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Only a woman can take responsibility for her own actions

by: BossMomma

And only a man can take responsibility for where he puts his sperm, nuff said.

reply from: Nulono

It takes two to tango.

reply from: ChristianLott2

and it's only a woman's choice.

reply from: Nulono

I thought you were pro-life?

reply from: ChristianLott2

I thought you were too..

reply from: ChristianLott2

Is it the man or the woman's choice to abort?

reply from: Nulono

NEITHER! NOBODY HAS A CHOICE TO KILL!

reply from: ChristianLott2

Pro abortion is about blaming everyone else except who they gave the right to choose to.

reply from: Nulono

:facepalm:
Are you pro-choice or not?

reply from: ChristianLott2

Are you?
Are men to blame for a woman's choice or not?
If they're both equally to blame, then why is she the only one who is allowed to make the decision?
If they're both to blame, what's wrong with a man punching his pregnant gf in the stomach. After all, it takes two to tango - she should have known better.

reply from: Banned Member

No one has the right to choose to end the life of an unborn child; man or woman.

reply from: Nulono

Are you?
Are men to blame for a woman's choice or not?
If they're both equally to blame, then why is she the only one who is allowed to make the decision?
If they're both to blame, what's wrong with a man punching his pregnant gf in the stomach. After all, it takes two to tango - she should have known better.I was responding to the first 2 posts.
Glad you're here. Is CL2 pro-choice? His answers are a little cryptic.

reply from: BossMomma

Ask Scopia, whose choice was it to abort? Often it is the man's choice and the woman's either ignorance or fear. You men play your part in the baby killing.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Equal responsibility -> Equal rights.
If they want me to take equal responsibility for the murder of my children then a man must have equal rights to choose the murder of those children after conception.
In fact, once she got pregnant I had no right to DO anything and she could do as she pleased.
All the pro aborts will stick together on this. They need women to be able to decide after the fact - after she had sex and got pregnant (no matter what she did or didn't tell her partner).
I agree, no one should be allowed to choose murder - but they will defend a woman's right to murder her unborn child and deny a man the same right - THEN blame him for the abortion as if he had the same set of options she did.
You see, it's NEVER her fault for making HER choice. Therefore, every woman is innocent and they can fault the man for anything, no matter what.
I admitted I was stupid to get involved with that girl. She lied though.
If she had told me she would get an abortion if she got pregnant and I still had sex with her, they would blame me the same.
There is nothing I could have done to make them NOT blame me for the abortion. If I had said yes the first time, when she first gave me the ultimatum and then she decides later to get an abortion anyway - they would still blame me for the murder.
So, it doesn't really matter what I said or she said. The woman is always innocent. It's always the man's fault.

reply from: scopia19822

"No one has the right to choose to end the life of an unborn child; man or woman."
I agree with Augustine on this. Both make their choice when they choose to lay down with one another. Even with BC their is always the prospect of a child being conceived. A man does not have to marry the woman, getting married out obligation is unfair to him, her and especially the child. However a real man will step up to the plate and take care of his responsibilty.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Agreed.
I told her I'd take care of the child myself. She said I didn't have enough money. I said my whole family would help me. She said no.
Imo, she was enacting what to her was a rite of passage into womanhood. She wasn't a real woman unless she got an abortion like her mother. She wasn't a real woman unless she completely dominated her man.

reply from: scopia19822

"I told her I'd take care of the child myself. She said I didn't have enough money. I said my whole family would help me. She said no.
Imo, she was enacting what to her was a rite of passage into womanhood. She wasn't a real woman unless she got an abortion like her mother. She wasn't a real woman unless she completely dominated her man."
Sadly you have some women like that who do not deserve the privalage of being called a woman. They are children, acting childish. Abortion is not "rite" of passage into womanhood. If there is such a thing it would be given birthing a child and being a mother. That ability is a unique gift that God has given us women. To abort is to throw that gift away.

reply from: Rosalie

You cannot have an equal say over someone else's body & reproductive choices. In fact, you have no say AT ALL.
Um, no. Just out of curiosity - does it ever bother you to think what would happen if you had said "yes" immediately, not a couple days later?
Is this another pro-life fantasy of yours? That pro-choice women think that they're not women until they have an abortion? Unbelievable.

reply from: ChristianLott2

It takes two to procreate. We both made our choice to have children when we had sex. If she get's a second choice after the fact, that's an extra right a man does not have. You can't have equal rights if you get more rights than the other person. You also can't claim the other person is equally responsible when like you said - I have no say at all.
Never crossed my mind. Why?

