Home - List All Discussions

Carifairy gets around

by: AshMarie88

I was looking online for articles on abortion and infertility and came across this site:
http://www.steadyhealth.com/Abortion_and_Fertility_t96270.html

Ugh...

reply from: AshMarie88

And.....
http://www.steadyhealth.com/Abortion_and_infertility_t100077.html

reply from: lukesmom

Oh yeah, scarifairy peddles her abortion agenda in as many places as she is allowed. She is the worst and most chilling proabort I have yet to come across.

reply from: Teresa18

You bet. She used to post on Pro-Choice Talk, but I'm not sure if the forum works anymore. She posts on ehealth, community livejournal, and probably others. She is an ardent supporter of abortion, and she fights tirelessly for it as they kill babies in the clinic and online.

reply from: ProInformed

Sounds pretty obsessive IMHO.
Um what do you call those who are obsessed with killing innocent humans?
Oh yea, sociopathic.

reply from: Teresa18

Professional hit woman.
It's good to have an expert killer to talk about killing. We need that sort of insight.

reply from: ProInformed

Yea but we all know that if she ever stops defending the abortion industry,
YOU and your fellow choicists will then stop praising her;
instead you will start calling her names, will make fun of her, will claim she is uninformed and/or lying...
You're not really impressed by a person's knowledge or credentials - they just have to be devoted to the abortion industry that's all.
The Carifairy's know if they ever dare to criticize the abortion industry in any way, you will attack them. So choicists obediently praise the abortion industry (and each other). No matter what abortionists and choicists say or do, they praise each other, because of fear of reprisal if they ever dare to critique.
And that is why the abortion industry gets away with so much too BTW.
Aren't you choicists proud that you help abortionists who've lost their license to practice medicine injure women?
Aren't you proud that you help rapists and child molesters get away with their crimes?
Aren't you glad that you help abortionists lie to women?
Aren't you glad that you help pro-abort males who pressure women to abort?
You'all have certainly got each others backs, eh?
You aren't really pro-woman at all.
You're really pro-pro-choicists.
You defend abortionists and your fellow choicists, no matter what (um unless they stop doing abortions, or stop defending abortionists that is).

reply from: ProInformed

Oh pulease...
EVERY choicists who does NOTHING to warn women about the fact that many abortionists are losers who have lost their medical license, who resort to doing abortions BECAUSE they know abortion clinics will allow them to operate assembly-line fashion, with the patient not even meeting the abortionist until their feet are up in the stirrups, and not even being told the NAME of the abortionist...
EVERY choicist who assures women that abortion clinics are 'safe'... is guilty of protecting such abortionists while endangering women.
EVERY choicist who does NOTHING to expose, condemn, and put out of business, aboritonists and clinics who sell abortions to rapists and child molesters, EVERY choicist who refuses to DEMAND that their 'pro-choice' lobby groups leaders and politicians SPEAK UP AND DO something to address this problem, is guilty of helping rapists cover up their crimes.
EVERY choicist who excuses the way the abortion industry lies ot women, EVERY choicist who makes assures women that the clinic 'counseling' can be trusted (before they have an abortion), but then makes fun of women for trusting the abortion clinic staff (after they had an abortion and found out the truth), EVERY choicist who opposes legislative efforts to grant pregnant women the same patient protection right to Informed Consent, is guilty of helping the abortion industry get away with lying to women.
EVERY choicist who pretends that males who pressure women to abort are merely 'pro-choice' (or non-existent), enables such pro-abort, ANTI-CHOICE, anti-woman, pressures to continue unabated.
You've never done anything ABOUT anything on the list,
and you probably don't know anyone who calls themselves 'pro-choice' who's done ANYTHING ABOUT those things either.
Your failure TO DO anything to stop those things IS how those who commit them get away with it.

reply from: lukesmom

Yup and without the abortion industry, she would be out of a job. Her posting on every forum imaginable is actually good job security for her. Makes me vomit.

reply from: AshMarie88

Abortion related deaths, 1 in 100,000? More like 100,000 in 100,000... You're forgetting the LIFE that is "terminated"!

reply from: BossMomma

LOL How'd my name get into this argument? I was planning on staying out of it. True I have little respect for a woman who can't think for herself and don't buy the whole "he made me abort" story. In this day and age women know their options.

