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Hunger in America

It is a reality.

by: scopia19822

http://feedingamerica.org/faces-of-hunger/hunger-101.aspx

reply from: BossMomma

The problem is that money means everything in this country, too few people have the opportunity to grow or raise their own food, the economy is shot to heck and stores are constantly increasing their prices. Out here the cheapest milk is still nearly $4.00 a gallon, you'd think the cow was an endangered species. The cheap bread went from 69 cents to $1.25, hell even the price of Raman noodle soup went up. Soup kitchens and food banks are some people's only hope and if you don't live near a soup kitchen or something you're SOL.

reply from: ChristianLott2

That's why bums (people who refuse to work) move to big cities that give free food out. If you have $0 and need food just go to the soup kitchen. Btw, this has nothing to do with abortion. Starving people don't have enough energy to have sex, much less money to pay for an abortion.

reply from: 4given

A really good place for yuppie rebels to live the homeless life is in Berkeley, CA. Free bagels in the morning, Food Not Bombs for lunch. Too bad I didn't see anyone but a few that actually needed to eat and had no cashflow to do so.. Sigh. Hey CL2 hungry people procreate all the time. Look at the starving in Africa. As far as America.. We could all shed a few. And abortions will be paid for by our tax dollars, right?

reply from: ChristianLott2

Yeah, all the homeless people I've seen and met (MANY) have been well fed. I'm from New Orleans and have also lived in New York and Chicago. I know what a starving person looks like, I've just never seen one in real life.
As for Africa, the problem there is - when they have rain they have plenty of food and they procreate but then they have a few years of dry spells and they all starve to death. Like Sam Kinison said - don't send food, move the people to where the food is ie. if you don't want to starve, don't grow crops in the desert
I guess same goes for you scopia - if you're hungry and need medical care and you can't get it where you live - MOVE.
I remember talking to a judge who used to come into the restraunt I was working at all the time. I spoke to him about abortion and he said if I wanted to help people to go down to one of the flop houses and help. Thing is, I've been there. Those people are getting help, they just don't want to change or can't. It's not about food or clothes. Those people have difficult psychological, emotional or spiritual problems. Or maybe they're the ones who are pure and we're just a bunch of idiots working or idiot jobs. Either way - Nobody is starving in the US so just stop it. If you need food stamps go get 'em.

reply from: Rhiannontex

I have to agree, Christian. I see a lot of homeless people in this area and not a one of them is emaciated. Darn few of them are even skinny. BTW, I HAVE seen starvation. My father basically starved himself to death, he weighed 73 lbs. when he died. But that was from physical and mental problems, not because he lacked for food.

reply from: scopia19822

"The problem is that money means everything in this country, too few people have the opportunity to grow or raise their own food, the economy is shot to heck and stores are constantly increasing their prices. Out here the cheapest milk is still nearly $4.00 a gallon, you'd think the cow was an endangered species. The cheap bread went from 69 cents to $1.25, hell even the price of Raman noodle soup went up. Soup kitchens and food banks are some people's only hope and if you don't live near a soup kitchen or something you're SOL."
I agree Boss, too bad people like CL2 are in denial when presented with the facts, I just put him on ignore because I am sick of his drivel that say nobody is hungary/starving in America. 1 in 8 americans dont know where there next meal is coming from. If ignorance is bliss people like CL2 must be happy. I have not been able to buy a gallon of milk in almost a year, instead I buy the canned stuff and mix it up. We applied and get food stamps but it is not enough to eat on and I end up having to go to a food bank or 2 a month because if I did not we would not have anything to eat. Even my mom who lost her job when it got outsourced was making 15.00 an hour, now she works at a BP station for 7.00 an hour and has to go get help. It is sad the state of our ecomony, sadly things will get worse before they get better.

reply from: nancyu

I guess I'm the one (out of the eight) because I'm hungry.
Guess I'll make some breakfast. Pancakes sound good.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

What a pile of baloney. If that were the truth, there would not BE a starvation issue ANYWHERE in the world, much less the horror occuring in Africa.

reply from: BossMomma

I wonder, does being a jerk come naturally to you or do you work at it?

reply from: BossMomma

Yeah, CL2 must also think it's just adults suffering hunger. There are loads of children in this country who go hungry, they too benefit from the soup kitchens and food banks. Wednsday before Thanksgiving I was at the church kneading and mixing bread dough, baking pies, mixing stuffing and all sorts of goodies with the other women of the church while the men were cooking turkeys in a deep fryer. We laid out a feast that fed 390 poor men, women and, children with enough for everyone to take some food home. Those who are fortunant enough to keep an icebox and pantry well stocked should never sneer down their noses at those who are less well off.

reply from: Rhiannontex

BossMomma, you and your companions fed 390. Others are doing the same all over the country. People may miss a meal here and there, but there is a HUGE difference between being HUNGRY and STARVING. Moreover, there is no one in America who cannot go to some source or another for food if they have nothing at home. BTW, when I was in San Diego more than once I saw people buying a homeless person a hamburger or hot dog rather than giving him money. The homeless person would take a bite or two then when the person wandered away half the time they threw the food away.

reply from: BossMomma

Yes I know there are those who'd rather have a beer than a bite to eat, but that is not always the case, especially around here where women are feeding 4 or 5 kids on what they can get from WIC. To a small child missing a meal or two every day can feel like starvation.

reply from: ChristianLott2

I've been poor so many times in my life I don't want to count. Really poor. So it makes me sick when people go off about "STARVATION" in ?America? of all places.
Did you know you can feed yourself for three weeks on a $20 turkey?
Maybe you didn't. But since I'm on ignore I guess you never will. Come move to Austin, our bums live high on the hog and make extra $$ on the street corners.
I save my compassion for those who are rally starving and in need not people in the US who are too stupid to feed themselves.

