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For Thanksgiving - what God has given us

Some photos from where I live

by: RiverMoonLady

What we lack in material goods, we have in abundance here in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. So, I decided to share it with you. This, other than my family, is what I am forever grateful to God for. Enjoy and Happy Thanksgiving to all of you and your loved ones.
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I live 1 short block from that river at a point where it is about a mile wide!

reply from: kayluvzchoice

I really love where you live! My county used to be a rural area but because of urbanization, it has become very suburban.

reply from: Banned Member

What God gives us. Abortion destroys.
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reply from: RiverMoonLady

We're fighting that but it's hard - we are close to Philadelphia and Baltimore, so the rich folks from the cities want to move here and build their big McMansions with farm views - then they complain about the smells and dirt! A lot of farmers have put their land into preservation, but we still have too darn many acres of suburbia.
All of us (except the developers) are hoping that the current economy puts an end to a number of very unnecessary shopping centers that are planned. Hopefully the housing market will go UP for existing homes and DOWN for new homes, too!
Have a great weekend, Kay.

reply from: Rosalie

Thanks for sharing all the beautiful pictures and Happy Thanksgiving to you and your loved ones, too.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

We're fighting that but it's hard - we are close to Philadelphia and Baltimore, so the rich folks from the cities want to move here and build their big McMansions with farm views - then they complain about the smells and dirt! A lot of farmers have put their land into preservation, but we still have too darn many acres of suburbia.
All of us (except the developers) are hoping that the current economy puts an end to a number of very unnecessary shopping centers that are planned. Hopefully the housing market will go UP for existing homes and DOWN for new homes, too!
Have a great weekend, Kay.
It is a little too late to fight it here. Our county is named one of the fastest growing counties in the US and it has become one of the wealthiest. I don't even think many of the natives are that rich. Most of the people who did have cow pastures here have sold their land and moved. I hope you had a great thanksgiving!

reply from: RiverMoonLady

We have some lovely rolling hills, and they are higher along the river. The fields are hilly enough that most farmers have to do contour planting and special drainage to keep the soil and runoff from going into the river and eventually into the Chesapeake Bay, which is having problems due to high nutrients.
It is green for three seasons of the year and especially gorgeous in the Summer.

reply from: BossMomma

My god Augustine, leave it to you to take someones attempt at posting something beautiful and turn it into something morbid.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

My god Augustine, leave it to you to take someones attempt at posting something beautiful and turn it into something morbid.
We live in a violent dangerous world. People are homicidal murderers. Death and destruction follows man wherever he goes.
It's time for people to wake up and smell the coffee.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

My god Augustine, leave it to you to take someones attempt at posting something beautiful and turn it into something morbid.
We live in a violent dangerous world. People are homicidal murderers. Death and destruction follows man wherever he goes.
It's time for people to wake up and smell the coffee.
Thanksgiving is a special holiday to us Americans, and it is a time to be GRATEFUL for what we have, not angry at the world. I agree that it was quite rude of Augustine to interrupt a special holiday thread with disgustingly vile images of VERY late-term abortions.
I wonder what he has in store for us at Christmas???? What a nasty man.

reply from: yoda

I don't.
I have nothing but respect and admiration for Augustine's devotion to the unborn.
This is not a "social gathering" forum, this is a forum dedicated to the protection of the unborn from their own parents.
If you want to have a cozy, warm discussion about holidays and family, start your own private thread. And don't invite me or any other dedicated prolifer.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

I really enjoyed Thanksgiving. All of my siblings were there. Most of their spouses and children were also at the meal. It was a special time for a family get together.
I don't observe pagan days like Christmas, however, I still get together for family meals.
There may not be any living progeny if mankind can't figure out he is in a bad situation. Wars, fighting, murder has been his history; and they will end any possible future.
However, God has said he has only turned His back on us for a while. He said he did not make the earth in vain, he made it to be inhabited. He has every intention of stepping in and stopping the madness. Will man learn that he is insane?
I notice you call one of the good guys "nasty". I suppose you want to remain in your stupor and continue stumbling on towards death.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I celebrate the birth of Christ, and I go to mass the night before. The holiday is often called Christ's Mass, or just Christmas. Jesus was a gift to all humanity, and the wise men gave him gifts, and so I too give gifts to people to celebrate humanity's greatest gift, Jesus. I don't feel it's pagan at all. You CHOOSE to believe that, but that doesn't make it true. Even when I was non religious, I still celebrated Christmas and did not view it as a pagan holiday. I realise that there are pagan assosciations, but the root of the holiday as far as Christianity is concerned is very Christian.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

I do not celebrate the day because it was a celebration of the birth and renewal of the sun. Dec 25 was the shortest day of the year (it's Dec 21 or 22 now). People celebrated the fact that the days would start getting longer from that point on. The Romans celebrated Dec 25 before the birth of Jesus. Jesus was most likely born in the fall, not on the Winter Solstice. We are commanded to observe the day of his cruxifixion (Passover) rather than the days of his birth or resurrection.
The Catholics just continued observing the days of the old pagan celebrations because it was easiest to go with the flow; it's what everyone was doing.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I do not celebrate the day because it was a celebration of the birth and renewal of the sun. Dec 25 was the shortest day of the year (it's Dec 21 or 22 now). People celebrated the fact that the days would start getting longer from that point on. The Romans celebrated Dec 25 before the birth of Jesus. Jesus was most likely born in the fall, not on the Winter Solstice. We are commanded to observe the day of his cruxifixion (Passover) rather than the days of his birth or resurrection.
The Catholics just continued observing the days of the old pagan celebrations because it was easiest to go with the flow; it's what everyone was doing.
So is it a sin to celebrate his birth? No, it's not and you can't find any scripture to support that. It is FUN and heartwarming to celebrate his birth. The church moved the celebration to December in order to CONVERT the pagans, not just to "go with the flow".