reply from: faithman

Abortion related deaths, 1 in 100,000? More like 100,000 in 100,000... You're forgetting the LIFE that is "terminated"!
They are also ignoring the fact that the medical industry covers for the baby killers. Many women are harmed and killed by abortion, but the report will say Toxic shock, or some other complication that womb child murder causes!!!! Abortion is not safe, and the unreported harm it causes is one of the biggest well kept scandalis secrets of the killers.

reply from: faithman

Sounds pretty obsessive IMHO.
Um what do you call those who are obsessed with killing innocent humans?
Oh yea, sociopathic. Scum bag maggot low life baby butchers works for me...just to name a few that is...

reply from: yoda

Exactly. And paid baby killers are so....... "unbiased" on the subject of killing babies for hire, right?
I mean, they wouldn't try to pull us into their denial, or anything like that, would they?

reply from: Rosalie

Wow, she passes her advice to others. How horrifying indeed.

reply from: ProInformed

Do you also advocate AGAINST patient/consumer rights regarding other things besides abortion?
Making fun of those who believe the lies they are told (AFTER being assured by the media, political leaders, teachers, nurses, well-meaning but uninformed relatives and friends, and 'pro-choice' groups... that abortion clincis are 'safe' and clinic staff can be trusted), INSTEAD OF doing anything to require that abortion clinics tell the truth, isn't exactly somethign you should be proud of.
Also since it is a fact that the number one cause of death for pregnant women is beign murdered (usually by the baby's biological father) for refusing to cave into pro-abort pressures, your choice ot make fun of women who are subjected to pro-abort pressures, and to minimize the effect of those pressure on them, is disgustingly anti-woman.

reply from: scopia19822

"They are also ignoring the fact that the medical industry covers for the baby killers. Many women are harmed and killed by abortion, but the report will say Toxic shock, or some other complication that womb child murder causes!!!! Abortion is not safe, and the unreported harm it causes is one of the biggest well kept scandalis secrets of the killers.'
You are right about that Faithman, where if a death is caused by complications of childbirth it will be listed directly as such. Not so with abortions. My husbands mom died when he was 6 from pneumonia after having a "D&C", which was a common procedure done on women for a variety of reasons including a "legal" loophole for abortions. After the procedure she got depressed and refused medical care for the pnuemonia until it was too late. The thing is my mother in law was a Christian Scienstist and they dont believe going to a doctor for anything. So why would she have went in for a D&C? My husband remembers that she was dating a man from the neighborhood and alot of arguing going on before she went in for the D&C about her not being an "embarassment " and her crying and saying she would not do it.. she gave in and had the D&C.. 3 months later she was dead from bacterial pnuemonia as a result from complications of the anestishia . The records were destroyed in a fire in 1970, but I amd my husband both think the D&C was actually an abortion. Given that she was a Christian Scientists she would not have went for a mere medical problem no matter how severe.

reply from: scopia19822

"LOL How'd my name get into this argument? I was planning on staying out of it. True I have little respect for a woman who can't think for herself and don't buy the whole "he made me abort" story. In this day and age women know their options."
BossMomma women do get coerced and pressured into abortions by the men that impregnated them, epsecially if they were in a domestic violence sitiaution like myself and are very young and naive. Homicide is the number one cause of death of pregnant women usually by the father of the baby. Look at Lacey Peterson and Jessie Davis...

reply from: faithman

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
HAH! I dragged you in because you made an honest, adult decision.
One of my pet peeves are women who claim "if abortion had been illegal, I wouldn't have had one." It's their way of making five Supreme Court Justices responsible for their own decision to terminate a pregnancy.
I always put those women in the same group as people who get fat and then turn around and sue McDonald's BECAUSE IT'S ALL THEIR FAULT!The number of justices was 7. If you run out of fingures on one hand, use the other one. But any excuse will do when you are looking for one to justify killing a womb child...

reply from: BossMomma

I'm sorry but I do not believe that there was nothing you could have done. You could have made a scene, screamed for help and ran, somehow I doubt the guy would have shot you in front of God and everyone. A woman who just walks quietly with her head down and her mouth shut and lets a man control even the life she carries in her womb is IMHO cowardly.
I went through 4 years of abuse with my husband and still never lost my will to fight, he'd beat the crap out of me but I'd hit back and leave my mark on his sorry ass as well. Finally I left him when he turned the abuse on my son and now he's struggling and paying me child support. Women in this day and age need to learn to Woman up and stop cowering.

