unkind, uncompassionate, ungodly people using them have that right.
One can never see good and compare it to anything until they see evil at work.
Carole can take it. Those words probably do not hurt her anymore, they dont hurt me. BECAUSE GODS ATTITUDE TOWARDS ME IS ALL I CARE ABOUT. And I have been forgiven and Carole has been forgiven. If you doubt that then you need to open your dusty bibles and read Gods word.
I pray for those who are out of line here......they need Gods hand upon their hearts.
They certainly do not walk in the light. Their words tear, they break down and they show Christ in a negative way because CHRIST WOULD NOT TALK LIKE THEY DO.
I pity these people who think they are doing good by verbally abusing some here on this forum. They need our prayers.
And yoda.......vexing went past free speech, he used threatening words.
HHHHMMMMM, you speak of a Christ not found in the bible...John 2:13-17, Mathew3:7; Mt12:34; luke3:7; Luke 4:8; John 8:44; Seems to me that the Lord Jesus was pretty good at name calling, as these are only a few examples of His words. According to you, He was a slanderer/libeler. the Lord draws near the broken and contrite, not an arrogant unrepentant killer.

reply from: BossMomma

To avoid the abuse Carole would do well to use her ignore function, our moderator clearly doesn't give a rats ass.

reply from: ChristianLott2

HHHHMMMMM, you speak of a Christ not found in the bible...John 2:13-17,
13When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14In the temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!"
17His disciples remembered that it is written: "Zeal for your house will consume me."
7But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?"
34You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.
7John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?"
8Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'"
44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Well said.

reply from: Faramir

ATTENTION MARK CRUTCHER
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
A post-abortive woman, who regrets her abortion(s), and who is involved in the pro-life work of counseling and preventing babies from being destroyed by abortion, should be able to post on this board in peace and not be continually harassed and abused.
While it is appreciated that you offer a place for this topic to be discussed, your forum has become a free-for-all, and the most vulnerable, who have stories to tell about the lessons they learned, instead of being encouraged for sharing their stories, are condemned and persecuted.
There is nothing wrong with honest debate and disagreement, but name-calling like "scanc" and "killer," should not be permitted in a civil discussion, and this conduct repels others from joining in this important discussion. And it certainly discourages others who are post-abortive, who might otherwise share the lessons they've learned.
I implore you moderate this forum, at least minimally, and prevent the rampant abusiveness that has been allowed, and which reflects poorly on the pro-life cause.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Attention fearasmear!
I hope he kicks you out for your little spam routine.

reply from: faithman

Attention Mark Crutcher. The phonies on this forum are a buch of cry baby wooses that want you to join their ranks and censor real pro-life speach. It would be a tragedy to supress the truth as other casper milk toast "pro-life" forums have done. Please do not give in to the faux-lifers and bortheads. We have let them smear their fecal matter over this issue for 36 years. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!

reply from: sheri

The problem with fboy chasing Cm around and calling her a killer every chance he gets is that a post abortive woman may come on this forum and get the immpression that this is how the prolife movement views them.
His arguement is lost in his cruel and foolish rantings.
It is good that Farimir "ride in on his white horse" to defend CM, she may well be able to take care of herself but it is important for observers to know that the prolifers are here for the women as well as their preborn children.

reply from: Faramir

Thank you for your support.
As wrong as it is that CM has been used as a punching bag, it is the general concern, which you referred to as well.
Please join me in my spam crusade for justice.
ATTENTION MARK CRUTCHER
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
A post-abortive woman, who regrets her abortion(s), and who is involved in the pro-life work of counseling and preventing babies from being destroyed by abortion, should be able to post on this board in peace and not be continually harassed and abused.
While it is appreciated that you offer a place for this topic to be discussed, your forum has become a free-for-all, and the most vulnerable, who have stories to tell about the lessons they learned, instead of being encouraged for sharing their stories, are condemned and persecuted.
There is nothing wrong with honest debate and disagreement, but name-calling like "scanc" and "killer," should not be permitted in a civil discussion, and this conduct repels others from joining in this important discussion. And it certainly discourages others who are post-abortive, who might otherwise share the lessons they've learned.
I implore you moderate this forum, at least minimally, and prevent the rampant abusiveness that has been allowed, and which reflects poorly on the pro-life cause.

reply from: Faramir

If he's the nice Christian guy everyone says he is, he would be horrified by the abusviness on this site. I think maybe he isn't aware of it.
ATTENTION MARK CRUTCHER
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
A post-abortive woman, who regrets her abortion(s), and who is involved in the pro-life work of counseling and preventing babies from being destroyed by abortion, should be able to post on this board in peace and not be continually harassed and abused.
While it is appreciated that you offer a place for this topic to be discussed, your forum has become a free-for-all, and the most vulnerable, who have stories to tell about the lessons they learned, instead of being encouraged for sharing their stories, are condemned and persecuted.
There is nothing wrong with honest debate and disagreement, but name-calling like "scanc" and "killer," should not be permitted in a civil discussion, and this conduct repels others from joining in this important discussion. And it certainly discourages others who are post-abortive, who might otherwise share the lessons they've learned.
I implore you moderate this forum, at least minimally, and prevent the rampant abusiveness that has been allowed, and which reflects poorly on the pro-life cause.

reply from: faithman

If he's the nice Christian guy everyone says he is, he would be horrified by the abusviness on this site. I think maybe he isn't aware of it.
ATTENTION MARK CRUTCHER
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
A post-abortive woman, who regrets her abortion(s), and who is involved in the pro-life work of counseling and preventing babies from being destroyed by abortion, should be able to post on this board in peace and not be continually harassed and abused.
While it is appreciated that you offer a place for this topic to be discussed, your forum has become a free-for-all, and the most vulnerable, who have stories to tell about the lessons they learned, instead of being encouraged for sharing their stories, are condemned and persecuted.
There is nothing wrong with honest debate and disagreement, but name-calling like "scanc" and "killer," should not be permitted in a civil discussion, and this conduct repels others from joining in this important discussion. And it certainly discourages others who are post-abortive, who might otherwise share the lessons they've learned.
I implore you moderate this forum, at least minimally, and prevent the rampant abusiveness that has been allowed, and which reflects poorly on the pro-life cause.
Attention Mark Crutcher. The phonies on this forum are a bunch of cry baby wooses that want you to join their ranks and censor real pro-life speach. It would be a tragedy to supress the truth as other casper milk toast "pro-life" forums have done. Please do not give in to the faux-lifers and bortheads. We have let them smear their fecal matter over this issue for 36 years. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!

reply from: yoda

Yeah, I know...... some people just don't care about little "details" like that.

reply from: yoda

I have a suggestion as to what you can do with your "spam crusade". Would you like to hear it?

reply from: faithman

Funny how you put women first in your post, just like the phony Cm does all the time. If you don't have the stomach for the fight, stay out of the way. But I never intend to let a blatant baby killer get away with calling themselves pro-life. She is not. Get over it.

reply from: scopia19822

"I'm not sure about it being slander, but it seems to be libel."
I believe you are right slander is spoken, libel is in print and would apply on this fourm. Both are illegal and not protected under the first amendment.

reply from: scopia19822

.
"I believe in free speech as I said...."
Mouse, slander and libel which is what is going on here is not protected free speech. These people are deliberatly trying to defame Caroles name and her characther. Those faux Christians that are doing it are committing a mortal sin over and over again left unrepented of and unconfessed will endanger their souls to hellfire. Thou shalt not bear false withness against thy neighbor.

reply from: faithman

....and I have done niether. Accurate discription is niether and is protected speach. I have libeled no one. And I would be more than glad to go to court over it, so sue away if you please. It wouldn't last a day in court before it was thrown out.

reply from: ChristianLott2

What I think should happen is that all the people making the false accusations and threats need to be booted from this forum.
But spam away fearasmear and scopia and sru whatever. You're a bunch of idiots as that is an accurate description.

reply from: lycan

You know, you can add me to your faux-lifer's list.

reply from: faithman

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg What CM said she would fight tooth and toenail.

reply from: faithman

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg, What Faramir recieved for free and didn't use.

reply from: faithman

http://www.markcrutcherblog.com/index.cfm/2009/1/

reply from: Faramir

ATTENTION MARK CRUTCHER
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
A post-abortive woman, who regrets her abortion(s), and who is involved in the pro-life work of counseling and preventing babies from being destroyed by abortion, should be able to post on this board in peace and not be continually harassed and abused.
While it is appreciated that you offer a place for this topic to be discussed, your forum has become a free-for-all, and the most vulnerable, who have stories to tell about the lessons they learned, instead of being encouraged for sharing their stories, are condemned and persecuted.
There is nothing wrong with honest debate and disagreement, but name-calling like "scanc" and "killer," should not be permitted in a civil discussion, and this conduct repels others from joining in this important discussion. And it certainly discourages others who are post-abortive, who might otherwise share the lessons they've learned.
I implore you to moderate this forum, at least minimally, and prevent the rampant abusiveness that has been allowed, and which reflects poorly on the pro-life cause.

reply from: faithman

Attention Mark Crutcher. The phonies on this forum are a bunch of cry baby wooses that want you to join their ranks and censor real pro-life speach. It would be a tragedy to supress the truth as other casper milk toast "pro-life" forums have done. Please do not give in to the faux-lifers and bortheads. We have let them smear their fecal matter over this issue for 36 years. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Hear hear!! Death scanc is not part of free speech, it's just the insults of a bully.
Just because you CAN say it doesn't mean you SHOULD.
What would Jesus say? Not death scanc, that's for sure.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

She shouldn't have to defend herself every day, in every post on this forum. That's like saying "life isn't fair, learn to swim" and tossing your child into the deep end of the pool.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Attention fearasmear!
I hope he kicks you out for your little spam routine.
He'd have to kick out Faithman and Augustine first.

reply from: Banned Member

I do not spam. I post pro-life links and try to steer discussions back towards abortion, why abortion is wrong and what can be done about it.

reply from: MC3

I will repeat a few things I have stated in the past. Life Dynamics has neither the resources nor the inclination to censor this forum. I have always said that I would shut it down before resorting to that sort of thing.
Now, have there been times when pro-lifers have said things here of which I disapprove? Absolutely. Whether you believe it or not, the truth is that we have removed things that were posted by people who are friends of mine when we felt like they crossed over the line.
Do we tolerate more from pro-lifers than we do from pro-aborts? I don't really think so but I will be the first to admit that it's possible. It is simply human nature to favor those who share your opinions. Further, anyone who tells you that they could operate a forum on a subject as emotionally charged as abortion while always being completely neutral and fair is either unbelievably stupid or a liar. The one thing I know for certain is that the Pro-Life America Forum tolerates far more abuse from the pro-choice mob than ANY pro-choice forum tolerates from pro-lifers.
So let me make it clear one more time. From the start we have policed the content on this forum very little and that will continue to be our policy. For those who find that approach unsatisfying, I feel compelled to point out that there is no need for you to get your big girl panties in a wad. Remember, you are free to leave at any time. With nothing more than a click of the mouse, you can put us out of your misery.
So stay if you want, or go. But either way, quit whining.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

That you for posting. It does take time and dedication to properly moderate a forum; as a former moderator I know what it's like to sift through hundreds of posts a week.
I don't agree with how this forum is run, but at least you came and talked to us. It kind of felt like we were conversing with a brick wall for a while there... Now that we know nothing is going to be done about the abuse, we can take individual action to place the offenders on ignore and get on with our lives.

reply from: ChristianLott2

but maybe you can start a forum of your own and go there.

reply from: Faramir

It doesn't take much in the way of "resources" to keep abusive and degrading posts out of a forum.
And to prevent the harrassment and degradation of post-abortive women is not "resorting" to anything, as if that would be a bad thing to do.
And I have made my statments as a pro-lifer and am not concerned if you favor pro-lifers. I am concerned that you allow post-abortive women to be used as punching bags.
Who said a word about being completely "fair or neutral"?
You allow bullies to call pro-life post-abortive women, who regret their abortion, "scanc" and "killer" and worse.
Are you proud of this "free speech" on your forum?
I have made this issue known and made my request in a respectful manner.
You have not responded in good faith, and as a pro-lifer, who is concerned about the babies and the post-abortive, especially those brave enough to share their stories in order to help others and prevent abortions, your response is supremely disappointing, and is not what I would expect of a pro-lifer or a Christian man.

reply from: scopia19822

I agree with you Faramir, its not fair that post abortive women who regret their choices are subjected to such hatred/abuse. Clearly it makes one wonder if women should seperate themselves from the men in the prolife movement and do outreach and offering assisitance on their own.

reply from: ChristianLott2

what about post abortive men who are constantly attacked?
bwaaaaa!!!!!
you and the rest of the faux lifers need to make your own site and stop whining. take a hint!

reply from: ChristianLott2

It doesn't take much in the way of "resources" to keep abusive and degrading posts out of a forum.
well then, why don't you make your own forum and moderate it yourself?
Listen socra-tease, your very first post after coming back was a big cry baby epic about your poor murderer friend. would you just shut up already? Find a different forum and take killer along with you.
while you make those who defend the pre born from your unrepentant terrorist gf YOUR snot rag.
She's not pro life, she's unrepentant and she's a murderer just like you.
you never did, you just felt like balling your little eyes out for a butcher. you're no different than her or any other fake-lifer.
worse? let's see a list of these. those words aren't just for her now though, they're for you too and all of her little faux life defenders.
make your own forum and moderate it yourself loser.
like this:
waaaaaa!!!!!!
Here they go, trying to shame and attack with their subtle anger and veiled hate..... try being a little less obvious next time, fake.

reply from: Faramir

what about post abortive men who are constantly attacked?
bwaaaaa!!!!!
you and the rest of the faux lifers need to make your own site and stop whining. take a hint!
It doesn't take rocket science, resources, or a lot of manpower to moderate a forum.
A few volunteers could keep things moderately civil.
This is not a "pro-life" message board. It is only pro-life in part.
It is mainly a place of recreation for those who like to bully and degrade others, while using "the babies" as a shield to do so. A moderated forum could prevent that, but it would spoil the fun for a few posters here.

reply from: Banned Member

It does however take a lot of time.

reply from: ChristianLott2

It doesn't take rocket science, resources, or a lot of manpower to moderate a forum.
A few volunteers could keep things moderately civil.
Who? You? Obviously you can not take a hint....
start your own forum with your own rules. go. do it now. stop wasting time. get to work.

