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by: ChristianLott2

Then someone who makes a statement like this about an 11 year old:
is surely pro abortion, right?

reply from: yoda

Yes it is proabortion. And it's a horrible thing to do to your own flesh and blood.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Forced abortion is WRONG. You forgot to put that answer in your poll.
There is one exception, however. If your daughter is too young to carry a pregnancy (a 10-year-old, say) SAFELY (according to several doctors), it is in her best interests - AND your RESPONSIBILITY as a parent - to get the pregnancy aborted as early as possible.
If you are referring to adult women and physically mature teenage girls, however, there is no reason to force any of them to abort. THAT is not anyone's decision except for the pregnant woman or teen, and in those cases you should talk to them about all the alternatives and encourage them (and HELP THEM) to go through the pregnancy and have the baby, then either give it up for adoption or keep it.

reply from: scopia19822

"There is one exception, however. If your daughter is too young to carry a pregnancy (a 10-year-old, say) SAFELY (according to several doctors), it is in her best interests - AND your RESPONSIBILITY as a parent - to get the pregnancy aborted as early as possible. "
What if she doesnt want the abortion? Do you have them restrain her to the table, put her little legs in the stirrups and let a butcher take a currette or a vacum hose and suck the life out of her womb. What if 20 years later she is married and tries to conceive a child and finds out she cant concieve because of the abortion? Is it really worth risking her fertilty and her hating you for the rest of her life?

reply from: ChristianLott2

In the case of an 11 year old girl, if she's physically not able to carry the baby to full term she will just have to have an early birth.
Abortion is not necessary.

reply from: sk1bianca

in my country, pregnant 11-12 year old girls are not something rare. gipsy girls marry at 7 and by the time they're 13 they already have kids. the vast majority of them give birth in normal conditions. they don't see it as a tragedy or trauma and they are proud of their kids.
romanians don't really like gypsies (and if you ever get to live here for a while you'll understand why), it's not racism like most people think. having children so early in life or having more than a certain number of kids has become a part of the "gipsy lifestyle" and that's enough for some parents to force their daughthers to abort. reasons like "what will the people think of us", "you will NOT quit school", "nobody will ever want you with a kid", "your life will be ruined" also come in handy.
i have seen a young girl who was brought by her mother to have an abortion. the doctor talked to her and convinced her to keep the child, but her mother simply dragged her back to the clinic and went to another doctor.

reply from: Faramir

Then someone who makes a statement like this about an 11 year old:
is surely pro abortion, right?
Regarding your question--there is not enough information to say whether the person who made the statement is pro-abortion or pro-life.
It is a statment of fact, as that person sees it, that the people who would make the abortion decision would be her parents. I think when she said "they decide on the abortion" that she meant they decide WHETHER she will have an abortion, and it is not implied that she SHOULD have an abortion.
I think it would be wrong to force her to have an abortion, but from what I understand, her parents would have the legal right, so I would be correctly stating that "The people making the decisions are her parents and that they decide because they are in charge of her."
That would be a statement of fact, as I understand it, and it does not imply any approval of abortion in general, or abortion in that particular case.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Definitely; it's not pro-choice at all. It goes against the very concept behind pro-choice, which is that it is the female'schoice, and no one else's.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Definitely; it's not pro-choice at all. It goes against the very concept behind pro-choice, which is that it is the female'schoice, and no one else's.
If the girl is under age she's not allowed to make decisions for herself. Any minor who gets pregnant can be forced to abort by her parents.
Does this sound good to you? Is this something you endorse?

reply from: scopia19822

"If the girl is under age she's not allowed to make decisions for herself. Any minor who gets pregnant can be forced to abort by her parents
Does this sound good to you? Is this something you endorse?"
Its child abuse and should be treated as such. I would equate this to a parent brining in their daughter to have a female circumscision performed. Both should be illegal and prosceuted.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Good analogy.
The question here though is:
How can a young girl be autonomous enough to choose an abortion but not responsible enough to choose to have sex?
You can't have it both ways.

