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by: micah

Do you believe in creationism or evolution?

reply from: ChristianLott2

who cares? this is a pro life forum!

reply from: Banned Member

Please, please ignore me Faramir! Frankly I have had my fill of dishwater Catholics lately! Ignore me!

reply from: KaylieBee

XFD. Evolution. Suck it, creationfags.

reply from: Banned Member

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters. And God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Yeah! Let's talk about anything except abortion! Micah and fear a smear first!

reply from: Faramir

What is a "dishwater Catholic"?
Do you live in my neighborhood or something? You seem to (think you) know a lot about me.
If I would have to give myself a label, it would be that I am an "Orthodox Catholic."
I accept all that the Church teaches.
Was that Catholic forum you were kicked out of orthodox or heterodox?

reply from: carolemarie

I think that evolution has WAY to many problems.
I go with intelligent design.

reply from: faithman

Actually this has alot to do with abortion. Pro-life: a person is divinly created by purpose, and with intelegent design for life. Pro death: blob of tissue started by accident, and can be killed becaus it has not "evolved" into a person yet. But any excuse will do when you are looking for one.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I believe in both, as Faramir stated.
I believe all life on our planet evolved from single celled organisms, but I also feel that our entire universe was created by God. I believe the universe IS God, actually. He is in everything there is. His influence guided everything. So while yes, we evolved from single cells to ape like creatures to hominids of today, God was also there at work.
If you read through Genesis, it is actually fairly close to the order in which scientists postulate our planet came into existence. Some things are out of order but hey, as I always say, that book has been through a lot.
One of the most interesting things for me is that the first creatures noted are fish: and life is guessed to have started in the ocean. Another interesting and brand new discovery: it's possible that life started deep down in the earth and rocks in mineral-shells filled with water. What was Adam molded from? Earth, clay. Isn't that amazing?!
I believe in evolution 100%. And I believe God designed it to happen exactly as it did.

reply from: BossMomma

I feel that both have merit.

reply from: micah

So if evolution is true, then is abortion okay?

reply from: micah

I don't compliment pro-lifers often, but when you ask them about their position, at least you will get reasons. The creationalist basically says, "The bible says it. I believe it. That settles it."

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Evolution is bogus dude.
Evolution has a lot to do with disrespect for life and is related to the abortion debate.
What a joke; a rock evolved into a human being. Totally whack man.

reply from: micah

So if you believed in evolution, would you be pro-choice?

reply from: AshMarie88

Creationism for pro-lifers, evolution for pro-choicers. Pro-lifers were created, pro-choicers evolved from monkeys. There's my compromise for the day.

reply from: AshMarie88

You believe in magic, I see... Can you do a trick for me?!?!

reply from: faithman

But evolution is not true, and most of the "evidence" has been proven an out right fraud, or the fanciful emaganings of artist playing like scientist.

reply from: faithman

http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=356

reply from: micah

Do you believe in a talking snake?

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Evolution is bogus dude.
Evolution has a lot to do with disrespect for life and is related to the abortion debate.
What a joke; a rock evolved into a human being. Totally whack man.
Where on earth did you get the idea that evolution teaches anything about ROCKS evolving into humans? You apparently never studied evolution at all.
I believe that God created everything that exists in the natural world, but He did it in a way that was NOT literally in a week, but over a long period of time with gradual changes to all organisms.
Maybe He did it that way to confuse scientists.

reply from: scopia19822

Creationism, although I do believe that God gave people and animals the abilty to adapt to their envoirment, which is why you have different races and ethnic groups. You have different breeds of dogs and cats, but whenever it comes down to it a dog is a dog and a cat is a cat.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Not really... a tiger is not a house cat. They are genetically distinct.

reply from: faithman

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS! they post here all the time. Got a mirror?

reply from: scopia19822

"not really... a tiger is not a house cat. They are genetically distinct."
I was talking about domesticated cats and dogs. I have a Siamese/Ragdoll mix and an a DSH. Both are different breeds but when it comes down to it they are both simply cats. A border collie and a yorkie are 2 diffrent breeds of dogs, but still belong to the same species. You have diversity among human beings, however when it comes down to it we are all homo sapiens.

reply from: BossMomma

Why not? We have at least three talking jack asses on this forum.

reply from: faithman

Why not? We have at least three talking jack asses on this forum.
And a couple talking female dumb a$$es. One who is a profetii killer, and one who chooses bad fathers for her children.