reply from: RiverMoonLady

I don't.
I have nothing but respect and admiration for Augustine's devotion to the unborn.
This is not a "social gathering" forum, this is a forum dedicated to the protection of the unborn from their own parents.
If you want to have a cozy, warm discussion about holidays and family, start your own private thread. And don't invite me or any other dedicated prolifer.
I apologize if anyone else was offended by my post wishing everyone a Happy Thanksgiving and sharing some of the things for which I am most grateful.
After reading numerous threads devoted exclusively to, or collapsing into, name-calling and personal insults directed at certain posters, I never thought anyone would be upset by something beautiful, pleasant and appropriate for the day before a major holiday.
Augustine himself may not be nasty, but his attempt to derail a thread about the beauty of God's creations certainly was nasty, ill-tempered and inappropriate. To him, I offer no apologies, nor do I care what Yodavater thinks about much of anything.
I am happy to hear that some of you had a wonderful holiday and enjoyed sharing our blessings with each other.

reply from: BossMomma

My god Augustine, leave it to you to take someones attempt at posting something beautiful and turn it into something morbid.
We live in a violent dangerous world. People are homicidal murderers. Death and destruction follows man wherever he goes.
It's time for people to wake up and smell the coffee.
Yes but Jesus teaches us not to fear, for He watches over us. There is no need to constantly dwell in the negative aspects of our world. I was recently baptised and choose to see my world as God would have it, not as man would make it. You'd do well to actually read the Word for once.

reply from: BossMomma

I don't.
I have nothing but respect and admiration for Augustine's devotion to the unborn.
This is not a "social gathering" forum, this is a forum dedicated to the protection of the unborn from their own parents.
If you want to have a cozy, warm discussion about holidays and family, start your own private thread. And don't invite me or any other dedicated prolifer.
I apologize if anyone else was offended by my post wishing everyone a Happy Thanksgiving and sharing some of the things for which I am most grateful.
After reading numerous threads devoted exclusively to, or collapsing into, name-calling and personal insults directed at certain posters, I never thought anyone would be upset by something beautiful, pleasant and appropriate for the day before a major holiday.
Augustine himself may not be nasty, but his attempt to derail a thread about the beauty of God's creations certainly was nasty, ill-tempered and inappropriate. To him, I offer no apologies, nor do I care what Yodavater thinks about much of anything.
I am happy to hear that some of you had a wonderful holiday and enjoyed sharing our blessings with each other.
I enjoyed the photos greatly, they show that not all the world is hell on earth. On thanksgiving I sat at the head of my table and prayed to Christ for the first time and meant it. I told him that this day we ask for nothing, but give thanks for the bounty he gifted us with. Augustine and GodsLaw4us2live do nothing but spit Gods blessings back in his face with their negative attitude.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

I did the same, BossMomma. This year ESPECIALLY I have so much for which to be grateful.
There is a town in Lancaster County called Paradise, so when I say I live near Paradise, it is quite true. This is an old-fashioned, conservative area with people who help each other, do the right thing, follow the Golden Rule and the Ten Commandments and are gentle and peacable. There is nothing here to fear and we don't have ANY abortion clinics. So, everyone can see that such places actually exist and the people are wonderful.
I wish you could ALL be as blessed are we are.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Well, I'm next to Mennonite city here, and unlike you they don't approve of killing babies, so that is pretty nice. There is a meat packing plant here so there are a bunch of Muslim snobs who hold their noses up in the air and think they are better than others. You get paradise and hell both in such a beautiful place.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Well, I'm next to Mennonite city here, and unlike you they don't approve of killing babies, so that is pretty nice.
Godslaw, you are so out of the loop it makes me laugh. But I'll let River take the proper glory for the reveal.

reply from: ChristianLott2

I'd like to thank Augustine for posting abortion pictures. Let us never forget the ones who've been deprived of ALL their Thanksgiving and Christmas' by people like you RML. You should be ashamed to even smile.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

River Moon Lady is probably handing out Christmas gift certificates for Planned Parenthood. They are available you know! Instead of giving that child a present under the tree, how about giving him or her a nice sharp pair of scissors delivered into the back of the skull by a Planned Parenhood abortion provider?

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

River Moon Lady is probably handing out Christmas gift certificates for Planned Parenthood. They are available you know! Instead of giving that child a present under the tree, how about giving him or her a nice sharp pair of scissors delivered into the back of the skull by a Planned Parenhood abortion provider?
Ho, Ho Ho! Merry Christmas! Here's a present for you:

Happy Holidays! Here's a gift certificate for an abortion

Here's an original holiday gift idea to help the person who may have everything, including a little something they don't really want. A new way to mark the festive yearend celebration of life -- a gift certificate for an abortion.
This year, for the first time, Planned Parenthood of Indiana is offering holiday gift certificates for that certain someone in your life who may want a breast exam, a pap smear or perhaps not want another life in their life
Ho! Ho! Ho! Merry Christmas!!!

reply from: Banned Member

I understand that you are a Christian, but for some reason I thought you were better than people like GodsLaw when it came to being offensive. You keep using the word pagan like it's a dirty word or a bad thing. I am a pagan. It's not bad.
And many Christmas traditions are rooted in pagan practices. But that doesn't really matter. My understanding from my very Christian mother is that that made Christmas on the 25th so that all could celebrate their holy day together, be they pagan, Christian, Jew, etc. I, personally, celebrate Yule on the 21st, then Christmas on the 25th, because to me it is an American cultural holiday.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