reply from: RiverMoonLady

You know, it won't kill young people to refrain from having intercourse until AFTER they get married, instead of messing around before marriage, getting pregnant and THEN making decisions. Some of you (male and female) got it WAY backward, and it's the fault of BOTH people in each couple.
Sorry, you cannot pin this one on women alone.

reply from: Nulono

Right. Because married women always want kids and NEVER abort.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

If they DON'T want them, responsible women do their best to prevent pregnancy. If BC fails, then they have to make a dreaded decision about what to do.
Because most unwanted pregnancies happen to unmarried women, though, I know you are just being sarcastic.

reply from: ChristianLott2

You can say most etc but unfair is unfair. A man cannot be held equally responsible when he does not have equal rights.
She said she wanted children so no effort at bc was ever pursued. Women can change their mind willie nillie and screw everyone else. They can use their 'power' of abortion as blackmail whether they're married or not.
I'm happy to see pro aborts just coming right out and saying - black mail through abortion is okay.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Both of you were single at the time, were you not? You were NOT married. You messed around. You got caught. She chose NOT to marry you and NOT to have your child. But the fault for her being pregnant belongs to BOTH of you.
Hope you wait until marriage next time.

reply from: BossMomma

Oh no no, it's all the woman's fault don'tcha know? She MADE him put his penis in her vagina. She MADE him do it before marriage. She MADE him shoot his load off inside her instead of using a condom. She MADE him refuse to marry her so she wouldn't be stuck as a single mom. Totally the woman's fault there.

reply from: BossMomma

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Maybe his girlfriend had a great big hair-do that camouflaged her pointy ears.
DAMN THOSE VULCANS AND THEIR MIND-MELDING WAYS!
That poor man never stood a chance. Resistance was futile...
Yeah, evil vulcan woman taking total control of his erection. It's awful when a man can't control his own pecker.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Women are still all Jezebels? Apparently in some people's world's they are!

reply from: BossMomma

Yeah, we're all a bunch of death scanks..

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Honestly, that is a PERFECT band name! Go ahead and use it, I'm not planning on forming or joining any band.

reply from: Nulono

That comma should be a semicolon, you ugly, retarded, fat whore! May you rot in grammar hell!

reply from: Rosalie

It takes two to procreate.
Oh no way. Really? I had no idea.
Please.
Yes, and? You don't get pregnant, you don't give birth, you risk NOTHING because you cannot be pregnant, you don't have this "additional" choice.
It's time you learned to deal with this fact.
I absolutely LOVE when men scream that they don't have rights and women do.
Riiiiiiight.
Like I said, learn to deal with the fact that when it comes to pregnancy, it's women who suffer, it's women who risk everything, it's women who are affected by all of it, it's women who get to choose whether they want to continue the pregnancy.
Not having rights over women's reproductive choices does not mean you have less rights. Wake up.
You are equally responsible for CAUSING the pregnancy. The egg did not fertilize itself. If you don't like that, don't have sex and don't breed.
Because maybe if you did, she would've made a different decision. It was just a hypothetical, though. I was basically just wondering.
More lies from pro-lifers! Yay!
Oh please. Just because you chose the wrong woman to have sex with doesn't mean the majority of pro-choicers thinks that.
How about you move on? It's not like you can change it. Maybe you were supposed to learn something from it.

reply from: Rosalie

Even if you are being sarcastic, that's seriously an unacceptable thing to say.

reply from: Nulono

WHAT'S THAT DEARY? I CAN'T HEAR YOU THROUGH MY IGGY!

reply from: Rosalie

Wow, the maturity here blinds me.
And you obviously can, since you're still reacting to my posts.

reply from: Nulono

Right, because marriage makes you infertile.

reply from: BossMomma

Even if you are being sarcastic, that's seriously an unacceptable thing to say.
Coming from someone who supports pedaphilia I wouldn't take anything he says seriously. If his life is so empty, so meaningless he has to come on a pro-life forum just to correct peoples punctuation and grammer he deserves to be ignored.

reply from: scopia19822

"Yes, and? You don't get pregnant, you don't give birth, you risk NOTHING because you cannot be pregnant, you don't have this "additional" choice.
It's time you learned to deal with this fact. "
A man risks being stuck with paying child support for the next 18 -21 years.

reply from: Rosalie

I have already stated, in response to YOUR post, that I don't think that's fair and that I personally wouldn't do that.
But even though it's unfair it doesn't excuse any attempts to take away women's reproductive rights.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Everyone has a right to find a partner and reproduce, thus everyone has the same reproductive rights.
Abortion is not about reproduction, it's about the murder of a baby after it's been conceived.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Oh, dear, the grammar police! At least I can spell. Did you know that it is much easier to type a comma than a semicolon?
BTW, I'm tall, beautiful, intelligent and have a good body. And I'm most definitely NOT a pedophile like someone you know.

