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A snow day!

by: BossMomma

I can't believe we got 9 inches of snow! My kids got to have their first snow ball fight, build their first snow man and, make their first snow angels. This year will certainly be memorable. We even saved snow balls in the freezer in case this never happens again.

reply from: CharlesD

Don't see that much snow in your neck of the woods, I guess. We're used to it in Ohio.

reply from: faithman

With a little vanila and sugar [some prefer chocolate syrup] it makes great ice cream. It snowed east of us last night. But too far away from me to get a bowl of this tasty delight. In the end, all we have is our memories. Make good ones for your kids for the time when that will be all they have of you. Life is SSSSSSSOOOO precious, and passes SSSSSOOOOO quickly.

reply from: BossMomma

With a little vanila and sugar [some prefer chocolate syrup] it makes great ice cream. It snowed east of us last night. But too far away from me to get a bowl of this tasty delight. In the end, all we have is our memories. Make good ones for your kids for the time when that will be all they have of you. Life is SSSSSSSOOOO precious, and passes SSSSSOOOOO quickly.
Haven't thought of ice cream, thanks for the tip.

reply from: faithman

With a little vanila and sugar [some prefer chocolate syrup] it makes great ice cream. It snowed east of us last night. But too far away from me to get a bowl of this tasty delight. In the end, all we have is our memories. Make good ones for your kids for the time when that will be all they have of you. Life is SSSSSSSOOOO precious, and passes SSSSSOOOOO quickly.
Haven't thought of ice cream, thanks for the tip.
Don't forget the cherry on top. [now please insult me before folks think we are starting to like each other...]

reply from: AshMarie88

With a little vanila and sugar [some prefer chocolate syrup] it makes great ice cream. It snowed east of us last night. But too far away from me to get a bowl of this tasty delight. In the end, all we have is our memories. Make good ones for your kids for the time when that will be all they have of you. Life is SSSSSSSOOOO precious, and passes SSSSSOOOOO quickly.
Oh, wow, I didn't know you could do that. I always used to eat snow when I was little, I loved it. Is that very safe tho anymore, since when it snows the environment is so full of chemicals and the air is very dirty (I can't think of the other word)? I'll have to try that tho.
Just be careful of the lemon snow... :-P

reply from: faithman

With a little vanila and sugar [some prefer chocolate syrup] it makes great ice cream. It snowed east of us last night. But too far away from me to get a bowl of this tasty delight. In the end, all we have is our memories. Make good ones for your kids for the time when that will be all they have of you. Life is SSSSSSSOOOO precious, and passes SSSSSOOOOO quickly.
Oh, wow, I didn't know you could do that. I always used to eat snow when I was little, I loved it. Is that very safe tho anymore, since when it snows the environment is so full of chemicals and the air is very dirty (I can't think of the other word)? I'll have to try that tho.
Just be careful of the lemon snow... :-P
Snicker snicker. In the words of frank zappa," watch out where the huskies go, and don't you eat that yellow snow."

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Horray snow! I LOVE snow... I miss Northern New York and the massive 13 FEET we got a year ago in 2007! It just started snowing one sunday and never stopped until saturday.... it was insane. Our town was even featured on the Colbert Report!! And obviously the general news too. I lived in Oswego, right near Mexico and Fulton and Syracuse.

reply from: BossMomma

With a little vanila and sugar [some prefer chocolate syrup] it makes great ice cream. It snowed east of us last night. But too far away from me to get a bowl of this tasty delight. In the end, all we have is our memories. Make good ones for your kids for the time when that will be all they have of you. Life is SSSSSSSOOOO precious, and passes SSSSSOOOOO quickly.
Haven't thought of ice cream, thanks for the tip.
Don't forget the cherry on top. [now please insult me before folks think we are starting to like each other...]
Your a meanie doodoo head!

reply from: faithman

With a little vanila and sugar [some prefer chocolate syrup] it makes great ice cream. It snowed east of us last night. But too far away from me to get a bowl of this tasty delight. In the end, all we have is our memories. Make good ones for your kids for the time when that will be all they have of you. Life is SSSSSSSOOOO precious, and passes SSSSSOOOOO quickly.
Haven't thought of ice cream, thanks for the tip.
Don't forget the cherry on top. [now please insult me before folks think we are starting to like each other...]
Your a meanie doodoo head!
WWWWHHHEUWWWW!!!! We dodged that bullet. But do you have to be SSSSSOOOO acurate?!!!!

reply from: BossMomma

With a little vanila and sugar [some prefer chocolate syrup] it makes great ice cream. It snowed east of us last night. But too far away from me to get a bowl of this tasty delight. In the end, all we have is our memories. Make good ones for your kids for the time when that will be all they have of you. Life is SSSSSSSOOOO precious, and passes SSSSSOOOOO quickly.
Haven't thought of ice cream, thanks for the tip.
Don't forget the cherry on top. [now please insult me before folks think we are starting to like each other...]
Your a meanie doodoo head!
WWWWHHHEUWWWW!!!! We dodged that bullet. But do you have to be SSSSSOOOO acurate?!!!!
lol, wow, this is a day to remember, we get along.

reply from: faithman

With a little vanila and sugar [some prefer chocolate syrup] it makes great ice cream. It snowed east of us last night. But too far away from me to get a bowl of this tasty delight. In the end, all we have is our memories. Make good ones for your kids for the time when that will be all they have of you. Life is SSSSSSSOOOO precious, and passes SSSSSOOOOO quickly.
Haven't thought of ice cream, thanks for the tip.
Don't forget the cherry on top. [now please insult me before folks think we are starting to like each other...]
Your a meanie doodoo head!
WWWWHHHEUWWWW!!!! We dodged that bullet. But do you have to be SSSSSOOOO acurate?!!!!
lol, wow, this is a day to remember, we get along.
SSSSSSSHHHHHUSH!!!!! People are watching!!!!! I have a reputation to protect here!!!!!!

reply from: BossMomma

With a little vanila and sugar [some prefer chocolate syrup] it makes great ice cream. It snowed east of us last night. But too far away from me to get a bowl of this tasty delight. In the end, all we have is our memories. Make good ones for your kids for the time when that will be all they have of you. Life is SSSSSSSOOOO precious, and passes SSSSSOOOOO quickly.
Haven't thought of ice cream, thanks for the tip.
Don't forget the cherry on top. [now please insult me before folks think we are starting to like each other...]
Your a meanie doodoo head!
WWWWHHHEUWWWW!!!! We dodged that bullet. But do you have to be SSSSSOOOO acurate?!!!!
lol, wow, this is a day to remember, we get along.
SSSSSSSHHHHHUSH!!!!! People are watching!!!!! I have a reputation to protect here!!!!!!
yeah, I'm supposed to be a man hating pro-abort in disguise, wouldn't want people to start questioning themselves would we?

reply from: faithman

With a little vanila and sugar [some prefer chocolate syrup] it makes great ice cream. It snowed east of us last night. But too far away from me to get a bowl of this tasty delight. In the end, all we have is our memories. Make good ones for your kids for the time when that will be all they have of you. Life is SSSSSSSOOOO precious, and passes SSSSSOOOOO quickly.
Haven't thought of ice cream, thanks for the tip.
Don't forget the cherry on top. [now please insult me before folks think we are starting to like each other...]
Your a meanie doodoo head!
WWWWHHHEUWWWW!!!! We dodged that bullet. But do you have to be SSSSSOOOO acurate?!!!!
lol, wow, this is a day to remember, we get along.
SSSSSSSHHHHHUSH!!!!! People are watching!!!!! I have a reputation to protect here!!!!!!
yeah, I'm supposed to be a man hating pro-abort in disguise, wouldn't want people to start questioning themselves would we?
No more than I am a woman hating pro-life fetus lover.

