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by: equinox

A 15 year old girl I know thinks she should go on the birth control pill "just to be safe". This never came up until she recently moved to a new foster home. I think the foster mom is pushing her into it. I hear that she won't be allowed to see her boyfriend unless she is on the pill. I am encouraging her to practice abstinence, not rush things, and not be alone with him. I would like her to know the downside about the pill, so she can at least make an informed decision. Please recommend a pamphlet or web page on this topic for teens? Thanks.

reply from: KaylieBee

Um, if she goes to a doctor or a clinic whatever to get the pill, the nurse/doctor will tell her the side effects, just like mine did. And if not, there's a sheet of info in the box with said info.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

The downside of taking the Pill is - if you forget to take it every day, you can get pregnant.
It sounds like she is already sexually active. If so, you are not going to be able to get her to practice abstinence. It is best that she learns about ALL methods of birth control, as well as the facts about preventing STDs, so that she can make an informed decision.

reply from: scopia1982


A 15 yr old girl is a child whos body is going through alot of hormonal changes, it does not need to be complicated by the introduction of hormonal birth control, unless she is having problems with her menstrual cycle. What IMO would be best for her would be condoms and nonoxyl9 foam spray or vaginal spermicide inserts. I personally dont think a 15 yr old is emotionally ready to have sex, but if she must I would push for condom use among all else, because the condom will offer some protection against STDs. Many teens sadly go on BC, but dont use condoms to protect them for diseases. STD would be more my worry, than pregnancy. How old is her boyfriend by the way?

reply from: KaylieBee

Doubling up is better. And spermicides weaken condoms, and irritate the walls of the vagina, so those two cannot be combined. Putting her on the pill not only helps her sexually, but is good in other ways too. For example, it can lower the risk of certain cancers, and regulate your period, and make it less painful, as well as lighter.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Gosh, KaylieBee, you probably just scared the crap out of a few people who didn't know about the interaction between spermicides and condoms!

reply from: scopia1982

They too can be combined KB. I am on the pill for "Dysfunctional Uterine Bleeding" and one of the things the NP tells us too do if we miss a pill or have diarreha vomiting is to use condoms and spermicide through the remainder of the pill pack. A 15 year old girl is a child and the pill strongly alters the body chemistry of a healthy adult woman, imagine what it can do to a growing teenager? She could get fitted for a diagphram or a cervical cap. But no matter what method she ends up being on, that boyfriend needs to have a condom on.

reply from: KaylieBee

True, and she should be on the pill, it's way safer than any of the other methods of female birth control. She could also use other non-hormonal methods to go along with those two, as well.
You can't pretend like teenagers aren't sexually active. You got pregnant at 17, didn't you? That's only two years older than she is now. I know mothers younger than her.

reply from: scopia1982

Oral Contraceptives can increase a woman's risk for breast cancer. The Pill also increases a woman's chance for fatal blood clots, heart attacks and stroke. We are having teens rushed to ER's with Pill related heartattacks and strokes. I would hardly call it the safest form of BC. The risks outweigh the benefits. There is no way that I would allow my teen daughter to be put on a hormonal method of BC knowing this, unless she had a problem with her menstraul cycle, such as prolonged heavy bleeding.

reply from: KaylieBee

Well then, good thing she won't need parental consent.

reply from: nancyu

http://www.pregnantpause.org/safe/pillcanc.htm
http://www.jpands.org/vol13no1/lanfranchi.pdf
I hope you will find these links helpful. Please remember to tell her there is no such thing as "safe sex" Sex can always carry consequences no matter how much "protection" is used. The pill will not protect against STDs or STIs. The only 100% sure way of protecting oneself against pregnancy and/or STDs is abstinence, and there is no shame in waiting.

reply from: KaylieBee

And there shouldn't be any shame in protecting yourself the best you can should you decide to have sex. Even if it's not on hundred percent, it's better than bare back.

reply from: KaylieBee

If by 30 I still don't want kids, I'm totally going that route.

reply from: scopia1982

If my minor child cannot get an asprin from a school nurse, no way should they be allowed to get the pill without parent consent. It is not just about the pill, I would feel the same way about any other medication or medical procedure performed on my child without my consent. If you ever read the patient insert of the Pill you see what risk I am talking about. This is something a parent needs to give consent and be involved in, because usually a parent knows the complete medical history, allergies etc.

reply from: KaylieBee

Well, your government doesn't seem to think she would, so there's no use complaining to me of all people.

reply from: scopia1982

"If by 30 I still don't want kids, I'm totally going that route."

