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Nothing in this world is more cowardly than murdering such little tots.

by: Timeofgrace

Think about it . When a little tot is murdered in every circumstance it is a cowardly act .
I cant think of any bigger coward than A Grown man who would murder some one who is so tiny and helpless.
you would think the shame of being such a coward would win out over the money for doing it . Instaed The law protects these weasly cowards.
At least we know what type of humans were dealing with.
little cowards.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

You clearly do NOT understand the mindset of a woman who thinks her only "logical" choice is to abort. She thinks it is "for the best". She thinks her life will be "ruined" if she carries and gives birth. And with the way today's society treats unmarried pregnant women, it's no surprise these women feel like they have to defend themselves and their livelihoods against the unborn child. These women truly feel threatened by their pregnancies.
What I feel we as pro-lifers should do is help to END this societal abuse. We can help make that change. Yes, these women ARE scared; but you do not chastize and insult and berate a scared person! You HELP them. You take away their fears of you can, you help them see the silver lining and you help them to realise that their fears are unfounded... that everything WILL be ok.

reply from: Banned Member

· 25.5% of women deciding to have an abortion want to postpone childbearing. -SELFISH
· 21.3% of women cannot afford a baby. -SELFISH
· 14.1% of women have a relationship issue or their partner does not want a child. -SELFISH
· 12.2% of women are too young (their parents or others object to the pregnancy.) -SELFISH
· 10.8% of women feel a child will disrupt their education or career. -SELFISH
· 7.9% of women want no (more) children. -SELFISH
· 3.3% of women have an abortion due to a risk to fetal health. -ILLOGICAL
· 2.8% of women have an abortion due to a risk to maternal health. -COWARDLY

reply from: Banned Member

Filthy scuzzers that get painful STDs because they are willing to mount anything that breaths. -POETIC JUSTICE

reply from: LiberalChiRo

You're a piece of work Augustine. You've never feared for you life, that's clear. Never been in danger. NO woman should be forced to DIE to give birth.
You've never truly felt the terror of an accidental pregnancy - or even the possibility of one. But then again, you've never been in love, so what do you know of these things? Nothing.
Until you have truly been in danger, you cannot speak of cowardice. The "relationship issue" is DOMESTIC ABUSE, and until you have been the victim of that, you cannot call it "selfish".
You have NO experience in these things, so you have NO right to talk down on these women. You are pond scum compared to a woman who has been raped or been abused, and lived to tell the tale. You are trash compared to a woman who has faced a dangerous pregnancy no matter HOW she ended it. You are NOTHING.
You verbally ABUSE women on this forum. How does it feel to be abusive? Makes you feel good? I'm sure you verbally abuse women outside of clinics. Gives you a rush, doesn't it? Face it; you have denied yourself sexual pleasure so now you get your carnal desires fed by being verbally abusive to women. What a GREAT "guy" you are. You're a pitiful excuse for a man.
Are you even employed? You are a SLOTH. You feel the urge to insult and you get a rush from it; you LUST for it. You get angry when when women defy you; you have WRATH. You are ENVIOUS of those who have had good lives and who live freer than you have confined yourself.
But your biggest sin? You are PROUD, Augustine. You are arrogant.

reply from: faithman

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Is Augustine a raging douche nozzle, or am I just ultra-sensitive this morning?
No. You are just pro-baby killing scum. Nothing sensitive about that at all.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

My comments don't just apply to Augustine, though the celibacy ones do. Faithman, you are also scum compared to a woman with an unwanted pregnancy. She is far more human than you ever will be, unless you drastically change your tone.