reply from: kd78

3 weeks on the same turkey doesn't seem very healthy due to ummm spoilage and such. hunger in america is very real! i worked with kids who relied on the free breakfast and lunch program while part of a non-profit i was doing for about a year. even had a secretary tell me you could tell which kids really needed it- they tried to eat every other kid at the table's breakfast come monday morning. nothing to eat on the weekends. try explaining to a 6 year old child that "hey skipping a meal won't kill you!" they cry. they don't understand. they don't understand why mom, dad, or grandma are having trouble. not everyone in this country that's hungry is a lazy bum who sits on his or her ass waiting for a handout. i met many hardworking families who fell on hard times. still worked their asses off, too

reply from: BossMomma

And this has what to do with hungry families? Can you feed yourself and your children on a $20 turkey for three weeks? You really need to wake up.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

I personally know several people who are living on disability payments from Social Security - one makes less than $500/month and the other about $650/month. Both must pay rent and utilities, but they do get a limited amount of food stamps ($60 or 70/month) and Medical Assistance.
I can only imagine how much it costs for electricity, phone (both are handicapped), gas, rent and household supplies. We live in a part of PA which can be as cold as 0 deg. in the winter, although it is typically about 30 deg., but the point is that either gas, electric or fuel oil bills are very high during the heating season.
I ask that any of you who are dubious use your own utility, rent and food/household expenses to calculate how much you absolutely need to survive. Is it less than $650 a month? Do you spend less than $70 on food each month?
It cannot be easy.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Eggs are very cheap as well. Dark meat chicken. Problem is, after eating the same thing day in and day out you probably would rather starve (but you won't)

reply from: BossMomma

So you think you can raise a family on Dark chicken meat and eggs? How is that going to supply the basic food groups nessesary for proper growth and developement? Or is it because needy children are already born and thus none of your concern?

reply from: BossMomma

http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/04/editorials/hungry_us_children.htm

reply from: Rhiannontex

Um, BossMomma, did you bother to read that article you posted? It makes it quite clear that things are not life-threateningly dire, and it also points out that adults will do their best to make sure that the children are fed.

reply from: ChristianLott2

So you think you can raise a family on Dark chicken meat and eggs? How is that going to supply the basic food groups nessesary for proper growth and developement? Or is it because needy children are already born and thus none of your concern?
Last time I checked flour and corn meal cost nothing as well. Bananas are cheap and apples and oranges can be bought in bulk, I can usually get watermelon at a good price...
Rice is cheap. Beans are cheap. I don't really know what you gals are going on about but it's probably bent on making me look like I don't care about children. As I mentioned before, I sponsor a child in India and I dearly love all the children and adults in my family. Just because I know for a fact there isn't anyone starving in the US doesn't mean I don't care about needy children it simply means I know there are no children (nor adults) starving in the US and if there are their parents should be charged with neglect.
Now lay off. What is your problem anyway? Have you ever seen a starving person here in the US?? If so let's hear about it so you can stop lying about me.

reply from: carolemarie

There are people who are barely getting enough food. It is appalling that you would insist that everyone who wants food can get some!
If you have no home, no shelter you can't cook a turkey or store food!
Kids do go without and so do the elderly!
In American, it doesn't get so bad that children are collapsing in the streets like in Africa but they are going hungry. So are seniors on fixed incomes that have to pay for rent utilites and medicine. They have to choose to do without food or enough food.
It is a shameful mess and we should all work to ensure that our communities meet the needs of the poor

reply from: ChristianLott2

It's appalling to think otherwise because it's true. Tell me about these homeless people you met who were actually starving and didn't know where to get food.
Tell us about these limited income elderly who couldn't qualify for food stamps.
These are serious accusations. If you really think this is a problem I'd love to see demonstrable facts that our citizens are going hungry. I too would be outraged.
The fact is however - this is a complete lie. If they're not eating right they need to look at their choice of diet not blame their fellow citizens for not helping them afford internet, twinkies and tomato paste at the same time.
This topic was started to discredit me as a person who doesn't care about anyone except womb babies. IMO this topic was started as an attack on pro life men who are tired of listening to women cry about how hard it is like men don't know how difficult life can be. It's complete rubbish and all you angry females need to get a grip. This is just another example of how one sided 'women's rights' has become and will stay until you realize there's more than one gender that matters in the world.

reply from: BossMomma

No things are not life threateningly dire, this ain't exactly kenya, but the fact remains that there are still American families who need help.

reply from: carolemarie

You seem to only care about the fetus and not one whit about the woman. If you want to convince women to have their babies you have to be willing to help them with the resourses to choose life. Otherwise you are just another person not willing to help but willing to demand the right to tell other people what to do.
If you can't care about both don't call yourself prolife. You are profetus.
Prolife is to care about the woman and the baby. They are both equally important.

reply from: yoda

Wow, carole...... you're sounding just like a proabort lately, attacking prolifers who show compassion for unborn babies.
Have you changed your stripes, or what?

reply from: BossMomma

No, she's right. A fetus needs a woman to grow in therefore the woman is just as important. To care about the one and not the other is self defeating.

