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Just stay out of this thread, Augustine.

by: LolitaOlivia

Since some of you nice people (like CaroleMarie and RiverMoonLady and several other) wanted updates.
After 38 hours of labour I had Dorothea Rose at 2:34 pm on November 29th. Hurt like hell but after the first few hours I was pretty out of it. She's healthy, I'm healthy, all that good stuff. I got home last night, tired but able to sleep as Dorothea wasn't crying much. If I ever have another girl I'll probably call her Theodora since that's like Dorothea in reverse.
She's absolutely adorable and was seven pounds nine ounces at birth. She's got lovely blueish greenish eyes and I think I see a bit of blonde hair on her head but I don't know if that means she'll be blonde later on or not. Either way she's gorgeous and I'm not just saying that.
My mom is already trying to come with some kind of nickname for her (Dory and Dott are the top contenders) but I named her Dorothea so I plan on calling her that, even if it is a little long. I think it's classy. The nurse told me she loved it and that another woman who'd given birth a week ago had named her baby DaFlavuh. I'd thought she was just spreading one of those racist urban legends, but apparently the woman and baby are both white though the father is one of those Kevin Federline types.
Anyways, just wanted to let you know. Hadn't been on here in a while as I've had lots of things to do preparing for (and then giving birth to) my little girl.
Happy Holidays (Merry Christmas if you watch Fox News) to everyone from Dorothea and me. Depending on how long Dorothea can go without crying I hope to be back tearing faithman (or Augustine if faithman is still M.I.A.) a new one within the next few days.
-LolitaOlivia

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I'm glad to hear that you and the baby are doing well! I don't watch Fox news, they're a bunch of idiots, but I still say "Merry Christmas"!

reply from: LolitaOlivia

^Thanks!
My rule is if I know they celebrate Christmas I always say Merry Christmas. If I don't know them and have no idea if they're Christian or what I say Happy Holidays.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

That's probably a safe bet. I usually just say Merry Christmas out of habit, but it depends on the people I'm around.

reply from: BossMomma

Congrats on your little girl, I'm glad everything "came out" alright lol. I'm looking forward to having mine at the end of the month.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Congratulations!!! I love the name Dorothea Rose and please don't let anyone call her Dot or Dory or some other nickname.
I'm glad to hear you are both doing very well. Be happy and enjoy her!!
And Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas to your whole family. Happy New Year, too!

reply from: LolitaOlivia

Just shut up. I love my baby. I've never met anyone in the pro-choice community who supported that.
Thanks for the well wishes, BossMomma and RiverMoonLady. I hope your delivery goes as planned and your baby is healthy, BossMomma.

reply from: CharlesD

Congrats.
I use the name of whatever holiday is actually being celebrated at a particular time of the year. If it's December, I say Christmas. If it's early July, it's Independence Day or the 4th. Makes sense to me to specify which holiday I'm talking about, since there are indeed holidays throughout the entire year.

reply from: faithman

Just shut up. I love my baby. I've never met anyone in the pro-choice community who supported that.
Thanks for the well wishes, BossMomma and RiverMoonLady. I hope your delivery goes as planned and your baby is healthy, BossMomma.
WELLL!!! You believe in sucking the brains out of late term pre-borns. Whats the gig whoop? A baby killer is a baby killer, and the few they may mercifully slip thru the birth cannal does not change that.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Three letters: J R H
...and he just happens to post here. Coincidence? I'm sure there are a million like him.
I'm really happy your baby is ok but I just can't believe you could be so happy with your baby and advocate the murder of them as well. Sick

reply from: ChristianLott2

Just thinking about a new born reminds me of my own that were slaughtered by a pro choicer. I'm really happy for your baby but I can't manage to be happy for you.

reply from: Banned Member

You are aware that there are different Holidays in December & that people who wish Happy Holidays to people who they do not know that well are trying to be respectful of the beliefs & practices of others? Or do you believe being respectful to those who do not believe as you do is wrong?

reply from: Banned Member

Congrats Lolita!! My daughter just turned 5 months, we'll have to get together & compare pics sometime.

reply from: AshMarie88

I have to agree with this post. I know pro-choice parents but it's almost hard to feel happy for them since they advocate abortion. Sigh.

reply from: xnavy

congratulations, my daughter is 14 years old, so enjoy her while she is little because little girls grow upso fast.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Somebody killed your newborns????

reply from: LiberalChiRo

You are aware that there are different Holidays in December & that people who wish Happy Holidays to people who they do not know that well are trying to be respectful of the beliefs & practices of others? Or do you believe being respectful to those who do not believe as you do is wrong?
It's called habit, and the fact that (my guess is) 95% of Americans celebrate Christmas, whether religiously or not.

reply from: Rosalie

CONGRATULATIONS! I'm so glad you and your baby are all right!
Her name sounds adorable -- maybe if you actually insist on everyone calling her by her full name, people will get used to it.
I'm really so happy for you, I bet she's adorable. Good luck with everything and I hope you stop by here when you have some time.
Happy Holidays to you and your family!
.Rosalie

reply from: Rosalie

You are a vile, disgusting monster.
You people are not right in the head. This attitude shows more than anything how much you care about women and born babies. There's something so horribly wrong with you, it's scary.

reply from: Banned Member

I know that, I myself say Merry Christmas most of the time. As it should have been plain to see, I was responding to the snide post made by CharlesD, not about what you said. I know you are always quick to try to put me in my place, for reasons I don't pretend to know, but try to read my posts closer next time.

reply from: carolemarie

Congratulations! I am so happy for you! I love her name and I agree NO NICKNAMES. She sounds pretty and if you can pm a picture I would love to see her.
Ignore the haters and welcome back to the boards....

reply from: Timeofgrace

Luke 9:48
48Then he said to them, "Whoever welcomes this little child in my name welcomes me; and whoever welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. For he who is least among you all - he is the greatest."

reply from: Rosalie

How about a simple congratulations instead of your religious propaganda?

reply from: faithman

Ignore the haters? snicker snicker. That is reach comming from a street walking killer of three.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I know that, I myself say Merry Christmas most of the time. As it should have been plain to see, I was responding to the snide post made by CharlesD, not about what you said. I know you are always quick to try to put me in my place, for reasons I don't pretend to know, but try to read my posts closer next time.
Charles' post was not snide in any way, shape or form. YOURS, however, was.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

How about a simple congratulations instead of your religious propaganda?
It's a sweet sentiment and a billion times better than the trash spouted by faithman.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Somebody killed your newborns????
rofl! you sure have a way of putting things in context rml. I'm glad you're here to make fun of my children while all your children are doing fine. It's so compassionate and not at all insulting for you to say that.
btw, I would never attempt to make fun of your children, your misfortunes or insult anyone who was close to you who had been murdered. I actually feel sorry for you right now. There are so many people in this world who are just as shallow, rude and careless as you. Don't take that as an insult though. It's an honest assessment I'm sure many would agree with.

reply from: Timeofgrace

Thanks Rosalie for concidering me so super smart .
But i cant take the credit for those words . They are of course
Gods not mine.
hey. im just a blithering idiot just like you my dear.
and left to my own devices would have said somthing as worthless and empty as you did sweet Gal.

reply from: faithman

How about a simple congratulations instead of your religious propaganda?
It's a sweet sentiment and a billion times better than the trash spouted by faithman.
The "trash" is merely the sentament coming from the baby killers. Glad you see that your side is nothing but trash. We have told you that all along.

reply from: BossMomma

Just shut up. I love my baby. I've never met anyone in the pro-choice community who supported that.
Thanks for the well wishes, BossMomma and RiverMoonLady. I hope your delivery goes as planned and your baby is healthy, BossMomma.
Thanks, and don't mind lackofFaithboy, he does nothing at all for the pro-life movement.

reply from: BossMomma

You are a vile, disgusting monster.
You people are not right in the head. This attitude shows more than anything how much you care about women and born babies. There's something so horribly wrong with you, it's scary.
No kidding, damned if you do damned if you don't. I wonder if babies really mean anything to them, it sounds like they use the subject of abortion as nothing more than an excuse to hate on someone.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

How about a simple congratulations instead of your religious propaganda?
It's a sweet sentiment and a billion times better than the trash spouted by faithman.
The "trash" is merely the sentament coming from the baby killers. Glad you see that your side is nothing but trash. We have told you that all along.
You just made so little sense I can't even decipher what you meant. I'm pro-life you dog.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Her baby is innocent, she is guilty of murder. You are what you promote, even if you don't do it to your own (this time).

reply from: BossMomma

Her baby is innocent, she is guilty of murder. You are what you promote, even if you don't do it to your own (this time).
You promote hatred and bigotry, what's that make you?

reply from: ChristianLott2

If you don't hate evil you can't love good.

reply from: BossMomma

If you don't hate evil you can't love good.
How is giving birth and loving a baby evil? Face it, you're so full of hate you don't even have it in you to show one ounce of happyness for a new mother. A baby was born alive and healthy and it means nothing to you, you care nothing for babies.

reply from: ChristianLott2

I already told her I was happy for the baby. I can't be happy for a person who supports their murder though. If you can't recognize the difference between loving a baby and hating the murderer of them, imo you're not pro life you're a sycophant.

reply from: Rosalie

Not really, simple congratulations, I hope you both are healthy and happy would be much better and much more appropriate.
Then again, good manners is something that seems to be exclusive only to us "pro-aborts".

