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by: MC3

To the Forum:
We have been forced to take an action which we avoid if at all possible. Vexing has been banned from the Pro-Life America Forum.
We completely understand that abortion is an emotionally charged issue and we are all guilty of allowing the discussions here to become both volatile and personal. In this conflict, that is just part of the landscape. But for some time now, Vexing's sole contribution has been nothing more than one vile personal attack after another against other posters.
Each of us should always be mindful that, like any other freedom, even freedom of speech must be exercised responsibly. Vexing crossed that line a long time ago and we finally reached the point where it would no longer be tolerated.
Is clear that we police the content on this forum very little. In fact, I have been personally attacked by people on both sides for what they say is a lack of oversite. Despite that, I remain committed to our "no-holds-barred" approach. I have seen other abortion-related forums were people are routinely censored or banned for simply expressing a different viewpoint than the hosting group. Let me make it clear that I will shut this forum down before resorting to that sort of thing.
Mark

reply from: nancyu

I know most of you won't agree, but I'm sorry to hear this. It's obvious that she has issues above the ordinary. I know she won't like it, but she's in my prayers. She may not be the best person, but she is a person, and I wish her well.
Take care Vexing.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Yeah... the fact that I put her on ignore not once, but twice really says something I think, especially since no one else has gone back on my ingore list since I took them all off. She didn't just offend some people; she offended everyone. I mean certainly, I argue with certain people on here but... not everyone!

reply from: BossMomma

But god forbid she should be offended, I got so tired of having to tread softly around her while she got to be as disgusting as she chose.

reply from: nancyu

No, I'm not a good Christian, but I do try to be a good person. I said what I meant and vice versa.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

I'm sorry it had to come to this, but Vexing was getting very foul-mouthed and offensive. I am sure she has psychological problems because of her gender identity disorder and its treatment, but that doesn't justify getting vulgar. I wish her the best in dealing with her problems.

reply from: cracrat

Don't really see the problem with her. Sure, she was crude, vulgar and distasteful but, and this really shouldn't come as a shock to you all, some people just are. Given that a person chooses to take offense at what another says, perhaps those who got all up on their high-horses about her statements should consider their own role in gagging a critic. Perhaps the moderators should bear in mind that any discussion on any topic comes closer to being worthless when others decide what are and are not valid opinions to bring to the table.
Oh, and the moderators really need to make the c-word one of those ones that comes up as a series of stars. Quite why it isn't is completely beyond me.

reply from: Rhiannontex

Oh, look who's back. I had a feeling that would happen...

reply from: MC3

Cracrat:
First, the fact that you see no problem with what Vexing has been doing is hardly surprising.
Second, you know good and well that we are not "gagging a critic" as you put it. If that were the case, half of the people registered here would be banned today - including you.
Third, the filth and venom that was being spewed by Vexing does not constitute an "opinion." In reality, the posts which led to her long-overdue removal rarely contained an opinion of any kind. They were just the vulgar rantings of someone with obvious emotional problems and they were getting worse.
Fourth, if you feel that culling such a person from the discussion renders the discussion "worthless," I will point out that you are free to go elsewhere. As a matter of fact, I strongly encourage it.
Fifth, I will assure you that the Pro-Life America Forum tolerates far more abuse from those of you in the pro-choice mob than ANY pro-choice forum tolerates from pro-lifers. But we will not become so open minded that our brains fall out. There are limits.

reply from: Rhiannontex

That's like saying "I had a feeling the sun would rise."
Yes, you're a...rocket surgeon!
Naw, I'm a brain surgeon. Better money.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Go ahead and have your fun. I am not ashamed to admit that I have a serious case of Bipolar Disorder with suicidal depression and that I've been on appropriate, effective medication for over 30 years.
It seems that genius and insanity are related and I already know that I have an Stanford-Binet IQ of 165, so I must be madder than a hatter, right?
What's it to you anyway whether I have a mental illness or not? It's my problem, not yours, and I have dealt with it since it was diagnosed. You are just someone new here and I could not care less about your opinions until you express them intelligently and with clarity.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Back at you
Does that mean you're in the BD closet, too?

reply from: BossMomma

I feel for you, I suffer BPD and have dealt with suicidal depression for 10 years without meds, I've been on Lexapro for going on two years and it makes a huge difference. I'm glad that you managed to deal with such a difficult issue and still live successfully.

reply from: MC3

Vexing:
Your apparently insatiable need to interject yourself into a place where you know you're not welcomed is a sign of danger. Setting the abortion issue aside for a moment, I am not being facetious when I say that you need to seek emotional help. Your behavior is clearly a symptom of much bigger problems than can be addressed here.
I ask the others on this forum to pray for Vexing. This is a person in real distress.

reply from: JRH

So the logical thing to do when person is in distress is push them away and not try to help them? I get offended by homeless people but I still try to help them out. I guess some people just don't care about others.......

reply from: JRH

Excellent ! Stick around.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Back at you
Does that mean you're in the BD closet, too?
What's it to you anyway whether I have a mental illness or not?
Oh, you're sooooooooo clever. I only thought that if we had something in common, we could share advice by PM. If you don't care, neither do I.
Byebye.

reply from: scopia19822

"So the logical thing to do when person is in distress is push them away and not try to help them? I get offended by homeless people but I still try to help them out. I guess some people just don't care about others......."
Coming from you isnt that the pot calling the kettle black.

reply from: cracrat

Some people are just a whole lot more tolerant I guess.
Yes you are. She may well have a mouth that'd make a sailor blush, but the bottom line is she picked holes in other people's statements, you didn't like it so you silenced her.
I have followed many threads in which she has argued her point with various people. Sure, from time to time she would stray into fairly incoherent profanity but most people here do. At least 50% of the nonsense faithman writes serves no other purpose than to insult or offend, churchmouse's biblically inspired judgemental rantings need only a few well chosen swear words to bring them up to vexing's former 'standard', yodavater's resorting to accusing anyone who disagrees with him too often of being a proabort is more childish than insulting, but a thinner skinned person could go right off at the deep end - a result which would be, I think, deliberate.
I said each opinion removed brought the discussion one step closer to being worthless, not that we had reached that point yet. And if I left, what would replace the little chuckles I get from reading your obnoxiuosly self-agrandizing pronouncements and interjections?
That may be true, but I don't join in anywhere else so have no interest in how they do things on other forums. And limits are fine, perhaps you might consider applying them equally.

reply from: scopia19822

Have you really? From the vindictive nature of your post it would appear that the therapy is not working. People on this board from both sides of the issue at hand have tried to be understanding of you. You are the one that had to bring up your issue of wanting to become a woman, which really never needed to be brought up on this board. You have some real issues besides your Gender Identity problems it seems. You dont debate the issue here, you just personally attack and berat people and the only reason I can logically conclude is that it gets you off. That is sick real sick. As far as you being trans, I hope that is something you are working on with a professional. I cannot understand for the life of me why somebody would want to self mutilate themselves by having their genitals sliced, but that is your perogative. Unless you have already had the surgery and I dont know of any reputable surgeon that would perform an elective surgery on a mentally unstable person you are a man, deal with that.
Back at you
Does that mean you're in the BD closet, too?
What's it to you anyway whether I have a mental illness or not?

reply from: scopia19822

"It seems that genius and insanity are related and I already know that I have an Stanford-Binet IQ of 165, so I must be madder than a hatter, right? "
Dammit River my IQ is 141!! LOL not fair.

reply from: JRH

My IQ is 180, so feel bad for you. Some people are just born without a prayer I guess.