reply from: faithman

You're a piece of work Augustine. You've never feared for you life, that's clear. Never been in danger. NO woman should be forced to DIE to give birth.
You've never truly felt the terror of an accidental pregnancy - or even the possibility of one. But then again, you've never been in love, so what do you know of these things? Nothing.
Until you have truly been in danger, you cannot speak of cowardice. The "relationship issue" is DOMESTIC ABUSE, and until you have been the victim of that, you cannot call it "selfish".
You have NO experience in these things, so you have NO right to talk down on these women. You are pond scum compared to a woman who has been raped or been abused, and lived to tell the tale. You are trash compared to a woman who has faced a dangerous pregnancy no matter HOW she ended it. You are NOTHING.
You verbally ABUSE women on this forum. How does it feel to be abusive? Makes you feel good? I'm sure you verbally abuse women outside of clinics. Gives you a rush, doesn't it? Face it; you have denied yourself sexual pleasure so now you get your carnal desires fed by being verbally abusive to women. What a GREAT "guy" you are. You're a pitiful excuse for a man.
Are you even employed? You are a SLOTH. You feel the urge to insult and you get a rush from it; you LUST for it. You get angry when when women defy you; you have WRATH. You are ENVIOUS of those who have had good lives and who live freer than you have confined yourself.
But your biggest sin? You are PROUD, Augustine. You are arrogant.
The little scuzz wodd death scank pretender really showing their true color eh? Oh the little rant totally boo hooing for killer mom, but not one word spoken for the womb child that was killed by the death scank. The false PLer's mercy for mom over rides life for baby again. And by the way toots, Augustine and I dislike male murders just as much as we don't care for the female ones. You are the prejudice one. You don't think that the childs life is equal in value. You are the one making it about gender, not us. You want women to have a special right to kill just because things may be a little ruff. That is lower that a snakes belly in a wagon rut. But that is just me.

reply from: Timeofgrace


yes even the women who abort they are afraid and not brave enough to protect their children.
they are cowards .A brave women does not Murder her child .

reply from: LiberalChiRo

yes even the women who abort they are afraid and not brave enough to protect their children.
they are cowards .A brave women does not Murder her child .
Again, you clearly have NO idea what these women are feeling. You have no right to judge them. Being afraid and being a coward are two completely different things.
All it takes to turn a frightened woman into a brave woman is a kind word and a helping hand. All it takes to turn her to abortion is an insult just like yours.

reply from: SRUW4I5

So, doing what you think is the right thing to do makes you a coward?
Is it even possible to protect an unborn child? How can you "protect" it so the umbilical cord doesn't wrap around its neck three times very tightly and kill it?
It's not murder.
(Source: http://www.yourdictionary.com/murder)

Depending on how you look at it, abortion fits 1/5 definitions. The way I view it, abortion is not murder by any of those definitions.

reply from: faithman

So, doing what you think is the right thing to do makes you a coward?
Is it even possible to protect an unborn child? How can you "protect" it so the umbilical cord doesn't wrap around its neck three times very tightly and kill it?
It's not murder.
(Source: http://www.yourdictionary.com/murderwww.yourdictionary.com/murder)

Depending on how you look at it, abortion fits 1/5 definitions. The way I view it, abortion is not murder by any of those definitions.
AAAAAHHHHH the pro-death sewer rat speaketh. The willingly blind refuse to view any truth that would show what low lifes they are.

reply from: faithman

I change nothing at the whim of a death scank. Don't like the tone, don't listen.

reply from: Timeofgrace

So, doing what you think is the right thing to do makes you a coward?
Is it even possible to protect an unborn child? How can you "protect" it so the umbilical cord doesn't wrap around its neck three times very tightly and kill it?
It's not murder.
(Source: http://www.yourdictionary.com/murderwww.yourdictionary.com/murder)

Depending on how you look at it, abortion fits 1/5 definitions. The way I view it, abortion is not murder by any of those definitions.
They are not doing what is right . They are taking the easy way out because of being afraid .
We ALL in our lives have done things cowards do every one of us has been coward enough to recognize cowardness.
Thats why it is so awsome when we find a mother who chooses her child over every obstacle . which ones of us can claim this ? This is something very few of us are familar with true bravery .
a mother does not have to protect her child in the womb from the hand of God
he loves them more than she ever could .
If he takes them ITS FOR THEIR GOOD.
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reply from: SRUW4I5

