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Wafa Sultan fights for a woman's right to choose

Wafa Sultan yearns for women's freedoms and the right to choices

by: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Wafa Sultan expressed her views unequivocally stating:
" "I have decided to fight Islam; please pay attention to my statement; to fight Islam, not the political Islam, not the militant Islam, not the radical Islam, not the Wahhabi Islam, but Islam itself...Islam has never been misunderstood, Islam is the problem....(Muslims) have to realize that they have only two choices: to change or to be crushed."[11]
YouTube clip of Wafa Sultan making the above statements and other arguments in defense of breaking free from the chains put on people by the wicked Muhammad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up3yuQDAWKQ

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

I thought Wafa was a true example of reaching for legitimate women's rights and choices. We're not talking about babykilling as being a liberating and empowering experience. But Wafa wants to be able to go uptown without a chaperon and being called a whore. She wants to feel the sun on her face without being beaten by the Taliban with sticks for not wearing the proper covering. She wants pre-teen girls to be free from arranged marriage to middle-aged men.
Wafa saw one of her college professors machine gunned down with possibly hundreds of bullets pentrating his body. The killing took place in a classroom to the shouts of "Allah is Greatest". Wafa has now rejected Islam. Muhammad was clear, "Anyone who rejects his faith, kill him." There is no freedom for people to walk away from Islam, only assassination awaits. In fact, the term assassins come from a group of Muslims who murdered people.
Let's get rid of this filthy dirty murdering Islam. We don't tolerate murderous pedophile terrorists like Muhammad. Reject his way. Muhammad was possessed by a demon and was a child of Satan.

reply from: scopia19822

The Afganis are a tribal people, like the Bedioun Arabs of the Arabian Peninsula. These are tribal customs not Islamic. The Koran commands Muslim women to cover their bodies and thier hair. In 1st Corinthians 11:5-7 mandate that a woman wear a headcovering as well. I always wear a headcovering when I go to mass and sometimes when I leave the house, as I am trying to adopt covering my hair when I leave the house. As a married woman I feel that I should do that and my husband has been supportive in this effort, glad in fact. I agree that women in Islamic countries are being denied their full rights as stated in the Koran in favor of tribal customs and many Muslim femininsts are fighting for those rights for Muslim women.

reply from: scopia19822

"Oh yeah...
It's not like you ever hear about Christian pedophiles, and we all know good peaceful Christians like Bruce Pardo, who served as an usher every week at Holy Redeemer Catholic Church."
You have good and bad people in every religion. The most severe case of child abuse I heard was a Baptist minister and his wife who "adopted" a girl and then used her as a family slave, and she was subjected to extreme physical and sexual abuse. She even was on 20/20. I will do a google search and post information as soon as I have it. In my experince it is Fundamentalists Protestants who are more apt to physically abuse their children than any other religious group.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

The Bible says a woman's hair is given her for a covering. The Bible says it is a shame for a woman to have short hair and for a man to have long hair. A woman is not to enter the Church with her hair shorn (shaved, cut short).
The Bible says nothing about a woman putting anything over hear head other than her hair.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

The oppression of women in Islam:
Taliban Threatens to Blow Up Girls' Schools, Shoot Children if Schools Stay Open
Friday, December 26, 2008
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Taliban militants are threatening to blow up all girls' schools in the war-ravaged Swat district of Afghanistan, promising to attack schoolgirls if the buildings are not shut down within a month.
In an announcement made in mosques and broadcast on radio, the militant group set a deadline of January 15 for its order to be obeyed. It also told women not to set foot outside their homes without being fully covered.
"Female education is against Islamic teachings and spreads vulgarity in society," Shah Dauran, leader of a group that has established control over a large part of Swat district in the North West Frontier Province, declared this week.
Teachers said that they had little choice but to comply. The Taliban have destroyed more than 125 girls' schools in the area in the past year. Swat, once a relatively liberal area and a popular tourist destination, has in the past few years become a heartland for Pakistan's Islamic militancy, which fashions itself on the conservative Taliban movement in Afghanistan.
The militants have also prohibited immunization for children against polio -- claiming that a U.N.-sponsored vaccination drive is aimed at causing sexual impotence -- causing a sharp rise in cases of the disease.

reply from: 4given

Alright I have been told that it is a sin to for a woman to have a shaven head. Where exactly does it say this? Where does the Bible reference men and long hair?

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Alright I have been told that it is a sin to for a woman to have a shaven head. Where exactly does it say this? Where does the Bible reference men and long hair?
This is a trivial item. My previous post that Islamists are going to shoot girls dead for going to school is a much weightier manner. Also the fact that Islamists beheaded girls going to Christian schools in Posi, Indonesia.
However, your answer is Corthinians 11:14-15 "Does not even nature itself teach you that if man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her for a covering."
Back to that h@llh*l# called Islam. Besides outrageous behavior by Islamists in the Gaza strip, the country of Somalia has been possibly the most backward place in the world. Half of Somalians are dependent on food aid. This war torn country's native Somalians are nearly 100% Muslim. A Fox News article about this cesspool is below. The people are crazy, crazy, crazy. They kill and murder each other. They disrupt food cultivation and distribution.
Rival Islamist Militias Clash in Bloody Struggle for Somalia
Saturday, December 27, 2008
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MOGADISHU, Somalia - Clashes between two rival Islamist militias in a central Somali town have killed at least 10 people, witnesses said Saturday, as speculation continued over whether the president the ineffectual U.N.-backed government would resign.
Resident Ali Haji Dalal said she had counted 10 people killed in Saturday's fighting in the town of Guriel. Eight of the dead were fighters. Salad Nur, a nurse at a hospital in the town, said a mortar landed in the emergency department, wounding six people.
Resident Abdi Aden Yare said that in the fighting a local militia seized back control of Guriel from the extremist Islamist group al-Shabab.
Al-Shabab, which translates as "the youth", is the most militant of a range of Islamist militias who have fought the government in the past two years. The Islamists now control most of central and southern Somalia but they are not united. One faction has signed a peace deal with the tottering U.N.-backed government but other factions, including al-Shabab, have continued to fight.
Al-Shabab have made the greatest territorial gains in the past few months and Ethiopian troops supporting the government are expected to pull out within days after a two year deployment.
The local group in Guriel, Ahlu-sunah Wal-jamea, also describes itself as an Islamic militia and promotes Muslim practices but has no ties to the government or the wider Islamic insurgency. The militia, made up mostly of local residents, lost control of the town to al-Shabab a few weeks ago.
The United States worries Somalia could become a haven for terrorist groups and says some leaders of al-Shabab have links to Al Qaeda.
The continued violence underscores the inability of the transitional government to bring even basic security to the country after two years in power. Instead, officials have spent much of their time fighting each other.
Aides to Somali President Abdullahi Yusuf had said he would resign Saturday. The 74-year-old former warlord had tried to fire the reformist prime minister but backed down this week in the face of international condemnation and lack of support from legislators.
But Yusuf did not address a special session of parliament on Saturday as planned and in recent days other aides have issued denials he will step down. Parliamentary speaker Sheik Aden Mohamed Nur said the session would be held on Monday instead.
Any resignation may not have an immediate impact on the violence, since the government only controls a few blocks of the capital and the parliamentary seat of Baidoa.
Some analysts hope it will strengthen the hand of the prime minister, a former humanitarian who has welcomed talks with the opposition and tried to tackle human rights abuses committed by government forces.
But other analysts fear Yusuf could retreat to his northern stronghold of Puntland and rally members of his clan - one of Somalia's largest - to attack signatories of the tattered peace deal, including the faltering administration.
The infighting has prevented the government from addressing the strengthening Islamic insurgency or the plight of the Somali people. Around half of population of 7 million is currently dependent on food aid.
The impoverished Horn of Africa nation has not had a functioning government since warlords overthrew a socialist dictator in 1991.