reply from: lukesmom

It's appalling to think otherwise because it's true. Tell me about these homeless people you met who were actually starving and didn't know where to get food.
Tell us about these limited income elderly who couldn't qualify for food stamps.
These are serious accusations. If you really think this is a problem I'd love to see demonstrable facts that our citizens are going hungry. I too would be outraged.
The fact is however - this is a complete lie. If they're not eating right they need to look at their choice of diet not blame their fellow citizens for not helping them afford internet, twinkies and tomato paste at the same time.
This topic was started to discredit me as a person who doesn't care about anyone except womb babies. IMO this topic was started as an attack on pro life men who are tired of listening to women cry about how hard it is like men don't know how difficult life can be. It's complete rubbish and all you angry females need to get a grip. This is just another example of how one sided 'women's rights' has become and will stay until you realize there's more than one gender that matters in the world.
I am not angry but as a home health nurse, I can assure you, there are many people going hungry. They don't get food stamps for many reasons and many of the elderly are homebound and can't get out. You don't have to go to the inner cities to find them either. Take a close look next door, look past the obvious and you may be suprised at what is hidden. For many 20 bucks is a lot of money to spend on turkey. I have seen families on food stamps and other kinds of assistance have to make it the month on less than $5. They can't afford their meds, they buy food instead. First you pay rent, then heat, then food with what is left over. Kids are going hungry, even in small town america. During the school year they at least get one good meal, two if the school has a breakfast program. the elderly and parents don't get that luxery.

reply from: ChristianLott2

I have about five friends and neighbors who owe me money. More than a few hundred, less than a thousand each. I have a sponsored child in India. WTF, no - EXACTLY WTF do I need to do to 'help out' more to be "qualified" to be pro life??
This entire thread is insulting to pro life. I'd rather have two hungry seven year olds sitting in my 10x20 apartment right now with me eating beans and eggs everyday than have to think about how they were butchered and stolen from me. It's repulsive someone would start a thread insinuating someone can't be pro life because they think the criminalization of the willful slaughter of unborn children is more important than fighting for more government give away programs that wind up in the wrong hands anyway.
I know people are hungry but you know what IT'S NOT AS IMPORTANT AS THE PREVENTION OF THE SLAUGHTER OF 3,500 PRE BORN INFANTS A DAY RIGHT NOW.
You really pushed the right button scopia. I hope for all your pain you finally do what's necessary to get some food and medical help but IMHO you need to stop blubbering, email your congressman and be thankful YOU weren't at the receiving end of a razor tipped suction hose after you were conceived.
Btw, you can save money by canceling your internet subscription, hocking your computer and getting a second job. Just some advice because I'm so appreciative of yours.

reply from: 4given

When the time comes you will take action. Your pain "qualifies" your voice. You will make a difference. Things need to change. Men deserve to have their voices heard. You do.
I don't believe that was her point. I can see how it is offensive to you though, especially when the government giveaway programs include tax-funded abortions.
I understand. Part of her statement was about preventing abortion by offering other solutions so mom c(w)ould keep her baby. I have to agree with this: "IT'S NOT AS IMPORTANT AS THE SLAUGHTER OF 3,500 PRE BORN INFANTS A DAY"

reply from: Rosalie

Your body can look fat and be starving at the same time.

reply from: Rosalie

Born children, born people who struggle, suffer, feel pain, are sick or abused are and always will be the most important.
Abortion is not nor it will never be nearly as important as helping these people. Abortion is not a problem at all. Forced abortion and forced continuation of pregnancy is but that falls under abuse.

reply from: scopia19822

"You really pushed the right button scopia. I hope for all your pain you finally do what's necessary to get some food and medical help but IMHO you need to stop blubbering, email your congressman and be thankful YOU weren't at the receiving end of a razor tipped suction hose after you were conceived."
Give it a rest CL2. Be glad that you were not born to a cocaine addicted mother who was so high that she went into labor that the staff had to tie her to the bed to keep herself from hurting herself while she was thrashing from the withdrawl. Be glad that you were not born with your system so full of coke that you almost died from convulsions not once, not twice , but 3 times, the last time I was 2 weeks old and they brought in the priest to baptize me and administer last rites because they were so sure I was going to die. By the grace of God 26 years later I am still here. I only have one working kidney and I hope and pray that I will not need dialsysis in the future. Yet I dont dwell it on it because there is someone much worse off than me. As for my computer, it is my husbands computer that he has had for 6 years and the internet I need because I work from home because I have to care for my disabled husband who cannot work and with my health problems I cannot work outside the home, but I am doing what I can . So do you suggest I give u[ a job that I can do? I do data entry and billing for Fedex. I also will help out at my Church when they need me too in the nursery which I get paid to do.

reply from: ChristianLott2

What makes you think I take advice or even respect the opinion of a pro abort?

reply from: ChristianLott2

Yes, I should stop this pro life bs and simply be glad I'm even alive. You sound like a pro abort.
If you want help from me I'd be glad to show you where all the free food is here in Austin. I'll tell you three different places to eat for free in New York and in New Orleans. Everyday. You don't need a card, just show up and wait in line for a half hour.
Since you can still craft articulate responses on this thread I'll trust that you haven't starved to death yet so let's just drop this. Thanks for another meaningless distraction.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Your lack of compassion is appalling. How many poor people do NOT live in or near large cities? Heck, I have to go ten miles to even get to a bus line, should I want to go to the nearest city for any reason and don't have a car.
Do you realize that many people are not taking vital medications in proper doses because they cannot afford them? Are you aware that mothers water down their babies' formula to make it stretch further? Do you even CARE that pregnant women have special nutritional and supplement needs and that many of them cannot afford to eat that well?
I know many people who consider even a few dollars for a meal too expensive, and will live for days on small helpings of an entree meant for one or two meals. These same people are in a pinch because of injuries and illnesses, and avoid doctor visits because of the cost. So, they get sicker and in more pain just to keep on living rather sad lives.
I cannot believe that you don't think parents should eat decent meals so that they have the strength of body and mind to raise their children. What kind of a prolifer are you? Parents give up their OWN FOOD in order to feed their children. They make sacrifices. And you tell them to just go to New York or wherever for free meals.
You are a sorry excuse for a human being.

reply from: Rosalie

What makes you think I take advice or even respect the opinion of a pro abort?
That wasn't an advice. I was stating a fact.

reply from: yoda

That's totally beside the point. Attacking another prolifer on an issue like that is helpful only to the proabort side. We get enough personal attacks from the proaborts, we don't need it from those who call themselves prolife.