reply from: Rosalie

You obviously cannot read. I didn't say I consider you smart - I don't think I would ever say that, especially considering the atrocity you are trying to pass off as English grammar. Blithering idiot fits you JUST right. Quote some more appropriate, better fantasy book next time. Or just simply say congratulations, as you should in a situation like this.

reply from: BossMomma

I already told her I was happy for the baby. I can't be happy for a person who supports their murder though. If you can't recognize the difference between loving a baby and hating the murderer of them, imo you're not pro life you're a sycophant.
No, I'm a woman who is happy for another woman and her newly born child. I'm happy that she chose to give birth and love her child and that there is one less gift from God returned to sender. All you spout is hate and degradation and thanks to a history lesson on you from one of my friends I understand why that is. Seek some counciling and some prayer please.

reply from: ProInformed

Congratulations!
ENJOY!!!
Sweet name for a sweet baby and I like the idea of using a similar name (in reverse) if she has a baby sister someday!
A little off topic but it reminds me of... have you seen that edition of the Princess Bride DVD where "Princess Bride" is written really fancy and if you turn the DVD case upside down it still reads "Princess Bride"?
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I have been trying to figure out how to write my signature that way LOL... it would be cool to design a way to draw your baby girl's signature that way and then teach it to her when she's learning to write her name in italic (replacing cursive).
Oh and I also said I would never shorten my baby girls' names... but everybody else was and I eventually did too... for a while, but now I am back to calling them by the full, prettiful versions of their names.
I wanted to name my two oldest daughters: Genevieve and Guinivere LOL
My husband objected (of course LOL). So I came up with a plot to suggest the names Jennifer Vivian (husband had suggested the name Jennifer and a childhood friend of mine is named Vivian), and Gwedolyn Vera... and then I would just call them: JenniViv and GwenVera... LOL. Husband was not impressed LOL and my daughters have already told me they will refuse those name suggestions for future granddaughters LOL. (I do plan to adopt though, so maybe...)
OK, one more tangent (then I'll stop I promise LOL):
Why IS IT that Peggy is a nickname for Margaret?!?
There MUST be some connection but it's not obvious to me LOL.
I always ask the Peggy/Margarets I meet and so far none of them knew either!
(hmmm maybe I should google it? LOL)
Don't feel guilty if you feel you need to take naps too when your little one is napping. Rest AND enjoy your needed rest guilt-free.
If somebody offers to help, say YES and then tell them what YOU want them to do. Don't let THEM tell you they are going to take care of the baby while you cook or clean, or vice versa - tell them what you want them to do so you can do what you really want or need to do. Don't feel guilty if you need them to watch the baby while you take a nap or get out of the house for a while. And if you just want to snuggle up with your baby girl but they're 'offering' to hold the baby while you do chores... then you just go ahead and snuggle and tell them to go do those darned dishes LOL. And if nobody (or not enough people) offer to help then ASK for whatever help you want. You and your baby deserve the support you need.
(And you might want to avoid interraction with that pro-abort poster who defends infanticide).
And most importantly - ENJOY!!!!!
{{{{{Lolita & Dorothea}}}}}

reply from: ChristianLott2

No, I'm a woman who is happy for another woman and her newly born child. I'm happy that she chose to give birth and love her child and that there is one less gift from God returned to sender.
I think this whole thread is insulting to pro lifers, especially those who've lost their children to the choice of murder this person defends. To come here and post about her born child as she protects the 'right' for others to be murdered is a disgrace.
As I said three times before - I'm happy her baby is alive, but her attitude towards pre born babies in general is murderous and should be condemned by all pro lifers just the same.
I will admit I hate pro choicers as i hate all murderers. It's right and good to do so, but I fail to see where I've degraded anyone. Please point to the words so I may apologize. This is the third time you've accused me of insulting and degrading someone so let's see the quote already.
As for this friend and history lesson, if you want to know the real information you can ask the source, I'm right here. Failing to ask me shows your cowardice. I think you need to reexamine who you think needs counsel miss 'suddenly converted and found my way to jezus'. Right.

reply from: ProInformed

Somebody killed your newborns????
rofl! you sure have a way of putting things in context rml. I'm glad you're here to make fun of my children while all your children are doing fine. It's so compassionate and not at all insulting for you to say that.
btw, I would never attempt to make fun of your children, your misfortunes or insult anyone who was close to you who had been murdered. I actually feel sorry for you right now. There are so many people in this world who are just as shallow, rude and careless as you. Don't take that as an insult though. It's an honest assessment I'm sure many would agree with.
I understand your emotional pain and how shockingly rude and coldhearted it is for others to make fun of your loss. I want to assure you that the lives and deaths of YOUR precious babies has not gone unnoticed or unmourned by others (and neither has the callousness of those who think your babies' deaths is something to joke about.)
{{{{{ChristainLott2 & her sweet innocent babies}}}}}

reply from: BossMomma

No, I'm a woman who is happy for another woman and her newly born child. I'm happy that she chose to give birth and love her child and that there is one less gift from God returned to sender.
I think this whole thread is insulting to pro lifers, especially those who've lost their children to the choice of murder this person defends. To come here and post about her born child as she protects the 'right' for others to be murdered is a disgrace.
As I said three times before - I'm happy her baby is alive, but her attitude towards pre born babies in general is murderous and should be condemned by all pro lifers just the same.
I will admit I hate pro choicers as i hate all murderers. It's right and good to do so, but I fail to see where I've degraded anyone. Please point to the words so I may apologize. This is the third time you've accused me of insulting and degrading someone so let's see the quote already.
As for this friend and history lesson, if you want to know the real information you can ask the source, I'm right here. Failing to ask me shows your cowardice. I think you need to reexamine who you think needs counsel miss 'suddenly converted and found my way to jezus'. Right.
I'm no coward, you are for abusing others as a way to cope with your loss. Hatred is never right and it solves nothing, it definately doesn't help the unborn. I sought help for my pain, I recently lost a son, his father demanded that I abort him and when I refused he ran out on me and the kids leaving me to suffer my grief alone.
Do not make the mistake of thinking you are the only one in pain here and you are all the more mistaken to think it gives you a right to abuse others Mr. Never Knew Jesus to begin with.

reply from: lukesmom

Congrats Lolita on the birth of your daughter. May you both grown and learn and be changed in each other's love.

reply from: ChristianLott2

I know this and I am sorry for your loss. I really am and if you remember I did post on the thread where you talked about that.
However your loss is NOT the same as mine.
Did your bf give you an 'abortion or marriage' ultimatum then when you conceded to marry told you it was 'too late'? Then told you it was a miscarriage only to sleep with you again, then confessed it was abortion and there was 'more than one' baby aborted, then turn around and have a child by the bastard that drove her to the abortion clinic to murder your own?
Not everyone's been screwed over as thoroughly as my ignorant self but it's really unfair to claim you know what willful slaughter is when that hasn't been your situation.
This wasn't some chance occurrence. She said she wanted children and so did I. I even asked permission. The only thing I didn't ask is if she was pro 'choice'. Seven years ago I was a little more naive and trusting.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Not that she would have told the truth about that anyway ...

reply from: lukesmom

I know this and I am sorry for your loss. I really am and if you remember I did post on the thread where you talked about that.
However your loss is NOT the same as mine.
Did your bf give you an 'abortion or marriage' ultimatum then when you conceded to marry told you it was 'too late'? Then told you it was a miscarriage only to sleep with you again, then confessed it was abortion and there was 'more than one' baby aborted, then turn around and have a child by the bastard that drove her to the abortion clinic to murder your own?
Not everyone's been screwed over as thoroughly as my ignorant self but it's really unfair to claim you know what willful slaughter is when that hasn't been your situation.
This wasn't some chance occurrence. She said she wanted children and so did I. I even asked permission. The only thing I didn't ask is if she was pro 'choice'. Seven years ago I was a little more naive and trusting.
Christian, no loss is the same, they all differ but they are all identical in the fact that they cause horrible pain and grief no matter what the circumstances.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

CL2, did you even know for sure that girl was pregnant? I think you're beating yourself (and everyone else) up for nothing as it sounds like a classic "trap a guy into marriage" plan. You know, say you're pregnant to get him to agree to a wedding and then have a "miscarriage" a few weeks later. My cousin's first wife pulled that trick and he later found out from her sister she'd never been pregnant in the first place.

reply from: BossMomma

I know this and I am sorry for your loss. I really am and if you remember I did post on the thread where you talked about that.
However your loss is NOT the same as mine.
Did your bf give you an 'abortion or marriage' ultimatum then when you conceded to marry told you it was 'too late'? Then told you it was a miscarriage only to sleep with you again, then confessed it was abortion and there was 'more than one' baby aborted, then turn around and have a child by the bastard that drove her to the abortion clinic to murder your own?
Not everyone's been screwed over as thoroughly as my ignorant self but it's really unfair to claim you know what willful slaughter is when that hasn't been your situation.
This wasn't some chance occurrence. She said she wanted children and so did I. I even asked permission. The only thing I didn't ask is if she was pro 'choice'. Seven years ago I was a little more naive and trusting.
Actually our situations are quite similar, my boyfriend and I had been together for two years and were toying with the idea of marriage but he couldn't deal with the idea of a child with challenges. It would be real easy for me to just hate men, God knows everyone who's ever screwed me over in life was a man but that would be wrong of me no? To throw all men in the same boat and sink it?
I lost a child just the same, no I didn't abort him he just wasn't meant to be but don't think that your pain is somehow more than any other person whose lost a child. I am sorry that your previous significant other killed your children in utero, my ex-husband had that experience and has distrusted women ever since. We are advocating for the babies yes, but hating the woman will not save a single child. Pro-choicers can change, I did, Liberal did, RML did.