reply from: scopia19822

" I have already stated, in response to YOUR post, that I don't think that's fair and that I personally wouldn't do that.
But even though it's unfair it doesn't excuse any attempts to take away women's reproductive right"
And I am stating and reenforcing that a man is risking being stuck with 18-21 years of child support. And the law upon birth gives the father equal say in the legal and medical decisions of his child. Is there some miraculous transformation in the childs DNA as it emerges from the birth canal? I must have been in the wrong biology class. I learned that when sperm meets egg it gets it genetic profile from mom and dad. Well if a man has no say whether or not his child is killed inutero we should give him the choice of taking the child from the mother and stripping her of parental rights upon her birth. Whether she gets to parent is up to him. Sounds asinine doesnt it?

reply from: BossMomma

I think a law like that would increase the paternal death rate.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Oh no, money *rolls eyes*

reply from: ChristianLott2

A 'legit' reason to murder your baby, right??

reply from: LiberalChiRo

A 'legit' reason to murder your baby, right??
Nope.

reply from: ChristianLott2

How many people really believe a woman should be responsible for her choice of abortion? Many would like to fault everyone else except them.

reply from: scopia19822

"How many people really believe a woman should be responsible for her choice of abortion? Many would like to fault everyone else except them."
Each woman and case is different. I would have to evaulate them on a case by case basis before I could pinpoint blame on whos responisble.

reply from: Skippy

Of course a woman is responsible for her choice to have an abortion. Other people might try to encourage or discourage her from selecting a particular option, but in the end, the decision (and the responsibility for it) is hers alone.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Good. I thought I was God for a second.

reply from: faithman

Of course a woman is responsible for her choice to have an abortion. Other people might try to encourage or discourage her from selecting a particular option, but in the end, the decision (and the responsibility for it) is hers alone.
....Including the responcibility of living with the fact of murdering your own child. they will also have the responcibility of facing the penalty of commiting murder when abortion on demand is illegal. They also have the responcibility of answering to God for destroying a innocent person who bears His image. But all that can be avoided by considering a womb child as a precious gift from God, and the womb a short term sanctuary for innocent life perparing to meet the world.

reply from: yoda

Somebody check and see if hell has frozen over..... I'm almost agreeing with skippy. But I do think that those who pressure her towards abortion share in the responsibility if she goes through with it. There's plenty of blame to go around.

reply from: Rosalie

False. Our reproductive systems are not the same, they don't do the same work, our health and lives are not affected in the same way by a pregnancy.
I wonder if you think you also have the right to have grandchildren? I have heard this one before, that's why I'm wondering.
You do not have the right to force anyone to gestate against their will just because you contributed your sperm.
Abortion is about ending a pregnancy. It is a valid, reproductive choice, whether you like it or not.
You really don't read what I post, do you? I AGREED with you that it is unfair, but even though it is a huge inconvenience, sometimes more than that, it doesn't excuse taking away women's reproductive rights.
These two things are incomparable.
No miraculous transformation, no. But the baby then becomes an independent organism, after the birth, its presence does not directly affect/damage the woman's health or life. And that's a huge difference that must always be taken into consideration. The man has no say because the fetus does not affect his health, body or life in any way. The body belongs to the woman. And she's got the right to decide what happens to anything that lives in it.
When the situation becomes the same for the woman (which is the moment of birth), they have an equal say.
What you are suggesting is nonsense and I have no idea how you could actually come up with an idiocy like that. Well, I do, but it's still retarded and nonsensical.

reply from: ChristianLott2

I have a right to stop someone from murdering my children.
Wrong. You and I have an equal right to contribute to the creation of a child. It's called sex.
You have no right to murder a conceived baby. Nor do I.
Your reproductive choice, just like a man's begins and ends at coitus.