reply from: CharlesD

Whatever you do, wherever you go
Just don't eat the yellow snow

reply from: BossMomma

lol I took my dog out in the front yard to use the bathroom and she took a big steaming dump right next to the snowman. I rearranged his face from a smile to a

reply from: LiberalChiRo

lol I took my dog out in the front yard to use the bathroom and she took a big steaming dump right next to the snowman. I rearranged his face from a smile to a
Haha, I loled XD

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Snow from Texas to Georgia! I hear even New Orleans got up to 6 inches. I've heard reports that we are entering a period of global cooling.
Moscow has very little or no snow right now, the weather pattern is just running a little different at this time.

reply from: Teresa18

That made me laugh about your dog. Enjoy the snow. Snow is the only thing I like about winter. Where do you live? I see GodsLaw's post, and I didn't realize it snowed down south. I'm up here in Ohio where got rain yesterday. We did have a small snow over the weekend, but it was only a dusting, and it melted already.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

LiberalChiRo signature:
Being Pro-Life is "Caring just as much about the woman as the baby she is carrying, and working to find real solutions to her problems so that child can live..."
~ CaroleMarie
Current Ignore List: Vexing/Vexer (banned), faithman (hateful), yodavater (hateful)
The Vexing Vexer has been gone for a week. Did he get the boot again, or did he acquire some horrible STD and climb under a rock?
I'm not so sure Carol Marie cares as much about the babies as she does women. I wonder if her putting the kids second is to soothe her conscience for killing three unborn babies.
I'm surprised Yoda makes the hateful list.

reply from: smom

You dont know what a great chuckle you gave me Godslaw. my parents are in new orleans living it up and im stuck here in the cold....heeheehee... and i dont have to shovel snow this week... what a laugh. he thought he'd leave and take a break from the cold and enjoy the southern heat and wear shorts..... i guess he'll have to pretend in the house as we do.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Heheh... lol. I dunno, though now that you mention it I haven't seen anyone quoting her lately.
I can't think of a better word... he's just godawfully annoying, and always contrary to whatever I say, no matter what it is.

reply from: faithman

Heheh... lol. I dunno, though now that you mention it I haven't seen anyone quoting her lately.
I can't think of a better word... he's just godawfully annoying, and always contrary to whatever I say, no matter what it is.
Maybe you ought to watch what you say! Just a thought...

reply from: carolemarie

Why can't I care about the woman and the baby? Why do I have to value one more than the other?
FYI- I don't have a guilty conscience. Perhaps you do, since you don't understand what mercy and grace is.

reply from: faithman

Why can't I care about the woman and the baby? Why do I have to value one more than the other?
FYI- I don't have a guilty conscience. Perhaps you do, since you don't understand what mercy and grace is.
Why should a police man value the life of a hostage over the armed gunman about to kill them? And how can something feel guilt when it does not exist?

reply from: BossMomma

Why can't I care about the woman and the baby? Why do I have to value one more than the other?
FYI- I don't have a guilty conscience. Perhaps you do, since you don't understand what mercy and grace is.
Caring for woman and child is one thing, a good thing mind you. But your empathy for those who cash in on the deaths of the very children the pro-life movement is trying to protect is disturbing.

reply from: smom

I dont mean to digress from the issue.. but boss momma .. I really appreciate your Bible verse that you have.. I dont remember reading that one..but its so true. Thank you for bringing it to light.

reply from: BossMomma

No problem. Despite the fact that my daughter's father ran out on them me and his mother are still very close friends. She gave me a homemade book of pick-me-up verses and that one happened to be my favorite.

reply from: faithman

No problem. Despite the fact that my daughter's father ran out on them me and his mother are still very close friends. She gave me a homemade book of pick-me-up verses and that one happened to be my favorite.
One of the most important scriptures in all the bible.

reply from: carolemarie

Why can't I care about the woman and the baby? Why do I have to value one more than the other?
FYI- I don't have a guilty conscience. Perhaps you do, since you don't understand what mercy and grace is.
Caring for woman and child is one thing, a good thing mind you. But your empathy for those who cash in on the deaths of the very children the pro-life movement is disturbing.
I could say cynically that both sides cash in on the death of children. There are those who raise money to fight abortion, and their lifestyle depends on those donations and if abortion ended they would be out of a job. Check into the NRL P&L statements.
As for abortion providers, I am against people shooting them. Abortion is a legal procedure as you well know. I think that misplaced empathy for women drives alot of the providers. People don't get up and say, I want to be evil, let me go to medical school for years and years so I can perform abortions because I hate babies. They do it because at least in the begining they want to help women.
I believe abortion should be against the law, and the abortion providers should be jailed if they perform abortion when it is against the law. That doesn't mean I get to hate abortion providers or like Faithboy applaude those who kill them!
As a Christian, I am required to live out the gospel which is good news for all people, not just those who sins I can tolerate....God was kind to me when I was a mess and lost and needing to be saved. He came for abortion providers and all the rest who were lost.

reply from: faithman

Why can't I care about the woman and the baby? Why do I have to value one more than the other?
FYI- I don't have a guilty conscience. Perhaps you do, since you don't understand what mercy and grace is.
Caring for woman and child is one thing, a good thing mind you. But your empathy for those who cash in on the deaths of the very children the pro-life movement is disturbing.
I could say cynically that both sides cash in on the death of children. There are those who raise money to fight abortion, and their lifestyle depends on those donations and if abortion ended they would be out of a job. Check into the NRL P&L statements.
As for abortion providers, I am against people shooting them. Abortion is a legal procedure as you well know. I think that misplaced empathy for women drives alot of the providers. People don't get up and say, I want to be evil, let me go to medical school for years and years so I can perform abortions because I hate babies. They do it because at least in the begining they want to help women.
I believe abortion should be against the law, and the abortion providers should be jailed if they perform abortion when it is against the law. That doesn't mean I get to hate abortion providers or like Faithboy applaude those who kill them!
As a Christian, I am required to live out the gospel which is good news for all people, not just those who sins I can tolerate....God was kind to me when I was a mess and lost and needing to be saved. He came for abortion providers and all the rest who were lost.
Your perversion of the gospel does not jive with the prayer of Christ Himself. John 17:9. Jesus bought the whole world with His blood so that no one has excuse. But Jesus did not pray for the whole world, Only those who were given to Him of the Father. Jesus only came for the Elect, those the Father has given Him. If the abortion provider is not of the elect, then the wrath of God abides on him [John 3:36], and God point blank says He hates them [Psalm 5:5] . I will follow the words and prayer of Christ, not some scripture perverting, baby hating killer of three. You have the right to spew your error, and I have the duty to show just how wrong you are.

reply from: BossMomma

Why can't I care about the woman and the baby? Why do I have to value one more than the other?
FYI- I don't have a guilty conscience. Perhaps you do, since you don't understand what mercy and grace is.
Caring for woman and child is one thing, a good thing mind you. But your empathy for those who cash in on the deaths of the very children the pro-life movement is disturbing.
I could say cynically that both sides cash in on the death of children. There are those who raise money to fight abortion, and their lifestyle depends on those donations and if abortion ended they would be out of a job. Check into the NRL P&L statements.
As for abortion providers, I am against people shooting them. Abortion is a legal procedure as you well know. I think that misplaced empathy for women drives alot of the providers. People don't get up and say, I want to be evil, let me go to medical school for years and years so I can perform abortions because I hate babies. They do it because at least in the begining they want to help women.
I believe abortion should be against the law, and the abortion providers should be jailed if they perform abortion when it is against the law. That doesn't mean I get to hate abortion providers or like Faithboy applaude those who kill them!
As a Christian, I am required to live out the gospel which is good news for all people, not just those who sins I can tolerate....God was kind to me when I was a mess and lost and needing to be saved. He came for abortion providers and all the rest who were lost.
Killing an abortion provider is wrong and there is no justification for a pro-lifer to become an abortion provider themself by killing. However from your posts it does not even seem as though you see anything wrong with abortion, you, as I once did justify it with legality. I cannot speak for Faithman, his arguments are his own. But I hold no love or empathy for a doctor who violates his oath to do no harm and fail to see how you show them such compassion. Even Christ stated that Whomever should harm one of these little ones would be better off tying a mill stone around his neck and casting himself into the sea Matthew 18:6. As a Christian you know that Christ valued the lives of children above all else.