reply from: yoda

In my opinion, she is not long for this world if she shows up in ANY Moselm nation.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

In my opinion, she is not long for this world if she shows up in ANY Moselm nation.
This is what happened to a girl who dared to attend a Christian school in Indonesia. As you may be aware, wherever Islam bumps up against other societies and starts to gain the upper hand this is the result:
http://brianakira.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/christian_schoolgirls_beheaded_in_poso_3.jpg

If girls try to attend school they are shot. If boys or girls try to attend Christian schools they are beheaded. If women fail to wear their covering they are beaten and arrested. Recently, a Muslim girl was killed for refusing to wear a scarf - an "honor killing" by the family. And for people like Wafa Sultan, Muhammad declared, "Whoever abandonds his faith, kill him." One or more Muslim nations has the death penalty for forsaking the Muslim faith.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

I see your picture of Jonestown. Jesus told his students to put their weapons away. Muhammad was a terrorist who declared, "I have been made victorious with terror!" There is a difference between the teachings and behavior of Christ and the teachings and behavior of Muhammad.
Jim Jones' wife tried to warn her children that Jim was a delusional madman, but they did not take her seriously. Anybody that takes part in practice suicide kool-aid drinking drills in the months leading up to the actual event was not thinking clearly.

reply from: Rosalie

Unbelievable.
You realize it's 2008, not 1888, right? Why are you so ashamed of being a woman?
Which is just another proof of how obsolete and nonsensical this book is.
It's more of an ancient, misogynistic attempt to control women and what they do.
It's so upsetting and frightening that 2,000 years later, there are still women who fall for this anti-women tripe.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Unbelievable.
You realize it's 2008, not 1888, right? Why are you so ashamed of being a woman?
Which is just another proof of how obsolete and nonsensical this book is.
It's more of an ancient, misogynistic attempt to control women and what they do.
It's so upsetting and frightening that 2,000 years later, there are still women who fall for this anti-women tripe.
Men and women were given different roles. Men are not to deceive by wearing women's clothing. Women are not to deceive by wearing men's clothing. On America's Most Wanted last night was a mother whose daughter was raped and murdered. The mom was wearing man's clothing and had a butch shaven head and some stubble on the chin. A person really could not tell if it was a man called a "mom" or a mom giving the appearance of being a man. I believe in clearly defined roles and in not obsuring the delineation between the sexes.

reply from: scopia19822

"'Unbelievable.
You realize it's 2008, not 1888, right? Why are you so ashamed of being a woman?"
It is not matter of behaving like someone from a past time, It is a matter of practicing modesty and chastity something that you dont fully understand obviosly. Funny thing about choice if it is something you dont agree with than it is wrong. It is MY choice to cover my head when I go to Mass or leave the house it is something that I want too do as modest married woman. I am proud to be a woman and do not wish to dress immodestly in public, showing everything I have and leaving me to be viewed as a sex object by men. If I were to dress in 2 hankerchiefs and a loin cloth and nothing else the media would have you to think I am proud to be a woman. When in fact that is far from the truth. Instead by doing so women are becoming slaves the lust of men. What is so offensive to you about a headcovering or modest dress? I find it very liberating actually. I even have a couple of hijabs that were given to me by a Muslim friend of mine and I wear them on very cold days to keep my head warm. I am not oppressed or ashamed, this is something I CHOOSE to do.

reply from: Rosalie

So what now, wearing pants is a sin?
I understand it but for the most part I don't think these are such good traits at all.
First of all, pro-choice refers to reproductive choice. I somehow do not see how this is a reproductive choice. Second of all, I never said it was wrong. I think it is obsolete and that it suggests very non-feminist standards by assuming that there's something wrong or sinful about our appearance.
Then maybe we have a very different idea of what is immodest.
I do not support the concept of immodesty in this context at all. I think it's outdated and used to shame women for how they look.
You are exaggerating unnecessarily.
By dressing fashionably? Well, this only soldifides my opinion on your outdated understanding of fashion and women issues.
I have already explained to you that it is not offensive to me, only obsolete. Or maybe you just have no taste and can't dress yourself and this is why you're covering yourself.

reply from: scopia19822

"I think it is obsolete and that it suggests very non-feminist standards by assuming that there's something wrong or sinful about our appearance. "
Well I am not a feminist Rosalie. I believe that women should be equal in the eyes of the law and should have the same access to education and jobs as men. Abortion has made us less than equal to men, employers still use the ability to procreate as a reason to hire or fire or refuse to promote women of childbearing age or those who become pregnant.
"By dressing fashionably? Well, this only soldifides my opinion on your outdated understanding of fashion and women issues. "
Opinions are like butt hole, every one has one and it stinks. I dress modestly, yet fashionably. I just dont wear shorts, short skirts, low cut tight shirts and tops and tight pants. I usually wear nice trendy loose fitting shirts like the ever popular peasant tops, nice sweaters and blue jeans or long skirts. I just dont want to expose cleavage and my legs, that is a personal preferance. Hell far I even wear make up and jewlery. I just like the idea of covering my hair with a nice scarf when I leave the house or when I go to Mass. I CHOOSe to do it. What is considerable fashionable in the media are short short tight skirts, low cut tops that leave nothing to the imagination. I am rather amply blessed in breasts area and when I used to dress in the latest fads men would always look at my chest. never at my face. Some women would stare too, although I dont know if they were lesbian or just startled. But now when I dress modestly people talk to me and look in my face not at my boobs. I am conveying the message that I am not available and that I am a person who deserves to be treated and looked at with respect. Not as a sex object with no thoughts and feelings of my own.

reply from: micah

One thing I find interesting is that most Islamic countries tend to be pro-life (Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc). On the other hand, most traditionally Christian countries or countries that are USA allies tend to be pro-choice (UK, France, Germany, Canada, etc).
Here's a map of the world by the legality of abortion if you're interested:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/AbortionLawsMap.png

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Alright I have been told that it is a sin to for a woman to have a shaven head. Where exactly does it say this? Where does the Bible reference men and long hair?
That's a very interesting question.
Orthodox Jewish women in the most strict groups shave their heads and wear wigs. Mennonite, Brethren and Amish women wear various hairstyles (Amish women always wear their hair up in a bun, the others may have it braided, in a bun or simply hanging down or pulled back in a barrette or ponytail) and they wear different styles of head coverings depending on their specific churches. There are also a number of other Protestant groups who choose to wear a covering of some sort, often a small triangular scarf.
Catholic women used to HAVE to wear veils; now most of them go to Mass bareheaded. Jewish women wear head coverings in the temple. It seems that every sect has different rules.
I'm waiting to hear what others have to say on this subject.

reply from: scopia19822

"Catholic women used to HAVE to wear veils; now most of them go to Mass bareheaded. Jewish women wear head coverings in the temple. It seems that every sect has different rules"
In some of the basilcas and cathedrals women have to wear long skirts and a headcovering. If you want to visit the Basilca of the Assumption in Baltimore or St Perters in Rome this is mandatory. However they have nuns there that will rent you a skirt and headcovering for 5.00 or so if you arent dressed right. Married Jewish women usually cover their hair and I have adopted that belief for myself when leaving the house.