reply from: scopia19822

"I'm sorry but I do not believe that there was nothing you could have done. You could have made a scene, screamed for help and ran, somehow I doubt the guy would have shot you in front of God and everyone. A woman who just walks quietly with her head down and her mouth shut and lets a man control even the life she carries in her womb is IMHO cowardly."
Mea Culpa for being 17 and naive. People react differently to fear, me I froze up and thought that the clinic staff would help me out by calling the police once I told them what was going on. I honestly believed that going to the clinic and telling the staff what he was doing to me was the best option at the time. When you have someone threaten you with a gun you dont try and play hero, that is usaully how one gets killed. You did not know my ex boyfriend this was a man that would hold a knife to my throat if I refused to have sex with him. This was a man that would slap me and beat me with no provocation. Why did I put up with it, because I had no self esteem and thought he was the best I could do. I had no support from my family, my mom did not even know I was pregnant, nobody did except me the ex and his mom.My mom and stepdad du jour were more concearned about their drugs than what was going on with me and my sister. I only gained 10 lbs and always wore baggy clothes anyway so it was easy to hide. Not every women is strong and assertive like such as yourself. Sometimes it takes something horrible happening to them to realize that they have to be assertive and strong. If I could turn back time and done things differently I would, but I cant. If I ever found myself in that situation again I would shoot him before he could shoot me. When I turned 21 I applied for a concealed weapon permit and now carry a gun in my purse. Im quite a good shot actually.

reply from: BossMomma

Yeah and my dad was an abusive alcoholic and my mom was quite happy letting me take the abuse instead of her. At 17 I had more balls than most men and frankly, you let him do that to you and don't give me the "not every woman..." line. There is no excuse for letting a man treat you like shyte. My ex quit beating me the day I smashed his face in with the skillet I used to cook his eggs, sucker was still hot too (still makes me grin to remember his expression). When he started trying to turn the abuse on a truly defenseless target I dropped him on his ass and went to a women's shelter, my ticket to a free divorce in less than 3 months. I don't carry a gun, I carry fists and self respect and I've never been scared to use either.

reply from: Rosalie

It's horrible that you call yourself a "feminist" but don't mind branding other women, whose situation may or may not be similar to yours, cowards. That's terrible and it's everything BUT feminist.

reply from: faithman

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
A majority of Republican appointees determined that case. Why don't you blame The Republican Party?
"The justices who decided Roe v. Wade were nominated by 5 different Presidents - Franklin D. Roosevelt (William O. Douglas), Eisenhower (William Brennan and Potter Stewart), Kennedy (Byron R. White), Johnson (Thurgood Marshall), and Nixon (Burger, Blackmun, Lewis Powell, and William Rehnquist)."
I do blame the Rep party. I am pro-life, not rep.

reply from: BossMomma

Yeah it's horrible that I actually encourage women to show some strength, it's terrible that I tell them how it is, instead of giving them a pat on the head and sending them on their way. If a woman is being abused the only person who could truly help her..is her.

reply from: scopia19822

"Yeah it's horrible that I actually encourage women to show some strength, it's terrible that I tell them how it is, instead of giving them a pat on the head and sending them on their way. If a woman is being abused the only person who could truly help her..is her."
No Boss it is called blaming the victim. So I allowed him to abuse me and therefore deserved it, if that is what you think ok. He was 6"0 250 lbs, I was 5'0 120lbs soaking wet at the time. While I find it hard to be symapthetic to a woman who intially gets out of the relationship and then goes back to her abuser. I did not go back to the bum, I have not laid eyes on him in 7 years and hope I never do again, altough I finally found the strength to forgive. As you grow in your new faith that is a concept you will really need to embrace, because it is one of the core concepts of the Christian faith. It is easy for an outsider to analyze a situation after the fact and judge or critisize the action of those involved. But unless you are actually there you have no clue as to what is going on in the mind of the person involved. I did not know my options and had to think on my feet. Do I risk running and getting shot and belive me he would have done it or do I appear to be cooperative and then let the clinic staff know what he is doing? I had to think on my feet. It was a learning experinece for me and I now know my rights/options and I will never let a man abuse me again. As far as the gun goes, I have only used it at the shooting range and I hope I NEVER have too use it in a real life sitiaution. I dont use my fist on people as I abhor violence and violence only begats more violence. I would rather use my word.

reply from: scopia19822

Well good for you. You sound like my mom when you talk about having more balls than most men. I dont have balls as I am female nor do I want them. I did however grow a backbone and no longer let people run over me. My mom I swear wishes she was born a man, she is 6ft in her bare feet. The term amazon woman comes to mind. I did not let him do anything to him, he overpowered me. Do you blame a rape victim who is unable to fight off her attacker as being weak? Same concept.