reply from: Hosea

Thanks Mark for keeping this a forumof open discussion. I respect your decision and I hope Vexing gets help

reply from: nancyu

My IQ is 180, so feel bad for you. Some people are just born without a prayer I guess.
And others are born without heart or a conscience. I hope that high IQ keeps you warm at night. What do you do with an IQ anyway? Can you make stuff with it? Can you buy stuff with it? Does it make you a better person? Oh, wait I forgot, you're not a person anyway. Just another pro abort snotty wad of tissue.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

See, here's the thing.
You thought I was all nicely banned and wouldn't be able to post on here again.
So you took it upon yourself to have a dig at my psychological status.
Pretty damn cowardly.
Yet when YOUR psyche status is brought up, you get all defensive.
How ironic.
Vexing, it wasn't a "dig" and I'm very sympathetic to your situation. But you really DO need some help with anger management at the very least. I actually enjoy a lot of your posts because we both have a sarcastic way of writing (and probably talking) but you really lose your temper here more often than is necessary and you DO seem to have a big problem with your GID. It (or something else) has made you seemingly angry at the entire world. And I've read enough to see that you bring up GBLT and GID subjects when it's not appropriate or germane to the discussion.
I'd be more than happy to communicate with you by PM or email, but for now let's both admit we have some problems, we're working on them and that's that. Okay with that?
BTW, I thought you were some new teenager!!!!

reply from: JRH

My IQ is 180, so feel bad for you. Some people are just born without a prayer I guess.
And others are born without heart or a conscience. I hope that high IQ keeps you warm at night. What do you do with an IQ anyway? Can you make stuff with it? Can you buy stuff with it? Does it make you a better person? Oh, wait I forgot, you're not a person anyway. Just another pro abort snotty wad of tissue.
I'll keep you warm at night.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

My IQ is 180, so feel bad for you. Some people are just born without a prayer I guess.
Too bad they did the test when I was 12. Forty years later, I only have half a brain left and should be without one completely by the time I die.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

It's weird. Flexing's posts are being ignored, but Vexer's aren't. Just another name to add to my list.

reply from: scopia19822

"I gave up debating the issue here. It was pointless.
Instead I post to defend homosexuals and transsexuals.
If you crazy fundies could leave gay and trans people alone and stop trying to defend your bigotry with Biblical bullcrap every 5 minutes, I wouldn't have anything to post about and if you could STFU about religion, I wouldn't have to comment on that either. "
My religion is is my moral compass vex, it shapes my worldview and my stance on the issue of abortion at hand. It is also the same for other posters on this board. Freedom of speech and religion vex, which you seem to think apply only to you. If religion or talk of it bothers you so much than ignore it and dont respond, unless you have some sort of compulsion to so so. Personally I think you get off. I have a pretty high tolerance for alot of crap, but you are about as intolerable as they come. OK so you have both XX and XY chromosomes so you can pick I guess, although one gender is more dominate than the other in some cases. You seem to have major issues with it and I hope and pray that you are getting the help you need. You are so full of hate and bitterness, its pathetic.. I pity you , really pity you. If you cannot take it than dont dish it out.
Everybody, I think from this point on we should ignore Vex and not respond to Vex's posts. Vex is here for attention and maybe it we dont give the attention Vex seeks, Vex we can hope will go away.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Seriously? Get real.
Posting after being unfairly banned is perfectly acceptable behaviour. Consider it a 'protest' against your inconceivably biased 'moderating'.
After all the garbage heaped on me on here for being trans, I find it ridiculously hypocritical to ban ME for 'personal attacks'.
How many threads did I start about other people's personal issues?
None.
How many threads were started specifically about me and my being trans? At least two at last count.
I reported such threads and posts personally attacking me over an issue that has NOTHING to do with abortion, but you just sat there smiling.
YOU are the one with problems; pretending to be the 'fair' and 'just' admin.
The scary thing is that you seem to have actually managed to fool yourself.
Which I think is a sign that YOU are the one who needs help.
Go talk to someone.
I see a counselor every week; my mental health is consequently rather excellent - since I talk through and resolve any outstanding issues I might think I need to address.
You, on the other hand, are a 70year old pile of f**ked up baggage.
This forum is a big part of Vexing/Vexer's life. It provides a huge release for that person. If this person had not been using so many profanities, obscenities, and other personal attacks, maybe this person could have been permitted to hang around. I know this will be a big loss for that person.
Prochoicers can disagree and state their positions, but the goal seemed to be to create consternation by being as foul as possible. But if that is the nature of the person, I guess it's just going to come out.
I wish you the best vexing/vexer and pray for your personal happiness and success. I believe that personal happiness and success only comes from discovering the Creator. Following His recommended Way, his counsel, leads to peace, happiness and success.
May we hope that no one perishes, but that all find everlasting abundant joyful life.
Peace to you vexing/vexer.

reply from: Draiocht

My god, what hypocrites you are. A lot of the "prolifers" on here have launched personal insults and even threats of bodily harm that have been ten times worse than anything Vexing ever said. *****ing Nazis. You promote terrorism, bigotry and the enslavement and rape of the female gender but you DARE to get your *****-stained panties in a wad when someone gives you a little bit of your own acidic poison. I can't stop laughing at the irony! You woman-hating homophobic rape advocates are a real piece of work.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

This website is called Pro-Life America. Vexing refused to ever stay on topic; everything always ended up being about her. She openly stated that her business on this forum was GLBTA rights. I am for GLBTA rights; I have many GLBTA friends. I even have inter-sexed friends, one in particular who was born with an underdeveloped penis, was raised as a girl, and changed over to living as a male in highschool/college. I'm extremely offended that you continue to lump all pro-lifers together. Anyone who supports minority rights should be smart enough to realise that stereotypes cause more pain than the truth. Vexing, despite her status as a minority, failed to realise this, or thought it didn't count when it came to everyone except herself.
Vexing was banned because she wasn't on topic, ever. If you're not going to discuss abortion here, then you're not welcome. Sure, asides are welcome. But Vexing openly stated that she had no opinion on abortion. All she did therefore, was insult people's religions. That's pretty much all I saw from her in the last days. That's not the subject of this forum. This is not ChristianAmerica.com or even AntiChristianAmerica.com. At least there her attacks would be on-subject. This is also not GLBTAmerica.com. It is ProLifeAmerica.com, and the main subject is and always will be abortion.
Two wrongs don't make a right, Draiocht. I learned abut being pro-life from people with kind hearts, much different from some of the more vocal people on these forums. If you find some people on here offensive to the point where you can't post without lashing out at them, just put them on ignore. My goal is to control myself; not others. I can't control others.
If you want to listen and learn, then do so. But coming here with the mindset of pissing us all off and forcing us to accept your viewpoint is senseless. Talk, discuss things with us, ask about our views. Goodness knows that even amongst ourselves we argue! I don't think a single one of us all share exactly the same views on what being pro-life is, on what steps our country should take to become more pro-life, or even how religion relates to all of this. We are a diverse group of people, and most of us are still on a journey of learning. You can join us - and that doesn't mean become pro-life, it just means learn with us. Or, you can sit in the mud and throw stones at us. That's the point Vexing had gotten to; and I don't know and can't begin to imagine how that fall took place.
We aren't wonderful people all the time. Some people on here ARE horrible people and I am ashamed they call themselves pro-life. But I can't control them or what they call themselves. I am not a terrorist, a bigot, a rapist, a woman-hater or a hypocrite. I have never threatened anyone with bodily harm. If you would read any of my posts you would see me arguing with the extremists on this forum. But instead you just lump us all together...