reply from: Rosalie

Not if the children in question are still in uteru, in other words, if they are still using the woman's body. Because all what this euphemism you just used says is that you think you have the right to decide about what happens to the woman and her body - because whether you like it or not, for 40 weeks that is where the fetus resides and you cannot deal with one without dealing with the other.
But you don't have that right. Attempting that would most likely equal assault. Or would you hold the woman prisoner so she wouldn't be able to go to the clinic, too? Would you beat her? Would you abuse her? Is that what you are saying? How far are you really willing to go?
What will you be contributing for the 40 weeks of pregnancy? How will that affect you physically? I can't wait to hear the answer.
I do, if I don't wish to provide my body and all my resources for 40 weeks.
That's nothing but your ignorant opinion and as such it has no bearing whatsoever on women's reproductive choices.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Not if the children in question are still in uteru, in other words, if they are still using the woman's body. Because all what this euphemism you just used says is that you think you have the right to decide about what happens to the woman and her body - because whether you like it or not, for 40 weeks that is where the fetus resides and you cannot deal with one without dealing with the other.
The laws will be changed to deal with them both, just like the laws deal with any victim and murderer.
Is this some kind of twisted fantasy of yours?
No. We'd just put her in jail for murder.
What will you be contributing for the 40 weeks of pregnancy? How will that affect you physically? I can't wait to hear the answer.
Laws that will protect both women and pre born babies from harm.
I do, if I don't wish to provide my body and all my resources for 40 weeks.
Do you support abortion after viability?
That's nothing but your ignorant opinion and as such it has no bearing whatsoever on women's reproductive choices.
Same as yours. Stop saying reproduction when you only mean abortion.

reply from: CharlesD

We all have reproductive choice. If you are pregnant, you have already reproduced. The choice has already been made.

reply from: 4given

"Reproductive rights"= abortion. Why she is posting here. Dishonest pro-abort propaganda.

reply from: 4given

Right as usual Charles.

reply from: Rosalie

You are completely stupid if you think women are going to surrender their rights over their own bodies to anyone.
Not to mention HOW will you deal with the fetus without dealing with the woman? Are you forgetting that the woman's body is the one providing everything for it?
Your hatred of women is frightening. Are you seeing anyone over this?
STOP AVOIDING THE QUESTION. It is not about what you would love to do to woman afterwards.
You said you think have the right to stop someone from murdering your children. So LOGICALLY, the follow-up question is how are you going to stop the woman for having an abortion? How far are you willing to go?
It is a legitimate and logical question following your statement. Either answer it or withdraw your original statement.
You didn't answer the questions.
What will you be contributing for the 40 weeks of pregnancy? How will that affect you physically?
I will answer your questions after you answer mine. I asked first.
No, I actually mean reproductive choices. Stop saying what you wish I was saying.
Unless the objective of the intercourse was pregnancy then no, no choise has been made.
Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.

reply from: yoda

Yep. Precise, concise, and 100% accurate.

reply from: nancyu

You cannot have an equal say over someone else's body & reproductive choices. In fact, you have no say AT ALL.
Um, no. Just out of curiosity - does it ever bother you to think what would happen if you had said "yes" immediately, not a couple days later?
Is this another pro-life fantasy of yours? That pro-choice women think that they're not women until they have an abortion? Unbelievable.
Rosalie, you are the lowest possible of the lowlifes in the world. You blame HIM because SHE KILLED their child! Do you have any concept of placing blame where it belongs?
HE is guilty of not loving the girl. SHE is guilty of MURDER.

reply from: nancyu

Of course a woman is responsible for her choice to have an abortion. Other people might try to encourage or discourage her from selecting a particular option, but in the end, the decision (and the responsibility for it) is hers alone.
Skippy, you can be quite reasonable sometimes. That's impressive for a pro abort wad of tissue.

reply from: ChristianLott2

No. Actually right now I think bossmomma is the only one who feels it's my fault. Even the pro aborts here have not gone as far as to claim it was all my fault.
Rosalie just said:
So I think I'm off the hook since we discussed having children, both wanted them, made no commitment to marry and I asked her point blank before I ever 'sprayed my sperm' (as boss likes to put it) inside her.
Unless of course Rosalie would like to retract her statement and blame me anyway just because she hates men..

reply from: nancyu

I was referring to this from Rosalie:
She's trying to make you feel a sense of guilt for the loss of your child. Emotional blackmail, pretty typical of pro aborts.

reply from: ChristianLott2

You are completely stupid if you think women are going to surrender their rights over their own bodies to anyone.
You do know there are a few pro life women out there, huh? Forgot?
Before or after the laws change?
In the case of the x-gf, if I knew then what I knew now - that she'd go through with it - I'd have tied her to a chair and fed her like a baby until she delivered.
After the laws change I'd just call the cops. They'd probably put her in an asylum until the babies could be delivered safely, then I'd press charges for blackmail and attempted murder.
A lot of pro life women agree with me and I have a lot of respect for them. I do hate pro abort men and women equally though.
STOP AVOIDING THE QUESTION. It is not about what you would love to do to woman afterwards.
You said you think have the right to stop someone from murdering your children. So LOGICALLY, the follow-up question is how are you going to stop the woman for having an abortion? How far are you willing to go?
It is a legitimate and logical question following your statement. Either answer it or withdraw your original statement.
Since it's still legal to murder babies I'd put her in restraints for nine months. I'd rather have spent the rest of my life in jail than have allowed this to happen.
That will never happen to me again though. All potential interests are thoroughly screened. I haven't even dated since.
I'd feed and house her of course and what money I can spare for other stuff.
I will answer your questions after you answer mine. I asked first.
She consented to pregnancy.