reply from: faithman

....and the quickest way to establish personhood for the womb child, is the life at conception act. the problem with these "other tactics" is that they draw away attention from what needs to be done. I believe that these "other tactics" are specificly designed to do just that. I don't think pro-life is devided at all. It has merely been infiltrated by undercover bortheads to mis direct. The cure is "pro-life" cleaning it's own house first. We must declare where our loyalty lies. Pro-life is precieved to be an exstention of the rep. party. Even at our state rally, it looked more like a political pep rally for the govenor. We are not going to end this politically, as long as we accept faux-pro-lifers as "leaders". The issue has always been personhood. To be distracted from that fact means death to the womb child. We need to demand that our "leaders" promote personhood. We need to demand that our resources be put into materials that promote the image of the womb child. But what we get insted is ego driven personality cults, and "organizations" that are shills for a party that has sold us out in a major way. And the only materials they produce is glossy begger sheets, competing for our dime to rent fancy offices, and pay themselves a handsome wage while the babies die. "I AM A PERSON" has proven to be one of the most, if not the most effective source of abortion stopping material. The live imagry changes hearts and minds by the droves. These other so called tactics are a waist of time and money. Everyone who truely cares about the plight of the womb child, should put their time and resources into materials like IAAP. We have even been succesful in getting them into the schools. Quit being fooled by self interest punks. Simply get armed, and get busy. The real numbers back us up. Abortion minded women change their minds about killing their womb children, when they see the imagry. It is reported by mobile ultra sound ministries, that as high as 98% of the abortion bound, change their minds about murdering their children. IAAP makes every individual the same kind of powerful witness for the womb child. For the cost of one ultra sound rig, We could supply millions of cards and posters to activist all across the nation. God has not called us to blindly follow stupidity. He has called us to be good stewards over our resources. How can it be good stewardship to rent luxury offices to do nothing blow hards, while the children die by the millions? We can easily beat the bortheads, but we must first cast out the abortion trash in our own ranks. We must clear the decks of "old guard" leaders who care more about making a living than stopping the dieing. Anyone who wants to truely be effective, can contact me by PM, and I will send you an "IAAP" care package for free. It really is that simply. When you show the truth, the lies go away. Includding the lies told by faux-lifers.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Did you see the picture in the paper? Is he like.. The REVERAND Rick Perry or what? He's doing the 'laying on of hands' dressed all in black like it's some kind of born again revival.
Personhood is the obvious and only logical answer. Without personhood all you have are a bunch of exceptions which devalue the mother, father and child. Elective abortion destroys the family and has destroyed our nation.
Faux lifers run around looking for excuses. They feign compassion for the mother, father and child every time they find a new excuse that allows for a pre born infants murder.
Sometimes murdering a child to save the life of it's mother is a choice a mother has to make. This is so extremely rare it's hardly worth discussing. It had never been against the law and would never be against the law. Yet faux lifers love to expand on this exception just like any other pro abort to include any devil they can cook up. Rape, incest, mental health, financial burden, bad relationship, headache, nausea, gaining weight, ...
The rape excuse extends to teen and pre teen pregnancy to include forced abortion by parents or any other controlling influence who could be disguised as such.
Then you see morally pro life believers attack vigilant pro lifers for denouncing and calling out faux lifers.
All in the name of allowing more abortions, because that is precisely what they're defending when they defend pro abort faux lifers.