reply from: faithman

Why can't I care about the woman and the baby? Why do I have to value one more than the other?
FYI- I don't have a guilty conscience. Perhaps you do, since you don't understand what mercy and grace is.
Caring for woman and child is one thing, a good thing mind you. But your empathy for those who cash in on the deaths of the very children the pro-life movement is disturbing.
I could say cynically that both sides cash in on the death of children. There are those who raise money to fight abortion, and their lifestyle depends on those donations and if abortion ended they would be out of a job. Check into the NRL P&L statements.
As for abortion providers, I am against people shooting them. Abortion is a legal procedure as you well know. I think that misplaced empathy for women drives alot of the providers. People don't get up and say, I want to be evil, let me go to medical school for years and years so I can perform abortions because I hate babies. They do it because at least in the begining they want to help women.
I believe abortion should be against the law, and the abortion providers should be jailed if they perform abortion when it is against the law. That doesn't mean I get to hate abortion providers or like Faithboy applaude those who kill them!
As a Christian, I am required to live out the gospel which is good news for all people, not just those who sins I can tolerate....God was kind to me when I was a mess and lost and needing to be saved. He came for abortion providers and all the rest who were lost.
Killing an abortion provider is wrong and there is no justification for a pro-lifer to become an abortion provider themself by killing. However from your posts it does not even seem as though you see anything wrong with abortion, you, as I once did justify it with legality. I cannot speak for Faithman, his arguments are his own. But I hold no love or empathy for a doctor who violates his oath to do no harm and fail to see how you show them such compassion. Even Christ stated that Whomever should harm one of these little ones would be better off tying a mill stone around his neck and casting himself into the sea Matthew 18:6. As a Christian you know that Christ valued the lives of children above all else.
Just one point here. Are womb children's lives equal in value to born children? Is it justified to use deadly force to stop an evil aggressor from killing a born child? If it is just to use deadly force to stop aggression against the born, and if the preborn share the same valuable innocent life, then why do you devalue them by saying that we can not use the same amount of force to stop the evil aggression of abortion murder against the unborn? I am not an advocate, nor promoter of stopping the abortionist with lethal force. But niether will I join Cm and planned parenthood, by devaluing the womb child by condemning those who do. If you oppose the use of deadly force to stop aggression against the pre-born person, then you can not say it is right to use the same equally to defend the life of a born person. Look into the eyes of your children, and tell me what you would do if an evil person intended to chop them up with a butcher knife? Would you be justified in giving the sucker a lead enama from a 12 gauge? If it is justified to save a born child from such actions and evil people, how can you say you are for equality for the womb child, when in your statement, you just denied them equal value?

reply from: BossMomma

Why can't I care about the woman and the baby? Why do I have to value one more than the other?
FYI- I don't have a guilty conscience. Perhaps you do, since you don't understand what mercy and grace is.
Caring for woman and child is one thing, a good thing mind you. But your empathy for those who cash in on the deaths of the very children the pro-life movement is disturbing.
I could say cynically that both sides cash in on the death of children. There are those who raise money to fight abortion, and their lifestyle depends on those donations and if abortion ended they would be out of a job. Check into the NRL P&L statements.
As for abortion providers, I am against people shooting them. Abortion is a legal procedure as you well know. I think that misplaced empathy for women drives alot of the providers. People don't get up and say, I want to be evil, let me go to medical school for years and years so I can perform abortions because I hate babies. They do it because at least in the begining they want to help women.
I believe abortion should be against the law, and the abortion providers should be jailed if they perform abortion when it is against the law. That doesn't mean I get to hate abortion providers or like Faithboy applaude those who kill them!
As a Christian, I am required to live out the gospel which is good news for all people, not just those who sins I can tolerate....God was kind to me when I was a mess and lost and needing to be saved. He came for abortion providers and all the rest who were lost.
Killing an abortion provider is wrong and there is no justification for a pro-lifer to become an abortion provider themself by killing. However from your posts it does not even seem as though you see anything wrong with abortion, you, as I once did justify it with legality. I cannot speak for Faithman, his arguments are his own. But I hold no love or empathy for a doctor who violates his oath to do no harm and fail to see how you show them such compassion. Even Christ stated that Whomever should harm one of these little ones would be better off tying a mill stone around his neck and casting himself into the sea Matthew 18:6. As a Christian you know that Christ valued the lives of children above all else.
Just one point here. Are womb children's lives equal in value to born children? Is it justified to use deadly force to stop an evil aggressor from killing a born child? If it is just to use deadly force to stop aggression against the born, and if the preborn share the same valuable innocent life, then why do you devalue them by saying that we can not use the same amount of force to stop the evil aggression of abortion murder against the unborn? I am not an advocate, nor promoter of stopping the abortionist with lethal force. But niether will I join Cm and planned parenthood, by devaluing the womb child by condemning those who do. If you oppose the use of deadly force to stop aggression against the pre-born person, then you can not say it is right to use the same equally to defend the life of a born person. Look into the eyes of your children, and tell me what you would do if an evil person intended to chop them up with a butcher knife? Would you be justified in giving the sucker a lead enama from a 12 gauge? If it is justified to save a born child from such actions and evil people, how can you say you are for equality for the womb child, when in your statement, you just denied them equal value?
I did not devalue anyone, least of all the unborn. I spoke against murder of the born just as I speak against murder of the unborn. When a mother kills her born child she is given a trial and sentencing, I feel that the woman who kills her unborn child deserves the same, as does any cohort in the deed. Vigilanteism is outlawed for good reason as it keeps the violence inherent in humanity from burning out of control.

