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Is abortion murder?

by: JamesKing

Do you think that abortion is murder?

reply from: KaylieBee

No.
Go away now.

reply from: JamesKing

If abortion is not murder then what's the problem with it?

reply from: JamesKing

Should abortion then be made illegal?

reply from: nancyu

Should abortion then be made illegal?

reply from: JamesKing

Should abortion then be made illegal?
So I assume you think that abortion should be made illegal because it's murder? What should the punishment for women getting abortions nevertheless then be?

reply from: nancyu

Should abortion then be made illegal?
So I assume you think that abortion should be made illegal because it's murder? What should the punishment for women getting abortions nevertheless then be?
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An unborn child is a person.
Abortion is illegal.
Read the Constitution.

reply from: lukesmom

We all know our stance on the issue. You are new here? How 'bout you answer your own question?
So I assume you think that abortion should be made illegal because it's murder? What should the punishment for women getting abortions nevertheless then be?[/

reply from: JamesKing

Should abortion then be made illegal?
So I assume you think that abortion should be made illegal because it's murder? What should the punishment for women getting abortions nevertheless then be?
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An unborn child is a person.
Abortion is illegal.
Read the Constitution.
What should the punishment for women getting abortions nevertheless then be?

reply from: JamesKing

This thread is not about me. I just want to know if you consider abortion to be murder? Do you?

reply from: lukesmom

This thread is not about me. I just want to know if you consider abortion to be murder? Do you?
This thead's not about me either. I'll answer if you do first. You came here and can read all the previous posts. I want to know where YOU stand first. So, do YOU consider abortion to be murder?

reply from: Antibigot

According to law, it isn't. But it does KILL a human being.

reply from: JamesKing

According to law, it isn't. But it does KILL a human being.
So how should it be sanctioned if it was illegal and actually murder?

reply from: JamesKing

No.
And...?
Nothing? He wanted to know my position.

reply from: lukesmom

No.
And...?
Nothing? He wanted to know my position.
I am a "she" that is why I go by "Luke'smom" Now you answered first and I am not suprised by your answer. I DO consider abortion to be legalized murder.

reply from: nancyu

Here's a thought. Just for now... how about the same thing carolemarie proposes for the murder of born babies:
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=3781&STARTPAGE=3&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

reply from: JamesKing

I'm sorry, my mistake!
And so if abortion is murder and if it was actually made illegal then what should the punishment be for the women having one?

reply from: JamesKing

http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=3781&STARTPAGE=3&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear
So these women should not get punished and get help instead? Is that your point of view?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Manslaughter is not murder but that doesn't make it a'okay.

reply from: lukesmom

I'm sorry, my mistake!
And so if abortion is murder and if it was actually made illegal then what should the punishment be for the women having one?
No prob. If abortion was illegal and a woman broke the law, she should be held responsible along with the abortionist. Anyone assisting her in the abortion should also be held responsible as an assessory to murder. I have not come to this stance lightly and have thought long and hard on this and have had conflicting thoughts on this.

reply from: carolemarie

I think that the Dr. should be prosecuted and jailed. Women shouldn't be charged.
I think the law to ban abortions should be written to make performing an abortion against the law.

reply from: lukesmom

The woman who consents is just as culpable as the abortionist if not more so.

reply from: JamesKing

Manslaughter is not murder but that doesn't make it a'okay.
So abortion is like manslaughter and should be punished like it?

reply from: JamesKing

I'm sorry, my mistake!
And so if abortion is murder and if it was actually made illegal then what should the punishment be for the women having one?
No prob. If abortion was illegal and a woman broke the law, she should be held responsible along with the abortionist. Anyone assisting her in the abortion should also be held responsible as an assessory to murder. I have not come to this stance lightly and have thought long and hard on this and have had conflicting thoughts on this.
Ok, so just to get it correctly:
If abortion was illegal and a woman broke the law then she should be punished like murderers usually get punished? Lifelong prison, execution, ... ?

reply from: JamesKing

So you don't consider the women to be murderers?

reply from: AshMarie88

Is Paris Hilton a dumb blonde?
Duh!

reply from: faithman

I'm sorry, my mistake!
And so if abortion is murder and if it was actually made illegal then what should the punishment be for the women having one?
No prob. If abortion was illegal and a woman broke the law, she should be held responsible along with the abortionist. Anyone assisting her in the abortion should also be held responsible as an assessory to murder. I have not come to this stance lightly and have thought long and hard on this and have had conflicting thoughts on this.
Ok, so just to get it correctly:
If abortion was illegal and a woman broke the law then she should be punished like murderers usually get punished? Lifelong prison, execution, ... ?
She should meet the justice handed down by a jury of citizens just like any other killer. that is the way we have always dealt with those who slaughter innocents.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Manslaughter is not murder but that doesn't make it a'okay.
So abortion is like manslaughter and should be punished like it?
Abortion is not "identical" to ANY current criminal definition of killing. To come right out and explain myself, I do not believe women who abort should be imprisoned. I DO believe they need to go to some kind of therapy, like Alchoholics Anonymous or anger manegement classes - many people are required to attend such things after commiting crimes as opposed to going to jail. That is for a first offense. Second offense is jail time.

reply from: faithman

Manslaughter is not murder but that doesn't make it a'okay.
So abortion is like manslaughter and should be punished like it?
Abortion is not "identical" to ANY current criminal definition of killing. To come right out and explain myself, I do not believe women who abort should be imprisoned. I DO believe they need to go to some kind of therapy, like Alchoholics Anonymous or anger manegement classes - many people are required to attend such things after commiting crimes as opposed to going to jail. That is for a first offense. Second offense is jail time.
your post proves that you do not consider the womb child equal to the born. every murderer should meet the justice handed down by a jury of citizens. That is how we handle the killers of the born, and that is how killers like CM should be dealt with.

reply from: lycan

Well Liberal, Lukesmom, and Carole, your club has a new member. I'm now a registered "faux lifer".

reply from: carolemarie

I consider women as having varing degrees of guilt. But the issue is how we write the law. We can ban abortions, by making performing one illegal and proscuting abortion providers. That would take the profit out of it and end it.
Most women who have abortions have children, who need a mother

reply from: faithman

If you believe that killer death scancs should get a free walk, then we are glad to accomadate. Either abortion is murder, or it is not. Either the womb child should be equally protected with the born, or you agree with the bortheads that they are second class beings and deserve no consideration. Either you believe that the pre-born are persons, or you are a borthead. It is really quite simple really.