Maybe not, but they do what they think is right (in some cases) or what they think is best. What you think is right or wrong, can be different from what someone else thinks is right or wrong. I feel bad for the women that abort because they think it's the right thing to do. I also feel bad for the ones that abort because they think it's best. Instead of making them feel worse, we should show them that there are better options, and show them why not aborting is "right".
I had put the word "think" in the originally, because whether or not they are correct in thinking it is right is a matter of opinion, it is what they think, and they can be (probably are) wrong.
It may not seem like the "easy way out" and they might not be afraid. Atleast in my case, the outcome of the abortion was better for all involved (my mom wouldn't have let me give it up for adoption, and it would have been very bad the kid to have to be around my mom).
Yes, because not letting someone live, experience pain & pleasure, see all the good things this world has to offer, and not letting them meet their parents is soo good for them.
I don't believe there is a God, but if you want to believe there is, and say what he does, please do, I like finding out other's opinions.
I have a question for you: What good can come of you calling people cowards, insulting them, and trying (possibly succeeding) to make them feel bad?
I've always gotten better results by nicely asking people why they think something is "right" or the "best" option, then showing them how another option can be better for all involved. All insulting people does is make them less likely to take what you say seriously, if they even listen to you afte that. It could also make them against your side, even if your side is the "right" side.

reply from: Timeofgrace

Maybe not, but they do what they think is right (in some cases) or what they think is best. What you think is right or wrong, can be different from what someone else thinks is right or wrong. I feel bad for the women that abort because they think it's the right thing to do. I also feel bad for the ones that abort because they think it's best. Instead of making them feel worse, we should show them that there are better options, and show them why not aborting is "right".
I had put the word "think" in the originally, because whether or not they are correct in thinking it is right is a matter of opinion, it is what they think, and they can be (probably are) wrong.
It may not seem like the "easy way out" and they might not be afraid. Atleast in my case, the outcome of the abortion was better for all involved (my mom wouldn't have let me give it up for adoption, and it would have been very bad the kid to have to be around my mom).
Yes, because not letting someone live, experience pain & pleasure, see all the good things this world has to offer, and not letting them meet their parents is soo good for them.
I don't believe there is a God, but if you want to believe there is, and say what he does, please do, I like finding out other's opinions.
I have a question for you: What good can come of you calling people cowards, insulting them, and trying (possibly succeeding) to make them feel bad?
I've always gotten better results by nicely asking people why they think something is "right" or the "best" option, then showing them how another option can be better for all involved. All insulting people does is make them less likely to take what you say seriously, if they even listen to you afte that. It could also make them against your side, even if your side is the "right" side.
Lady I think its wrong sugar coating sin . Your guilty of Murder and no matter how you try to justify that fact your conscience and also others will accuse you of that truth.
Sure i know a lot of people who are guilty of things they have done wrong just like you they also claim God doesnt exist . if there is No God that won't have to face the music for what they have done wrong------- no God no hell .
Only a fool believes in their heart that there is no God .
I personaly would rather live Guilt free by The blood of Jesus and not have to be concerned about going to hell .Because Jesus took the wrath of God in our place
and for our sin's.
But untill you trust in Jesus his complete and free forgivness Your going to feel Guilty for what you have done and have to one day face a God on your sinful merits rather than Jesus his perfect merits in your sinful place..
You ask me what Good can come out of making people bad for their sin's they commit? The goodness of Christ and him crucified for them in their place.
God than can show them His Son's perfect sacrifice and perfet goodness that he accepts as their goodness if they allow him to.

reply from: Nulono

Meh. I think losing a fight to such little tots would be more so...

reply from: Timeofgrace


Are you sure ? Think about it again .

