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If there is to be draft registration - Obama says women should be required to register

by: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Obama is a strong believer in equality. He believes men and women are interchangeable and equal. Obama wants his daughters to realize they have the same obiligations to the US government as men do.
If there is to be a draft, women should register. Ultimately, he believes women should also see combat duty; why discriminate?
Does this mean the young 23 year old mother may be told by the government that she has to leave her baby behind and strap on an automatic rifle and head to other parts if needed by her country to shoot holes into the "enemy"?
As a traditionalist, I believe men and women have different roles to fulfill and are not interchangeable. No Johnny, you can't have Fred as your spouse.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77875

reply from: carolemarie

Right women in the USA are not allowed on the front lines of combat. They are still in harms way.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I am all for equalization in the Army AND in the draft. I think it's inherently sexist and completely unfair that I cannot sign up for the draft. I am as willing to serve my country as the next person (maybe moreso, apparently) and to be totally honest, if we entered another world war I would probably go sign up voluntarily. Not all women are as strong as men and that's a fact; but if a woman IS capable of pulling her weight as equal to a male, then she should be allowed to do any job he can do, even on the front lines of combat. Me? Probably not going to happen, but I accept my limitations and simply strive to achieve what I can do with my own body.

reply from: Cecilia

I am all for equality in the armed forces. If women were the top brass, there would probably be less violence.

reply from: KaylieBee

And yet, no objections about that from militant feminists? They don't want that much equality I guess?
I honestly don't see why we shouldn't be allowed to.

reply from: scopia1982

I have no problem with women serving in non combat capacity in the military. They can be nurses, doctors, lawyers, food service workers, even command. I have to find myself agreeing with GL on this. Women and men are equal in the eyes of God and the law, but we were designed with different abilities. Men are more psycologically able to handle the stress and
physical demands of war and combat. It is difficult for men to see their fellow male soldiers get hurt or killed in combat, can you imagine how much worse it would be for them too see a woman?IMHO women have no place in combat and being placed harms way.

reply from: Cecilia

So far except for the abnormality of CP we have the antichoicers against women equality, and prochoicers all for it.
Shocking

reply from: scopia1982

I am not against equality for women. I believe in equal pay, equal education and job opportunities, rights to property, financial independence etc. If a woman wants to join the military fine, but I dont think women should be subjected to the draft or mandated to serve in combat. I value my traditional role as a wife and mother and despite alot of hardships I am experiencing presently, I am proud of it. I belong to a church that does not permit women to serve in the clergy, butin my parish most of our teachers, altar servers, lectors, lay communion ministers are women and dont dare ever tell them they are inferior or oppressed.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

How do you KNOW men are better at handling the psychological effects of war? It's well know women handle stress better than men period, this has been researched. Women also have a higher pain tolerance. Seems to me that WOMEN would make better soldiers than men, according to what research has shown. You're also implying that men are weak-minded and incapable of seeing a woman getting hurt without turning into puddles of tears. You disgrace not only WOMEN but also MEN!
Cecilia: I am pro-life and I am FOR female equality in the military. You can't read or just plain keep forgetting that I'm pro-life.

reply from: scopia1982

If I was a man you would correct, but I am a woman. How can a woman be sexist toward other women?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Women can be sexist pigs too. You most certainly can be sexist towards your own gender; it simply means you are enslaving yourself.

reply from: scopia1982

How is being against mandating that women be drafted or mandated to serve in combat sexist? I have a right to my opinion and I am sure that I am not the only woman to express it. I am very traditional in my world view, I believe that it is a mans obligation and responsibility to provide for his family and to protect his family. It is sad that us women who dont embrace the feminist agenda are some how "sexist" and enslaving ourselves. I am hardly enslaved, I run my home and very efficently, giving how hard economic times are. I work the equivilant of 2 full time jobs.

reply from: carolemarie

How is being against mandating that women be drafted or mandated to serve in combat sexist? I have a right to my opinion and I am sure that I am not the only woman to express it. I am very traditional in my world view, I believe that it is a mans obligation and responsibility to provide for his family and to protect his family. It is sad that us women who dont embrace the feminist agenda are some how "sexist" and enslaving ourselves. I am hardly enslaved, I run my home and very efficently, giving how hard economic times are. I work the equivilant of 2 full time jobs.
I work full time, go to school and run a ministry and still run my home. I fail to see how it is the same as two full time jobs....

reply from: carolemarie

Women are physically smaller (generally) and not as good in hand to hand combat, which is why they are not on the front lines.....
In Isreal all men and all women serve in the military ...has worked for them quite well.

reply from: scopia1982

http://blogs.moneycentral.msn.com/smartspending/archive/2008/05/21/report-stay-at-home-moms-are-worth-6-figures-a-year.asp

I just find it sad that the occupation of being a homemaker, once considered a noble occupation is now looked down up with such disdain.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

How is being against mandating that women be drafted or mandated to serve in combat sexist?
Because you are saying women aren't worthy of defending their country. Women have been warriors throughout history in many cultures and done just fine, thanks.

reply from: Cecilia

Women are physically smaller (generally) and not as good in hand to hand combat, which is why they are not on the front lines.....
In Isreal all men and all women serve in the military ...has worked for them quite well.
Sorry Liberal I don't really read what you write because it's so peppered with juvie insults like "you can't read"

reply from: danib

Women are actually better soldiers in some respects; men will surrender, but women in the same situation will fight until their last breath.
I don't know you vexing, but I can agree with this statement. I would fight to the death over certain things.

reply from: Banned Member

Personally, I think women can be equal to men in the military, just as in all other ways to. Granted, it may be the minority that be equals in combat, there certainly are a large number of women that could do it.
But, lets vote for Obama, so we won't be as likely to see another draft happening, women or men. McCain will definitely reinstate it, as going to war with several other countries is at the top of his to do list should he get into office. Personally, if McCain gets elected & conflicts start to rise every where, and they reinstate the draft, my family & I are heading to Canada.

reply from: BossMomma

Honestly, there is a point to the whole men are more capable argument. Men are less emotional, for the most part they are stronger and, more naturally driven to protect with violence. I was in ROTC for 4 years in highschool, when asked if I could kill an enemy soldier I found myself seriously debating that, it's not my nature to kill but to nurture. Now granted some women may be perfectly capable, however, as to being drafted I'd resent it horribly if I were forced to leave my children to fight some politician's war which is what our troops are doing now. It's not sexist for men to want to protect a woman, it's their nature. In just about all aspects of nature it's the male's job to protect and the female's job to nurture the next generation, frankly, I see nothing sexist about that.

reply from: carolemarie

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I just find it sad that the occupation of being a homemaker, once considered a noble occupation is now looked down up with such disdain.
I don't think it is looked down on, until the SAHM's start claiming they love their children more because they are home....or that being home is the same as 2 fulltime jobs, when it isn't the same at all. That is insulting to those who work and do the housewife duties as well.

reply from: carolemarie

Women are actually better soldiers in some respects; men will surrender, but women in the same situation will fight until their last breath.
I can imagine that is true, but they are still smaller and weaker than most men which puts them at a disadvantage...