reply from: carolemarie

CL2 talks alot about things he knows nothing about. Perhaps he should think about what he says before he says it.
As for being prolife, I am prolife, not profetus. I care about the women and the baby equally. And I care about the baby once it is born as well. You can't be prolife if you don't care what happens to the child once it is born, or the woman who is pregnant..
I haven't changed at all. I have always cared about the woman and the baby both.

reply from: yoda

Great way to change the subject.
Spend lots of time screaming about how "uncompassionate" someone is.
We're all entitled to our opinions, but this is not the time nor the place to lecture someone about their lack of compassion in general. We need all the allies we can get to stop abortion, we don't need constant cat fights.

reply from: yoda

Maybe so. A lot of us do that from time to time, don't we?
But does it really do any good for the unborn to use this forum as a platform to lecture people who think differently than you do?
Ah, still making them up as you go, right? I tried to look up "pro-fetus", and it isn't listed anywhere.
Pro-life is still listed, and it STILL MEANS anyone who opposes the legal status of abortion.
But what do they (dictionary publishers) know? They aren't experts like you, right?

reply from: carolemarie

Give it a rest Yoda. I defined exactly what I meant and spelled it out for you.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

That's totally beside the point. Attacking another prolifer on an issue like that is helpful only to the proabort side. We get enough personal attacks from the proaborts, we don't need it from those who call themselves prolife.
Some of you NEED to be attacked; you attack other pro-lifers all the damn time.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Let's see: LRC, scopia, carole, bossmomma, and now RML all consider themselves pro life but want to do everything but talk about making abortion illegal.
You're a bunch of pro aborts imo who waste time and feel no compelling reason to cut to the chase. At 3,500 a day, let's just sit here and whine all day.

reply from: Rhiannontex

Could someone please tell me why this thread that has NOTHING to do with abortion is still going? Scopia, I concede! Some people in America ARE hungry, OCCASIONALLY! They are NOT starving to death. There ARE numerous people out there trying to help those who are hungry. There ARE numerous resources people can turn to for food. Can we just drop this now?

reply from: BossMomma

You are the pro-abort, you drive people away from the crisis pregnancy center and into the abortion clinic. You are so ignorant and judgemental no one wants to hear your message as it is full of hate. Christ saved people with love, hatred destroys them thus YOU are the murderer.
You'd be right at home with the Aryan Brotherhood, the KKK, the Aryan Circle and any other supremisist hate group who demoralizes and dehumanizes anyone different from you. Now why don't you go burn a cross for all the babies YOU helped to murder with your hate and leave the real pro-lifers to their work.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I really think this website was created so the hateful extremists could bash other pro-lifers and call people murderers.

reply from: BossMomma

The website didn't create anything, people are the way they are whether on the forum or not.

reply from: ChristianLott2

simply the pro aborts. you lose track so quickly. i've been nothing but focused in my hate.

reply from: carolemarie

There are plenty of threads on this board if you dont like the content of this particular one. Go post in another one.
And if you are serious about ending abortion, you need to end the reasons people seek them....

reply from: BossMomma

simply the pro aborts. you lose track so quickly. i've been nothing but focused in my hate.
And what has your hate accomplished besides making you look like a lunatic? You haven't saved a single unborn child for all your bigotted rants and you wont either.

reply from: BossMomma

I don't have to, I know from past experience. It was people like you that made me pro-choice to begin with. I figured such a hateful group of people couldn't possibly have an educated opinion on the subject and pro-choicers were making far more sense. Your methods are self defeating and drive those who might advocate for the unborn away.

reply from: yoda

Then you were never prolife to begin with.
Being prolife is about the babies, not the personalities of the born posters.

reply from: yoda

Who or what is keeping you here, then?

reply from: yoda

Good point. This forum serves us by training us on how to respond, when to respond, and when not to respond to the proabort diversions. You could say it's "basic recognition practice".

reply from: yoda

Sorry, I don't take orders from you or anyone else except the owner of this forum.

reply from: yoda

Why am I not surprised that someone with "self-control issues" would say that?

reply from: ChristianLott2

We need strong pro lifers imo not people who are easily swayed. Didn't you see the 'porlifeobama' website cp posted? Weak pro lifers will believe anything.
Weak pro lifers endorse 'limiting and regulating' abortion not abolishing it. They want to 'change hearts and minds' not outlaw it. We've had 35 of that and it's made no difference.

reply from: yoda

The election of the Obamation will separate the real prolifers from the fakes. They will show their true colors now..... many of them already have.

reply from: ChristianLott2

I was thinking the same. See how quickly RML 'converted' AFTER obama was elected. roebot transformers.