No doctor is going to do a hysterectomy unless you have a medical problem. They might do a tubal Ligation, but no doctor is going to a major procedure just so you will not get pregnant.

reply from: scopia1982

Yes and we can lobby for the laws to be changed this is a democracy.And if she has a heart attack or stroke related to the use of the Pill and the parents did not know she was using it. They have grounds for a major lawsuit.

reply from: KaylieBee

If by 30 I still don't want kids, I'm totally going that route.

No doctor is going to do a hysterectomy unless you have a medical problem. They might do a tubal Ligation, but no doctor is going to a major procedure just so you will not get pregnant.
http://cf_hardcore.livejournal.com

Regardless, by that route I basically meant sterilization. Something like Essure, or, as you said, a tubal.

reply from: KaylieBee

Yes and we can lobby for the laws to be changed this is a democracy.
I hope to whatever there is to hope to the US won't come to a place where its girls are denied the protection they want because they're to scared to get parental consent.

reply from: scopia1982

Yes and we can lobby for the laws to be changed this is a democracy.
I hope to whatever there is to hope to the US won't come to a place where its girls are denied the protection they want because they're to scared to get parental consent.
IF kids want "protection" they can be grown ups go down to the RiteAid or CVS and buy a box of condoms. They are not that expensive and we need to concern ourselves with STDs more than pregnacy. While the teen pregnancy rate is down, 1 in 4 teen girls in the USA have an STD according to the CDC. I know kids are going to have sex, but if they would lear n a little thing called self control, we would not be having as many pregnant teens and 25% of teen girls with STDS. Is self control such a foreign concept to you kids today?

reply from: KaylieBee

You got pregnant as a teenager, stop acting so holier than thou.

reply from: scopia1982

Yes I did and I learned from my mistakes which is hardly acting holier than thou.Why do you think I say what I say about teen sex, because I have been there and done that. You are still a kid and have a alot of growing up to do. I lost my virginity at 13 and that is not something I am proud of and if I could change it I would. I am 25 soon to be 26 I am not ancient, but old enough to have an opinion on the matter.But even in my teenage years I had some self control, I didnt jump into every guys bed that propositioned me like alot of kids do today.

reply from: sheri

Is she prolife? If so she may be concerned about the abortifacient aspect of the birth control pill, you can get info about that as well as the possibility of contracting breast cancer from the pill at polycarp.org

reply from: nancyu

There is no shame in being informed of the risks involved in using birth control pills either. Women have the right to be informed of the risks. Just because you don't have any self respect that doesn't mean other women don't. Some might like to make an informed decision.

reply from: KaylieBee

Yes I did and I learned from my mistakes which is hardly acting holier than thou.Why do you think I say what I say about teen sex, because I have been there and done that. You are still a kid and have a alot of growing up to do. I lost my virginity at 13 and that is not something I am proud of and if I could change it I would. I am 25 soon to be 26 I am not ancient, but old enough to have an opinion on the matter.But even in my teenage years I had some self control, I didnt jump into every guys bed that propositioned me like alot of kids do today.
WTF, where were your parents?

reply from: KaylieBee

There is no shame in being informed of the risks involved in using birth control pills either. Women have the right to be informed of the risks. Just because you don't have any self respect that doesn't mean other women don't. Some might like to make an informed decision.
Ahahaha. I have no self respect? Because I chose to use a pill which makes me feel safer, yet has side effects like every other medication out there? Ahaha.
Nancy, the box the pill comes in has a huge infosheet discussing all the side effects and the 'you should not take this' ifs.

reply from: scopia1982

They were home if they were not working,sadly they were too wrapped up in their own selfish interests to notice or care. Maybe if they had been paying attention, I would not have made the wrong choices. But I do own my past sexual mistakes. That is why I push for parental involvment and consent in aspects of abortion or birth control. Do your parents know that you on BC and sexually active.

reply from: KaylieBee

Yes they do, as a matter of fact.

reply from: scopia1982

Thats good, but do they approve of it? If they didnt would you still do it anyway?

reply from: sweet

encourage abstinence until marriage. here's a website:
http://www.unification.net/tfv/tenreasons.html

reply from: KaylieBee

They're not at all offended by it. And if they were, I just wouldn't tell them.

reply from: KaylieBee

Didn't you know? All 'real' women want to be married by 18, and have four kids crapped out by 21.

reply from: scopia1982

Thats a good thing then, but to go against their wishes while still living under their roof would be very disrespectful.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I think the foster mom has a good head on her. There is no sin in birth control and it has a lot of additional benefits even for an abstinent teen. I was on bc when I was 16 "just to be safe" and I'm just fine.