reply from: Draiocht

Actually Liberal Chi Ro, you aren't amongst the group I consider total cow dung. You're reasonable and thoughtful and you're willing to compromise for the health of women. Therefore, I don't consider you to be one of the sickos that get off on the thought of female suffering and death. I'm just so baffled that they're banning Vexing after allowing sexist jerks like Faithman to call every single prochoice (and even prolife) woman nasty names. If they'll allow a prolifer to be abusive and hateful they certainly don't have room to complain about a prochoicer doing the same bloody thing. I think they just can't take the filth they like to dish out.

reply from: sarah4president

It was very tricky of you to start another account. It must take mad skills to do that.
But why would you want to break down the doors to be here?

reply from: churchmouse

That is horrible, just horrible to say this. Your heart is hardened to say this to her.
You are defending here a person who make fun of someones mental "difficulties? That says a lot about you doesnt it?
To use the C word on here is outrageous. If someone needs serious help this is not the place to be anyway.
Vexing went way past that and you know it. Vexing was here just to bash pro-lifers and Christians. When did vexing ever seriously get into any discussion over any issue?
I quote from scripture, is that illegal or against the rules here? I do not swear and you know it. Using the term pro-abort is reality and can be used in any pro-life discussion to make points. Beliefnet does not allow it and will ban people simply for using the term even in a posted link or article. This site allows free speech which is commendable.
Funny you do not give examples of name-calling and profanity from the pro-abort group....why? I get bashed for using the word vile.....and Liberal can use moron left and right and she says that is not a name. LOL
You show exacty in your statement why you are dangerous and why you were banned.
River and I have gone at it for months. We agree on nothing......but for you to even insinuate that she is mentally off is a laugh. She talks circles around you. You came here not because of the unborn, she is a pro-abort but at least talks about the subject of the forum.....You told me in one of your harrassing Pms that you did not care about the unborn child in the womb. You are here simply to harrass.
It's never pointless to agrue about the personhood of the unborn. But then you don't think they deserve anyway.
Is this a forum about trans people?
And vexing why cant they ban you again?
Again your a vile person. I have never ever heard a woman talk like you do. I rest my case.
And why are you here? You pro-slaughtering the unborn child too? Rape of the female gender? Pleaze. Abortion is murder, premeditated murder. No one has the right to kill to solve any problem.
And gee......we are supposed to tolerate your position......and you dont have to tolerate the pro-life position?
Let me tell you something toots. I NEVER REPORTED YOU NOT ONCE. NOT ONCE EVEN WHEN YOU TOLD ME TO TAKE A RUSTY PIPE AND INJURE MYSELF.
I HAVE NEVER REPORTED ANYONE. NOT ONE. So think what you want I dont care....whoever did.......I say thanks.
You say this forum is not a big part of your life? LMAO
Yea right.....you are on here all the time posting.
You are just sick vexing, sick. You threaten and you invade people even if they ask you to stop. I asked you to stop Pming me with your harrassing posts and you continued. I wish i could take credit for reporting you, but I didnt. You dont care about the unborn, you dont care about anyone but yourself, that much is evident.
You dont ask anything difficult, but you ask the same thing over and over and when someone doesnt fall hook, line and sinker for what you are saying you go nuts. You are a pathetic person not because of your sexuality because your personality is horrible. I even in respect for your so - called sexuality stopped calling you a she. You didnt care.....you kept calling me names and verbally attacking me about what bathroom a big hairy man should use. I asked you to stop, you did not.
Liberal says she is pro-choice right Liberal? She is against abortion unless its for the health of the mother. AM I RIGHT LIBERAL? So she goes against what you say as far as compromising. There is no compromise with abortion. You either want protection for the unborn or you dont. So in your assessment of ehr position, you got it wrong.
Or have you changed your mind Liberal....are you still agaisnt abortion?

reply from: churchmouse

And you say your not dangerous.........yea right.
I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THE RAGE YOU WOULD SHOW TO ANY OF US IN PERSON.
Thanks for the internet.
Or can you find us at home to harrass us there too vexing?

reply from: cracrat

Angry yes, dangerous no. I'd happily go for a beer or three with Vexing, perfectly confident in the knowledge that I'd return home unharmed. The difference is in how we have each approached her. I have accepted her and the personal details she has shared as being just the way she is, not my place to judge, not my place to criticise (if indeed I felt them worthy of criticism, which I don't). You and the rest of your Bible thumping crew on the other hand have decided that what Vexing really needs is to be shown the error of her ways, be left in no doubt what you and your God think of her choices and be assured of the horrors you believe await her in the afterlife.
Is it really all that surprising that she comes across all hostile to you lot and not so much to the rest of us?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

It is their perogative though. I've been unfairly banned from forums as well, for doing MUCH less than Vexing has done. I think the thing that bothered me most was her inability to stay on topic. Yes, there are a lot of sickos on this forum, but the only thing they have going for them is that they talk about aborton consistently.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

No, you're wrong on both counts. I am pro-life, not pro-choice. I am also not for abortion for the health of the mother; only the LIFE of the mother. As you should know, there is quite a distinction between the two.

reply from: churchmouse

Not me sorry.
You forget about how Vexing started this whole conflict back in the "Schoolboys in Colorado must be allowed to shower with school girls" thread.
Not to accepting of people that challenged his position. I stood my ground but I was not mean or threatening whatsoever. Was vexing nice, tolerant of those people who dissagreed with vexings position? He went after me with a vengeance.
Vexing bashes Christians. He mocks, makes fun of and bashes our faith and does it with happiness and with great enthusiasm. The reason you dont see this or care is because you agree with his reliigous position. So to you, vexing does nothing wrong. Its not the fact that Vexing questions our faith, vexing has every right, I welcome that but its the fact that when vexing does it, he demeans people because of their faith. LIke in the next post vexing makes....he says this, "magical sky daddy." If vexing expects people to take vexing seriously and respect vexings position then he needs to stop coming across the way vexing does.
Why wouldn't any Christian be defensive over something they love, especially their Lord and Savior? Even though I do not believe in Allah or Muhammed, I would never make jokes and demean him in front of a Muslim out of repect for them.
Vexing should just accept how many Christians feel about God and Christ in relation to this topic and move on. Vexing won't, and is out for blood. Look at Vexing language the past day since he was banned. Do you think vexing cares? He mocks God, mocks and taunts the owner of this site.....and those on here that repect authority and the decisions made by the owner. VEXING DOES NOT CARE AND WILL GO TO ANY LENGTHS TO MAKE THAT KNOWN.
Granted people on here fight and argue and mild profanities around ONCE IN A WHILE but for the most part people agree to disagree. Not with vexing. To use the C word.....to mock someones mental state, is horrendous.
Vexing is the INTOLERANT ONE HERE. You say things to get a rise out of Christians as well. "Bible-thumping" crowd?