reply from: carolemarie

If you believe that killer death scancs should get a free walk, then we are glad to accomadate. Either abortion is murder, or it is not. Either the womb child should be equally protected with the born, or you agree with the bortheads that they are second class beings and deserve no consideration. Either you believe that the pre-born are persons, or you are a borthead. It is really quite simple really.
This from the guy who supports killing abortion providers.....

reply from: ChristianLott2

Are you attacking someone killermarie?
Where's fear-a-smear to help you with that?
Can't answer a simple yes/no question so you run off to attack a true pro lifer!
I was regretting a bit putting so many people on my list who've defended you, but every time I read one of your posts it just affirms my conviction. You are nothing more than a pro abort murderer trying to smear the blood on your hands onto everyone else.
You're sick, unrepentant and should be put in jail. You don't belong on a forum, you belong in an institution for the criminally insane.
Baby killer.

reply from: faithman

If you believe that killer death scancs should get a free walk, then we are glad to accomadate. Either abortion is murder, or it is not. Either the womb child should be equally protected with the born, or you agree with the bortheads that they are second class beings and deserve no consideration. Either you believe that the pre-born are persons, or you are a borthead. It is really quite simple really.
This from the guy who supports killing abortion providers.....
I support equality for both the born, and the preborn. You are the true killer who has murdered 3, and stand for those who do real murder. Stopping a mass murder is justice. Protecting the killer on the job is conspiring to keep the killing going. But I don't exspect a murderer like you to understand justified defence if it means your fellow murderers are stopped from taking innocent life.

reply from: carolemarie

CL2, I am not interested in you. Please get over your love for me. I know you want my attention but I don't want to indulge your sick obssesion with me.
Please grow up. Act like a man and quit whinning like a baby. It is unattractive, weak and pathetic

reply from: faithman

...and your example of "womanhood" is a sick pathetic display of baby murder in word and deed. But I guess a scanc's gotta do what a scanc's gotta do.

reply from: faithman

Killers have to blur that line to justify their evil deeds. Darkness avoids light, because it is exposed for what it is in light. The borties want to cover their issue, and as the profetii killer has said herself," fight tooth and toenail" against the light of personhood for the womb child. Personhood is the light. The line drawn in the sand. The distinction between false and true. If things seem shadowy, it is no time to compromise. It is time to turn up the light of personhood until there is no more "what if" shadows. Just the simple fact of womb child personhood, and the final judgment of citizen jurist as to what punishment for those who destroy the preborn. That is the way it is for the born person, that is the way it should be with the womb child person.
Are you attacking someone killermarie?
Where's fear-a-smear to help you with that?
Can't answer a simple yes/no question so you run off to attack a true pro lifer!
I was regretting a bit putting so many people on my list who've defended you, but every time I read one of your posts it just affirms my conviction. You are nothing more than a pro abort murderer trying to smear the blood on your hands onto everyone else.
You're sick, unrepentant and should be put in jail. You don't belong on a forum, you belong in an institution for the criminally insane.
Baby killer.

reply from: lycan

CL2 only has eyes for Vex, aka Faith Mann.

reply from: faithman

Killers have to blur that line to justify their evil deeds. Darkness avoids light, because it is exposed for what it is in light. The borties want to cover their issue, and as the profetii killer has said herself," fight tooth and toenail" against the light of personhood for the womb child. Personhood is the light. The line drawn in the sand. The distinction between false and true. If things seem shadowy, it is no time to compromise. It is time to turn up the light of personhood until there is no more "what if" shadows. Just the simple fact of womb child personhood, and the final judgment of citizen jurist as to what punishment for those who destroy the preborn. That is the way it is for the born person, that is the way it should be with the womb child person.
CL2 only has eyes for Vex, aka Faith Mann.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Horray! Welcome to the sane side. We have donuts too, but I'm afraid they don't have snarky comments written on them. Just sprinkes.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Manslaughter is not murder but that doesn't make it a'okay.
So abortion is like manslaughter and should be punished like it?
Abortion is not "identical" to ANY current criminal definition of killing. To come right out and explain myself, I do not believe women who abort should be imprisoned. I DO believe they need to go to some kind of therapy, like Alchoholics Anonymous or anger manegement classes - many people are required to attend such things after commiting crimes as opposed to going to jail. That is for a first offense. Second offense is jail time.
your post proves that you do not consider the womb child equal to the born. every murderer should meet the justice handed down by a jury of citizens. That is how we handle the killers of the born, and that is how killers like CM should be dealt with.
It's not just that I don't consider it to be equal. It is ALSO that I understand the complicated mental aspects of what the woman is going through. That understanding forces me not to punish her for doing what she felt was her only real choice. Women who abort do't do it because they choose abortion over birth; they do it because they think they HAVE to; they think the do not HAVE another choice!

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Precisely. Understanding WHY women abort is important in the fight to help them CHOOSE life.

reply from: lycan

Horray! Welcome to the sane side. We have donuts too, but I'm afraid they don't have snarky comments written on them. Just sprinkes.
Thanks.

reply from: yoda

Every state already has laws against murder, there would be no need to write new ones. What's so difficult to understand about that?

reply from: yoda

your post proves that you do not consider the womb child equal to the born. every murderer should meet the justice handed down by a jury of citizens. That is how we handle the killers of the born, and that is how killers like CM should be dealt with.
Wow...... maybe we should just hand out traffic tickets to women who abort illegally, ya think? Or how about making them go to counseling sessions with the abortionist? Or taking away their gold stars? My, my......

reply from: Faramir

If we invoke Mark Crutcher as a pro-life authortity, may we invoke ALL his thinking about abortion, or only that which supports a particular point of view?
What does Mr. Crutcher say about punishment of women who abort?
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I have read his comments about that subject, and he opposes punishment of the women.
Doesn't it follow, according to the logic in this thread in recent posts, that Mr. Crutcher, if he does not want to punish the women, he therefore does not value "womb children" as equals to born people, and therefore he must be a "pro-abort" or at the very best a "faux-lifer"?
This would put Fr. Frank Pavone of Priests for Life in the same boat as well.
How can we seriously take anything these gentlemen say, when they do not want the woman who aborts executed, jailed, or punished?