reply from: ChristianLott2

She's trying to make you feel a sense of guilt for the loss of your child. Emotional blackmail, pretty typical of pro aborts.
Did she ever think - 'he might propose to me if I don't act like an idiot and threaten the lives of his children'?

reply from: Rosalie

Oh, thank you.
I see you did not even read that post.

reply from: micah

I'm being completely sincere and I'm not meaning to insult you when I say this. You really need to get some professional help.

reply from: Rosalie

She's trying to make you feel a sense of guilt for the loss of your child. Emotional blackmail, pretty typical of pro aborts.
Yes, I asked that question. I've been wondering whether he thought the situation might've ended up differently if he had immediately agreed to marry her. Clearly you think that's reason enough to call me names. How typical of "pro-lifers".
Emotional blackmail? Yes, I know this is one of your tactics. You have no point. Unless you feel like answering the questions I aksed ChristianLott, all you are doing here is trying to insult me. Keep trying.
I do? Wow! My fiancé and all my male friends would beg to differ. And of course, you are just talking out of your a-s-s. How are you not choking on your own lies yet?
I wonder why you feel the need to make up lies about me and attempt to insult me. Probably because, I don't know, you hate your own life? And then you are projecting your hatred and intolernace on those around you?
Sure. If they don't mind having their bodies, lives and reproductive choices controlled and decided about by other people, that's their business.
You always display so much hatred for women in general. You keep blaming your ex and you tend to blame all women for what she's done to you. That's not normal.
Well, you clearly have issues.
That's illegal. But maybe when you do this, you will end up in jail and the world will be rid of yet another dangerous individual.
You are not fit to live freely in this society if you are capable of saying that.
And you think you don't have issues?
You're probably not aware of it but women are usually capable of doing that themselves.
Besides, I asked how will the pregnancy affect you physically?
I was talking in general. You shared something of what happened to you but since you are obviously a very disturbed and dangerous maniac, I don't believe your account to be accurate.
Generally, yes, because I don't know of any women that would intentionally wait for for the fetus to be viable to have an abortion.

reply from: Rosalie

Well, this clearly says that he is a dangerous, deranged lunatic.

reply from: Rosalie

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Dangerous freak.
CL2 reminds me of that guy in Austria who locked his daughter in the basement for decades, sexually assaulter her continually, and forced her to bear his children. He has the exact same predator/control freak tendancies.
$10.00 says that CL2 is his neighborhood's "quiet, unemployed loner who always kept to himself..."
I read so much about that case. It was beyond scary. That guy would also rather spend his life in jail than allow a woman, in that case his daughter, to live her own life.
The similarities are quite apparent.

reply from: nancyu

...a typical day of slander in the pro abort neighborhood...

reply from: micah

If you wanted me to bet $10, then I would say that ChristianLott2 is making the entire story up about his ex-girlfriend's abortion in some perverted effort to elicit sympathy. He probably lives with his parents, and has never had sex or had a girlfriend.
With that being sad, we should take all potential lunatics seriously. No one should be posted personal information on here.

reply from: Rosalie

Since it's still legal to murder babies I'd put her in restraints for nine months. I'd rather have spent the rest of my life in jail than have allowed this to happen.
I wonder why no pro-lifers are commenting on this. Do you all think this is all right and acceptable? Do you actually agree with this deranged, dangerous lunatic?

reply from: scopia19822

"I wonder why no pro-lifers are commenting on this. Do you all think this is all right and acceptable? Do you actually agree with this deranged, dangerous lunatic?"
I dont know what to think other than this is a man in serious emotional pain. I dont agree with his statement of locking someone up.

reply from: carolemarie

Nobody would suggest holding someone hostage and forcing them to bear a child, which is why nobody is commenting on that rant.
CL2 is just inapropriately dealing with his grief and is just posting out of frustration and anger. That isn't a prolife position, or even making any sense.

reply from: scopia19822

CL2 needs a grief counslour.