Well thank gosh that is an impossiblity. But I will say this.....I do not hate you, I feel sorry for you. You dont make me sick, you make me sad. I think like many here have pointed out you have anger management issues. That in my opinion is much worse than any sexual issues you have going on in your life. Since they banned you, you have come back and done nothing but swear and call people names. And they have tolerated your vile mouth with much restraint.
If you think I am repulsive, so be it, I dont care. I have told you that time and time again, but you wont let up.
I was put on probation for simply using the term, pro-abortion. So I know what that feels like. You are right however about vexing even wanting to get in any discussion, it did not happen.
And I cant think of one sicko on here that i am debating against. Sure people have their opinions and sometimes those opinions come off harshly.....but sickos? I don't agree. There are people who I dissagree with that are doing great stuff in the pro-life movement. Their actions should be commended. That does not mean I think they are sick.
WEll thanks for clearing that up, I was confused at one point a to what your beliefs were on this.

reply from: scopia19822

"Not me sorry.
You forget about how Vexing started this whole conflict back in the "Schoolboys in Colorado must be allowed to shower with school girls" thread.
Not to accepting of people that challenged his position. I stood my ground but I was not mean or threatening whatsoever. Was vexing nice, tolerant of those people who dissagreed with vexings position? He went after me with a vengeance. "
I have to agree with you 100% on this CM. You are the only one I have seen on here that has referred to Vex as a he. Some people would refer to Vex as an "it", but nobody on here that I can see has done that. I dont want men being able to use a multi stall public toilet. I do confess to taking my son in the ladies room when we have been out in public, but most women understand the difference between a little 3 or 4 year old boy and a grown man, no matter what he thinks he may be. But I dont take my son who is now 5 into the ladies room, unless I have no alternative.

reply from: scopia19822

"I simply stood up for my rights and the rights of other trans people. "
This is the wrong forum to be shoving your gender identity issues down the throat of other people. There are forums for people like you. If you actually debated on the issue of abortion most of the time on this forum, than maybe some of us would actually care about your gender issues.

reply from: scopia19822

Too bad
Maybe GL4U2L shouldn't have brought the issue up in the first place and concentrated on abortion.
Too bad that you are confused and insecure about what gender you are. You are either "woman trapped in a mans body" or you are intersexed, hence would have a case for gender reassignment surgery. If you are just man who wants to be a woman, get some help and accept that you are what you are. If you are truly intersexed, then I am sorry about that, but you are handling it the wrong way.Y

reply from: Rhiannontex

You still haven't answered this question:
If transwomen should use the male toilets, then should transmen use the female toilets?
This has WHAT to do with abortion?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Church: No problem with clearing up my feelings on abortion, I know I've changed them a lot since I got here. Next... I consider someone who feels any/all women should be forced to die in childbirth as opposed to having an abortion if it's the only solution to be a sicko.

reply from: 4given

What exactly are you talking about?! Anyone "forced to die in childbirth" would be due to their SO or Dr... right. How is one "forced to die in childbirth"?

reply from: carolemarie

Several prolifers have stated on this board that a woman's life is not reason enough to allow abortion. I believe GL4U2L is one of the cuprits.
Several women acted like that is what a good woman should do.
That is pro-fetus, not prolife, because in a prolife world, women matter as much as the baby they are carrying.

reply from: 4given

"forced to die in childbirth as opposed to having an abortion.."
When would that be the case? Outside of tubal ectopic. (other ectopic pregnancies have survived and been delived healthy) Forced to die in childbirth?!

reply from: carolemarie

It was a post started by Christian Lott who claimed even if his wife wanted to live, he would tell the Dr. to save the baby....
he tried to get out of it later by claiming that is what she would want, but that wasn't what he posted.
I don't know what medical condition it would entail. All this is hypothical not a specific case...
How about if you have cancer and need chemo but you are pregnant and the chemo will kill the baby? I say you can have the treatment, but plenty of Profetus people would say you couldn't

reply from: 4given

Babies have survived their parent's chemotherapy. Using terms like "profetus" may lead others to believe you are "pro-choice". It is intended to be a disrespectful term and usually done so to discredit the intentions of another. I suppose it would depend on the individual. (chemotherapy) I am sure it would not be recommended unless the cancer was in an advanced stage, right?

reply from: carolemarie

There are those in the prolife movement who only care about the baby. They are not prolife, even though they oppose abortion. They make the rest of us look like nut cases.
Those who are prochoice only care about the woman and those who are profetus only care about the baby. Prolifers care about both of them

reply from: carolemarie

I am not sure, you can check with Lukes mom, but pregnancy can make the cancer grow quicker

reply from: scopia19822

You still haven't answered this question:
If transwomen should use the male toilets, then should transmen use the female toilets?
Very simple Vex if you have a penis, you go into the mens room. If you have a Vajayjay ( a term my son learned at school) you use the women's room. If you are born with both, I guess that it would be your call.

reply from: scopia19822

I cannot speak for others, but for myself I would follow the example of St. Gianna Molla.

reply from: scopia19822

You still haven't answered this question:
If transwomen should use the male toilets, then should transmen use the female toilets?
Very simple Vex if you have a penis, you go into the mens room. If you have a Vajayjay ( a term my son learned at school) you use the women's room. If you are born with both, I guess that it would be your call.
So how do you tell the transmen using your bathroom from biological men that might want to use your bathroom?
The adams apple is usually a dead give away.

reply from: Rhiannontex

Speaking strictly for myself, if I ever get cancer I'll undergo surgery to try and have it removed, but I will NOT EVER have chemo. I've seen several people suffer through it and frankly I'd rather just let the cancer run its course and go.

reply from: MrBig

Vexer are you a hermaphrodite? Why do you care so much which toilet these people think you should use and why don't you just use the one you want and if nobody knows then whats the big deal?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Babies have survived their parent's chemotherapy. Using terms like "profetus" may lead others to believe you are "pro-choice". It is intended to be a disrespectful term and usually done so to discredit the intentions of another. I suppose it would depend on the individual. (chemotherapy) I am sure it would not be recommended unless the cancer was in an advanced stage, right?
Pro abortion is meant to be insulting too, which is why I only use it to describe the extremist pro-choicers.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

What exactly are you talking about?! Anyone "forced to die in childbirth" would be due to their SO or Dr... right. How is one "forced to die in childbirth"?
Thw word childbirth was simply used to imply "up to and during the time of birth". There are some pro-fetus people on this board who would refuse a woman an abortion to save her life during the pregnancy, even if it was the ONLY solution. And yes, I have actually met pro-fetus people who are against ectopic removals, too.

reply from: churchmouse

No one should be forced to die, that is another topic altogether.
We are fighting over something that just rarely ever happens. Both lives usually can be saved. If a mothers life is in danger they can induce and then its in Gods hands. No dismemberment has to take place.
In an abortion the doctor does not induce and then just stand there and wait until the baby comes out, hopefully dead. They specifically go in and kill.
Are you saying a woman that would choose to let her child live and die herself is wrong?
What your basically saying is the if a woman has lifethreatening issues......that its ok to go in and dismember the unborn alive. Right?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Dismember? No. Remove the cause of the danger (which can be pregnancy)? Yes. I've already spoken about the fact that I feel late term abortion is unnecessary. But late-term removal may still be needed. And there are people on these forums who would deny the woman the right to even REMOVE the unborn to save the woman's life.
And just to clear it up: if, for some strange and wild reason, dismembering the unborn was the only way to save the woman's life, I would be ok with that. And there are certainly people on here who are against that.

reply from: scopia19822

I dont think many people here know or understand what Vexer is. But Vexer wants to shove "her" gender idenity issues down the throat of others. Sickening really.

reply from: 4given

Anyone that is pro-choice supports abortion, so why would pro-abortion be insulting? I suppose I see how "pro-fetus" is intended. The pro-lifers I know do beyond what any other "choicer" does to support and contribute to the needs of the woman and child(ren) in question. How many pro-abortion/choicers actually contribute to the well-being of any woman that does not abort her child? Specifically, how many women did you help prior or post abortion or childbirth? If any, how?