reply from: carolemarie

your post proves that you do not consider the womb child equal to the born. every murderer should meet the justice handed down by a jury of citizens. That is how we handle the killers of the born, and that is how killers like CM should be dealt with.
Wow...... maybe we should just hand out traffic tickets to women who abort illegally, ya think? Or how about making them go to counseling sessions with the abortionist? Or taking away their gold stars? My, my......
First, the logic of your position is stretched.
if the woman in question goes to mexico is it murder here? If she has a miscarriage is she forced to go under an investigation to prove she didn't cause it?
The only logical way to end abortion is to go after the source the provider. That is why making abortion illegal to perform would take care of that.
Your desire to jail women points what you actually care about. Punishment and revenge.

reply from: faithman

your post proves that you do not consider the womb child equal to the born. every murderer should meet the justice handed down by a jury of citizens. That is how we handle the killers of the born, and that is how killers like CM should be dealt with.
Wow...... maybe we should just hand out traffic tickets to women who abort illegally, ya think? Or how about making them go to counseling sessions with the abortionist? Or taking away their gold stars? My, my......
First, the logic of your position is stretched.
if the woman in question goes to mexico is it murder here? If she has a miscarriage is she forced to go under an investigation to prove she didn't cause it?
The only logical way to end abortion is to go after the source the provider. That is why making abortion illegal to perform would take care of that.
Your desire to jail women points what you actually care about. Punishment and revenge.
Once again the pro death scanc lies and misdirects. Once again this miscreant killer of three use the common borthead tactic of what if's to justify killing womb children , and demand that killers go free. Once again this monster who has slaughtered her children, has no concept of justice, and the difference between it and revenge. If one kills in another country, we have no juridiction. It is that way already for the murder of the born, and it would be the same when personhood is established for the preborn. you logic [thank goodness] is not the only logic there is. But thanks again for proving our point. You are a pro-death killer of three, and no where near pro-life!!!

reply from: carolemarie

I am prolife, have admitted that abortion was a bad choice and I am now against that.
Mypast abortions have no bearing on my current positions. I am no longer in favor of legalized abortion. A point you seem to miss because you just want to slander me rather than actually debate anything.

reply from: faithman

No scanc, you are not pro-life. That is not slander as it is a fact. Your current positions are in line with your past deeds. When it comes right down to it, you are in favor ofd slaughtering children. No amount of lies is going to cover that up.

reply from: nancyu

Precisely. Understanding WHY women abort is important in the fight to help them CHOOSE life.
Most women who have abortions have children, who need a mother who doesn't believe in killing her own children

reply from: nancyu

Manslaughter is not murder but that doesn't make it a'okay.
So abortion is like manslaughter and should be punished like it?
Abortion is not "identical" to ANY current criminal definition of killing. To come right out and explain myself, I do not believe women who abort should be imprisoned. I DO believe they need to go to some kind of therapy, like Alchoholics Anonymous or anger manegement classes - many people are required to attend such things after commiting crimes as opposed to going to jail. That is for a first offense. Second offense is jail time.
your post proves that you do not consider the womb child equal to the born. every murderer should meet the justice handed down by a jury of citizens. That is how we handle the killers of the born, and that is how killers like CM should be dealt with.
It's not just that I don't consider it to be equal. It is ALSO that I understand the complicated mental aspects of what the woman is going through. That understanding forces me not to punish her for doing what she felt was her only real choice. Women who abort do't do it because they choose abortion over birth; they do it because they think they HAVE to; they think the do not HAVE another choice!
So you're judging the heart of every woman who aborts all in one fell swoop?
You don't think each woman should be tried individually as with all other types of murder?
All kinds of women kill their unborn children, with all kinds of motives, and with all kinds of intent, and not all of them are nearly as innocent and victimized as you would have everyone believe.

reply from: Faramir

No scanc, you are not pro-life. That is not slander as it is a fact. Your current positions are in line with your past deeds. When it comes right down to it, you are in favor ofd slaughtering children. No amount of lies is going to cover that up.
I'm happy for the 700+ babies you saved in your pro-life work, CM. They will always be grateful to you for that, and so are most of us who are pro-life.
You don't deserve to be treated so cruelly.
I still don't get why Mark Crutcher allows this abuse.
I sent an email to him, but he did not respond.
Perhaps all of us who would like to put an end to this disgrace could send an email to him?

reply from: faithman

No scanc, you are not pro-life. That is not slander as it is a fact. Your current positions are in line with your past deeds. When it comes right down to it, you are in favor ofd slaughtering children. No amount of lies is going to cover that up.
I'm happy for the 700+ babies you saved in your pro-life work, CM. They will always be grateful to you for that, and so are most of us who are pro-life.
You don't deserve to be treated so cruelly.
I still don't get why Mark Crutcher allows this abuse.
I sent an email to him, but he did not respond.
Perhaps all of us who would like to put an end to this disgrace could send an email to him?
Or you could leave the forum and take your death scanc with you. No one is twisting your arm to stay!!!!! If it is SSSSSOOOOOOO bad, why hang around?

reply from: Faramir

I'm happy for the 700+ babies you saved in your pro-life work, CM. They will always be grateful to you for that, and so are most of us who are pro-life. You don't deserve to be treated so cruelly. I still don't get why Mark Crutcher allows this abuse. I sent an email to him, but he did not respond. Perhaps all of us who would like to put an end to this disgrace could send an email to him?

reply from: faithman

Or you could leave the forum and take your death scanc with you. No one is twisting your arm to stay!!!!! If it is SSSSSOOOOOOO bad, why hang around?

reply from: carolemarie

No scanc, you are not pro-life. That is not slander as it is a fact. Your current positions are in line with your past deeds. When it comes right down to it, you are in favor ofd slaughtering children. No amount of lies is going to cover that up.
Prolife is my position. I oppose jailing women. I differ with how to go about making abortion against the law. I don't oppose making it against the law.

reply from: nancyu

No scanc, you are not pro-life. That is not slander as it is a fact. Your current positions are in line with your past deeds. When it comes right down to it, you are in favor ofd slaughtering children. No amount of lies is going to cover that up.
Prolife is my position. I oppose jailing women. I differ with how to go about making abortion against the law. I don't oppose making it against the law.
... as long as it is not done in a way that is you know effective...you know, like as long as it's not really against the law, you know, like murder is against the law, because, you know unborn children aren't the same as born children, you know?