reply from: carolemarie

If a kid ask for BC, give it to her.

reply from: sheri

If a child asks for some bread do you hand her a snake?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

No; but this child is asking for birth control, so give her birth control.

reply from: carolemarie

If she wants it she probably needs it.
Most girls don't ask for birth control if they are not having sex.
In this day of AIDs it is better to be safer, her life may be on the line

reply from: KaylieBee

Well, the pill isn't going to do anything about AIDS.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Yeah, she'll need condoms for that. She should probably use both anyway just to be safe. She shouldn't be having sex! but since she seems to be, at lease let's prevent her bodily harm and a potential abortion.

reply from: carolemarie

Birth control doesn't have to mean the pill. I think she should go to the Doctor and talk to her about what she needs and should do.
Different options, like the shot and condoms. If she is having sex, she needs to protect herself.

reply from: sheri

No she needs to protect herself! period!
If she has time to think about a condom she has time to rethink her choice to have sex in the first place. You all know full well she could get pregnant despite all the most perfect precations, then what? Then the baby pays.
How about putting prince charming to the chastity test? Have her tell him she is going to quit sex, for good untill they are married, if he really loved her he would stick through, my bet is he gets sick of the challenge after two weeks and goes looking for easier prey.

reply from: KaylieBee

What is she doesn't want that?

reply from: sheri

Kids want a lot of things that arent good for them, we tell them they cant have drugs, guns and 50 year old chat room best friends, why not throw 'no sex' in for good measure?

reply from: carolemarie

If she is asking for BC, then she is having sex. Not giving it to her can lead to pregnancy and maybe an abortion.

reply from: KaylieBee

Sex is controlled by law. You have to be 16 to consent to sex in most states.

reply from: carolemarie

I think teenagers should wait Sheri, but not all of them do and for those, BC is better than a baby and and STD

reply from: sheri

Thanks for the update, you two,I still believe taking a hard line approach is best with such a dangerous thing as sex before marriage. Its just too bad this girl sounds like she doesnt have very good guardians.

reply from: carolemarie

Do you oppose sexually active girls using BC?
It seems a rather counter position to being oppose to abortion.

reply from: sheri

Giving a girl a condom is basicly giving her the go ahead. If i told my kids, "look, i would prefer you knew how to ride before you got up on the untrained mustang but i recognize you will do it anyway so here is a helmet."
Now you people will contend that "at least she will have the helmet", while i see nothing but the irresponcibility of telling a kid, "im against it but expect disobeidience". You cant stop some people from trying to kill themselvs, but you can refuse to participate in the action.

reply from: sheri

CM, i believe life begins at fertilization, so i dont see a real big difference, morally to the shot and abortion.

reply from: sheri

You can at least refuse to particapate in destructive behavior.

reply from: sheri

We cant control other peoples lives, only our own.

reply from: sheri

If the act has happened of course you would help her through, say get an STD test, your hypothetical is off, it is more accurate to say she is threaghtening to jump out of a high building and you say "well, i cant stop you so aim for the trampoline". It would be better to say " like hell! now get away from the window before your further temped"

reply from: sheri

It would make more sense to me to keep her away from the window. Of course, if you cant be watching all the time (and who can?) the best you can do is let her know she will be hurt by that fall and you will have none of it.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

There is no proof that any form of hormonal birth control prevents implantation. In fact, having sex using NFP statistically causes MORE failed implants that using bc, so bc actually saves lives.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

That reminds me far too much of "letting" your wife die due to a harmful pregnancy as opposed to saving her via an abortion.

reply from: scopia1982

There is no proof that any form of hormonal birth control prevents implantation. In fact, having sex using NFP statistically causes MORE failed implants that using bc, so bc actually saves lives.
Read the patenit inserts in the HC packets, that is certainly one of the mechanisms. Got to Web Md and research it. In the case of NFP, if an eggs fails to implant, it is an act of nature not artificial means.

reply from: scopia1982

Sex is controlled by law. You have to be 16 to consent to sex in most states.
Its 18 in mine.

reply from: scopia1982

No it doesnt and alot of kids dont seem to undestand that. Its like I have my Pill, I am completely protected and than wonder HOW they got that STD

reply from: scopia1982

I agree with you CM completly. To these kids these days sex is a game, like playing Russian Roulette. It is a serious matter and something that should be done out of love, not lust. I had sex as a teen and made stupid mistakes. I had to to learn the hard way. I am not saying wait until marriage, but sex is an adult act. Adults live on their own, pay their own bills not at home with mom and dad. When a person is self sufficent then maybe they are emotionally ready for sex.