I understand that you are a Christian, but for some reason I thought you were better than people like GodsLaw when it came to being offensive. You keep using the word pagan like it's a dirty word or a bad thing. I am a pagan. It's not bad.
And many Christmas traditions are rooted in pagan practices. But that doesn't really matter. My understanding from my very Christian mother is that that made Christmas on the 25th so that all could celebrate their holy day together, be they pagan, Christian, Jew, etc. I, personally, celebrate Yule on the 21st, then Christmas on the 25th, because to me it is an American cultural holiday.
Right after Thanksgiving the Puritans passed a law making the celebration of Christmas illegal in their community. Christmas was considered a pagan holiday by the Puritans who celebrated the first Thanksgiving back in 1620.

reply from: BossMomma

RML has no reason at all to be ashamed, it is people like you, judgemental and uneducated and completely spiritually warped that should be ashamed. RML has every right and reason to smile on any day of the week and how dare you treat her as though you are without sin. If Christ would not condemn an adulterous woman, Christ who truly was without sin, where do you get the right to condemn anyone? Those aborted babies are with Jesus in paradise, do you honestly think a Christmas here on earth could compare?

reply from: Banned Member

I understand that you are a Christian, but for some reason I thought you were better than people like GodsLaw when it came to being offensive. You keep using the word pagan like it's a dirty word or a bad thing. I am a pagan. It's not bad.
And many Christmas traditions are rooted in pagan practices. But that doesn't really matter. My understanding from my very Christian mother is that that made Christmas on the 25th so that all could celebrate their holy day together, be they pagan, Christian, Jew, etc. I, personally, celebrate Yule on the 21st, then Christmas on the 25th, because to me it is an American cultural holiday.
Right after Thanksgiving the Puritans passed a law making the celebration of Christmas illegal in their community. Christmas was considered a pagan holiday by the Puritans who celebrated the first Thanksgiving back in 1620.
And....your point?

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

RML has no reason at all to be ashamed, it is people like you, judgemental and uneducated and completely spiritually warped that should be ashamed. RML has every right and reason to smile on any day of the week and how dare you treat her as though you are without sin. If Christ would not condemn an adulterous woman, Christ who truly was without sin, where do you get the right to condemn anyone? Those aborted babies are with Jesus in paradise, do you honestly think a Christmas here on earth could compare?
The woman was caught in the very act of adultery. Jesus did judge her to be guilty. Jesus said, "Go and sin no more." After Jesus healed a man he said, "Stop sinning, lest a worse thing happen to you." Jesus did judge that people were engaging in inappropriate behavior. The Bible says he did not condemn the adulteress to death; she was not executed. If Jesus can say, "Hey, what you are doing is wrong, quit doing it"; then ChristianLott 2 can say the same things. It's not judgmental, uneducated or completely spiritually warped to do so. It's what Jesus would do (WWJD).

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Christian, apparently you missed the fact that I am now a prolifer. People like me? We don't deprive anyone of their holidays. In fact, we make their holidays BETTER by providing complete dinners for families, gifts for their children and other assistance to those in need, our troops and their families, women and children in domestic violence shelters and anyone whose lives are not as good as ours.
What exactly do YOU do to help others celebrate the true meanings of Thanksgiving and Christmas? Protest outside clinics? Spend hours at WalMart or the mall buying idiotic gifts? I'd love to know who you help and how many people you impact with your assistance and love over the holidays.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

River Moon Lady is probably handing out Christmas gift certificates for Planned Parenthood. They are available you know! Instead of giving that child a present under the tree, how about giving him or her a nice sharp pair of scissors delivered into the back of the skull by a Planned Parenhood abortion provider?
I do not give Christmas gifts. I celebrate the old-fashioned way - remembering that the holiday is meant to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ, not an excuse for crass materialism. And even if I did give gifts, a certificate to PP is not something I would ever dream of giving, especially to a child. In the past when I did do gift-giving, I either made gifts myself or bought handmade items from the people who made them or from the Mennonite Central Committee to support their international programs.
Godslaw, what do YOU do to help others at Thanksgiving and Christmas? And what kind of warped little mind do you have to come up with such sickening ideas? Did you miss my posts about becoming prolife with the help of the more rational people here? I guess you did, because you are one of the ones who didn't do a single thing to convince me.
Shame on you for missing a great opportunity to change the heart and mind of a former prochoicer.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Christian, apparently you missed the fact that I am now a prolifer.
Aren't you one of those "Pro-Lifers" who says you would not legislate or enforce your morality on others, therefore, abortion should be legal?
I've missed your "conversion" to pro-life.
A pro-lifer who thinks killing babies should be legal?

reply from: BossMomma

RML has no reason at all to be ashamed, it is people like you, judgemental and uneducated and completely spiritually warped that should be ashamed. RML has every right and reason to smile on any day of the week and how dare you treat her as though you are without sin. If Christ would not condemn an adulterous woman, Christ who truly was without sin, where do you get the right to condemn anyone? Those aborted babies are with Jesus in paradise, do you honestly think a Christmas here on earth could compare?
The woman was caught in the very act of adultery. Jesus did judge her to be guilty. Jesus said, "Go and sin no more." After Jesus healed a man he said, "Stop sinning, lest a worse thing happen to you." Jesus did judge that people were engaging in inappropriate behavior. The Bible says he did not condemn the adulteress to death; she was not executed. If Jesus can say, "Hey, what you are doing is wrong, quit doing it"; then ChristianLott 2 can say the same things. It's not judgmental, uneducated or completely spiritually warped to do so. It's what Jesus would do (WWJD).
No, it's not. Jesus asked the woman has no one condemned you? When she said no he said then I will not condemn you either, go and sin no more. What CL said was judgemental and condemning and Christ teaches the opposite.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Yeah, I missed the pro life conversion. Are you voting pro life next election? Do you truly think murdering a baby in the womb is the same as murdering any person outside the womb?
Everybody judges. You even judge that I'm too judgemental. Don't be a hypocrite.
Btw, I'd rather hang out with pro life pagans than 'catholic' pro aborts. It's not your religious affiliation, it's what you really believe that's important.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