reply from: faithman

Did you see the picture in the paper? Is he like.. The REVERAND Rick Perry or what? He's doing the 'laying on of hands' dressed all in black like it's some kind of born again revival.
Personhood is the obvious and only logical answer. Without personhood all you have are a bunch of exceptions which devalue the mother, father and child. Elective abortion destroys the family and has destroyed our nation.
Faux lifers run around looking for excuses. They feign compassion for the mother, father and child every time they find a new excuse that allows for a pre born infants murder.
Sometimes murdering a child to save the life of it's mother is a choice a mother has to make. This is so extremely rare it's hardly worth discussing. It had never been against the law and would never be against the law. Yet faux lifers love to expand on this exception just like any other pro abort to include any devil they can cook up. Rape, incest, mental health, financial burden, bad relationship, headache, nausea, gaining weight, ...
The rape excuse extends to teen and pre teen pregnancy to include forced abortion by parents or any other controlling influence who could be disguised as such.
Then you see morally pro life believers attack vigilant pro lifers for denouncing and calling out faux lifers.
All in the name of allowing more abortions, because that is precisely what they're defending when they defend pro abort faux lifers.
Did you go to the "rally"? Did you see all the IAAP posters? Did any show up on the local media, or were they cencored?

reply from: ChristianLott2

My dad came into town for a few days and we went down there around 2pm but nobody was out there. I guess they were still marching down the street somewhere.
Two days later a paper put a picture of Rick Perry dressed in a black preacher's outfit leaning down to touch a woman's face.
They showed nothing else. They did not mention the words 'pro life' at all, they called it an anti abortion rally.
No other paper said anything about it. They said there were a few hundred people out there.

reply from: faithman

My dad came into town for a few days and we went down there around 2pm but nobody was out there. I guess they were still marching down the street somewhere.
Two days later a paper put a picture of Rick Perry dressed in a black preacher's outfit leaning down to touch a woman's face.
They showed nothing else. They did not mention the words 'pro life' at all, they called it an anti abortion rally.
No other paper said anything about it. They said there were a few hundred people out there.
The whole thing was a sham. the only reason I went was to hand out materials.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Definitely; it's not pro-choice at all. It goes against the very concept behind pro-choice, which is that it is the female'schoice, and no one else's.
If the girl is under age she's not allowed to make decisions for herself. Any minor who gets pregnant can be forced to abort by her parents.
Not under current US law.
No, and of course not; why do you ask this as if I do?
Young children make all kinds of decisions for themselves. But no parent has the right to force their child to undergo an ELECTIVE procedure that could possibly harm the child without the child's consent. That is child abuse. Not to mention they're abusing the baby they kill in the abortion...
I feel ALL elective abortion should be illegal. Unless some health problem is discovered in regards to the young girl's pregnancy, no abortion is necessary or needed.

reply from: ChristianLott2

No, and of course not; why do you ask this as if I do?
To force you to give a clear response. If I don't ask accusingly you could do a back flip like carolemarie and hedge on the issue. I'm trying to find out your true opinion without a song and dance.
Yet if we outlaw abortion except in the case of rape, the young girl will still be a victim of this double bind.
This is what carolemarie defends.

reply from: scopia19822

"How can a young girl be autonomous enough to choose an abortion but not responsible enough to choose to have sex?"
They cant be thats why we have statutory rape laws. In most states a minor cant consent to sex period.

reply from: ChristianLott2

So the point here is, if she's ALWAYS the victim of rape then her parents will ALWAYS be able to force her into an abortion.
Therefore, making abortion illegal except for rape victims leaves a huge section of young women ripe for forced abortion.
This is something carolemarie supports.

reply from: faithman

That is the major prob with "rape exceptions". Cm is no voice to listen to either way. Why listen to a killer of 3? Seems to be a BBBBBBBBBBBIGGGG conflict of interest.
So the point here is, if she's ALWAYS the victim of rape then her parents will ALWAYS be able to force her into an abortion.
Therefore, making abortion illegal except for rape victims leaves a huge section of young women ripe for forced abortion.
This is something carolemarie supports.

reply from: scopia19822

"So the point here is, if she's ALWAYS the victim of rape then her parents will ALWAYS be able to force her into an abortion.
Therefore, making abortion illegal except for rape victims leaves a huge section of young women ripe for forced abortion.
This is something carolemarie supports."
As far as I understand it in some states even with parental consent an abortion cant be performed on a minor against their will. It should be treated as child abuse pure and simple. If this is what CM is supporting she is wrong and I disagree however I wont particpate in a high tech lynching.