reply from: micah

No matter what, you'll still get points in my book for using the term "pro-fetii".

reply from: faithman

When one makes the rope they dangle from....

reply from: Banned Member

There are plenty in the pro-abortion abortion rights movement!

reply from: sk1bianca

if evolution was a bridge i wouldn't walk on it.
too many missing pieces, too many asumptions.

reply from: micah

If you question everything that top scientists have shown again and again through scientific experiments, yet have no problem believing in a talking snake...
you might be a creationist.

reply from: sk1bianca

what you don't undersatnd is that the theory creationists believe in implies a very different world from what we know and what we are able to experiment right now.
as for evolution... like i said. too many ASUMPTIONS.

reply from: Banned Member

For all men were by nature foolish who were in ignorance of God, and who from the good things seen did not succeed in knowing him who is, and from studying the works did not discern the artisan; But either fire, or wind, or the swift air, or the circuit of the stars, or the mighty water, or the luminaries of heaven, the governors of the world, they considered gods. Now if out of joy in their beauty they thought them gods, let them know how far more excellent is the Lord than these; for the original source of beauty fashioned them. Or if they were struck by their might and energy, let them from these things realize how much more powerful is he who made them. For from the greatness and the beauty of created things their original author, by analogy, is seen. But yet, for these the blame is less; For they indeed have gone astray perhaps, though they seek God and wish to find him.
For they search busily among his works, but are distracted by what they see, because the things seen are fair. But again, not even these are pardonable. For if they so far succeeded in knowledge that they could speculate about the world, how did they not more quickly find its LORD? But doomed are they, and in dead things are their hopes, who termed gods things made by human hands: Gold and silver, the product of art, and likenesses of beasts, or useless stone, the work of an ancient hand. A carpenter may saw out a suitable tree and skillfully scrape off all its bark, And deftly plying his art, produce something fit for daily use, and use up the refuse from his handiwork in preparing his food, and have his fill; Then the good-for-nothing refuse from these remnants, crooked wood grown full of knots, he takes and carves to occupy his spare time.
This wood he models with listless skill, and patterns it on the image of a man or makes it resemble some worthless beast. When he has daubed it with red and crimsoned its surface with red stain, and daubed over every blemish in it, He makes a fitting shrine for it and puts it on the wall, fastening it with a nail. Thus lest it fall down he provides for it, knowing that it cannot help itself; for, truly, it is an image and needs help. But when he prays about his goods or marriage or children, he is not ashamed to address the thing without a soul. And for vigor he invokes the powerless; and for life he entreats the dead; And for aid he beseeches the wholly incompetent, and about travel, something that cannot even walk. And for profit in business and success with his hands he asks facility of a thing with hands completely inert. -Wisdom 13

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Yes, we are homo sapiens... what was it you were trying to prove with that though? That we adapt?
Sometimes a species adapts so much it becomes a totally NEW species. That's called evolution. Any adaption at all is natural selection, but when it leads to the development of a genetically distinct species, then it is evolution. This happens a lot.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

No, why would it be?
I rather think evolution points towards abortion being even MORE evil than it already is. Since you're indiscriminately preventing the existence of potentially helpful mutations and adaptions.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I'd walk on it. Waaaay more concrete scientific proof of it than creationism. I haven't heard of a 'hole' yet that wasn't easy to refute.

reply from: scopia19822

"I'd walk on it. Waaaay more concrete scientific proof of it than creationism. I haven't heard of a 'hole' yet that wasn't easy to refute."
I dont think so. Evolution is a theory just like creationism. I am more inclined to believe in creationism because things in this world and the universe are too orderly to have occured by mere chatotic chance. The order of how the human body works, how each system works in harmony with another clearly IMHO supports the idea of a Creator. Im not saying that the earth/universe is only 6,000 years old but I dont believe that I or any other human beings evolved from Apes.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

"Chaotic chance" is a lot more orderly than you think. Experiments have shown how things can become orderly out of seeming chaos. Why, we have even created the primordial proteins that are the building blocks of life, using the same chemical atmospheric conditions from our planet's early times!

reply from: scopia19822

"Chaotic chance" is a lot more orderly than you think. Experiments have shown how things can become orderly out of seeming chaos. Why, we have even created the primordial proteins that are the building blocks of life, using the same chemical atmospheric conditions from our planet's early times!"
I have to disagree with you Lib. While I believe species can adapt to be able to survive in their enviorment, I dont believe I came from an ape or evolved out some chaotic chance. I believe there is more evidence to support a Creator, than just coming into being by pure chaotic chance. If we are just here by mere chance than what is the purpose of us being here?