reply from: Rosalie

I guess I just don't understand why this deranged statement didn't cause an uproar. It sort of suggests that no one thought there was anything wrong with it.
It might not be what it is, but that's how it seems. That's why I asked.

reply from: SRUW4I5

In some states if you had married her she would have needed your consent to have the abortion. So, what you could have done is married her, and then moved both of you to a state with a spousal consent law (if you don't live in a state that has one).
So there was things you could have done, but you either didn't know about them or just didn't do them.

reply from: yoda

Yep, led by micah, the lead slanderer. Did I spell that right?

reply from: micah

It's possible that ChristianLott is actually a pro-choice guy, and he is simply trying to make pro-life people look like nutjobs. You never know. In fairness to the pro-life side, I don't think most of them are like that.

reply from: SRUW4I5

I don't think he's Pro-Choice, but you could be right.
Yeah, I think a lot of Pro-Lifers are actually good people, there are some on both sides that make their side look bad though.

reply from: ChristianLott2

From the guy who says:
"The Lord wants the USA to have a constitutional amendment banning abortion, but he is not above using abortion to get back at those who tick him off."
I know you invented that one for me because you had previously something like:
"Yahweh told me personally abortion is bad" or something.
God talks to you pretty frequently, micah?
Even carole knows you're pro choice.
Some people believe womb children are just as important as born children. I happen to be one of them. If your wife was attempting to murder your born children, would you restrain her?
I think micah is actually JRH. He'd probably help her.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Read some of your tag lines. Now tell me if your born children were in immediate danger you'd not restrain their attacker.

reply from: SRUW4I5

Read some of your tag lines. Now tell me if your born children were in immediate danger you'd not restrain their attacker.
If I had kids and someone was trying hurt/kill them I would personally do whatever it takes to keep the person from succeeding.
I didn't know that anyone actually read the quotes I have as my signature, I just put them there because I think the people were right when they said those things.

reply from: Faramir

Since it's still legal to murder babies I'd put her in restraints for nine months. I'd rather have spent the rest of my life in jail than have allowed this to happen.
I wonder why no pro-lifers are commenting on this. Do you all think this is all right and acceptable? Do you actually agree with this deranged, dangerous lunatic?
I have had people online tell me to "die in a fire" and have had them suggest I have intercourse with very sharp objects. Do you think they really meant it?
It's the internet. It's not real. He's just doing some colorful venting.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Read some of your tag lines. Now tell me if your born children were in immediate danger you'd not restrain their attacker.
If I had kids and someone was trying hurt/kill them I would personally do whatever it takes to keep the person from succeeding.
I didn't know that anyone actually read the quotes I have as my signature, I just put them there because I think the people were right when they said those things.
Now read them again and tell me if you think that girl should have been restrained from murdering our children?
If you don't, I think you should take those misleading quotes from your tag line if you don't believe them.
I do.

reply from: ChristianLott2

It's a situation that has never and will never happen to me. Yet honestly, if I could go back in time but ONLY to that day I'd buy some rope and a recliner and wait it out with her. She's the one who told me she liked being tied up.
What's most hideous and unsurprising is that Rosalie thinks murdering viable babies is okay.
I talk about restraining someone for a few months. She's talking about murdering babies.
As Fela Kuti put it - everything is upside down.

reply from: SRUW4I5

Read some of your tag lines. Now tell me if your born children were in immediate danger you'd not restrain their attacker.
If I had kids and someone was trying hurt/kill them I would personally do whatever it takes to keep the person from succeeding.
I didn't know that anyone actually read the quotes I have as my signature, I just put them there because I think the people were right when they said those things.
Now read them again and tell me if you think that girl should have been restrained from murdering our children?
If you don't, I think you should take those misleading quotes from your tag line if you don't believe them.
I do.
From what I've read, it looks like she didn't have a good reason for the abortion, so she shouldn't have had it. I don't believe in tying someone up, handcuffing them, or anything like those to stop them from having an abortion, but anything you could have done within reason should have been done.

reply from: ChristianLott2

But you just said you'd do anything you could to prevent your born child's murder and your tag line says:
"How can we expect people to treat all born people equally when we won't treat any human as a person until they have been born?" - E.K.
So obviously you don't REALLY believe this. Take it off.