reply from: Faramir

It does however take a lot of time.
It would take two or three volunteers to weed out the abusive and bullying posts.
It would not take a LOT of time.
There is NO EXCUSE for a pro-life and predominatly Christian forum to allow post-abortive women to be so horribly degraded.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I agree; kind of makes you feel the same way pro-choicers do, in that men should have no place in this debate. It's not true of course; half of all children are male!

reply from: scopia19822

"I agree; kind of makes you feel the same way pro-choicers do, in that men should have no place in this debate. It's not true of course; half of all children are male!"
I agree I think the prolife movement could use men like Charles and other likeminded men. Sadly when I hear people speak out against providing assistance for pregnant woman and women/ children in general is from so called prolife men.

reply from: Faramir

After rereading his post, I don't think he had a clue as to what I was actually "whining" about.

reply from: ChristianLott2

"I'm the sheriff!"
This forum is what is and has always been. Like MC told you, go find somewhere else to whine.

reply from: Faramir

If bullies and abusers are not told to go away, then I think "whiners" can stay too.
I plan to continue with my efforts to reform this board, in spite of the lack of cooperation from the powers that be.
Could I have some cheese please?

reply from: ChristianLott2

If bullies and abusers are not told to go away, then I think "whiners" can stay too.
but he did ask you to quite whining.
reform? rofl
we're fresh out. here's some mustard.

reply from: yoda

Isn't it funny that the same hollow threats are coming from the same hot air baloons that threatened to "sue" me over my photos?
We have enough hot air on this forum to float Mount Everest......

reply from: yoda

Well, if you insist....

reply from: yoda

Hey, I just GOTTA repeat this...... for WEENIE!

reply from: yoda

Certain women, yes. All women, no.
And don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.

reply from: Faramir

It doesn't take much in the way of "resources" to keep abusive and degrading posts out of a forum.
And to prevent the harrassment and degradation of post-abortive women is not "resorting" to anything, as if that would be a bad thing to do.
And I have made my statments as a pro-lifer and am not concerned if you favor pro-lifers. I am concerned that you allow post-abortive women to be used as punching bags.
Who said a word about being completely "fair or neutral"?
You allow bullies to call pro-life post-abortive women, who regret their abortion, "scanc" and "killer" and worse.
Are you proud of this "free speech" on your forum?
I have made this issue known and made my request in a respectful manner.
You have not responded in good faith, and as a pro-lifer, who is concerned about the babies and the post-abortive, especially those brave enough to share their stories in order to help others and prevent abortions, your response is supremely disappointing, and is not what I would expect of a pro-lifer or a Christian man.
Just wanted to repost this, because I thought my response was excellent.
And I invite Mr. Crutcher to respond to the actual issue next time.

reply from: yoda

ROTFLMAO !
ROTFLMAO !
ROTFLMAO !
ROTFLMAO!
STOP IT WEENIE, YOU'RE KILLING ME HERE!!!!

reply from: faithman

Snicker snicker...... It's a good thing you guys have deleted what I really think, or you really would hear some belly aching going on. ...big girl panties...snicker...

reply from: Faramir

I will repost my one of my favorite posts in this forum, which happens to be mine. It's too good to let it slip away.
And faithman, does your buddy Mark call post abortive women "scancs" behind their backs?
We really need sensitive men like you guys to put women in their place so we can save babies.

reply from: faithman

I say nothing behind anyones back punk. If I have something to say to Mr. Crutcher, I will drive to his office and say it, or at least call him on the phone. Mr. Crutcher has already pointed out that he does not agree with everything that I may have to say. I have been deleted several times despite your false accusation that the forum is not moderated. I could care less about an idiot like you is disappointed. Don't exspect anything out of me, and that won't happen. My loyalty does not lie with anyone here includding Mr. Crutcher. My loyalty lies with the womb child. And I could care less if that disappoints you, or doesn't come up to your expectations. You totally misrepresent the problem here. I do not have trouble with "ALL" post abortive women. I have a problem with a phony pro-lifer who tries to use her serial killing as a badge of honnor, and to this day uses pro-death rhetoric, vows to fight personhood, and at the end of the day says that some womb children should be murdered if they are to inconveniant. I have had many post abortive women contact me by PM for prayer and counciling.
We have provided free materials to post abortive ministries. and we have had post abortive women have the same problems with CM that I have. So shut your mouth liar, and quit making this what it is not. I do not have a prob with the post abortive in general like you imply. I have a prob with a phony, a killer,and the deadly enemy of the womb child.

reply from: Faramir

So you think she sidewalk counsels and tries to get women to not abort because....?
Do you think she is out there saying "yay, enjoy your abortion"?
Good for you if you are doing legitimate pro-life work, but it's hard to believe you do, because I can't see past your atrocious behaviour on this board.
I disagree with CM about most of the same things you do, but her personal abortions, that she regrets, and said she regretted many times, should not be a part of the debate, but I'm wasting my breath once more...

reply from: ChristianLott2

because she likes going back and reliving the moment with the.. who knows? who cares?
She's pro abortion for young girls! Did you miss those five threads or what? She's SICK! She shouldn't be talking to anyone. She should be talking to four walls in solitary!
and giving them candies and tea when they get out. yeah.
that sounds like a personal problem.
yeah, you're wasting your breath. she's still pro abortion. that means she doesn't really understand what YOU say she regrets. She doesn't even believe that's a child she murdered THREE times. She needs to look in the mirror and see herself as the murderer she is - and hopefully she'll see the person she should WANT to be and realize she needs to be pro life FOR REAL instead of being a phony.
You need to do it to.

reply from: faithman

No punk she didn't. when she first came here she point blank said she had no regrets, or feelings of remorse. She only vagely changed her song and dance after she was confronted about it. What is so hard to believe what I do when you are a recipiant of it, and the testamonies abound from others on this forum? And in case you haven't noticed, I did not come here to debate. I come here to net work with real pro-lifers, and kick crap out of bortheads and phonies. If you don't like it, then as everyone has told you many times, go away. No one is forcing you, or the street walking baby killer to stay. Go to your boo hoo room, pull your big girl panties out, and WWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAA to yourself. Most of us like it here just fine the way it is. If you can't play with the big boys, then go back to kiddy land until you get a pair of long pants.

reply from: Faramir

Wow, I wish I could be manly like you guys who use a woman as a punching bag.
I wish I had that kind of courage.

reply from: ChristianLott2

We attack you and her just as vehemently as any other pro abort. Are you saying we should treat killers with kiddie gloves just because they're female?
That's quite sexists. You're a 'natural' at hypocrisy it would seem.

reply from: carolemarie

No punk she didn't. when she first came here she point blank said she had no regrets, or feelings of remorse. She only vagely changed her song and dance after she was confronted about it. What is so hard to believe what I do when you are a recipiant of it, and the testamonies abound from others on this forum? And in case you haven't noticed, I did not come here to debate. I come here to net work with real pro-lifers, and kick crap out of bortheads and phonies. If you don't like it, then as everyone has told you many times, go away. No one is forcing you, or the street walking baby killer to stay. Go to your boo hoo room, pull your big girl panties out, and WWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAA to yourself. Most of us like it here just fine the way it is. If you can't play with the big boys, then go back to kiddy land until you get a pair of long pants.
I don't have any regrets or remorse because I have been forgiven.
Real healing takes all that away.....a concept you should know since you claim to be a Christian.
And you hate it that I am free of guilt....you seem to believe that if you have been forgiven you need to wallow in misery....
I decided to move on, and not allow the past to rob my future of joy and peace.
You and Satan seem determinded to try and stop that, but you have no power against the Most High God.

reply from: faithman

So here we go with the double speak again, and the false doctrine. The scripture also speaks of Godly sorrow, which you have none. If you were truely sorry for killing yopur children, then you would always have regrets, and remorse over it. That is not satan, that is the word.

reply from: carolemarie

Nope. I have no regrets and sorrow over it because God has changed it.
My children live with Him, they are not dead. That is good news to me.
It is counter productive to wallow in "oh, woe is me, I did such a bad thing"
God said to leave it at the cross, and I did. Jesus bears that not me.
And my past brought me to Jesus....so would I have been saved if I had lived a different life?
This is how Satan defeats people, he takes them on a tour of their Godless past, or he shows them a godless future.....
God is in the Now.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Move on and forget the womb child. You're not a defender of them or young girls, you are not even a person.

reply from: carolemarie

Take it up with God. He is the one who forgives and restores people.
It is His idea that people move on with their lives and live in freedom

reply from: ChristianLott2

You need to stop praying to devils and start weeping for the murder of your children. If you were a REAL person you would hold on to those babies for the rest of your life and into the next one.

reply from: churchmouse

"13When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14In the temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!"
Oh wow Jesus really swore and called names didnt he.......LOL
Oh this is really bad aright.
Brood of viper? Now thats really bad.
Show me where Christ called someone a scanc, Show me an example of Christ treating anyone like Carolemarie is treated here.
YOU CANT. Because all you that do it are ungodly people.
LMAO........as if you would not be the first booted. LMAO
You would be first on my list.
Life isnt always fair. And I stand with MC3 that free speech is important. There is nothing wrong with the way this forum is run.
Who is complaining about the abuse that post abortive women have been getting?
Not Carole, nor I complain.
I think its great...because it shows where peoples hearts are. And the Christians here who are name-calling and using horrible language....SHOW THEY ARE NOT WALKING IN THE LIGHT OF GODS WORD. And people need to see this. That not everyone that claims to know God, actually knows God. That there are people out there who will rape the Word in order to pump themselves up and make what they do seem the most important.
Its like a kindergarten playgroung in here. This is NOTHING LIKE THE PRO-LIFE WORK THAT GOES ON AROUND THE COUNTRY. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING LIKE IT.
We have people who brag and want constant pat on the backs for their efforts. "I do more than you......I do way more than you........You couldnt possible do as much as I do."
And who would be the moderators? How do they get picked?
It does not work......and everyone has a bias.
And what if Faithman or Lott volunteered? What if CaroleMarie or I volunteered?
WOULD NOT WORK.
Amen carole !!!!!!!!
If these guys were really Christians they would know that and celebrate with us.
Praise God in Heaven and thank you for your grace and mercy.
God changes hearts CArole we both know that......we must pray for those here who do not know Him.
No faithman, it is you with no faith. You have no right scripturally to judge anyones heart and you are trying to do that here.
You have no clue what is in anyones heart. In fact read the Word, you are not even given the right to judge your own heart.
Satan would love me to cry everyday and wallow in my own grief. You can do it, I am not and obvious carole is not either and that cleearly upsets you. No faithman you want revenge. We are doing what scripture tells us to do.
Try it.

reply from: carolemarie

You need to stop praying to devils and start weeping for the murder of your children. If you were a REAL person you would hold on to those babies for the rest of your life and into the next one.
?? You think i should go around crying about it? Why? Am I suppose to tell Jesus, I am sorry, your death on the cross just isn't enough for me, and the fact that my children live isn't enough for me either. I want to feel terrible forever and reject your peace and happiness.....
Dude! No way Jose!

reply from: Faramir

Mud slinging is not a legitimate expression of free speech, and there is nothing wrong with some basic rules of conduct, like many boards have. This forum is not "run."
Have you never been on a moderated board?
There would be basic rules, and then the moderators would enforce them.
Like it's not too hard and doesn't take much of a brain to see that calling someone a "scanc" is a personal attack, and that poster would be edited and warned, and if he continued being abusive would be booted.
Of course moderators would have to have a certain level of intelligence and maturity, so we would have to do some hard searching on this forum, but I think they might be here.
But the forum owner has spoken, and he is fine with post-abortive women being verbally molested and degraded on his own forum.
I heard that he was a good Christian man, but I have my doubts about that, as no man, Christian or otherwise, would allow women to be abused in his own "home."

reply from: ChristianLott2

?? You think i should go around crying about it?
If you can't defend the unborn babies, you need to do a little more crying.
You keep making excuses for their murder. Even the ones defending you think your excuses are murder. Stop lying to yourself!

reply from: ChristianLott2

And you need to remember them, not forget them. I remember mine every single day, sometimes all day. That doesn't make me a miserable person but it does make me honestly sorry!

reply from: Faramir

It's sad that a Christian pro-life man would excuse the verbal assaults against vulnerable post-abortive woman as "free speech."
Or have I missed something?
Is that what it means to be a "real man"?

reply from: micah

Faramir, leave the forum. This is a haven for pro-life nut jobs and for us pro-choicers who like to use them for our amusement purposes. I want either pro-choicer, or nut job. No in-betweeners like you, CarolMarie, and BossMomma.

reply from: 4given

You are really coming off as a petty attention whore. We understand you have issues. Really. I can see you are frustrated. What do you hope to resolve by the constant obsessive posting? You have made your point. Have you not?

reply from: scopia19822

"Life isnt always fair. And I stand with MC3 that free speech is important. There is nothing wrong with the way this forum is run."
No it isnt, but this isnt about "free speech" its about slander/libel which are not protected under the 1st amendment. Im not going to let the bullies run me off, but now others are going to have to think about whether they want to stay here or not. Personally maybe it would be better if Mark just shut the forum down all together. And for those faux Chrisitans spouting this stuff, they are committing mortal sin after mortal sin by bearing false witness against their neighbors. They would also benefit from reading and studying the ENTIRE book of Proverbs which speaks very clearly on the matter of this and other apsects of conduct.

reply from: Faramir

And I thought I was different than most of the posters here.
Actually, I'm not frustrated. I'm just doing what I perceive to be my duty.
I don't really know yet. What do faithman, yodavater, nancyu and "christian"lot resolve with theirs? I'm still a beginner at it.
But have no fear, this too shall pass, and the show featuring the above stars will once again resume:
"Abortion is illegal."
"You are a killer scanc."
"You said 'fetus' and that means you're a pro-abort."
"I hate everybody."
So you see, thougtful, compassionate, and brilliant posts like the above will once again resume, and my "faux-lifer" threads will sink lower and lower, and eventually find oblivion on page 2.
What is the point you think I made and is it valid or not?
And I am currently conducting an experiment with this thread, and it is still in process. Please don't do anything that would interfere with the data I'm collecting, which might skew my conclusions.