reply from: BossMomma

My husband was 6'5 and 290lbs, what of it? A big guy can get his ass kicked just as quick as a small one. This has nothing to do with Christian faith and frankly I'd appreciate it if people would quit blowing me off because I'm "new". I do not blame a victim for being a victim, I blame a victim for STAYING a victim, for not taking their tail out from between their legs and helping themselves.
I am not an outsider, I've been where you are. From the age of 3 to the age of 24 I've faced violence from men and my mother allowed me to face it because she was too much a damn coward to shield me from it as I would shield my children. I am not violent by nature but I defend myself and would much prefer to do so in a non-lethal manner though I'm a good shot myself. Using your words is a good thing, but before anything else use your brain.

reply from: BossMomma

Well good for you. You sound like my mom when you talk about having more balls than most men. I dont have balls as I am female nor do I want them. I did however grow a backbone and no longer let people run over me. My mom I swear wishes she was born a man, she is 6ft in her bare feet. The term amazon woman comes to mind. I did not let him do anything to him, he overpowered me. Do you blame a rape victim who is unable to fight off her attacker as being weak? Same concept.
I don't mean balls literally, no I don't have a set of cahoonies dangling anywhere. Having balls is often associated with courage and courage is often associated with being male. I'm glad you finally stood up for yourself, that's great. But you did let him abuse you by staying with him. I do not blame a woman who cannot fight off a man, but when she stays with him, doesn't go to the police, doesn't go to a women's shelter, doesn't even try to get away, whose fault is it that the abuse continues? It is half his for being the abuser and half hers for allowing it to continue.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

D & Cs are routine after a miscarriage. Please give your mother-in-law the benefit of the doubt until you know otherwise (although it DOES sound like she had a secret abortion.)

reply from: ChristianLott2

How often does this happen? 1 in 100? 1 in 1000?
How often do you pose these questions and she's says she wants it even though you know she's lying?
Do you show them pictures of what their baby will look like before and after? Do you tell them of all the possible side effects - infertility, psychological trauma?
I think you probably shy away from these topics because you don't want to scare her or make things seem more unpleasant, correct?

reply from: BossMomma

Do you also advocate AGAINST patient/consumer rights regarding other things besides abortion?
Making fun of those who believe the lies they are told (AFTER being assured by the media, political leaders, teachers, nurses, well-meaning but uninformed relatives and friends, and 'pro-choice' groups... that abortion clincis are 'safe' and clinic staff can be trusted), INSTEAD OF doing anything to require that abortion clinics tell the truth, isn't exactly somethign you should be proud of.
Also since it is a fact that the number one cause of death for pregnant women is beign murdered (usually by the baby's biological father) for refusing to cave into pro-abort pressures, your choice ot make fun of women who are subjected to pro-abort pressures, and to minimize the effect of those pressure on them, is disgustingly anti-woman.
Who said I was making fun of anyone? This is the age of information, there are unending resources for women in crisis, I see no reason why a woman will pass all this information by and just cave in. I'm not anti-woman, I'm anti-bullshyte.

reply from: BossMomma

Well, firstly I wanted to stay out of this because I don't respect your participation in abortion, however, you've never personally attacked me and so I didn't want to enter a thread that personally attacked you.
Now as for women being coerced I realize it happens, but I do not accept the " I had no way out" line. There are ways out, you know this, I know this and, just about every woman knows this. Granted a teen might not but I do not consider a 16 year old a woman, I consider her a child.
I come off as harsh and insensitive because that is how I was raised to be, that which didn't kill me made me stronger. I could languish in old pain and be a victim all my life or I could tell those who hurt me ***** OFF and take away their power. I try to spread that message to all women and while I will admit my tact left something to be desired my message is clear, this ain't a man's world if you don't let it be.
I am sorry if my posts caused anyone pain, they weren't meant to, they were meant to give strength and resolve to the fearful woman and let her know that she can and should fight back. There is nothing amazing about me, I'm just a woman you might pass on the way to work, if I can do it, any woman can do it.

reply from: Carifairy

Bossmomma~
You do not hurt anyone....
It is a shame that women feel like they have no way out...