reply from: SRUW4I5

But you just said you'd do anything you could to prevent your born child's murder and your tag line says:
"How can we expect people to treat all born people equally when we won't treat any human as a person until they have been born?" - E.K.
So obviously you don't REALLY believe this. Take it off.
I do believe it. If you tie somene up to stop them from getting an abortion, you aren't being reasonable. If they're tied to a chair, how are they supposed to be able to get something to eat or drink? Or take care of private business? Or take a shower? or change clothes? or do anything else they may need to do? You do know if you go long enough without walking you will have leg problems, don't you? And that not being active is bad for yourself? How is a woman supposed to maintain a good weight if she isn't allowed to excersise?
I don't see how harming a woman (which could harm the preborn child, too) can do anything positive.
Also, that quote doesn't say anything about the born and pre-born being equal. It says we can't expect all born people to be treated equally when we don't even treat the pre-born as people.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Of course I'd feed her, let her go to the bathroom and exercise, etc. The point is that to save my children's lives I'd have to restrain her from aborting.
Now if Rosalie is thinking - well if you could go back in time to only that day why wouldn't you just tell her to marry you - I wouldn't take the chance.

reply from: SRUW4I5

Of course I'd feed her, let her go to the bathroom and exercise, etc. The point is that to save my children's lives I'd have to restrain her from aborting.
Now if Rosalie is thinking - well if you could go back in time to only that day why wouldn't you just tell her to marry you - I wouldn't take the chance.
As long as you'd only keep her from having an abortion, in most cases that would be ok. I've listed in some topic the reasons I think should be allowed for having an abortion, so I wouldn't agree with you keeping her from having an abortion if it was for one of those reasons.

reply from: ChristianLott2

She was over three months pregnant - definitely not ectopic.
I really do think micah is JRH too

reply from: carolemarie

You need to get some help, and this board is not helping you deal with your loss. You are sounding crazy
It is against the law to kidnap and hold hostage another person. What you are suggesting is evil and sick. It would make you just as bad as her.

reply from: micah

You're the 2nd person who took my signature seriously. Because this forum is unfamiliar with sarcasm, I'm removing my signature. Only on this forum could you say that God loves to commit abortions and be taken seriously.

reply from: micah

No I'm not. But JRH seems pretty intelligent from the posts of his that I've read, so I will take that as a compliment.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Says the killer of three.
It is against the law to murder a child.
Coming from a pro abort...
What you suggest is I just let my children be murdered. You are evil and sick.
Btw, holding someone hostage for nine months is not even remotely as bad as murder. If the laws were in place that's exactly what should have happened to her - threaten the lives of innocent babies, you should be restrained for the duration and then placed in jail for attempted murder.
pro abort.

reply from: ChristianLott2

You think the eugenicist who believes it's okay to murder a child up to two years old is intelligent.. why am I not surprised?
Yeah, it's a compliment and it's yours.

reply from: Rosalie

Abortion is NOT against the law. If you think it is and if you think that it is a reason to hold a woman hostage and abuse her, I really really hope someone around you will see how dangerous and deranged you really are and that you will soon end up in a mental institution. Or eventually in prison.

reply from: faithman

What the bortheads, and the false pro-lifers do not understand, is that there is more to life than this physical world, and our physical bodies. Our bodies are merely the containers of the precious substance Called life. Life has to have that container to express itself in the natural world. Even if the container is flawed, it still makes it possible for the miracle of life to be expressed. Our common value is not found in the container, but what is contained. The life of a womb child is equal to the life contained in all of us. The only legitimate breaking of this container, is if it has the compunction to smash other containers without cause. When you take way the ability to express life, you loose the great privilege to express your own. Evil aggression must be subdued, or no container can have any security from unjust breakage. To take away the possibility of this wonderful spark of life to be expressed, makes this world a darker place, and the rest of us containers a little more impoverished, and alone. Though the womb child is a small container, it does not lessen the value of the life it contains. If fellow containers do not value the life of the womb child container, then they have placed their personhood container in great jeopardy. Anyone who does not see that womb children are fellow human containers, containing life of equal value to their own, is a self destructive fool, drunk on the power to kill, and must be stopped for the sake of the rest of us life containers. It is the life in us that makes us equal, not our degree of ability to express it.

reply from: Rosalie

LOL. The pitiful creature probably thinks someone actually reads his spam.

reply from: faithman

Actually many have pm'd me a thank you for doing it. Keeps the truth next to pro-abort lies.