reply from: Faramir

I'm most definately not an "in-betweener" in my beliefs about abortion, which I think should be illegal. I oppose abortion in all cases, including rape and incest. I'm a Catholic, so that makes me a pro-life nut job, practically by definition. The only difference is that I don't think it's right to be cruel to the post-abortive, and I won't call you a "pro-abort," because that's just a selfish ego trip, and it doesn't help the babies.

reply from: scopia19822

"Faramir, leave the forum. This is a haven for pro-life nut jobs and for us pro-choicers who like to use them for our amusement purposes. I want either pro-choicer, or nut job. No in-betweeners like you, CarolMarie, and BossMomma."
Spoken like a typical troll.

reply from: scopia19822

"You are really coming off as a petty attention whore. We understand you have issues. Really. I can see you are frustrated. What do you hope to resolve by the constant obsessive posting? You have made your point. Have you not?"
Maybe Faramir is just so disgusted and frustrated that this slander/libel is being permitted to continue. Most forums have moderators. Its not about censoring peoples ideas, its about making sure things like this dont happen. What does the He Man Woman Haters club have to gain by their constant spam, scanc, and other vile disgusting things that come out of their mouths?The whole thing just disgusts me and a so called Christian forum owner thinks this is ok? Maybe its time to shut this fourm down as it has just become a venue for high tech lynchings? Does Mark work with Fr. Pavone? If so maybe Catholics should voice some protest for Priest For Life to dissassociate itself from Mark and Life Dynamics. What has been committed against CM, myself and others who are being slandered/libeled on that list are guilty of the sin of calumny. (CCC 2475-79)

reply from: speck

LMAO........as if you would not be the first booted. LMAO
You would be first on my list.
Life isnt always fair. And I stand with MC3 that free speech is important. There is nothing wrong with the way this forum is run.
Who is complaining about the abuse that post abortive women have been getting?
Not Carole, nor I complain.
I think its great...because it shows where peoples hearts are. And the Christians here who are name-calling and using horrible language....SHOW THEY ARE NOT WALKING IN THE LIGHT OF GODS WORD. And people need to see this. That not everyone that claims to know God, actually knows God. That there are people out there who will rape the Word in order to pump themselves up and make what they do seem the most important.
Its like a kindergarten playgroung in here. This is NOTHING LIKE THE PRO-LIFE WORK THAT GOES ON AROUND THE COUNTRY. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING LIKE IT.
We have people who brag and want constant pat on the backs for their efforts. "I do more than you......I do way more than you........You couldnt possible do as much as I do."
And who would be the moderators? How do they get picked?
It does not work......and everyone has a bias.
And what if Faithman or Lott volunteered? What if CaroleMarie or I volunteered?
WOULD NOT WORK.
Amen carole !!!!!!!!
If these guys were really Christians they would know that and celebrate with us.
Praise God in Heaven and thank you for your grace and mercy.
God changes hearts CArole we both know that......we must pray for those here who do not know Him.
No faithman, it is you with no faith. You have no right scripturally to judge anyones heart and you are trying to do that here.
You have no clue what is in anyones heart. In fact read the Word, you are not even given the right to judge your own heart.
Satan would love me to cry everyday and wallow in my own grief. You can do it, I am not and obvious carole is not either and that cleearly upsets you. No faithman you want revenge. We are doing what scripture tells us to do.
Try it.
I honestly thought, the day I agreed with ChurchMouse almost word for word, would be the day that is the end of the world as we know it. As far as my records showed, they have not implemented the mark as of yet?

reply from: faithman

2Cr 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
2Cr 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, [what] clearing of yourselves, yea, [what] indignation, yea, [what] fear, yea, [what] vehement desire, yea, [what] zeal, yea, [what] revenge! In all [things] ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter. Your posts are evidence that you have no Godly sorrow about killing your children. You come here bragging about your evil deeds, and then continue to justify the evil of killing children. That is proof that you have not cleared yourself from it. You brag about dressing like a street walker, and ignore the scriptural admonition to dress modestly. You have no Godly sorrow over your act of murder, you brag about it. You have not cleared yourself from child killing, and still aprove of it. You have no indignation about abortion, nor any vehement desire to see it end. The scripture very clearly shows that salvation it self is based upon Godly sorrow, which means reget and remorse. Now you come dangerously close to blaspheming the Holy Spirit, by saying these things of God are of Satan. You are an arrogant self willed mouth piece that speaks out against the personhood of womb children, and then expect us to believe you are pro-life? Slither back under your rock viper, we know who you are.

reply from: faithman

2Cr 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
2Cr 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, [what] clearing of yourselves, yea, [what] indignation, yea, [what] fear, yea, [what] vehement desire, yea, [what] zeal, yea, [what] revenge! In all [things] ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.

reply from: yoda

I feel compelled to point out that there is no need for you to get your big girl panties in a wad. Remember, you are free to leave at any time. With nothing more than a click of the mouse, you can put us out of your misery.
So stay if you want, or go. But either way, quit whining.

reply from: MC3

Faramir,
Regarding your implication that I have some sort of vendetta or at least, disregard, for post-abortive women, I can only surmise that you must be certifiably insane. My work in the pro-life movement has caused me to be in contact with literally thousands of such women and in virtually every case we have had good - and in many cases, warm - relationships. And even when that has not been the case, you will never find one single incident in which it can honestly be said that I treated these women in an unkind way because they have had abortions. NOT ONE! I will also point out that both of my female co-hosts on LifeTalk are post-abortive and I challenge you to run your sad little prejudices past them.
From what you say, it appears that you are staying here in some sort of quixotic effort to "reform" the forum. Well since that's not happening, I will again advise you to simply move on. Start your own forum, find one you like better, or just accept that forums may not be right for you. The reality is, you have made it clear that you cannot abide the way I have chosen to moderate, or not moderate, this forum, and I have made it clear that I am not going to change our policies. So why torture yourself? The mature thing for you to do is leave.
On the other hand, if your choice is to stay where you are neither happy nor welcomed, I must again ask that you please stop torturing the rest of us with your insipid whining.

reply from: faithman

Kinda reminds you of the pooch that bites the hand that feeds it huh? May haps we should call the pound. and the fact is that I have a very simular track record with the post abortive. I only have a problem with a phony pro-lifer who happens to be post abortive, not all women who have had one and truely regret it, and has real remorse over it. But bortheads and false lifers have a broad, general statement brush they like to use, to mask the evil they actually stand for.

reply from: ChristianLott2

2Cr 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
2Cr 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, [what] clearing of yourselves, yea, [what] indignation, yea, [what] fear, yea, [what] vehement desire, yea, [what] zeal, yea, [what] revenge! In all [things] ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
thanks fman.

reply from: churchmouse

I have been asked several times but turned it down. I am on to debate and discuss the issues and I do not believe that any moderator should join in and do that. It's a conflict of interest. They should not be buddies with anyone and in most cases they are, which often times reflect in the decisions they make.
I have been on sites for almost five years.....Beliefnet is the worst, they are extremely unfair especially if you are pro-life. Lets put it this way.....you or Faithman wouldnt last fifteen minutes.
I dont know of one site where there wasnt trouble with moderating fairly.
I would like to ask the Christian-in-name-only stone throwers.....a few questions.
How long should a post abortive woman suffer?
Should we be stoned? Tarred and feathered? Scarlet letter?
Should God forgive us?
And what does this scripture that Christ said mean to you?
"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
What does this one mean.
"If you do not forgive others, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses" (Matt. 6:15, NRSV
"Peter came to Jesus and asked, 'Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?' Jesus answered, 'I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times' " (Matt. 18:21-22)
Christ wants people to accept the forgiveness that he offers. We dont need to do some sort of penance, Gods forgiveness and Grace is enough.

Forgiveness does not mean that we pretend like nothing ever happened. I remember what I did. The truth never changes but like Carole said, "Am I suppose to tell Jesus, I am sorry, your death on the cross just isn't enough for me, and the fact that my children live isn't enough for me either. I want to feel terrible forever and reject your peace and happiness..... "
I realized my need for mercy, so I looked to God. He forgave me and washed my sin away. Every day I depend on his mercy. And I would think you would as well. YOU ARE A SINNER ARENT YOU?

What a paganistic view I tell ya. God help you.
WE DO NOT HAVE TO HOLD ON TO OUR BABIES.......GOD HAS THEM.
We have repented, and we do NOT HAVE TO ANSWER TO YOU FOR FORGIVENESS.
As I said you are an extremly pathetic and sad person. As I said you are in my prayers.
That was not a nice thing to say. Is it wrong to want to protect someone you think is being abused? I agree with Faramir that there are some here that are over the line with verbal abuse. You know that they are acting in unChristian ways, do you not agree? Why dont you call them on it, I finally did.
Attention whore? Pleaze.......look at who posts the most its not faramir.
I will not let them run me off either and I have never put anyone on ignore...... I rather like to see what the enemy is saying. I agree they need to read Proverbs....but I have a feeling they wont. The library is probably closed so they dont have access to a bible.
This takes the cake from Faithman.
And you Faithman do not act godly by saying what you did here. You are a hateful person. I once thought that you were an ok guy, that your passion was sincere. This is NOT ABOUT THE UNBORN FOR YOU. This is a game.
You use the issue of abortion so that you can have an easy platform to show hate towards those that do not agree with you 100%. I have watched you since I first joined and I was uneasy but kept my mouth shut......until I realized you are not a godly example for anyone to witness. It matters not what you say about the unborn.....who can get passed the filthy and degrading words you use to describe people....in this case Carole.
So add me to your list of those you hate because I will continue to call you on your unChristian behavior.
You are on my prayer list.

reply from: churchmouse

Just curious.... you just told us how you feel about Faramir........
What do you personally think of Faithman and others behavior towards Carole and post abortive woman like myself on this forum?
I know your passion Mark I have met you at the Right To Life Convention in Scottsdale Arizona. You gave me the book LIme5 which I have read three times at least....Your work is amazing and I live each day to read your blogs....amazing.
I have stated I am a free speech person......but I am curious that some here have gotten away with some pretty scary behavior. They are the ones that are derailing the site. IMO their rage is boderline threats.
Just wonder why they are not disciplined in some sort of way. Because I personally do not find Farmirs words as torturing as Faithmans are.
The thing that is sad is how Christ is being portrayed here by fake Christians.
Thats they thing that hurts me the most. They rape the Word.

reply from: faithman

Quack quack woddle woddle......

reply from: 4given

That was not a nice thing to say. Is it wrong to want to protect someone you think is being abused? I agree with Faramir that there are some here that are over the line with verbal abuse. You know that they are acting in unChristian ways, do you not agree? Why dont you call them on it, I finally did.
Attention whore? Pleaze.......look at who posts the most its not faramir.
You are right. That was impolite. I have stated both publicly and privately my opinion and opposition to the way CM is treated. It takes the focus off of the unborn and abortion and IMO causes further division and confusion. I refrained from posting in either of the threads until faramir edited the topic in an uncouth manner.

reply from: churchmouse

We are totally off the focus of what this thread is all about. People obviously are more interested in hating sinners who have repented and been forgiven.
And Faramir it is unexcuseable that you would title a thread with such hatred. Acting like this makes you no better than the rest. Change the name.
Cant you just once act in kindness to your sisters and brothers here. Can't we turn this thing around and glorify God? Cant we all do that?

reply from: yoda

Let's see, you were going to use martial arts on me and my camera, you were going to sue several posters, and now you're going to shut down this forum?
What kind of dream world do you live in, anyway?

reply from: yoda

Just can't resist, since this seems to apply to several "dissatisfied posters" here:
On the other hand, if your choice is to stay where you are neither happy nor welcomed, I must again ask that you please stop torturing the rest of us with your insipid whining.
Any you know who you are........

reply from: faithman

Let's see, you were going to use martial arts on me and my camera, you were going to sue several posters, and now you're going to shut down this forum?
What kind of dream world do you live in, anyway?
Better yet, why don't they just shut down their account and go away? Why take away a forum some like just fine? Who super glued their butts to a chair in front of a computer, taped their eyes open, and "forced" them to read anything that has been freely posted here? Pack your sh_t and git it you don't like it. May haps MC3 should post a warning. Killers and weenies beware, panty knot ahead.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

I agree with you 100%. It is disheartening to see people fighting about who is a "real" prolifer and who is "faux." We all want the same thing - an end to abortion in this country and in the world. Why engage in childish namecalling? This is not junior high school, folks. We are all adults here. We should act like adults and conduct ourselves with dignity and courtesy.
Some of you are guilty of continuously mocking and nagging and namecalling and singling out certain people for your hateful amusement. STOP IT!!!!!!!
Grow up, please. We are almost all on the same side, and any prochoicers who happen in on this forum must thing we are idiots. I, for one, think some of you truly are childish morons who need professional help for your anger and hate.
I commend those who remain civil and refuse to engage in the nastiness. God bless you!

reply from: RiverMoonLady

but maybe you can start a forum of your own and go there.
Maybe YOU should start your own forum and take your verbal assaults and childish insults elsewhere.

reply from: faithman

I agree with you 100%. It is disheartening to see people fighting about who is a "real" prolifer and who is "faux." We all want the same thing - an end to abortion in this country and in the world. Why engage in childish namecalling? This is not junior high school, folks. We are all adults here. We should act like adults and conduct ourselves with dignity and courtesy.
Some of you are guilty of continuously mocking and nagging and namecalling and singling out certain people for your hateful amusement. STOP IT!!!!!!!
Grow up, please. We are almost all on the same side, and any prochoicers who happen in on this forum must thing we are idiots. I, for one, think some of you truly are childish morons who need professional help for your anger and hate.
I commend those who remain civil and refuse to engage in the nastiness. God bless you!
Sniff sniff.... Then go away if you don't like it. To my knowlage, no one is forcing you to come here. If you don't have the stomach to confront pro-death scancs like CM, then go to a false pro-life forum that coddles killers insted of confronting them. I openly condemn those who remain "civil" about the uncivil act of child slaughter. Take you koom ba ya kiester elsewhere. Some of us are actually set to defend the womb child, not play footcy with their killers. Make up your mind. You are either in or out.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Move on and forget the womb child. You're not a defender of them or young girls, you are not even a person.
That's pretty funny, coming from someone who is "pro-personhood."
I think you are just a punk and a bully. You really need professional help to deal with your anger and resentment.