reply from: Rosalie

Trust me, I noticed that you were not a feminist. I noticed that women and women rights mean basically nothing to you.
You are wrong about abortion but since I'm already used to you parroting whatever you have been taught instead of making your own opinions and chalenging them, I'm not surprised
I find it laughable, obsolete and harmful when considering body image issues that you should say these things are somehow wrong. But yeah, I forgot, you don't care about women.
Hint: the overwhelming majority of long skirts is not trendy/fashionable.
I don't care how you dress. That IS your choice and I honestly don't care.
What I care about is that you spout that everyone who wears skinny jeans and low-cut tops is a whorebag who is selling to men who should be "designed only for husband's eyes to see". That's no right, it's incredibly obsolete and it's wrong on so many levels.
Oh PLEASE. Women can appreciate other women's beauty without being lesbians or being startled.
You sound like you have self-esteem issues.
See? Just another example of how incredibly obsolete you are.
And again. You are saying that people who make fashion choices different from yours are not worthy of respect. And that all who dress fashionably and do not care about long skirts and turlenecks are sex-obsessed sl*ts who want/deserve to be treated like sex objects.
THIS is what I have a problem with. What kind of a woman are you? Don't answer that, that was a rhetorical question. I know exactly what kind of a woman you are.

reply from: BossMomma

The Bible says a woman's hair is given her for a covering. The Bible says it is a shame for a woman to have short hair and for a man to have long hair. A woman is not to enter the Church with her hair shorn (shaved, cut short).
The Bible says nothing about a woman putting anything over hear head other than her hair.
My hair is cut to my ear lobes yet no one in my church ever says anything about it. Lots of Godly women have short hair just because it's easier to deal with. I've never had hair longer than shoulder length.

reply from: scopia19822

"Trust me, I noticed that you were not a feminist. I noticed that women and women rights mean basically nothing to you. "
Once again you ASSumed wrong.
"You are wrong about abortion but since I'm already used to you parroting whatever you have been taught instead of making your own opinions and chalenging them, I'm not surprised"
Isnt that the pot calling the kettle black. You are on here all of the time spewing the choice lobby rhetroic. I was taught how to think and my opinions are purely my own. You are the one that is wrong about abortion. It kills a human being and nobody especially a parent should have the right of life or death of their children born or unborn. This isnt the days of ancient Rome or Sparta where if a baby was deemed imperfect it was left out to die of exposure. Of course it was us evil Christians that would take these babies in and eventually got the practice outlawed. It was also the Christians that stopped the Hindu practice of forcibly putting a widow upon her husbands funeral pyre , hence burning them alive.
"Hint: the overwhelming majority of long skirts is not trendy/fashionable."
Gee, not trendy and fashionable I noticed recently in several major department store catelogues a fairly large selection of longskirts for the fall and winter. Also where I live it is a very common site. Maybe in places like Miami, LA and San Fransico where the weather is more temperate more warm shorter skirts are more envoge.I even bought a nice midcalf length skirt from Dressbarn last week and they dont sell untrendy or unfashionable clothing
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What I care about is that you spout that everyone who wears skinny jeans and low-cut tops is a whorebag who is selling to men who should be "designed only for husband's eyes to see". That's no right, it's incredibly obsolete and it's wrong on so many levels. "
Its a simple matter you have your preception of reality and I have mine. I did not say that what you are doing is wrong for you. I was simply telling what I do and why. I am a married women and as such dont want to show them parts as you said "designed only for husbands eyes". That is for my personal comfort and my preferance. I own sleeveless shirts that I wear in the summer and sundresses, I simply put a wrap on when I wear the sundresses to cover any cleavage if any that might show. And I never said women who wear skinny jeans and lowcut tops is a whorebag, once again you have proven you love to twist my words around. But the media portrays women as sex objects and I refuse to play into the media stereotype.
"Oh PLEASE. Women can appreciate other women's beauty without being lesbians or being startled. "
Of course they can I do it on a daily basis, but I am more inclined to admire a persons face not their breasts. Someone whos stares at my breast and not my face is not simply admiring ones beauty.
"You sound like you have self-esteem issues."
Once again you are wrong.
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"And again. You are saying that people who make fashion choices different from yours are not worthy of respect. And that all who dress fashionably and do not care about long skirts and turlenecks are sex-obsessed sl*ts who want/deserve to be treated like sex objects. "

Quit twisting my words that is not what I said at all. BTW I hate turtlenecks as I dont like anything on my neck that tight. One can be modest and trendy and fashionable. But wearing low cut tops where your boobs are popping out or skirts so short that one can see your privates is a bit much for even the most tolerant people
"THIS is what I have a problem with. What kind of a woman are you? Don't answer that, that was a rhetorical question. I know exactly what kind of a woman you are"
Oh really what kind is that ? I would love to know.

reply from: BossMomma

They do exist though, I'm in love with long skirts and loose peasant tops, I kinda like the hippy look.

reply from: scopia19822

"They do exist though, I'm in love with long skirts and loose peasant tops, I kinda like the hippy look."
Dammit Boss you aint supposed to look one of them der hippies. You supposed to wear those Little house on the prarie dresses and you need to let that hair grow out. LOL

reply from: Rosalie

Once again, all you can do is post pathetic insults.
I did not assume anything. It's all clear from your posts.
Really? I've been here for about three times since the Holiday Season started.
I was SO surprised to see the majority of you posting throughout Christmas... It's so weird that so many of you prefer posting here to spending time with your family on Holidays.
Have you ever tried to think for yourself?
That's what you are saying and it means virtually nothing to me.
No born or unborn human being has the right to live inside the body of someone else, take their resources and put their health and life at risk against their will.
Well, chances are we shop at different places. Though... you said you were 26, right? You're young. Where DO you shop?
Some, maybe. Not all, though, the tendencies are actually going in the opposite direction now.
And because women put on nice clothes and are attractive does not mean they are supposed to be seen as sexual objects.
Being who you are, dressing the way you want/like without being considered a sexual object ... these are the latest tendencies. You are not helping this at all.
Glancing at someone's breasts does not mean you are degrading them and viewing them as sexual objects.
And it's different from staring and making the woman uncomfortable.
I was not claiming a fact, I was stating my observation.
Do you know what a hyperbole is? Look it up.
I hate to be the one to break the news to you but skirts so short that you can see the girl's panties or lack thereof is NOT fashionable or trendy. In fact, it is frowned upon and considered extremely unbecoming and wrong on every level, FASHION-WISE.
The kind of woman who pops up into your mind when you say, "She is setting the feminist movement back 50 years." The kind of woman who considers feminism a dirty word. The kind of woman who submits to authority instead of being who she is. The kind of woman who recites passages from the Bible instead of learning for herself and creating new opinions, new experience and new perspectives.

reply from: Rosalie

They do exist though, I'm in love with long skirts and loose peasant tops, I kinda like the hippy look.
I didn't say they don't exist! I said most of them are not trendy. There's a very specific lenght of a "long" skirt that is trendy. And yes, paired with a peasant top and some really wonderful stockings and the right kind of boots, it can look absolutely wonderful.
For this season, however, I would definitely recommend a pencil skirt.