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I change nothing at the whim of a death scank. Don't like the tone, don't listen.
How am I pro-death? Proof, please. Also, how am I a scank? Proof, please.

reply from: 4given

Yiou don't know that.
You don't know that either.
Anyone can call it whatever they choose. Again, you don't know anything about him. Does this mean that you can not speak either? Is your opinion only one of value if you have lived through either scenario you comment on?
And you are an abusive hate-monger that chooses to attack an honest poster likely due to personal issues with him. Evidence again below..
Don't continue to make a fool of yourself. You owe him an apology, just as the rest of the forum for having to tread through your hate-filled debris. He hasn't "verbally abused" anyone. Yet you do..
Your petty desire to discredit him has crossed the line again. I have to wonder myself how you manage to post so often during the day when you are supposed to be working with developmentally challenged children. You are so far off with your judgmental ramblings here. It is disgusting.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Yes I do know all of that, because otherwise Augustine would be a totally different person. Sane, for one thing. Compassionate for another.
Verbal abuse is calling women COWARDS, or did you miss that post?

reply from: 4given

Please. He has opinions as you do. That wasn't abuse, that was an opinion. He is both sane and compassionate. I question *you* however as your outbursts are quite distracting.

reply from: faithman

I change nothing at the whim of a death scank. Don't like the tone, don't listen.
How am I pro-death? Proof, please. Also, how am I a scank? Proof, please.
You have taken up the cause of planned parenthood which is the number one killer of womb children, and promoter of sex outside of marriage. Yepper, that pretty much makes you a death scank.

reply from: Banned Member

I have felt a young womans hands shake from the fear of going home to an abusive relationship. She feared to leave him because he was controlling, controlling to the point that he blamed her for the rape that had been committed against her years before, and convinced her that no one else could love her. When she was 15, two young men came to the house where she was babysitting and took turns raping her. After years of listening and support, she finally left him because he had hit her one time too many too hard. And after long years of making ridiculous sounding excuses and accepting them as fact because the argument would only drive her away, it was the first time that she ever admitted that abuse had ever occurred.
I have looked into a woman eyes who admitted having an abortion because she did not like the fathers attitude. She never told that she was pregnant and naturally never about the abortion. After she was married and became pregnant, she considered having another abortion. I believe that I convinced her not too, that two abortion would only multiply the doubts that she had about the first. That's a human life.
10 years ago I knew a young woman that got the hell beat out of her because she was sleeping wtih an abusive drug using boyfriend. He thought she was pregnant. She was not. He thought that if he beat her up badly enough that she would lose the baby. She only left him after that beating. At the time, she had a child whom she had not seen for years from yet another relationship.
I have another friend that twice tried to kill herself because of difficulties with her parents. They only learned of the second attempt when they could not wake her one morning.
I can remember the sound of my own mother fighting with a man with whom she had moved in with and moved across the state with. I can remember the sounds of objects hitting the walls and that he was using marijuana at least and maybe other drugs. I was 8 years old. I can remember standing with my mother in a super market parking lot in the freezing cold as she called her sister to come get us out of that mess and her telling not to mention the colorong book that she had bought me that day. We moved out soon after in the middle of the night and road 300 miles back to my aunts house.
Don't you even pretend to understand what I have seen and what I have lived through or what fear I have felt. Or to understand what others have shared with me.
Arrogant? No. I am angry. And I am compassionate. I am sympathetic. But not either to the point where I will ever believe that pulling a woman's uterus out and scraping an unborn child out of it's home in any way, shape or form constitutes compassion or understanding for a woman. Abortion is ignorant barbarism. Abortion is a blind act of hate substituted for an act of real interest in another human person. Abortion is evil. Abortion is a fearful and evil choice by woman for whom others were too afraid to reach out too. For those for whom abortion is only an act of conveniance, it is worse than murder. It is human butchery, moral cannibalism that rips the body apart, consuming another human person's life to satisfy their situation, their pride, their vanity, with self eviscerating violence.

reply from: faithman

....
Yeah!!!! What he said.

reply from: Banned Member

Abortion is ignorant barbarism. Abortion is a blind act of hate substituted for an act of real interest in another human person. Abortion is evil. Abortion is a fearful and evil choice by woman for whom others were too afraid to reach out to. For those for whom abortion is only an act of conveniance, it is worse than murder. It is human butchery, moral cannibalism that rips the body apart, consuming another human person's life to satisfy their situation, their pride, their vanity, with self eviscerating violence.
Yeah again... what I said!