reply from: 4given

I am sure you have evidence of that also. Specifically" There are some pro-fetus people on this board who would refuse a woman an abortion to save her life during the pregnancy, even if it was the ONLY solution. " Links.
Refuse an abortion, huh? When is abortion is not the ONLY solution.

reply from: carolemarie

GL4U2L is one and I think Christian Lott. That whole discussion on he would tell the Dr. to save the baby even if his wife wanted to live.

reply from: 4given

What? Remove via c-section? What are you talking about? Stop playing games. No one has said any such thing. Regardless of how recklessly you interpret value in human life, your pro-choice/abort rantings don't fit into anything I have encountered.
Stop calling yourself pro-life! When would dismemberment be "ok" with you? Under what circumstances?

reply from: scopia19822

"Anyone that is pro-choice supports abortion, so why would pro-abortion be insulting? I suppose I see how "pro-fetus" is intended. The pro-lifers I know do beyond what any other "choicer" does to support and contribute to the needs of the woman and child(ren) in question. How many pro-abortion/choicers actually contribute to the well-being of any woman that does not abort her child? Specifically, how many women did you help prior or post abortion or childbirth? If any, how?"
Well said 4given. You hear the proaborts going on about "choice" yet it seems few of them want to put their money where thier mouth is with providing them with housing, medical care, maternity clothing and the numerous items they will need for their babies after birth. All of this is done free of charge for these women, yet abortions cost money, plenty of money. Very simple their is no profit in choosing alternatives to abortion.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

What? Remove via c-section? What are you talking about? Stop playing games. No one has said any such thing.
Really? Then you haven't been reading very much. There are people here who feel any action that endangers the unborn should be against the law. A premature birth would NOT be the best solution for the baby, even if it saves the mother's life. And I bet there are more people out there who feel the exact same way. I consider them pro-fetus and anti-woman.
I am not pro-choice so I have no idea what you're talking about.
Stop calling yourself pro-life! When would dismemberment be "ok" with you? Under what circumstances?
If the mother was absolutely for sure going to die. Just like I said above. Did you not read what I wrote? As I said, I cannot imagine a single situation late-term where dismemberment would be the only option to save her life, but if it was, I would be ok with it.
I'm pro-woman at the base of it all, and that's how I approach being pro-life, too. I feel women abort because they think they have no other choice; or because they are deathly afraid of the other choice. I know I was. I want to help those women realise the don't have to be afraid.
You can rant about the unborn all day long, but the fact is that the woman is the person on whom almost all blame and responsibility is being laid, and it's a heavy burden to bear alone. You call them murderers and sluts and loose and killers and horrible people... the list goes on. I call her a woman. A girl, a frightened young female. I see HER, not just the baby inside of her.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I am sure you have evidence of that also. Specifically" There are some pro-fetus people on this board who would refuse a woman an abortion to save her life during the pregnancy, even if it was the ONLY solution. " Links.
Refuse an abortion, huh? When is abortion is not the ONLY solution.
Like Carole said, there was a gigantic discussion about this in which almost all of the pro-lifers on here called the offender anti-woman and anti-life because he would kill his wife against her wishes to save his child. He later changed his tune. First he said "I asked her and she said she would want to live," but that he would let her die anyway, and then he changed it and said "No, she said she'd want the baby to live" just so he wouldn't sound so sick. But the bottom line he did say was that, in such a situation, he would not be able to make the choice between the child and his wife; and he would "let nature take its course", even if that meant the death of his wife. I consider death through inaction to be murder, such as letting someone drown when you could save them.

reply from: JRH

Your position is silly. People are responsible for the choices they make in life. Just because someone is scared of other options or feels trapped does not in any way excuse their behavior. Hitler, Mao, and Pol Pot may have felt trapped and felt that had no other choice. It doesn't matter. If abortion is murder the woman is hiring a hitman . Pure and simple.
Second, woman get abortions for a lot of reasons. Many are not afraid and just don't want to have a baby.

reply from: CharlesD

I've said this before, but I guess it bears repeating. If, and I say if because those cases are pretty darn rare, a pregnancy is endangering the life of the mother and the only way to save her life is the removal of the child, then by all means remove the child, but remove him/her alive and then make every effort to save the life of the child and the mother. If at that point the child dies, at least you did not take a specific action to kill him/her. I think that is the most ethical way to approach that scenario. If the baby not being there any longer is what will save the mother's life, then so be it, but that doesn't mean that the baby has to necessarily end up dead.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

But my point is, what if the child can't be removed whole/alive (for what ever reason)? Would you be ok with killing it, or would you let the woman die?

reply from: BossMomma

I dont think many people here know or understand what Vexer is. But Vexer wants to shove "her" gender idenity issues down the throat of others. Sickening really.
Vexer is intersex, born with both male and female genetalia and more testosterone than is normal in a female. She is going through hormone therapy for a sex change and frankly I think she is angry at god for her condition, she claims not to believe in him but has an unreasonable rage against him.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I realised I was just denying God's existence (vehemently, but not as mean as Vex) because I was disappointing him...

reply from: BossMomma

I don't consider myself christian or even religious but rather spiritual. I put some stock in all faiths as they benefit those who believe. If Vexing is non-religious that is fine too, but she has no right to take a proverbial dump on the beliefs of others.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I don't consider myself christian or even religious but rather spiritual. I put some stock in all faiths as they benefit those who believe. If Vexing is non-religious that is fine too, but she has no right to take a proverbial dump on the beliefs of others.
Exactly BossMomma.

reply from: Cecilia

Your position is silly. People are responsible for the choices they make in life. Just because someone is scared of other options or feels trapped does not in any way excuse their behavior. Hitler, Mao, and Pol Pot may have felt trapped and felt that had no other choice. It doesn't matter. If abortion is murder the woman is hiring a hitman . Pure and simple.
Second, woman get abortions for a lot of reasons. Many are not afraid and just don't want to have a baby.
I just read that post and wanted tos ay I completely agree with you JRH. Ithink alot of women on this forum claim coercement and blame others for their choice which they do not take responsibility for.
It is annoying to me because I had a terrible abusive marriage and was pregnant, under threats I had abortion. But I take responsibility; it was my choice.
I also don't think that because I lived through that choice that other women should not be able to make the same choice.
Liberal sometimes women abort because they don't want to be pregnant. Not because they feel they have no other choice or they are afraid to be pregnant.
You "feel" this one way, but I actually know another. And you have been on this forum it looks like long enough to know better too. Don't start thinking all is one way when it isn't and you have seen enough to know it.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

I haven't been on much recently. What did she do? I've pissed off plenty of people here and I've never been banned.

reply from: BossMomma

She went on a rampage pretty much insulting everyone and basically being a deplorable little git.

reply from: yoda

How many aliases do you have here, vexing?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

For some strange reason I like the add-on to your signature in bold, Yoda.

reply from: KaylieBee

And it's all because you hate this 'God', isn't it V bb?
Hugs for you.

reply from: KaylieBee

Vex, darling, I really want to talk to you off site, away from all the drama. 3=
I really do have a lot of respect for you.

reply from: churchmouse

See there ya go.........no respect for others and you demand to get it for yourself.
Believe me if you didn't get on here no one would discuss your situation I can promise you that. And ever since you were banned....your mouth is more horrendous and you seem to get even a bigger kick out of bashing people.
You are just a mean person.
kaylie said,
GREAT IDEA........SEE YOU GUYS IN A FEW YEARS. lol
A great pair..........

reply from: LolitaOlivia

Sure I did; right after I became president of the Multiverse.
Then I ate cake and drank gingerale.
I'm sorry you're sore that you weren't invited to the party
What did you do to set them off, Vex? I've been pissing them off for like a year now and I'm still allowed on the forums.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