reply from: faithman

Why can't I care about the woman and the baby? Why do I have to value one more than the other?
FYI- I don't have a guilty conscience. Perhaps you do, since you don't understand what mercy and grace is.
Caring for woman and child is one thing, a good thing mind you. But your empathy for those who cash in on the deaths of the very children the pro-life movement is disturbing.
I could say cynically that both sides cash in on the death of children. There are those who raise money to fight abortion, and their lifestyle depends on those donations and if abortion ended they would be out of a job. Check into the NRL P&L statements.
As for abortion providers, I am against people shooting them. Abortion is a legal procedure as you well know. I think that misplaced empathy for women drives alot of the providers. People don't get up and say, I want to be evil, let me go to medical school for years and years so I can perform abortions because I hate babies. They do it because at least in the begining they want to help women.
I believe abortion should be against the law, and the abortion providers should be jailed if they perform abortion when it is against the law. That doesn't mean I get to hate abortion providers or like Faithboy applaude those who kill them!
As a Christian, I am required to live out the gospel which is good news for all people, not just those who sins I can tolerate....God was kind to me when I was a mess and lost and needing to be saved. He came for abortion providers and all the rest who were lost.
Killing an abortion provider is wrong and there is no justification for a pro-lifer to become an abortion provider themself by killing. However from your posts it does not even seem as though you see anything wrong with abortion, you, as I once did justify it with legality. I cannot speak for Faithman, his arguments are his own. But I hold no love or empathy for a doctor who violates his oath to do no harm and fail to see how you show them such compassion. Even Christ stated that Whomever should harm one of these little ones would be better off tying a mill stone around his neck and casting himself into the sea Matthew 18:6. As a Christian you know that Christ valued the lives of children above all else.
Just one point here. Are womb children's lives equal in value to born children? Is it justified to use deadly force to stop an evil aggressor from killing a born child? If it is just to use deadly force to stop aggression against the born, and if the preborn share the same valuable innocent life, then why do you devalue them by saying that we can not use the same amount of force to stop the evil aggression of abortion murder against the unborn? I am not an advocate, nor promoter of stopping the abortionist with lethal force. But niether will I join Cm and planned parenthood, by devaluing the womb child by condemning those who do. If you oppose the use of deadly force to stop aggression against the pre-born person, then you can not say it is right to use the same equally to defend the life of a born person. Look into the eyes of your children, and tell me what you would do if an evil person intended to chop them up with a butcher knife? Would you be justified in giving the sucker a lead enama from a 12 gauge? If it is justified to save a born child from such actions and evil people, how can you say you are for equality for the womb child, when in your statement, you just denied them equal value?
I did not devalue anyone, least of all the unborn. I spoke against murder of the born just as I speak against murder of the unborn. When a mother kills her born child she is given a trial and sentencing, I feel that the woman who kills her unborn child deserves the same, as does any cohort in the deed. Vigilanteism is outlawed for good reason as it keeps the violence inherent in humanity from burning out of control.
I understand your sentiment, but you totally avoided the question at hand. Is it vigilanteism to stop a killer for killing the born? Laws in all 50 says no, that it is justified to use lethal force to protect yourself, as well as any innocent born person from evil aggression. If it is just to defend the born, then why would you deny the same for the womb child if you believe their life is equal in value? I am not talking about after the fact as in vigilanteism. I am talking about evil aggression being acted out in front of you, and stopping it from happening. If you would deny force being used to defend innocent life in the womb, then you most print ya up a poster, and go protest at the police station, and take away everyones right and duty to protect the innocent from evil aggression. Logicly you simply can not have it both ways.

reply from: BossMomma

Why can't I care about the woman and the baby? Why do I have to value one more than the other?
FYI- I don't have a guilty conscience. Perhaps you do, since you don't understand what mercy and grace is.
Caring for woman and child is one thing, a good thing mind you. But your empathy for those who cash in on the deaths of the very children the pro-life movement is disturbing.
I could say cynically that both sides cash in on the death of children. There are those who raise money to fight abortion, and their lifestyle depends on those donations and if abortion ended they would be out of a job. Check into the NRL P&L statements.
As for abortion providers, I am against people shooting them. Abortion is a legal procedure as you well know. I think that misplaced empathy for women drives alot of the providers. People don't get up and say, I want to be evil, let me go to medical school for years and years so I can perform abortions because I hate babies. They do it because at least in the begining they want to help women.
I believe abortion should be against the law, and the abortion providers should be jailed if they perform abortion when it is against the law. That doesn't mean I get to hate abortion providers or like Faithboy applaude those who kill them!
As a Christian, I am required to live out the gospel which is good news for all people, not just those who sins I can tolerate....God was kind to me when I was a mess and lost and needing to be saved. He came for abortion providers and all the rest who were lost.
Killing an abortion provider is wrong and there is no justification for a pro-lifer to become an abortion provider themself by killing. However from your posts it does not even seem as though you see anything wrong with abortion, you, as I once did justify it with legality. I cannot speak for Faithman, his arguments are his own. But I hold no love or empathy for a doctor who violates his oath to do no harm and fail to see how you show them such compassion. Even Christ stated that Whomever should harm one of these little ones would be better off tying a mill stone around his neck and casting himself into the sea Matthew 18:6. As a Christian you know that Christ valued the lives of children above all else.
Just one point here. Are womb children's lives equal in value to born children? Is it justified to use deadly force to stop an evil aggressor from killing a born child? If it is just to use deadly force to stop aggression against the born, and if the preborn share the same valuable innocent life, then why do you devalue them by saying that we can not use the same amount of force to stop the evil aggression of abortion murder against the unborn? I am not an advocate, nor promoter of stopping the abortionist with lethal force. But niether will I join Cm and planned parenthood, by devaluing the womb child by condemning those who do. If you oppose the use of deadly force to stop aggression against the pre-born person, then you can not say it is right to use the same equally to defend the life of a born person. Look into the eyes of your children, and tell me what you would do if an evil person intended to chop them up with a butcher knife? Would you be justified in giving the sucker a lead enama from a 12 gauge? If it is justified to save a born child from such actions and evil people, how can you say you are for equality for the womb child, when in your statement, you just denied them equal value?
I did not devalue anyone, least of all the unborn. I spoke against murder of the born just as I speak against murder of the unborn. When a mother kills her born child she is given a trial and sentencing, I feel that the woman who kills her unborn child deserves the same, as does any cohort in the deed. Vigilanteism is outlawed for good reason as it keeps the violence inherent in humanity from burning out of control.
I understand your sentiment, but you totally avoided the question at hand. Is it vigilanteism to stop a killer for killing the born? Laws in all 50 says no, that it is justified to use lethal force to protect yourself, as well as any innocent born person from evil aggression. If it is just to defend the born, then why would you deny the same for the womb child if you believe their life is equal in value? I am not talking about after the fact as in vigilanteism. I am talking about evil aggression being acted out in front of you, and stopping it from happening. If you would deny force being used to defend innocent life in the womb, then you most print ya up a poster, and go protest at the police station, and take away everyones right and duty to protect the innocent from evil aggression. Logicly you simply can not have it both ways.
Currently abortion is not a crime, killing the born is therefore the person who kills an abortion provider would be thrown in prison or shot down by police, either way he'd do no good for the unborn. The dead abortionist would be replaced and the killing would carry on.
Outlawing abortion is paramount to saving the unborn, then these baby killers can face justice as any killer does. Let me help you outlaw abortion first, then if a father guns down the quack attempting to abort his child I will stand shoulder to shoulder with you in agreement.