reply from: galen

If God created darwin/ evoution, then how could it be wrong? And by the way when did any of us read God's mind...?
If you belive in God and his omnipitance then ANYTHING even evolution theory is possible.

reply from: scopia19822

"If you belive in God and his omnipitance then ANYTHING even evolution theory is possible."
The whole purpose of darwinistic evolution is to discredit the role/existance of God.Im not a young earth creationist. However, I dont believe that I evolved from apes, lemurs or whatever creatures we are supposed to have evolved from. I believe human are the same species today that was created originally, minus the adaption changes made to survive in their enviorment. That is why we have the different racial and ethinic groups. A person living in Africa needed more pigmentation to be able to survive the being in the hot sun, that is why people whos ancestors came from Afirca are black. Whereas someone who was living in Europe in a more colder enviorment did not need so much pigmentation to survive there are white and we have various other ethnic groups as well. However if you compare the DNA of a white, black or asian person, while there will be differences, it will be clear that all are human, hence all belong to the same species. The same thing can be said of dogs, cats and birds. I also believe in the possibilty that some species of dinosaurs may have survived. There have been many sightings in lakes around of the world of creatures that are compared to the so called Lochness Monster, which from what I can gather could possibly be a species of dinosaur called a Plesosaurus (sp). I also believe that there is possibly an undiscovered species of ape commonly called bigfoot in America or Yeht in Asia, which most likely is a species called Gigania Pithicus that has been thought to be exctinct. I also believe that their is life on other planets, something the Church acknowledges the possibilty of. Many will call me crazy, but I believe these things are possible and all life in the universe was created by God.

reply from: galen

wrong the whole thing was that Darwin wanted to explain HOW God does what He does... not to say that God did not exsist. He never stopped believing in God .. he just threw out the Protestant/ Anglican version of God.

reply from: JRH

This is false. He became an agnostic later in his life and abandoned religion of any sort.

reply from: JRH

Then you are denying reality.
I don't think you are crazy. I do think that you do not understand what evolution is. There are many Christians who accept it, and in the scientific community there is no debate about whether evolution occurred or not. The only real debate focuses on the little details.

reply from: faithman

Then you are denying reality.
I don't think you are crazy. I do think that you do not understand what evolution is. There are many Christians who accept it, and in the scientific community there is no debate about whether evolution occurred or not. The only real debate focuses on the little details.
This is where you are absolutly wrong. There is a huge debate in science whether evolution occurred. Particularly in the fields of biology, and physics. It's just evolution punks like you try to dismiss it. Evolution is a fraud . and has scientificly be proven such Evolution scum is just as godless and low life as abortion scum, and actually climed out of the same primortial ooze.

reply from: JRH

Link me to one legitimate peer reviewed article which questions the validity of evolution. It must be in a respected peer reviewed journal.
Then you are denying reality.
I don't think you are crazy. I do think that you do not understand what evolution is. There are many Christians who accept it, and in the scientific community there is no debate about whether evolution occurred or not. The only real debate focuses on the little details.
This is where you are absolutly wrong. There is a huge debate in science whether evolution occurred. Particularly in the fields of biology, and physics. It's just evolution punks like you try to dismiss it. Evolution is a fraud . and has scientificly be proven such Evolution scum is just as godless and low life as abortion scum, and actually climed out of the same primortial ooze.

reply from: galen

This is false. He became an agnostic later in his life and abandoned religion of any sort.
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didn't i just say that... ?agnostics do not deny a higher power they do however deny anyone can proove it...
read up on this man you seem to have a bit more misinformaion.. some of his last writings and letter to friends and his sister deal with his understanding of God.
he also seems to have assumed he was about to find out one way or the other... read more it improves your mind.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

You can disagree but the evidence is clear. How do you explain a virus evolving otherwise? Mutations are incredibly random. You didn't evolve from an ape; ALL modern hominids (including modern pages, gorillas and monkeys) evolved from an ape-LIKE ancestor.
And like I said, I don't believe it was by "pure chaotic chance", or did you miss that?