reply from: ProInformed

First of all I want to clearly state that true hunger does exist, thousands die of starvation on this planet every day (in third world countries).
But it IS also true that many who take handouts are capable of working to support themselves but choose not to, or are unemployable because they choose their addictions over everything else.
I donated a 21 pound turkey to our church's food pantry, to be given away with all the typical fixings for a Thanksgiving dinner (cranberry sauce, pumpkin pie, even the ingredients for that green bean casserole that is considered a traditional side dish for Thanksgiving). Our church usually gives away more holiday meals than there are families attending our church. One of the volunteers for our church food pantry once took the turkey out of her own oven, to take to a family who called on Thanksgiving day (after the deadline to sign up)! One woman at our church donates a dozen pies every year. A pro-life family at our church that has adopted 5 kids (and no - not as 'healthy newborns') consistently contributes to the food bank every month and donates a turkey or two every year (and they are NOT 'wealthy' - in fact they could qualify to receive FROM our church food pantry under the income guidelines).
Many of those who come to pick up the food have booze or tobacco on their breath, are wearing the latest expensive styles, and arrive in much better vehicles than those of us volunteering to feed the 'needy'... We recently found out that the people we were driving clear across the city to take food to were already being given food by their local food bank, some were caught accepting holiday meals from several different charities around town, and SELLING (NOT GIVING) the excess to their less fortunate neighbors. We have since been instructed to only give food to those within a 15 mile radius of our church (our church food bank is part of a community-wide food bank that has had to adopt some new rules because of such widespead abuse of charity).
BTW, all the area public schools offer 'free' (TAXPAYER FUNDED) lunches to any school-age children all summer long, with a free bus ride to the school, MINUS any
proof of genuine need. I know of some families who have had zero qualms about taking their kids to school for a 'free' lunch every weekday all summer, year after year, in spite of the fact that their cupboards and fridge at home are full.
Also, the usual spots where beggars stand in our town are in sight of, and walking distance from, places that have "help wanted" signs posted.
I prefer to give food to beggars instead of cash, sometimes they accept and appreciate it, sometimes they refuse it and even cuss because they aren't given cash.
I also have never had a garage sale for personal profit;
I donate everything I no longer want or need to charity (or to charity garage sales).
There really are many, many people who truly need some help meeting their basic needs... but there are also those who are slackers, addicts, or even profiteers, taking from charitable givers when they really don't need the help.
I am not at all oppose dot charity when it is really needed...
in fact, IF it was not stolen from the needy, by those who don't really need it, more could be done to help those with genuine needs.

reply from: BossMomma

Then you were never prolife to begin with.
Being prolife is about the babies, not the personalities of the born posters.
No, you are not pro-life. You are pro-hatred, pro-bigotry, pro-judgement any kind of pro but life. So many pro-life women have had abortions and learned from the experience and converted to pro-life but you abuse them none the less. Being pro-life is about woman and child, you cannot have the one without the other and no life was ever saved by blind hatred.

reply from: kd78

a hungry child cannot learn properly in school. and that same child while crying and whining about how they're hungry won't listen to anyone tell them since they aren't in abject poverty then they're fine! a hungry kindergartner is not thinking that way. they are only thinking "hry my tummy's empty!" they're looking forward to breakfast and lunch at school when the next school day rolls around.
i spent two summers basically eating ramen noodles and maybe a few other things. ramen noodles will you up for a little bit but are also high in sodium if you use the flavour packet. while i wasn't starving, i was hungry. and it sucked! i don't want to go through that again. i know some of what happened was my fault and some of it wasn't. and i know it's not the same as going through that for life or having to choose between feeding your child or paying the light bill, but it was enough for me. and i don't want to deal with it again. a lot of people that don't look hungry eat foods that are really bad to eat (high fat, salt, cholesterol). it fills you up but doesn't give you the nutrition you need.

reply from: faithman

Then you were never prolife to begin with.
Being prolife is about the babies, not the personalities of the born posters.
No, you are not pro-life. You are pro-hatred, pro-bigotry, pro-judgement any kind of pro but life. So many pro-life women have had abortions and learned from the experience and converted to pro-life but you abuse them none the less. Being pro-life is about woman and child, you cannot have the one without the other and no life was ever saved by blind hatred.
And you are a punk mouthed idiot who has no one fooled. You still walk and squalk like a pro-death duck. You are the real hater, and prove it with every post.

reply from: lukesmom

Pot calling the kettle black? Is attacking all you can do? Our vacation from you was waaay too short.

reply from: faithman

Pot calling the kettle black? Is attacking all you can do? Our vacation from you was waaay too short.
It's called fighting for the womb children. You might try it sometime insted of taking up for their killers.

reply from: carolemarie

Being hateful hasn't saved one baby from abortion or changed anyones mind.
Being ugly and spiteful isnt "fighting for the babies" it is simply being hateful.
Christians are suppose to love people and reach out IN LOVE to people.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Then you were never prolife to begin with.
Being prolife is about the babies, not the personalities of the born posters.
No, you are not pro-life. You are pro-hatred, pro-bigotry, pro-judgement any kind of pro but life. So many pro-life women have had abortions and learned from the experience and converted to pro-life but you abuse them none the less.
I don't see any abuse happening, it's just women who refuse to acknowledge that they are part of the reason for the killing.
You can't have an abortion without having had sex with a man so acting like they are the only ones who matter or are injured IS bigotry. If we didn't hate Hitler and the Nazi's we would have never gone to war with them. They murdered a lot less than 50 million.

reply from: ChristianLott2

That kind of bs is what keep the abortion mills running. 'Don't fight, just shut up and hug em'.
In other words, we love them enough to hate what they do.

reply from: lukesmom

The likes of you make a prolifer's job a lot harder. Now go to bed like a good little boy.

reply from: BossMomma

Then you were never prolife to begin with.
Being prolife is about the babies, not the personalities of the born posters.
No, you are not pro-life. You are pro-hatred, pro-bigotry, pro-judgement any kind of pro but life. So many pro-life women have had abortions and learned from the experience and converted to pro-life but you abuse them none the less. Being pro-life is about woman and child, you cannot have the one without the other and no life was ever saved by blind hatred.
And you are a punk mouthed idiot who has no one fooled. You still walk and squalk like a pro-death duck. You are the real hater, and prove it with every post.
LOL Right, now run along little Johnny before I wash your mouth out.

reply from: BossMomma

Pot calling the kettle black? Is attacking all you can do? Our vacation from you was waaay too short.
No kidding, I think he ran out of hateful shyte to say so he spent a month watching South Park and heeding the word of the Almighty Cartman to restock.