reply from: faithman

When you get tired of playing with her, or she cries to much, Maybe you can find a "doctor" to suck her brains out. Some believe you should be able to kill them up to 3 years after birth. How about it baby killer?

reply from: carolemarie

That is a terrible way to talk to another human being! The more you post, the less I believe you are even a Christian....

reply from: faithman

At least mine is only talk. How many did you kill? Oh yeah, that would be 3. Before you run your baby killing mouth, maybe you should take a peek in a mirror. From your first post I new you were a self deluded false pro-lifer. And by the by, my faith is not based on the opinion of a street walking baby killer. SSSSSOOOOO believe what ever you like.

reply from: BossMomma

At least mine is only talk. How many did you kill? Oh yeah, that would be 3. Before you run your baby killing mouth, maybe you should take a peek in a mirror. From your first post I new you were a self deluded false pro-lifer. And by the by, my faith is not based on the opinion of a street walking baby killer. SSSSSOOOOO believe what ever you like.
Faithboy does your parents know you are posting on an adult forum and talking back to your elders?

reply from: faithman

At least mine is only talk. How many did you kill? Oh yeah, that would be 3. Before you run your baby killing mouth, maybe you should take a peek in a mirror. From your first post I new you were a self deluded false pro-lifer. And by the by, my faith is not based on the opinion of a street walking baby killer. SSSSSOOOOO believe what ever you like.
Faithboy does your parents know you are posting on an adult forum and talking back to your elders?
Where does it say this is an "adult forum"? Many minors post here without a permission slip. But I have been over 21 for over 30 years, and need very little permission to do as I please. I think you are the one running your mouth at your elders.

reply from: BossMomma

At least mine is only talk. How many did you kill? Oh yeah, that would be 3. Before you run your baby killing mouth, maybe you should take a peek in a mirror. From your first post I new you were a self deluded false pro-lifer. And by the by, my faith is not based on the opinion of a street walking baby killer. SSSSSOOOOO believe what ever you like.
Faithboy does your parents know you are posting on an adult forum and talking back to your elders?
Where does it say this is an "adult forum"? Many minors post here without a permission slip. But I have been over 21 for over 30 years, and need very little permission to do as I please. I think you are the one running your mouth at your elders.
It'd be nice if you'd act your age instead of like a deranged and poorly disciplined teenager.

reply from: lukesmom

I think you are giving him way too much credit.

reply from: Hosea

congratulations on the birth of your precious child.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

At least mine is only talk. How many did you kill? Oh yeah, that would be 3. Before you run your baby killing mouth, maybe you should take a peek in a mirror. From your first post I new you were a self deluded false pro-lifer. And by the by, my faith is not based on the opinion of a street walking baby killer. SSSSSOOOOO believe what ever you like.
Faithboy does your parents know you are posting on an adult forum and talking back to your elders?
Where does it say this is an "adult forum"? Many minors post here without a permission slip. But I have been over 21 for over 30 years, and need very little permission to do as I please. I think you are the one running your mouth at your elders.
The young people on this forum have far more respect than you do.

reply from: faithman

At least mine is only talk. How many did you kill? Oh yeah, that would be 3. Before you run your baby killing mouth, maybe you should take a peek in a mirror. From your first post I new you were a self deluded false pro-lifer. And by the by, my faith is not based on the opinion of a street walking baby killer. SSSSSOOOOO believe what ever you like.
Faithboy does your parents know you are posting on an adult forum and talking back to your elders?
Where does it say this is an "adult forum"? Many minors post here without a permission slip. But I have been over 21 for over 30 years, and need very little permission to do as I please. I think you are the one running your mouth at your elders.
It'd be nice if you'd act your age instead of like a deranged and poorly disciplined teenager.
....and it would be nice for you to take your own advice.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Actually our situations are quite similar, my boyfriend and I had been together for two years and were toying with the idea of marriage but he couldn't deal with the idea of a child with challenges. It would be real easy for me to just hate men, God knows everyone who's ever screwed me over in life was a man but that would be wrong of me no? To throw all men in the same boat and sink it?
A man can't legally murder your child. See? No similarity there at all.
I don't hate women. I just think some people on this forum don't take this issue seriously enough.
It's disturbing that you've compared your child who died of what most consider 'natural causes' to mine who were slaughtered in what some would consider an act of terrorism. I'm not comparing who has more pain or not but it's still obvious to me you do not understand how unfair and evil abortion is when you compare it to your unfortunate and very sorrowful loss. Sorry.

reply from: ChristianLott2

LO, she was three and a half months pregnant.Her stomach was nice and round.. a few weeks latter she showed me how nice and flat it was. Disgusting. Awful.

reply from: jujujellybean

Just shut up. I love my baby. I've never met anyone in the pro-choice community who supported that.
Thanks for the well wishes, BossMomma and RiverMoonLady. I hope your delivery goes as planned and your baby is healthy, BossMomma.
there was a dude here a while back that believed in infanticide because the baby isn't sentient for a few years. *shudder*
anyways, good luck with your baby! they are so adorable and fun!

reply from: BossMomma

LO, she was three and a half months pregnant.Her stomach was nice and round.. a few weeks latter she showed me how nice and flat it was. Disgusting. Awful.
Her belly was nice and round at 3 1/2 months? I'm sorry but that is an utter load of BS. Women don't even get a little bump until about 5 months so try selling your story to a younger less educated crowd.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

LO, she was three and a half months pregnant.Her stomach was nice and round.. a few weeks latter she showed me how nice and flat it was. Disgusting. Awful.
Her belly was nice and round at 3 1/2 months? I'm sorry but that is an utter load of BS. Women don't even get a little bump until about 5 months so try selling your story to a younger less educated crowd.
Totally true. At three and a half months I could still wear a bikini without anyone noticing anything.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Sorry but her stomach was protruding and it was round. She didn't look nine months pregnant but she was definitely pregnant. I'm sorry you two don't want to believe my story but I'm not going to debate something that happened and you just refuse to believe. Maybe she was four months pregnant. I remember her saying 3.5 but she could have been lying about that as well. If it helps, my mom told me the same thing, that she was lying. My dad told me it probably wasn't mine. Thanks for all the help guys. Can you imagine if I came on here telling boss she had never had twins and she didn't have a miscarriage? I mean, what's your point? I could tell she was pregnant, her stomach wasn't huge but it was indeed rounded in a way that could never be considered fat. She told me the abortionist said there was more than one so I don't know actually how many. She told me that when she said what he was doing was hurting her he told her 'it's what YOU wanted'. I don't think she made that up. Her mother didn't know she was pregnant but her mother wasn't feeling her up. If you still think I'm making all this up (or that she did) I wonder what you think my motivation would be. I'm just a pro life fanatic I guess. Ignore me then. She cried often, said she regretted it and would never do it again, asked me to forgive her. Years later she told me the guy she got pregnant with after the abortion was the one who drove her to get it. That's about the time when I went on MC's radio show. I called her mom who confirmed that she never knew she was pregnant. She was though. Her stomach was rounded like it had never been before and after (until she got pregnant again by that other guy) and firm.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Btw, if you think I'm lying why wouldn't I have said five or six months just to make it more believable to doubters like you two? Oh, you DO think I'm that stupid. Oh well.

reply from: BossMomma

LO, she was three and a half months pregnant.Her stomach was nice and round.. a few weeks latter she showed me how nice and flat it was. Disgusting. Awful.
Her belly was nice and round at 3 1/2 months? I'm sorry but that is an utter load of BS. Women don't even get a little bump until about 5 months so try selling your story to a younger less educated crowd.
Totally true. At three and a half months I could still wear a bikini without anyone noticing anything.
I could still wear my tight little butt hugging low rise jeans at 4 months, and that's with my third pregnancy, not my first. Now I think CL's story is bogus and he's just a woman hating little moron without a clue.

reply from: BossMomma

Because I don't think you have a clue about pregnancy. At 3 1/2 months most women are just starting their prenatal appointments, the baby is the size of a lima bean. Even with two in there the abdomin wouldn't be rounded, I know because I WAS pregnant with twins. Sell it to a younger more uneducated crowd.

reply from: BossMomma

No kidding, with my first pregnancy I had rock hard abs from kick boxing and weight lifting and people told me I was lying about being pregnant until I finally got a bump at 5 months. I didn't have a small baby either, my son came out all of 9lbs.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Well I said it was nice and round, not big. Her belly was definitely rounded. So either you're calling me a liar or her a liar. So what. When she noticed she was getting heavier she went to get a pregnancy test, then she came to me and told me she was pregnant. We had been fighting recently so she had an angry look and told me "you don't want it do you?" like she was accusing me. I told her no, I DO want the child. I couldn't help but be angry at her accusation like what either of us WANTED even mattered at this point. A few days later she gave me the ultimatum and I said I wasn't going to marry her and she wasn't going to have an abortion. I told her I wanted the baby. At that time I suspected she was already seeing someone else so was even more disgusted with her. A few days after that I told her I was sorry and I would marry her and I'd do anything to save that child's life and she told me it was 'too late'. She was showing, anyone could tell. If she wasn't three and a half months then she was more - how the hell should I know. I only know what I saw. I picked up some baby books and went by her house a week later and she said she had a miscarriage. She told me she started to bleed and had her mom take her to the hospital. She moved her hand over her stomach so I could see she wasn't carrying anymore. She was really angry. I had brought baby books and $300. I gave her the money and left. I still have the baby books.