What is this thing with RiverMoonLady saying she is pro-life?
I thought she wanted abortion to be legally accessible; thereby making her pro-choice (give the lady a choice).

reply from: BossMomma

Btw, I'd rather hang out with pro life pagans than 'catholic' pro aborts. It's not your religious affiliation, it's what you really believe that's important.
Correcting an error is not the same as condemning the innocent and slandering her without cause. Hateful pseudo-christian's are what drives people away from Christ, I know they did with me. It took love to bring me back to Jesus.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Christian, apparently you missed the fact that I am now a prolifer.
Aren't you one of those "Pro-Lifers" who says you would not legislate or enforce your morality on others, therefore, abortion should be legal?
I've missed your "conversion" to pro-life.
A pro-lifer who thinks killing babies should be legal?
You obviously have not been paying attention. You had nothing to do with my change of heart anyway, because you are a hypocrite, among other things.
The people I have to thank are LCR, BossMomma, Churchmouse, Nancyu, CharlesD, Bee and a few others.
The people who failed miserably were Yodavater, Faithboy, MC3, Godslaw, juilee, ChristianLott and some of the other nasty, insulting, ignorant, uneducated paranoid fools who believe the unbelievable and try to pass it off as truth, who post links to PL website stories without a word of opinion or commentary, and who plagiariaze shamelessly.

reply from: ChristianLott2

You obviously have not been paying attention. You had nothing to do with my change of heart anyway, because you are a hypocrite, among other things.
You still didn't answer the question did you?
ok, all these people are opposed to legalized abortion... (who's Bee? you don't mean kb the pro abort?)
Gosh, that doesn't sound insulting at all... or nasty... certainly not hypocritical now....
Do you or do you not support legalized abortion? What (not who) made you change?

reply from: nancyu

Christian, apparently you missed the fact that I am now a prolifer.
Aren't you one of those "Pro-Lifers" who says you would not legislate or enforce your morality on others, therefore, abortion should be legal?
I've missed your "conversion" to pro-life.
A pro-lifer who thinks killing babies should be legal?
You obviously have not been paying attention. You had nothing to do with my change of heart anyway, because you are a hypocrite, among other things.
The people I have to thank are LCR, BossMomma, Churchmouse, Nancyu, CharlesD, Bee and a few others.
The people who failed miserably were Yodavater, Faithboy, MC3, Godslaw, juilee, ChristianLott and some of the other nasty, insulting, ignorant, uneducated paranoid fools who believe the unbelievable and try to pass it off as truth, who post links to PL website stories without a word of opinion or commentary, and who plagiariaze shamelessly.
Ugh, please take me off your first list, and put me back in the second one where I belong. The rest of you have your priorities screwed up and on backwards.

reply from: BossMomma

Christian, apparently you missed the fact that I am now a prolifer.
Aren't you one of those "Pro-Lifers" who says you would not legislate or enforce your morality on others, therefore, abortion should be legal?
I've missed your "conversion" to pro-life.
A pro-lifer who thinks killing babies should be legal?
You obviously have not been paying attention. You had nothing to do with my change of heart anyway, because you are a hypocrite, among other things.
The people I have to thank are LCR, BossMomma, Churchmouse, Nancyu, CharlesD, Bee and a few others.
The people who failed miserably were Yodavater, Faithboy, MC3, Godslaw, juilee, ChristianLott and some of the other nasty, insulting, ignorant, uneducated paranoid fools who believe the unbelievable and try to pass it off as truth, who post links to PL website stories without a word of opinion or commentary, and who plagiariaze shamelessly.
Ugh, please take me off your first list, and put me back in the second one where I belong. The rest of you have your priorities screwed up and on backwards.
How so? Because we aren't spewing hateful judgements at every turn? Because we choose to use compassion to advocate our pro-life views instead of grade school insults? Which is it?

reply from: ChristianLott2

How so? Because we aren't spewing hateful judgements at every turn? Because we choose to use compassion to advocate our pro-life views instead of grade school insults? Which is it?
Amen nancy. Boss, please quote us some of these insults. If you can't, shut up already.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Christian, apparently you missed the fact that I am now a prolifer.
Aren't you one of those "Pro-Lifers" who says you would not legislate or enforce your morality on others, therefore, abortion should be legal?
I've missed your "conversion" to pro-life.
A pro-lifer who thinks killing babies should be legal?
You obviously have not been paying attention. You had nothing to do with my change of heart anyway, because you are a hypocrite, among other things.
The people I have to thank are LCR, BossMomma, Churchmouse, Nancyu, CharlesD, Bee and a few others.
The people who failed miserably were Yodavater, Faithboy, MC3, Godslaw, juilee, ChristianLott and some of the other nasty, insulting, ignorant, uneducated paranoid fools who believe the unbelievable and try to pass it off as truth, who post links to PL website stories without a word of opinion or commentary, and who plagiariaze shamelessly.
HouseRat has converted RiverBat? What a shocker! (Sorry for using that term Churchmouse; I believe it was one of RML affectionate terms for you.)
The only question I had for you was whether you believe abortion should still be legal and women allowed to chose abortion.
I believe the answer to that one question defines whether one is pro-choice or pro-life. You cannot be pro-life if you are pro-choice.

reply from: AshMarie88

While we all have chances to celebrate happy and thrilling times with family and friends, and share stories of our lives and accomplishments, babies that were killed can't share the same joy, because they were selfishly killed.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Sounds nasty and insulting. I can't remember calling RML anything but RML.. oh, and murderer... but that's just fact. If she's pro life now that'd be something she would admit to.

reply from: BossMomma

How so? Because we aren't spewing hateful judgements at every turn? Because we choose to use compassion to advocate our pro-life views instead of grade school insults? Which is it?
Amen nancy. Boss, please quote us some of these insults. If you can't, shut up already.
Here's one for starters.
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Originally posted by: GodsLaw4Us2Live
I believe it was one of RML affectionate terms for you.
Sounds nasty and insulting. I can't remember calling RML anything but RML.. oh, and murderer... but that's just fact. If she's pro life now that'd be something she would admit to.