reply from: faithman

Why can't I care about the woman and the baby? Why do I have to value one more than the other?
FYI- I don't have a guilty conscience. Perhaps you do, since you don't understand what mercy and grace is.
Caring for woman and child is one thing, a good thing mind you. But your empathy for those who cash in on the deaths of the very children the pro-life movement is disturbing.
I could say cynically that both sides cash in on the death of children. There are those who raise money to fight abortion, and their lifestyle depends on those donations and if abortion ended they would be out of a job. Check into the NRL P&L statements.
As for abortion providers, I am against people shooting them. Abortion is a legal procedure as you well know. I think that misplaced empathy for women drives alot of the providers. People don't get up and say, I want to be evil, let me go to medical school for years and years so I can perform abortions because I hate babies. They do it because at least in the begining they want to help women.
I believe abortion should be against the law, and the abortion providers should be jailed if they perform abortion when it is against the law. That doesn't mean I get to hate abortion providers or like Faithboy applaude those who kill them!
As a Christian, I am required to live out the gospel which is good news for all people, not just those who sins I can tolerate....God was kind to me when I was a mess and lost and needing to be saved. He came for abortion providers and all the rest who were lost.
Killing an abortion provider is wrong and there is no justification for a pro-lifer to become an abortion provider themself by killing. However from your posts it does not even seem as though you see anything wrong with abortion, you, as I once did justify it with legality. I cannot speak for Faithman, his arguments are his own. But I hold no love or empathy for a doctor who violates his oath to do no harm and fail to see how you show them such compassion. Even Christ stated that Whomever should harm one of these little ones would be better off tying a mill stone around his neck and casting himself into the sea Matthew 18:6. As a Christian you know that Christ valued the lives of children above all else.
Just one point here. Are womb children's lives equal in value to born children? Is it justified to use deadly force to stop an evil aggressor from killing a born child? If it is just to use deadly force to stop aggression against the born, and if the preborn share the same valuable innocent life, then why do you devalue them by saying that we can not use the same amount of force to stop the evil aggression of abortion murder against the unborn? I am not an advocate, nor promoter of stopping the abortionist with lethal force. But niether will I join Cm and planned parenthood, by devaluing the womb child by condemning those who do. If you oppose the use of deadly force to stop aggression against the pre-born person, then you can not say it is right to use the same equally to defend the life of a born person. Look into the eyes of your children, and tell me what you would do if an evil person intended to chop them up with a butcher knife? Would you be justified in giving the sucker a lead enama from a 12 gauge? If it is justified to save a born child from such actions and evil people, how can you say you are for equality for the womb child, when in your statement, you just denied them equal value?
I did not devalue anyone, least of all the unborn. I spoke against murder of the born just as I speak against murder of the unborn. When a mother kills her born child she is given a trial and sentencing, I feel that the woman who kills her unborn child deserves the same, as does any cohort in the deed. Vigilanteism is outlawed for good reason as it keeps the violence inherent in humanity from burning out of control.
I understand your sentiment, but you totally avoided the question at hand. Is it vigilanteism to stop a killer for killing the born? Laws in all 50 says no, that it is justified to use lethal force to protect yourself, as well as any innocent born person from evil aggression. If it is just to defend the born, then why would you deny the same for the womb child if you believe their life is equal in value? I am not talking about after the fact as in vigilanteism. I am talking about evil aggression being acted out in front of you, and stopping it from happening. If you would deny force being used to defend innocent life in the womb, then you most print ya up a poster, and go protest at the police station, and take away everyones right and duty to protect the innocent from evil aggression. Logicly you simply can not have it both ways.
Currently abortion is not a crime, killing the born is therefore the person who kills an abortion provider would be thrown in prison or shot down by police, either way he'd do no good for the unborn. The dead abortionist would be replaced and the killing would carry on.
Outlawing abortion is paramount to saving the unborn, then these baby killers can face justice as any killer does. Let me help you outlaw abortion first, then if a father guns down the quack attempting to abort his child I will stand shoulder to shoulder with you in agreement.
WELLL!! at least I got you half the way there, and is my stance pretty much as well. I just can not in good conscience condemn the actions of those who's acts say the womb child is equal to the born. Yes they more than likely will lose their life in the process. But I still will not say they were wrong in treating the womb child equally with the born. It is just, but not expediant. I agree that we must establish personhood, then let a jury of 12 figure it out.

reply from: BossMomma

Why can't I care about the woman and the baby? Why do I have to value one more than the other?
FYI- I don't have a guilty conscience. Perhaps you do, since you don't understand what mercy and grace is.
Caring for woman and child is one thing, a good thing mind you. But your empathy for those who cash in on the deaths of the very children the pro-life movement is disturbing.
I could say cynically that both sides cash in on the death of children. There are those who raise money to fight abortion, and their lifestyle depends on those donations and if abortion ended they would be out of a job. Check into the NRL P&L statements.
As for abortion providers, I am against people shooting them. Abortion is a legal procedure as you well know. I think that misplaced empathy for women drives alot of the providers. People don't get up and say, I want to be evil, let me go to medical school for years and years so I can perform abortions because I hate babies. They do it because at least in the begining they want to help women.
I believe abortion should be against the law, and the abortion providers should be jailed if they perform abortion when it is against the law. That doesn't mean I get to hate abortion providers or like Faithboy applaude those who kill them!
As a Christian, I am required to live out the gospel which is good news for all people, not just those who sins I can tolerate....God was kind to me when I was a mess and lost and needing to be saved. He came for abortion providers and all the rest who were lost.
Killing an abortion provider is wrong and there is no justification for a pro-lifer to become an abortion provider themself by killing. However from your posts it does not even seem as though you see anything wrong with abortion, you, as I once did justify it with legality. I cannot speak for Faithman, his arguments are his own. But I hold no love or empathy for a doctor who violates his oath to do no harm and fail to see how you show them such compassion. Even Christ stated that Whomever should harm one of these little ones would be better off tying a mill stone around his neck and casting himself into the sea Matthew 18:6. As a Christian you know that Christ valued the lives of children above all else.
Just one point here. Are womb children's lives equal in value to born children? Is it justified to use deadly force to stop an evil aggressor from killing a born child? If it is just to use deadly force to stop aggression against the born, and if the preborn share the same valuable innocent life, then why do you devalue them by saying that we can not use the same amount of force to stop the evil aggression of abortion murder against the unborn? I am not an advocate, nor promoter of stopping the abortionist with lethal force. But niether will I join Cm and planned parenthood, by devaluing the womb child by condemning those who do. If you oppose the use of deadly force to stop aggression against the pre-born person, then you can not say it is right to use the same equally to defend the life of a born person. Look into the eyes of your children, and tell me what you would do if an evil person intended to chop them up with a butcher knife? Would you be justified in giving the sucker a lead enama from a 12 gauge? If it is justified to save a born child from such actions and evil people, how can you say you are for equality for the womb child, when in your statement, you just denied them equal value?
I did not devalue anyone, least of all the unborn. I spoke against murder of the born just as I speak against murder of the unborn. When a mother kills her born child she is given a trial and sentencing, I feel that the woman who kills her unborn child deserves the same, as does any cohort in the deed. Vigilanteism is outlawed for good reason as it keeps the violence inherent in humanity from burning out of control.
I understand your sentiment, but you totally avoided the question at hand. Is it vigilanteism to stop a killer for killing the born? Laws in all 50 says no, that it is justified to use lethal force to protect yourself, as well as any innocent born person from evil aggression. If it is just to defend the born, then why would you deny the same for the womb child if you believe their life is equal in value? I am not talking about after the fact as in vigilanteism. I am talking about evil aggression being acted out in front of you, and stopping it from happening. If you would deny force being used to defend innocent life in the womb, then you most print ya up a poster, and go protest at the police station, and take away everyones right and duty to protect the innocent from evil aggression. Logicly you simply can not have it both ways.
Currently abortion is not a crime, killing the born is therefore the person who kills an abortion provider would be thrown in prison or shot down by police, either way he'd do no good for the unborn. The dead abortionist would be replaced and the killing would carry on.
Outlawing abortion is paramount to saving the unborn, then these baby killers can face justice as any killer does. Let me help you outlaw abortion first, then if a father guns down the quack attempting to abort his child I will stand shoulder to shoulder with you in agreement.
WELLL!! at least I got you half the way there, and is my stance pretty much as well. I just can not in good conscience condemn the actions of those who's acts say the womb child is equal to the born. Yes they more than likely will lose their life in the process. But I still will not say they were wrong in treating the womb child equally with the born. It is just, but not expediant. I agree that we must establish personhood, then let a jury of 12 figure it out.
Agreed.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Actually to my knowledge those passages in Matthew are the stubling block passages I adore so much. By "young ones" Jesus meant both literal children and also adults who are "children" (new) to the faith of Christianity. At least that's what my pastor said, and I happen to think he makes a lot of sense.

reply from: BossMomma

Actually to my knowledge those passages in Matthew are the stubling block passages I adore so much. By "young ones" Jesus meant both literal children and also adults who are "children" (new) to the faith of Christianity. At least that's what my pastor said, and I happen to think he makes a lot of sense.
Christ also said Suffer the little children and let them come to me for the kingdom of heaven is meant for such as these. Would you like to argue that as well?

reply from: faithman

Actually to my knowledge those passages in Matthew are the stubling block passages I adore so much. By "young ones" Jesus meant both literal children and also adults who are "children" (new) to the faith of Christianity. At least that's what my pastor said, and I happen to think he makes a lot of sense.
Christ also said Suffer the little children and let them come to me for the kingdom of heaven is meant for such as these. Would you like to argue that as well?
Dad gone literalist!!!! Don't you know liberals have a licence to make things mean what the want it to mean no matter the original intent? SHEEEEESH!!!