reply from: 4given

At 14 weeks with twins, it is most definately likely that she was "round". Especially if she was petite to begin with. We have pictures from 12 weeks, and it was obvious (esp. 1st pregnancy) how pregnancy had taken its shape. I can only imagine if it had been 2 children. Why anyone would doubt that, based on their own bikini recollections is absurd. Every woman, as every pregnancy is carried differently. Our 2nd child, even though mom was quite petite at his discovery- the uterus and pregnancy at 5 weeks was obvious. Again- every pregnancy, woman and body is different.

reply from: ChristianLott2

She wasn't a petite girl but she had no fat on her stomach. Just thinking about her being over four months pregnant and aborting multiple babies doesn't make me feel any 'better' I assure you.

reply from: 4given

It doesn't matter if she was 2 weeks along. The fact that she lied to you and killed your child(ren) should be enough. Again, I am sorry for what you have been through and the men and women here that don't choose to recognize how this has harmed you.

reply from: CharlesD

I have a nice round belly too, but I don't think I'm likely to give birth any time soon.

reply from: ChristianLott2

that was very revealing (and insulting) CD. were you just being careless or did you mean to be rude?

reply from: carolemarie

Christian Lott,
Sorry for your loss, but venting your anger on everyone and claiming a "special pain" much worse than anyone else who has suffered a painful loss is incredibly self centered.
There are support groups for men who have lost a child. That would be a good place for you check out to get some healing.
But trying to ruin the pleasure a new mom is taking in her child is totally wrong.

reply from: ChristianLott2

I'm sorry you can't read but please quote where I said I had a "special pain".
I've been talking about this with people for seven years and have been consistently treated rudely and disrespectfully. If you are reading anger in something I said, please be considerate enough to quote me instead of making false accusations and assumptions and using those to insult me.
Oh, bs. This new mom supports the slaughter of unborn children. How anyone can be happy for such a murderous bigot is telling indeed.
As for you CD, since you can't manage an apology, just a 'counseling' referral all that's left is to assume you DID mean to make a joke. What a crass and corrupt 'christian' you've turned out to be.

reply from: Altari

Sounds as though CL2 got played. I've been pregnant 3 times, and not even with my 3rd (where you show much, MUCH earlier) was I at all "protruding" before the 4th month. And even at that point, it could easily be passed off as drinking too much soda. With my first, it wasn't until 6 months that any kind of disturbance in the belly was apparent.
Saying "I'm pregnant" is a very typical way for manipulative women to get a wedding ring - fast. These marriages usually are followed by a sudden "miscarriage" and a long period of "mourning" that leads up to a "planned" pregnancy. When the manipulative harpies do not get their marriage, they try to turn the knife and say they "aborted". To say the guy that drove her is the one who knocked her up? More manipulation. "I didn't want your baby, so I killed it with his help, then had his!"
Stop spewing your hate and open your eyes. The OP just had a baby, a happy time. Be happy for someone else.

reply from: deannat

I have had two children and this was my experience as well. I didn't even start wearing loose clothes until I was 5 months along during both pregnancies.
I'm afraid CL2 got played like a fiddle. Whoever did this to him was a cold and masterful manipulator.

reply from: ChristianLott2

As I said before, I honestly cannot tell how many months along she was. She said three and a half, but she could have been lying. The real point is that I can tell if a woman is pregnant or not. She wasn't drinking too much soda, she was obviously just starting to show her pregnancy. Disbelieve me all you want but I saw what I saw and she was pregnant. Whether that was my child or not could still be debated. She had just started seeing somebody else as far as I could tell so there was no real reason for her to harass me when she'd already moved on.
What is the real point of this discussion? Do all of you really believe that a woman would NEVER get an abortion on such terms?
You both seem to believe I got manipulated but there was no actual pregnancy. You think that she was a manipulator but was not capable of murder. I know she was both. It would have been a lot easier for her to confess later that she had never been pregnant. She had plenty of opportunity. That it would still be discussed years later, that she would still be apologizing for something she'd never done even after she married and had another man's baby is a bit far fetched though. She had nothing to gain.
However, I can see how pro abort women have everything to gain by discrediting me. A woman would never do such a thing - abuse her right to abortion by carrying out such manipulations - thereby protecting it's lawfulness by denying women could ever use it as a form of black mail and terrorism.
Whether it happened or not is beside the point. That it's possible and imo likely for women to use abortion in abusive ways like this is just one more reason to acknowledge abortions inherent wickedness.

reply from: ChristianLott2

It's a woman's right to choose, not a man's. That it's sometimes the case that a man and a woman disagree on what 'choice' to make sometimes is obvious.

reply from: carolemarie

CL, Here is your special woe is me post below.
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know this and I am sorry for your loss. I really am and if you remember I did post on the thread where you talked about that.
However your loss is NOT the same as mine.
Do not make the mistake of thinking you are the only one in pain here and you are all the more mistaken to think it gives you a right to abuse others Mr. Never Knew Jesus to begin with.
Did your bf give you an 'abortion or marriage' ultimatum then when you conceded to marry told you it was 'too late'? Then told you it was a miscarriage only to sleep with you again, then confessed it was abortion and there was 'more than one' baby aborted, then turn around and have a child by the bastard that drove her to the abortion clinic to murder your own?
Not everyone's been screwed over as thoroughly as my ignorant self but it's really unfair to claim you know what willful slaughter is when that hasn't been your situation.

reply from: carolemarie

As for help google post abortion support groups for men.
You need to forgive her!

reply from: 4given

What if it was Theodora that you aborted? 38 hours of labor is a lot.. but a lifetime of wondering or regret worth so much more. Pleased to hear of your blessing. I can only hope that you recognize her life to be so. Has your outlook on abortion changed since the birth of your daughter?

reply from: ChristianLott2

And there YOU have it. Nowhere do I claim it as special, it's just not the same. It's not. Anyone can see that. She was claiming how much we have in common but a death from natural causes is completely the opposite from intentional murder.
I think you are the one who needs counseling since you obviously can't understand something so simple.
Btw, a lot of you seem to be making the assumption we were using birth control and this came about by accident. In fact, we never used birth control. We both agreed we wanted children. Until we had a few fights, she found a new bf and changed her mind. She gave me the ultimatum but I really think she'd already decided she wanted an abortion. Her mom had had three (I later found out).

reply from: ChristianLott2

I don't need to forgive her, she needs to ask Jesus for forgiveness.
I stopped talking to her years ago because she refused to change her pro choice position. Someone who continues to support murder shouldn't be forgiven by me, much less a lawful loving God who hates sin.
How can someone like you understand - someone who has murdered your children you shouldn't forgive. Ever. No decent person would even ask such a thing. How offensive of you to suggest.
Am I missing something here or do you just keep telling me to shut up? Why? Because you think I'm raining on the choicer's parade?
LO could just as well have been the 'friend' she had that convinced her I was a bad guy and to abort, having never even met me. While she celebrates her new baby I have no celebration. No amount of counseling or forgiveness will erase these facts.

reply from: carolemarie

God TELLS you to forgive her!
The steps to recovery after a loss are exactly the same if it is natural causes or intentially caused. There comes a point when you have to choose to move on, to trust God to bring good out of the situtation.
Are you not glad that Lolita's baby is alive? Do you wish that child to be dead?
Why do you begruge her people wishing her and her baby well? That is seriously messed up.
Do you plan to spend the rest of your life being bitter and angry and resenting anyone elses happiness?
This thread wasn't about you. Everything isn't about you. This is about welcoming a new baby....
Once again, your pain over your loss doesn't give you the right to be ugly to this new mom.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Where?
Move on to what? Where are we going carole?
Well, since you decided to forget - I told her I was glad for her baby. Here you're insinuating I hadn't said that three times already. How rotten of you.
Not her. She represents the faction who murdered my children. Why would I suddenly be happy for someone involved in the slaughter of mine?
Just the ones who hate mine.
This is a pro life forum. Celebrating with pro choicers is not being pro life. It's the opposite.
Pro choice is ugly, carole.

reply from: Nulono

I say happy holidays because I'd rather they be happy on several holidays instead of just one. For the same reason, happy Khannuka is better than happy Kwanzaa is better than merry Xmas.

reply from: Nulono

Just shut up. I love my baby. I've never met anyone in the pro-choice community who supported that.
Thanks for the well wishes, BossMomma and RiverMoonLady. I hope your delivery goes as planned and your baby is healthy, BossMomma.I think it was 1 year, and it's Peter Singer. But he's a sick, sick, messed-up man.

reply from: Nulono

Is the OP pro-abortion?

reply from: faithman

Just shut up. I love my baby. I've never met anyone in the pro-choice community who supported that.
Thanks for the well wishes, BossMomma and RiverMoonLady. I hope your delivery goes as planned and your baby is healthy, BossMomma.I think it was 1 year, and it's Peter Singer. But he's a sick, sick, messed-up man.
Just like all borthead baby killing scum

reply from: Rosalie

Projecting your personal hate issues on a random mom in the internet is certainly very healthy, sign of a stable mind and a sign of a true Christian, right?

reply from: ChristianLott2

Projecting your personal hate issues on a random mom in the internet is certainly very healthy, sign of a stable mind and a sign of a true Christian, right?
Oh, don't be disgusted. Look at it this way, I'm celebrating by remembering my own children. While she holds her sweet child in her arms I hold my own in my heart. Sorry for the inconvenience to you but you wouldn't have to deal with disgusting people like me if you'd stop advocating murder.