reply from: yoda

What change of heart? Did you get a transplant, or what?
How could I have failed, when I wasn't trying? "Converting" you is at the very bottom of my to do list.

reply from: Banned Member

Wow, I apparently missed quite a bit myself while I had no internet. I can't imagine houserat coming across as anything but a bigot & a hypocrite to anyone...besides other bigots & hypocrites.

reply from: Banned Member

Can you at least be thankful for the fact that the abortion clinics were shut down for the day. No little babies were murdered in the womb that day & they won't be on Christmas day, so cheer the ***** up, ok ;-)

reply from: ChristianLott2

It's really disgusting someone would post about what a great Thanksgiving they had on a pro life forum when just the day before they were demonstrating for the slaughter of innocent children. I know it's a cliche, but concentration camps and gas chambers come to mind.. while the master race enjoys their feast.

reply from: ChristianLott2

That took a lot of effort. You demonstrated for abortion on this forum boss. Just a few months ago. Are you 'no longer' a murderer then?
If only it were that easy

reply from: 4given

It is quite sad that one would choose to ridicule another posters choice to post abortion pictures as a reminder of what God has given us. I couldn't help but to wonder myself about the women sitting down for their last feast with their child and off to the clinic to re-define black Friday.

reply from: Rosalie

It was rude and nasty of him. But then again, this forum is filled with people who are incapable of acting properly in social situations. It makes me wonder what they are like in real life because if it's close to what they are displaying here, then it is scary.
I for one am glad that you posted these pictures - I love seeing where other people live. Do you get a lot of snow in winter, RML?

reply from: Rosalie

How utterly arrogant and ignorant of you to assume what Jesus would do. It's situations like this that almost make me wish that Jesus was real so he could actually come here and tell you what he thinks of you and the likes of you who dare speak for him and twist his word.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

How utterly arrogant and ignorant of you to assume what Jesus would do. It's situations like this that almost make me wish that Jesus was real so he could actually come here and tell you what he thinks of you and the likes of you who dare speak for him and twist his word.
John 7:6-7 "Then Jesus said to them, "....The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify of it that its works are evil." John 8:44 "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do." John 8:59 "...they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by."
It is the people who don't want to hear Jesus accuse them of evil behavior that pick up stones to kill him with. I realize we don't measure up. You need to listen to Him.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

It was rude and nasty of him. But then again, this forum is filled with people who are incapable of acting properly in social situations. It makes me wonder what they are like in real life because if it's close to what they are displaying here, then it is scary.
I for one am glad that you posted these pictures - I love seeing where other people live. Do you get a lot of snow in winter, RML?
Depending on the year, we've had anywhere from 6 inches to 6 feet! I HATE snow so I'm glad it never stays more than a few weeks before it melts - but when it melts, the river floods and there is often major property damage.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

I've answered this question on other threads where you are active.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

I've answered this question on other threads where you are active.
I'm a browser; I read a very small percentage of the stuff here.
If you can't say abortion should be illegal and women should not have access to abortion providers, you are pro-choice.
If there is an ecoptic pregnancy (a fertilized egg implants in a fallopian tube), obviously, that needs to be removed. But digging around in the womb to rip out, kill and discard what can be a viable pregnancy is not appropriate.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Abortion should be legal only to save the life of the mother, or in cases where the fetus is fatally, incurably deformed (no brain, etc.) and it is safer for the mother to abort than to have a C-section or to carry to term.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Gosh, that sounds exactly like my position. Santa has his naughty and nice list. For some reason I thought you were on the naughty list. That is great that you are pro-life.
Of course, some pro-lifers, like concernedparent, I disagreed with vehemently on many issues. Yet, I agreed with him that violence in the name of pro-life was never justified while some other pro-lifers disagreed with me and cp on that issue.
In an age where some believe violence in the name of their religion is the correct path to take, I disagree completely and believe we must be subject to the powers that be.

reply from: Rosalie

How utterly arrogant and ignorant of you to assume what Jesus would do. It's situations like this that almost make me wish that Jesus was real so he could actually come here and tell you what he thinks of you and the likes of you who dare speak for him and twist his word.
John 7:6-7 "Then Jesus said to them, "....The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify of it that its works are evil." John 8:44 "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do." John 8:59 "...they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by."
It is the people who don't want to hear Jesus accuse them of evil behavior that pick up stones to kill him with. I realize we don't measure up. You need to listen to Him.
Quoting that book to me means about as much as if I just quoted the Roald Dahl book I have on my nightstand to you.
It means NOTHING. All you can do in your bigotry and fanaticism is copy and paste. What a skill.

reply from: Rosalie

Oh, I love snow, and I hope it snows this year because my daughter would LOVE that - too bad that snow never really stays too clean here in New York.
Yikes about the floods ... well I hope it snows here this year rathern than in PA, then.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

GodsLaw, you and I will undoubtedly continue to disagree on quite a few things. But that makes life interesting, doesn't it?