reply from: BossMomma

Then you were never prolife to begin with.
Being prolife is about the babies, not the personalities of the born posters.
No, you are not pro-life. You are pro-hatred, pro-bigotry, pro-judgement any kind of pro but life. So many pro-life women have had abortions and learned from the experience and converted to pro-life but you abuse them none the less.
I don't see any abuse happening, it's just women who refuse to acknowledge that they are part of the reason for the killing.
You can't have an abortion without having had sex with a man so acting like they are the only ones who matter or are injured IS bigotry. If we didn't hate Hitler and the Nazi's we would have never gone to war with them. They murdered a lot less than 50 million.
Well it takes a man to knock a woman up don't it genius. Maybe if you boys kept your little swimmers to yourselves instead of spraying them carelessly into every vagina you can find there wouldn't be so many abortions. I love how you little pricks blame it all on the woman and totally forget your role in the abortion.

reply from: faithman

Then you were never prolife to begin with.
Being prolife is about the babies, not the personalities of the born posters.
No, you are not pro-life. You are pro-hatred, pro-bigotry, pro-judgement any kind of pro but life. So many pro-life women have had abortions and learned from the experience and converted to pro-life but you abuse them none the less.
I don't see any abuse happening, it's just women who refuse to acknowledge that they are part of the reason for the killing.
You can't have an abortion without having had sex with a man so acting like they are the only ones who matter or are injured IS bigotry. If we didn't hate Hitler and the Nazi's we would have never gone to war with them. They murdered a lot less than 50 million.
Well it takes a man to knock a woman up don't it genius. Maybe if you boys kept your little swimmers to yourselves instead of spraying them carelessly into every vagina you can find there wouldn't be so many abortions. I love how you little pricks blame it all on the woman and totally forget your role in the abortion.
Maybe if you low life unmarried scanks kept your legs crossed There wouldn't be a vagina for the prick to park. It is the abortion industry that has promoted irresponibilty among men. It give the promise of sex without responsibility. That is the difference you stupid slutty women don't understand. Marriage is a commitment, and a pledge to be faithful to one woman, and use the little swimmers to pro-create children. You stupid leftist are SSSSSSOOOOOO open minded your brains have fallen out. You spread your legs for irresponcible men, then want to cry fowl when they have had their fun and walk away. To have sexual relations out side of marriage is anti family, anti faith, anti womb child and ultimately anti woman. All those things belong to the godless left. Most pro-life men are not the whore mongering degenerates that populate "pro-choice". They see women as persons, not equipment at a sexual sporting event. There is much more to truely loving a woman than getting your jollies, and walking away. If you truely love a person, then you will do what is right by them, [and any future children], and commit to a life long relationship consumated by marriage. Sex without marriage is theft. But those who believe in stealing the life from womb children, have no prob in stealing a little sexual pleasure, without one once of intent to stand good for the potential life that maybe created. Your supposed new found faith is an empty shell of lies, as long as you live in sin, and endanger children in an unstable, throw away relationship. The saddest thing is that you also sell out being a virtuous woman, just to have fun with a no good man, and then turn around and complain when he does what you invited him to do. Has his fun, then runs when things get too tuff. You try to come off SSSSSSSSOOOOOO wise, but in SSSSOOOOO many ways you are a fool.

reply from: BossMomma

Then you were never prolife to begin with.
Being prolife is about the babies, not the personalities of the born posters.
No, you are not pro-life. You are pro-hatred, pro-bigotry, pro-judgement any kind of pro but life. So many pro-life women have had abortions and learned from the experience and converted to pro-life but you abuse them none the less.
I don't see any abuse happening, it's just women who refuse to acknowledge that they are part of the reason for the killing.
You can't have an abortion without having had sex with a man so acting like they are the only ones who matter or are injured IS bigotry. If we didn't hate Hitler and the Nazi's we would have never gone to war with them. They murdered a lot less than 50 million.
Well it takes a man to knock a woman up don't it genius. Maybe if you boys kept your little swimmers to yourselves instead of spraying them carelessly into every vagina you can find there wouldn't be so many abortions. I love how you little pricks blame it all on the woman and totally forget your role in the abortion.
Maybe if you low life unmarried scanks kept your legs crossed There wouldn't be a vagina for the prick to park. It is the abortion industry that has promoted irresponibilty among men. It give the promise of sex without responsibility. That is the difference you stupid slutty women don't understand. Marriage is a commitment, and a pledge to be faithful to one woman, and use the little swimmers to pro-create children. You stupid leftist are SSSSSSOOOOOO open minded your brains have fallen out. You spread your legs for irresponcible men, then want to cry fowl when they have had their fun and walk away. To have sexual relations out side of marriage is anti family, anti faith, anti womb child and ultimately anti woman. All those things belong to the godless left. Most pro-life men are not the whore mongering degenerates that populate "pro-choice". They see women as persons, not equipment at a sexual sporting event. There is much more to truely loving a woman than getting your jollies, and walking away. If you truely love a person, then you will do what is right by them, [and any future children], and commit to a life long relationship consumated by marriage. Sex without marriage is theft. But those who believe in stealing the life from womb children, have no prob in stealing a little sexual pleasure, without one once of intent to stand good for the potential life that maybe created. Your supposed new found faith is an empty shell of lies, as long as you live in sin, and endanger children in an unstable, throw away relationship. The saddest thing is that you also sell out being a virtuous woman, just to have fun with a no good man, and then turn around and complain when he does what you invited him to do. Has his fun, then runs when things get too tuff. You try to come off SSSSSSSSOOOOOO wise, but in SSSSOOOOO many ways you are a fool.
You unmarried *****s who so frequently think with the little head are just as bad. It takes sperm to create a life in the first place. You can't deny that the promiscuous man is the root cause of the majority of abortions, then there are rapists who see their genetalia as a power symbol. If we are expected to keep our legs crossed you men should be expected to keep your prick zipped you little punk degenerate.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Well it takes a man to knock a woman up don't it genius. Maybe if you boys kept your little swimmers to yourselves instead of spraying them carelessly into every vagina you can find there wouldn't be so many abortions. I love how you little pricks blame it all on the woman and totally forget your role in the abortion.
It's ain't called a woman's right to choose for nothin'. If it was also a man's right to choose we wouldn't be arguing over anything would we?
I think you hate men. I don't blame you I just think you need to be honest. Men can intimidate women into an abortion. That's is truly an awful thing. But blaming men for having sex with women as their (just) reason to abort - well, you're just talking like a man hating pro abort again