reply from: 4given

Quite frankly I am disgusted at the pro-woman, pro-death philosophy that the choice community holds. I am disgusted that they don't consider the pain that is caused by even one abortion- nevermind the potential for future pain in those certain of their child's elective dismemberment today. God can heal your heart. Don't give up the fight. As I stated to you earlier, you are not alone. Many men have expressed how deeply hurt they were by the loss of their child(ren) to abortion. Don't lose hope.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Being Pro-Woman is a BAD thing!?!?! Are you INSANE!?!?! It's NOT. Maybe you should reword that to "anti-fetus" before the feminists for life eat you alive.

reply from: 4given

Being Pro-Woman is a BAD thing!?!?! Are you INSANE!?!?! It's NOT. Maybe you should reword that to "anti-fetus" before the feminists for life eat you alive. Sigh. You just don't get it. Being pro-anything is fine- especially woman, as long as the preborn and men aren't discarded. I thought that was clear enough.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

No, it wasn't. That is also why I don't say "pro-fetus" and mean it as an insult, because of course it's not. I prefer "anti-woman".

reply from: ChristianLott2

Yes, many times being pro woman especially means anti baby. Look at how the election turned out.

reply from: ChristianLott2

At least one person is on here saying she's pro woman and pro choice. We can safely call these people liars

reply from: 4given

I AM PRO-WOMAN, PRO-CHILD, PRO-FAMILY, PRO-LIFE.

reply from: 4given

Sure. Funny how they cling to words , eh? Do you think that anyone that truly cares about ending abortion will not give thought to the men involved? Much less the unborn! Seems the child can be overlooked, as it is a reality that mom has the power over its life. It is a challenging position to be in- as you know. The laws need to change.

reply from: ChristianLott2

What sane person could have ever believed we'd need to fight to stop women from murdering their babies?
Pro woman? yawn. Anti men and babies say the statistics.

reply from: BossMomma

As am I, but too many times the woman is demonized, all the pro-life outcry goes to the unborn while the woman is called a murderer. The question should not be "why are you killing your baby?" It should be " How can we help you so that you don't kill your baby?"

reply from: faithman

As am I, but too many times the woman is demonized, all the pro-life outcry goes to the unborn while the woman is called a murderer. The question should not be "why are you killing your baby?" It should be " How can we help you so that you don't kill your baby?"
In case you haven't noticed, there are CPC's, and all kinds of organized help for women before they murder their children. You continue to confuse reality with your spin on it. When you cold bloodedly kill another human being, then run back to your favorite corner to catch the next trick, you are a murderer. Kill the john, and they would go to jail. Kill the john's child [in some cases 3], and "pro-life" lavishes you with mercy, and the oportunity to become a hero. You can also make a living off of a cottage industry under the cloak of "ministry". And if one dares question the insanity of it, they are automaticly called a hater. Scanks who kill their children are influenced by demons. No one has to demonize them, they do a good job of that on their own.

reply from: Skippy

Congratulations. And what a pretty name.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

The phrase itself however, is a positive one, and I reufse to let ANYONE cast a negative view on the phrase "pro-woman". Being pro-woman is nothing to be ashamed of.
I am pro-woman.
I am pro-fetus.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

As am I, but too many times the woman is demonized, all the pro-life outcry goes to the unborn while the woman is called a murderer. The question should not be "why are you killing your baby?" It should be " How can we help you so that you don't kill your baby?"
Very well put BossMomma!!

reply from: carolemarie

As am I, but too many times the woman is demonized, all the pro-life outcry goes to the unborn while the woman is called a murderer. The question should not be "why are you killing your baby?" It should be " How can we help you so that you don't kill your baby?"
Very well put BossMomma!!
I agree, this is the crux of the matter. Many times women don't know about all the help that is there.

reply from: faithman

The phrase itself however, is a positive one, and I reufse to let ANYONE cast a negative view on the phrase "pro-woman". Being pro-woman is nothing to be ashamed of.
I am pro-woman.
I am pro-fetus.
It is when babies die under the banner. But of course you care less for the child in favor of killer mom.

reply from: BossMomma

As am I, but too many times the woman is demonized, all the pro-life outcry goes to the unborn while the woman is called a murderer. The question should not be "why are you killing your baby?" It should be " How can we help you so that you don't kill your baby?"
Very well put BossMomma!!
Thanks, ugh I think I'm going to be putting my birth announcement up within a week. I've been in pre-labor for a week now and the braxton hicks have me freakin out.

reply from: ChristianLott2

And when she ignores this?
There are women stupid and evil enough to abort a child no matter how much help and hope is extended to them. There are an equal number of men stupid enough to fall into that trap obviously.
So I'm not pro woman or pro man because the women who abort are doing a stupid thing, and the men who hooked up with them were stupid too.
The only one who's completely innocent in this situation is the baby. So call us pro fetus all you want but you're committing a crime by not placing at least some of the blame on the father and mother of that child - even if the abortion was forced, as long as the sex was consensual.
The real criminals here are anyone who's ever considered themselves pro choice imo. They've set up a trap for every single man/woman relationship. If you don't know the rules you could get screwed. That's the greater wrong. Not that people are stupid, some just don't know the 'rules' until it's too late

reply from: BossMomma

And when she ignores this?
There are women stupid and evil enough to abort a child no matter how much help and hope is extended to them. There are an equal number of men stupid enough to fall into that trap obviously.
So I'm not pro woman or pro man because the women who abort are doing a stupid thing, and the men who hooked up with them were stupid too.
The only one who's completely innocent in this situation is the baby. So call us pro fetus all you want but you're committing a crime by not placing at least some of the blame on the father and mother of that child - even if the abortion was forced, as long as the sex was consensual.
The real criminals here are anyone who's ever considered themselves pro choice imo. They've set up a trap for every single man/woman relationship. If you don't know the rules you could get screwed. That's the greater wrong. Not that people are stupid, some just don't know the 'rules' until it's too late
You're not pro-life either, you just like Fboy are pro-hate. You aren't out to promote the pro-life cause you are simply out to blame every woman for what was supposedly done to you.

reply from: ChristianLott2

You're not pro-life either, you just like Fboy are pro-hate. You aren't out to promote the pro-life cause you are simply out to blame every woman for what was supposedly done to you.
And you can't read. I placed blame on both man and woman and you still claim I blame it all on the woman.
So tell us boss, who IS to blame. If it's not the mother and it's not the father, who?

reply from: BossMomma

You're not pro-life either, you just like Fboy are pro-hate. You aren't out to promote the pro-life cause you are simply out to blame every woman for what was supposedly done to you.
And you can't read. I placed blame on both man and woman and you still claim I blame it all on the woman.
So tell us boss, who IS to blame. If it's not the mother and it's not the father, who?
I don't think abortion is about Blame.

reply from: carolemarie

And when she ignores this?
There are women stupid and evil enough to abort a child no matter how much help and hope is extended to them. There are an equal number of men stupid enough to fall into that trap obviously.
So I'm not pro woman or pro man because the women who abort are doing a stupid thing, and the men who hooked up with them were stupid too.
The only one who's completely innocent in this situation is the baby. So call us pro fetus all you want but you're committing a crime by not placing at least some of the blame on the father and mother of that child - even if the abortion was forced, as long as the sex was consensual.
The real criminals here are anyone who's ever considered themselves pro choice imo. They've set up a trap for every single man/woman relationship. If you don't know the rules you could get screwed. That's the greater wrong. Not that people are stupid, some just don't know the 'rules' until it's too late
And if she ignores the offer of help, you still care about and help her....

reply from: ChristianLott2

Help her what? Drive her to the clinic??
No, after she told me she'd had an abortion I felt sorry for her - but how do you think I felt? Screw my feelings, poor her right?
I believed that for years. I stayed in love with her when I should have tossed all that phony love in the garbage like she did our children.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

You are a sad excuse for a man.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Explain yourself then. Or do you just like to throw out insults like you accuse everyone else of doing?

reply from: carolemarie

Help her what? Drive her to the clinic??
No, after she told me she'd had an abortion I felt sorry for her - but how do you think I felt? Screw my feelings, poor her right?
I believed that for years. I stayed in love with her when I should have tossed all that phony love in the garbage like she did our children.
There are two separate issues here.
1. Your unresolved issues over the abortion, the loss of your children and your anger at being betrayed. These are all legitimate feelings and you need to deal with them appropriately, in postabortion counseling. There is a good one for men called Forgiven and Set free for men. It will help you move on with your life. You need to be able to forgive, because bitterness and anger only hurt you.
2. What about women who abort? What is our duty, obligation, or how should we continue to reach out to them.
The truth, friendship and the willingness to talk and the willingnes to listen. Lots of former prochoice people are now prolife. Like me, pro-informed, LRC for starters...