reply from: scopia19822

"ow as for women being coerced I realize it happens, but I do not accept the " I had no way out" line. There are ways out, you know this, I know this and, just about every woman knows this. Granted a teen might not but I do not consider a 16 year old a woman, I consider her a child."
I was 17 and certianly did not know of my rights and options. I consider anyone under 21 even though after 18 they are legally an adult a child. My sister is 18 soon to be 19, but she is still a child in many ways. I think that is one reason the legal drinking age is 21 instead of 18. Because those between 18-20 still have alot of growing up to do. If I knew my options at 17 I would have done things differently, I certainly did not think that the clinic staff would actually restrain me and gas me with nitrous oxide. Granted this "doctor" was a family friend of the ex and his mom and he also did GYN care as well as abortions, but I have read and heard of it happening in clinics that do mostly abortions because they want the profits. If the guy or the parents put the money on the counter it is their wishes they care about, not the girl/woman.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I may not agree with Carifairy's views on abortion any more, but she really is a very smart and caring woman and I totally agree with her in every other way! Please listen to her about this; she knows what she's taking about.

reply from: BossMomma

Yes it is, especially with all the resources advertised positively everywhere.

reply from: BossMomma

You didn't know you had the option to break up with the guy? Furthermore your story about being forcibly restrained and gased is a stretch. Any medical professional worth their salt would be more worried about losing their medical license than forcibly aborting a teenager.

reply from: faithman

You didn't know you had the option to break up with the guy? Furthermore your story about being forcibly restrained and gased is a stretch. Any medical professional worth their salt would be more worried about losing their medical license than forcibly aborting a teenager.
Not if you are an abortionist with the authorities in your hip pocket. Their concern is killing the child for hire, not obeying the law that is turning a blind eye.

reply from: scopia19822

"You didn't know you had the option to break up with the guy? Furthermore your story about being forcibly restrained and gased is a stretch. Any medical professional worth their salt would be more worried about losing their medical license than forcibly aborting a teenager."
Believe what you wish, I was there and knew what happened. Abortionist are not "legitment" medical professionals, in fact in the medical community they are bottom feeders and most docotrs want nothing to do with them. This same clinic was sued by a mother and daughter for violating the state law by doing abortions on a minor without parental consent. They were also investigated in 1998 for doing abortions without having the proper liscensing from the state of Tennesee.
There was also a case in Northern Va of a woman being gassed, having the abortion and then shut in a closet when she refused to submit to the abortion her boyfriend insistted she needed. And then there is the case of Jane Roe II vs Aware woman who even after she told the abortionist to stop continued and ended up ripping out her uterus and lower intestines. Do a google search on forced abortion and you will some interesting things.
www.stopforcedabortions.org/

reply from: scopia19822

http://www.unfairchoice.info/intro.htm

Above is another link on coerced/forced abortions.

reply from: faithman

truely sorry for the treatment you recieved. But thank you for the courage to tell your story in an effort to help others.

reply from: scopia19822

"truely sorry for the treatment you recieved. But thank you for the courage to tell your story in an effort to help others."
It is ok Fman. I can understand why some people would have a hard time believing it, the truth is often stranger than fiction. I know the truth and that is all that matters. All I can do is tell my story and let these young girls know that they have rights and options. That help is available to them.

reply from: nancyu

I'm sorry but I do not believe that there was nothing you could have done. You could have made a scene, screamed for help and ran, somehow I doubt the guy would have shot you in front of God and everyone. A woman who just walks quietly with her head down and her mouth shut and lets a man control even the life she carries in her womb is IMHO cowardly.
I went through 4 years of abuse with my husband and still never lost my will to fight, he'd beat the crap out of me but I'd hit back and leave my mark on his sorry ass as well. Finally I left him when he turned the abuse on my son and now he's struggling and paying me child support. Women in this day and age need to learn to Woman up and stop cowering.
Exactly! Woman UP! (I love that phrase)

reply from: nancyu

Oh dear, who summoned up the evil spirits?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Carifairy:
I am pro abortion
I am pro adoption
I am pro parenting
And lets not forget...pro fessional baby killer.
...
I am pro whatever the woman wants.
I am also a woman that has had 3 abortions, and I work in an abortion clinic.

reply from: faithman

Oh dear, who summoned up the evil spirits?
I don't Know, but notice how these creatures of the night try to hide behind their good works?---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Carifairy:
I am pro abortion
I am pro adoption
I am pro parenting
And lets not forget...pro fessional baby killer.
...
I am pro whatever the woman wants.
I am also a woman that has had 3 abortions, and I work in an abortion clinic.

reply from: carolemarie

Hi Cari!
Although I think abortion is always bad for women, I appreciate that you take the time to talk to women and that you care about them.