reply from: yoda

Yes, but remember...... she has stated that "some people deserve to be attacked", and informed us that she has "self-control issues", so you see it's all politically correct when she slams someone with her abuse. Right?

reply from: yoda

It isn't you that needs to explain themselves, Augustine. It's the hate filled, emotionally disturbed Lib.

reply from: yoda

Absolutely right. A brave mother defends her child, to her death if necessary.

reply from: yoda

For whom? I challenge you to find one reason why a healthy woman would think it is best for her healthy baby to be killed before birth. Can you do that?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I change nothing at the whim of a death scank. Don't like the tone, don't listen.
How am I pro-death? Proof, please. Also, how am I a scank? Proof, please.
You have taken up the cause of planned parenthood which is the number one killer of womb children, and promoter of sex outside of marriage. Yepper, that pretty much makes you a death scank.
"The cause"? What cause? I said I enjoy all the services they provide EXCEPT abortion. I don't really talk about that anywhere but here, so I'm hardly "lobbying for the cause". They are far from the number one most popular abortion providers in the states. You have NO facts relating to that. Plus, MOST of their clinics do NOT provide abortions. You're completely off base on this one, but it must feel good to have a scapegoat to blame everything on.
As for sex outside of marriage, that's been going on ever since life learned how to sexually produce billions of years ago, so I find the entire concept of elitist monogamy to be ridiculous. Primates are as a whole extremely promoscuous, and there's nothing wrong with that. We're primates, by the way.
The problem isn't sex or abortion clinics. Anyone can pick up a weapon and kill you any time of the day. But we DON'T. Why? Because murder of born people is viewed as BAD by society.
So what the problem is here is three-fold. Firstly, Americans feel that a woman's fertility is her enemy. Secondly, they feel it is ok to kill unborn children. Thirdly, they shun and discriminate against pregnant unwed women and single mothers. All of these issues combined result in women resorting to killing babies. They feel like they are being attacked by the unborn and by society, and society says it's OK for them to kill... so they do.
THAT is the truth of abortion. And guess what? You're part of that problem.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Please. He has opinions as you do. That wasn't abuse, that was an opinion. He is both sane and compassionate. I question *you* however as your outbursts are quite distracting.
And his wasn't? "Coward" is an insult. Insulting someone is called verbal abuse.

reply from: faithman

Please. He has opinions as you do. That wasn't abuse, that was an opinion. He is both sane and compassionate. I question *you* however as your outbursts are quite distracting.
And his wasn't? "Coward" is an insult. Insulting someone is called verbal abuse.
Coward is an accurate discription of your kind on the left. If that is abuse, then you need to be.

reply from: 4given

Maybe I will be more delicate with my posting then- God forbid she takes her lack thereof out on an innocent poster- much less child in her care.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

If you attack first, most sane human beings will defend themselves. I did not come to this forum with weapons bared... but I was attacked anyway. You can't really feel sorry for yourselves.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Please. He has opinions as you do. That wasn't abuse, that was an opinion. He is both sane and compassionate. I question *you* however as your outbursts are quite distracting.
And his wasn't? "Coward" is an insult. Insulting someone is called verbal abuse.
Coward is an accurate discription of your kind on the left. If that is abuse, then you need to be.
"MY kind on the left"? What does that mean? Liberals? Not all liberals are pro-choice, just like not all conservatives are pro-life. In fact I know of at least two who are VERY pro-choice, almost pro-abortion.
Coward is still an insult no matter how "accurate" your diseased brain thinks it is.

reply from: BossMomma

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Is Augustine a raging douche nozzle, or am I just ultra-sensitive this morning?
Nah, he's not a douche nozzle, that would imply that he'd been inside a vagina at one time.

reply from: BossMomma

Absolutely right. A brave mother defends her child, to her death if necessary.
And if she has pre-existing children? Does she abandon them as well? Not brave in my opinion, rather short sighted.