reply from: faithman

High tech lynching! Snicker! So calling a sold out baby killer a baby killer is lynching. If that be the case, pass out the virtual ropes, we need more of it.

reply from: carolemarie

I said that the family and the girl need counseling! Because right now the parents tell this kids what they feel is best, she being 11 will do as they want. She doesn't know any better.
So again, counseling and then a decision can be made. That kid needs facts, but if she decides for the abortion, then that is a decision that is made by the family including the girl.
I don't think there is a good answer and a perfect solution. And I am willing to allow the exception to be there because I can't know what is best. And neither can you
The girls life counts as much as the babies does. Forcing an 11 year old to have a baby is sick, so is forcing her to abort. So is making her have a baby and give it away, so is making her raise it.....none of the solutions are good. For that reason each situtation has to be decided by the people involve, not legislated....

reply from: faithman

I said that the family and the girl need counseling! Because right now the parents tell this kids what they feel is best, she being 11 will do as they want. She doesn't know any better.
So again, counseling and then a decision can be made. That kid needs facts, but if she decides for the abortion, then that is a decision that is made by the family including the girl.
I don't think there is a good answer and a perfect solution. And I am willing to allow the exception to be there because I can't know what is best. And neither can you
The girls life counts as much as the babies does. Forcing an 11 year old to have a baby is sick, so is forcing her to abort. So is making her have a baby and give it away, so is making her raise it.....none of the solutions are good. For that reason each situtation has to be decided by the people involve, not legislated....
If you can't know what is best, then shut up like the scripture tells you to.1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 1Ti 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

reply from: carolemarie

Scripture doesnt tell women to shut up. God loves women. You apparently hate them. Which is why your pet legislation will fail, because the hate will show through.
it isn't about ending abortion with you , it is about punishing anyone who disagrees with you.

reply from: SRUW4I5

when I read the bible it sure sounded like that "God" character hated women and didn't want them to speak... I kinda agree with Faithman about that.

reply from: micah

Nancy, LukesMom, are you listening? From now on I want you to learn in silence and have a "gentle and quiet spirit".

reply from: carolemarie

when I read the bible it sure sounded like that "God" character hated women and didn't want them to speak... I kinda agree with Faithman about that.
That isn't what the bible says.
God created men and women as equals. Because of sin, the consequences would be that men would try to rule over women . That isn't God's plan.
Men have exploited and abused women through out history because Satan wants to destroy women. Satan hates women and wants them destroyed and uses men to do that.
God set women free, and wants them to live in relationship with Him. We are suppose to each submit to each other, deeming the other more important.
Women are given the same spiritual gifts as men. We are equals.

reply from: faithman

SSSSOOOO according to CM God made a mistake when He inspired this...1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 1Ti 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

reply from: SRUW4I5

when I read the bible it sure sounded like that "God" character hated women and didn't want them to speak... I kinda agree with Faithman about that.
That isn't what the bible says.
God created men and women as equals. Because of sin, the consequences would be that men would try to rule over women . That isn't God's plan.
Men have exploited and abused women through out history because Satan wants to destroy women. Satan hates women and wants them destroyed and uses men to do that.
God set women free, and wants them to live in relationship with Him. We are suppose to each submit to each other, deeming the other more important.
Women are given the same spiritual gifts as men. We are equals.
Women are supposed to submit to their husbands, I didn't see anything about men submitting to their wives. The bible also refers to women as "the weaker partner" which isn't true for everyone.
A good website for it is http://blondesense.blogspot.com/2005/02/god-hates-women.html

As fun as it is arguing about how much "God" and the "Bible" hate women... How about we stop and do something that can help a woman choose not to have an abortion instead?

reply from: ChristianLott2

Which was kind of the point of this entire topic.
According to killermarie, rape is a valid excuse for an abortion. Since a pregnant minor is always considered a rape victim in the eyes of the law yet are not allowed to make a decision to abort, her parents make it for her. Hence, forced abortion.
This is all part of the plan for killermarie. She's got it all laid out.