reply from: scopia19822

Originally posted by: Rosalie
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"was SO surprised to see the majority of you posting throughout Christmas... It's so weird that so many of you prefer posting here to spending time with your family on Holidays."
Lets see my son is enthralled in the XBOX he got for Christmas and my husband is in bed nursing a bad cold. Right now my son is trying to figure out how to master his new Harry Potter game so Im lucky enough to get him to eat and sleep.
"Have you ever tried to think for yourself?"
Tried? Tried? I dont try I DO think for myself.
"No born or unborn human being has the right to live inside the body of someone else, take their resources and put their health and life at risk against their will."
Such a selfish shrew you are.
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"Well, chances are we shop at different places. Though... you said you were 26, right? You're young. Where DO you shop?"
JC Penny, Target, Rosses, Sears, Parks Belk, Dressbarn when I can afford them , and I find some nice trendy things at thrift shops. Shopping at thrift shops is envogue now because of the economy.
"And because women put on nice clothes and are attractive does not mean they are supposed to be seen as sexual objects."
Let me say this very simply.... one can wear nice cloths , be attractive and modest.
"Glancing at someone's breasts does not mean you are degrading them and viewing them as sexual objects."
Glancing is one thing, staring is another. When I am being talked too I like the person to look at me in the face in the eyes, not at my chest.
"And it's different from staring and making the woman uncomfortable. "
In my experince that has been always been the case.
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"I hate to be the one to break the news to you but skirts so short that you can see the girl's panties or lack thereof is NOT fashionable or trendy. In fact, it is frowned upon and considered extremely unbecoming and wrong on every level, FASHION-WISE."
I think its trashy. I wish people would inform the teenagers of this especially when summer get here.
"The kind of woman who pops up into your mind when you say, "She is setting the feminist movement back 50 years." The kind of woman who considers feminism a dirty word. The kind of woman who submits to authority instead of being who she is. The kind of woman who recites passages from the Bible instead of learning for herself and creating new opinions, new experience and new perspectives."
Do you obey the law, do you pay for the goods you accquire from the store instead of stealing it? Do you report truthfully you income on your tax forms, do you pay your taxes. If you do these things then how orginial are you. You are submitting to the authority of the State. It sounds to me like you are spouting standard atheist feminist liberal rhetoric. I didnt know that athiest had a catechism. The bible says to test all things and find the truth and it says that people will be destroyed for lack of knowledge. SO I do form my own opinions and experience new things, but I have a moral compass that guides my actions.

reply from: Rosalie

I was just surprised at the amount of traffic. That's all.
So far I've only seen you repeat what you have been taught. When you were given something that would challenge your opinion, you'd rather say it's all lies just so you wouldn't have to think about it.
I don't consider concern for my health, life and the well-being of my family selfish AT ALL.
Ahh. Whatever you say. You still don't understand that it's not the clothes but your attitude that bothers me.
Maybe you should experience more, than.
What do taxes and originaly have to do with it? Do you even understand what I was talking about?
I'm not atheist, but nice try. I seriously love people who use these words are insults, when they are, in fact, words of praise.
I wouldn't know, I'm not an atheist.

reply from: scopia19822

"So far I've only seen you repeat what you have been taught. When you were given something that would challenge your opinion, you'd rather say it's all lies just so you wouldn't have to think about it."
Pot meet kettle.

reply from: Rosalie

That we feeble, even for you.

reply from: scopia19822

"That we feeble, even for you."
The truth hurts doesnt it Rosalie. Anytime a prolifer gives you something to challenge yourself you go right back to the prochoice rhetoric spewing the same stuff over and over again. It appears that you are the one that cant think for yourself. I guess when one is presented with an argument that causes you to have to deviate from your script can rather frustrating.

reply from: BossMomma

LOL No chance of that happening. I cut my hair short as a kid because I was a scrapper and didn't give anyone a chance to get a fistful of my hair during a fight (it doesn't hurt me it just pisses me off). I keep it short for the same reason now, in my line of work long hair is risky as an inmate can grab it, he'd have a hard time gripping my short hair (which is not butch btw). As for the long skirts and peasant tops I find them slimming, having babies as close together as I have I've put on more than a few extra pounds. Although when I was younger and had that great hard body I did show it off with hip hugger jeans and belly tops.

reply from: scopia19822

"LOL No chance of that happening. I cut my hair short as a kid because I was a scrapper and didn't give anyone a chance to get a fistful of my hair during a fight (it doesn't hurt me it just pisses me off). I keep it short for the same reason now, in my line of work long hair is risky as an inmate can grab it, he'd have a hard time gripping my short hair (which is not butch btw). As for the long skirts and peasant tops I find them slimming, having babies as close together as I have I've put on more than a few extra pounds. Although when I was younger and had that great hard body I did show it off with hip hugger jeans and belly tops."
My hair is short because it is real thick yet fine (weird) and it gives me headaches if I let it grow out too long. In your line of work shorter hair is more practical than longer hair. I like long denim skirts for everyday wear, especially in the winter, if they were not trendy or fashionable I would not be able to buy them in the department stores. I save the peasant type skirts for summer.

reply from: BossMomma

I'm a few years shy of turning 30 and dress my age, I've no desire to look like a 27 year old teeny bopper. I wear slacks or khaki's or comfortable boot cut jeans. If I wear a strappy shirt I usually wear a blouse over it though I like my loose t-shirts. I don't wear skirts that come up above the knee or really short shorts. I like to look mature, but not old.

reply from: scopia19822

"I'm a few years shy of turning 30 and dress my age, I've no desire to look like a 27 year old teeny bopper. I wear slacks or khaki's or comfortable boot cut jeans. If I wear a strappy shirt I usually wear a blouse over it though I like my loose t-shirts. I don't wear skirts that come up above the knee or really short shorts. I like to look mature, but not old.
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I dont like the teeny bopper look either. My sister is 18 and at times Im embarrassed to be seen wit her when she dresses immodestly. She tends to reveal a bit too much cleavage and when she bends over you get to see all of her "charms". I have some of my prepregnancy clothes in the bottom of my closet. When she comes to stay with me I tend to get them out and have her wear those. She does not like it, but as I told her my house my rules. I dont wear any skirts above midcalf at the shortest. I am very self conscious about showing my legs, I dont wear shorts at all, I love my capris in the summer.

reply from: Rosalie

What truth? You told me no truths and I don't get hurt by things people on the internet say. Do you?
That's a faulty line of thinking. Even people with no taste have the right to buy clothes they like. If what you're saying was true, the worst we'd see around would be women who cannot match up clothes but that's just not true - there are still many women who just don't know how to dress for their shape and age and who can't find their style still.
Long, denim skirts are really folky (too folky) and in 99,9% of cases they appear settled on people. Long, jean skirts are really tasteless, for the most part. The most frequent lenght of skirts these day is to your knee or right above your knee. And as for shapes, the latest fashion is pencil skirts. And of course A-line skirts but they never actually go out of fashion. Check http://www.bananarepublic.com/browse/product.do?cid=5022&pid=620904&scid=620904012 for example.
If you actually look a little into this, you will find that long skirts are, in the overwhelming majority of cases needlessly staid and only extremely limited amount of things look good with them (and I'm talking tops as well as shoes, bags and other accesories). I know only one person who could probably pull it off and look good but she'd have to go extremely grunge/hobo to pull it off without looking like an old lady with no fashion sense.
If you want to see more trends in skirts, http://www.dvf.com/dvf/browse/subcategory.jsp;jsessionid=83CCE1ED0F8E74D3F552FE6345A8FF31?categoryId=SKIRTS has stuff to die for, though her pieces are a little more pricey. http://shop.nordstrom.com/C/2377666/0~2376776~2374327~2374336~2377666?mediumthumbnail=Y&P=1&viewAll=1&origin=styleCollectionPager_numbers&pbo=2377666 has got got so many absolutely wonderful piece, too.
You will notice how flattering the knee or slightly above the knee lenght is. There are like three long skirts in there and they look just atrocious. Especially mid-calf lenght skirts - they look atrocious even on really skinny people. The knee-lenght is simply perfect and always flattering - for every single body shape.
Nowadays there are beautiful and fitting clothes for every single shape of a woman. Sometimes I think there should be classes that would teach women to dress to their shape.
My latest line of work has a lot to do with fashion so I'm quite knowledgable in this respect. Are you?