reply from: faithman

Move on and forget the womb child. You're not a defender of them or young girls, you are not even a person.
That's pretty funny, coming from someone who is "pro-personhood."
I think you are just a punk and a bully. You really need professional help to deal with your anger and resentment.
OK then, you are out. No run along and go play with the death scancs. We manage our anger for womb child killing just fine. We don't need weenie help with it.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Maybe YOU should start your own forum and take your verbal assaults and childish insults elsewhere.
nah, I'm not the one being a cry baby.
somebody hurt my feewings!
'verbal assault'? of course it is. Like you didn't just attack me, hypocrite.

reply from: 4given

Is that so? Judging from the thread title and summary, I am not quite sure it is focused on repentance or forgiveness. The "hate" part maybe.

reply from: ChristianLott2

That's pretty funny, coming from someone who is "pro-personhood."
It's not funny, it's sad.
I think you're a punk and bully too. You should be locked up with your murder squad of pro abort defenders. Stop being angry at me and resenting me.

reply from: faithman

Psa 139:20 For they speak against thee wickedly, [and] thine enemies take [thy name] in vain.
Psa 139:21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
Psa 139:22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
Is that so? Judging from the thread title and summary, I am not quite sure it is focused on repentance or forgiveness. The "hate" part maybe.
Psa 139:20 For they speak against thee wickedly, [and] thine enemies take [thy name] in vain.
Psa 139:21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
Psa 139:22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

reply from: 4given

Does that mean you are going to offer that long overdue apology to Lukesmom for the manner in which you spoke to her? What about your less than courteous and dishonest accusations?

reply from: faithman

Does that mean you are going to offer that long overdue apology to Lukesmom for the manner in which you spoke to her? What about your less than courteous and dishonest accusations?
But you must understand, they are beyond reproach. They can hate us all they want . But we just better understand that we need to go to woosie land and drink deep from the bunch bowl. And you need to rip this scripture from your bible.Psa 139:20 For they speak against thee wickedly, [and] thine enemies take [thy name] in vain.
Psa 139:21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
Psa 139:22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Actually, this forum might be very interesting and helpful if Faithman, ChristianLott and a few others simply left. Let's all just put them on ignore.
Faithman is especially annoying because of the way he is unable to use quotes from posts and simply quotes LONG LONG LONG multiple posts. Too stupid to use cut and paste, Faithman?
ChristianLott, you are truly idiotic. Some of the people on your silly "faux lifer" list are VERY STRONGLY prolife and are actually DOING SOMETHING to help women in need. You simply whine and sling insults at undeserving people.
Get a life, Dude. You need one.

reply from: faithman

Psa 139:20 For they speak against thee wickedly, [and] thine enemies take [thy name] in vain.
Psa 139:21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
Psa 139:22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Does that mean you are going to offer that long overdue apology to Lukesmom for the manner in which you spoke to her? What about your less than courteous and dishonest accusations?
I have been in contact with Lukesmom and several other people via private messages and all apologies were made long ago. I don't need to do that in public. Actually I have become friendly with several of the ladies here, so go mind your own business.

reply from: faithman

Psa 139:20 For they speak against thee wickedly, [and] thine enemies take [thy name] in vain.
Psa 139:21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
Psa 139:22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

reply from: 4given

Your rude allegations were stated publicly. It is only right that you retract your statements or apologize publicly as well. How Sue is treated my business. I find that statement to be laughable given the advice you are handing out in this thread. Perhaps you shall do the same?

reply from: faithman

Your rude allegations were stated publicly. It is only right that you retract your statements or apologize publicly as well. How Sue is treated my business. I find that statement to be laughable given the advice you are handing out in this thread. Perhaps you shall do the same?
Snicker snicker.... love them catcha moments.....snicker...

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Your rude allegations were stated publicly. It is only right that you retract your statements or apologize publicly as well. How Sue is treated my business. I find that statement to be laughable given the advice you are handing out in this thread. Perhaps you shall do the same?
No, I believe that private apologies are appropriate. There was a lot I had to say to various people and it truly was not anyone else's business. A public apology is not needed, as I have discussed my behavior and apologized for it with each and every individual who I felt I had been rude to.
You're pretty nosy, aren't you? Go play your busybody games with someone else.

reply from: 4given

No. I don't play games either. I am naturally protective of those I respect. You don't like that I called you out on your hypocritical post about courtesy etc. I get that. Again you said:
So it is okay to be discourteous publicly as long as you privately apologize?

reply from: yoda

How do you think he keeps reposting the same message? You actually think he types it everytime? YOU calling someone "stupid"?

reply from: yoda

Then why don't you AND Weenie both leave, as Mark suggested?

reply from: scopia19822

"So it is okay to be discourteous publicly as long as you privately apologize? "
As long as she has apologized whether it be public or private doesnt matter. Either is suffiecent if the apology is accepted by the offending party.

reply from: churchmouse

Faithman said," Pack your sh_t and git it you don't like it. May haps MC3 should post a warning. Killers and weenies beware, panty knot ahead.'
You know my friend you are just sad. God help you. What a potty mouth you have for someone that loves God.
I pray they take your advice. But I dissagree about one thing....we are not all on the same page. Some think namecalling and abusive words are just the thing that some people need. The abuse that Carole has recieved is uncalled for. The namecalling, the overuse of the word scanc is .....its.....I cant even say it. And people should call him on it.
You defend satan because you do not stand on godly principles.
You think you can tell RiverMoon that she is in or out? LMAO
Honey if we had a poll on this site and took a vote....I know without a doubt who would be voted out. And it aint Rivermoon. LOL
I agree with River.....you need help.
Well you are right. I meant the entire PROLIFE site.
Faithman address the scriptures I gave if you have the guts. If you dont I assume you are running from them because of only one reason, you know you are wrong.
I know many of us have said things we wish we could take back. I know when I was in a war with vexing....it got pretty ugly and I wish I could apologize for many things I said in haste. I wish I had acted with much more kindness even though I thought he was disturbed person. I might not have called names but many times my words imply something else. I did nothing to glorify God in my interactions with vexing.
And River.....I think you have a great idea. These people thrive on attention and hate. I have never put anyone on ignore....but I am going to think about it. If we all did that.....discussions might get back on track. Good idea. If anyone is going to do it let me know, I will follow along.
River I remember our fights,, GOOD GRIEF......on here and Beliefnet. I am so glad that we can get along and agree to dissagree. Thanks for taking that first step. It really changed my attitude on here. Isnt it amazing that one act of kindness can change the whole picture. And it was your act that changed my thinking. Thank you.
4given said,
Many of us have changed 4given. If River said she made ammends to LUkesMom then why shouldnt that be enough? Lets forgive and move on. Lets hold no grudges. At one time or another we all have been rude. I to have gone to people and apologized. Why shouldnt that be enough?
Please forgive and forget. No more divisions.

reply from: ChristianLott2

of course, then it'd be called Faux Life America ForUM, with a capital UM.
Are you too stupid to realize he IS using cut and paste? rofl
Way to go moron!
Prove it. You can't, so shut up and stop lying. The laws have not changed in 35 years.
Yet I am deserving of insults. I see. Go play with yourself and murderer friends.
yeah dude, ur like, so cewl.

reply from: faithman

How do you think he keeps reposting the same message? You actually think he types it everytime? YOU calling someone "stupid"?
You mean I don't have to type it everytime? OH MAN!!!!!!

reply from: ChristianLott2

yeah, it's this secret shortcut that nobody knows except rml. like the shortcut of being a pro abort one week, then claiming to be 'pro life' the next.. with exceptions of course.

reply from: godless

CL2 and FM. You should come on over to the choice side. Your side does not apreciate good fighters. Why waist your back bones on those who do not really care about your cause? Anti abortion is defeated anyway. You may as well join the winning side and save face. Why take the abuse? You can see that they don't care about you guys.

reply from: nancyu

Certain women, yes. All women, no.
And don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.
We'll miss you terribly!
Remember....
Don't hesitate to be a straaaangeeeerrr!!

reply from: yoda

All baby killers say that.

reply from: 4given

Don't you mean offended party? Anyway, you are right. The nasty posts to lukesmom were fresh in my memory, as they happened days ago. I suppose I should have said that discourteous posts are okay as long as it is her being disrespectful, right? I am pleased to read that ammends was made. I will always defend a friend.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

That's not what being pro-life is about, despite what these morons on here display. People like Faramir and Carole actually care about women and children, and don't feel it's right for a woman to be in a position where she feels abortion is her only choice. Just because you're winning doesn't make you right. And just because there are certain people on here who are close-minded doesn't mean we should give up. We are even more important to the movement than ever before; it is us who will convince women to keep their pregnancies, it is us who can actually engage in conversations with pro-choicers on a civil level and find common ground.

reply from: faithman

That's not what being pro-life is about, despite what these morons on here display. People like Faramir and Carole actually care about women and children, and don't feel it's right for a woman to be in a position where she feels abortion is her only choice. Just because you're winning doesn't make you right. And just because there are certain people on here who are close-minded doesn't mean we should give up. We are even more important to the movement than ever before; it is us who will convince women to keep their pregnancies, it is us who can actually engage in conversations with pro-choicers on a civil level and find common ground.
Oh the great savior has spoken!!! And just How long ago you were saying free gratice to kill womb children? You are only important to yourself like always. You can engage in choice speak because you are one.

reply from: faithman

Take a hike killer. And while you are at it, take the phonies with you.

reply from: lukesmom

Does that mean you are going to offer that long overdue apology to Lukesmom for the manner in which you spoke to her? What about your less than courteous and dishonest accusations?
I have been in contact with Lukesmom and several other people via private messages and all apologies were made long ago. I don't need to do that in public. Actually I have become friendly with several of the ladies here, so go mind your own business.
Ummm, RML, I beg to differ. I don't know why you attacked me and lied about me but whatever. I would be more than willing to forgive and forget IF you asked. Funny thing though, you have not PMed me since your attack, in fact, I haven't talked to you in months. Now you are attacking 4given AND lecturing others here about how they attack?
YOU are the last here to lecture anyone. Plus 4given can mind MY business anytime.

reply from: lukesmom

Your rude allegations were stated publicly. It is only right that you retract your statements or apologize publicly as well. How Sue is treated my business. I find that statement to be laughable given the advice you are handing out in this thread. Perhaps you shall do the same?
No, I believe that private apologies are appropriate. There was a lot I had to say to various people and it truly was not anyone else's business. A public apology is not needed, as I have discussed my behavior and apologized for it with each and every individual who I felt I had been rude to.
You're pretty nosy, aren't you? Go play your busybody games with someone else.
Well that would be all well and good if you weren't lying. YOU never have apologied by PM or otherwise. YOU are not only nosy but also have all your facts completely wrong. Who HAVE you been having your cozy little PM chats with? Hmmm the ignorant, nasty Spinny or maybe the selfish, only cares for herself Rosy? I thought you where classier than that.

reply from: lukesmom

Problem is: she hasn't PMed me in months and certainly not since she attacked me with her lies. One lie seems to have lead to many, many more.

reply from: Faramir

You could have fooled me. You defend the right of your friends on this forum to use postabortive prolife women as personal punching bags. They are degraded regularly and treated disgracefully. You could stop that, but you don't
I'm happy to know in real life you are kind to the post-abortive, but why do you allow them to be abused here on your forum?
I have made plenty of non-"quixotic" posts. My ONLY issue concerning "reform" has been the disgraceful treatment of the post-abortive. I have not complained about the personal attacks and name-calling against myself.
I had heard that you are a nice and reasonable man, and thought therefore you must not be aware of the horrible things going on here, or you would have put a stopt to it, which is why I tried to get your attention--to make you aware that a few prolifers who dominate this board are abusive to post abortive women. I thought you might want to know that, and I thought if you did know that, you would care about it.
Silly me.
But what is happening here is wrong. Do you not feel the slightest embarrassment and disgust that on your own forum a post-abortive woman who has saved many babies from abortion has been called a "WHORE", besides being reminded ten times a day she is a "murderer" and "the killer of three"? What kind of person are you to let a woman be so abused by one of your buddies here? It's good that you don't personally abuse the post-abortive, but it's wrong for you to look the other way when your friends do it.
Who said I wanted to leave and cannot abide? I'm just voicing my opinion in your free-for-all forum. If my posts are inane and disruptive--and I don't think they are--but if they are--then they're not much different than many of the other posts by other posters here. Why do you invite only ME to "do the mature thing"? (Unless of course you think it is mature that the dominant pro-lifers on this forum taunt the post-abortive with nasty names in their signature lines, such as calling one of them "killermarie").
At any rate, what I have been addressing is relevant to the debate. The post-abortive and how they are treated is an improtant issue, especially since the post-abortive are often doing much to make up for their mistakes, by going out and saving babies, like our favorite punching bag on this forum does, and it would be kinda nice to encourage that work, instead of thanking them by calling them "whores" and "killers."
I think there are some here who are not "tortured" at all, and are in agreement with me, and are more tortured by the hateful "scanc" and "killer" comments, that you seem to think are a good use of "free speech." What would you rather have--a dollar for every time I "whined" or a dollar for every time the word "scanc" was posted? (Hint--choose the latter and not the former. You'll be RICH).
And call it "whining" all you like, sir. I'm not complaining about a petty issue. I'm complaining about an injustice that you could stop, and that REFLECTS POORLY ON PROLIFERS AND CHRISTIANS IN GENERAL. Since I am a prolifer in general, I hate that this rotten behavior reflects on me, and puts me and my beliefs in the same camp as those of the hateful kooks, just like I hate when fellow Catholics preach abortion rights, because they reflect badly on Catholics, and I most definatley will "whine" about that and to them, whenever I have the opportunity.
There is the appearence that you know your friends enjoy beating on carolemarie and others, and you don't want to spoil their fun.
I understand that in complaining about this it makes me a "whiner," but maybe some day I can grow up into a big strong man who kicks the crap out of vulnerable post-abortive women, like your buddies do on this forum, many many times a day.

reply from: SRUW4I5

They might have other reasons for attacking them that have nothing to do with the fact they've had abortions? I've posted about two abortions I had without getting attacked for it, and I know faithman read atleast part of one of the topics it was in. The people that attack women that have had abortions also attack women and men that haven't. I think it's good that they'll treat people equally with that.
Sometimes it's better to accept defeat and move on....