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Not true. The elite class, Orthodox Jews, who actually run that moral cesspool of a country, are exempted from military duty. The children of the "important" people don't have to fight.
Just a week ago I read or listened to a news item where the Muslim called Israel a cesspool.
Moral cesspool: Are morals important too you? If you are an evolutionist, why? Isn't everything an accident? What does it matter then?
Moral cesspools: Are there nations that are not moral cesspools? Can you point to the "shining cities on a hill", the societies that should be emulated.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Good observation, Cecelia!

reply from: RiverMoonLady

from: http://members.aol.com/warlibrary/draft.htm
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Important excerpts describing those who were eligible for deferment or exemption during the Vietnam War era draft:
"Class I-S:
Student deferred by law until graduation from high school or attainment of age of 20, or until end of his academic year at a college or university.
Class I-W:
Conscientious objector performing civilian work contributing to the maintenance of national health, safety, or interest, or who has completed such work."
"Class II-A:
Occupational deferment (other than agricultural and student).
Class II-C:
Agricultural deferment.
Class II-S:
Student deferment."
"Class III-A:
Extreme hardship deferment, or registrant with a child."
Nobody is going to be dragging women away from their children, especially if our new president has the common sense to END THIS WAR.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Not true. The elite class, Orthodox Jews, who actually run that moral cesspool of a country, are exempted from military duty. The children of the "important" people don't have to fight.
Just a week ago I read or listened to a news item where the Muslim called Israel a cesspool.
Moral cesspool: Are morals important too you? If you are an evolutionist, why? Isn't everything an accident? What does it matter then?
Moral cesspools: Are there nations that are not moral cesspools? Can you point to the "shining cities on a hill", the societies that should be emulated.
Here is what happens to a person in a cesspool. The cesspool influenced him to do what he did:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/fugitives/vc/murders/said_y.htm

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Here's another cesspool dweller (now in Hell) and his buddies:
http://www.paulhillmemorial.com/

reply from: yoda

Why didn't you use the example of a serial killer like Ted Bundy? Paul Hill only killed a couple people, right? Why did you use him instead of Ted Bundy?

reply from: RiverMoonLady

If I went into the list of serial killers, it would be a VERY LONG post. I actually did it for the "Death Penalty" debate on Beliefnet, but you missed it.

reply from: Banned Member

Why did GL use Said instead of the many white, American, "Christian" men & women who have killed their children?

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Andrea Yates, who drown her children, was mad.
The example of Said was used because the cesspool ideology I was referring to was Islam. He murdered his two daughters in an honor killing because they were dating non-Muslims.
There is a 911 recording from one of the girls as they were being shot multiple times in the back of his cab. It is heartwrenching. You can faintly hear the shots as she cries to her dad, "Stop it, stop it!" The girl has a panicked voice as she whimpers into the phone, "My dad killed me."

reply from: RiverMoonLady

"Andrea Yates, who drown her children, was mad. "
Andrea Yates was, indeed, schizophrenic - but that did not stop her husband from keeping her pregnant and giving birth to child after child even AFTER he knew about her mental illness.
He has never been charged with anything.

reply from: yoda

No, why didn't you just JUST ONE example of a serial killer, instead of Paul Hill?
Do you consider him more immoral than a serial killer because he killed a baby killer and his bodyguard?

reply from: yoda

How do you KNOW she was, and how do you know Paul Hill was NOT?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

You're the one who exempted me from your statement, thus providing the original insult to me, so if you're not going to read what I write at least do me the honor of putting me on ignore.

reply from: carolemarie

Not true. The elite class, Orthodox Jews, who actually run that moral cesspool of a country, are exempted from military duty. The children of the "important" people don't have to fight.
No doubt that the rich and important keep their children out, rather like here when we had the draft.

reply from: SusanConstant

The draft is equvialent to pregnancy and war is equivlaent to birth. If you are pregnant you have been drafted, as women risk their lives and shed their blood in defense of the constitution via birth. Sex is always potentially deadly if you are female; placing women on the draft registry then is double jeopardy. As men do not get pregnant sex is not always potentially deadly for them but war is thus they do not suffer double jeopardy. People forget that childbirth can be deadly and still does kill some women. I almost died giving birth. This was argued incorrectly in Rotsker V Goldberg.

reply from: Cecilia

How do you KNOW she was, and how do you know Paul Hill was NOT?
Paul Hill: No history of mental illness
Andrea Yates: Extensive history of mentail illness (no necessarily schizophrenia type).
Hill was probably dx'd personality disorder of some kind.
Jsut so you know.

reply from: yoda

Not saying he was mentally ill, but not having a "history" doesn't exclude you from being mentally ill, just not ever having treatment for your illness.
I think it's obvious he was a very emotionally tortured man, to take such a drastic action and forfeit his own life in the process. That's not necessarily a symptom of mental illness, but at least an indication of a much greater sensitivity to the suffering of others than the average person.

reply from: scopia1982

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The SUPERWOMAN mentality. It work from dawn until way late at night. I do laundry, clean the house, wash dishes ,cook all 3 meals, make sure my son has his homework done, that his is bathed, do I need to go on? Not to mention also taking care of the needs of my disabled husband. In todays world, a woman has to work often out of nessecity. Others do it because they want too. Nothing at all wrong with that and they love their kids just as much as any mom. But those of us who stay home are either seen as enslaved or lazy. That we just sit on the couch all day and watch soap operas is a myth. Being a stay at home mom is a 24/7 neverending job. Read proverbs 31:10-31 and Titus 2:5.

reply from: carolemarie

No, being a mom is a 24/7 job, no matter if you stay home or work. If you work outside the home, you have the additional hours at work and all the work at home as well.