reply from: BossMomma

What truth? You told me no truths and I don't get hurt by things people on the internet say. Do you?
That's a faulty line of thinking. Even people with no taste have the right to buy clothes they like. If what you're saying was true, the worst we'd see around would be women who cannot match up clothes but that's just not true - there are still many women who just don't know how to dress for their shape and age and who can't find their style still.
Long, denim skirts are really folky (too folky) and in 99,9% of cases they appear settled on people. Long, jean skirts are really tasteless, for the most part. The most frequent lenght of skirts these day is to your knee or right above your knee. And as for shapes, the latest fashion is pencil skirts. And of course A-line skirts but they never actually go out of fashion. Check http://www.bananarepublic.com/browse/product.do?cid=5022&pid=620904&scid=620904012 for example.
If you actually look a little into this, you will find that long skirts are, in the overwhelming majority of cases needlessly staid and only extremely limited amount of things look good with them (and I'm talking tops as well as shoes, bags and other accesories). I know only one person who could probably pull it off and look good but she'd have to go extremely grunge/hobo to pull it off without looking like an old lady with no fashion sense.
If you want to see more trends in skirts, http://www.dvf.com/dvf/browse/subcategory.jsp;jsessionid=83CCE1ED0F8E74D3F552FE6345A8FF31?categoryId=SKIRTS has stuff to die for, though her pieces are a little more pricey. http://shop.nordstrom.com/C/2377666/0~2376776~2374327~2374336~2377666?mediumthumbnail=Y&P=1&viewAll=1&origin=styleCollectionPager_numbers&pbo=2377666 has got got so many absolutely wonderful piece, too.
You will notice how flattering the knee or slightly above the knee lenght is. There are like three long skirts in there and they look just atrocious. Especially mid-calf lenght skirts - they look atrocious even on really skinny people. The knee-lenght is simply perfect and always flattering - for every single body shape.
Nowadays there are beautiful and fitting clothes for every single shape of a woman. Sometimes I think there should be classes that would teach women to dress to their shape.
My latest line of work has a lot to do with fashion so I'm quite knowledgable in this respect. Are you?
ooor we could just let folks dress in a manner that pleases them and quit nit picking at their wardrobe...just a thought.

reply from: 4given

The above statements made to Scopia are an indication as to how superficial some are . The desire to insult other's personal tastes, an indication of equal pettiness.

reply from: Rosalie

Only those who have no idea what is involved in fashion can call it superficial. Naturally, you cannot absolutely let go of your prejudice and ignorance. If you had bothered to go ONE page back, you'd see why we're even having this conversation. I rightly guessed that there will be people offended by fashion and style. It fits the profile.
I suppose having the knowledge of fashion is just as shameful as having a degree, right? Ah, I knew it.
Not really. Why should I? First of all, I'm not nit-picking. I was reacting to the statement that long, jeans skirts are fashionable. Sorry if my knowledge if this field bothers you. But that wasn't the only reason I made that post.
From Scopia's attitude it's quite clear that she thinks that a woman's body is something that should be covered and applies the false sense of modesty to herself and her clothing by submitting to the patriarchal, outdated rule that only your husband's eyes should see your body. Patriarchal standards like this are extremely harmful for body image issues of others, which is why I spoke against it.
And Scopia said herself that she is self-conscious about her legs - and well, the lenght of skirts she said she wore (mid-calf) is making it even worse (it's disproportional). My post above was meant as an advice, not for as an attack - but I suppose if you want to see it as an attack, you'll just see what you want to see.

reply from: yoda

Proaborts have such a wide variety of topics they want to talk about.
Anything at all except killing babies. That one is forbidden to them.

reply from: scopia19822

"Not really. Why should I? First of all, I'm not nit-picking. I was reacting to the statement that long, jeans skirts are fashionable. Sorry if my knowledge if this field bothers you. But that wasn't the only reason I made that post."
What part of the country do you live in? I live in the South actually Appalachia and as a native South Carolinian I cant call this region the real south and what may be stylish where you live may not be so here and I can assure that long skirts from denim to peasant style and all in between are in style here.
"From Scopia's attitude it's quite clear that she thinks that a woman's body is something that should be covered and applies the false sense of modesty to herself and her clothing by submitting to the patriarchal, outdated rule that only your husband's eyes should see your body. Patriarchal standards like this are extremely harmful for body image issues of others, which is why I spoke against it."
I am a married women which means that certain parts of my body, especially the breasts, privates and posterior are for my husbands eyes only. I think you would find most people in our society would agree. As a religious woman I feel the same way about my hair as well. Most married Orthodox Jewish women do as well. This standard does not apply to you or anyone else unless they so choose it or the religion that teaches such.
"And Scopia said herself that she is self-conscious about her legs - and well, the lenght of skirts she said she wore (mid-calf) is making it even worse (it's disproportional). My post above was meant as an advice, not for as an attack - but I suppose if you want to see it as an attack, you'll just see what you want to see."
Every woman has a part of their body they are self conscious about or would like to change. I think my legs are ugly per se, but I feel naked if they are not covered, once again this is a matter of personal preferance and comfort. You say that I am judging women who do not dress like me, but you are the one that is doing so. I know you dont like me I really dont care, but it shows how low you are willing to go by attacking a person who dresses according their personal consciece and to abide by the tenats of their religious beliefs.

reply from: Rosalie

I live in NYC.
Fashion trends are dictated by fashion designers, fashionistas and icons. And the fashion trends they set are worldwide. It's not like pencil skirts and purple are going to be IN for the USA and something else will go for Europe.
There are different styles and of course you are limited by weather and other factors but as a whole, the trends apply worldwide.
If you are at least a little in touch with the fashion world, you should know that.
And who exactly is saying that you should be walking around shirtless and with your bare behind?
As I've been trying to explain to you, it's the body-image in general I am concerned about.
No kidding.
And once again, I'm trying to tell you that fashion can help us by helping us feel better about ourselves and about what we are not satisfied with. If you had actually said what I posted, you'd know that it's (supposed to be) general knowledge that mid-calf lenght is the least flattering on ANY shape and it makes all legs look just weird and disproportional. In other words, you are making it even worse by wearing what you are wearing. I'm sure you will see this as an attack and not an advice, but that's your business.
I don't like what you say. To say I don't like YOU would be wrong because I don't even know you so how could I (not) like you?
You clearly still don't understand what issue I have with your statements regarding your apparel.