reply from: BossMomma

Well it takes a man to knock a woman up don't it genius. Maybe if you boys kept your little swimmers to yourselves instead of spraying them carelessly into every vagina you can find there wouldn't be so many abortions. I love how you little pricks blame it all on the woman and totally forget your role in the abortion.
It's ain't called a woman's right to choose for nothin'. If it was also a man's right to choose we wouldn't be arguing over anything would we?
I think you hate men. I don't blame you I just think you need to be honest. Men can intimidate women into an abortion. That's is truly an awful thing. But blaming men for having sex with women as their (just) reason to abort - well, you're just talking like a man hating pro abort again
If I was a pro-abort I'd still be supporting abortion you twit. A man can TRY to intimidate a woman into having an abortion, God knows mine did but I showed him who had the balls in the relationship. Do I hate men? No, I distrust them which is why I will likely remain single by choice, they aren't worth the potential for more pain.
I feel that men should own up to their part in abortion instead of dumping all on the women. Men have a right to choose as well, they have a right to choose NOT to cause an unwanted pregnancy and therefore an abortion.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Wow, that's exactly what I was saying. I consider myself a murderer for being irresponsible and also for saying I approved of an abortion when I was 18. You were the one claiming you couldn't be a murderer for saying the wrong thing or acting irresponsibly.
from the 'thanksgiving thread':
Last I'd like to point out that in some circumstances it CAN be considered all the woman's fault just like in some circumstances it would be all the man's fault. A woman saying she wants children then changing her mind and aborting. A man impregnating a woman then intimidating her into an abortion or forcing her to miscarry by punching her in the stomach or pushing her down the stairs.
I think people can be more responsible than that as well but it's not common. You never know when someone will lie to you but you can try harder to find a more trusted person. You never know when a man will turn abusive but you can try harder to weed them out and test them before it get's to that point.

reply from: BossMomma

Wow, that's exactly what I was saying. I consider myself a murderer for being irresponsible and also for saying I approved of an abortion when I was 18. You were the one claiming you couldn't be a murderer for saying the wrong thing or acting irresponsibly.
from the 'thanksgiving thread':
Last I'd like to point out that in some circumstances it CAN be considered all the woman's fault just like in some circumstances it would be all the man's fault. A woman saying she wants children then changing her mind and aborting. A man impregnating a woman then intimidating her into an abortion or forcing her to miscarry by punching her in the stomach or pushing her down the stairs.
I think people can be more responsible than that as well but it's not common. You never know when someone will lie to you but you can try harder to find a more trusted person. You never know when a man will turn abusive but you can try harder to weed them out and test them before it get's to that point.
LOL OrI can just avoid engaging in relationships with them all together.

reply from: yoda

Being pro-life is what the dictionary says it is, it is being against the legal status of abortion, regardless of what you or any other out of control emotionally handicapped poster wants to say it is.

reply from: yoda

How about non-Christians? Do you have any rules for us?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

How about non-Christians? Do you have any rules for us?
Be a decent and respectful human being.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Being pro-life is what the dictionary says it is,
A dictionary does not define my life.

reply from: ChristianLott2

That would do just as well

reply from: BossMomma

Being pro-life is what the dictionary says it is, it is being against the legal status of abortion, regardless of what you or any other out of control emotionally handicapped poster wants to say it is.
Out of control and emotionally handicapped? Sorry little one but to save the baby one must be there for the woman too, they are kind of attached to one another. Try working for a crisis pregnancy center, you might learn a bit from real pro-lifers you hateful little git.

reply from: Timeofgrace

there are a lot of hungry kids and also other people in the united states .
True many people bring hunger on them selves but that not their childrens fault
who are hungry because of them.
There should not be hungry children any where ;Here or Africa .
The real reason their is. Is because of peoples priorities and that includes governments.
There are so many stupid projects governments and also we as a people spend money on When we could spend them on worth while projects like children or some of their other folks.

reply from: carolemarie

That is true. There is enough food in the world that nobody should starve. But there isn't a will to get the food to those who need it. It is a selfishness problem.

reply from: yoda

A dictionary does not define my life.
Fortunately, that was not the subject. The subject was the meaning of the term "pro-life", not YOUR life.
But when you can't make a point, change the subject, right?

reply from: yoda

No need to apologize for being wrong.
"How to save a baby" was not the subject. The definition of the term "pro-life" was the subject.
When you can't make a point, just change the subject, right?

reply from: faithman

It is a godless secular humanist government problem. Americans have sent food aplenty to the starving. But socialist government has either gobbled the food up, or let it rot on the docks tangled up in red tape. But you jever mis a chance to post pure crap to put down those who really value life, and defends those whjo destroy it. Now tell the kind folks all your excuse for killing your children again.

reply from: BossMomma

No need to apologize for being wrong.
"How to save a baby" was not the subject. The definition of the term "pro-life" was the subject.
When you can't make a point, just change the subject, right?
You save babies by reaching the mother, not demonizing and condemning them. You can let webster rule your life but the rest of us can rationalize on our own what will help to end abortion. You, like FBoy are nothing more than a woman hating, pro-fetal imbecile who does absolutely nothing to further the good of the pro-life cause.