reply from: scopia1982

Yes, do go on. I've looked after 2 children while I was briefly unemployed after leaving the army.
I had plenty of free time during the day. With today's modern appliances (dishwashers, automatic washing machines, dryers, microwaves, garbage disposals, vacuum cleaners, etc, etc, etc) you do only very minimal work.
You can achieve most of your household chores in the morning, then sit on your ass all day while junior has his eyes glued to his 50th viewing of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. If you're organised, meals shouldn't take longer than 45 min to prepare, MAX. Kids should be encouraged to make their own sandwiches at lunch time as well - you can't mollycoddle them their whole lives.
Try being in the army.
Now THAT is a tough job...
My son is only 5 and is just starting to learn how to do small stuff around the house and did I forget to mention that I am also a caretaker to my disabled husband?BTW there is some days that he cannot get out of bed.My son is far from mollycoddled.

reply from: BossMomma

Yes, do go on. I've looked after 2 children while I was briefly unemployed after leaving the army.
I had plenty of free time during the day. With today's modern appliances (dishwashers, automatic washing machines, dryers, microwaves, garbage disposals, vacuum cleaners, etc, etc, etc) you do only very minimal work.
You can achieve most of your household chores in the morning, then sit on your ass all day while junior has his eyes glued to his 50th viewing of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. If you're organised, meals shouldn't take longer than 45 min to prepare, MAX. Kids should be encouraged to make their own sandwiches at lunch time as well - you can't mollycoddle them their whole lives.
Try being in the army.
Now THAT is a tough job...
Baby sitting and parenting are not the same, you sat on your ass and let the TV do your job for you. Good parents bond with their children and support their emotional growth by giving them an activity rich life. In one day I spend up to 4 hours just spending time with the kids, taking them to the park, out for ice cream, to sports (my 6 year old is in T-ball) or taking my 1 year old to baby gym or sign language clinics for babies. That's besides the house work, cooking, church activities that I and my kids now participate in and, running errands. Parenting is hard work, no good parent sits on their ass for the majority of the day with the kids glued to the tube. Furthermore it's not mollycoddling to give your kids the best life you can give them.

reply from: BossMomma

When it's pissing down with rain outside, options become limited.
Would you give a teen a million bucks if you had it?
Humans need hardship to develop. People who have everything given to them on a golden platter are non-people.
Hardship does nothing for human development. Would I give a teen a million dollars? Of course not, a teen doesn't need a million dollars. And as far as your non-people comment some people say the same thing about minorities, women, gays, the transgender and, foreigners. We typically call people with that mind set bigots.

reply from: BossMomma

I wouldn't talk to harshly about peoples personalities as yours has been rather unpalatable. You are stating opinions with very little experience behind them, not facts. Facts show that parents who have an active life style with their children bring up well adjusted kids with good self esteem, more interest in education and, being positive members of society.
Paris Hilton's childhood has been majorily material, her parents bought her whatever she wanted to avoid actually having to play an active role in her life which is the equivilant of using the TV as a baby sitter.

reply from: BossMomma

So one must suffer to be challenged? Challenges can be as minor as my one year old struggling with a new word in sign language yet she benefits mentally once she masters the sign. You still have yet to prove your point, how does neglecting children so that you can sit on your bum for the majority of the day benefit the child?

reply from: BossMomma

Kids should NEVER be allowed to watch DVD's?
The DVD should not be used as a baby sitter. Why can't you defend your erroneous assumption that parenting is a breeze? You're starting to develope a history for opening mouth to insert foot.

reply from: 4given

BossMomma, I am so pleased to read that you do sign language with your infant! I helped my Down Syndrome brother learn sign language as many people struggled to understand him. Then it was the basics. My sons, especially eldest learned to sign and speak his basic needs all just over a year. Truly you will be the source of information as well as guidance for your children. It is so good to hear that you are engaging them in activities that may benefit them, others and encourage bonding. Do you sign? That being said, my sons are into video games. They have limits on the time spent there. Perhaps as your 6 year old grows you will come to appreciate video games, as well as the need to balance everything out, if not already. When the twins are born, you may find home activities are better suitable for you all. At least for a bit. Do you have a support system in place? I don't know a single person that would not be overjoyed to have twins. I also do not know anyone that does not recognize the challenge in that blessing.

reply from: BossMomma

I haven't insulted you, don't insult me because you have no idea what it is to be a parent. You stated that you could sit on your ass while the kids stay glued to the 50th viewing of Harry Potter, that would imply that all the kids did under your care is watch T.V. Now when you are responsible for bringing a child up from infancy to adulthood we'll see how long you get to sit on your ass.

reply from: BossMomma

My son does enjoy video games but being the typical rowdy boy would rather be outside. I do sign and have found that signing helps my daughter develope her verbal speech. I'm a country girl and believe in letting my children experience life outside of technology, we take nature walks, go fishing, go on photo safari's and, play sports.
I don't find sitting in front of the tube for hours at a time to be beneficial to a child's development and, with my son making straight A's in school I find that an active life style makes for more productive citizens in the future. I have a support system among grandparents, aunts and, uncles.
If I need a day of rest someone is always willing to take the kids out and let me sleep in. I may need that support system a bit more once the twins arrive but I know that my children will still be able to enjoy their active life style.

reply from: lukesmom

You're a personal aquantance of Paris'? No matter how you slice it, your statement is an opinion, not a fact. An opinion without merit as I highly doubt you know this person so can't even begin to qualify your opinion.

reply from: lukesmom

Done it. My ex had a baby and a toddler. We did just fine.
The eldest loved watching Harry Potter as a treat, so that was what he got to do if he had been good - which wasn't that often...but rack that up over a few years...it's not even once a week.
So STFU.
I'm not insulting you. I'm telling you that the reason why you would have no free time is that your time-management skills are crap.
If they weren't you'd see things from my perspective.
As I said, there are tons of activities that don't require constant supervision. That gives you PLENTY of free time to do your own thing during the day.
If you're spending 99% of your time with your kid, you're going to damn well smother them and turn them into a needy little git.
OMG! you are way too funny in your judgements! Try 4 kids and see how much "free time" you have. Yup, get beyond baby and toddlerhood and naps... Rainy days were the BEST for little people cooking and games and makebelieve. Forget the boob tube. I very seldom used it. The great outdoors on nice days and indoor imaginitive activities on rainy days. Squeeze in laundry and cleaning when ya can. Sit on your ass? HA! Lazy.