reply from: carolemarie

Asking a woman to die for the fetus is not valuing women. It makes the fetus more important than the woman. Both are equally important.

reply from: Banned Member

All liberals are pro-choice. Abortion is the air that they breath and the blood that is in their veins. Infanticide is the option of the desparate of heart and the sick of mind. Beware the helping hand that murders in the name of compassion. It is the hand of the abortion provider.

reply from: 4given

Nah.. Just those that post here.

reply from: Banned Member

Show me a pro-life democrat that would ever be accepted by the democratic party. Show me a pro-life democrat that could call themselves liberal who could ever recieve a party nomination for any office anywhere.

reply from: faithman

Not in your world liar. Killer mom trumps baby evertime with killers like you. You have proven to be a baby hater over and over again. Then you project your hate crimes on the very ones that actually stand in defence of children against killers like you. You are the real hater and prove it over and over again with every post. You try to hide it behind a pretence of "niceness". But you are not nice at all. You are just the run of the mill baby hater who has killed 3.

reply from: 4given

Okay.. searching.. still looking.. there has got to be one somewhere.. I suppose you could ask the self-proclaimed "liberal" posters that voted for the Dem. party.. They must know of at least one. I can tell you the pro-life Dems in the House for my state.. that probably doesn't count though.. right?

reply from: Banned Member

The only thing that I can say it that people who are pro-choice are not looking for people of conscience for their elected leaders..

reply from: faithman

Nah, he's not a douche nozzle, that would imply that he'd been inside a vagina at one time.
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I just laughted loud enough to startle the dogs.
Any dog would be startled to hear the maniacal screech of a baby killer. No big suprise there.

reply from: Banned Member

Pro-life democrats. Poor exiles.

reply from: faithman

I tried it for a while. Was actually a member of Dems for life. I don't feel sorry for them at all. They are an inept group that cares more about looking good than actually doing something of substance to stop the killing. But they are no bigger farce than the false PLers on this forum.

reply from: Teresa18

I generally agree with you about liberals because the vast majority are pro-abortion, but a Catholic Democrat who claims to be pro-life replaced a Catholic Republican who had the seat for years in Congress. I say claim because, while he might personally vote pro-life, he still supported pro-abortion politicians like Obama.

reply from: Teresa18

I thought you became Christian, BossMomma. Why are you mocking a man who is following the Bible and saving himself for his future wife?

reply from: BossMomma

Nah, he's not a douche nozzle, that would imply that he'd been inside a vagina at one time.
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I just laughted loud enough to startle the dogs.
Yeah, my mom was standing behind me when I wrote that and spat coffee all over the back of my head.

reply from: BossMomma

I thought you became Christian, BossMomma. Why are you mocking a man who is following the Bible and saving himself for his future wife?
Possibly because he's mocked women like me who are single with children. I became Christian but my sense of humor hasn't diminished.

reply from: yoda

And if she has pre-existing children? Does she abandon them as well? Not brave in my opinion, rather short sighted.
No, she defends ALL her children. Is that too complicated a concept for you?
Suppose she were called upon to defend a born child in such a way as to risk death? Would that be "short sighted" IYO, if she did risk her life to save a born child? Or should she simply abandon any of her children if their defense would pose a risk to her?
You can't have it both ways, you know?

reply from: yoda

No one suggested that.
I suggested that a "real" mother would risk death voluntarily to save her child. And I believe that.

reply from: yoda

There a few exceptions, but they only prove the rule.

reply from: carolemarie

No one suggested that.
I suggested that a "real" mother would risk death voluntarily to save her child. And I believe that.
So if they don't do what you want and die, they are not "real" mothers? What a load of bs

reply from: yoda

What I "want"? What about the "wants" of the baby? Do they not count?
What about the "wants" of the mother, who wishes to risk her life for her unborn, do her wants not count?
But yes, I think that a "real mother" would be willing to sacrifice herself to save a child, and the same thing applies to a "real" father as well.
But maybe that's just me, who knows?