reply from: BossMomma

Help her what? Drive her to the clinic??
No, after she told me she'd had an abortion I felt sorry for her - but how do you think I felt? Screw my feelings, poor her right?
I believed that for years. I stayed in love with her when I should have tossed all that phony love in the garbage like she did our children.
No one expects you to feel sorry for her, if the event really happened it was a crappy thing she did. You have every right to be angry..with HER. The rest of the women in the world haven't done a damn thing to you. Stop hating on women in general.
If you can't help one woman choose life, move on to the next one and pray for success. Until the laws are changed we cannot save them all, but every baby saved from the abortion clinic counts. Demonizing every woman who considers abortion saves none.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Well, years after she was still pro choice. She didn't change. I waited a long time. It was a waste. None of you knew this girl but she was a manipulator. My advice to guys: always find out what your gfs opinion about abortion is and never enter a relationship with a pro abort. Can we at least agree on that?
Unfortunately the people who need this advice most likely won't get it. It's too late for them.
Btw, my disagreement with you and LRC and boss - I am a great guy. I am loyal, loving and bend over backwards to do the right thing. This girl was a complete nut. After reading your condemnation and anger at my supposed emotional problems and the insistence that I see a counselor only leads me to believe you're not reading what I've said, you're projecting your hatred of men. You should be ashamed of yourself for acting this way against someone who's already taken more than his share of blame for getting involved in such stupidity. That she's still a stupid choicer after murdering our children does NOT lead me to feel ANY more compassion for her. Even more, forgiveness by two stupid people for each other amounts to nothing. If you want real forgiveness ask Jesus and sin no more imo.

reply from: BossMomma

I have a distrust of engaging in relationships with men though I have many male friends, I'm not a man hater. You were projecting your anger at your ex on all women. I agree that the matter of abortion should be discussed prior to engaging in sexual relations. As to forgiveness, have you ever recited the Lord's Prayer?
Our Father, who art in Heaven,
Hallowed be thy name.
The Kingdome come, thy will be done
on earth as it is in Heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread and Forgive us our tresspasses as we forgive those who tresspass against us
For thine is the power and the kingdom and the glory. Amen
Forgiveness is divine and a first step toward healing.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Please explain how I hate and demonized women?
I plead with her not to have an abortion just like I plead with any woman who comes on here asking for help. In fact, I have an abortion help message I post at such times.
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I think I've done more than my fair share of showing compassion and patience. To still be calling me a male chuvanist is just stupid.

reply from: BossMomma

Please explain how I hate and demonized women?
I plead with her not to have an abortion just like I plead with any woman who comes on here asking for help. In fact, I have an abortion help message I post at such times.
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I think I've done more than my fair share of showing compassion and patience. To still be calling me a male chuvanist is just stupid.
No, you dwell on you're experience and take it out on all women. If the shoe fits, wear it.

reply from: ChristianLott2

How am I projecting any anger, much less anger on all or ANY women?
I hate pro aborts. Period.
My point is that my forgiveness of her or her forgiveness of me is meaningless. We need to ask for our children's forgiveness and Jesus'.

reply from: ChristianLott2

No, you dwell on you're experience and take it out on all women. If the shoe fits, wear it.
These are general accusations. Please be more specific. shees.

reply from: 4given

Who are you to speak to another human being this way? Is it because he is a male? Suppose the same things were coming from a woman that regretted her abortion?

reply from: ChristianLott2

Who are you to speak to another human being this way? Is it because he is a male? Suppose the same things were coming from a woman that regretted her abortion?
I know, this is ridiculous!

reply from: carolemarie

If this was a chick, I would say GO TO POST-ABORTION COUNSELING.
Forgive your ex and get on with living!

reply from: 4given

Chin up friend. It is IMO Pro(faux)-woman to an extreme. Certainly not a message I am comfortable with the new and uncertain receiving. Could it be that LCR is a stumbling block to the pro-life side?
Yet she is new to the pro-life side.. Does that mean it takes longer to help her with the basic truths here?

reply from: carolemarie

I think she is on target. He is venting on women. See my PM

reply from: faithman

What CM really means is screw the womb child, trample their memory under your blood soaked feet, and become a pro-life "hero" by hating on everyone that actually thinks womb child interest should trump those of the baby killers.

reply from: ChristianLott2

she's pro choice ?!?
I'm living, my children aren't. Get on with what exactly?
I had one word to say on this thread. Having to defend myself for seven pages isn't really that appreciated though.

reply from: BossMomma

she's pro choice ?!?
I'm living, my children aren't. Get on with what exactly?
I had one word to say on this thread. Having to defend myself for seven pages isn't really that appreciated though.
Well when you post crap like this on someone's birth announcement of all things :
Just thinking about a new born reminds me of my own that were slaughtered by a pro choicer. I'm really happy for your baby but I can't manage to be happy for you.
You kinda set yourself up to get called out. If you didn't have anything nice to say to Lolita you could have just said nothing at all, now quit whining about how everyone's attacking poor little you as if you didn't start anything.

reply from: ChristianLott2

It's true. She didn't start anything by coming here announcing the birth of her baby while condemning others to die. Or don't you think that is what pro choice is all about?
She's okay with 3,500 babies a day being slaughtered when she could help stop it - but if I call attention to that fact I'm the one that's wrong?
You're right, you're pro woman first, pro life after. Nice to see you feminists still have your cards in order. Disgusting.

reply from: 4given

ChristianLott.. You have a message and quite possibly a calling. You represent countless men that have been harmed by the abortion industry. Time to take action. There are so many that need to have their voices heard. Consider the next step. Do it for your babies. I know their loss won't ever fade away, but their existence may be redeemed through your efforts to change history in regard to paternal rights.

reply from: BossMomma

It's true. She didn't start anything by coming here announcing the birth of her baby while condemning others to die. Or don't you think that is what pro choice is all about?
She's okay with 3,500 babies a day being slaughtered when she could help stop it - but if I call attention to that fact I'm the one that's wrong?
You're right, you're pro woman first, pro life after. Nice to see you feminists still have your cards in order. Disgusting.
You forget, feminists started out pro-life and I am an old school feminist. The woman does come first, without reaching the woman you have no hope of saving the unborn. Sorry if you think having one's priorities straight is disgusting little sexist pig.

reply from: ChristianLott2

She's okay with 3,500 babies a day being slaughtered when she could help stop it - but if I call attention to that fact I'm the one that's wrong?
You're right, you're pro woman first, pro life after. Nice to see you feminists still have your cards in order. Disgusting.
You forget, feminists started out pro-life and I am an old school feminist. The woman does come first, without reaching the woman you have no hope of saving the unborn. Sorry if you think having one's priorities straight is disgusting little sexist pig.
How do you reach out to woman then, by complying with her demands - even when it's insulting to your own children's lives?

reply from: carolemarie

First, you need to resolve your issues so you can talk to women who are seeking abortion without it triggering your anger.
You need God to heal your heart, and He can do that. Then God can use your testimony to help other men heal and reach women who are considering abortion.
Operation Outcry is collecting affidavits from men who have been hurt by abortion and they use these in court cases to try to strike down laws that support abortion.
www.operationoutcry.org

reply from: ChristianLott2

I think I do pretty well in attempting to give people reasons that abortion is wrong. I don't see where you see me yelling at women seeking abortion on here, please point it out.
Thanks for the link.

reply from: BossMomma

She's okay with 3,500 babies a day being slaughtered when she could help stop it - but if I call attention to that fact I'm the one that's wrong?
You're right, you're pro woman first, pro life after. Nice to see you feminists still have your cards in order. Disgusting.
You forget, feminists started out pro-life and I am an old school feminist. The woman does come first, without reaching the woman you have no hope of saving the unborn. Sorry if you think having one's priorities straight is disgusting little sexist pig.
How do you reach out to woman then, by complying with her demands - even when it's insulting to your own children's lives?
Crisis pregnancy centers need help all the time, women's shelters need help all the time, crisis hotlines need councilors all the fricken time. There, that's at three ways you could apply yourself towards helping women with unplanned pregnancy and saving babies. Sitting there bashing women who may or may not be swayed toward the pro-life mind set saves zip. You don't have to comply with anyone's wishes, but for the sake of the unborn which you claim to care so much about you must reach the one person who could make or break that new life...the WOMAN.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Wow, this is the first 'she lied to you' post that isn't insulting - thanks spinny.
She had no stomach fat and was carrying multiple children. She told me she was 3.5 but could have been farther along and lying. I'm telling you she looked obviously pregnant with my own eyes.
No. She told me the abortionist said there was more than one that's why it was taking so long. Years later I asked her how he did it and she successfully identified that it was with a suction hose.
Did I tell you we were having unprotected sex for over four months? Manipulative people manipulate whether they have to lie or not.
When she told me she miscarried she was involved with that other guy. She decided to hit me up again when she got tired of him and a week after that told me it was an abortion.
No, it cost a lot more because I stayed in contact with her for two or three years after it happened. Like I mentioned above, I should have just ended it there.
After knowing her for over three years I finally figured it out. I wonder if you can empathize how disgusting it is to have had sex with someone after they've murdered your children.
I'm really sorry all of you think I'm a depressed person but I'm really not. I'm just telling a sad story.
Thanks for saying that spinny.

reply from: ChristianLott2

I don't see how I'm bashing women by saying what I did. Imagine if your boyfriend successfully manipulated you into an unwanted abortion then came on here telling us about this new baby he fathered by someone else.
You would say: I'm happy for the baby, but not for you - you condemned my children to death but kept another.

reply from: BossMomma

I don't see how I'm bashing women by saying what I did. Imagine if your boyfriend successfully manipulated you into an unwanted abortion then came on here telling us about this new baby he fathered by someone else.
You would say: I'm happy for the baby, but not for you - you condemned my children to death but kept another.
No, I wouldn't say a damn thing, I definantly wouldn't have tacked it on to a completely unrelated woman's birth announcement like a tactless buffoon, you don't know me so don't claim to know what I'd do, say or, think. Lolita didn't condemn your children to death, I'm wondering seriously if anyone did because your tale is full of inaccuracies. But if it did your pain belongs with that one woman, not with anyone else.

reply from: ChristianLott2

No, it belongs to all pro aborts.