reply from: carolemarie

Well Faithboy, i don't think your method is effective, seeing it has gone down in flames everywhere it is introduced....

reply from: SRUW4I5

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<~
Yeah, you can't make the unborn pay your bills or clean your house.
You can't make a toddler or newborn pay your bills or clean your house either.
No two children (born or not) are exactly the same. There are a lot of things that can be done with a child that has been born that can't be done with a child that hasn't been born.

reply from: nancyu

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<~
Yeah, you can't make the unborn pay your bills or clean your house.
Exactly! So it is only murder if it is someone who can help with bill paying and housekeeping, right? Is that what we're trying to say? So only those who are helpful get to have their lives protected by the U.S. Constitution, right? Everyone else is not a person, right? Sure they're human, but not persons, at least not as defined in the Constitution. So it isn't really murder to kill them, it's merely a "grave injustice."
Would you agree carolemarie?

reply from: nancyu

So did mine (and so do I.) Maybe cm has the answer.

reply from: lukesmom

Welcome! The company's good!

reply from: faithman

Who said she had breast cancer? FYI she did not.

reply from: Faramir

No scanc, you are not pro-life. That is not slander as it is a fact. Your current positions are in line with your past deeds. When it comes right down to it, you are in favor ofd slaughtering children. No amount of lies is going to cover that up.
ATTENTION MARK CRUTCHER
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
A post-abortive woman, who regrets her abortion(s), and who is involved in the pro-life work of counseling and preventing babies from being destroyed by abortion, should be able to post on this board in peace and not be continually harassed and abused.
While it is appreciated that you offer a place for this topic to be discussed, your forum has become a free-for-all, and the most vulnerable, who have stories to tell about the lessons they learned, instead of being encouraged for sharing their stories, are condemned and persecuted.
There is nothing wrong with honest debate and disagreement, but name-calling like "scanc" and "killer," should not be permitted in a civil discussion, and this conduct repels others from joining in this important discussion. And it certainly discourages others who are post-abortive, who might otherwise share the lessons they've learned.
I implore you moderate this forum, at least minimally, and prevent the rampant abusiveness that has been allowed, and which reflects poorly on the pro-life cause.

reply from: lycan

Welcome! The company's good!
Again, thanks!

reply from: JamesKing

So if abortion = murder then should it be made illegal? And how should women trespassing that law be punished?

reply from: JamesKing

I'm sorry, my mistake!
And so if abortion is murder and if it was actually made illegal then what should the punishment be for the women having one?
No prob. If abortion was illegal and a woman broke the law, she should be held responsible along with the abortionist. Anyone assisting her in the abortion should also be held responsible as an assessory to murder. I have not come to this stance lightly and have thought long and hard on this and have had conflicting thoughts on this.
Ok, so just to get it correctly:
If abortion was illegal and a woman broke the law then she should be punished like murderers usually get punished? Lifelong prison, execution, ... ?
She should meet the justice handed down by a jury of citizens just like any other killer. that is the way we have always dealt with those who slaughter innocents.
Ok, so killing women who have abortions is ok with you? Yes or no?

reply from: JamesKing

Manslaughter is not murder but that doesn't make it a'okay.
So abortion is like manslaughter and should be punished like it?
Abortion is not "identical" to ANY current criminal definition of killing. To come right out and explain myself, I do not believe women who abort should be imprisoned. I DO believe they need to go to some kind of therapy, like Alchoholics Anonymous or anger manegement classes - many people are required to attend such things after commiting crimes as opposed to going to jail. That is for a first offense. Second offense is jail time.
Why isn't abortion just like any other murder? Because the fetus isn't like a real person?

reply from: JamesKing

What if a woman tries to abort the fetus desperately herself then (since doctor's are not allowed to help her) by, let's say, punching her own belly and stuff? Which punishment would she deserve?
Or that she kills it right after birth? Which punishment would she deserve then?

reply from: JamesKing

Are you attacking someone killermarie?
Where's fear-a-smear to help you with that?
Can't answer a simple yes/no question so you run off to attack a true pro lifer!
I was regretting a bit putting so many people on my list who've defended you, but every time I read one of your posts it just affirms my conviction. You are nothing more than a pro abort murderer trying to smear the blood on your hands onto everyone else.
You're sick, unrepentant and should be put in jail. You don't belong on a forum, you belong in an institution for the criminally insane.
Baby killer.
Since you equate abortion to murder and want to make it illegal how should the women having one be punished?

reply from: JamesKing

Manslaughter is not murder but that doesn't make it a'okay.
So abortion is like manslaughter and should be punished like it?
Abortion is not "identical" to ANY current criminal definition of killing. To come right out and explain myself, I do not believe women who abort should be imprisoned. I DO believe they need to go to some kind of therapy, like Alchoholics Anonymous or anger manegement classes - many people are required to attend such things after commiting crimes as opposed to going to jail. That is for a first offense. Second offense is jail time.
your post proves that you do not consider the womb child equal to the born. every murderer should meet the justice handed down by a jury of citizens. That is how we handle the killers of the born, and that is how killers like CM should be dealt with.
It's not just that I don't consider it to be equal. It is ALSO that I understand the complicated mental aspects of what the woman is going through. That understanding forces me not to punish her for doing what she felt was her only real choice. Women who abort do't do it because they choose abortion over birth; they do it because they think they HAVE to; they think the do not HAVE another choice!
You make too much sense ......... Nice to see some people with common sense here

reply from: JamesKing

Every state already has laws against murder, there would be no need to write new ones. What's so difficult to understand about that?
And what should the punishment for women who are having them neverthless be?

reply from: JamesKing

If one doesn't want to punish the women and yet considers abortion to be a murder then one has a clear double standard!

reply from: Faramir

If one doesn't want to punish the women and yet considers abortion to be a murder then one has a clear double standard!
Oh?
Maybe people like Mark Crutcher and Fr. Pavone do not see the woman as the murderer.
Maybe they see them as victims or in some way less culpable than a murderer.

reply from: JamesKing

If one doesn't want to punish the women and yet considers abortion to be a murder then one has a clear double standard!
Oh?
Maybe people like Mark Crutcher and Fr. Pavone do not see the woman as the murderer.
Maybe they see them as victims or in some way less culpable than a murderer.
What's the difference then between them and 'real' murderers?

reply from: yoda

Whatever the laws in her state prescribe........ DUH!