reply from: BossMomma

Done it. My ex had a baby and a toddler. We did just fine.
The eldest loved watching Harry Potter as a treat, so that was what he got to do if he had been good - which wasn't that often...but rack that up over a few years...it's not even once a week.
So STFU.
I'm not insulting you. I'm telling you that the reason why you would have no free time is that your time-management skills are crap.
If they weren't you'd see things from my perspective.
As I said, there are tons of activities that don't require constant supervision. That gives you PLENTY of free time to do your own thing during the day.
If you're spending 99% of your time with your kid, you're going to damn well smother them and turn them into a needy little git.
Right so it's better to turn them into a cold unemotional prick? My children are not smothered, they are simply given a chance to have an active educational life style.

reply from: BossMomma

My favorite times were when my kids were newborns and that first blessed week when all they wanted to do was eat and sleep, I've mastered nursing while laying down so I could put my baby to breast and go right back to sleep. My 1 year old has started walking and she's all over the place now, I'd like to see someone put her in front of a TV for hours. She'd be done with it in five minutes and trying to go explore the kitchen.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

My children will NOT have a lot of TV time; in fact it's going to be in a cabinet and they'll have to ask for it! We have become WAY too attached to technology. I was my kids to grow up more "organic" than that. I'm seeing the results of the technology generation, and it's not good at all. It feels like the majority of parents these days... well, suck! Watching TV does not develop hand-eye skills like drawing, painting, playing simple sports, etc. My favorite thing to do as a kid? It wasn't "watch TV"! It was to play with legos or stuffed animals with my brother.
I had nearly 99% time spent with my parents as a young kid, and obviously that went down once I went to school. But my mom tried always to be there when we came home. I don't believe in latch-key kids. My kids are going to come home, get a snack, and start on their homework - just like I did.

reply from: BossMomma

My favorite times were when my kids were newborns and that first blessed week when all they wanted to do was eat and sleep, I've mastered nursing while laying down so I could put my baby to breast and go right back to sleep. My 1 year old has started walking and she's all over the place now, I'd like to see someone put her in front of a TV for hours. She'd be done with it in five minutes and trying to go explore the kitchen.
Cherish these times. Trust me, the older they get, the cuter they aren't. My eldest daughter's first word was "no."
LOL My son is a character, I was explaining to him one day about different names for male and female animals such as Stallion and mare, hen and roosters etc. When I explained that a male donkey was refered to as a Jack ass and a female was called a Jenny he asked, so a girl donkey is a Jenny Ass? My daughter obviously has a little temper on her as she has started getting time out's for temper tantrums. Kids are funny people, one just needs a good sense of humor.

reply from: BossMomma

Amen to that, when there are commercials on T.V. discouraging parents from letting their kids watch T.V. there is something wrong. Childhood obesity, Juvenile crime and, child deaths are at an all time high because parents are not more involved with their children. It doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes a supportive proactive family unit.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

My favorite times were when my kids were newborns and that first blessed week when all they wanted to do was eat and sleep, I've mastered nursing while laying down so I could put my baby to breast and go right back to sleep. My 1 year old has started walking and she's all over the place now, I'd like to see someone put her in front of a TV for hours. She'd be done with it in five minutes and trying to go explore the kitchen.
Cherish these times. Trust me, the older they get, the cuter they aren't. My eldest daughter's first word was "no."
My younger son's first full sentence (at 12 months) was, "I don't want to go to bed." He meant it, too - I would rock him for over an hour, think he was asleep and gently put him into the crib - and he would pop right up again, ready to play!
The same child, at about 2-1/2, insisted on wearing cowboy boots, a cowboy hat and nothing else (at home, inside) for about 6 months. He spent his time riding one of those "jumping" horses on springs in a frame pretending he was the king of the cowboys. I have photos that he simply cannot look at without blushing and laughing now that he's an adult. He still goes to bed very late
My older son was diagnosed with learning disabilities in kindergarten. I purchased a used computer back in 1987 or so that came with lots of floppy disks with (admittedly primitive) games on them, none of which had any instructions. He was able to figure out how to play the games and it helped to improve his hand/eye coordination and small muscle movements tremendously. But we had the computer BEFORE we even had a TV!
Yes, children are amazing, so do all you can to help them learn how to learn, how to have fun and to be good people.
Sorry for running on like that!

reply from: scopia1982

LOL I would rather see that than a sagging pants.

reply from: BossMomma

Right so it's better to turn them into a cold unemotional prick? My children are not smothered, they are simply given a chance to have an active educational life style.
If you want to make your children wholly dependent on you, that's your perogative.
Don't complain when they are 36 and still living at home though.
Right, so nurturing their development will automatically turn them into a failure to launch. You must truly enjoy showing your ignorance. My children gain their independence at their own pace, currently my six year old's chores consist of feeding his pets (1 cat and 1 tank of fish) making his bed, washing his dishes and picking up his room. All very reasonable chores for a 6 year old.
Each month he is given an allowance of $20 to teach him how to manage money and, currently he has $600 saved, he wants to go to Disney Land this summer and wants to pay for it with his own money. My son is a responsible, respectful, well liked child who knows his mom and dad will always have his back. I don't view that as a bad thing and it's truly odd that you do.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

My sister dyed her long, curly blond hair jet black on her 16th birthday back in the early 80s. My mom darn near had a heart attack, but my brother and I thought it was hysterical because she is the youngest child and was always very obedient.
Now she's 39 and has ever-changing shades of red not found in nature.

reply from: BossMomma

My favorite times were when my kids were newborns and that first blessed week when all they wanted to do was eat and sleep, I've mastered nursing while laying down so I could put my baby to breast and go right back to sleep. My 1 year old has started walking and she's all over the place now, I'd like to see someone put her in front of a TV for hours. She'd be done with it in five minutes and trying to go explore the kitchen.
Cherish these times. Trust me, the older they get, the cuter they aren't. My eldest daughter's first word was "no."
My younger son's first full sentence (at 12 months) was, "I don't want to go to bed." He meant it, too - I would rock him for over an hour, think he was asleep and gently put him into the crib - and he would pop right up again, ready to play!
The same child, at about 2-1/2, insisted on wearing cowboy boots, a cowboy hat and nothing else (at home, inside) for about 6 months. He spent his time riding one of those "jumping" horses on springs in a frame pretending he was the king of the cowboys. I have photos that he simply cannot look at without blushing and laughing now that he's an adult. He still goes to bed very late
My older son was diagnosed with learning disabilities in kindergarten. I purchased a used computer back in 1987 or so that came with lots of floppy disks with (admittedly primitive) games on them, none of which had any instructions. He was able to figure out how to play the games and it helped to improve his hand/eye coordination and small muscle movements tremendously. But we had the computer BEFORE we even had a TV!
Yes, children are amazing, so do all you can to help them learn how to learn, how to have fun and to be good people.
Sorry for running on like that!
Firmness is important, so is a good schedule. My 1 year old is in bed by 9pm and my 6 year old is down by 10pm, they sometimes argue it but I don't negotiate. Computer games are great learning tools, at the age of 4 I bought my son a Winnie the Pooh learning game that taught basic reading, writing and, problem solving. Later I bought him art games like paint by number to let him express his artistic side, he'd finish a picture then we'd print it out and put it on the fridge or in his scrap book. Children are our future, if we don't give them the best start we can in life there's no telling what might happen. Children didn't choose to be born, we chose that for them.