reply from: scopia19822

"I live in NYC."
That explains alot. My husband is from Baltimore and I thought people from there are nasty. Give the South anyday. Charleston, Savannah, New Orleans or as I like to say N'orleans. So you have Macys to shop at in the South we have good ol Neiman Marcus.

reply from: Rosalie

Funny, because on their website, Neiman Marcus does have the http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/catalog/templates/SC.jhtml?itemId=cat10330737&parentId=cat17740750&masterId=cat17740747&cmCat= I have been talking about earlier. And they have some really gorgeous http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/catalog/prod.jhtml;jsessionid=XC1YLEDMX3BG4CQAAKSBADI?itemId=prod61860001&parentId=cat13880747&masterId=cat000199&index=2&cmCat=cat000000cat000141cat000149cat000199cat13880747. Mmm.
Neiman Marcus is pretty okay, actually. And to my knowledge, they even carry some Diane von Furstenbeg, Burberry, Vera Wang, Marc Jacobs stuff, which makes NM MORE than just okay. It just takes a little practice and EVERYONE can look really good.

reply from: scopia19822

I am a plus size woman and I have to find clothes that are flattering to my figure, hence I stay away from floral pattern and stripes. A muslim friend of mine shops at an online clothing site for Muslim women called Shukr. I have bought some things from them in the past. They sell "trendy" clothes for Muslim women. I dont think it would fit your definintion of trendy, but I certainly like some of the jeans they sell as well as the skirts and shirts. I have a passion for mideastern fashion.
http://www.shukronline.com/womens-pants.html

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Well, it's fine that you have the option and can choose to wear or not wear Mid-Eastern clothing.
Many Muslim women are required to wear clothing approved by the religious police. If it does not measure up the religious police immediately stop the woman and either give her a lecture on proper attire, beat her with rods, or arrest her and take her to jail.
Oh, and for women or girls that dare attend school, they are threatened with death. Educating women is against the law in many places.

reply from: scopia19822

"Well, it's fine that you have the option and can choose to wear or not wear Mid-Eastern clothing.
Many Muslim women are required to wear clothing approved by the religious police. If it does not measure up the religious police immediately stop the woman and either give her a lecture on proper attire, beat her with rods, or arrest her and take her to jail.
Oh, and for women or girls that dare attend school, they are threatened with death. Educating women is against the law in many places."
Denying girls and education is tribal not Islamic. The Koran encourages all Muslims to seek knowledge hence they are enttiled to an education.. Even nations like Iran and Saudi Arabia have education for women. In Iran 60% of university students are female. As far as the dress code goes, I dont agree with it being compulsary however they are soverign nations who are entitled to make their own laws.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Not laws that infringe upon the basic rights of its citizens. Forcing someone to wear a burka does not protect them, it oppresses them.

reply from: scopia19822

"Not laws that infringe upon the basic rights of its citizens. Forcing someone to wear a burka does not protect them, it oppresses them."
I dont agree with it but I dont agree with interfering in the internal affairs of a soveriegn nation. Look at the mess in Iraq that we have made just by doing that.

reply from: BossMomma

Only those who have no idea what is involved in fashion can call it superficial. Naturally, you cannot absolutely let go of your prejudice and ignorance. If you had bothered to go ONE page back, you'd see why we're even having this conversation. I rightly guessed that there will be people offended by fashion and style. It fits the profile.
I suppose having the knowledge of fashion is just as shameful as having a degree, right? Ah, I knew it.
Not really. Why should I? First of all, I'm not nit-picking. I was reacting to the statement that long, jeans skirts are fashionable. Sorry if my knowledge if this field bothers you. But that wasn't the only reason I made that post.
From Scopia's attitude it's quite clear that she thinks that a woman's body is something that should be covered and applies the false sense of modesty to herself and her clothing by submitting to the patriarchal, outdated rule that only your husband's eyes should see your body. Patriarchal standards like this are extremely harmful for body image issues of others, which is why I spoke against it.
And Scopia said herself that she is self-conscious about her legs - and well, the lenght of skirts she said she wore (mid-calf) is making it even worse (it's disproportional). My post above was meant as an advice, not for as an attack - but I suppose if you want to see it as an attack, you'll just see what you want to see.
I'm self conscious about my belly because of the stretch marks so I wont wear a bikini. That doesn't mean I'm anti-feminist. Scopia is a Catholic and Catholic women generally do dress very modest. I have a few long jean skirts (ankle length) that I make look very good IMO so just because you find them unfashionable it doesn't mean the next woman will. Scopia obviously doesn't want fashion advice so just leave the matter be, she's happy with her current wardrobe.

reply from: scopia19822

"I'm self conscious about my belly because of the stretch marks so I wont wear a bikini. That doesn't mean I'm anti-feminist. Scopia is a Catholic and Catholic women generally do dress very modest. I have a few long jean skirts (ankle length) that I make look very good IMO so just because you find them unfashionable it doesn't mean the next woman will. Scopia obviously doesn't want fashion advice so just leave the matter be, she's happy with her current wardrobe."
Thank you very much Boss. I think we look damn good in our long skirts and I just love my prarie dresses. LOL

reply from: BossMomma

It's about what makes YOU feel good. I've never been especially trendy though I did by some very nice pant and skirt suits for church.

reply from: scopia19822

"It's about what makes YOU feel good. I've never been especially trendy though I did by some very nice pant and skirt suits for church."
Actually I dont own a single praries dress, but I do own half dozen ankle length denim skirts. that I just love. I am beggining to wonder how old Rosalie really is. She claims to be a educated professional woman but she sounds like a teenager to me. How old are you Ro? Your real age?

reply from: BossMomma

Age really has nothing to do with it. My 50 year old mother will spend hours on hair, make up and, wardrobe and only shops at the trendiest stores. I however shop at Walmart, buy sensible decent looking clothes and do not wear make up. I wear very little jewelry and rarely carry a purse. I prefer ankle boots, tennis shoes and, sandles. I don't own a single pair of strappy shoes or high heels.
I was teased throughout all 12 years of school for not being fashionable but it all seemed so shallow and pointless to me, I applied my mind to books rather than looks and I reap the benefits of that choice now.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I decided in 8th grade that vests were the best fashion accessory ever. That did not go over well with everyone else of course. I owned a bazillion vests XD

reply from: BossMomma

I decided in 8th grade that vests were the best fashion accessory ever. That did not go over well with everyone else of course. I owned a bazillion vests XD
My favorites became tank tops and flannel over shirts. I dressed like a boy through much of my childhood, even bought clothes from the boy's department. Rumor started to spread that I was a lesbian until I broke a lesbian's nose for grabbing my ass (I warned her too many times that I wasn't interested.) I even started wearing a wallet on a chain just because the chain made a good weapon. I spiked my hair, dyed it black with red tips, wore costume contacts (the black out contact lenses were my favorites) and at one time even wore sterling silver vampire fangs. I was a goth freak but it was my style.

reply from: 4given

Only those who have no idea what is involved in fashion can call it superficial. Naturally, you cannot absolutely let go of your prejudice and ignorance. If you had bothered to go ONE page back, you'd see why we're even having this conversation. I rightly guessed that there will be people offended by fashion and style. It fits the profile. I suppose having the knowledge of fashion is just as shameful as having a degree, right? Ah, I knew it.
You have no idea as to what other poster's history is. Certainly not mine. I am not on a fashion forum. This is an abortion (PRO-LIFE) forum. It is clear to me that you are judgmental and superficial. Fashion and style has nothing to do with abortion rosalie. Or does it? Is it justifiable to you to abort a child due to maternity fashion? Or the lack therof?