reply from: 4given

No. Truth is you are concerned with your bloodied dollar. What woman that kills her 3 children and assists in the countless slaughtering of other lives would consider another woman's second thoughts?! You are in the position to damage people. Frankly I am disgusted that the abortion clinic that you allegedly "work for" would keep you on staff. Isn't that a bit of a liability to them? You have described your duties incompletely and title inaccurately. What is your title, level of education and duties? How do you have this job, yet time to post on random forums- every day? And then the link to your sexploits a number of months ago.. But whatever. You don't want to/care to learn anything. There is hope for you yet. Have you ever regretted killing your children?

reply from: ChristianLott2

You see it a couple times a month and what happens? They go through with the abortion, you call the cops, what?

reply from: 4given

You see it a couple times a month and what happens? They go through with the abortion, you call the cops, what?
I am also curious. What do you do when these abused, coerced or forced women come to your clinic? You aren't the counselor as well as surgical assistant, right?!

reply from: yoda

Kissy, kissy, kissy.......

reply from: yoda

The KKK provides community services as well as doing the ocassional lynching.......

reply from: LiberalChiRo

You see it a couple times a month and what happens? They go through with the abortion, you call the cops, what?
I am also curious. What do you do when these abused, coerced or forced women come to your clinic? You aren't the counselor as well as surgical assistant, right?!
She sends them home actually, or to safe-houses or wherever they want to go. She's talked about this before on eHealth.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Kissy, kissy, kissy.......
rofl

reply from: ChristianLott2

I've been called anti woman by a lot of the supposed "pro life" women here. Will any of you woman up to Cari and denounce her as anti woman?
I thought not, you're all too busy kissing the baby butcher.
I sense bias.

reply from: ChristianLott2

If your job is to help women, why are you murdering their children?
How is stabbing a baby to death compassionate?
How can murder ever help anything?
You are sure it's a woman's choice, but what choice do men have? Women have choice, men have nothing? Where are the male reproductive rights?
I think you are a demented and sick individual. That you believe you're doing the right thing I have no doubt. You are unable to empathize with anyone else but fellow women. Not the men and certainly never the baby.
This woman centric point of view does not help them, it destroys them and our society. If you really wanted to help women you'd be an abstinence counselor, not a quick fix peddler.
You are nothing but a miserable hack.

reply from: scopia19822

"She sends them home actually, or to safe-houses or wherever they want to go. She's talked about this before on eHealth."
I have a hardtime believing that. The motive of those who work in the abortion industry is to sell abortions and protect those profits by any means nessecary. Sending them home or to a womens shelter would cause them to loose money.

reply from: scopia19822

Carifairy,
Abortion while anywhere can be about 300-500 a pop, you can make more money by the assembly line process involved in these clinics. That adds up pretty fast if you can do 10 of those a day. Often that is the first and last time you see these women. How do you reconcil yourself to offering prenatal care to one woman, while another women in another room kills another? When I was 17 I was forced to have an abortion by my ex , him and his mom had made arrangements with a family friend who would "take care " of the problem. He came to my school in the parking lot, showed me his service weapon, he was a security gaurd at a bank and told me if I did not come with him he would shoot me in the head where I stood. So of course being young and naive I went with him because I thought the clinic staff would help me once I told them what was going on. I live in a city that borders TN/Va. i live in VA he took me across town and across the stateline and to the clinic. I told the "counslor" I did not want this, I asked to call my mom and I was minor in a state that required consent. I was told to shut up, they had been paid it was too late to "change my mind" and it was for the best I could always have more children later. I was told to sign the forms and to say i was 18 instead of 17, undress and get on the table. While I was on the table before they started I tried to get off and make a run out of the emergency exit down the hall, but the abortionist instructed the 2 nurses to hold my arms while he put a mask over my face and administered nitrous oxide. When I came too the 1st thing I asked was if my child was a boy a girl. The abortionist told me after they had "assembled " the parts it was a female. I was 5 months pregnant and how they managed to dialate my cervix I dont know. I am also O- and should have been given a rhogam shot, but was not , no lab work, follow up or nothing. Choice is simply a euphameism for "have an abortion".
My uncle is a retired plastic surgeon , very well respected in the SC medical community where I grew up being raised by him and my aunt. We did alot of interacting and socializing with those in the medical community. There were 4 abortionist in the area, they did not get invited to the really "good " parties or even the bad ones. Abortionist and those who work for them are bottom feeders, pariahs and no legitment medical doctor or professional wants to associate with them. Most abortionists are those who could not cut in other feilds of medicine and resort to abortion because it is profitable. They are ones they have had their liscence pulled or many malpractice suits. I hardly call abortion safe. If you care about women like you claim why not work for the local health department or community clinics that provide medical care, but not abortions> Or are you so embraced in the culture of death?