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Something just occured to me, and I don't yet know how I feel about it. It's based off of something someone said.
Killing born people is most certainly wrong AND illegal.
Right now, most of us would agree it would be against the law to shoot a doctor and/or the woman getting an abortion, because what they are doing is not currently illegal. You may have a different opinion on the morality of that act. In my opinion, it would also be morally wrong.
However, if abortion became illegal and you saw a doctor performing an abortion on a woman, would you have any legal right to shoot him and/or her? Would the act suddenly be any more "morally" right than it was before? To me, no, the act would still be morally wrong.
All that has changed is a law. Moralities are separate from laws, it's just that laws are often based on moralities. My morals state it is wrong to kill people, born or unborn.
I understand that some of you will feel that shooting the doctor would be defending the life of the unborn child.
However, it just doesn't feel right to me, and that's all I can go off for my internal moralities. That's really how I first started questioning my pro-choice views. I always felt that too many abortions and late term abortions were immoral.
I just feel it would be very wrong for citizens to start picking up guns and storming into clinics after abortion was illegalized, shooting anyone they thought was involved in an abortion. Several of you have already stated you think that the nurses and the secretaries and anyone who works at the clinic is responsible for the abortion, and I think one of you has wished the death penalty on all of these people. So it's not really that far of a stretch.
Do I think the doctor who performs an abortion after it is illegal should go to jail for manslaughter? Yes, after a trial of course. Do I think the woman should go through some kind of therapy and/or punishment? Yes, after a psychiatric evaluation. But the doctor should recieve more punishment because he is the one who actually DID it, he is the one getting paid blood money. If he didn't offer those services, she couldn't have aborted - surgically, anyway.
I think the woman should have some kind of communitty service she should have to perform, perhaps at a pregnancy crisis center or in a maternity ward... see babies born that she is now not going to have because she killed it. For nine months.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Actually to my knowledge those passages in Matthew are the stubling block passages I adore so much. By "young ones" Jesus meant both literal children and also adults who are "children" (new) to the faith of Christianity. At least that's what my pastor said, and I happen to think he makes a lot of sense.
Christ also said Suffer the little children and let them come to me for the kingdom of heaven is meant for such as these. Would you like to argue that as well?
I'm NOT arguing.

reply from: lukesmom

Am I aging myself when I say I remember when that song came out? That line was a great hit here in WI and still is! I still say that to my youngest every first snowfall.

reply from: faithman

Am I aging myself when I say I remember when that song came out? That line was a great hit here in WI and still is! I still say that to my youngest every first snowfall.
Burchim red neck in centerville. A nice place to raise your kidds up. And if you slap nanucks favorite baby seal with a led filled snow shoe, you might get a dog doo snow cone in each eye. But don't steal the margareen at St. Elmo's pancake breafast.... snicker snicker.

reply from: faithman

Have to admit. This post shows you are actually thinking anyway. If someone is about to kill a born child, all 50 states justify the use of deadly force by any citizen, not just the police. SSSSOOOO you are against that as well? I should not stop a gun toten rapist from doing you harm, if it means I have to deadly force is nessisary to make him stop? And if you are pro-life as you claim, why would you deny the same protection and value to the pre-born person?

reply from: lukesmom

When I was a kid the snow started falling around Thanksgiving. Farmers often didn't get the corn out of the fields in time. I remember having to make a tunnel out the basement door! For the past umteen years, we've had very little snow even on Christmas. Last year and this year are starting to look like we are getting back to normal snow wise, finally. Now as a mom, I am not thrilled. I have been drying snowpants, coats, kids, you name it. Oh don't forget the floors. I've pretty much given up on that fight! This year I'm especially worried as my oldest will, hopefully, be getting his driver's license after Christmas. Snow is a very mixed "blessing" and don't get me started in ice!

reply from: carolemarie

Your perversion of the gospel does not jive with the prayer of Christ Himself. John 17:9. Jesus bought the whole world with His blood so that no one has excuse. But Jesus did not pray for the whole world, Only those who were given to Him of the Father. Jesus only came for the Elect, those the Father has given Him. If the abortion provider is not of the elect, then the wrath of God abides on him [John 3:36], and God point blank says He hates them [Psalm 5:5] . I will follow the words and prayer of Christ, not some scripture perverting, baby hating killer of three. You have the right to spew your error, and I have the duty to show just how wrong you are.
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I am not a Calvinist, so I don't agree with this interpretation of scripture.
Jesus came for all men, not just some, and died for all sins, not some sins. He desires that all men come to Him and live.
Whoever calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved
If you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart you will be saved.

reply from: faithman

I am not a calvanist either, I simply believe what the book says. Salvation is a soverien work of God. No one comes unless the Father draws, and Christ did not pray for the whole world, He only prayed for those that were His, given to Him of the Father. It doesn't matter if scripture perverters like it or not. Particularly a self deluded baby killer.

reply from: carolemarie

Well, then if YOU are not elect and the abortion provider is then he gets in and you don't!
That is a perversion of the gospel.
All humans are detined for hell, because all of us have fallen short.
Jesus came and paid the price so ALL could be saved

reply from: Nulono

Have to admit. This post shows you are actually thinking anyway. If someone is about to kill a born child, all 50 states justify the use of deadly force by any citizen, not just the police. SSSSOOOO you are against that as well? I should not stop a gun toten rapist from doing you harm, if it means I have to deadly force is nessisary to make him stop? And if you are pro-life as you claim, why would you deny the same protection and value to the pre-born person?
Yes, but you actually have to catch them in the act; you have to have a particular person you're defending. Killing a serial rapist (or even serial murderer) when he's picking up a burger is not justified.

reply from: Nulono

Why, because of what our ancestors did?

reply from: Cecilia

Look at how you want to harm people. You want them to suffer. Women who seek abortion after it's illegal (if) are probably desperate women who will do anything to get abortion. You want to hurt them.
So many prolifers on this forum want to hurt people.

reply from: BossMomma

Look at how you want to harm people. You want them to suffer. Women who seek abortion after it's illegal (if) are probably desperate women who will do anything to get abortion. You want to hurt them.
So many prolifers on this forum want to hurt people.
So then is it as callous to imprison a woman who kills her born child? Maybe Susan Smith should have been given more sympathy for locking her two sons in her car and coasting it into a river instead of the life sentence she recieved.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Look at how you want to harm people. You want them to suffer. Women who seek abortion after it's illegal (if) are probably desperate women who will do anything to get abortion. You want to hurt them.
So many prolifers on this forum want to hurt people.
She killed her own child when it was illegal. She should have to face some kind of punishment for breaking the law at least.

reply from: faithman

Look at how you want to harm people. You want them to suffer. Women who seek abortion after it's illegal (if) are probably desperate women who will do anything to get abortion. You want to hurt them.
So many prolifers on this forum want to hurt people.
No dumb a$$. We just want you pro death scum to quit hurting womb children. Why do you scum baggs insist upon hurting womb children with abortion?!!