reply from: 4given

I was at one time called that. I also was gifted with a wallet on a chain, but that is pretty clear to a potential thug... where the money is. You seem to have a history of breaking noses. Did you, as a pro-choicer, find it acceptable that women abort their children for superficial reasons, such as "looking good in a bikini"?

reply from: BossMomma

I was at one time called that. I also was gifted with a wallet on a chain, but that is pretty clear to a potential thug... where the money is. You seem to have a history of breaking noses. Did you, as a pro-choicer, find it acceptable that women abort their children for superficial reasons, such as "looking good in a bikini"?
I didn't really find elective abortion acceptable per se', I just felt it was none of my business and it was of no great importance in my life.

reply from: scopia19822

"I was teased throughout all 12 years of school for not being fashionable but it all seemed so shallow and pointless to me, I applied my mind to books rather than looks and I reap the benefits of that choice now."
I did not have to worry about fashion until I started 9th grade and attended public school for the 1st time. Up to that point I went to a parochial school and had to wear the ever so famous Catholic school girl uniform. The most risque thing I ever done fashion wise in 8th grade on a dare I didnt wear any underwear to school. Later that day I came home and went to the nieghbors house that had a trampoline.... I had forgotten I was au natural and the neighborhood got a good view. Can you say the flying nun?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I decided in 8th grade that vests were the best fashion accessory ever. That did not go over well with everyone else of course. I owned a bazillion vests XD
My favorites became tank tops and flannel over shirts. I dressed like a boy through much of my childhood, even bought clothes from the boy's department. Rumor started to spread that I was a lesbian until I broke a lesbian's nose for grabbing my ass (I warned her too many times that I wasn't interested.) I even started wearing a wallet on a chain just because the chain made a good weapon. I spiked my hair, dyed it black with red tips, wore costume contacts (the black out contact lenses were my favorites) and at one time even wore sterling silver vampire fangs. I was a goth freak but it was my style.
I had a light chain on my wallet. It was great for not losing my keys. I have sterling vampire fangs! lmao. But they were for live action role playing (vampire the masquerade). I had a lot of black t-shirts too. I was rumored to be a lesbian as well, and my pixi cut hair didn't help.

reply from: BossMomma

I decided in 8th grade that vests were the best fashion accessory ever. That did not go over well with everyone else of course. I owned a bazillion vests XD
My favorites became tank tops and flannel over shirts. I dressed like a boy through much of my childhood, even bought clothes from the boy's department. Rumor started to spread that I was a lesbian until I broke a lesbian's nose for grabbing my ass (I warned her too many times that I wasn't interested.) I even started wearing a wallet on a chain just because the chain made a good weapon. I spiked my hair, dyed it black with red tips, wore costume contacts (the black out contact lenses were my favorites) and at one time even wore sterling silver vampire fangs. I was a goth freak but it was my style.
I had a light chain on my wallet. It was great for not losing my keys. I have sterling vampire fangs! lmao. But they were for live action role playing (vampire the masquerade). I had a lot of black t-shirts too. I was rumored to be a lesbian as well, and my pixi cut hair didn't help.
lol I always had a pixie cut that I kept spiked, I wore my fangs to school, could eat in them and they kinda became part of me until I grew out of em.

reply from: Rosalie

I'm 28. Interest and fashoin knowledge does not mean I'm a teenager.
But I guess every excuse to try to insult a pro-choicer works, right? Right.
It's too bad that I had no time to reply yesterday when you lost, for a moment, that squabbling tone. But then you and Boss had to fire each other up and the tone is back.
I will try that one last time. The reason I'm even speaking up about this is the way you speak about your body and apparell as if it was something to be ashamed of. Modesty AS YOU SPEAK OF IT is a patriarchal hogwash that dictates that women should cover their bodies and blush whenever their knee shows.
Maybe you're not proud of yourself, maybe looking nice and feeling good in your clothes about yourself doesn't matter to you. And from what you said here before, you do not distinguish between objectifying and appreciating beauty, either. But sending the message of modesty as you send it is something I disagree with and that's why I even reacted to it.
The rest of it was an honest attempt to show you a side of fashion that you might not be familiar with, showing you that there are other options, and that if you actually listened and gave it a thought, maybe you'd end up feeling better about yourself.
But all you did was that you twisted it into an attack and then tried to find a way how to insult me. All you did was call me superficial with your buddies and tried to question my age as an attempt me. If that's who you are, then so be it. I shouldn't have thought that pro-lifers would be capable of a friendly discussion without quarrels and insults.
You're not even capable of recognizing good intentions because you are blinded by your ignorance and hatred of pro-chociers. Think about it.
You have no idea as to what other poster's history is. Certainly not mine. I am not on a fashion forum. This is an abortion (PRO-LIFE) forum. It is clear to me that you are judgmental and superficial. Fashion and style has nothing to do with abortion rosalie. Or does it?
If you don't like the debate in this thread, there are many you can go to. Stop your complaining and just go to another thread.
Well, if there is a woman who would consider having an abortion purely because of clothes or if there really are those mythical women as pro-lifers claim who wait for 8 months into their pregnancy to realize that their swimsuit doesn't fit, they're probably better off not having children at all.
It is clear to me that you are ignorant and hateful and that you are trying hard to insult everyone who disagrees with you. But like I said, it SO fits the "pro-life" profile that you should call someone with interests in fashion superficial. It's just SO fitting.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Nice XD Mine were actually molded for my eye teeth as opposed to my canines unfortunately, because my canines are so far up in my mouth that it would have made them stick way out. So I regrettably couldn't close my jaw all the way. I did drink in them though. I suppose this isn't going to be a problem for me in about 2 years: I'm getting braces next week! With all the missed wear and tear, my canines are nice and long hahaha.

reply from: BossMomma

As someone who has participated in Wiccan rituals skyclad (buck naked) I'm hardly ashamed of my body, I simply like to dress comfortable. Scopia dresses modestly because she chooses to, I was not attempting to insult your knowledge of current fashion trends.
I dress elegantly or stylishly when the occasion calls for it, but if I'm just running errands I like something simple, comfortable and, decent like a t-shirt and a well broken in pair of jeans and sneakers. I live in a rural area and unless someone is headed for a special occasion, t-shirts and jeans ARE the fashion lol.

reply from: scopia19822

"I'm 28. Interest and fashoin knowledge does not mean I'm a teenager."
No it doesnt. However getting petty and critasizing ones preferance is junior high behavior.
"I will try that one last time. The reason I'm even speaking up about this is the way you speak about your body and apparell as if it was something to be ashamed of. Modesty AS YOU SPEAK OF IT is a patriarchal hogwash that dictates that women should cover their bodies and blush whenever their knee shows."
The female body is nothing to be ashamed of, however I as a MARRIED woman have no business revealing certain parts of my body to anyone. I am not such a prude that I think the knee is a dirty part of the body or even the bare arms as I wear sleeveless shirts in the summer along with capri pants and sandles. I love my Birkenstocks, practical for walking. I do however make sure that I am covered from collarbone to knee. It is a matter of personal comfort and preferance. I wear a simple bandanna like scarf in the summer and I do actually show some of my hair.

reply from: scopia19822

"Scopia dresses modestly because she chooses to,"
Exactly Boss! I CHOOSE to dress modestly.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