reply from: sk1bianca

technically speaking, in most cases the woman isn't the actual murderer. the abortionist is. i guess she should be treated like people who hire a killer to get rid of someone.

reply from: faithman

If one doesn't want to punish the women and yet considers abortion to be a murder then one has a clear double standard!
Oh?
Maybe people like Mark Crutcher and Fr. Pavone do not see the woman as the murderer.
Maybe they see them as victims or in some way less culpable than a murderer.
What's the difference then between them and 'real' murderers?
Pro-lifers do not agree on everything. And who really cares what 30 pieces pavone says? He is a hypocrit thru and thru.

reply from: JamesKing

Whatever the laws in her state prescribe........ DUH!
Should abortion be illegal, according to YOU?
And what should thenm according to YOU, the punishment for women having abortions be?

reply from: JamesKing

What would an adequate punishment for people who hire a killer to successfully kill somebody be then?

reply from: JamesKing

If one doesn't want to punish the women and yet considers abortion to be a murder then one has a clear double standard!
Oh?
Maybe people like Mark Crutcher and Fr. Pavone do not see the woman as the murderer.
Maybe they see them as victims or in some way less culpable than a murderer.
What's the difference then between them and 'real' murderers?
Pro-lifers do not agree on everything. And who really cares what 30 pieces pavone says? He is a hypocrit thru and thru.
And how should these women be punished according to you again?

reply from: faithman

Whatever the laws in her state prescribe........ DUH!
Should abortion be illegal, according to YOU?
And what should thenm according to YOU, the punishment for women having abortions be?
In this country, it comes down to a jury of citizens. What ever the jury desides. That is what should be done.

reply from: SRUW4I5

Whatever the laws in her state prescribe........ DUH!
Should abortion be illegal, according to YOU?
And what should thenm according to YOU, the punishment for women having abortions be?
In this country, it comes down to a jury of citizens. What ever the jury desides. That is what should be done.
careful... augustine started being reasonable like that and got labeled a faux-lifer...

reply from: faithman

Whatever the laws in her state prescribe........ DUH!
Should abortion be illegal, according to YOU?
And what should thenm according to YOU, the punishment for women having abortions be?
In this country, it comes down to a jury of citizens. What ever the jury desides. That is what should be done.
careful... augustine started being reasonable like that and got labeled a faux-lifer...
Aaaaannnd just what do you mean? The law is already on the books on how to deal with murderers, and conspirators to comit murder. So no new laws would have to be passed if personhood is atributed to the womb child. No matter what the law says, it still comes down to a jury of citizens. I am merely pointing out how the law works in this land. The killer of three thinks we should give special privilage to killer scancs. That those who willingly kill their children should walk free. There is no justice in that at all.

reply from: SRUW4I5

Whatever the laws in her state prescribe........ DUH!
Should abortion be illegal, according to YOU?
And what should thenm according to YOU, the punishment for women having abortions be?
In this country, it comes down to a jury of citizens. What ever the jury desides. That is what should be done.
careful... augustine started being reasonable like that and got labeled a faux-lifer...
Aaaaannnd just what do you mean? The law is already on the books on how to deal with murderers, and conspirators to comit murder. So no new laws would have to be passed if personhood is atributed to the womb child. No matter what the law says, it still comes down to a jury of citizens. I am merely pointing out how the law works in this land. The killer of three thinks we should give special privilage to killer scancs. That those who willingly kill their children should walk free. There is no justice in that at all.
I mean it's reasonable to use the laws we already have, and when augustine started being reasonable he got labeled a faux-lifer so you should be careful.

reply from: JamesKing

Whatever the laws in her state prescribe........ DUH!
Should abortion be illegal, according to YOU?
And what should thenm according to YOU, the punishment for women having abortions be?
In this country, it comes down to a jury of citizens. What ever the jury desides. That is what should be done.
Why are you escaping the question??
Should abortion be illegal, according to YOU?
And what should then, according to YOU, the punishment for women having abortions be?

reply from: yoda

And of course, they are considered equally, if not more guilty than the hired killer..... right?

reply from: yoda

Exactly whatever punishment is prescribed for the murder of a born person...
DUH!

reply from: faithman

Whatever the laws in her state prescribe........ DUH!
Should abortion be illegal, according to YOU?
And what should thenm according to YOU, the punishment for women having abortions be?
In this country, it comes down to a jury of citizens. What ever the jury desides. That is what should be done.
careful... augustine started being reasonable like that and got labeled a faux-lifer...
Aaaaannnd just what do you mean? The law is already on the books on how to deal with murderers, and conspirators to comit murder. So no new laws would have to be passed if personhood is atributed to the womb child. No matter what the law says, it still comes down to a jury of citizens. I am merely pointing out how the law works in this land. The killer of three thinks we should give special privilage to killer scancs. That those who willingly kill their children should walk free. There is no justice in that at all.
I mean it's reasonable to use the laws we already have, and when augustine started being reasonable he got labeled a faux-lifer so you should be careful.
I am always reasonable. It is just some don't care for reason. It is not reasonable for folks to call a death scanc pro-life, when they have killed 3, and still advocate killing for "selected" womb children. It is not reasonable to call a killer pro-life, when they have vowed to fight personhood for the pre-born. That is what is unreasonable around here. But the guilty go free, while the innocent are slaughtered. Now ther is your reason huh?

reply from: faithman

....and by the way, that has been my stance from the beginning. So according to you I have always been reasonable. Thanks!

reply from: SRUW4I5

You're welcome... I thought you weren't reasonable and seemed like an extremist before though...

reply from: JamesKing

Exactly whatever punishment is prescribed for the murder of a born person...
DUH!
And which kind of punishment should that be, according to you?

reply from: faithman

Whatever the laws in her state prescribe........ DUH!
Should abortion be illegal, according to YOU?
And what should thenm according to YOU, the punishment for women having abortions be?
In this country, it comes down to a jury of citizens. What ever the jury desides. That is what should be done.
Why are you escaping the question??
Should abortion be illegal, according to YOU?
And what should then, according to YOU, the punishment for women having abortions be?
I gave a straight up answere. The laws against murder are already on the books. Each state may be a little different, and the law is a guide line. It still comes down to a jury of citizens. They can go by the law or totally ignore it. WE THE PEOPLE should have the final say. Now if you are asking me if I were on a jury, what would be my virdict? If it were proven beyond reasonable doubt that a woman had her child butchered, I would advocate for the maximum penalty under the law.[what ever it happened to be in that location]. Premeditated 1st degree murder will usually get you life without parole at the least, and could get you lethal injection in other places. Both are apropiate and just punishment for those who heartlessly, and brutally slaughter a helpless womb child. Now! Does that answere your question?