reply from: Faramir

They might have other reasons for attacking them that have nothing to do with the fact they've had abortions? I've posted about two abortions I had without getting attacked for it, and I know faithman read atleast part of one of the topics it was in. The people that attack women that have had abortions also attack women and men that haven't. I think it's good that they'll treat people equally with that.
Sometimes it's better to accept defeat and move on....
Just try getting a little uppity, or stray away from what is politically correct, and you too will be called a "killer."
But darn, my brilliant last post is now on another page, and I'd be too embarrassed to repost it.
How about YOU quote it? (In its entirety of course).
What the heck, I'll repost it. I have no shame.

reply from: Faramir

You could have fooled me, and I could only be "certifiably insane" if I had sufficient knowledge of what you actually do. All I know about you is what is reflected on your board. You defend the right of your friends on this forum to use postabortive prolife women as personal punching bags. They are degraded regularly and treated disgracefully. You could stop that, but you don't
I'm happy to know in real life you are kind to the post-abortive, but why do you allow them to be abused here on your forum?
I have made plenty of non-"quixotic" posts. My ONLY issue concerning "reform" has been the disgraceful treatment of the post-abortive. I have not complained about the personal attacks and name-calling against myself.
I had heard that you are a nice and reasonable man, and thought therefore you must not be aware of the horrible things going on here, or you would have put a stopt to it, which is why I tried to get your attention--to make you aware that a few prolifers who dominate this board are abusive to post abortive women. I thought you might want to know that, and I thought if you did know that, you would care about it.
Silly me.
But what is happening here is wrong. Do you not feel the slightest embarrassment and disgust that on your own forum a post-abortive woman who has saved many babies from abortion has been called a "WHORE", besides being reminded ten times a day she is a "murderer" and "the killer of three"? What kind of person are you to let a woman be so abused by one of your buddies here? It's good that you don't personally abuse the post-abortive, but it's wrong for you to look the other way when your friends do it.
Who said I wanted to leave and cannot abide? I'm just voicing my opinion in your free-for-all forum. If my posts are inane and disruptive--and I don't think they are--but if they are--then they're not much different than many of the other posts by other posters here. Why do you invite only ME to "do the mature thing"? (Unless of course you think it is mature that the dominant pro-lifers on this forum taunt the post-abortive with nasty names in their signature lines, such as calling one of them "killermarie").
At any rate, what I have been addressing is relevant to the debate. The post-abortive and how they are treated is an improtant issue, especially since the post-abortive are often doing much to make up for their mistakes, by going out and saving babies, like our favorite punching bag on this forum does, and it would be kinda nice to encourage that work, instead of thanking them by calling them "whores" and "killers."
I think there are some here who are not "tortured" at all, and are in agreement with me, and are more tortured by the hateful "scanc" and "killer" comments, that you seem to think are a good use of "free speech." What would you rather have--a dollar for every time I "whined" or a dollar for every time the word "scanc" was posted? (Hint--choose the latter and not the former. You'll be RICH).
And call it "whining" all you like, sir. I'm not complaining about a petty issue. I'm complaining about an injustice that you could stop, and that REFLECTS POORLY ON PROLIFERS AND CHRISTIANS IN GENERAL. Since I am a prolifer in general, I hate that this rotten behavior reflects on me, and puts me and my beliefs in the same camp as those of the hateful kooks, just like I hate when fellow Catholics preach abortion rights, because they reflect badly on Catholics, and I most definatley will "whine" about that and to them, whenever I have the opportunity.
There is the appearence that you know your friends enjoy beating on carolemarie and others, and you don't want to spoil their fun.
I understand that in complaining about this it makes me a "whiner," but maybe some day I can grow up into a big strong man who kicks the crap out of vulnerable post-abortive women, like your buddies do on this forum, many many times a day.

reply from: SRUW4I5

I've been called other things, it's good entertainment.
I really doubt they call people a killer just for the sake of calling them a killer...
So, what do you have against putting everyone that says things you don't like regularly on ignore? You wouldn't have to see what they say anymore.

reply from: Faramir

I've been called other things, it's good entertainment.
I really doubt they call people a killer just for the sake of calling them a killer...
So, what do you have against putting everyone that says things you don't like regularly on ignore? You wouldn't have to see what they say anymore.
This forum is read by others, and is an example of pro-lifers and the pro-life movement. Wouldn't it be better if it were a GOOD example?
I think you have missed my point entirely. It's not about what I don't like. It's about speaking up against bullies and about making it know to lurkers and those who happen upon this site to not judge pro-lifers by the few who are entrenched here and who dominate. They are not the face of the pro-life cause.

reply from: lycan

That's not what being pro-life is about, despite what these morons on here display. People like Faramir and Carole actually care about women and children, and don't feel it's right for a woman to be in a position where she feels abortion is her only choice. Just because you're winning doesn't make you right. And just because there are certain people on here who are close-minded doesn't mean we should give up. We are even more important to the movement than ever before; it is us who will convince women to keep their pregnancies, it is us who can actually engage in conversations with pro-choicers on a civil level and find common ground.
I'm a man who has absolutely no say over what happens to any children he might father. From what I've been reading in this forum CaroleMarie has saved hundreds of fathers from the grief of knowing their children were aborted without their having any say in the matter.

reply from: SRUW4I5

It's hard to find people on either side of the issue that make their side look good. Abortion is a very emotional thing for a lot of people. When emotions are involved people don't always use their best sense of judgement.
If you can't see the attacks, you can't be sure they are still happening. I know other people will still see the attacks (if they continue) but people know there are people that do and say mean things on both sides of it.

reply from: faithman

I've been called other things, it's good entertainment.
I really doubt they call people a killer just for the sake of calling them a killer...
So, what do you have against putting everyone that says things you don't like regularly on ignore? You wouldn't have to see what they say anymore.
This forum is read by others, and is an example of pro-lifers and the pro-life movement. Wouldn't it be better if it were a GOOD example?
I think you have missed my point entirely. It's not about what I don't like. It's about speaking up against bullies and about making it know to lurkers and those who happen upon this site to not judge pro-lifers by the few who are entrenched here and who dominate. They are not the face of the pro-life cause.
So speak out about the one who bullied three to death. speak out about your own bullying trying to get people to do it all your way and having them cencored if they don't. Try speaking up for the real victim here, the womb child. You are a lying idiot. and your post are full of twisted half truths and out and out lies. No one is stopping you from spewing your lies, so why don't you quit persicuting those who tell the truth? No one here is speaking out against the post abortive in general like you imply. We are confronting one person who makes blatant pro-death statements who hides behind being post abortive. I don't give a damn what you think, or anybody else. I want the killing to stop, and the killers brought to justice. You are the slanderer not me.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

That's not what being pro-life is about, despite what these morons on here display. People like Faramir and Carole actually care about women and children, and don't feel it's right for a woman to be in a position where she feels abortion is her only choice. Just because you're winning doesn't make you right. And just because there are certain people on here who are close-minded doesn't mean we should give up. We are even more important to the movement than ever before; it is us who will convince women to keep their pregnancies, it is us who can actually engage in conversations with pro-choicers on a civil level and find common ground.
I'm a man who has absolutely no say over what happens to any children he might father. From what I've been reading in this forum CaroleMarie has saved hundreds of fathers from the grief of knowing their children were aborted without their having any say in the matter.
She did indeed. Her work is very good and influential.

reply from: faithman

That's not what being pro-life is about, despite what these morons on here display. People like Faramir and Carole actually care about women and children, and don't feel it's right for a woman to be in a position where she feels abortion is her only choice. Just because you're winning doesn't make you right. And just because there are certain people on here who are close-minded doesn't mean we should give up. We are even more important to the movement than ever before; it is us who will convince women to keep their pregnancies, it is us who can actually engage in conversations with pro-choicers on a civil level and find common ground.
I'm a man who has absolutely no say over what happens to any children he might father. From what I've been reading in this forum CaroleMarie has saved hundreds of fathers from the grief of knowing their children were aborted without their having any say in the matter.
She did indeed. Her work is very good and influential.
And was influential by her own admission because of the "I AM A PERSON" cards. Now the death scanc has promised to fight what the card stands for despite it's effectivness in stopping the slaughter. The rabid baby killer biting the hand that fed it!!!http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg

reply from: yoda

Weenie is a Legend in His Own Mind.

reply from: Banned Member

No one is afforded, is guaranteed, or should expect that they may either recieve or demand justice in a free speech internet forum. Compassion is a virtue, not an entitlement.

reply from: faithman

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reply from: yoda

Which is kind of an oxymoron, really.... nothing is really "free" on the internet. It cost money to put thing on it, and it cost money to see them, and each website is owned by someone who has 100% control over it's content.
Weenie is whining with the permission, if not the admiration, of the owner of this forum. But he probably thinks it's his "excellent posts" that give him permission....

reply from: churchmouse

Why Faithman are you jealous of caroles success ????????????????
Can you ever just once talk about something other than your cards?
Like I said.....been to conferences all over the country, events in two states....never heve seen your cards.
Why do you always make every situation out to just be about you?

reply from: yoda

He posts about the cards, not about himself, like Weenie does.
His cards do not have a photo of himself, or even his name on them. If you had ever seen one, you'd know that it has a photo of a 7 week old embryo on it, with the words "I AM A PERSON" at the top and bottom. And they are quite effective.
You'd do well to copy his tactics, instead of attacking him.
Where's all that "LOVE" you were talking about?

reply from: churchmouse

You certainly have changed yoda.
I am sure they are. He just seems so puffed up over them. Like nothing can compare. Our RTL chapter made a CD with pictures and testimonies on them. We give them out free.
I think the cards are a good idea....but he is so conceited about them. Just because you love someone does not mean you cant question motives and actions.
Its because you love someone that you do it.

reply from: yoda

I think it means you give them the benefit of the doubt.
And I think you are confusing passion with conceit. We could use a lot more passion in this war, and a lot less apathy.
Only people who are apathetic about the abortion war can stand back and remain perfectly calm and cool about the 4,000 babies dying every day. I have no respect for a "prolifer" who is calm, cool, and dispassionate.

reply from: faithman

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reply from: faithman

You certainly have changed yoda.
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I am sure they are. He just seems so puffed up over them. Like nothing can compare. Our RTL chapter made a CD with pictures and testimonies on them. We give them out free.
I think the cards are a good idea....but he is so conceited about them. Just because you love someone does not mean you cant question motives and actions.
Its because you love someone that you do it.

reply from: 4given

I can not imagine how anyone- especially an active prolifer, would have anything negative at all to say about them. How many people have you blessed with them? We are fortunate that you gave them to us. When I came here I had yet to be active at all. In fact I did not even know where to begin. Nothing was happening in my state and the prolifers I knew failed to do anything themselves- even share their views or educate themselves on abortion. The cards inspired us to take action- my household, some in my community and other lukewarm lifers I knew. They are appropriate everywhere, as I have stated before. You have never once asked to be reimbursed for any of the money you have spent on materials for my entire community. One does not have to approve of your tactics here or behavior to acknowledge the effectiveness in use of the IAAP cards.

reply from: Faramir

So let the bullies and the abusive dominate a forum?
That's ridiculous and it's so easily prevented.
But I made my case to Mr. Crutcher. I misjudged him and what he would think about goes on here, so I can't say much more, but would hope others don't turn a blind eye to it and would speak up.
But your last sentence is not logical. GIVING compassion is an OBLIGATION, if you're a Christian or a person of goodwill. No one can demand to RECEIVE it, so it's not an entitlement. But standing up against bullies and telling them to stop abusing others is the just thing to do, and justice demands that you and I do not turn a blind eye to it.

reply from: scopia19822

Im glad that FMAN uses these cards, those are the type of pics that we need to be showing the public to emphasize the humanity of the unborn. Better these cards than the abortion pics.

reply from: Teresa18

For those attacking CM, can you not debate your differences with her without attacking her with her past sin? She shared it to explain why she came to God and her pro-life position. Now she helps women choose life outside the abortuary. There may be areas in which you disagree with her, but don't personally attack her with the sins she has repented to Christ for. God is judge, not us. Discuss the areas in which you disagree with her in a civil manner. Even when people are nasty to her, Carole always maintains a kind and civil tone in her posts. People are much more likely to respond to a civil discussion than "yelling" and personal attacks.
Mark, this is a great forum you have, and it's one of my favorite on the net. I commend you for allowing free speech, but don't you think there is a difference in voicing an opinion and harrassment and personal attacks? Don't you want posters, especially pro-life posters, to be able to post in peace? I additionally worry that those reading this board who have had abortions or are considering abortion or their position may be turned off by the treatment towards Carole. It would be pretty easy to just ask posters to refrain from calling her "killer" and "scank". You wouldn't need heavy moderation.

reply from: faithman

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reply from: faithman

I can not imagine how anyone- especially an active prolifer, would have anything negative at all to say about them. How many people have you blessed with them? We are fortunate that you gave them to us. When I came here I had yet to be active at all. In fact I did not even know where to begin. Nothing was happening in my state and the prolifers I knew failed to do anything themselves- even share their views or educate themselves on abortion. The cards inspired us to take action- my household, some in my community and other lukewarm lifers I knew. They are appropriate everywhere, as I have stated before. You have never once asked to be reimbursed for any of the money you have spent on materials for my entire community. One does not have to approve of your tactics here or behavior to acknowledge the effectiveness in use of the IAAP cards.
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reply from: Rosalie

My fiancé is a man and he doesn't understand the raging lunatic or his abusive tendencies. In fact he considers them disgusting.
A little off topic but since you bring religion up... Do you prefer your God and his love over the love of the people in your life who love you unconditionally? Do you love God more than your kids? (Or if you don't have kids, do you think you will love them more than God or less?)
Why is Faramir's 'spam' not okay and Faithman and Augustine's spam is? Because these two are your alter-egos/fellow bullies? Is that all one needs to be in order to be allowed to spam?
Every good man who has a good quality relationship with his partner/wife has some kind of say. You don't call the shots, ever, but in functioning relationships the man and the woman actually discuss things like having children beforehand and/or at least when it happens.
If that's not your case, you're doing it wrong.

reply from: Rosalie

I'm always amused when you say stuff like that. Keep going, you'ree getting more and more ludicrous every single time you post an idiocy like this.
I'm proud to be what the likes of you consider selfish.