reply from: BossMomma

LOL! My son tried to cut his own hair once with his dad's clipper set and ended up with what looked like a massive comb over, we had to buzz his head.

reply from: BossMomma

My hair at the age of 16 could have been the mascot for the Rainbow Coalition, it's been red, green, blue, purple, black with blue tips, brown with red tips and has been cut in every style from cute pixie cut to butch mohawk. My mother hates my school pictures, especially the one in 11th grade of me grinning and sticking my tongue out between forefinger and middle finger to resemble well...you know. I was a wild child with more than a few issues and some very creative ways of lashing out at my parents.

reply from: BossMomma

So you don't spend 99% of your time with them, like you were making out.
Which is exactly what I was saying: kids need their own time to do their own thing.
WTF are you trying to argue over?
We are agreeing, but you want to turn this into an Interwebz Fight.
I was arguing the opinion that parenting is easy and that it's possible to sit on one's ass for the majority of the day. You stated that it was a breeze compared to being in the army and I disagreed, as have other parents and would be parents. I never stated that I spent 99% of my time with my children, you did. I stated that I devoted my time to them for four hours a day in between running errands, cleaning house and, participating in church functions. That leaves very little time for lazyness. We are not agreeing on anything, we rarely do.

reply from: BossMomma

LOL! My son tried to cut his own hair once with his dad's clipper set and ended up with what looked like a massive comb over, we had to buzz his head.
Mine had the most luxurious, thick, beautiful chestnut hair, down to her butt. She wanted to cut it, and I tried to talk her out of it. The next day, she had whacked it all off in her bedroom, hacked it all to hell. From that point on, I let her do as she pleased. She got rid of the mohawk, and now has a short spiked thing going on. It kills me, since she's so naturally pretty, but what are you going to do? She's only months from being 18.
Yeah, my daughter has adorable chestnut curls, I pray she never gets it in her head to cut them off. With her blue eyes and pudgey cheeks she looks like a little Shirley Temple.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

My hair at the age of 16 could have been the mascot for the Rainbow Coalition, it's been red, green, blue, purple, black with blue tips, brown with red tips and has been cut in every style from cute pixie cut to butch mohawk. My mother hates my school pictures, especially the one in 11th grade of me grinning and sticking my tongue out between forefinger and middle finger to resemble well...you know. I was a wild child with more than a few issues and some very creative ways of lashing out at my parents.
LOL! My parents would have (metaphorically) killed me! I don't think I even would have dared! I had super short hair in 11th grade, almost a buzz cut, but then really long bangs in the front. I put colored "Spikerz" gel in it. I don't know why I thought that looked good... XD
Neither me nor my brother are "failures to launch". I couldn't WAIT to get out of the house!! Yet, like I said, my mother was always there for me. My family did EVERYTHING together.

reply from: scopia1982

At least the alterations to her appearance is not permanant, if she comes home covered in tatoos, good luck.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I'm sure my parents would sympathise greatly.
I went from this: http://www.noobtown.co.nz/gothy.jpg
">http://www.noobtown.co.nz/gothy.jpg
To this: http://www.noobtown.co.nz/basic_training.jpg (top row, 4th from the right)
To this: http://www.noobtown.co.nz/green.jpg
You are a BEAUTIFUL woman! Wow! I love that shirt!

reply from: BossMomma

My hair at the age of 16 could have been the mascot for the Rainbow Coalition, it's been red, green, blue, purple, black with blue tips, brown with red tips and has been cut in every style from cute pixie cut to butch mohawk. My mother hates my school pictures, especially the one in 11th grade of me grinning and sticking my tongue out between forefinger and middle finger to resemble well...you know. I was a wild child with more than a few issues and some very creative ways of lashing out at my parents.
LOL! My parents would have (metaphorically) killed me! I don't think I even would have dared! I had super short hair in 11th grade, almost a buzz cut, but then really long bangs in the front. I put colored "Spikerz" gel in it. I don't know why I thought that looked good... XD
Neither me nor my brother are "failures to launch". I couldn't WAIT to get out of the house!! Yet, like I said, my mother was always there for me. My family did EVERYTHING together.
Your lucky to have had a supportive family, I came from a broken home with an abusive father figure. I went from severe depression to drinking at the age of 17, then my experementing with pot to try to forget my pain. When that was just a temporary fix I sought something more permenant, suicide which is why my wrists are criss crossed with scars.
Then at 18 I left home and lived with a friend who did heroine and cocaine, I never did any of that but I still smoked pot and drank. At 19 I met my husband who was great until I married him, he had the opinion that a husband was master over his wife and sought to beat me into submission, I'm a spitfire by nature and he was surprised to learn that I'll hit back. Four years later I hit his ass with a divorce, he now pays me child support and I lived in a battered women's shelter with my son.
At the age of 25 I started working for TDCJ, got my own place, a tidy little 3 bedroom rent house. I got counciling, meds for anxiety and a bi-polar disorder and met my boyfriend. I'm single again 2 years later true but, my life is a far cry from what it was and I swore that my children would never know the lonelyness, fear and, uncertainty that I knew as a child.

reply from: BossMomma

Without church, you'd have plenty of time to yourself, if you wanted it.
Obviously, I gained back that kind of time, since I don't go to church.
I daresay that my cleaning skills outstrip those of any housewife, in speed and cleanliness. When a corporal gives you 30 minutes to scrub a urinal totally spotless, with your own toothbrush, you manage.
The church function help me add structure to my life, since my boyfriend's betrayal I've tried to keep as busy as possible to keep me from thinking about it. As far as cleaning goes, I like to take my time.

reply from: BossMomma

I don't need church and I clean fast.
These are two factors that allow me leisure time that you don't have.
i.e. we do an equally good job, but I have time to sit on my ass if I want to.
Then enjoy sitting on your ass, but don't sit there and claim that parenting is a snap.