reply from: JRH

This is false. He became an agnostic later in his life and abandoned religion of any sort.
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didn't i just say that... ?agnostics do not deny a higher power they do however deny anyone can proove it...
read up on this man you seem to have a bit more misinformaion.. some of his last writings and letter to friends and his sister deal with his understanding of God.
he also seems to have assumed he was about to find out one way or the other... read more it improves your mind.
It was proved that he did not convert and that all of those people lied. You deal in misinformation so I would not expect you to parrot anything else.

reply from: micah

You mean from pubmed or something like that? So an AnswersInGenesis.com article won't count?

reply from: scopia19822

A"LL modern hominids (including modern pages, gorillas and monkeys) evolved from an ape-LIKE ancestor. "
No we didnt I dont believe that. Are you familar with the laws of biogenis? It is the law that states each produces after there on kind. Another species cant change into another with the way chromosomes are it would be physically impossible. Are we related to ape, yes but we didnt come from an ape like creature. That suggests that a Creator used a similar body plan for different species. I am really interested in the feild of cryptozoology and I am interested in things like Big Foot and the Loch Ness Monster. I dont think big foot is some sort of human/ape hybrid, but is a species of ape we thought was extinct called Giganta Pithicus and The loch ness monster and other creatures are most likely a species of dinosaur callled a Plesosaurus.

reply from: Rosalie

You need some bigger purpose for your being here? Why? And what is that purpose, according to you?

reply from: micah

Just because something can be phrased in the form of a question does not make it a valid question. For example, "What is the sound of the color orange", or "what is the purpose of a mountain", or "what's the volume of a square" are not valid questions.
There can be purpose in life, but there is no such thing as a purpose of life.

reply from: scopia19822

"You need some bigger purpose for your being here? Why? And what is that purpose, according to you?'
That is a question that has been asked for millenia by mankind . What is the purpose of life? What is ones purpose to be here?
When one has a belief in a Creator, that question while difficult to answer is more easily answered than not having a belief in a Creator IMHO. What is my purpose in being here? . I think alot of it is telling my abortion story and making sure it doesnt happen to any other women and girls. To be the best wife to my husband and the best mother to my son that I can be. But above all to serve Christ, the Church and to help ease the suffering of my fellow man.

reply from: scopia19822

"Just because something can be phrased in the form of a question does not make it a valid question."
Who are you to say what is a valid question or not. Whats the purpose of life is one that has been asked my mankind since he dawn of time.

reply from: Rosalie

I still don't understand why you would need the bigger purpose. What for? Do you consider your life worthless if it doesn't have a God-given purpose?

reply from: scopia19822

"I still don't understand why you would need the bigger purpose. What for? Do you consider your life worthless if it doesn't have a God-given purpose?"
I consider my life a gift from God and I feel that I should use that gift of life and the talents/abilties hes given to serve Him and to serve others. I am a humantarian at heart. I hate to see suffering and I do what ever I can to help others. It just part of my nature of who I am.

reply from: micah

Then you must be more moral than God.

reply from: Rosalie

Women who would be forced by the likes of oyu to continue their pregnancies against their will WOULD suffer. Not a humanitarian approach.
I don't think I will get another answer from you but I'm still not sure if you've actually answered what I asked. I mean, you still haven't told me why you even NEED some bigger purpose.

reply from: scopia19822

"Then you must be more moral than God. "
No I just try to live as Christlike a life as I can. That is what Christians are commanded to do.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Women who would be forced by the likes of oyu to continue their pregnancies against their will WOULD suffer.
When I see women being forced to carry past-term I'll let you know.

reply from: scopia19822

"When I see women being forced to carry past-term I'll let you know."
I carried 42 weeks the doc wouldnt induce labor until then. Term I believe is 40 weeks, damn her for FORCING me to carry for an extra 2 weeks.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

It is occasionally done if the child needs more time to mature. But your body knew when it needed to deliver. 40 weeks is an AVERAGE. More time is not necessarily bad. The "forcing" is a reference to forcing a woman not to deliver even if she is in labor.