reply from: yoda

Ah, there's that "self-control issue" again. OR did he just "deserve to be attacked"?

reply from: faithman

No one suggested that.
I suggested that a "real" mother would risk death voluntarily to save her child. And I believe that.
So if they don't do what you want and die, they are not "real" mothers? What a load of bs
Were you a "real mother" to the 3 you killed? Before you start inspecting the load for BS, I think you need to check your own trailor. There is enough there to fertilize 75% of the worlds farm land.

reply from: carolemarie

What I "want"? What about the "wants" of the baby? Do they not count?
What about the "wants" of the mother, who wishes to risk her life for her unborn, do her wants not count?
But yes, I think that a "real mother" would be willing to sacrifice herself to save a child, and the same thing applies to a "real" father as well.
But maybe that's just me, who knows?
If a woman is in that situtation, she gets to decide what to do. It doesn't make her less of a mother to choose to live. Both the baby and the woman's lives matter.
Luck for you men don't face that problem.

reply from: yoda

She ALWAYS gets to choose, doesn't she? That's kind of beside the point I was trying to make.... which is that I totally respect mothers who CHOOSE to risk their lives for their kids..... and I think they ARE the "real" mothers.
I think it makes her "less of a mother" to abandon her child to save her own life/health, yes. And I'm entitled to hold and express that opinion.
And as for fathers.... we do sometimes face that "problem", actually, where born kids are concerned. Did you forget that I equate born and unborn children morally?

reply from: faithman

She ALWAYS gets to choose, doesn't she? That's kind of beside the point I was trying to make.... which is that I totally respect mothers who CHOOSE to risk their lives for their kids..... and I think they ARE the "real" mothers.
I think it makes her "less of a mother" to abandon her child to save her own life/health, yes. And I'm entitled to hold and express that opinion.
And as for fathers.... we do sometimes face that "problem", actually, where born kids are concerned. Did you forget that I equate born and unborn children morally?
That is the prob here. CM has point blank statede that the womb child is not on the same "level" as the born child. That is the same excuse for slavery, genocide, and abortion on demand. Now this killer of three trys to undermine pro-life with pro-death rhetoric? Who many times has it used the term fetus in the past few days to dehumanize the womb child to promote "womens interest" and hate on, and demonize those who true stand for preborn humanity? If folks can't see thru this she wolf, they are hoplessly blind.

reply from: yoda

And that's something I reject outright, on moral grounds. If we cannot put the unborn on the same moral level as born humans, then we are agreeing with the proaborts and justifying abortion.

reply from: carolemarie

I don't think I said that.
Or at least not in the context that you are quoting it.
I think that an unborn child is a human baby.
I just don't believe it has more value than a born child. Or more value than its mom.
And it isn't the same thing as killing a born child, I seriously don't think 98 percent of women would kill the baby after it was born if that is how abortions were performed. It is precisely that it is different and less developed and unseen that people have abortions.
That is what makes abortion different then slavery or the holocaust

reply from: faithman

And that's something I reject outright, on moral grounds. If we cannot put the unborn on the same moral level as born humans, then we are agreeing with the proaborts and justifying abortion.
Just like CM got thru doing in the above post. If folks can't see what a pony she is now they never will.

reply from: yoda

Then what you are claiming is that women act differently towards unborn and born babies, not that killing them is not the same thing. You already admit that it is a human baby, therefore you admit that it is a human being. So isn't killing ANY innocent human being EQUALLY WRONG? Can you honestly say that you think that killing an unborn human being is "less wrong", morally?
Of course it's different, every genocide is a little bit different, aren't they? The genocide in Rawanda was about two different tribes, right? So that's not the same as the Holocaust, is it?
Why focus on the minor differences instead of the commonality between the two things? Aren't the common aspects more important than the differences?
If you focus only on the differences, then you can never compare ANY TWO THINGS.... because NO TWO THINGS ARE EXACTLY ALIKE!

reply from: carolemarie

Women act differently toward the fetus and baby because they perceive the two things as different. Yes, that is what I am saying.
That perception has to change to get her to change.