reply from: JamesKing

Whatever the laws in her state prescribe........ DUH!
Should abortion be illegal, according to YOU?
And what should thenm according to YOU, the punishment for women having abortions be?
In this country, it comes down to a jury of citizens. What ever the jury desides. That is what should be done.
Why are you escaping the question??
Should abortion be illegal, according to YOU?
And what should then, according to YOU, the punishment for women having abortions be?
I gave a straight up answere. The laws against murder are already on the books. Each state may be a little different, and the law is a guide line. It still comes down to a jury of citizens. They can go by the law or totally ignore it. WE THE PEOPLE should have the final say. Now if you are asking me if I were on a jury, what would be my virdict? If it were proven beyond reasonable doubt that a woman had her child butchered, I would advocate for the maximum penalty under the law.[what ever it happened to be in that location]. Premeditated 1st degree murder will usually get you life without parole at the least, and could get you lethal injection in other places. Both are apropiate and just punishment for those who heartlessly, and brutally slaughter a helpless womb child. Now! Does that answere your question?
I think so. But just to be sure:
So you would even favor capital punishment on women who have abortions? Correct?

reply from: faithman

Whatever the laws in her state prescribe........ DUH!
Should abortion be illegal, according to YOU?
And what should thenm according to YOU, the punishment for women having abortions be?
In this country, it comes down to a jury of citizens. What ever the jury desides. That is what should be done.
Why are you escaping the question??
Should abortion be illegal, according to YOU?
And what should then, according to YOU, the punishment for women having abortions be?
I gave a straight up answere. The laws against murder are already on the books. Each state may be a little different, and the law is a guide line. It still comes down to a jury of citizens. They can go by the law or totally ignore it. WE THE PEOPLE should have the final say. Now if you are asking me if I were on a jury, what would be my virdict? If it were proven beyond reasonable doubt that a woman had her child butchered, I would advocate for the maximum penalty under the law.[what ever it happened to be in that location]. Premeditated 1st degree murder will usually get you life without parole at the least, and could get you lethal injection in other places. Both are apropiate and just punishment for those who heartlessly, and brutally slaughter a helpless womb child. Now! Does that answere your question?
I think so. But just to be sure:
So you would even favor capital punishment on women who have abortions? Correct?
If a jury of citizens convicts, and that is the prescribed punishment by law, I would have no problem at all with it. Texas exicuted a woman for pick axing a couple to death while they slept so she could make drug money. I would say abortion is no less a crime, and the penalty should match. We also had a wife pay an under cover cop to kill her husband. She got life. I would say those who pay a womb child hit man to slaughter an "inconveniance" should meet the same justice. Every case is different, but those would be good general rules to go by. I am all for compassion for murderers. I just think it should be exstended thru good strong bars to protect the innocent, and honor the murdered. But if you are a scanc killer, you have no honor. So those things [like justice] don't matter. All that matters is that your sistas get the same free walk that you did. What is unreasonable around here, is allowing a womb child serial killer claim it is pro-life.

reply from: sk1bianca

well, the laws in my country (Romania) say:
1. murder -> 10 to 20 years in prison.
2. premeditated murder , multiple murders, murder commited by a person who has been previoulsy covincted for murder, murder commited against a close relative, murder through cruelty -> life in prison or 15 to 25 years.
3. a mother killing her newborn child soon after birth, "in a state of mental disturbance" -> 2 to 7 years in prison.
(our so called laws seem to be a joke, if you ask me...)
so i guess if abortion ever becomes illegal it would be put somewhere in this third category, even if the act itself would rather fit in the second.
i think women who have abortions should receive serious counseling during inprisonment. i guess time in prison could depend on the progress they make realizing what they did and why it is wrong. if they do it again the sentence should be more severe.

reply from: yoda

Whatever is on the books of state laws NOW!
How dense can you be?

reply from: JamesKing

Could you please just answer the question:
So YOU would favor capital punishment on women who have abortions? Correct? Yes or No?

reply from: JamesKing

So should people who kill other people also get some serious counseling during their imprisonment and then be freed again?

reply from: JamesKing

Whatever is on the books of state laws NOW!
How dense can you be?
Why do you hide behind this cheap excuse? Just answer the question: And which kind of punishment should that IDEALLY be, according to you?

reply from: yoda

"Cheap excuse"? You call adherence to the law of the land a "cheap excuse"? What kind of convoluted logic is that?
IDEALLY, the unborn should be protected just the same as the born, no more, no less.
Why can't you comprehend plain English?

reply from: JamesKing

"Cheap excuse"? You call adherence to the law of the land a "cheap excuse"? What kind of convoluted logic is that?
IDEALLY, the unborn should be protected just the same as the born, no more, no less.
Why can't you comprehend plain English?
You're still escaping the ACTUAL question: And which kind of punishment should that IDEALLY be, according to you?
Would, according to you, a woman who aborts deserve the death penalty?

reply from: BossMomma

You're from Romania? How cool, I visited Romania with my mom and step dad as a kid, beautiful country.

reply from: Faramir

ATTENTION MARK CRUTCHER
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
A post-abortive woman, who regrets her abortion(s), and who is involved in the pro-life work of counseling and preventing babies from being destroyed by abortion, should be able to post on this board in peace and not be continually harassed and abused.
While it is appreciated that you offer a place for this topic to be discussed, your forum has become a free-for-all, and the most vulnerable, who have stories to tell about the lessons they learned, instead of being encouraged for sharing their stories, are condemned and persecuted.
There is nothing wrong with honest debate and disagreement, but name-calling like "scanc" and "killer," should not be permitted in a civil discussion, and this conduct repels others from joining in this important discussion. And it certainly discourages others who are post-abortive, who might otherwise share the lessons they've learned.
I implore you moderate this forum, at least minimally, and prevent the rampant abusiveness that has been allowed, and which reflects poorly on the pro-life cause.

reply from: faithman

Attention Mark Crutcher. The phonies on this forum are a buch of cry baby wooses that want you to join their ranks and censor real pro-life speach. It would be a tragedy to supress the truth as other casper milk toast "pro-life" forums have done. Please do not give in to the faux-lifers and bortheads. We have let them smear their fecal matter over this issue for 36 years. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!