reply from: scopia19822

"It is occasionally done if the child needs more time to mature. But your body knew when it needed to deliver. 40 weeks is an AVERAGE. More time is not necessarily bad. The "forcing" is a reference to forcing a woman not to deliver even if she is in labor.
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I was being sarcastic in reference to Rosalies post that you replied too. Damn that doc for forcing me to have to go pee every 5 seconds for 2 additional weeks, damn her to hell and back. LOL

reply from: BossMomma

You'd have loved my doctor, with my first daughter Rowynn she induced me at 39 weeks so I could go back to work before I fell off the books.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Then you would also agree that it would be horrible to force a woman to stay pregnant! So do I...
Thankfully, the human body is capable of giving birth when it is ready all on its own. Unless you 'stop' that process, you cannot "force" a woman to stay pregnant.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I know But I was clarifying for her so she would understand that your situation wasn't actual force as she's implying. There was no doctor tying you to a bed or whatever.

reply from: scopia19822

"I know But I was clarifying for her so she would understand that your situation wasn't actual force as she's implying. There was no doctor tying you to a bed or whatever."
Yep that damn doc tied me to a bed and made me pee in a bed pan. LOL

reply from: LiberalChiRo

You most certainly can if she doesn't want to remain pregnant and there are controls in place to restrict her will to abort. Fortunately, that's not the case, but if you remove one choice out of two, then she is forced to remain pregnant against her will.
If everyone sat around and did nothing, there is no way a woman could spontaneously cause herself to abort, if she just sat there. It just can't happen. Inactivity is the opposite of force, we can agree on that? So if, during inactivity the woman is STILL PREGNANT, then clearly she's not being "forced" to "stay" pregnant.
You can't "force" me to have white skin; that's my biology. You can't "force" me to have blue eyes; that's my biology. We're not talking about modifications here. But if I were to modify, I would have the right to do so as long as I didn't kill someone in the process.
Abortion DOES kill someone in the process. Your rights stop where the child's body begins.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

XD I don't believe you hahaha

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Phew, thankfully you don't get to decide where my rights end. By the way, they don't.
By the way they DO, that's US law. You do not have the right to do ANYTHING that harms anyone else. It's called assault and murder.

reply from: Rosalie

What does carrying past-term have to do with all this?
And do you really NOT know that many doctors actually ARE reluctant inducing childbirth even though the woman IS already past her due date? Regardless, it has nothing to do with the argument. I suggest you re-read what you were replying to.
Except not. The forcing is taking away women's rights to discontinue their pregnancies. If a woman has a choice to continue the pregnancy or have an abortion and you take away one of the choices, for whatever reason, you are forcing her to accept the other option. If you take away her choice to continue the pregnancy, you're forcing her to have an abortion. If you take away her choice to abort the pregnancy, you're forcing her to continue the pregnancy.
I think you can grasp that perfectly well and that you are just playing this thing because in your mind, this is some sort of an argument.
I thought you were smarter than that.
I hope I shall live to see the day when you will make a valid analogy. That was not good even as sarcasm.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

What does carrying past-term have to do with all this?
Forcing her to "stay' pregnant, of course! One of the biggest pro-choice claims.
Nope, don't need to... you seem to think pro-lifers run around forcing women to stay pregnant. In fact they do not. The child knows when it is time to come out, so if you want to blame anyone, blame the child. But not pro-lifers. And it's silly to blame the child too.
Except not. The forcing is taking away women's rights to discontinue their pregnancies.
OOOH so there we have it. Pro-lifers are forcing women not to PREMATURELY end their pregnancies in a process that kills their child!! THAT'S the truth.
Yes, because not killing children is a horrific proposition.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

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- noun
1. a sudden, violent attack; onslaught: an assault on tradition.
2. Law . an unlawful physical attack upon another; an attempt or offer to do violence to another, with or without battery, as by holding a stone or club in a threatening manner.
3. Military . the stage of close combat in an attack.
4. rape 1 .
- verb (used with object)
5. to make an assault upon; attack; assail.
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mur?der
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- noun
1. Law . the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).
2. Slang . something extremely difficult or perilous: That final exam was murder!
3. a group or flock of crows.
- verb (used with object)
4. Law . to kill by an act constituting murder.
5. to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously.
6. to spoil or mar by bad performance, representation, pronunciation, etc.: The tenor murdered the aria.
- verb (used without object)
7. to commit murder.
- Idioms
8. get away with murder, Informal . to engage in a deplorable activity without incurring harm or punishment: The new baby-sitter lets the kids get away with murder.
9. murder will out, a secret will eventually be exposed.
10. yell or scream bloody murder,
a. to scream loudly in pain, fear, etc.
b. to protest loudly and angrily: If I don't get a good raise I'm going to yell bloody murder.
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I can't see how abortion ISN'T either of those things.


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