reply from: BossMomma

That's only because you've never been a parent, baby sitting your SO's kids doesn't really count, if you get tired of the kid you can hand him or her off to the real parent. When you've been up every two hours feeding a newborn, working all night then sleeping only when your toddler does, cleaning house, cooking three nutritious meals a day, taking your child to school or educational activities and, being a positive role model to your kids then you can talk about a steaming pile of christmases. Time management has nothing to do with it, parenting is hard work, sacrifice and, very few rewards other than watching your kids thrive. Furthermore there are no do-overs in parenting. You can fail as a soldier and the only one effected is you, if you fail as a parent your children have to deal with the consequences.

reply from: lukesmom

I hear you, I have a 16, 14, 12 (soon to be 13) and 10 yr old. I decided a long time ago, hair is not worth fighting over. It grows back except in my dh's case but that's another story! When my kids were young, I thought I was soooo busy and couldn't wait for them to be more independant. Yes, Vexing, I was with them 24/7 and you would most likely think I "smothered" them. Now I am going nuts trying to keep up with their schedules! They are active, independent teens and preteens and can take care of themselves, when need be, just fine. That's because they had a good base. They are also not overwt and are athletic and active because they weren't allowed to sit in front of the "boob tube" for babysitting so I could sit on my butt.
If you young moms think you are busy now...just wait! But I have to admit, this stage of their lives is just WONDERFUL and I love them and all their teen and preteen friends. I am glad they will be leaving home one at a time so I can adjust slowly.

reply from: lukesmom

Lib, be very careful what you plan because best laid plans often don't happen. It is very, very difficult to raise a family in this economic world. Many women, if not most, would love to be home and not have latchkey kids but most of the time, that isn't possible. Of course no kid under 9 or 10 should be home alone unless they are very responsible and mature. Even so some parents have no choice when it comes down to being home or being able to feed their kids.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Lib, be very careful what you plan because best laid plans often don't happen. It is very, very difficult to raise a family in this economic world. Many women, if not most, would love to be home and not have latchkey kids but most of the time, that isn't possible. Of course no kid under 9 or 10 should be home alone unless they are very responsible and mature. Even so some parents have no choice when it comes down to being home or being able to feed their kids.
I'm at least 5 years from starting a family, plenty of time for the economy to turn around. I have a nearly guaranteed job as a teacher: I will always be needed somewhere.

reply from: BossMomma

What a load of bull.
I challenge you to go do a Basic Training run as they were in 1998, then tell me that parenting is harder.
And no, I couldn't just 'hand him or her off' to the real parent (how *****ing insulting...just because I wasn't the biological parent, I can't be a REAL parent? Listen to yourself! Disgusting!).
As I said; do basic. It's like being in a really nasty prison.
After basic, parenting is a walk in the park - hell, you actually have 5 minutes of your life occasionally that isn't micro-managed to hell.
Believe it.
And there goes vexing crying again, apparently you think you can be as offensive as you like but everyone else has to walk on egg shells to avoid hurting your feelings which you obviously wear on your sleeves. You were never a parent, not even an adopted parent, you had a baby sitter relationship with your SO's kids that I'm pretty sure doesn't exist anymore now that the children's parent and you are no longer together.
I tried to get into the military but health issues prevented it, I'm asthmetic. Basic training lasts approximately 3 months, parenting lasts 18 years, if you're a screw up as a soldier the first time around you can always try again later. If you screw up as a parent your children are the one's who suffer. 3 months of military training is nothing compared to 18 years of responsible parenting, particularly if you are a single working parent with more than one child as I am.

reply from: yoda

OR....... get a hell of a lot worse........

reply from: yoda

Well, I've done both. I spent 2 years in this man's army, as a medic. And I raised a child. The army experience was intense and stressful, but not nearly as demanding, for as long, as raising a child. I think both experiences helped me to grow up quickly, take on responsibility, and become a man. If I had to do one of them over again though, I'd take raising a child anytime. The rewards are much, much greater, and the memories much more pleasant.

reply from: BossMomma

Well, I've done both. I spent 2 years in this man's army, as a medic. And I raised a child. The army experience was intense and stressful, but not nearly as demanding, for as long, as raising a child. I think both experiences helped me to grow up quickly, take on responsibility, and become a man. If I had to do one of them over again though, I'd take raising a child anytime. The rewards are much, much greater, and the memories much more pleasant.
The rewards of parenting are greater I think than training as a soldier, considering that the only wars we have these days are over a politician's greed. My ex-husband served 3 years in the AirForce before an accident sent him home with an honorable discharge. Even he says that parenting is harder because of everything that rides on your success.

reply from: KaylieBee

...She's not a 'mo, is she?

reply from: BossMomma

Yes, it's called adoption. An Adopted parent takes on full and perminant responsibility for the child. You are not an adopted parent, you have no obligation to your ex's children, take no responsibility for them and, do not support them. You are in no way a parent.

reply from: BossMomma

Yes, it's called adoption. An Adopted parent takes on full and perminant responsibility for the child. You are not an adopted parent, you have no obligation to your ex's children, take no responsibility for them and, do not support them. You are in no way a parent.
So my friend Scott, who has been around since his partner's kids were 2 years old and raised them to the age of 18, was not a parent - purely because he never adopted them?
Would you like Scott's phone number so you can ring him up and tell him that?
No he was not the children's parent, he has no right or obligation to said children and while it was good of him to put effort into the children he has no biological or legal role as the children's father. I raised my sister Christin's first kid for nearly 3 years but that doesn't make me the parent of my niece, I have no right or obligation towards my niece, just a good heart. And sure, I'll be happy to explain this to Scott as well if your dumb enough to actually post his number.

reply from: BossMomma

I'm sorry? How could I NOT be responsible for them when they are in my care.
And my money supported that family for a hell of a long time.
So those two statements are bull*****.
P.S. You seem to have enough free time to post on here, hmm?
You were responsible in the same way a day care provider is responsible. What effort are you putting into those kids now? Are you seeing to their health needs? Buying them clothes? Making sure they get a good education? A parent's relationship is not conditional, it doesn't end if things don't work out with your SO.
P.S.
My kids are with Grandma today going to a Fall Festival in town, I'm home with a respiratory infection and amusing myself with your rather pointless argument.

reply from: BossMomma

Wow, you just showed the caliber of your character; saying that a loving parent isn't a parent without a piece of paper.
You might as well say you can't love someone without being married.
No, I just stated facts, sorry if they come as a shock to your little drama whore mind. Loving someone and taking on a legal status are two different things.