reply from: yoda

But perception is NOT necessarily reality. So in reality, killing the born is the same morally as killing the unborn, is it not?
Either that, or convince her that it's in her selfish interest to let the kid live.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Excellent post!! That's what had to happen for me too. It also helps, for the extreme pro-women people like myself, to first open a tiny crack by proving that abortion is not the gentle procedure it is made out to be.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Ah, there's that "self-control issue" again. OR did he just "deserve to be attacked"?
Wow! You CAN learn!

reply from: yoda

Ah, there's that "self-control issue" again. OR did he just "deserve to be attacked"?
Wow! You CAN learn!
Wow! You can DODGE!!

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Ah, there's that "self-control issue" again. OR did he just "deserve to be attacked"?
Wow! You CAN learn!
Wow! You can DODGE!!
Wow! You can't understand english! My answer implied that you were right on the second comment, aka, YES, he deserved to be attacked. I forget who it even was, and I just put a bunch of people on ignore... ok, 2 people, but still...
The people on ignore are Faithman and 4given; if you have something serious you actually want to tell me that doesn't involve verbal abuse, let me know through a PM, if that still works with people on iggy.

reply from: yoda

Let's stipulate for a minute that someone on this forum does deserve to be attacked...... do the babies deserve to lose forum space and time for that attack to take place? Does the attacking of another poster's personality help the babies?

reply from: carolemarie

I don't know. Ask Faithman.

reply from: yoda

Why? Do you consider him to be an expert?

reply from: faithman

You could have stopped with the first 3 words of the post. That is your biggest prob.

reply from: yoda

Hey, Libby has both of us on iggy. Should we hang our heads in shame, or celebrate?

reply from: faithman

Or would it be a shame to mis out on the celebration? She hate women too as she but 4given on iggy too.

reply from: BossMomma

And if she has pre-existing children? Does she abandon them as well? Not brave in my opinion, rather short sighted.
No, she defends ALL her children. Is that too complicated a concept for you?
Suppose she were called upon to defend a born child in such a way as to risk death? Would that be "short sighted" IYO, if she did risk her life to save a born child? Or should she simply abandon any of her children if their defense would pose a risk to her?
You can't have it both ways, you know?
If she chose to die for that fetus that's her choice, but a woman should not be called cowardly for choosing to live for her pre-existing born children or just choosing to live. Only a man would say something that callous because his stupid ass would never be in that situation. The day a man has to choose between his life and the life of a fetus is the day he can have an educated opinion on the subject.

reply from: yoda

Or would it be a shame to mis out on the celebration? She hate women too as she but 4given on iggy too.
I say it's PARTY TIME!!

reply from: yoda

And if she has pre-existing children? Does she abandon them as well? Not brave in my opinion, rather short sighted.
No, she defends ALL her children. Is that too complicated a concept for you?
Suppose she were called upon to defend a born child in such a way as to risk death? Would that be "short sighted" IYO, if she did risk her life to save a born child? Or should she simply abandon any of her children if their defense would pose a risk to her?
You can't have it both ways, you know?
If she chose to die for that fetus that's her choice, but a woman should not be called cowardly for choosing to live for her pre-existing born children or just choosing to live. Only a man would say something that callous because his stupid ass would never be in that situation. The day a man has to choose between his life and the life of a fetus is the day he can have an educated opinion on the subject.
First, you didn't come anywhere close to answering my question, did you?
Oh wait, I forgot... you have special permission to ignore all questions, don't you?
Second, men have been called upon to defend their kids many, many times, it just happens that they are usually born. But it has happened that men have been called upon to defend their pregnant wives, at great risk to their own lives. Some have answered the call, and some have not. I call the ones who did not "cowards". What do YOU say?
Oh wait, I forgot... you have special permission to ignore all questions, don't you?

reply from: faithman

Or would it be a shame to mis out on the celebration? She hate women too as she but 4given on iggy too.
I say it's PARTY TIME!!
Cha Cha, or pro-life 2 step this time?


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