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

How utterly arrogant and ignorant of you to assume what Jesus would do. It's situations like this that almost make me wish that Jesus was real so he could actually come here and tell you what he thinks of you and the likes of you who dare speak for him and twist his word.
John 7:6-7 "Then Jesus said to them, "....The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify of it that its works are evil." John 8:44 "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do." John 8:59 "...they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by."
It is the people who don't want to hear Jesus accuse them of evil behavior that pick up stones to kill him with. I realize we don't measure up. You need to listen to Him.
Quoting that book to me means about as much as if I just quoted the Roald Dahl book I have on my nightstand to you.
It means NOTHING. All you can do in your bigotry and fanaticism is copy and paste. What a skill.
I read the Bible cover to cover once or twice a year. I believe Jesus is the Christ (Lord, King, Messiah, Boss). I believe following Him is the only Way to life. So I study Christ carefully. He is the example I have to imitate and follow. I must come to "know" the Lord.
With my whole life poured into this you accuse me of being arrogant and ignorant to assume I may know what Jesus would do. You accuse me of twisting Jesus' Word. And yet, then you make comments that make it appear you know absolutely nothing about the Bible. Why are you spouting off when you know absolutely nothing on the subject matter yourself?

reply from: AshMarie88

..... I was born by c-section, in 1988 in fact. That's utter rubbish.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

..... I was born by c-section, in 1988 in fact. That's utter rubbish.
I had BOTH of my children by C-section, in 1979 and 1982. Did I say that it is ALWAYS safer to abort than to have a C-section? No, I did not. There MIGHT be situations, however, when it IS safer. I'm not a doctor and neither are you. Please stop jumping to false conclusions.
Read closely - I said that abortion should be legal to remove fatally and irreparably damaged fetuses IF IT IS SAFER (not that it is always safer) for the mother to perform an abortion than to do a C-section or to carry the fetus to term. Does that make sense now? I hope so.
BTW, birth by C-section causes THREE TIMES the rate of complications to the mother than vaginal birth and DOUBLE the rate of death of newborns.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Does this mean you support personhood status for the preborn? Constitutional or state or both?

reply from: RiverMoonLady

I believe we already have too many amendments to the Constitution. This is a decision that should be left to the states.

reply from: BossMomma

That took a lot of effort. You demonstrated for abortion on this forum boss. Just a few months ago. Are you 'no longer' a murderer then?
If only it were that easy
First I've never aborted, second, I've been pro-life since October. Try to keep up with the times.

reply from: ChristianLott2

First I've never aborted, second, I've been pro-life since October. Try to keep up with the times.
Yeah, I know. I just consider anyone who's ever been pro abortion to be a murderer. You may not be in league with them now but you have been an accomplice in the past. So have I.
hence:
"Sounds nasty and insulting. I can't remember calling RML anything but RML.. oh, and murderer... but that's just fact. If she's pro life now that'd be something she would admit to."
You see, a pro choicer would not admit to being a murderer because they don't consider abortion murder, yet if you've ever advocated abortion in your life imo you are a murderer. Just because you've changed your mind now doesn't erase the past.
That's my opinion though and an explanation for the above comment.

reply from: faithman

First I've never aborted, second, I've been pro-life since October. Try to keep up with the times.
Yeah, I know. I just consider anyone who's ever been pro abortion to be a murderer. You may not be in league with them now but you have been an accomplice in the past. So have I.
hence:
"Sounds nasty and insulting. I can't remember calling RML anything but RML.. oh, and murderer... but that's just fact. If she's pro life now that'd be something she would admit to."
You see, a pro choicer would not admit to being a murderer because they don't consider abortion murder, yet if you've ever advocated abortion in your life imo you are a murderer. Just because you've changed your mind now doesn't erase the past.
That's my opinion though and an explanation for the above comment.
Watch it!!!!!!!!! You are making way to much sence to be a "real pro-lifer".

reply from: RiverMoonLady

At least we are forgiven for our past actions by Christ. That means I really don't care whether or not I'm forgiven by Christian. He is just a person.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

A much better response than the one I had... I'm indignant over the abuse he just spouted at you!

reply from: Rosalie

You are very wrong, I have read the Bible, more than once. I find it very upsetting that someone like me, who has no religious ties to Christianity whatsoever could find the goodness and the message of love in this text (even though it is of no importance to me because I don't believe in it at all) while all you can find and preach is hatred and intolerance.

reply from: yoda

What? You mean you actually expect people to be responsible for their past actions, even though they've already said "I'm sorry"?
How cruel of you! But how honest.... (yes, honesty can be cruel, at times)

reply from: faithman

What? You mean you actually expect people to be responsible for their past actions, even though they've already said "I'm sorry"?
How cruel of you! But how honest.... (yes, honesty can be cruel, at times)
Not cruel at all !!! What is cruel is denying justice for the truely innocent, by extending "mercy" to the crimanly guilty. It is no shame to call a serial killer of womb children exactly that.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

If you personally have never killed a human being, you are not a murderer.

reply from: Teresa18

It's great to hear you are pro-life. I disagree with you on two points. The first one is regarding abortion of a child with a deformity. The second is regarding the Amendment. There are pro-lifers out there with this view. The problem with this view is that if the unborn are persons, which I believe they are, then they need to be Constitutionally protected.
The Declaration of Independence, the basis on which the Constitution was written says:
The Constitution's Preamble says:
The Fifth Amendment says:
The Fourteenth Amendment says:
This government was established to protect the life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness of all persons within. The federal government exists to make sure states do not take those God given rights away. Allowing abortion to go back to the states would allow some states to deprive unborn persons of their rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Abortion can be ended without a Constitutional Amendment. It can be ended with a personhood bill which would recognize the unborn as persons, and they would then be protected under the Constitution. Justice Blackman says as much in Roe vs. Wade. It can be ended with a Constitutional Amendment declaring the unborn persons and abortion illegal. This certainly wouldn't harm the Constitution. The Thirteenth Amendment, which ended slavery, certainly didn't.

reply from: ChristianLott2

I thought repentance was hard work, you make it seem like you just had a bad hair day.
I hope Jesus forgives me (I won't really know until I'm dead) but that will never change what I've done.