reply from: ChristianLott2

fm, they so desperately wanted me out of this thread but we know what this was about - a woman who made a choice to keep her baby alive even when she believes killing it would have been okay too.
what kind of parent would think they ever had the right?

reply from: BossMomma

No, it doesn't. Trying to justify your silly little grudge because you were wronged by one woman (giving you the benefit of the doubt here) doesn't give you an excuse to hate on every woman who doesn't share your view point. If you couldn't be happy for Lolita or say something positive you shouldn't have said jack crap at all. It goes back to that basic golden rule: Treat others the way you want to be treated.

reply from: ChristianLott2

If I was a pro abort, I'd want people to call attention to this fault at every turn.

reply from: BossMomma

If I was a pro abort, I'd want people to call attention to this fault at every turn.
If you were a pro-abort you wouldn't see it as a fault.

reply from: ChristianLott2

And that's the point I'm not a moral relativist. Right is Right and Wrong is actually Wrong.
I want LO to be pro personhood but extending congratulations to a person who fights for people's right to murder babies would be like shaking hands with Himmler.

reply from: 4given

Much of it goes back to her original posts as she nonchalantly described her 7 week abortion. So after months of defending it- joking of it even, she becomes pregnant again. I am so pleased that she chose life for her baby. I hope that this precious life helps her to realize what she and others readily threw away.

reply from: BossMomma

It is sad that she chose death for her first baby and sick that she joked about it. I never saw those posts so it must've been before I came here.

reply from: ProInformed

I agree.
But unfortunately there are some people (male and female) who will lie and even kill, with relatively little concern for their victims.
Sociopathy is on the rise in our society and some people really do find some sort of sick fun in hurting others.
The trick is to acknowledge that fact,
stay away from those sorts,
and not let bitterness turn you into one of them too.
{{{{{{ChristianLott2}}}}}}

reply from: faithman

What the bortheads, and the false pro-lifers do not understand, is that there is more to life than this physical world, and our physical bodies. Our bodies are merely the containers of the precious substance Called life. Life has to have that container to express itself in the natural world. Even if the container is flawed, it still makes it possible for the miracle of life to be expressed. Our common value is not found in the container, but what is contained. The life of a womb child is equal to the life contained in all of us. The only legitimate breaking of this container, is if it has the compunction to smash other containers without cause. When you take way the ability to express life, you loose the great privilege to express your own. Evil aggression must be subdued, or no container can have any security from unjust breakage. To take away the possibility of this wonderful spark of life to be expressed, makes this world a darker place, and the rest of us containers a little more impoverished, and alone. Though the womb child is a small container, it does not lessen the value of the life it contains. If fellow containers do not value the life of the womb child container, then they have placed their personhood container in great jeopardy. Anyone who does not see that womb children are fellow human containers, containing life of equal value to their own, is a self destructive fool, drunk on the power to kill, and must be stopped for the sake of the rest of us life containers. It is the life in us that makes us equal, not our degree of ability to express it.

reply from: Rosalie

Who are you to speak to another human being this way? Is it because he is a male? Suppose the same things were coming from a woman that regretted her abortion?
So it's okay to speak like that to women who are pro-choice but not to pro-lifers, right?
The double-standards here are really appalling.

reply from: ProInformed

You are a vile, disgusting monster.
You people are not right in the head. This attitude shows more than anything how much you care about women and born babies. There's something so horribly wrong with you, it's scary.
I know somebody who takes her pets to be put to sleep for the slightest thing;
she once had her teenage son's little doggy put to sleep while he was at school one day - because the dog got diarrhea that day. Everyone in the family cringes when she gets another pet...
One of my sisters had her 2nd abortion just because she was going on vacation and didn't want morning sickness to maybe interfere with her fun. The baby was planned BTW, but I guess her planned vacation was more important to her than her planned baby?
Another sister aborted several planned babies because if there was even the slightest indication that there might be even minor problems (one baby was aborted just because she had some spotting after some invasive prenatal testing - she was aware of the fact that the test could cause spotting and didn't necessarily mean there was anything wrong with the baby, but she didn't mind killing a possibly healthy baby in her desire for perfection). She didn't even have any health problems or risk factors to be needing all those prenatal tests - just was really into wanting the perfect pregnancy/baby and wanted to have all the various prenatal tests run.
A sister-in-law had 4 abortions...
It's not really an indication of insensitivity towards women or something supposedly being horribly wrong with us when it makes us worry when such people get pregnant (or get another pet). It's a perfectly normal reaction.

reply from: ProInformed

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I don't believe any one of those stories.
No of course you don't - because you ONLY believe what you're told by the abortion industry reps, right?
You are too brainwashed and closed minded to listen to anything that questions your blind devotion to abortion.
The women I referred to really do exist, I do know them personally,
so from MY perspective your simple-minded pretense that they surely don't exist just makes you look silly and scared.
You choicists rely SO HEAVILY on just pretending anything bad about abortion is just a false rumor, don't you? Pro-abort females who take killing innocent babies very casually? Nope - simply can't be true (because it's not good PR for the abortion industry)... Rapists and child molesters being sold abortions so they can cover up their crimes? Nope - that must be a lie or an exaggeration too (because it's not positive PR for the abortion industry)...
LOL - all you can do is cover your eyes and ears, and chant louder trying to drown out the truth, eh?

reply from: BossMomma

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I don't believe any one of those stories.
I don't either, I'm a certified tech and know a Doctor will not euthanize an animal unless it's nessesary. Furthermore euthanasia is not cheap, it would cost more to destroy and dispose of the animal than to treat it for a stomach upset.

reply from: ProInformed

Well, maybe where you live vets do not do that?
Where the person I was referring to lives it obviously is done because she has done it several times. I didn't say the pets she had put down were perfectly healthy - but if there's anything wrong with them (or they are getting 'too old' she prefers to have them euthanized instead of the hassle of cleaning up after them or giving them any extra care and attention. Money was certainly not the issue - her husband was wealthy and she could easily afford to diagnose what was wrong with the pets and have them treated.
We once had a vet who would not euthanize any pets without the owners first trying to treat the sick or injured pet... and another vet we had would refer to some other vet for euthanasia instead of doing it himself. Our family personally prefers vets who do NOT easily advise or agree to euthanasia, because we worry they might then downplay possible treament options. Such vets weren't always easy for us to find whenever we moved.
As far as I know there is no law that pet owners have to try treatment first for any health problems their pets have. And I remember when cat and dog shelters routinely euthanized healthy animals anyway.

reply from: ChristianLott2

I know someone who's had over ten abortions supposedly.

reply from: faithman

Well, maybe where you live vets do not do that?
Where the person I was referring to lives it obviously is done because she has done it several times. I didn't say the pets she had put down were perfectly healthy - but if there's anything wrong with them (or they are getting 'too old' she prefers to have them euthanized instead of the hassle of cleaning up after them or giving them any extra care and attention. Money was certainly not the issue - her husband was wealthy and she could easily afford to diagnose what was wrong with the pets and have them treated.
We once had a vet who would not euthanize any pets without the owners first trying to treat the sick or injured pet... and another vet we had would refer to some other vet for euthanasia instead of doing it himself. Our family personally prefers vets who do NOT easily advise or agree to euthanasia, because we worry they might then downplay possible treament options. Such vets weren't always easy for us to find whenever we moved.
As far as I know there is no law that pet owners have to try treatment first for any health problems their pets have. And I remember when cat and dog shelters routinely euthanized healthy animals anyway.
22 round is very effective, and the cost is just pennies. City animal control still gass unwanteds around these parts.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

You are a vile, disgusting monster.
You people are not right in the head. This attitude shows more than anything how much you care about women and born babies. There's something so horribly wrong with you, it's scary.
I know somebody who takes her pets to be put to sleep for the slightest thing;
she once had her teenage son's little doggy put to sleep while he was at school one day - because the dog got diarrhea that day. Everyone in the family cringes when she gets another pet...
One of my sisters had her 2nd abortion just because she was going on vacation and didn't want morning sickness to maybe interfere with her fun. The baby was planned BTW, but I guess her planned vacation was more important to her than her planned baby?
Another sister aborted several planned babies because if there was even the slightest indication that there might be even minor problems (one baby was aborted just because she had some spotting after some invasive prenatal testing - she was aware of the fact that the test could cause spotting and didn't necessarily mean there was anything wrong with the baby, but she didn't mind killing a possibly healthy baby in her desire for perfection). She didn't even have any health problems or risk factors to be needing all those prenatal tests - just was really into wanting the perfect pregnancy/baby and wanted to have all the various prenatal tests run.
A sister-in-law had 4 abortions...
It's not really an indication of insensitivity towards women or something supposedly being horribly wrong with us when it makes us worry when such people get pregnant (or get another pet). It's a perfectly normal reaction.
You are related to, and know, some very scary, stupid women!!!!!

reply from: BossMomma

Well, maybe where you live vets do not do that?
Where the person I was referring to lives it obviously is done because she has done it several times. I didn't say the pets she had put down were perfectly healthy - but if there's anything wrong with them (or they are getting 'too old' she prefers to have them euthanized instead of the hassle of cleaning up after them or giving them any extra care and attention. Money was certainly not the issue - her husband was wealthy and she could easily afford to diagnose what was wrong with the pets and have them treated.
We once had a vet who would not euthanize any pets without the owners first trying to treat the sick or injured pet... and another vet we had would refer to some other vet for euthanasia instead of doing it himself. Our family personally prefers vets who do NOT easily advise or agree to euthanasia, because we worry they might then downplay possible treament options. Such vets weren't always easy for us to find whenever we moved.
As far as I know there is no law that pet owners have to try treatment first for any health problems their pets have. And I remember when cat and dog shelters routinely euthanized healthy animals anyway.
22 round is very effective, and the cost is just pennies. City animal control still gass unwanteds around these parts.
Yes well, most vets don't keep a rifle on hand. And it's typically poorly staffed backwoods kill shelters that still use gas chambers.