reply from: faithman

Have to admit. This post shows you are actually thinking anyway. If someone is about to kill a born child, all 50 states justify the use of deadly force by any citizen, not just the police. SSSSOOOO you are against that as well? I should not stop a gun toten rapist from doing you harm, if it means I have to deadly force is nessisary to make him stop? And if you are pro-life as you claim, why would you deny the same protection and value to the pre-born person?
Yes, but you actually have to catch them in the act; you have to have a particular person you're defending. Killing a serial rapist (or even serial murderer) when he's picking up a burger is not justified.
...and just who said it was?

reply from: CharlesD

I don't want to hurt people. I want to keep people from being murdered. ALL people.

reply from: lukesmom

Look at how you want to harm people. You want them to suffer. Women who seek abortion after it's illegal (if) are probably desperate women who will do anything to get abortion. You want to hurt them.
So many prolifers on this forum want to hurt people.
If a woman seeks an abortion and consents to have one performed on her after abortion is illegal, she is hurting herself by her own actions. Exactly how do we want to "hurt people"? How do we "harm people"? How do we want them to "suffer"? I don't understand your accusations.

reply from: kd78

wow! you got a snow day already. here, the snow's been pretty low and hasn't lasted long so far. i'm hoping for a white christmas...lol... my baby's first snows should be during her first week of life ummm when she can't go out to see it...lol
so the southern states have snow, but ohio has like frost! wtf?! one of our dog's loves snow and cold

reply from: yoda

Such is the proabort way of thinking: they claim (although they know better) that the unborn babies are not real "people", probably not even human beings, so killing them is just a hobby, a pastime, a way to make a living..... no big deal. They just don't feel anything when the phrase "killing an innocent human being" is spoken or read.

reply from: BossMomma

Such is the proabort way of thinking: they claim (although they know better) that the unborn babies are not real "people", probably not even human beings, so killing them is just a hobby, a pastime, a way to make a living..... no big deal. They just don't feel anything when the phrase "killing an innocent human being" is spoken or read.
I really don't know what they feel while having an abortion and really neither do you. It seems to me that they have to lie to themselves to justify what they do, I know I did while advocating for pro-choice, but in the end I'd read through my own writings and wonder how I could so blatantly dehumanize the very life I carried.

reply from: faithman

Sad how this fun little thred was messed up by bortheads and false pro-lifers.

reply from: BossMomma

Eh, it happens no matter how cute and cuddly the thread. I'm tempted to put my birth announcement in PMs to select people just so no one has a chance to trash my good news and harsh my buzz.

reply from: faithman

Eh, it happens no matter how cute and cuddly the thread. I'm tempted to put my birth announcement in PMs to select people just so no one has a chance to trash my good news and harsh my buzz.
There are also private threds.

reply from: BossMomma

Eh, it happens no matter how cute and cuddly the thread. I'm tempted to put my birth announcement in PMs to select people just so no one has a chance to trash my good news and harsh my buzz.
There are also private threds.
True that.

reply from: Nulono

Why can't I care about the woman and the baby? Why do I have to value one more than the other?
FYI- I don't have a guilty conscience. Perhaps you do, since you don't understand what mercy and grace is.
But women who have abortions are not doing it out of mallace, but out of miseducation and/or perceived necessity.

reply from: BossMomma

Why can't I care about the woman and the baby? Why do I have to value one more than the other?
FYI- I don't have a guilty conscience. Perhaps you do, since you don't understand what mercy and grace is.
But women who have abortions are not doing it out of mallace, but out of miseducation and/or perceived necessity.
Or indifference.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Why can't I care about the woman and the baby? Why do I have to value one more than the other?
FYI- I don't have a guilty conscience. Perhaps you do, since you don't understand what mercy and grace is.
But women who have abortions are not doing it out of mallace, but out of miseducation and/or perceived necessity.
Or indifference.
They are indifferent because they are mis-educated and think they need to do it.

reply from: yoda

True, which is why I didn't claim to.
I think that people lie to themselves, and go into deep denial in order to be able to do something that they think is in their self interests, but also know is wrong. And I do believe that it's a voluntary action.

reply from: faithman

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Would that be "malice," Mr. Semicolon?
Hey!!! Just because a fella only has are small intestonal track, you shopuldn't make fun of it. Thats lower than earth worm spit.

reply from: lukesmom

Or indifference.
Actually, I see them having an abortion out of fear and weakness.

reply from: lukesmom

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I know plenty of brave, strong women who have chosen to terminate a pregnancy.
What do YOU know about their motivation?
I know what I have felt when I thought I was pregnant, single and when I actually was pregnant and didn't want another AND when I was pregnant and told my CHILD was going to die. Been there and done all that and STILL am prolife and have most of my children and my integrety intact. I know all about motivation, fear, courage and weakness. How about you?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

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You know nothing about another woman's motivation.
How dare you. You know exactly what Lukesmom has been through and you DARE accuse her of knowing nothing about courage?

reply from: BossMomma

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Would that be "malice," Mr. Semicolon?
ROTFLMAO!! Eat your heart out Mr. English/Lit.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

This post of yours isn't very clear. Maybe you only meant motivation, but by quoting all of it and only making one statement without further explanation, it sounds as if you are attacking not just her first comment, but all comments that follow. That includes courage. By the way, fear and courage ARE some of the motivations. No one can know EXACTLY, but someone with experience like Lukesmom can certainly IDENTIFY much more closely with another woman in that same or similar situation.

reply from: lukesmom

This post of yours isn't very clear. Maybe you only meant motivation, but by quoting all of it and only making one statement without further explanation, it sounds as if you are attacking not just her first comment, but all comments that follow. That includes courage. By the way, fear and courage ARE some of the motivations. No one can know EXACTLY, but someone with experience like Lukesmom can certainly IDENTIFY much more closely with another woman in that same or similar situation.
Thank you lib. Spinny-a couple of times when I was single, I thought I was pg. Being from a pretty strict conservative family, I was terrified. My dh and I then went through 5 yrs of infertility (If I would have known that when I was single, it would have saved me a lot of fear!). Finally, we had our first and second when I was going through nursing school and working part time. Yes, it can be done. When I was pg with our 3rd our insurance was closed down. We found out 2 days after delivering that we had no coverage for any of the pregnancy and got a years worth of medical bills dropped on us at once. Both dh and I are uninsurable and he was self employed and I couldn't work enough hours due to the kids to qualify for insurance. Then I became pg again and cried forever because we just couldn't do it financially and I mc. Oops #2 and we were elated and somehow everything worked out and were able to qualify for assistance finally. Then Luke. I can tell you everything about fear and wanting out of an unwanted pregnancy. I would have done ANYTHING NOT to be pregnant and then just when I had accepted having another being told he was going to die. God, I would have gone through anything at that moment to be out of hell.
Don't tell me about fear. I CAN tell you for sure that the biggest reason most women abort is fear. Fear of telling their parents, fear of how their life will change, fear of parenthood, fear of the financial implications of a child or another child, fear of abuse from their SO, fear of not having the future they invisioned for themselves, fear of carrying a child who is not perfect, fear of causing a loved child pain and the list of fears goes on and on and on.
Real courage is in the accepting and going on in face of that fear. Selflessness is giving up 9 months (actually less because of time served before a woman actually knows she's pg) in a woman's life span of, most likely, 70-80+ yrs. Pregnancy is a blip in a mother's lifetime actually.