reply from: BossMomma

First I've never aborted, second, I've been pro-life since October. Try to keep up with the times.
Yeah, I know. I just consider anyone who's ever been pro abortion to be a murderer. You may not be in league with them now but you have been an accomplice in the past. So have I.
hence:
"Sounds nasty and insulting. I can't remember calling RML anything but RML.. oh, and murderer... but that's just fact. If she's pro life now that'd be something she would admit to."
You see, a pro choicer would not admit to being a murderer because they don't consider abortion murder, yet if you've ever advocated abortion in your life imo you are a murderer. Just because you've changed your mind now doesn't erase the past.
That's my opinion though and an explanation for the above comment.
Well, it's a good thing you or your opinion doesn't matter to anyone but you. Frankly you are a murderer in your own right, hateful bigots like you drive people away from the pro-life movement and to the more tolerant liberal pro-choice movement thus resulting in more aborted children. The way to stop the killing is to create pro-lifers, not drive them away. You are a stumbling block to the the pro-life movement.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I love the phrase "stumbling block!"

reply from: ChristianLott2

I am a murderer because I advocated abortion at one time in my life briefly. You are a murderer as well. You're also delusional if you think my words are anything but a sincere attempt to save children's lives. Be strong and stop defending murder and irresponsibility.

reply from: carolemarie

It doesn't make you a murderer to have been proabortion once. That is quit the guilt trip you are trying to saddle people with!

reply from: ChristianLott2

The more people who acknowledged their guilt the sooner abortion will be taken seriously and ended.

reply from: Rosalie

Then get yourself thrown into jail on these grounds. And let us know how it goes.

reply from: BossMomma

I am a murderer because I advocated abortion at one time in my life briefly. You are a murderer as well. You're also delusional if you think my words are anything but a sincere attempt to save children's lives. Be strong and stop defending murder and irresponsibility.
I am no murderer, if you want to call yourself a murderer that's just dandy. Your words are nothing more than you lashing out at others because you are disturbed.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Imo you don't really believe abortion is murder. Condoning murder is just as evil as murder. You think I'm attacking you but I'm merely defending the unborn - something you should be doing as well if you consider yourself pro life.

reply from: BossMomma

Imo you don't really believe abortion is murder. Condoning murder is just as evil as murder. You think I'm attacking you but I'm merely defending the unborn - something you should be doing as well if you consider yourself pro life.
You are defending the unborn from a pro-life advocate? You are attacking me any everyone else who isn't as unreasonable as you.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Then get yourself thrown into jail on these grounds. And let us know how it goes.
as soon as they start arresting all the other pro aborts like you

reply from: ChristianLott2

Strange isn't it? Sure, you didn't murder a child with your own hands but you endorsed other's choice to do so at one time. You feel no guilt? You feel no culpability? I'm not attacking you, I'm questioning where your sense of justice lies. If you are not responsible, who is? Does it all fall on the woman who get's the abortion? The abortionist? The PP entity? Who? No one? Everyone?
Taking some responsibility for your previous mistakes makes you a better person. You can't be honestly sorry for something when you can't admit how horrible your mistake was.
As my grandfather told me "you've never made a mistake in your life."
It takes many many wrong actions by many many people to achieve something as horrible as abortion. I admit my responsibility in it. You and rml, well... you just goofed. Harmless, right?

reply from: yoda

As Mark Crutcher says: "I'm pretty sure we can defeat the proaborts, but I'm not so sure we can defeat the prolifers".

reply from: BossMomma

Strange isn't it? Sure, you didn't murder a child with your own hands but you endorsed other's choice to do so at one time. You feel no guilt? You feel no culpability? I'm not attacking you, I'm questioning where your sense of justice lies. If you are not responsible, who is? Does it all fall on the woman who get's the abortion? The abortionist? The PP entity? Who? No one? Everyone?
Taking some responsibility for your previous mistakes makes you a better person. You can't be honestly sorry for something when you can't admit how horrible your mistake was.
As my grandfather told me "you've never made a mistake in your life."
It takes many many wrong actions by many many people to achieve something as horrible as abortion. I admit my responsibility in it. You and rml, well... you just goofed. Harmless, right?
People make mistakes all the time, no one is perfect. I had the wrong opinion about abortion, see I admit it, but I will not dwell in guilt over an opinion I once had. To do so is beyond stupidity. What responsibility would you have me take? I have never aborted, I threw away a two year relationship to protect my unborn children.
I have never demonstrated for the pro-choice movement, have never donated to the pro-choice cause and, have in many ways aided the pro-life cause even as a pro-choice minded individual. How many Hail Mary's would you have me do to repent for my former opinion?

reply from: faithman

The more people who acknowledged their guilt the sooner abortion will be taken seriously and ended.
That is one point CM will never get. She is all justified up over the "3 little youthful mistakes" [slaughtering womb children] she made so she could get back to her favorite street corner. The Jesus she claims to serve said that if you have murder in your heart, you are a murderer. That's even if you have not killed anyone. All pro-death scum have murder in their heart, and all are murderers.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

It must really suck to think everyone is your enemy...

reply from: ChristianLott2

It's acknowledgment. No one is perfect and some have done worse things than others. I acknowledge my part by calling what I did murder. People who advocate a woman's right to choose murder have aided murderers. Aiding a murder is akin to murder itself wouldn't you agree?
People like RML, who've been here advocating abortion for so long and so obstinately are more guilty imo. It's only fair. I call her a murderer because that's what she has advocated for so long.
Imagine the girls viewing this forum, never registering, reading the cleverly worded posts from pro aborts to confirm their decision to murder. Just because you've never had an abortion doesn't mean you haven't influenced another's decision to have one.
Some sense of guilt is necessary. We are talking about the murder of innocent babies, remember?

reply from: ChristianLott2

Yeah, that would suck. Just making a general observation or did you have someone specific in mind?