reply from: faithman

What the bortheads, and the false pro-lifers do not understand, is that there is more to life than this physical world, and our physical bodies. Our bodies are merely the containers of the precious substance Called life. Life has to have that container to express itself in the natural world. Even if the container is flawed, it still makes it possible for the miracle of life to be expressed. Our common value is not found in the container, but what is contained. The life of a womb child is equal to the life contained in all of us. The only legitimate breaking of this container, is if it has the compunction to smash other containers without cause. When you take way the ability to express life, you loose the great privilege to express your own. Evil aggression must be subdued, or no container can have any security from unjust breakage. To take away the possibility of this wonderful spark of life to be expressed, makes this world a darker place, and the rest of us containers a little more impoverished, and alone. Though the womb child is a small container, it does not lessen the value of the life it contains. If fellow containers do not value the life of the womb child container, then they have placed their personhood container in great jeopardy. Anyone who does not see that womb children are fellow human containers, containing life of equal value to their own, is a self destructive fool, drunk on the power to kill, and must be stopped for the sake of the rest of us life containers. It is the life in us that makes us equal, not our degree of ability to express it.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Abortion is NOT against the law. If you think it is and if you think that it is a reason to hold a woman hostage and abuse her, I really really hope someone around you will see how dangerous and deranged you really are and that you will soon end up in a mental institution. Or eventually in prison.
I hope you wind up in prison as well. Let's see who goes first, shall we?

reply from: Rosalie

Actually many have pm'd me a thank you for doing it. Keeps the truth next to pro-abort lies.
For spam and insults? Well, I don't believe that. And you PMing yourself from your dummy accounts does not count, you know.
Abortion is NOT against the law. If you think it is and if you think that it is a reason to hold a woman hostage and abuse her, I really really hope someone around you will see how dangerous and deranged you really are and that you will soon end up in a mental institution. Or eventually in prison.
I hope you wind up in prison as well. Let's see who goes first, shall we?
For what, exactly?

reply from: faithman

Actually many have pm'd me a thank you for doing it. Keeps the truth next to pro-abort lies.
For spam and insults? Well, I don't believe that. And you PMing yourself from your dummy accounts does not count, you know.
[FM says: snicker snicker... cute!!!]
Abortion is NOT against the law. If you think it is and if you think that it is a reason to hold a woman hostage and abuse her, I really really hope someone around you will see how dangerous and deranged you really are and that you will soon end up in a mental institution. Or eventually in prison.
I hope you wind up in prison as well. Let's see who goes first, shall we?
For what, exactly?

reply from: faithman

What the bortheads, and the false pro-lifers do not understand, is that there is more to life than this physical world, and our physical bodies. Our bodies are merely the containers of the precious substance Called life. Life has to have that container to express itself in the natural world. Even if the container is flawed, it still makes it possible for the miracle of life to be expressed. Our common value is not found in the container, but what is contained. The life of a womb child is equal to the life contained in all of us. The only legitimate breaking of this container, is if it has the compunction to smash other containers without cause. When you take way the ability to express life, you loose the great privilege to express your own. Evil aggression must be subdued, or no container can have any security from unjust breakage. To take away the possibility of this wonderful spark of life to be expressed, makes this world a darker place, and the rest of us containers a little more impoverished, and alone. Though the womb child is a small container, it does not lessen the value of the life it contains. If fellow containers do not value the life of the womb child container, then they have placed their personhood container in great jeopardy. Anyone who does not see that womb children are fellow human containers, containing life of equal value to their own, is a self destructive fool, drunk on the power to kill, and must be stopped for the sake of the rest of us life containers. It is the life in us that makes us equal, not our degree of ability to express it.

reply from: Rosalie

Being an idiot.
If that was a reason to throw someone to prison, then you and a lot of your pals would've ended up in there long time ago.
Your utter hatred and contempt for women is despicable.

reply from: faithman

What the bortheads, and the false pro-lifers do not understand, is that there is more to life than this physical world, and our physical bodies. Our bodies are merely the containers of the precious substance Called life. Life has to have that container to express itself in the natural world. Even if the container is flawed, it still makes it possible for the miracle of life to be expressed. Our common value is not found in the container, but what is contained. The life of a womb child is equal to the life contained in all of us. The only legitimate breaking of this container, is if it has the compunction to smash other containers without cause. When you take way the ability to express life, you loose the great privilege to express your own. Evil aggression must be subdued, or no container can have any security from unjust breakage. To take away the possibility of this wonderful spark of life to be expressed, makes this world a darker place, and the rest of us containers a little more impoverished, and alone. Though the womb child is a small container, it does not lessen the value of the life it contains. If fellow containers do not value the life of the womb child container, then they have placed their personhood container in great jeopardy. Anyone who does not see that womb children are fellow human containers, containing life of equal value to their own, is a self destructive fool, drunk on the power to kill, and must be stopped for the sake of the rest of us life containers. It is the life in us that makes us equal, not our degree of ability to express it.
[with cheese]


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