reply from: Faramir

Which was kind of the point of this entire topic.
According to killermarie, rape is a valid excuse for an abortion. Since a pregnant minor is always considered a rape victim in the eyes of the law yet are not allowed to make a decision to abort, her parents make it for her. Hence, forced abortion.
This is all part of the plan for killermarie. She's got it all laid out.
ATTENTION MARK CRUTCHER
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
A post-abortive woman, who regrets her abortion(s), and who is involved in the pro-life work of counseling and preventing babies from being destroyed by abortion, should be able to post on this board in peace and not be continually harassed and abused.
While it is appreciated that you offer a place for this topic to be discussed, your forum has become a free-for-all, and the most vulnerable, who have stories to tell about the lessons they learned, instead of being encouraged for sharing their stories, are condemned and persecuted.
There is nothing wrong with honest debate and disagreement, but name-calling like "scanc" and "killer," should not be permitted in a civil discussion, and this conduct repels others from joining in this important discussion. And it certainly discourages others who are post-abortive, who might otherwise share the lessons they've learned.
I implore you moderate this forum, at least minimally, and prevent the rampant abusiveness that has been allowed, and which reflects poorly on the pro-life cause.

reply from: ChristianLott2

There you have it folks. Again, cm vouches for forced abortion for young girls. I couldn't have explained it any better myself.
You are TRULY a sick puppy cm and personify faux lifers more than anyone else!

reply from: ChristianLott2

If I didn't know better I'd think cm was carifairy.

reply from: ChristianLott2

You said it. You need to find a way to get your little murderer friend here booted from this forum - with you along with her of course.

reply from: Faramir

You said it. You need to find a way to get your little murderer friend here booted from this forum - with you along with her of course.
Compassionate prolifers will no longer tolerate using post-abortive women as punching bags.
ATTENTION MARK CRUTCHER
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
A post-abortive woman, who regrets her abortion(s), and who is involved in the pro-life work of counseling and preventing babies from being destroyed by abortion, should be able to post on this board in peace and not be continually harassed and abused.
While it is appreciated that you offer a place for this topic to be discussed, your forum has become a free-for-all, and the most vulnerable, who have stories to tell about the lessons they learned, instead of being encouraged for sharing their stories, are condemned and persecuted.
There is nothing wrong with honest debate and disagreement, but name-calling like "scanc" and "killer," should not be permitted in a civil discussion, and this conduct repels others from joining in this important discussion. And it certainly discourages others who are post-abortive, who might otherwise share the lessons they've learned.
I implore you moderate this forum, at least minimally, and prevent the rampant abusiveness that has been allowed, and which reflects poorly on the pro-life cause.

reply from: scopia19822

"You said it. You need to find a way to get your little murderer friend here booted from this forum - with you along with her of course."
You really need to find your way to the insane asylum you clearly are a danger to yourself and others.

reply from: nancyu

Would you suggest suicide among her "choices" as well?
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=5901&enterthread=y&STARTPAGE=2

reply from: yoda

You don't know that letting an innocent baby live is "best"?
You don't know that NOT KILLING A BABY is "best"?
Which side did you say you were on?

reply from: faithman

You don't know that letting an innocent baby live is "best"?
You don't know that NOT KILLING A BABY is "best"?
Which side did you say you were on?
The redefining killer scanc side me thinks.

reply from: yoda

I just can't wrap my mind around a "prolifer" saying they don't know if letting an innocent baby live is "best".........
According to that, killing that innocent baby electively could be the "best"... and a "prolifer" said that?
I just don't get it.....

reply from: faithman

Well don't try to. I don't think anybody has that much mind. According to the faux lifers and bortheads, we don't have much to spare.

reply from: SRUW4I5

A fetus is guilty of being inside of a woman.... So that makes it not innocent.... What exactly is a preborn child innocent of?