It was mostly the constantly being off topic and the constant insult to Christianity imo. Like, she seriously wouldn't stop, ever.

reply from: yoda

The iggy button works wonders...... I can add a new name to it as fast as a troll can create a new identity.

reply from: yoda

It's really quite frustrating not to be able to find all the minimum qualities you want in a single candidate..... but that's the reality of the situation this year. I think just about everyone realizes we need major change, but I don't think electing a complete political novice with no record is a wise thing to do, even now.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

That's a really mature thing to say, Yoda. And very open minded. If people could discuss politics like that, I'd be so much more into it.

reply from: yoda

Yeah, I've got that "mature" thing down, after 65 years........ well.... "old" thing, maybe?

reply from: churchmouse

It's a saying vexing......obviously went way over your head. In fact your mouth I am sure is worse. Its obviously a part of who you are, really adds to the femininity doesnt it? Sad.
LOL Now where did I mention genitals vexing? LOL
You are so sad.

reply from: yoda

Try the iggy button..... you'll like it, and I won't be reading her crap second hand.......

reply from: ProInformed

Mark - I have a suggestion/request.
While I understand the usefulness of having a forum that allows pro-aborts to participate and avoids the use of censorship, I also strongly beleive that pro-lifers need to have someplace, at least one place, where we can post ideas, educational info, and support to each other minus the constant assault of abortion industry defenders.
Perhaps if the so-called 'pro-choice' sites online allowed pro-lifers to post uncensored and unharrassed, the need for a pro-life only message board would be lessened... but of course we know the 'pro-choice' websites will never allow that.
I am not necessarily suggesting that choicists be banned from this message board. I do acknowledge that this message board serves a unique purpose in that pro-lifers are not banned or censored. But since choicists already have SO MANY places online where they can post AND where they can attack pro-life posters, and pro-lifers really have NOWHERE they can post online without being attacked by pro-aborts, the greater need is a place pro-lifers can post in privacy and peace.
There are ways a separate message board can be set up for the pro-lifers only.
I don't know too much personally about how that is done but I know of an example of it being done. When hostile trolls infiltrated a message board I used to participate in (regarding another issue - not abortion-related), to the extent that the board moderators couldn't keep up with what has now turned into a very uncivil war over the board's purpose, a private message board was started for those members who wanted a place to go which upheld the board's initial purpose. Admittance to this second message board was by invitation only.
Personally, since I think there is no real problem with pro-aborts being censored, attacked, and banned on internet message boards, the way pro-lifers are, if the resources are not sufficient enough for this site to have both a message board for pro-lifers only and a message board for open debate on abortion, then I would prefer the pro-lifers only forum. Again, I DO see a need for uncensored online debate of abortion where pro-lifers are allowed to expose the truth... but the need for a pro-lifer only forum still exists and as far as I know there is NO PLACE online pro-lifers can go to support each other minus the attacks from pro-aborts.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I wouldn't be prolife if I had not been allowed to post here. I do agree that there could be a private forum that is invite only for those who are pro-life to whatever standards you see fit, but I hope this main board will always remain open. The pro-life voice here is much stronger and freer than it is anywhere else I've seen.

reply from: yoda

I'm sending you a PM.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

There is already an area here for Private Topics. Perhaps you should try it.

reply from: ProInformed

I have a better idea - why don't you try to get even ONE of the oodles of 'pro-choice' message boards online to allow pro-lifers to post the uncensored facts about abortion?
You pro-aborts are nothing but a bunch of ignorant cowards, lashing out hatefully in a desperate attempt to protect your own state of ignorance, allowing your fear of the truth and your devotion to sexual irresponsibility and promiscuity to be exploited by an industry that is laughing at you.
Your 'free sex' lifestyle just killed another few thousand innocent unborn babies yesterday, and the day before that, and the day before that.
But you are so enslaved to so-called 'free sex' and so cowarldy that you don't want to hear about that fact do you? After all those images might interfere with the fun of your next orgasim, right, the only thing you really care about.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

I have a better idea - why don't you try to get even ONE of the oodles of 'pro-choice' message boards online to allow pro-lifers to post the uncensored facts about abortion?
I haven't been able to find any - even "prochoice.com" is a PRO-LIFE WEBSITE.
You pro-aborts are nothing but a bunch of ignorant cowards, lashing out hatefully in a desperate attempt to protect your own state of ignorance, allowing your fear of the truth and your devotion to sexual irresponsibility and promiscuity to be exploited by an industry that is laughing at you.
Dude, you're seriously deluded and this kind of BS posting is not pulling me any closer to your side.
Your 'free sex' lifestyle just killed another few thousand innocent unborn babies yesterday, and the day before that, and the day before that.
"FREE SEX?????" I'm married, middle-aged and postmenopausal. I can't even get pregnant, let alone "kill . . . unborn babies . . . "
But you are so enslaved to so-called 'free sex' and so cowarldy that you don't want to hear about that fact do you? After all those images might interfere with the fun of your next orgasim, right, the only thing you really care about.
See above. Hey, I remember orgasms (I guess that's what he means by "orgasims") - vaguely. They were fun, right??????
I think I'll keep listening to the SANE prolifers here, they make a heckuva lot more sense to me.

reply from: ProInformed

When pro-lifers try to post the truth at pro-abort sites, they don't just put us on ignore.
I refuse to just put the pro-aborts who infiltrate here on ignore, or to retreat to private threads.
Is this or is this not a pro-life message board?
I've seen zero examples of pro-abort sites conceding their site to pro-lifers.
I say we protect this UNIQUE pro-life message board from hostile takeover, and restrict the pro-aborts to only a thread or two for the purpose of honing our debate skills and the opportunity to expose the truth to them minus the pro-abort censorship they coddle themselves with at their sites.

reply from: ProInformed

I understand and agree.
But it is because this pro-life message board is SO unique that I feel it needs to be much more effectively protected from pro-abort trolls.
I will invite more of the pro-lifers, moderates, and undecideds I know to post here but I've witnessed hostile takeovers of online message boards before and typically the trolls succeed in either the message board becoming so filthy and overrun by pro-aborts the host shuts it down or it becomes a haven for the enemy.
I am not opposed to a pro-life hosted message board for debating and learning about abortion. I understand the need and potential effectiveness of that IF it can be protected from hostile infiltration and takeover. The numerous 'pro-choice' message boards online should ALSO be providing the same service IMHO instead of censoring the facts about abortion and attacking or banning any pro-lifers who dare to try to post there... Pro-abort cowardice and censorship reigns everywhere else.
This message board should ban the obvious pro-abort trolls who clearly indicate they have no intention of learning the truth and who are here for the sole purpose of infiltrating and getting the pro-lifers to retreat.
BOTH things are needed:
A strongly defended front where the enemy is engaged but not allowed to take over, and a safe place to regroup, strenghten, and train the pro-life troops.
If your front is being overrun, and you intend to HOLD your territory, you do what you can to limit the enemy's access to your territory. Unfortunately this message board was already for many pro-lifers a retreat, a safe place they could come to instead of engaging with the enemy without being vastly outnumbered
in enemy territory.
Pro-aborts allow no dissension at their sites and never allow enough pro-lifer presence to in the slightest way put their sites at risk of becoming fair and unbiased, let alone being dominated by pro-lifers.
I just think we roll out the welcome mat a tad too far and for way too long sometimes...
And I'm not just being paranoid - I have seen examples of formerly effective, good sites, concerning other issues too, being taken over or shut down because those sites were inadequately protected from trolls.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Well we have the ability to ban. Problem is that some of my nominees are pro-life!
What are we supposed to do about the pro-lifers on here who are acidic?