reply from: yoda

No, we're fighting to keep you from taking over here, but it's quite a struggle.
We're doing just that. We're standing up to those who would bully and abuse innocent unborn children, like those conceived in rape or conceived by a very young girl who is physically capable of bearing them.
YOU, on the other hand, seem perfectly satisfied to let them be killed.

reply from: yoda

Not always, but most of the time she switches into her "Faramir" personality to make her personal attacks. Do you not notice? Do you not object to Faramir's attacks?
Have you not noticed that no other woman is "attacked" because they admit that they have had abortions? Many women who post here have admitted to having them, but only she raises such animosity. It's got little to do with past abortions, it's more about her present attitude towards "exceptions" like babies of rape, and babies of very young girls, support of proabort candidates, etc. It's about her "I can be prolife and still talk like a proabort if I want to" attitude.

reply from: Faramir

Yay, I wish I could have said it so well, but it's exactly what I've been thinking and trying to say, and I don't perceive these comments to be whining in the slightest--so I hope she will be spared the "undies in a knot" rebuttal.

reply from: Faramir

Then disagree with her. But that doesn't mean because she's wrong about rape and incest cases you have a license to call her "killermarie" and rub her nose in her past abortions.
And there have been others who have been treated cruelly--maybe in a little more subtle way--but Chuchmouse and Scopia have been given a hard time about their abortions too.

reply from: yoda

So you see folks, Faramir has appointed himself the "policeman" of this forum which he does not own, and whose actual owner has suggested several times that he leave.
He has made it his goal to turn this forum into what HE wants it to be, not what the owner wants it to be.
Isn't that just ducky? In business circles, that might be called an "attempted hostile takeover", I think.....

reply from: yoda

I would caution you that the figures you are referring to are from Weenie, and in no way confirmed. We are simply asked to take Weenie's word for that.

reply from: yoda

I do, quite often.
I can't reach her or anyone else to "rub their noses" in anything. Like a lot of other dishonest people, you make general allegations without any specific documentation what so ever. You just love to stereotype people with your broad brush, don't you?

reply from: ChristianLott2

This is why people like Teresa18 are still on the faux lifer list.

reply from: Banned Member

I have been banned outright without even the courtesy of first being bullied and abused. Sorry, my heart doesn't bleed for you. I have taken my abuse here from time to time. I don't demand justice or restitution.

reply from: Banned Member

You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

reply from: 4given

It should be that way for the prolife community as a whole.

reply from: churchmouse

yoda said
So should you shout profanities at those we dissagree with? Do you advocate violence yoda?
Gee lately you and Faithman seem like you would get pretty violent if push came to shove.
I dont call you on your behavior as much as Faithman because he claims to be a Christian. HIS BEHAVIOR IS UNGODLY. He spews so much hatred at Carole that you totally lose site of what passion you say he has. I used to really admire him, seriously. He loses site of God and God comes before the unborn.
And when he posts anything.....he always includes his cards as a measure against what carole does. They might be an excellent tool and I think they would be.....but he throws what he does in caroles face and demean what she does. Is that really fair?
I dont question his passion I question how he acts on this board. He is a Christian and as a Christian he should never lose site of God and doing what He commands above what he wants to do. He does not act godly here. I cant believe that you also a Christian cant see that. No one deserves wrath on here like he shoves at carole. And I question any Christian that would not also call him on it.
I am glad as well. But I have to dissagree because I believe abortion pics have their place and time. If I am at a college and I get some strong pro-choice people who dont know what they are talking about, and I show them the pics (which we have in a notebook in the back) most freak out. They cant believe it and leave stunned. They really speak volumes. Holocaust pictures tell a story too. They show the reality of what happened with Hitler and abortion pictures do the same thinng.
Abortion pictures show what abortion is and people need to see it especially when they think its nothing.
I had this father once bring his two kids over to our booth at the Arizona State Fair. He said I am pro-choice but I want my kids to see both sides of this issue...so go at it. We talked for over one hour and the father left pro-life. You know why? I asked him if he had ever seen abortion pictures. He said no that it would be ok to show them. I did and he couldnt talk. He literally could not talk. His kids were not as shocked but he was. He left a different man.
As we said Faithman your passion is real, your work is good.....but you do not act in a godly way and that hurts at least me when you know someone is supposed to love God and do what He says. TAKE YOUR FOCUS OFF THE UNBORN AND PUT GOD FIRST. THEN YOUR FOCUS WILL BE BLESSED AND EVEN STRONGER. Dont you want to please God and honor Him?
God would not treat CArole this way, whether she is right or wrong. You can not judge her heart and you try to do just that. I give you scriptures and you never address them. Why?
I think you know you are wrong but are to proud to admit it. I dont know why....we all have admitted errors we have made.
Why cant you give God the glory He deserves. All this is for Him isnt it? He would want you to stand up to the enemy.........but HE COMMANDS YOU TO DO IT IN LOVE. That is what you do not do.

reply from: Faramir

If his work were soley through this board, he would accomplish nothing, except possibly drive some undecideds into becoming prochoice. He shoots himself in the foot 100 times a day on this forum.

reply from: churchmouse

Well first off following Christ isnt a religion its a relationship.
I put God first. He is the center of my heart and my life. He comes before my husband, my children, my parents, my dogs, my cats. My husband is my number one human relationship.

God gave me life and He is my creator. No one loves me as much as He does. He knows how many hairs are on my head, can you imagine that?
No one has done for me what Christ did.
While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
- Romans 5:8
He died for me. I didnt deserve to be saved. I was a murderer. I did not have to earn Gods love......He gave it to me freely.
I believe Gods love is very different than how we love. We seem to love conditionally. We base it on feelings and emotions. God loves us because HE IS LOVE. And the reason He created us was to have a relationship with HIM.
He sent Christ to die for us, to make it possible to have a relationship with HIM.
Why should I not love Him the most?
Who here do you think would abuse unborn children? Gosh yoda.....you have gotten so mean. REally I am shocked you are acting like this.
You cut so many people short on here and that is sad.
yoda I am gonna call you on this one

You are lying here. Carole keeps her composure and you know it. I have never seen her stoop to the level you now are at and that Faithman is at. NEVER.
She holds it together...... Like I said the two of you in person might be scary.
yoda said,
So you personally with Faithman have waged a war on her because of her views. And you do it with every post, slamming swearing at her, calling her names.
You guys are the pathetic ones. Its sad how you are so obsessed with her. AND OBSESSED IS NOT A STRONG ENOUGH WORD to describe you guys. You are over the top. And you accuse Faramir of trying to take over? LMAO
This is a giant____ match for you guys isnt it?
Not like carole They dont just dissagree with her they BASH AND TREAT HER IN AN ABUSIVE WAY.
The figures? But you are quick to attribute figures on how many Faithman has saved right? That is ok......because he is the only one that has done anything for this cause, right?
4given I am curious......are you a Christian. Because if you are, then your primary focus should be on Christ. You said the loyalty should be to the unborn.

reply from: 4given

I dont question his passion I question how he acts on this board. He is a Christian and as a Christian he should never lose site of God and doing what He commands above what he wants to do. He does not act godly here. I cant believe that you also a Christian cant see that. No one deserves wrath on here like he shoves at carole. And I question any Christian that would not also call him on it.
I am not interested in what you surmise to be a lack of insight. Especially if you choose to use Christ to justify any of your personal opinions. As a Christian, Jesus Christ should dominate your thoughts and life. Let's talk about abortion. Start a thread. Share some insight. What do you have to say to a woman that is considering aborting her child today?

reply from: scopia19822

" I am not interested in what you surmise is a lack of insight. Especially if you choose to use Christ to justify any of your personal opinions. As a Christian, Jesus Christ should dominate your thoughts and life. Let's talk about abortion. Start a thread. Share some insight. What do you have to say to a woman that is considering aborting her child today?"
4given are you familar with the parable of the adulteress who was in the process of being stoned by a group of Pharisees I believe? What did Jesus say to the adulteress? He told her to go and sin no more and rebuked those who were trying to stone her. Fman and the others are acting like Pharisees and treating CM like the adulteress that Jesus said to sin no more. Its wrong and no Christian should do what they are doing. I will pray for them, but I think that if Churchmouse and even myself didnt protest against these actions I couldnt look in the mirror and call myself a Christian. No matter CM's past, even her views which I dont agree with the exceptions there is no excuse or reason for the treatment she has recieved.

reply from: faithman

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reply from: 4given

NO you aren't curious. You are trying to play a game. If you do not understand what it means to betray the unborn, then you should find your place on the bloodied fence. Wasn't it enough to sacrifice one child out of ignorance? Now you want to play a game of words against the lives and rights of other innocent children? I am not into your games. YOUR LOYALTY SHOULD BE TO CHRIST AND HIS GIFT- THE UNBORN. Is it?

reply from: scopia19822

"NO you aren't curious. You are trying to play a game. If you do not understand what it means to betray the unborn, then you should find your place on the bloodied fence. Wasn't it enough to sacrifice one child out of ignorance? Now you want to play a game of words against the lives and rights of other innocent children? I am not into your games. YOUR LOYALTY SHOULD BE TO CHRIST AND HIS GIFT- THE UNBORN. Is it?"
We are to be as Christlike as possible in thought, actions, speech and deeds. And whats been done to CM is anything but Christlike. Should we speak out and oppose evil, yes we should as Chrisitans. Its our Christian duty, but bearing false witness, persecuting and judging are not what we as Christians should do. I really suggest that all of us Christians regardless of denomination and I include myself as well do an indepth reading and studying of Proverbs. It has practical adivce on how a Christian should speak, think and conduct themselves. Its my favorite OT book.

reply from: Faramir

NO you aren't curious. You are trying to play a game. If you do not understand what it means to betray the unborn, then you should find your place on the bloodied fence. Wasn't it enough to sacrifice one child out of ignorance? Now you want to play a game of words against the lives and rights of other innocent children? I am not into your games. YOUR LOYALTY SHOULD BE TO CHRIST AND HIS GIFT- THE UNBORN. Is it?
I didn't think I would ever see 4given stoop this low.
That was cruel.

reply from: Faramir

Christians here should not be looking the other way. Thank God that Teresa, Scopia, and Chruchmouse have the courage to confront this very UNChristian behavior.

reply from: 4given

I am familiar with Proverbs and I didn't need to have my Scripture reading planned out for me either.. Oh the joy of a personal desire and relationship. What does CM have to do with anything you are saying to me? What is the obsession? How about we stop with the petty distractions and get real about the victims of abortion?

reply from: Faramir

I am familiar with Proverbs and I didn't need to have my Scripture reading planned out for me either.. Oh the joy of a personal desire and relationship. What does CM have to do with anything you are saying to me? What is the obsession? How about we stop with the petty distractions and get real about the victims of abortion?
There is a reason for the "obsession," and there is one poster who is causing it, and two or three posters who support it, and I ain't one of them and neither is scopia, and I don't think you are either.
And it could easily be remedied and we could have some order on this board, but chaos is preferred.

reply from: 4given

How so? I was not trying to be cruel. I was speaking honestly. What was "low" about it? It wasn't an attack. I was responding to a statement. What place do you have in this conversation?

reply from: faithman

I am familiar with Proverbs and I didn't need to have my Scripture reading planned out for me either.. Oh the joy of a personal desire and relationship. What does CM have to do with anything you are saying to me? What is the obsession? How about we stop with the petty distractions and get real about the victims of abortion?
There is a reason for the "obsession," and there is one poster who is causing it, and two or three posters who support it, and I ain't one of them and neither is scopia, and I don't think you are either.
And it could easily be remedied and we could have some order on this board, but chaos is preferred.
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reply from: faithman

If his work were soley through this board, he would accomplish nothing, except possibly drive some undecideds into becoming prochoice. He shoots himself in the foot 100 times a day on this forum.http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg

reply from: Faramir

How so? I was not trying to be cruel. I was speaking honestly. What was "low" about it? It wasn't an attack. I was responding to a statement. What place do you have in this conversation?
This is a public board, so "my place" is in any conversation on this board. If you want a private chat, use the phone.
What it appears that you did is go beyond disagreeing with churchmouse, and used the occasion to rub her nose in her abortion, and it seemed to me was just one more example of the post abortive being kicked to the curb over their abortions.
I have very valid disagreements with both CMs, but I have no right as a Christian to use that as an excuse throw their sins back in their faces.
I don't like when they are preachy, either. And I don't like when you are preachy, either.
But that's not a good enough reason to throw your sins back in your faces. That's a horrible thing to do.

reply from: lycan

You're the one who keeps the list.

reply from: Faramir

You're the one who keeps the list.
lol

reply from: Faramir

He was referring to Carolmarie being Faramir, or "weenie" as he has come to affectionately call me.
He is suggesting that faramir is carolemarie.
I would be impressed if anyone could pull something like that off.
He has a bad habit of accusing posters of being other posters.
Though I disagree that I "attack." I think he is exaggerating, or possibly whining a little too much.
Offer him some cheese.

reply from: faithman

How so? I was not trying to be cruel. I was speaking honestly. What was "low" about it? It wasn't an attack. I was responding to a statement. What place do you have in this conversation?
This is a public board, so "my place" is in any conversation on this board. If you want a private chat, use the phone.
What it appears that you did is go beyond disagreeing with churchmouse, and used the occasion to rub her nose in her abortion, and it seemed to me was just one more example of the post abortive being kicked to the curb over their abortions.
I have very valid disagreements with both CMs, but I have no right as a Christian to use that as an excuse throw their sins back in their faces.
I don't like when they are preachy, either. And I don't like when you are preachy, either.
But that's not a good enough reason to throw your sins back in your faces. That's a horrible thing to do.
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reply from: Faramir

How so? I was not trying to be cruel. I was speaking honestly. What was "low" about it? It wasn't an attack. I was responding to a statement. What place do you have in this conversation?
This is a public board, so "my place" is in any conversation on this board. If you want a private chat, use the phone.
What it appears that you did is go beyond disagreeing with churchmouse, and used the occasion to rub her nose in her abortion, and it seemed to me was just one more example of the post abortive being kicked to the curb over their abortions.
I have very valid disagreements with both CMs, but I have no right as a Christian to use that as an excuse throw their sins back in their faces.
I don't like when they are preachy, either. And I don't like when you are preachy, either.
But that's not a good enough reason to throw your sins back in your faces. That's a horrible thing to do.
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If she can shows me that I was out of line, I will apologize to her.
Until then, all I see is that she was cruel to churchmouse, in the same way that you are cruel to carolemarie.