reply from: carolemarie

It is a godless secular humanist government problem. Americans have sent food aplenty to the starving. But socialist government has either gobbled the food up, or let it rot on the docks tangled up in red tape. But you jever mis a chance to post pure crap to put down those who really value life, and defends those whjo destroy it. Now tell the kind folks all your excuse for killing your children again.
Like I said: selfishness problem. Lack of love.
I don't have an excuse. I was young, prochoice and thought abortion was the best choice for me. I was wrong.

reply from: faithman

It is a godless secular humanist government problem. Americans have sent food aplenty to the starving. But socialist government has either gobbled the food up, or let it rot on the docks tangled up in red tape. But you jever mis a chance to post pure crap to put down those who really value life, and defends those whjo destroy it. Now tell the kind folks all your excuse for killing your children again.
Like I said: selfishness problem. Lack of love.
I don't have an excuse. I was young, prochoice and thought abortion was the best choice for me. I was wrong.
Gosh!!! A moment of clarity!!!! Hope springs eternal.

reply from: carolemarie

I have never said that abortion is okay or that it was okay to have one.
Women need help to make the right choice.

reply from: yoda

Hmmm..... I just got through saying that saving babies was NOT the subject, and you again pretend it is. Interesting.
I let Webster rule my definition of terms and words, and you would do well to do the same. "What will help to end abortion" STILL IS NOT WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.... but please, do go on ranting and raving, and calling me all sorts of nasty names... it looks soooo adult!

reply from: yoda

True on both counts, but I would add "some" before "women". Many women do not need that help.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

The problem is that FALLIABLE PEOPLE make dictionaries, and that the meanings of political words are always changing.

reply from: yoda

What a cop out.
Those "fallable" people have the education, the experience, and the data to establish word usage a thousand percent better than you do, and yet you equate your "expertise" with theirs. You have nothing but your anonymous, random opinion, they have facts, data, and academic integrity on their side. Now, whom do you think I'm going to put MY faith in?
And they DO update their definitions daily, isn't that often enough for you? Or do you demand they update every five minutes?

reply from: ChristianLott2

True on both counts, but I would add "some" before "women". Many women do not need that help.
How else could you help a woman than by asking her to put behind her short term selfishness in preference to her child's life?
So it's not about her, it's still about the baby and the sooner she realizes that the sooner she will become pro life

reply from: yoda

Ah, you remain optmistic.... that's good.

reply from: faithman

True on both counts, but I would add "some" before "women". Many women do not need that help.
How else could you help a woman than by asking her to put behind her short term selfishness in preference to her child's life?
So it's not about her, it's still about the baby and the sooner she realizes that the sooner she will become pro life
snicker snicker.

reply from: carolemarie

True on both counts, but I would add "some" before "women". Many women do not need that help.
How else could you help a woman than by asking her to put behind her short term selfishness in preference to her child's life?
So it's not about her, it's still about the baby and the sooner she realizes that the sooner she will become pro life [/q
It is about her too.

reply from: ChristianLott2

It's about her making the right decision that it's not ONLY about her.

reply from: 4given

It's about her making the right decision that it's not ONLY about her. She is the only one with the power to do that though. Others can influence her decision by making her aware that not only is she pregnant, but another life is involved. From what I have read is that when in a crisis situation- pregnancy especially, the baby will always be discounted initially. For some it takes the facts, others aren't willing to recognize that life though. You know all of this anyway. It is important to have accurate information available in regard to gestation and level of development.. The live pictures help immensely (as I was told). IAAP is a photo at 7 weeks when many women actually confirm and abort their children. Have you done anything within your community in regard to abortion education? HAve you made your case known? You have a unique story and speak fior many, as I stated. I hope you will consider taking it to the next level.

reply from: ChristianLott2

This is a cute story - I ordered a bunch of 'This is a mother's choice?' cards with the mutilated baby on it. Color cards. I took my grandmother and my uncle up to the mall in New Orleans and passed them out. My uncle was very eager. He was passing them out in the food court. My grandmother did a good job too. We did an awesome job for about fifteen minutes until someone complained to security and we were escorted out
That was probably back in 2004.
A few months ago I went to this right to life day thing, can't remember what it was called and stood up on the corner by the bridge of n/s Austin with the people who organized it. Felt like someone was going to throw a bottle from their car at me Some guy came up and told me war kills more people than abortion. Got a few good honks and some fingers.
I have a stack of these cards here. I've shown them to a few friends.

reply from: 4given

As long as the "honks" outnumbered the "fingers". right?! So the story is "cute"- especially where your Grandmother was involved! That is awesome! Much better to be amongst family and friends in either of those scenarios. Does Meme know about your children being aborted?

reply from: ChristianLott2

No, she didn't know, just being a good person. Neither of them knew.

reply from: BossMomma

Did the fetus at least have a santa hat on or something?

reply from: faithman

For future reference: You can get around mall security by not actually trying to hand things out to people. Go to the food court, get a drink or snack, and then lay your material out on your table. [the IAAP cards are great for this]. Just about everytime, folks will actually come up and request it from you. As long as you are not soliciting folks to take it from you, you are not in violation of most mall rules. Another good tact [especially for youth groups] is slip your materials into merchandice. When you are "trying on clothes" tuck the pockets with IAAP. Tupper ware is also a good target. The magazine rack is a great drop zone. Just slip the stuff in, and walk away. Don't spend to much time there as some store personel want you to buy, not stand and read their mags and books. Also you can make a "pocket" on the back of a T shirt out of a heavy mil plastic where your material shows thru. Then print on the shirt above the pocket "take one free". You will be suprised how many will. You can also get iron on IAAP pictures made up for t shirts. This will also work good for pro-life t shirt day at school. The IAAP image is SSSSSOOOOO none offensive, that we have even had elementry kids wear them without a prob. I can get shirts printed, but as with anything, the more you get the less they cost. If you would like to buddy up, and make a bulk order, let me know.


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