reply from: BossMomma

Sorry, I provided all those when I was their caregiver. My entire salary went into those kids and I left the relationship heavily in debt due to this.
I would have loved to stay in touch with the kids, but it would have hurt more than it helped. I'm sure you're smart enough to realise that.
Your kids must sure go away a lot; you made 1211 posts in under 3 months.
I took a year to make just over 3,000.
I average 8.5 posts a day.
You average 15.7 a day!!!
That's almost TWICE the number of my posts!!!!!!
See, you are not a parent, you have nothing further to do with those kids. You were a care taker in the same way a baby sitter is a care taker.
As to my time posting:
Well lets see, my six year old goes to school, my 1 year old takes 2 two hour naps a day then spends a few hours each day with her father who finally fessed up to being a*****head. I find it laughable that you're obsessive enough to look all that up trying to prove the point that doesn't exist. Furthermore I post in between activities with the kids and house work and at night when the kids are asleep and I have about 5 hours to myself before I crash.

reply from: BossMomma

And Scott is clearly a loving, supportive parent.
But you'd say he is not a loving, supportive parent, just to win an internet scrap.
Pathetic.
It's lovely how you use others just for your selfish games.
You are the one who drug him into this, any family court judge would tell him the same thing. It's not emotional rhetoric, it's facts, a parent is either biological or adoptive. If Scott were to one day break it off and have nothing to do with those kids he'd be perfectly within his rights, just as you were when you left your EX.

reply from: BossMomma

So why wasn't I being paid?
Why I was the one paying all that money then?
Look up what? It's right under your user name. All i had to do was divide your posts by your time on here. That's like 6th grade math or something. And I simply glanced below your user icon.
"Look all that up" - LOLOLOLOLOL
But I proved my point; you spend more time on here than me. Yet you supposedly are a hard-done-by parent. Your leisure time is double mine, and I work 8am to 5pm.
Perhaps you're just a bad parent. I'll never know.
That couldn't possibly be because I've been on maternity leave since August due to my pregnancy being high risk could it? Luckily I saved up enough comp, holiday and, vacation time to let me stay home for a year and still get paid.
Normally I work 10pm to 6:45am, come home, get my son ready for school, take him to school at 8 am, come home, me and the baby take a nap from 9am to noon, we wake up, do house work (dishes, laundry, vacume etc.) by 3:45pm I'd be picking my son up from school, when we get home I do homework with him, on tuesdays and fridays we do T-ball practice until 6pm then he goes to his dad's house and my daughter goes to Grandma's house so I can get ready for work. That's parenting.
On Sunday I have my stress class then sit in for the noon service, my son is in the Royal Ambassadors which is a youth ministry and has his meeting from 5pm to 6pm, after which he goes to his dads. I get three days off after every six working days and so I give the kids to Grandma usually on my first off day so I can have a day to myself. Bad parent? You wouldn't know what parenting is so stuff it up your ass and sit on it.

reply from: BossMomma

Wrong; because of the defacto laws in NZ.
*Smirk*
P.S. The kids have left home. The bulk of the parenting is over. I'm sure you realise that he loves them enough that he will always be their dad, regardless of the law.
And if the kids were still small he could leave and have no obligation, keep on smirking, it only makes you look like more of a twit. He can love them with all his heart and the kids can consider him dad and that's great, but he's not their father, though I must say he's a good example of a good parent, as opposed to you who haven't a clue what the obligation of parenting means.

reply from: CharlesD

A guardian and a parent are not the same thing. If you didn't birth it or adopt it, you're not the parent. You might be a caretaker or a guardian, but the word parent doesn't apply. You can call a donkey a horse if you want, but that doesn't change what it is.

reply from: CharlesD

From a legal standpoint, yes.
We can't just go around changing well established definitions of words just because they suit our whim. What if I decide to have a meaningful relationship with a goat and call it a marriage? Does that make it a marriage? It doesn't matter how I define something, but how it is defined and has been defined over time. The word "parent" applies to biological or adoptive parents. That is what the word means. In that situation you can be a guardian. You might even be a legal guardian recognized by the state, but if you want to call yourself a parent, you have to adopt that kid. Like I said, calling a donkey a horse doesn't make it so.

reply from: BossMomma

From a legal standpoint, yes.
We can't just go around changing well established definitions of words just because they suit our whim. What if I decide to have a meaningful relationship with a goat and call it a marriage? Does that make it a marriage? It doesn't matter how I define something, but how it is defined and has been defined over time. The word "parent" applies to biological or adoptive parents. That is what the word means. In that situation you can be a guardian. You might even be a legal guardian recognized by the state, but if you want to call yourself a parent, you have to adopt that kid. Like I said, calling a donkey a horse doesn't make it so.
Exactly, thank you. Maybe a second educated individual will make some progress.

reply from: BossMomma

So why wasn't I being paid?
Why I was the one paying all that money then?
Look up what? It's right under your user name. All i had to do was divide your posts by your time on here. That's like 6th grade math or something. And I simply glanced below your user icon.
"Look all that up" - LOLOLOLOLOL
But I proved my point; you spend more time on here than me. Yet you supposedly are a hard-done-by parent. Your leisure time is double mine, and I work 8am to 5pm.
Perhaps you're just a bad parent. I'll never know.
That couldn't possibly be because I've been on maternity leave since August due to my pregnancy being high risk could it? Luckily I saved up enough comp, holiday and, vacation time to let me stay home for a year and still get paid.
Normally I work 10pm to 6:45am, come home, get my son ready for school, take him to school at 8 am, come home, me and the baby take a nap from 9am to noon, we wake up, do house work (dishes, laundry, vacume etc.) by 3:45pm I'd be picking my son up from school, when we get home I do homework with him, on tuesdays and fridays we do T-ball practice until 6pm then he goes to his dad's house and my daughter goes to Grandma's house so I can get ready for work. That's parenting.
On Sunday I have my stress class then sit in for the noon service, my son is in the Royal Ambassadors which is a youth ministry and has his meeting from 5pm to 6pm, after which he goes to his dads. I get three days off after every six working days and so I give the kids to Grandma usually on my first off day so I can have a day to myself. Bad parent? You wouldn't know what parenting is so stuff it up your ass and sit on it.
Blah, blah blah.
You can't prove any of that.
The evidence speaks for itself: you post twice as much as me.
LOL!
And you can't prove that you ever supported anyone's kids and can't prove that you didn't make that whole BS story up just trying to gain an inch in this argument. I don't care if you don't take my word for it, I still win the argument by leaps and bounds and you can stick that in your ass as well, have fun sitting on it.