reply from: faithman

A fetus is guilty of being inside of a woman.... So that makes it not innocent.... What exactly is a preborn child innocent of?
A fact is not guilt. The child was invited into the womb by the sexual act. A womb child is innocent of malisious intent. The womb child is not out to purp[osely harm anyone. But when you stick your feet in the syrupts three times, you are a malisious serial killer, and no pro-life voice at all.

reply from: micah

Pro-lifers are obsessed with the fetus and sex.

reply from: sk1bianca

if someone drags me on his property and that's the only place in the world i can survive, am i guilty of being there?

reply from: yoda

No, a "fetus" is not guilty of location..... since it had no part in being located there in the first place.
An unborn child is INNOCENT of EVERYTHING.......
Main Entry: in·no·cent Function: adjective1 a : free from guilt or sin especially through lack of knowledge of evil : BLAMELESS <an innocent child> b : harmless in effect or intention http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/innocent

reply from: yoda

Nah, we are obsessed with stopping the SLAUGHTER of four thousand BABIES every day......
Isn't that an odd obsession, I mean from a bortie point of view?

reply from: yoda

According to the bortheads, that is a capital offense.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Compassionate prolifers will no longer tolerate using post-abortive women as punching bags.
What is compassionate about defending a murderer?
You're not pro life, you're a murderer as well!

reply from: ChristianLott2

You are an annoyance to pro lifers and a glittering star for the pro aborts.

reply from: SRUW4I5

There is a difference between being forced somewhere and being there of your own choice. I will give you that much.
A woman doesn't force a fetus into her uterus. She doesn't force it to implant. She doesn't force it to grow and possibly harm her. It forces her to house it within her body and uses her for life support.
Forcing people to do things is wrong so is using someone. It is guilty of that at the very least.
They aren't innocent.
Putting someones life, health, and general well being at risk is evil. As soon as the fetus kicks it is guilty of kicking the woman. So it is guilty of a specific crime. It is not free from harmful effect or cause because it can kill the woman and hurt her.
Now, how exactly does being the opposite of definitions of innocent make a fetus innocent?
The child was not invited into the woman.
I don't think a preborn child being inside a woman fits the definition of scandal.
But, heres that defintion if you want to tell me otherwise.

reply from: ChristianLott2

By who? The parents you mean. Hence, you support forced abortion.
Huh? Doublespeak all summed in one sentence. Who gets to decide? In the end, who's decision is it? The whole family?
You are a liar and not a very good one either.
Where are all the faux lifers like bowelmovement, fear-a-smear, rivermoonie, LibRoachiO, scopia, lukesmom, sheri, churchmouse, Teresa18, Augustine, lycan?
There are a unanimous 13 votes against forced abortion, you've stated you are PRO FORCED ABORTION on young girls - why are they defending you by their silence?
Thanks for telling me I can't know something. Well I'm telling you - you know NOTHING.
hahhahhaaa.
You are twisted. I read your comment about suicide. You are pro suicide as well. Amazing. I guess pro abortion and pro suicide go hand in hand for the worshipers of the culture of death.
All the facts are in folks. She's a pro abort and devious liar. Her doublespeak is plain to see.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Wow, that Faramir is a really sick individual. He calls himself pro life and a christian but he's just a phony liar and murderer.
What a loser.

reply from: SRUW4I5

Back on topic:
Forced abortion is very wrong... Anyone have an idea of a good way to reduce it besides making abortion illegal?

reply from: ChristianLott2

You need to remove your sig. You don't believe it and it makes you appear pro life.

reply from: sk1bianca

i believe forced abortion is a form of abuse. as we know, many cases of abuse remain unknown simply because the victims don't report them.
how many "counselors" actually ASK women if they are pressured to abort? and if they say they are, how many "counselors" actually CARE about it and report it? is there even a punishment for forced abortion?