They do exist though, I'm in love with long skirts and loose peasant tops, I kinda like the hippy look.
I didn't say they don't exist! I said most of them are not trendy. There's a very specific lenght of a "long" skirt that is trendy. And yes, paired with a peasant top and some really wonderful stockings and the right kind of boots, it can look absolutely wonderful.
For this season, however, I would definitely recommend a pencil skirt.
I've been dressing like a hippie/peasant/gypsy for over 35 years now, and I'm not about to stop! Love those pencil skirts, too - and I wear boots all winter long.

reply from: Rosalie

So you still don't get it.
Don't worry, I'm not gonna try anymore because you are so dead set against listening to ANYTHING people who have a different opinion say that you just won't get it.
I would freeze without boots here. And I love them just so much. Boots look great with everything.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Did you know that the women of the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints (the polygamist group) are selling homemade prairie dresses like the ones they wear? People saw them on TV or the internet, so they set up a website to sell women's and girl's clothing!
I enjoy sewing my own skirts - they are really easy to do!

reply from: scopia19822

Yes RML I have heard of it. Maybe I will buy me one since I am such a prude.

reply from: Rosalie

It must be so comfortable, making up lies, convicing yourself that these lies are the only truth and then parrot them over and over again and pay no attention to people who are trying to explain to you that things are actually a little different. I guess it must be really comfortable ... and cowardly, too. I pity you.

reply from: scopia19822

"I pity you."
I dont want your pity. If anyone is to be pitied it is you.

reply from: Rosalie

You always answer in this way and it's very amusing.
There's no reason I should be pitied by anyone, really. You could hardly top the level of my happiness and contentment.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

LOL!! You live down there in the mountains, too, don't you? You would look like you stepped out of 100 or more years ago. And that's just fine!
I love old-fashioned dresses, but I also wear shorts and tank tops when it's hot. At 52, I figure I'm definitely too old to wear skirts above my knees, so most of mine are mid-calf to ankle. Now and then, I will wear a skirt just below my knees, but only when it's warm enough to expose my legs.
And I NEVER wear pants other than jeans. I feel much better in skirts or dresses. Also, I would NEVER enter a church or other religion-related building in pants, shorts or jeans. Just how I was brought up, I guess.

reply from: scopia19822

"And I NEVER wear pants other than jeans. I feel much better in skirts or dresses. Also, I would NEVER enter a church or other religion-related building in pants, shorts or jeans. Just how I was brought up, I guess."
I wear pants to Mass sometimes, however I never enter Mass without a headcovering that is just the way I was brought up.

reply from: BossMomma

Nice XD Mine were actually molded for my eye teeth as opposed to my canines unfortunately, because my canines are so far up in my mouth that it would have made them stick way out. So I regrettably couldn't close my jaw all the way. I did drink in them though. I suppose this isn't going to be a problem for me in about 2 years: I'm getting braces next week! With all the missed wear and tear, my canines are nice and long hahaha.
Mine were fitted for my canines which were already quite pointed but I have perfectly straight teeth (I'm the only person in my family besides my kids that does) Halloween was almost an every day thing for me as a teen.

reply from: carolemarie

Age really has nothing to do with it. My 50 year old mother will spend hours on hair, make up and, wardrobe and only shops at the trendiest stores. I however shop at Walmart, buy sensible decent looking clothes and do not wear make up. I wear very little jewelry and rarely carry a purse. I prefer ankle boots, tennis shoes and, sandles. I don't own a single pair of strappy shoes or high heels.
I was teased throughout all 12 years of school for not being fashionable but it all seemed so shallow and pointless to me, I applied my mind to books rather than looks and I reap the benefits of that choice now.
I LOVE shoes and I think I have 42 pairs of strappy heels. I like boots too. and I love clothes, make up and all that. Bling too! You can be smart and pretty as well. Look at Sara Palin!

reply from: BossMomma

Age really has nothing to do with it. My 50 year old mother will spend hours on hair, make up and, wardrobe and only shops at the trendiest stores. I however shop at Walmart, buy sensible decent looking clothes and do not wear make up. I wear very little jewelry and rarely carry a purse. I prefer ankle boots, tennis shoes and, sandles. I don't own a single pair of strappy shoes or high heels.
I was teased throughout all 12 years of school for not being fashionable but it all seemed so shallow and pointless to me, I applied my mind to books rather than looks and I reap the benefits of that choice now.
I LOVE shoes and I think I have 42 pairs of strappy heels. I like boots too. and I love clothes, make up and all that. Bling too! You can be smart and pretty as well. Look at Sara Palin!
That is true, there are tons of smart beautiful women out there. I consider myself both smart and beautiful though not fashionable. For some of us our beauty is more natural than derived from clothes, make up, shoes or, accessories. Others are absolutely beautiful in mind and spirit despite a lack of physical beauty.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Shoes are fantastic XD I bought a new pair every paycheck for like the first two months hahah.
Straight teeth? I will soon have some! Ok, 2-years-soon. I inhereted my Dad's teeth heh.

reply from: BossMomma

I have 3 pairs of shoes. My ankle boots, my tennis shoes and, my sandles. I've had those same shoes for 3 years now and don't intend to replace them until they are totally worn out. Meaningless spending is why so many are living pay check to pay check and if an emergency comes up they'er screwed.
If my house burned down and I lost everything I have enough in my emergency fund to totally replace everything. If I died I have a life insurence policy that would fully pay for my funeral and burial expenses so my family isn't stuck with a burden. Money saved is far more important than money blown.

reply from: scopia19822

"I have 3 pairs of shoes. My ankle boots, my tennis shoes and, my sandles. I've had those same shoes for 3 years now and don't intend to replace them until they are totally worn out. Meaningless spending is why so many are living pay check to pay check and if an emergency comes up they'er screwed."
I have about 20 pairs all together, I love shoes. However most of my shoes are handme downs from my mom or from yard sales and thrift shops. You can look good on a budget and my husband whos first wife was Jewish fit the sterotype of a tightwad that those people are infamous for. He says I am worse than her, that I can open my purse and the moths will fly out

reply from: BossMomma

lol I spend a good deal on my kids, my 14 month old daughter does Sign language classes and baby gym, my son does t-ball and soccer and, now he's taking an interest in Cub scouts. I try to provide my kids as much fun and education as possible.
I do treat myself to the spa once a month and enjoy a beauty treatment and a massage, I feel that I earned that. I just don't see the point in adding to a closet full of clothes until I'm ready to donate something old to charity. Me and the kids go through our closets every few months and take out the clothes we've outgrown, donate them and then go clothes shopping.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I have 3 pairs of shoes. My ankle boots, my tennis shoes and, my sandles. I've had those same shoes for 3 years now and don't intend to replace them until they are totally worn out. Meaningless spending is why so many are living pay check to pay check and if an emergency comes up they'er screwed.
If my house burned down and I lost everything I have enough in my emergency fund to totally replace everything. If I died I have a life insurence policy that would fully pay for my funeral and burial expenses so my family isn't stuck with a burden. Money saved is far more important than money blown.
I buy shoes at Payless, so it wasn't excessive spending - less than $10 each pair. I also didn't have any appropriate dress shoes, so it wasn't frivolous either.
I honestly wish I could find the exact shoes I have on right now, but higher quality so I know they'd last a few years... Right now I'm low on money but that's because I just paid for said braces. Between now and the end of February I don't plan on spending any major money on fun things.


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