reply from: Rosalie

Look at how you want to harm people. You want them to suffer. Women who seek abortion after it's illegal (if) are probably desperate women who will do anything to get abortion. You want to hurt them.
So many prolifers on this forum want to hurt people.
No dumb a$$. We just want you pro death scum to quit hurting womb children. Why do you scum baggs insist upon hurting womb children with abortion?!!
Why should anyone care what anyone, especially someone as horrible as you thinks about their reproductive lives?
This post of yours isn't very clear. Maybe you only meant motivation, but by quoting all of it and only making one statement without further explanation, it sounds as if you are attacking not just her first comment, but all comments that follow. That includes courage. By the way, fear and courage ARE some of the motivations. No one can know EXACTLY, but someone with experience like Lukesmom can certainly IDENTIFY much more closely with another woman in that same or similar situation.
You seem quite prejudiced. I thought it was absolutely clear that since spinwiddy did not point out any other thing Luke'sMom BUT other woman's motivation, she means just that - other woman's motivation. There wasn't even a hint of implication that Luke'sMom hasn't had her share of fear or does not know courage.
You have clearly jumped the gun, probably just because spinwiddy's pro-choice.
YOUR fear is not other women's fear. Sure, there often is fear involved - fear of not being able to make it, fear of not being able to be a good parent, fear or judgment (and THIS kind of fear is something many posters here gladly encourage - which is sickening) ... but sometimes the women just do not want to be moms, they don't want to be pregnant, they just don't want to go through with it, for whatever reason. Sometimes there is no fear. You can't generalize.
The same thing goes for what you consider courage. What I consider real courage is knowing your limits. Knowing what you want to do, knowing whether you want to do it at all and make choices based on the best interests for yourself and your loved ones you just automatically take into consideration. And somewhere in there is knowing whether you want to have kids at all and if so, how many of them you are able to love and care/provide for.

reply from: yoda

There's some of that, too. There are quite a variety or reasons given in the surveys by Guttmacher and others, but all of them have one thing in common: It's all about ME.

reply from: Rosalie

I wish you could send some of the snow to New York.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

This post of yours isn't very clear.
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Seven words.
Seven.
I couldn't make it any clearer.
I could write seven words of gibberish, but that doesn't mean they'll make sense. In fact, sometimes simplicity obfuscates your true meaning.

reply from: faithman

I wish you could send some of the snow to New York.
Why? so you could paint it red with the blood of slaughtered womb children?

reply from: BossMomma

I wish you could send some of the snow to New York.
New York isn't snowing yet? My best friend in Illinois said she'd already gotten snowed in once this year.

reply from: Rosalie

I wish you could send some of the snow to New York.
Why? so you could paint it red with the blood of slaughtered womb children?
Sure. That's my favorite Friday night entertainment.

reply from: Rosalie

I wish you could send some of the snow to New York.
New York isn't snowing yet? My best friend in Illinois said she'd already gotten snowed in once this year.
It's been really cold around here these past few days. Today there's like 62 °F outside - so no chance of snow for us today.

reply from: faithman

I wish you could send some of the snow to New York.
Why? so you could paint it red with the blood of slaughtered womb children?
Sure. That's my favorite Friday night entertainment.
AAAAAHHHH the veil is rent, the scales removed, and all there is to be seen is the dark mid night of an empty depraved soul. Very sad indeed.

reply from: Rosalie

I wish you could send some of the snow to New York.
Why? so you could paint it red with the blood of slaughtered womb children?
Sure. That's my favorite Friday night entertainment.
AAAAAHHHH the veil is rent, the scales removed, and all there is to be seen is the dark mid night of an empty depraved soul. Very sad indeed.
irony
- noun, plural -nies.
1. the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, "How nice!" when I said I had to work all weekend.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony

sarcasm
1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2. a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sarcasm

Both of these are CLEARLY lost on your fanatical mind.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I wish you could send some of the snow to New York.
New York isn't snowing yet? My best friend in Illinois said she'd already gotten snowed in once this year.
New York is currently suffering from some deep snow and a severe ice storm that has left a lot of the capital region without power.

reply from: Rosalie

Well, there's definitely no snow in NYC right now.

reply from: Hosea

Oh my Bossmomma,
How hard it must be for you to help your kids in the snow when you are 8 months pregnant. I remember those times in snow geer and not being to bend over well to get the kids ski pants on and off. It was a real physical struggle. What a good mom you are!

reply from: ProInformed

Coolness! (Literally LOL)
The other day I was wondering who made the first snow angel?
And did they know that it was going to catch on as such a popular playing in the snow tradition?

reply from: ProInformed

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Try maple syrup snowcones. A co worker made them for me after I had some BRUTAL dental work. They are wonderful.
(She also makes her kids snowcones when they're sick, and uses that cherry anti-nausea syrup to flavor them. She says it's the easiest way to get that goo down an ailing child.)
hmmm... maybe that is why I never much liked the taste of snowcones? LOL
Maybe my Mom knew that trick too? LOL

reply from: faithman

Coolness! (Literally LOL)
The other day I was wondering who made the first snow angel?
And did they know that it was going to catch on as such a popular playing in the snow tradition?
SSSSSOOOO what do the pro deathers do? Make snow abortionist?

reply from: ProInformed

lol I took my dog out in the front yard to use the bathroom and she took a big steaming dump right next to the snowman. I rearranged his face from a smile to a
LOL - Go put a clothespin on his nose now.

reply from: ProInformed

Coolness! (Literally LOL)
The other day I was wondering who made the first snow angel?
And did they know that it was going to catch on as such a popular playing in the snow tradition?
Hey! I looked up Snow Angels and this is what I found:
"Snow Angels were invented by Anna Thomas in 1904 when she fell onto the ground, on her back. She was quite clumsy, and thus was unable to get up after her fall, and kind of squirmed around for a minute on the ground. After she eventually got up, she realized that her misfortune had created an angelic figure in the snow. Thus, the creation of the snow angel."
"

reply from: AshMarie88

Seriously, snow SUCKS. It started snowing this morning and isn't stopping yet... We are supposwed to get about 6 inches. But I was driving my boyfriend Matt to work and I was not even speeding. I was maybe going 20 mph at the most. I was going down the hill to merge onto John Deere Road (the hill after you go past Blackhawk College). I had put on my breaks a little bit to try and slow down because there was a vehicle in front of me and I seemed to be going faster than it. I tried my breaks again and they locked up, so I'm trying to pump them and nothing works (because the roads are so icy), and so to avoid hitting the vehicle in front of me, and since no vehicles were behind me, I decided to quickly turn the wheel and my car onto this snowy hill near the woods (we didn't go into the woods, but it was the hilly part). I let go of the wheel after I turned and I just stopped because my car went over the curb and hit the bank (I guess you'd call it a bank?) I sat there for a minute with Matt and took a deep breath, and was relieved. So I backed right back up and this time it was easier to actually drive down the hill.
Scared me to death tho.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Try getting 15 FEET in one week.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

As a proud Northern New Yorker, let me remind the rest of the world that there is more to New York than "The City".

reply from: CharlesD

Tell me about it. The last time I was in Houston I was picking up a load at the airport. A mosquito landed and some guy came out and pumped 25 gallons of aviation fuel into it before he realized what it was.

reply from: nancyu

Coolness! (Literally LOL)
The other day I was wondering who made the first snow angel?
And did they know that it was going to catch on as such a popular playing in the snow tradition?
SSSSSOOOO what do the pro deathers do? Make snow abortionist?
Do you really think they've ever even been outside in the cold?

reply from: faithman

Coolness! (Literally LOL)
The other day I was wondering who made the first snow angel?
And did they know that it was going to catch on as such a popular playing in the snow tradition?
SSSSSOOOO what do the pro deathers do? Make snow abortionist?
Do you really think they've ever even been outside in the cold?
I figure they would be in their element, considering the coldness of their pro-death heart.

reply from: nancyu

I like snow and as a rural mail carrier, I drive in it often. Here's a tip. You know the two second rule that tells you to allow two seconds between yourself and the person ahead of you? I change that to the three second rule, and add a second for every hazard such as snow, ice, fog, a vehicle with something in tow, etc.
Also try getting the feel for driving on ice by playing around and cutting some donuts in a vacant parking lot. It's fun when you get used to it!


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