reply from: ChristianLott2

The more people who acknowledged their guilt the sooner abortion will be taken seriously and ended.
That is one point CM will never get. She is all justified up over the "3 little youthful mistakes" [slaughtering womb children] she made so she could get back to her favorite street corner. The Jesus she claims to serve said that if you have murder in your heart, you are a murderer. That's even if you have not killed anyone. All pro-death scum have murder in their heart, and all are murderers.
Do you think a person who's murdered (or been an accomplice to murder) and repented can still be called a murderer?
I just think it's right. A person who's been involved in murder and has repented acknowledges their guilt and disapproval of their previous actions this way. Distancing yourself from it only minimizes.
I was never the one tearing little babies to pieces but with millions of people shouting for it, why place all the guilt on a handful of abortionists? After all - someone put them up to it. Six degrees of separation.
We are all far from perfect. Some refuse to acknowledge just how far they've strayed though
Imagine if you were the only person in the world who had said abortion was okay, no matter how briefly. Are you more or less guilty than if billions were chanting it like they now are?

reply from: CharlesD

You have to wonder how pro lifers arguing among themselves is advancing the cause any. Let's just keep trying to see who's more pro life than actually trying to convince people on the other side to join us. Makes sense to me.

reply from: faithman

The more people who acknowledged their guilt the sooner abortion will be taken seriously and ended.
That is one point CM will never get. She is all justified up over the "3 little youthful mistakes" [slaughtering womb children] she made so she could get back to her favorite street corner. The Jesus she claims to serve said that if you have murder in your heart, you are a murderer. That's even if you have not killed anyone. All pro-death scum have murder in their heart, and all are murderers.
Do you think a person who's murdered (or been an accomplice to murder) and repented can still be called a murderer?
I just think it's right. A person who's been involved in murder and has repented acknowledges their guilt and disapproval of their previous actions this way. Distancing yourself from it only minimizes.
I was never the one tearing little babies to pieces but with millions of people shouting for it, why place all the guilt on a handful of abortionists? After all - someone put them up to it. Six degrees of separation.
We are all far from perfect. Some refuse to acknowledge just how far they've strayed though
Imagine if you were the only person in the world who had said abortion was okay, no matter how briefly. Are you more or less guilty than if billions were chanting it like they now are?
You have a very correct handle on the situation, and understand what it means to actually take responsibility. Just because one is forgiven in the eternal, does it mean they are absolved from the consiquence in the temporal time zone. CM is a self deluded soul, who has bought into a perversion of the Gospel. She is very cavalier about slaughtering 3 of her own, and uses pro abort rhetoric to self justify a baby killing position while trying to say she is pro-life. Those who indulge in the act of murder, are murderers, and will be as long as they reside on this planet. They may be forgiven by God, but they still must deal with the justice of man on the earth. Otherwise we would have to open the doors of all the jails and let every killer go that has had a jail house conversion. Baby killers, and thier co-conspirators deserve to be in jail with the rest of the murderers. Just because they may have found a loop hole does not make them any less guilty.

reply from: BossMomma

The more people who acknowledged their guilt the sooner abortion will be taken seriously and ended.
That is one point CM will never get. She is all justified up over the "3 little youthful mistakes" [slaughtering womb children] she made so she could get back to her favorite street corner. The Jesus she claims to serve said that if you have murder in your heart, you are a murderer. That's even if you have not killed anyone. All pro-death scum have murder in their heart, and all are murderers.
Do you think a person who's murdered (or been an accomplice to murder) and repented can still be called a murderer?
I just think it's right. A person who's been involved in murder and has repented acknowledges their guilt and disapproval of their previous actions this way. Distancing yourself from it only minimizes.
I was never the one tearing little babies to pieces but with millions of people shouting for it, why place all the guilt on a handful of abortionists? After all - someone put them up to it. Six degrees of separation.
We are all far from perfect. Some refuse to acknowledge just how far they've strayed though
Imagine if you were the only person in the world who had said abortion was okay, no matter how briefly. Are you more or less guilty than if billions were chanting it like they now are?
You have a very correct handle on the situation, and understand what it means to actually take responsibility. Just because one is forgiven in the eternal, does it mean they are absolved from the consiquence in the temporal time zone. CM is a self deluded soul, who has bought into a perversion of the Gospel. She is very cavalier about slaughtering 3 of her own, and uses pro abort rhetoric to self justify a baby killing position while trying to say she is pro-life. Those who indulge in the act of murder, are murderers, and will be as long as they reside on this planet. They may be forgiven by God, but they still must deal with the justice of man on the earth. Otherwise we would have to open the doors of all the jails and let every killer go that has had a jail house conversion. Baby killers, and thier co-conspirators deserve to be in jail with the rest of the murderers. Just because they may have found a loop hole does not make them any less guilty.
Well, as long as I don't have to share a jail cell with ChristianLot I'll be fine.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Oh I'm hurt. We'd make great cell mates. You can tell me how pure you are and I can tell you how awful I am. You can tell me how little people are responsible for what they do and I can tell you how everyone is responsible for every single tiny mistake they've ever made.
We'd be like the odd couple I'd turn into an old bald dwarf and you'd turn into a faerie

reply from: BossMomma

Oh I'm hurt. We'd make great cell mates. You can tell me how pure you are and I can tell you how awful I am. You can tell me how little people are responsible for what they do and I can tell you how everyone is responsible for every single tiny mistake they've ever made.
We'd be like the odd couple I'd turn into an old bald dwarf and you'd turn into a faerie
That or I'd shank you in your sleep after the first week of listening to you piss and moan.

reply from: ChristianLott2

We'd be like the odd couple I'd turn into an old bald dwarf and you'd turn into a faerie
That or I'd shank you in your sleep after the first week of listening to you piss and moan.
So much for trying to get along...

reply from: BossMomma

We'd be like the odd couple I'd turn into an old bald dwarf and you'd turn into a faerie
That or I'd shank you in your sleep after the first week of listening to you piss and moan.
So much for trying to get along...
Hey, someone can only take so much BS yanno?


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