reply from: RiverMoonLady

An abortion is extremely cheap compared to the cost of prenatal care, delivery and raising a child. If an OB/GYN is in it for the money, they will care for as many women as humanly possible, deliver their babies (preferably by C-section, which is WAY more expensive) and ENCOURAGE reproduction whenever possible.
I have had a number of surgeries and surgery-like medical tests, and I can guarantee you that every single one of them cost at least ten times as much as an early abortion, if not FIFTY times as much.
How much do you pay your pediatrician for each visit? I can't even have a 10-minute appointment with my family doctor for less than $120. How many visits does a child make to a pediatrician, and then to a family physician in 18 years?
Except for the fraudulent non-doctors who run illegal "abortion mills", nobody is getting rich solely from abortions. If they were, they wouldn't be delivering babies.

reply from: Antibigot

I do appreciate the fact that you are not nasty in your posts and that you care about other women, and give info about birth control, but it DOES appear that you focus too much on abortion. If you are the person I think you are, I've seen you act so eager to drive women to go get abortions but I have not seen you offer to drive women to go get prenatal care. But, I guess that doesn't mean you've never done it. But, I've also seen you say that you believe a woman should be able to abort for whatever reason, even a healthy 9 month old fetus. You find nothing wrong with abortions of any kind, no matter how developed, sentient and healthy they are.

reply from: jujujellybean

I swear the woman is somewhat crazy. I saw a poem she wrote to one of her aborted babies, and it said something about toasting with roast beef and champagne because tomorrow she burns it's ass. She IS somewhat sociopathic, I am not even joking.

reply from: Antibigot

I swear the woman is somewhat crazy. I saw a poem she wrote to one of her aborted babies, and it said something about toasting with roast beef and champagne because tomorrow she burns it's ass. She IS somewhat sociopathic, I am not even joking.
I never saw anything like that. Was that really her? I have seen her say that she wears an "I had an abortion" or a Roe Vs. Wade shirt on the anniversary of her abortions.

reply from: scopia19822

"I support abortion regardless of gestation, that is true. It is also widely known that 89% of all abortions occur at 12 weeks or less. 1.9% occur after 20 weeks."
My God what kind of socipath are you? So you think a woman should be able to abort her child up to her due date for any reason? Most post viabilty children who are aborted because they are unwanted. If that same child was born prematuraly every effort and money would be spent in order to keep them alive if they were wanted. I can understand the "logic" of people supporting 1st trimester abortions, but I still think its is wrong. I can write these people off as misguided. They are capabale of learning the truth of abortion. But people like you just disgust me. I was able to look my abortionist in the eyes and you know what I saw? Black, emptiness, nothing, no soul. A sociopath. I guess one who could work in the abortion industry would have to be a sociopath with no empathy or compassion for their fellow human beings.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Wrong. Most post viability children are aborted due to maternal health reasons (REAL ones) or due to fetal abnormalities.

reply from: BossMomma

What the hell is funny about abortion? You think it's funny? Ending innocent lives? That's about as sick as making fun of cancer, or making fun of AIDS.

reply from: ChristianLott2

? Abstinence means NO SEX, not wait till you're married and have all the abortions you want.
If you don't want kids don't have sex. That's the choice.
And a choice you don't care about, you only care about the choice to abort.
It's all sex and death with you people. You don't give a crap about helping women lead healthy happy lives, find the right person, do the right thing. You're all about enabling irresponsible behavior through murder.
So you wear a t-shirt proclaiming you're proud to have had an abortion?
So those abortions.. they weren't mistakes, right? You didn't accidentally get pregnant, you purposely got pregnant to have an abortion?
If it was a mistake to get pregnant, who else do you know walks around being proud of their mistakes?
If that doesn't sound completely backwards to you - being proud of a mistake instead of being regretful, please tell us of ONE other mistake, besides the murder of your children, that you are proud of.

reply from: BossMomma

Would you mind sending the poem to me in a PM?