reply from: Rosalie

You are confusing a sensible set of rules with censorship.
I'm also very amused at your use of the word 'infiltration'.

reply from: Rosalie

I know of two people who have been 'banned' from here - myself and one other.
Both bans came without warning or discussion.
There are no rules or guidelines to posting on this site either.
It's quite ridiculous.
Every other site I've seen issues warnings to users about their behaviour. Repeat offenses earn temporary bans ('Time Out'). Prolonged and excessive behaviour despite multiple warnings and temporary bans lead to permanent bans.
But of course, why would we expect this site to be run in a logical or reasonable manner?
This website is in dire need of a set of rules and a fair moderator to enforce them.
The general consensus here is -- "It is okay for pro-lifers to insult pro-choicers in the most asinine and vile manner as long as pro-choicers do not start treating pro-lifers the same way - because THAT is wrong."
It is absurd that you should be/were banned and I personally am glad that you have found a way to come back here as I enjoy your witty post and refreshing opinions.

reply from: angelface321

i am sorry but if you or anyone else thinks that abortion is ok you all should burn in hell......none of them babies ever asked to be brought into the crappy world we live in but the fact of the matter is if you dont want kids keep you legs closed. when you abort a baby does anyone ever stop and think oh my god it actually is a baby growing inside of me.....its apart of me? NOT to those who commet a sin against god you dont!!!!!!!

reply from: Nulono

God does not exist. Hell does not exist. Abortion is still evil. Religion is still stupid.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I am offended you call any religion stupid. People have a right to have faith. You are being intolerant. You preach for people to save unborn children, yet you don't respect born people.

reply from: lukesmom

Sticking your fingers in a three-phase power socket is stupid, but people have the right to do it.
Doesn't make it any less stupid.
Pot calling the kettle black and I am holding my tongue Vexing. It is very tempting though.

reply from: lukesmom

And that is your opinion. I hold a different opinion. I respect your beliefs or non beliefs and I expect that respect in return regardless of your opinion. Remember that please.

reply from: Rosalie

Why do you start your sentence with badly punctuated "I'm sorry" when you are not sorry, when all you are doing is trying to condemn people because of their different beliefs?
Is it too difficult for you to imagine that people do not have sex for procreation only? That procreation is not, in many cases, the goal of a sexual intercourse?
And it strikes me as incredibly creepy to have a stranger trying to interfere with other people's private sexual matters. Eww.

reply from: ProInformed

So the logical thing to do when person is in distress is push them away and not try to help them? I get offended by homeless people but I still try to help them out. I guess some people just don't care about others.......
Um there aren't ANY 'pro-choice' sites that treat women who are distressed about a past abortion, women who are grieving and maybe even suicidal after learning the TRUTH about what the abortionist did to their baby, are treated with genuine concern.
IMHO Vexing/Vexer/whatever isn't distressed - just another vicious pro-aborrt sociopathical baby-hater.
I see no logical reason for a pro-life message board to allow such an uncivil, closed-minded, troll to remain here.
She obviously has no desire to learn, no desire to participate in civil discussion or debate, and is probably laughing at us pro-lifers for having put up with her presence for this long.
For all we know she could be being paid by the abortion industry to post here.
Pro-abort sites typically don't allow ANY pro-life presence, and certainly don't welcome pro-lifers who dare to post there. Vexing has plenty of other places she can go to spew her ignorance, hatred, and perversions. She probably DOES post at several pro-abort sites and won't exactly feel alone and rejected if we boot her from here. More likely she and her pro-abort cohorts post their plans for trolling pro-life sites at pro-abort sites and then go back there to gloat after each assault on us.
IMHO Vexbot's goal in posting here is to discourage pro-lifers AND to discourage and threaten any lurkers or posters who might be thinking of becoming pro-life. She wants them to see how viciously they will be attacked if they stop defending the abortion industry.
The odds that any of us are going to get Vexcultist to re-examine her POV are practically non-existent. Her mind is snapped shut and locked up behind way too much pro-abort fanaticism to be reached anytime soon. There really isn't anything else we can tell her that we haven't already tried. No matter what we say she will continue to be enslaved to her blind devotion to the abortion industry.
She's getting a sick kick out of mocking our tolerance of her hatred towards us.
By allowing her to remain we are only feeding her INSATIABLE appetite for cruelty and perverseness.
And she is providing a very nasty negative role model for other 'pro-choicers' who arrive here. We should be sending a clear message to the Vexers that we will not allow such closed-minded, cowardly hatred and disrespect to affect the effectiveness and purpose of this pro-life site.
Meanwhile, posters who can be reached get ignored while the black whole vortex of Vex sucks pro-life efforts away into the oblivion of Vex's vast ignorance and hatred.
I say enough already. Send her back from whence she came...

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Wonderful post Pro-Informed!!
People, PLEASE put Vexer on ignore... she was banned for a reason; she brings out the worst in us.

reply from: ProInformed

Without even a warning or reprimand.
Any civilised forum would have the courtesy to give out one of those first.
Civilized forums usually get rid of trolls like you quite quickly and permanently.
You don't belong on a civilized forum and had no intention of behaving in a civil manner here anyway. (A baby killing perve, chastising the pro-lifers who tolerated your presence here for way too long, on civility? way lame)
I am glad to see that you are being banned, and therefore a warning IS being given to any pro-abort trolls who might have been encouraged by what you were getting away with here.
The purpose of this site is not to provide some sort of sick entertainment for pro-abort trolls.

reply from: ProInformed

cracrat -
provide the link to some 'pro-choice' hosted message boards where pro-lifers are allowed to post uncensored and without being attacked...
or shut up with your fake pretense of being in favor of 'tolerance'. LOL

reply from: yoda

I'll second and third that.

reply from: Rhiannontex

I'll second and third that.
Tell me how and I'll be glad to do it.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I'll second and third that.
Tell me how and I'll be glad to do it.
Go to the top of the page. You should see some links, and one is labeled "my forums". Click on that and go all the way to the bottom. You should see an Ignored Users section. There will be a button that says "Add Ignored User". Click on it, and then type their name in. You could also copy/paste their name, though "Vexer" is pretty easy.

reply from: Rhiannontex

I'll second and third that.
Tell me how and I'll be glad to do it.
Go to the top of the page. You should see some links, and one is labeled "my forums". Click on that and go all the way to the bottom. You should see an Ignored Users section. There will be a button that says "Add Ignored User". Click on it, and then type their name in. You could also copy/paste their name, though "Vexer" is pretty easy.
Thanks!

reply from: fetalisa

Pity no one can teach them how to use quotes without creating optical illusions too.

reply from: lukesmom

I'll second and third that.
Tell me how and I'll be glad to do it.
Go to the top of the page. You should see some links, and one is labeled "my forums". Click on that and go all the way to the bottom. You should see an Ignored Users section. There will be a button that says "Add Ignored User". Click on it, and then type their name in. You could also copy/paste their name, though "Vexer" is pretty easy.
Don't forget to add Wannabe behind Vexer's name.

reply from: 4given

And you are a LIAR! Beyond your other obvious issues, dishonesty just helps to glue you to your pro-abort/choice mantra.

reply from: fetalisa

OH LOOK! It's another episode of the "You Are Being Ignored Show.' Next we get to read all of the posts where they mention your username to make sure you are aware you are being ignored!