reply from: yoda

That is just plain SICK. First you proaborts rant and rave about how the unborn should not be protected by law because they do not have "consciousness", and now you are ranting that they "force" themselves into a woman!! That is just plain SICK SICK SICK!!
They DON'T DO THAT, DUMBASSS!!
NATURE is responsible for the gestation process, NOT THE BABY!!
How do you figure out how to get out of bed in the morning???????

reply from: SRUW4I5

You need to remove your sig. You don't believe it and it makes you appear pro life.
I like the quotes in my sig and I do believe them. I'm definately not Pro-Life since I'm only against like 98% of abortions (I thought about it more and changed exceptions I'm good with to life/severe health of the pregnant woman).
I've heard & seen things like what I was posting go unanswered by Pro-Lifers and was curious what kinda response it would get. So I posted it. I was kinda happy to find out it's so disliked.
I still don't see why I'm on a lifer list when I've said the whole time that I'm Pro-Choice.
That is just plain SICK. First you proaborts rant and rave about how the unborn should not be protected by law because they do not have "consciousness", and now you are ranting that they "force" themselves into a woman!! That is just plain SICK SICK SICK!!
They DON'T DO THAT, DUMBASSS!!
NATURE is responsible for the gestation process, NOT THE BABY!!
It isn't nature that is physically inside of the woman causing the risks to her life and health, it is the baby.
I didn't say it forces itself into a woman, I said it forces her to house it and uses her for life support. It does both of those whether you like it or not. I think the preborn should be protected from women being able to abort on a whim. I was posting like a Pro-Abort to get responses to some of the things I've heard true Pro-Aborts saying and never heard a Pro-Life response to. One of the (few) benefits of being friends with some extreme Pro-Aborts is finding out the nutty things they think.

reply from: faithman

You need to remove your sig. You don't believe it and it makes you appear pro life.
I like the quotes in my sig and I do believe them. I'm definately not Pro-Life since I'm only against like 98% of abortions (I thought about it more and changed exceptions I'm good with to life/severe health of the pregnant woman).
I've heard & seen things like what I was posting go unanswered by Pro-Lifers and was curious what kinda response it would get. So I posted it. I was kinda happy to find out it's so disliked.
I still don't see why I'm on a lifer list when I've said the whole time that I'm Pro-Choice.
That is just plain SICK. First you proaborts rant and rave about how the unborn should not be protected by law because they do not have "consciousness", and now you are ranting that they "force" themselves into a woman!! That is just plain SICK SICK SICK!!
They DON'T DO THAT, DUMBASSS!!
NATURE is responsible for the gestation process, NOT THE BABY!!
It isn't nature that is physically inside of the woman causing the risks to her life and health, it is the baby.
I didn't say it forces itself into a woman, I said it forces her to house it and uses her for life support. It does both of those whether you like it or not. I think the preborn should be protected from women being able to abort on a whim. I was posting like a Pro-Abort to get responses to some of the things I've heard true Pro-Aborts saying and never heard a Pro-Life response to. One of the (few) benefits of being friends with some extreme Pro-Aborts is finding out the nutty things they think.
snicker.

reply from: scopia19822

"You are an annoyance to pro lifers and a glittering star for the pro aborts."
Ew that hurt reall hurt@@

reply from: ChristianLott2

As did your speal. You need to spend more time defending the child in the womb and less time defending pro aborts me thinks.

reply from: ChristianLott2

I like the quotes in my sig and I do believe them. I'm definately not Pro-Life since I'm only against like 98% of abortions (I thought about it more and changed exceptions I'm good with to life/severe health of the pregnant woman).
I've heard & seen things like what I was posting go unanswered by Pro-Lifers and was curious what kinda response it would get. So I posted it. I was kinda happy to find out it's so disliked.
I still don't see why I'm on a lifer list when I've said the whole time that I'm Pro-Choice.
You don't make any sense and your quotes could be construed as attempting to imitate the pro life cause. Until you remove the sig and stop saying confusing pro abort/life statements, you will remain on the faux lifer list.