reply from: BossMomma

No I haven't, I stated facts, you stated emotional rhetoric, a few insults and misc. BS. I don't care if you think I don't have kids though I have pics of them in my signature. The facts I've stated have been backed by at least 3 parents thus far, you lose.

reply from: BossMomma

:yawn: your hubris is showing. Try being a parent to begin with.

reply from: BossMomma

Might want to take your own advice
How do you know I don't? You didn't start denying that I have kids until I kicked your ass in this debate. Apparently you'll come to any conclusion to massage your wounded ego. Now, you sit and simmer and I'm gonna go do a nebulizer treatment and have a hot bath. Ta ta.

reply from: ChristopherLaRock

But you have to admit, there's nothing more attractive than a woman with a loaded gun in her hand.
Maybe I'm odd, but I like it when women are agressive like that.
:thumbsup:

reply from: CharlesD

It depends on where she's pointing it.

reply from: ChristopherLaRock

It depends on where she's pointing it.
True!
And if she shoots me, how do I know if she's not interested in me - or just playing 'hard to get'?
LOL

reply from: BossMomma

I was absent for a week recovering from a surgery on my unborn son's umbellical cord. There was a mass in the cord blocking oxygen and nutrients that was stunting his growth. I've been told to take it easy as I'm nearing the end of my pregnancy with twins, hence the high risk pregnancy

reply from: BossMomma

But you have to admit, there's nothing more attractive than a woman with a loaded gun in her hand.
Maybe I'm odd, but I like it when women are agressive like that.
:thumbsup:
You realize your sounding just a little like a pig right?

reply from: BossMomma

It depends on where she's pointing it.
True!
And if she shoots me, how do I know if she's not interested in me - or just playing 'hard to get'?
LOL
Well if she shoots off your penis I think it's safe to say she's not interested.

reply from: BossMomma

I was absent for a week recovering from a surgery on my unborn son's umbellical cord. There was a mass in the cord blocking oxygen and nutrients that was stunting his growth. I've been told to take it easy as I'm nearing the end of my pregnancy with twins, hence the high risk pregnancy
As I said, that makes your posting stats even more prolific. More like 17.5 posts a day.
So because I'm under Doctors orders to rest I can't possibly be a good parent? I post a bit more than I did before because my condition requires me to take it easy and so temporarily I've needed help from my mom in taking care of my kids. Before August 20th I rarely posted because I didn't have the time.
You still don't have a point and so far have sufficed to be a nasty presumptuous little git. You aren't a parent, have never been a parent and furthermore have never been solely responsible for any child or children. You've never been a pregnant parent of multiple children to boot, so wtf are you trying to prove?

reply from: BossMomma

What ever now run along and cry about your genitals somemore, it seems to be your whole purpose for being here as you don't care one wit for abortion and you can't debate worth a crap.

reply from: KaylieBee

...What the hell.
That's disgustingly low.

reply from: ProLulzer

You're a reverse sexist. You think should have to fight and die and women do not. This is sexist to men. Sexist pig.
If I was a man you would correct, but I am a woman. How can a woman be sexist toward other women?

reply from: BossMomma

...What the hell.
That's disgustingly low.
So vexy can be as vicious as she likes but the minute I give her a taste of her own you cry foul? Piss off, I'm not walking on egg shells for this whiney ass and I'm not taking any crap from someone who once refered to another poster's children as crotch droppings.

reply from: BossMomma

BTW, You are not only full of crap but you're a liar as well. I started posting in August, here is a link to my first post.
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=4518&enterthread=y

reply from: BossMomma

BTW, You are not only full of crap but you're a liar as well. I started posting in August, here is a link to my first post.
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=4518&enterthread=y
LOL way to PWN yourself.
You can't have posted before August.
You were not a member!
It's under you own name in black and white!
LOLOLOLOLOL!
Wow, fish in a barrel anyone?
Uhm, stupid under my name it says I joined 8/04/08, that's in August. Keep on laughing though. I took maternity leave 8/20/08.

reply from: BossMomma

No, before August you WERE NOT A MEMBER!
That's why you didn't post!
LOLOLOLOLOL
Meant to say before August 20th which is when I took leave. This is getting rather pointless though, you've never been a parent, have no idea what being a parent means and thus, you lose this debate. Have a nice day, or a bad one which ever you prefer.

reply from: BossMomma

Is it possible for a black person to discriminate against his own race? How about a white man? Can a man discriminate in favor of women, or only men? Isn't "sexism" just discrimination based on sex? Is it only racism if you discriminate against blacks? Is it only racism if you discriminate against a race other than your own? Is it only sexism if you discriminate against women. Is it only sexism if you are biased against the opposite sex, or is it sexism when you are biased against your own sex as well?
Women can certainly be "sexist toward other women." I'm not saying you are, just correcting your apparent misconception. People seem to cling to a lot of misconceptions....
Someone on the AOL board once told me that only white people could be racist and said that terms like Cracker, Honky, White Bread and, White Trash weren't racist terms at all. Shows how ignorant some people are.

reply from: KaylieBee

Baaaaaaaaaaw.
If you don't have a c-section, what do children 'drop' out of?
Why are you so angry lately? She proved you spend way more time on here than she does. You may have about 1/3 of the posts, but she's been here about a year, and you've only been around since August.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

BTW, You are not only full of crap but you're a liar as well. I started posting in August, here is a link to my first post.
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=4518&enterthread=y
LOL way to PWN yourself.
You can't have posted before August.
You were not a member!
It's under you own name in black and white!
LOLOLOLOLOL!
Wow, fish in a barrel anyone?
Uh, she didn't SAY she posted BEFORE August. She said she joined IN August. Way to PWN yourself.

reply from: ladybug

Of course women can be infantry, but there are exceptions. I don't know all of them but I do know that they don't allow women to be tankers. My husband explained it to me... in such a funny way, but true. Now I haven't read all 9 pages of this post so I apologize if I'm repeating anything. Every month a woman goes through extreme hormonal changes... that can effect moods, body changes, even decisions. And that is why they will not allow female tankers. The military cannot afford for a female who has "bad pms" to be making decisions when it comes to shooting off a tank. And I agree. I am much better handling my emotions then some other women I know. However, there are times that if my husband rubs me just the wrong way, I really would like to tie a cement block to his foot and throw him in the ocean. We cannot afford for ANYONES emotions to effect their job. Why do you think the divorce rate is so high in the military? Or when our husbands (or wives) brothers, sisters..etc go off to war, you are told to stay strong and refrain from giving them bad news if it can be helped.


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