reply from: LiberalChiRo

And you are a LIAR! Beyond your other obvious issues, dishonesty just helps to glue you to your pro-abort/choice mantra.
How the hell am I a liar?

reply from: whydeath

Unlike other Pro-aborts who visit this site vex is not here for a real debate but only to cause problems.
Her mentality is like a child she says something then someone responds to it and she feeds off of it. If everyone were to put her on ignore or just ignore her comments then she would not get off on this.
I started reading over this post then saw this back and forth nana I changed my IP and people fed into it.
Really there is so much more out there and so many others who need our help it's not worth playing with someone who's goal here is only to cause trouble.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I'll second and third that.
Tell me how and I'll be glad to do it.
Go to the top of the page. You should see some links, and one is labeled "my forums". Click on that and go all the way to the bottom. You should see an Ignored Users section. There will be a button that says "Add Ignored User". Click on it, and then type their name in. You could also copy/paste their name, though "Vexer" is pretty easy.
Don't forget to add Wannabe behind Vexer's name.
? Is Wannabe another alias she has?

reply from: 4given

And you are a LIAR! Beyond your other obvious issues, dishonesty just helps to glue you to your pro-abort/choice mantra.
How the hell am I a liar?
See above. So you stand by that statement- what I allegedly call "them"?

reply from: churchmouse

Well said nancy. Like Sanger and PP he targets the vulnerable because he is an ungodly hater. And time will show his hatred for whites will come out. Black LIBERATION......just like Wright says. He listened too that for oer 20 years.
This country was ready for a black president, but Obama? No way.
You are totally right. He is here to cause trouble.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

And you are a LIAR! Beyond your other obvious issues, dishonesty just helps to glue you to your pro-abort/choice mantra.
How the hell am I a liar?
See above. So you stand by that statement- what I allegedly call "them"?
That post was made nearly a month ago, and the posts of yours that I (think) I was referencing are hopelessly buried. I don't even remember what it was exactly that you said. So lucky for you, any proof I could have is gone and would take way too long to find. But I'm not going to worry about it because I'm sure you'll say the same things again in the future.
Also, I believe the "you" I was using in that sentence was referring to ALL pro-fetusers in general, not just you in particular. But I honestly don't know, because I don't even remember the conversation. I think those were generalities of what I've seen pro-fetusers on this forum say time and time again.

reply from: fetalisa

Those are certainly your personally CHOSEN beliefs, which have nothing at all to do with a woman's right to make a private medical decision over her own body, just as any other competent person is entitled to do.
Abortion has nothing AT ALL to do with babies. It has everything to do with ZEFs - Zygotes/Embryos/Fetuses.
How can a ZEF ask anything? If it is your personally CHOSEN belief that the world is crappy, how could you possibly choose to birth a child or children into the world?
Can you be more specific? I am not sure I am understanding you here.
Why would a woman think that? Abortion effects ZEFs, not babies, as is easily proved scientifically.
Those are certainly your personally CHOSEN beliefs, but none in our society have any obligation AT ALL to live by YOUR personally CHOSEN beliefs.

reply from: 4given

You will never find anything like that because I never said those things. You are dishonest. And the post on this very thread (started on 10/29) was made a week ago. Proof again of your dishonesty.

reply from: Rosalie

Aborting a fetus is. It is a personal, medical decision.

reply from: 4given

You will never find anything like that because I never said those things. You are dishonest. And the post on this very thread (started on 10/29) was made a week ago. Proof again of your dishonesty.

reply from: Cecilia

You will never find anything like that because I never said those things. You are dishonest. And the post on this very thread (started on 10/29) was made a week ago. Proof again of your dishonesty.
Look at how cute the prolifers are lying to each other and name calling like children. Awwww

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I think it's funny since in the post you quoted of me, I don't call him any names at all. But he just keeps dishing it out...

reply from: 4given

Sigh. It isn't about the alleged names, but more about your title. Pity. Stop with the dishonesty and I will hopefully get over the petty. Truly I realize how the faux offend.

reply from: 4given

Tool. At least acknowledge your mistruth or word here. Seriously. *edit* working on the petty and insignificant..

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Sigh. It isn't about the alleged names, but more about your title. Pity. Stop with the dishonesty and I will hopefully get over the petty. Truly I realize how the faux offend.
My title? What do you mean by my "title"?

reply from: Bernie18

wait-i'm confused. how did vexer suddenly post a message on here after the admin.
person got on and said "we regret having to do this..." and made it seem like this
vexer person was gone for good? i've been reading all the posts that vexer has made
and i think they all qualify banning. i've also read the other people's responses to vexer
and have to admit they're not so nice either. Reading from the very beginning, i saw
vexer's first thread (the one asking "how is this murder") and i think it was fine, well put,
although highly debatable. but then things started getting personal and hurtful and
completely off subject.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Her original username was Vexing, but she made a new one, Vexer, and continues to post.

reply from: Banned Member

Yes, yes I do.
Interestingly, MC3's reasoning for banning me in the original post is contradicted by his reasoning in http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=7828&enterthread=y&STARTPAGE=1:
But do you expect consistency from him?
Of course not!
Do you expect hypocrisy and lies from him?
HELL YEAH!

reply from: Shenanigans

I guess what this boils down to is it's his forum and if he wants to ban people that's his perogative.

reply from: Banned Member

For sure; but his reasoning is bullshit, in light of his other statements.
It's fun pointing out his lies and hyprocrisy.

reply from: Shenanigans

Its fun pointing out anyone's hyprocrisy.
It suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure is! Hyuk.

reply from: Banned Member

Its fun pointing out anyone's hyprocrisy.
It suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure is! Hyuk.
Damn right Zeke!
We's likes us a good ole' Hypocrite burning to start the weekend. Yeehaw!

reply from: Shenanigans

Hur hur hur. I wash myself with a rag on a stick.

reply from: TechMage

Hello Mark,
I am new here, and one of the first couple of threads I replied to was Vex's. Usually, I take a good look at a thread before I post, and I ignore japes and jabs made at my expense, but I have a real hard time walking away. I know you don't want to censor anyone. After all, a lot of pro-aborts come to your LifeTalk show after being changed or saved, whichever the case may be. Like you implied, however, this MUST remain a pro-life forum, and you cannot just let it be turned over to off-topic insults and malevolent replies. Although I am not the best Christian when it comes to loving my enemies, people like you can convince me to pray for others.
Before I started hearing about people being changed or saved from guests on your show, there was no place in my heart to forgive pro-aborts. I still avoid talking to pro-aborts, because although I realize now what saves or condemns them comes under God's authority to forgive, not mine, I still have that old serpent that whispers in my other ear telling me just because God forgives doesn't mean I have to like it. I try to ignore that too, but I am hopelessly human.
I like it when you have people on your show that have changed from being pro-abortion to pro-life. Although at first I thought it was absurd, I began to realize that even women who have had abortions are victimized too. The only problem I have is that inevitably I come across someone else who has no remorse or regret, and the process of putting out my fuse starts all over again. It's not always easy, and I almost did not return to these forums after some of what I saw. But, here I am again, and I'm going to try and last here if my emotions let me.
Thanks,
Doug

reply from: 4given

Welcome Tech.. I read this today. "Love is the only force capable of transforming an enemy to a friend." - Martin Luther King Jr. I saw it as my lesson of the day. Happy for all who answer to their calling- wherever they are led. The post-abortive are a strong witness for the unborn and the mom's considering abortion.

reply from: TechMage

Thanks for welcoming me and for sharing those words of wisdom by Martin Luther King Jr.


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