reply from: faithman

Well, maybe where you live vets do not do that?
Where the person I was referring to lives it obviously is done because she has done it several times. I didn't say the pets she had put down were perfectly healthy - but if there's anything wrong with them (or they are getting 'too old' she prefers to have them euthanized instead of the hassle of cleaning up after them or giving them any extra care and attention. Money was certainly not the issue - her husband was wealthy and she could easily afford to diagnose what was wrong with the pets and have them treated.
We once had a vet who would not euthanize any pets without the owners first trying to treat the sick or injured pet... and another vet we had would refer to some other vet for euthanasia instead of doing it himself. Our family personally prefers vets who do NOT easily advise or agree to euthanasia, because we worry they might then downplay possible treament options. Such vets weren't always easy for us to find whenever we moved.
As far as I know there is no law that pet owners have to try treatment first for any health problems their pets have. And I remember when cat and dog shelters routinely euthanized healthy animals anyway.
22 round is very effective, and the cost is just pennies. City animal control still gass unwanteds around these parts.
Yes well, most vets don't keep a rifle on hand. And it's typically poorly staffed backwoods kill shelters that still use gas chambers.
don't need a vet. I believe in the second amendment.

reply from: BossMomma

Something wrong with me? I was certified by an on-the-job training program. After 8 months I was tested and certified by my employer. I did volunteer work for the HSPCA and for various no kill shelters (IE. Twyla's Friends, Pals for pooches, VAP Volunteers for Animal Protection and, SMART SunMart Animal Rescue Team)
I worked briefly as the tech in Pet City Inc. (A pet store) providing vaccinations and worming for the animals but ended up quitting because the store owner refused to take my advice about sick animals and remove them from sales displays. I chose a career in Criminal Justice however because the money and benefits were better.

reply from: BossMomma

Well, maybe where you live vets do not do that?
Where the person I was referring to lives it obviously is done because she has done it several times. I didn't say the pets she had put down were perfectly healthy - but if there's anything wrong with them (or they are getting 'too old' she prefers to have them euthanized instead of the hassle of cleaning up after them or giving them any extra care and attention. Money was certainly not the issue - her husband was wealthy and she could easily afford to diagnose what was wrong with the pets and have them treated.
We once had a vet who would not euthanize any pets without the owners first trying to treat the sick or injured pet... and another vet we had would refer to some other vet for euthanasia instead of doing it himself. Our family personally prefers vets who do NOT easily advise or agree to euthanasia, because we worry they might then downplay possible treament options. Such vets weren't always easy for us to find whenever we moved.
As far as I know there is no law that pet owners have to try treatment first for any health problems their pets have. And I remember when cat and dog shelters routinely euthanized healthy animals anyway.
22 round is very effective, and the cost is just pennies. City animal control still gass unwanteds around these parts.
Yes well, most vets don't keep a rifle on hand. And it's typically poorly staffed backwoods kill shelters that still use gas chambers.
don't need a vet. I believe in the second amendment.
Well, as part of the civilized world I don't believe some people should be trusted with a water pistol, much less a firearm.

reply from: faithman

Well, maybe where you live vets do not do that?
Where the person I was referring to lives it obviously is done because she has done it several times. I didn't say the pets she had put down were perfectly healthy - but if there's anything wrong with them (or they are getting 'too old' she prefers to have them euthanized instead of the hassle of cleaning up after them or giving them any extra care and attention. Money was certainly not the issue - her husband was wealthy and she could easily afford to diagnose what was wrong with the pets and have them treated.
We once had a vet who would not euthanize any pets without the owners first trying to treat the sick or injured pet... and another vet we had would refer to some other vet for euthanasia instead of doing it himself. Our family personally prefers vets who do NOT easily advise or agree to euthanasia, because we worry they might then downplay possible treament options. Such vets weren't always easy for us to find whenever we moved.
As far as I know there is no law that pet owners have to try treatment first for any health problems their pets have. And I remember when cat and dog shelters routinely euthanized healthy animals anyway.
22 round is very effective, and the cost is just pennies. City animal control still gass unwanteds around these parts.
Yes well, most vets don't keep a rifle on hand. And it's typically poorly staffed backwoods kill shelters that still use gas chambers.
don't need a vet. I believe in the second amendment.
Well, as part of the civilized world I don't believe some people should be trusted with a water pistol, much less a firearm.
Doth says the shooter of mule deer...

reply from: BossMomma

Well, maybe where you live vets do not do that?
Where the person I was referring to lives it obviously is done because she has done it several times. I didn't say the pets she had put down were perfectly healthy - but if there's anything wrong with them (or they are getting 'too old' she prefers to have them euthanized instead of the hassle of cleaning up after them or giving them any extra care and attention. Money was certainly not the issue - her husband was wealthy and she could easily afford to diagnose what was wrong with the pets and have them treated.
We once had a vet who would not euthanize any pets without the owners first trying to treat the sick or injured pet... and another vet we had would refer to some other vet for euthanasia instead of doing it himself. Our family personally prefers vets who do NOT easily advise or agree to euthanasia, because we worry they might then downplay possible treament options. Such vets weren't always easy for us to find whenever we moved.
As far as I know there is no law that pet owners have to try treatment first for any health problems their pets have. And I remember when cat and dog shelters routinely euthanized healthy animals anyway.
22 round is very effective, and the cost is just pennies. City animal control still gass unwanteds around these parts.
Yes well, most vets don't keep a rifle on hand. And it's typically poorly staffed backwoods kill shelters that still use gas chambers.
don't need a vet. I believe in the second amendment.
Well, as part of the civilized world I don't believe some people should be trusted with a water pistol, much less a firearm.
Doth says the shooter of mule deer...
Yeah, I shot a mule deer cleanly, put him in my freezer and enjoyed eating him for months. Not quite the same as shooting your pet rather than providing it medical care.

reply from: faithman

Well, maybe where you live vets do not do that?
Where the person I was referring to lives it obviously is done because she has done it several times. I didn't say the pets she had put down were perfectly healthy - but if there's anything wrong with them (or they are getting 'too old' she prefers to have them euthanized instead of the hassle of cleaning up after them or giving them any extra care and attention. Money was certainly not the issue - her husband was wealthy and she could easily afford to diagnose what was wrong with the pets and have them treated.
We once had a vet who would not euthanize any pets without the owners first trying to treat the sick or injured pet... and another vet we had would refer to some other vet for euthanasia instead of doing it himself. Our family personally prefers vets who do NOT easily advise or agree to euthanasia, because we worry they might then downplay possible treament options. Such vets weren't always easy for us to find whenever we moved.
As far as I know there is no law that pet owners have to try treatment first for any health problems their pets have. And I remember when cat and dog shelters routinely euthanized healthy animals anyway.
22 round is very effective, and the cost is just pennies. City animal control still gass unwanteds around these parts.
Yes well, most vets don't keep a rifle on hand. And it's typically poorly staffed backwoods kill shelters that still use gas chambers.
don't need a vet. I believe in the second amendment.
Well, as part of the civilized world I don't believe some people should be trusted with a water pistol, much less a firearm.
Doth says the shooter of mule deer...
Yeah, I shot a mule deer cleanly, put him in my freezer and enjoyed eating him for months. Not quite the same as shooting your pet rather than providing it medical care. One can "cleanly" shoot an ailing pet as well. Don't really see that big of difference in that or having a vet disbatch a suffering animal.

reply from: BossMomma

Well, maybe where you live vets do not do that?
Where the person I was referring to lives it obviously is done because she has done it several times. I didn't say the pets she had put down were perfectly healthy - but if there's anything wrong with them (or they are getting 'too old' she prefers to have them euthanized instead of the hassle of cleaning up after them or giving them any extra care and attention. Money was certainly not the issue - her husband was wealthy and she could easily afford to diagnose what was wrong with the pets and have them treated.
We once had a vet who would not euthanize any pets without the owners first trying to treat the sick or injured pet... and another vet we had would refer to some other vet for euthanasia instead of doing it himself. Our family personally prefers vets who do NOT easily advise or agree to euthanasia, because we worry they might then downplay possible treament options. Such vets weren't always easy for us to find whenever we moved.
As far as I know there is no law that pet owners have to try treatment first for any health problems their pets have. And I remember when cat and dog shelters routinely euthanized healthy animals anyway.
22 round is very effective, and the cost is just pennies. City animal control still gass unwanteds around these parts.
Yes well, most vets don't keep a rifle on hand. And it's typically poorly staffed backwoods kill shelters that still use gas chambers.
don't need a vet. I believe in the second amendment.
Well, as part of the civilized world I don't believe some people should be trusted with a water pistol, much less a firearm.
Doth says the shooter of mule deer...
Yeah, I shot a mule deer cleanly, put him in my freezer and enjoyed eating him for months. Not quite the same as shooting your pet rather than providing it medical care. One can "cleanly" shoot an ailing pet as well. Don't really see that big of difference in that or having a vet disbatch a suffering animal.
Whatever dude.

reply from: ProInformed

Those women are 'pro-choice' relatives...


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