reply from: CharlesD

Murder is the taking of an innocent human life.
Are unborn babies human?
Are they alive?
Case closed.

reply from: sk1bianca

So should people who kill other people also get some serious counseling during their imprisonment and then be freed again?
i believe some of them actually do. don't they often get out sooner for good behaviour?

reply from: Faramir

I learned one thing from the f'boy, and that is the spam post. It CAN be effective, or at least annoying.
And for the record, I don't care to censor real pro-life speech--just verbal degredation.
ATTENTION MARK CRUTCHER
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
A post-abortive woman, who regrets her abortion(s), and who is involved in the pro-life work of counseling and preventing babies from being destroyed by abortion, should be able to post on this board in peace and not be continually harassed and abused.
While it is appreciated that you offer a place for this topic to be discussed, your forum has become a free-for-all, and the most vulnerable, who have stories to tell about the lessons they learned, instead of being encouraged for sharing their stories, are condemned and persecuted.
There is nothing wrong with honest debate and disagreement, but name-calling like "scanc" and "killer," should not be permitted in a civil discussion, and this conduct repels others from joining in this important discussion. And it certainly discourages others who are post-abortive, who might otherwise share the lessons they've learned.
I implore you moderate this forum, at least minimally, and prevent the rampant abusiveness that has been allowed, and which reflects poorly on the pro-life cause.

reply from: faithman

I learned one thing from the f'boy, and that is the spam post. It CAN be effective, or at least annoying.
And for the record, I don't care to censor real pro-life speech--just verbal degredation.
ATTENTION MARK CRUTCHER
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
A post-abortive woman, who regrets her abortion(s), and who is involved in the pro-life work of counseling and preventing babies from being destroyed by abortion, should be able to post on this board in peace and not be continually harassed and abused.
While it is appreciated that you offer a place for this topic to be discussed, your forum has become a free-for-all, and the most vulnerable, who have stories to tell about the lessons they learned, instead of being encouraged for sharing their stories, are condemned and persecuted.
There is nothing wrong with honest debate and disagreement, but name-calling like "scanc" and "killer," should not be permitted in a civil discussion, and this conduct repels others from joining in this important discussion. And it certainly discourages others who are post-abortive, who might otherwise share the lessons they've learned.
I implore you moderate this forum, at least minimally, and prevent the rampant abusiveness that has been allowed, and which reflects poorly on the pro-life cause.
Attention Mark Crutcher. The phonies on this forum are a buch of cry baby wooses that want you to join their ranks and censor real pro-life speach. It would be a tragedy to supress the truth as other casper milk toast "pro-life" forums have done. Please do not give in to the faux-lifers and bortheads. We have let them smear their fecal matter over this issue for 36 years. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!

reply from: Antibigot

Whatever is on the books of state laws NOW!
How dense can you be?
Why do you hide behind this cheap excuse? Just answer the question: And which kind of punishment should that IDEALLY be, according to you?
I don't even think about what should be done to those who legally commit murder of the born, let alone those who kill the unborn. Why should we figure out what the punishment should be? What's wrong with just wanting rights for the unborn? Even with the born, it depends on the circumstances. Just like the born, not all unborn humans are killed for the same reason or in the same method. So...are we also supposed to come with the many different scenerios? It seems you are expecting a simple answer to a hard question.

reply from: yoda

Maybe you should wise up and ask the question so that it makes sense. I am not in the business of proscribing criminal sanctions for every state in the union. That would be rather silly, don't you think? Or do you think?
Or do you think that present criminal laws prescribe the death penalty for every killing that takes place? Are you looking for some kind of kangaroo court justice, or what?
Wise up. Learn to ask the right questions to get the answers you want.

reply from: yoda

Apparently he's demanding that we be judge, jury, and executioner for as yet unspecified crimes. Sort of "baiting" us, I would say. I'm not taking the bait.

reply from: faithman

Maybe you should wise up and ask the question so that it makes sense. I am not in the business of proscribing criminal sanctions for every state in the union. That would be rather silly, don't you think? Or do you think?
Or do you think that present criminal laws prescribe the death penalty for every killing that takes place? Are you looking for some kind of kangaroo court justice, or what?
Wise up. Learn to ask the right questions to get the answers you want.
Sence when did fear-a-smear become james the king?

reply from: yoda

You don't think that weenie would put on a new disguise, do you?????

reply from: faithman

You don't think that weenie would put on a new disguise, do you?????
Smells like the same weenie off the faux life grill. Twins maybe?

reply from: yoda

AW, say it ain't so!!
Tell me ole Weenie wouldn't try to fool us again???
Shorely NOT!!

reply from: faithman

Same tactic of asking the same stupid question reguardless of the answere. Class mates at faux-life university maybe?

reply from: Faramir

Signature lines which harrass and taunt the post-abortive are a violation of decency, and have no place in a civil discussion about abortion, and reflect badly on the pro-life cause.
ATTENTION MARK CRUTCHER
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
A post-abortive woman, who regrets her abortion(s), and who is involved in the pro-life work of counseling and preventing babies from being destroyed by abortion, should be able to post on this board in peace and not be continually harassed and abused.
While it is appreciated that you offer a place for this topic to be discussed, your forum has become a free-for-all, and the most vulnerable, who have stories to tell about the lessons they learned, instead of being encouraged for sharing their stories, are condemned and persecuted.
There is nothing wrong with honest debate and disagreement, but name-calling like "scanc" and "killer," should not be permitted in a civil discussion, and this conduct repels others from joining in this important discussion. And it certainly discourages others who are post-abortive, who might otherwise share the lessons they've learned.
I implore you moderate this forum, at least minimally, and prevent the rampant abusiveness that has been allowed, and which reflects poorly on the pro-life cause.