reply from: scopia19822

"As did your speal. You need to spend more time defending the child in the womb and less time defending pro aborts me thinks."
I defend children both born and unborn. I dont believe that like some "faux lifers" that the right to life ends at birth. I dont agree with CMs exceptions, but you seem to forget about that even though I have stated it numerous times. What I am speaking out against is the slander/libel you and your cohorts are committing against her and others who dont agree with your narrow minded worldview which is classic insanity at its best. Do you wear tinfoil on your head to keep the aliens from reading your mind?

reply from: faithman

Please sue me so you will shut up about slander and libel. Actually it is you who has slandered us, as we are merely stating facts in evidence. It is you who has actually accused us of something we have not done.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

It definitely should be.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Faithman has nothing good to offer this forum.

reply from: ChristianLott2

It definitely should be.
Yet why do you continually defend cm, someone who vouches for forced abortions? You don't seem very committed when you take up for such people.

reply from: sk1bianca

the fetus is not living inside his mother INTENTIONALLY. he did not crawl in there by himself so it's not his fault that the woman's body is housing him and supporting his life. he can't be forcing her because he's not even CONSCIOUS of his situation.
pregnancy is a normal and natural consequence of having sex. being upset about a pregnancy is like being upset by the fact that your stomach actually digests the food you eat (healthy or not). the fetus is there because 2 people had sex. he didn't force them to conceive him.
by the way, does anybody know how many pregnancies actually carry serious risks for the woman? (and i don't mean nausea, stretch marks, some pain in the back, a few extra pounds or stuff like that). just being curious...

reply from: faithman

the fetus is not living inside his mother INTENTIONALLY. he did not crawl in there by himself so it's not his fault that the woman's body is housing him and supporting his life. he can't be forcing her because he's not even CONSCIOUS of his situation.
pregnancy is a normal and natural consequence of having sex. being upset about a pregnancy is like being upset by the fact that your stomach actually digests the food you eat (healthy or not). the fetus is there because 2 people had sex. he didn't force them to conceive him.
by the way, does anybody know how many pregnancies actually carry serious risks for the woman? (and i don't mean nausea, stretch marks, some pain in the back, a few extra pounds or stuff like that). just being curious...
What a blessing to here from a real pro-life woman. You are the example we need, not a selfwilled death scanc killer of three that pretends to be pro-life.

reply from: yoda

Whom you choose as "friends" says a lot about you. And it explains, to me at least, why you were "posting like a pro-abort". Anyone who espouses their sentiments belongs with them.

reply from: BossMomma

A fetus in no way forces anything, the woman and man put it in the womb via sexual intercourse, the unborn child has no control of the situation.

reply from: Rosalie

I believe forcing women to continue their pregnancies against their will is a form of abuse. Forced abortion is just as sick and unacceptable as forced gestation. It's quite ironic that for some reason you do not see forcing the woman to continue her pregnancy against her will as the same sort of abuse.

reply from: ChristianLott2

So you would agree that carolemaries statement:
is forced abortion and is wrong? yes or no.

reply from: Rosalie

So you would agree that carolemaries statement:
is forced abortion and is wrong? yes or no.
Yes, I agree with CaroleMarie.
And yes, forced abortion is just as wrong as forced gestation.

reply from: ChristianLott2

So does everyone see now how much a pro abort cm is? Even the loudest mouth confessed pro abort rosalie agrees with her.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Yes, I agree with CaroleMarie.
So then you also agree that parents deciding 'what's best' for their daughter (FORCING HER TO ABORT) above her own wishes is a good thing?

reply from: faithman

Yes, I agree with CaroleMarie.
So then you also agree that parents deciding 'what's best' for their daughter (FORCING HER TO ABORT) above her own wishes is a good thing?http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg

reply from: ChristianLott2

So which is it? Either way she will be forced to do one or the other based on her parents decision. Both are forced.
You and killer claim forced birth and forced abortion are wrong but in this circumstance you've already taken the 'choice' out of the young girls hands and given it to the parents.
The child is not allowed to make the decision. What do you think should happen?


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