reply from: ChristianLott2

holy *****. i thought i was the only one psycho enough to post this late on a saturday night, but here's faramir.
i know fman is dedicated, but faramir's entire exsistence is centered around protecting his killer gf.
what a nobel cause, protecting your murderer friend from hurtful comments. much better than defending the pre born infants who are slaughtered 5,500 a day here. cm must mean a whole lot to you faramir. that you've fallen in love with a murderer is pathetic beyond belief. truly, there's something you're not telling us about yourself. something horrible that you love a murderer.
i don't feel sorry for you though. you are disgusting and you need to help yourself. get a grip. be a man. and for God's sake - stop whining.

reply from: faithman

How so? I was not trying to be cruel. I was speaking honestly. What was "low" about it? It wasn't an attack. I was responding to a statement. What place do you have in this conversation?
This is a public board, so "my place" is in any conversation on this board. If you want a private chat, use the phone.
What it appears that you did is go beyond disagreeing with churchmouse, and used the occasion to rub her nose in her abortion, and it seemed to me was just one more example of the post abortive being kicked to the curb over their abortions.
I have very valid disagreements with both CMs, but I have no right as a Christian to use that as an excuse throw their sins back in their faces.
I don't like when they are preachy, either. And I don't like when you are preachy, either.
But that's not a good enough reason to throw your sins back in your faces. That's a horrible thing to do.
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If she can shows me that I was out of line, I will apologize to her.
Until then, all I see is that she was cruel to churchmouse, in the same way that you are cruel to carolemarie.
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reply from: Faramir

It's not all that late on the west coast.
But I like when postabortive women save babies. I don't like to see them discouraged.
When people discourage them, they save less babies, so that means those who discourage them are indirectly killing babies.
At least you could encourage the good.

reply from: 4given

How so? I was not trying to be cruel. I was speaking honestly. What was "low" about it? It wasn't an attack. I was responding to a statement. What place do you have in this conversation?
This is a public board, so "my place" is in any conversation on this board. If you want a private chat, use the phone. You don't know when to back off do you? I know I have had this conversation before. What seems to you. My statements to her didn't "go beyond" anything. I said what I felt was true. One should always be loyal to the unborn- if they are "prolife". I don't "throw" anything btw. I delete more than I post sometimes. I am not into games. I am sick of these diversionary topics. Abortion? Let's here your personal experiences Faramir. Anyone close to you abort?

reply from: faithman

It's not all that late on the west coast.
But I like when postabortive women save babies. I don't like to see them discouraged.
When people discourage them, they save less babies, so that means those who discourage them are indirectly killing babies.
At least you could encourage the good.

reply from: Faramir

How so? I was not trying to be cruel. I was speaking honestly. What was "low" about it? It wasn't an attack. I was responding to a statement. What place do you have in this conversation?
This is a public board, so "my place" is in any conversation on this board. If you want a private chat, use the phone.
What it appears that you did is go beyond disagreeing with churchmouse, and used the occasion to rub her nose in her abortion, and it seemed to me was just one more example of the post abortive being kicked to the curb over their abortions.
I have very valid disagreements with both CMs, but I have no right as a Christian to use that as an excuse throw their sins back in their faces.
I don't like when they are preachy, either. And I don't like when you are preachy, either.
But that's not a good enough reason to throw your sins back in your faces. That's a horrible thing to do.
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If she can shows me that I was out of line, I will apologize to her.
Until then, all I see is that she was cruel to churchmouse, in the same way that you are cruel to carolemarie.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg
I won't bother to report this to a moderator or the owner here, since they would not care, but for all to see who give two hoots--this is a threat.

reply from: faithman

How so? I was not trying to be cruel. I was speaking honestly. What was "low" about it? It wasn't an attack. I was responding to a statement. What place do you have in this conversation?
This is a public board, so "my place" is in any conversation on this board. If you want a private chat, use the phone.
What it appears that you did is go beyond disagreeing with churchmouse, and used the occasion to rub her nose in her abortion, and it seemed to me was just one more example of the post abortive being kicked to the curb over their abortions.
I have very valid disagreements with both CMs, but I have no right as a Christian to use that as an excuse throw their sins back in their faces.
I don't like when they are preachy, either. And I don't like when you are preachy, either.
But that's not a good enough reason to throw your sins back in your faces. That's a horrible thing to do.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg
If she can shows me that I was out of line, I will apologize to her.
Until then, all I see is that she was cruel to churchmouse, in the same way that you are cruel to carolemarie.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg
I won't bother to report this to a moderator or the owner here, since they would not care, but for all to see who give two hoots--this is a threat.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg

reply from: ChristianLott2

what about post abortive men trying to save babies? that doesn't count?
you sick nearsighted person, would you look at the FORCED ABORTION topic and see what kind of person you're actually defending? Someone who's PRO FORCED ABORTION on young girls and someone who's vowed to fight PERSONHOOD TOOTH AND TOENAIL.
Our tactic - the true pro lifers - is to save them all with good laws. She's lying when she pretends we would fight laws against abortion with excuses. We back ANY AND ALL laws that would prevent an infants murder.
We will not bend our morals and conscience for others though. And that's what she assumes we should do. SHE has VOWED to fight our legislation, though we've never vowed to fight hers.
That's the one sidedness of it all. SHE'S A LIAR, plain and simple. She uses doublespeak to feign compassion for both woman and child but when it comes down to it, she'd rather a dead baby than an inconvenience.

reply from: Faramir

Then convince her she is wrong.
Her previous abortions are a separate issue.
She is fighting on a different front--working with women to prevent them from aborting--working with the post abortive to help them find healing and to prevent them from aborting again.
She's doing good work.
Praise the good work, and disagree in a civil way in the areas where you think she's wrong.
But her personal abortions should be off limits and disagreements about other issues are no excuse to bash her over the head with them over and over.
And again, it's not about this one person.
She is a representative of the postabortive, and some of them lurk here and read this stuff. They could have good stories to share and could be helpful, but they see the cruelty, and I would not blame them if they were afraid to share.
And others who are on the fence see the cruelty here, and think that prolifers are cruel and just want to hurt women.
The stuff that goes on here DOES NOT HELP THE BABIES and in fact could be doing the opposite.

reply from: faithman

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reply from: Faramir

How so? I was not trying to be cruel. I was speaking honestly. What was "low" about it? It wasn't an attack. I was responding to a statement. What place do you have in this conversation?
This is a public board, so "my place" is in any conversation on this board. If you want a private chat, use the phone. You don't know when to back off do you? I know I have had this conversation before. What seems to you. My statements to her didn't "go beyond" anything. I said what I felt was true. One should always be loyal to the unborn- if they are "prolife". I don't "throw" anything btw. I delete more than I post sometimes. I am not into games. I am sick of these diversionary topics. Abortion? Let's here your personal experiences Faramir. Anyone close to you abort?
I don't see how bringing up her abortion was showing any loyalty to the unborn.
It was a cheap shot.
That's how I see it, and you have not convinced me otherwise, so there will be no apology.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Well, I don't know what else to call a killer than a killer. You do far more damage than you think by wasting our time with your petty whining. You need to shut up and let true defenders of the pre born do their work. You're just a weenie that needs to stfu.

reply from: ChristianLott2

It's a cheap shot to MURDER JACK ASS!

reply from: faithman

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reply from: 4given

I was responding directly to her post to me. Cheap shot? That is how you see it. I am not asking for your apology.. Better yet I will ask you to abstain from commentary in regard to any direct communication between another poster and I.. Have you posted about abortion this week faramir? Have you posted in a thread where proaborts have? Who have you known that aborted their child? I am sure some of your yoga class did. How are you involved in the community?

reply from: faithman

I was responding directly to her post to me. Cheap shot? That is how you see it. I am not asking for your apology.. Better yet I will ask you to abstain from commentary in regard to any direct communication between another poster and I.. Have you posted about abortion this week faramir? Have you posted in a thread where proaborts have? Who have you known that aborted their child? I am sure some of your yoga class did. How are you involved in the community?
I guess all the reports over the years here of saved babies thru IAAP don't count? Even his "GF" has reported the same. But really, if he thinks it is SSSSOOOO bad here, then why doesn't he simply go away? BUT NNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

reply from: Faramir

I was responding directly to her post to me. Cheap shot? That is how you see it. I am not asking for your apology.. Better yet I will ask you to abstain from commentary in regard to any direct communication between another poster and I.. Have you posted about abortion this week faramir? Have you posted in a thread where proaborts have? Who have you known that aborted their child? I am sure some of your yoga class did. How are you involved in the community?
I don't think it's smart to share too much personal stuff on this forum, so I decline to answer any of your questions, and I don't go around asking women if they've aborted, so I don't know and don't want to know.
Yes, I have posted in other threads about other things. This is just one thread.
And you can ask all you like that I abstain, but if I see fit, I'll still comment. This is an open forum and it's not moderated. Remember, you can't even ask someone to refrain from calling someone a "scanc" a "whore" or a "killer of three" over and over, so I don't see why you would get your big girl panties in a wad over something so petty.
(I borrowed that phrase from Mr. Crutcher, btw, so it's cool to say that here).

reply from: faithman

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reply from: 4given

was responding directly to her post to me. Cheap shot? That is how you see it. I am not asking for your apology.. Better yet I will ask you to abstain from commentary in regard to any direct communication between another poster and I.. Have you posted about abortion this week faramir? Have you posted in a thread where proaborts have? Who have you known that aborted their child? I am sure some of your yoga class did. How are you involved in the community?
I don't think it's smart to share too much personal stuff on this forum, so I decline to answer any of your questions.
Please don't flatter yourself.. no one is interested in whatever your "personal stuff" is. I am not.
Excuse yourself. Now you owe me an apology..

reply from: yoda

Is using profanity now considered violence? Are you trying to bait me with such a question? Or are you claiming to be able to read my mind? Or what exactly are you doing?
I don't know which push and which shove you're talking about, but if scopia came to Knoxville and tried to take my camera away from me, or attack me, then I would defend both myself and my camera. Is that what you mean? Or are you wondering if I am a pacifist who would not ever defend himself? Exactly what sort of sill implication are you trying to make? This seems a lot like character assassination to me, and I would expect more from a "Christian" like you, ya know?
There you go again, ON THE ATTACK. What kind of "Christian Love" is that?
And Farismear throws carole's "hundreds of saves" (totally unproven, by the way) in everyone's face...... IS THAT FAIR???
Where is your "Christian Love" today?

reply from: yoda

Ah, yet another "expert" who thinks that people will kill babies because they don't like someone on a forum.....
What kind of person would kill their baby because they were angry at FMan?
You?

reply from: yoda

You don't keep up well, do you? Carole has said that in some cases, it might be "for the best" to kill such babies. Try to keep up.
Try to keep up. I said she switches to her "Farismear personality", meaning she posts under that name when she wants to attack someone. Try to keep up, will you?
You're kinda scary right here......
Show me the post where I have done that. You are LYING AGAIN!
Goodness, I just can't feel the "Christian Love" in your words AT ALL......
SHOW ME THE POST........ YOU ARE LYING AGAIN!!
WHERE IS THAT "CHRISTIAN LOVE", MOUSIE???

reply from: yoda

And playing it very poorly, I might add......

reply from: yoda

You mean she's almost down to your level?
Where's your "Christian Love", Weenie?

reply from: yoda

IS THAT THE "LOVING" THING TO DO, WEENIE????
WHY IS CONFRONTATION ONLY OKAY FOR YOU AND MOUSIE, AND NOT FOR THE OTHERS????

reply from: yoda

Still whining, I see.
Whine,
Whine,
Whine,
Whine,
Whine,
Whine,
Whine,
Whine,
Whine,
Whine,

reply from: yoda

I'm one of several, actually. Lib started this trend.
But you ASKED to be put on it. Wanting off now?

reply from: yoda

You are a big fat HYPOCRITE!!
You attack those you don't like, and then whine and whine about others being attacked.
HYPOCRITE!!

reply from: yoda

Where do you get your stats?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I'm one of several, actually. Lib started this trend.
But you ASKED to be put on it. Wanting off now?
I had a list of people on ignore, not people I considered faux-lifers.

reply from: faithman

I'm one of several, actually. Lib started this trend.
But you ASKED to be put on it. Wanting off now?
I had a list of people on ignore, not people I considered faux-lifers.http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby12.html

reply from: Faramir

Good lord, it seems mr. yodavater has twisted his big girl panties into a massive knot in this thread.