reply from: faithman

Signature lines which harrass and taunt the post-abortive are a violation of decency, and have no place in a civil discussion about abortion, and reflect badly on the pro-life cause.
ATTENTION MARK CRUTCHER
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
A post-abortive woman, who regrets her abortion(s), and who is involved in the pro-life work of counseling and preventing babies from being destroyed by abortion, should be able to post on this board in peace and not be continually harassed and abused.
While it is appreciated that you offer a place for this topic to be discussed, your forum has become a free-for-all, and the most vulnerable, who have stories to tell about the lessons they learned, instead of being encouraged for sharing their stories, are condemned and persecuted.
There is nothing wrong with honest debate and disagreement, but name-calling like "scanc" and "killer," should not be permitted in a civil discussion, and this conduct repels others from joining in this important discussion. And it certainly discourages others who are post-abortive, who might otherwise share the lessons they've learned.
I implore you moderate this forum, at least minimally, and prevent the rampant abusiveness that has been allowed, and which reflects poorly on the pro-life cause.
Attention Mark Crutcher. The phonies on this forum are a bunch of cry baby wooses that want you to join their ranks and censor real pro-life speach. It would be a tragedy to supress the truth as other casper milk toast "pro-life" forums have done. Please do not give in to the faux-lifers and bortheads. We have let them smear their fecal matter over this issue for 36 years. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!

reply from: Faramir

Signature lines which harrass and taunt the post-abortive are a violation of decency, and have no place in a civil discussion about abortion, and reflect badly on the pro-life cause.
ATTENTION MARK CRUTCHER
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
A post-abortive woman, who regrets her abortion(s), and who is involved in the pro-life work of counseling and preventing babies from being destroyed by abortion, should be able to post on this board in peace and not be continually harassed and abused.
While it is appreciated that you offer a place for this topic to be discussed, your forum has become a free-for-all, and the most vulnerable, who have stories to tell about the lessons they learned, instead of being encouraged for sharing their stories, are condemned and persecuted.
There is nothing wrong with honest debate and disagreement, but name-calling like "scanc" and "killer," should not be permitted in a civil discussion, and this conduct repels others from joining in this important discussion. And it certainly discourages others who are post-abortive, who might otherwise share the lessons they've learned.
I implore you moderate this forum, at least minimally, and prevent the rampant abusiveness that has been allowed, and which reflects poorly on the pro-life cause.
Worth repeating...

reply from: faithman

Attention Mark Crutcher. The phonies on this forum are a bunch of cry baby wooses that want you to join their ranks and censor real pro-life speach. It would be a tragedy to supress the truth as other casper milk toast "pro-life" forums have done. Please do not give in to the faux-lifers and bortheads. We have let them smear their fecal matter over this issue for 36 years. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Precisely. Understanding WHY women abort is important in the fight to help them CHOOSE life.
Most women who have abortions have children, who need a mother who doesn't believe in killing her own children
Actually that percentage is not over 50%. The woman who do have children and abort do it because they are worried they can't afford another child and don't want their born children to suffer.

reply from: faithman

SSSSOOOO what do you call those who do it? Victims?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

So you're judging the heart of every woman who aborts all in one fell swoop?
The people on here who would treat every single woman who aborts as a murderer are the ones judging all women in one fell swoop. I on the other hand give women the benefit of the doubt; I actually am doing the OPPOSITE of judging them.
I don't believe abortion is murder so no, I don't believe women should be treated that way. The DOCTOR should go to jail and she should have to go to counseling to find out why she aborted; but she shouldn't be treated like a criminal since she was most likely very desperate.
Jean val jean in Les Miserables is arrested in the beginning of the story because he stole food just so he could eat. He was thrown into much suffering in the penal system, just because he was trying to survive. I view women who abort as trying to "survive"; societal influences have them convinced that birth is paramount to death. "Your life will be over" is one of the most common pro-choice phrases. You want to talk about fear mongering? It's the pro-choicers!!
I can only speak from the experience of the young college student I was, and the fear I experienced in regards to pregnancy. I was utterly terrified and it was all because I'd been taught that having a child would ruin my life, even if I had no intentions of keeping it myself. I thought my parents would tear me away from college and my friends and force me to live with them. My mother had already stated she'd refuse to let me give it up for adoption and I felt it was a disgrace to her to raise MY child. So I honestly and truly felt my only option was abortion. I had enough money in my account I could have a friend drive me to a clinic, get it done and go back to my dorm and no one would be the wiser. I thank God every time I think about it that I didn't ever get pregnant because I truly don't think I would have had the courage to do anything at all, aside from turn into a depressed lump lying in bed.
Most women who abort are that age and in that situation, or ones similar to it. I felt cornered.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Why isn't abortion just like any other murder? Because the fetus isn't like a real person?
Because in no other time in our lives are we physically attached via biological elements to another person AND living inside of them, fully dependent on their body for our own survival. Pregnancy is a unique situation that brings about some sticky ethics that aren't black-and-white.
Abortion isn't murder period, in my book.
The fetus is a "real person", but it is indeed different from a born child in many ways. This does not make it any less of a person nor does it give you a right to kill it electively.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

You make too much sense ......... Nice to see some people with common sense here
Thank you ^^ I try hard to make sense. You can see it comes at a heavy price though.

reply from: scopia19822

"Abortion isn't murder period, in my book. "
Its murder no doubt about it but IMHO the ones that should be charged are the abortionist and those who work in the clinics. All of thier income come from abortion profits.

reply from: Banned Member

I call those who commit murder 'murderers'. I call those who seek the forgiveness of God 'forgiven'. I call those who cannot condem those who commit the same sins that they do 'human beings'. I can judge right from wrong. I can speak against evil. I can do the right thing and encourage others to do the same. I can be just and I can be compassionate. But only God can forgive sins.

reply from: Banned Member

God has a book. You have an opinion. There is no place in the Bible for letters to the editor.

reply from: Teresa18

You don't think that weenie would put on a new disguise, do you?????
This person reminds me of JRH.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

So is unintended manslaughter. So is self defense. Case re-opened.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

It could not possibly be self defense or unintended manslaughter?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

It couldn't possibly be self defense or unintended manslaughter?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

God has a book. You have an opinion. There is no place in the Bible for letters to the editor.
It couldn't possibly be self defense or unintended manslaughter?

reply from: scopia19822

Abortion is premeditated murder, self defense and manslaughter are not.

reply from: Banned Member

Abortion is not self defense and it is not manslaughter. Abortion is not some reckless action which somehow inadvertently precipitates the death of an unborn child. The death of an unborn child is the exact intention and purpose for which abortion is chosen.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I disagree. See my new topic. Abortion is feticide.

reply from: JamesKing

So how should abortion be punished then if it was made illegal?

reply from: scopia19822

"So how should abortion be punished then if it was made illegal? "
The abortionist and their staffs are the primary ones that should be prosecuted as they are the one who profits off of abortions.

reply from: faithman

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