reply from: yoda

Horse crap. MOST of them are ELECTIVE!
American Medical News ---- amednews.com ---- THE NEWSPAPER FOR AMERICA'S PHYSICANS -------
By Diane M. Gianelli, AMNews staff. March 3, 1997.
Abortion rights leader urges end to "half truths"
WASHINGTON -- Breaking ranks with his colleagues in the abortion rights movement, the leader of one prominent abortion provider group is calling for a more truthful debate in the ongoing battle over whether to ban a controversial late-term abortion procedure.
In fact, Ron Fitzsimmons, executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, said he would rather not spend his political capital defending the procedure at all. There is precious little popular support for it, he says, and a federal ban would have almost no real-world impact on the physicians who perform late-term abortions or patients who seek them.
"The pro-choice movement has lost a lot of credibility during this debate, not just with the general public, but with our pro-choice friends in Congress," Fitzsimmons said. "Even the White House is now questioning the accuracy of some of the information given to it on this issue."
He cited prominent abortion rights supporters such as the Washington Post's Richard Cohen, who took the movement to task for providing inaccurate information on the procedure. Those pressing to ban the method call it "partial birth" abortion, while those who perform it refer to it as "intact" dilation and extraction (D&X) or dilation and evacuation (D&E).
What abortion rights supporters failed to acknowledge, Fitzsimmons said, is that the vast majority of these abortions are performed in the 20-plus week range on healthy fetuses and healthy mothers. "The abortion rights folks know it, the anti-abortion folks know it, and so, probably, does everyone else," he said.
He knows it, he says, because when the bill to ban it came down the pike, he called around until he found doctors who did them.
"I learned right away that this was being done for the most part in cases that did not involve those extreme circumstances," he said.

reply from: Antibigot

No, you said you wear these shirts on each anniversary of your abortions. To me, that's celebrating the fact you had the abortion, although a human life was destroyed on those days. And you know it's a life because you have admitted that you believe life starts at implantation.

reply from: jujujellybean

A SATIRICAL poem oh heavens forgive me! That just makes it so much better.
That is simply sick. Gross and sick that you think what you did is funny.
I think a part of it goes, "don't you know I don't want you inside of me?"
well, unfortunately for you, it doesn't, and you put it there not itself. Geez. you do not know biology basics.

reply from: jujujellybean

I swear the woman is somewhat crazy. I saw a poem she wrote to one of her aborted babies, and it said something about toasting with roast beef and champagne because tomorrow she burns it's ass. She IS somewhat sociopathic, I am not even joking.
I never saw anything like that. Was that really her? I have seen her say that she wears an "I had an abortion" or a Roe Vs. Wade shirt on the anniversary of her abortions.
It was on a blog; I think I posted it here before but cannot remember. It is a scary poem. It gave me chills when I read it.

reply from: ProInformed

I wonder if the people she posts to, pretending she is sane, are aware of her sick sense of humor?
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=5605&enterthread=y

reply from: scopia19822

"Wrong. Most post viability children are aborted due to maternal health reasons (REAL ones) or due to fetal abnormalities."
Fetal abnormalties= eugenic abortions

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I didn't say they were right, I was saying there was a legitimate reason, as opposed to "stretchmarks".

reply from: ChristianLott2

I didn't say they were right, I was saying there was a legitimate reason, as opposed to "stretchmarks".
so something can still be considered legitimate even if it's wrong....
so in your opinion bossmomma's bf had a legit reason to want one of her babies dead...

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I didn't say they were right, I was saying there was a legitimate reason, as opposed to "stretchmarks".
so something can still be considered legitimate even if it's wrong....
so in your opinion bossmomma's bf had a legit reason to want one of her babies dead...
Yes. I believe things can be legitimate even if they're wrong. That doesn't mean I LIKE their reasoning, but just that it does hold some weight in one way or another.
For example, I can understand why a woman could consider it merciful to abort her deformed child before it is born. I don't think it's right to do so, but I feel it is at least a legitimate reason as opposed to "I want to go on vacation and not have morning sickness".

reply from: ChristianLott2

Well, if it's not right who gives a crap if you or anyone else wants to call it 'legit'? It's wrong. Just leave it at that and stop playing what you're feeling is compassion because it's not, it's wickedness and selfish and sick.

reply from: carolemarie

I can understand why a woman would choose that as well.
That is a whole different thing than elective abortion. Usually this is a wanted child who has been found to have serious problems. Women in this situtation need to have support and help, and information.
Not everyone is able to handle a seriously ill child or one who will die anyways. They deserve compassion.


2017 ~ LifeDiscussions.org ~ Discussions on Life, Abortion, and the Surrounding Politics