reply from: churchmouse

And you have to ask me that?
Where have you been since I first joined? Have you not heard a word I have said. You never heard my testimony?
I am not going to get in a p__-match and flaunt what I have done compared to others. That is not what this is all about, some might think so but IMO that is not what is important.
And using Christ to justify my actions is bad? You act like it is.
I have started many threads about this topic.
I would sit down and show them what science has to say. I would show pictures, like Faithmans cards and then I would tell them about God and what He says about all life. I woulld do this in kindness like Christ commands that we do.
Indeed they are. Gods grace is not enough for them. They want revenge.
I sat around for months and kept my mouth shut and that was wrong. As a Christian I should have spoken out sooner against the injustice that is going on here. I should have defended carole but I did not, for that I am sorry. I do not agree with everything she says and does.....I am sure she does not with me. There is not one person here I probaby would agree with on everything 100%. But that is not what being a Christian is all about. It is about Gods love and showing it to believers and unbelievers alike.
4given said, "NO you aren't curious. You are trying to play a game. If you do not understand what it means to betray the unborn, then you should find your place on the bloodied fence. Wasn't it enough to sacrifice one child out of ignorance? Now you want to play a game of words against the lives and rights of other innocent children? I am not into your games. YOUR LOYALTY SHOULD BE TO CHRIST AND HIS GIFT- THE UNBORN. Is it? "
Game? You are wrong.
You miss the whole point of the gospel 4given. LET ME SAY THIS AGAIN.....
The focus should be on Christ and what He tells us to do as Christians. It is NOT to hate my enemy but to love them and talk kindly to them.....EVEN IF THEY ARE WRONG.
I believe that abortion is murder. God gives the unborn personhood the minute they are conceived. He knew them before they were concieved. Abortion should be illegal. I am not for abortion even in the case of rape....ONLY to save the life of the mother. I work in this field....I do what I can. I killed my unborn child, I repented...God saved me from death. I work in the pro-life field not only to talk about abortion but to show Gods love, that He saves and can save any woman who has killed her unborn.
God knows my heart you do not. He knows everything I have ever thought and done. AND GUESS WHAT 4GIVEN.....HE FORGAVE ME AND WASHED ME CLEAN.
MY LOYALTY IS TO CHRIST AND BECAUSE OF THAT MY ACTIONS REFLECT MY BELIEF THAT HE IS MY SAVIOR. MY GOOD WORKS ARE A PRODUCT OF CHRIST.
NOTHING THAT I HAVE DONE MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE UNLESS CHRIST IS INVOLVED. IF YOU DO NOT PUT HIM FIRST THEN YOU MISS THE ENTIRE PICTURE.
There is not a time that I have ever worked at an event that I have not first asked that God be with me, that He have His hands on what I do. And anything good that happens happens because He had His hand on it. He changes hearts I cant. I do not know where this hostility is coming from?
Scopia is right......the people here that have treated carole this way are NOT CHRISTLIKE IN ANY WAY. They do not follow the Word, maybe because they do not know it I dont know. They obviously do not want to confront the scriptures on love and how to talk to an enemy. They willingly disregard the Word and they do what they think is right instead of what God commands.
We should talk to pro-choicers the same way as we talk to believers. For those that that think the slaughter is ok.......we should still display the same godly characteristics as Christ showed the adulterous woman and those that wanted her dead.
The same thing is happening here.....some want Carole stoned and are doing just that (figuratively speaking) and with each day that goes by, it gets worse and their hatred grows stronger and stronger as they such more people in. Dont fall into that pit, 4given.
What you said to me was mean> I hope it does not show where your heart and focus is. I have always enjoyed and agreed with how you conducted yourself on here. You need to step back and look at the things you have said. You were attacking me by reminding me what I did to my child. You meant it to hurt just be honest.
If you think carole is in error......speak to her in kindness like Christ did. Do the same for me.....but dont rape the Word. The Word is the Truth.
Thank gosh that someone confronted me about my unchristian actions on here. They loved me enough to show me I was in error. If you have a HEART LIKE CHRIST, you want to help people. Christ never meant that we should live life alone.
I am for free speech....but it does seem like something could be done to stop what is happening on this board. The very people that should be displaying godly behavior have chosen to abandon their faith.
lycan.....hilarious.......LOL
So true so true. The good ole lists.
Thats funny because I once thought Faithman was Yoda. Yoda always posts right after Faithman backing whatever he says up...........Hmmmmmmm
And look at the people surrounding Faithman. LOL Look at the groupies here protecting him, backing his hate up with their own. Why come on you guys.
Christ said to love, love even your enemy. You want to make a list.....
Make a list of the Christians that are standing on the Word and the ones who are not.
I would love to see that list.
I feel such sorrow for you that you could say something so cruel. You are so so lost. FAramir said that you should encourage the good....
Do you know what good is?
This is a prime example from Lott,
Morals? Where do your morals come from, I am really really curious. Where?
Oh I hope you do not say God, because your conduct on this board is ungodly.
You let the issue of abortion fog what should be right conduct.
Faramir they dont get it because they dont want to get it. They like to hate to much, its to much fun. They do not understand the gospel, they couldnt based on how they act. They dont care who they lead to Christ, because all they do is show hatred towards people.
If anything they woulld lead people away from Christ because if an unbeliever witnessed their words here, all they would see is hate.
They would love it if we all just left wouldnt they? LOL
FAT CHANCE.....I AM HERE FOR THE LONG HAUL, I HOPE YOU ARE TO.

What a mouth you have Lott.....where did you learn to talk like that?

reply from: yoda

Well at least the owner of this forum didn't say that about ME.......

reply from: ChristianLott2

I like to think I'm inspired by love of the innocent victim of murder rather than the murderer.
That you waste your time attacking me shows where your 'compassion' lies.
Phony.

reply from: yoda

Why, did he say something like "WTF?"?
Oh no, that was your buddy Farismear who said that.......

reply from: Faramir

Nice post Churchmouse.
It looks like you will soon be another one of my "girlfriends."
LOL
Or mabye you will soon be called carolemarie. Afterall your initials are the same. Hmmm.....
Of course she is me, so you are me too, then.
Is it just me, or has this board become even crazier?
It seems like some of the regulars are losing it.
I disagree with you on some things, especially the way you interpret scripture, but guess what? I don't get to call you a nasty name because I disagree with you, and I don't get to throw your sins in your face because I don't like one of your ideas. That's just plain rotten meanness looking for any excuse to be expressed.
But there will be no changes here. The haters are blinded by their own hate and justify it with "the babies" and the owner of the forum either doesn't get it, or is happy with it.
So the pro-life message on this board will always be mucked up, and anyone looking in from the outside will think we are hateful kooks.

reply from: yoda

That's true. CaroleMarie could announce that she has become a dedicated proabort activist and belongs to NARAL and PP now, and you would still defend her against all who denounced her. Nothing will change.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Why, did he say something like "WTF?"?
Oh no, that was your buddy Farismear who said that.......
WTF is a lot less offensive than pro-death-scanc.

reply from: 4given

And you have to ask me that? I don't know. Let's start with you. I have. Did you have a point?
Awesome and I am not interested..
I act? Justify yourself Churchmouse. Reflect your Saviour.
How?
Ahh.. I understand your confusion- say what again?
He did!
Okay.. Are you there to pull me up before that pitfall happens?
I am and was honest. I did not intend to hurt you. I should have waited before posting my response to your perceived "attack". What are you talking about?
The long haul of what? nevermind..

reply from: Faramir

NO you aren't curious. You are trying to play a game. If you do not understand what it means to betray the unborn, then you should find your place on the bloodied fence. Wasn't it enough to sacrifice one child out of ignorance? Now you want to play a game of words against the lives and rights of other innocent children? I am not into your games. YOUR LOYALTY SHOULD BE TO CHRIST AND HIS GIFT- THE UNBORN. Is it?
I went back and reread this and the previous posts to see this in context.
I still cannot see that this was not a cruel comment, and churchmouse saw it that way as well.
Churchmouse is obviously prolife, and "not on the bloodied fence" and all she has ever done here was condemn abortion for any reason, and she has been forthright in condemning her own bad choice of abortion, and obviously regrets it very much, so I'm trying to see why it was necessary for all this, especially the comment about sacrificing one child out of ignorance. "Wasn't it enough...?" What are you implying by that--that she killed one child and wants more to die?
What appears to me is that you resented her preaching to you, and you used this as a way to get back at her.
That has been my objection to the beatings that carolemarie has taken. Maybe she's wrong about something, but her opinions should not be countered by thowing her past sins at her, such as those vile comments your good friend makes 20 times or more a day.
That's what it seemed you did to churchmouse, and that would be a very low blow. If that was not your intent, please explain.

reply from: scopia19822

"what about post abortive men trying to save babies? that doesn't count? "
How are you trying to accomplish that? By slandering and spewing the vile garbage coming out of your mouth.? At least Yoda and are trying to do something in real life to stop abortion, even though I dont agree with Yodas pic taking, however I think his adoption referral list is a good thing to pass out. Fmans cards are a good simple tool to emphasize the humanity of the unborn. Why dont you volunteer at a local CPC or something if you want to stop abortion.

reply from: faithman

This thred is based on a false premise. There is not a whole sale "attack" on the post abortive. Farasmear uses the tactic of general statement to vilify anyone he disagrees with. Show one post where the post abortive have been attacked in general? It hasn't happened. There is one phony pro-lifer who hides behind being post abortive as a position beyond reproach. We are the ones who have been slandered, not CM. Her post are full of pro-abortion rhetoric. she has vowed to fight the very cure for abortion on demand, Personhood. At the end of the day, she is pro-abortion. She has point blank said that a womb child is not equal to the born. You can not agree with planned parenthood, and say that the pre-born are second class beings out of one side of your mouth, and then say you are pro-life out of the other. there may be many ways to get to personhood, but make no mistake, this issue has been first last and always, about whether the womb child is a person and deserving of the same protection under the law as the born person enjoys. Anyone who would mis direct focus from that fact is not pro-life, and the deadly enemy of the womb child. That is what this is about. The only one who is standing in a position beyond reproach are the pre-born, not the post abortive. The guilty should never be exalted over the innocent victim. That is what abortion on demand does, and that is what CM does almost every time it posts here.

reply from: angelofsorrow

A lot of post-abortion mothers and fathers are in deep sorrow for the abortion. Some turn to drugs/alcohol and other destructive behavior to try and numb the
psychological pain. They suffer enough as it is. Somebody getting in their face
about it either on a forum,blog,etc. or in other types of media or face to face does
nothing to help these post-abortion sufferers. They need compassion, not more
psychological pain. It doesn't bring the aborted baby back. And last but not least,
all of us in the human race are sinners.

reply from: faithman

Once aGAIN, YOU TRY TO MIS DIRECT THE FOCUS OF THIS SINGULAR ISSUE WITH GENERAL STATEMENTS. sHOW ONE POST WHERE THE POST ABORTIVE IN GENERAL HAVE BEEN ATTACKED!!! iT HASN'T HAPPENED HERE. wHAT HAS HAPPENED IS A PRO-DEATHER HAS BEEN CONFRONTED WHO TRIES TO HIDE BEHIND BEING POST ABORTIVE. i DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR EXCUSE IS. iF YOU ARE FOR KILLING BABIES, YOU DESERVE THE COMPASSION AFFORDED THRU PRISON BARS. ALL OF US MAY BE SINNERS, BUT NOT ALL OF US ARE BABY KILLERS. AND IF THAT IS YOUR EXCUSE FOR LETTING BABY MURDERERS GO FREE, THEN YOU ARE FOR LETTING ALL KILLERS GO FREE. sTICK YOUR "COMPASSION" WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE. IT COMES AT THE PRICE OF INNOCENT LIFE. THAT IS JUST TOO EXPENSIVE. YOUR POSITION IS WRONG AND NOT PRO-LIFE.

reply from: churchmouse

ha ha Sometimes I dont know who the poster means when they say, CM.
Hey I dissagree with CArole on lots of stuff........BUT SHE IS MORE GODLY THAN FAITHMAN AND HIS BODY GUARDS.
They are hateful people and I can't imagine them in real life. I can't imagine talking or having to meet them in person. I think I would want a body guard myself....because if their views in person are anything like they are on here....they would be violent people...especially Faithman. He is scary, yoda is a FAITHMAN WANNA BE.
I dissagree with you on many things as well, but I respect you as a person. Except the title of the Crutcher thread went way way way over the line. I think you know that.
But we agree to dissagree without namecalling. Its call mature adult behavior.
And you are right......the site will continue being the same way until Mark does something to stop those that only talk about hatred of others.
Its become a joke. Faithman only follows carole around to abuse her verbally.....yoda and nancy follow faithman, rosalie follows yoda and 4given is tagging along.
Did I forget anyone?

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Attention fearasmear!
I hope he kicks you out for your little spam routine.
If he does, he will also have to remove Faithman for HIS endless spamming.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

You are absolutely correct! It took me a long, long time to get accustomed to the fact that people like Flyboy exist and are allowed to spew their hatred and filth all over this forum. How many women has his ugliness turned away? More than it has attracted, that is for darn sure.

reply from: faithman

You are absolutely correct! It took me a long, long time to get accustomed to the fact that people like Flyboy exist and are allowed to spew their hatred and filth all over this forum. How many women has his ugliness turned away? More than it has attracted, that is for darn sure.
Then trot along and don't look back. No one is forcing you to be here.

reply from: churchmouse

River aint goin nowhere.......I wont let her !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reply from: nancyu

How will we stop it faramir? And what should the punishment be?

reply from: faithman

How will we stop it faramir? And what should the punishment be?
The weenie man lies again. No one is attacking the post abortive at all. We are confronting a killer who hides behind being post abortive. To repent means to clear yourself of the evil you have committed, and not indulge, advocate, nor defend it. CM is an unrepentant baby killer. She is the most dangerous of pro-deathers, as she tries to undermine "pro-life" from within. Her so called "good works" do not cover up the fact that she still harbors murdering innocents in her heart. You do not get thorns and thistles of dead children fruit from the good pro-life tree.

reply from: carolemarie

I am prolife, and you are attacking me with my past every chance you get! The past that I am forgiven from and healed from. I am prolife and work to help women and their children....
You need to stop all this attempted shaming, because it doesn't work and because there is nothing else I can do. I had abortions. I regret them. I don't want to have it thrown in my face, to have graphic dead baby links posted to "this is what you did"! That is totally uncalled for and over the top, even for you!

reply from: faithman

If you don't like it leave. But I intend to confront the false voice of a baby killer pretending to be pro-life everytime. Cheap grace is not the gospel.

reply from: carolemarie

I am neither a babykiller or prochoice.
You leave and take your hate somewhere where it will be appreciated....I am sure Fred Phelps would welcome you into his fold, you guys think alike....except he is more rational....

reply from: faithman

Doth says the cheap grace self justified killer of three. You are deluded if you can not see you are both a killer and Prochoice. TRue repentance requires us to see ourselves as we truely are. You can not see past your false self image to see that you are a deprave moral degenerate, a false pro-life voice, and the deadly enenmy of those who bear the image of the preborn Christ.

reply from: carolemarie

How am I a moral degenerate? What on earth makes you make such a crazy statement, because I like shoes????
That is just insane FB

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Carole, just put him on ignore already!

reply from: Rosalie

POST-ABORTIVE MEN? Since when do men have abortions? Are there also post-partum men? Do you physically suffer from anything that happens during abortion/childbirth or after that? If so, did you alert the medical community?

reply from: BossMomma

How will we stop it faramir? And what should the punishment be?
the punishment should be Life in Iggyland.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

POST-ABORTIVE MEN? Since when do men have abortions? Are there also post-partum men? Do you physically suffer from anything that happens during abortion/childbirth or after that? If so, did you alert the medical community?
In the statement you quoted, he's saying WOMEN...


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