reply from: scopia1982

What is "benificial " about it? The chance of stroke, heartattack, increased chance of breast cancer, liver damage? Why give a child a medication if her body is working the way it was designed too. Unless she has menstrual cycle problems, the risks outweigh any benefit.

reply from: scopia1982

No; but this child is asking for birth control, so give her birth control.
Because she is a child!! Point made.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

So, if a child gets pregnant, you are okay with telling her that the BEST thing for her to do, notwithstanding possible risks to her health and life, is to go ahead and HAVE A BABY?
I would rather have a sexually active teen using birth control than NOT using it and risking an unwanted pregnancy, which brings about MORE problems than ANY form of BC.

reply from: scopia1982

What about barrier methods, diagphrams, condoms? Far safer than HBC and no long lasting side affects?

reply from: sheri

Allwetlooney, children should not be having sex, and giving them a pill is giving them permission. Then you want her to have an abortion (when your pill fails) and start the process all over again. No wonder most women who have abortions come back again for another.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

What about barrier methods, diagphrams, condoms? Far safer than HBC and no long lasting side affects?
They are not as effective.
http://www.fda.gov/Fdac/features/1997/conceptbl.html

reply from: sheri

I do not believe driving is reckless behavior, in the proper context, i would not let my child drive before she learned how and got her license. (walked right into that one CP)

reply from: nancyu

I agree with this 100%. If parents say what they mean and mean what they say, kids get the message. If you expect your teens to have sex, they will. They don't like to disappoint, and they always seem to do what is expected of them.
Pro abortion would like everyone to believe that birth control will prevent abortions. Not true. Birth control is the other side of the same coin, and all part of the same eugenic, anti-life mentality. But the abortion industry needs people to believe in birth control, to make sure they stay in business when Roe Vs Wade is overturned.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Apparently the girl in question has already done the learning part, is not interested in a (marriage) license, is "driving" and wants to avoid accidents.
Is that such a terrible thing?

reply from: sheri

What kind of parent would say "I see youve been taking the car for a spin, you are not licensed, you dont know the rules of the road, just make sure you wear a seatbelt." No, you would say "keep out of the drivers seat untill you have your permit".
I think the problem comes for most people in comparing driving to sex is they see the latter as an unharmful recreational activity that kids do whether you want them to or not. While they see driving as something that could get them hurt.

reply from: sweet

Apparently the girl in question has already done the learning part, is not interested in a (marriage) license, is "driving" and wants to avoid accidents.
Is that such a terrible thing?encourage NOT 'driving.' it's not impossible nor unheard of to stop. (like suspended license)

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Yup, it worked for Sarah Palin and her daughter!

reply from: nancyu

http://www.abortiontv.com/Avoid!/Avoidit.htm

reply from: equinox

Many of you who responded to this post have completely missed my point. Instead I see people taking one word out of my post, running with it, and preaching their viewpoint on contraceptives. Consider this:
1) "I think the foster mom is pushing her into it."
This is wrong. As far as I know, she is not sexually active. I can see this particular girl using the fact that she is on the pill to go further down that road. Society does not tell teens it is okay to drink, do drugs, or smoke; even though, some will anyway. Why do we treat premarital sex any differently? Such as "Of course, you should wait, but wink wink here is a device to help you be "safe" anyway." We all know they are not completely effective especially in the hands of teens.
I volunteered doing free pregnancy tests at clinic for awhile. I saw countless girls come in who were on contraceptives that were afraid for one reason or another they were pregnant. I never saw anyone come in who practiced 100% abstinence. By the way, condoms are not that trustworthy (15 of 100 typical condom using couples will experience pregnancy within the first year of use). See http://www.hli.org/condom_expose_complete.html
2) "I would like her to know the downside about the pill, so she can at least make an informed decision. Please recommend a pamphlet or web page on this topic for teens?"
My fear is this kid won't get a balanced viewpoint from the foster mom or the family planning clinic. I see them as pro-pill i.e. if someone asks, they'll get a prescription. I want her to at least know the drawbacks and that the safest course of action is not to have sex.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Look, the final issue is this:
1. No one can force this child to not have sex, not in any legal way. It's against the law, but only the male gets punished for "statutory rape". There is not lawful punishment for underage sex.
2. She is going to have sex.
3. Unprotected sex makes babies.
4. Protected sex does not make babies. It prevents babies.
5. Any baby she makes will most likely be unwanted.
6. Unwanted babies are often aborted.
7. Preventing unwanted babies prevents abortions.

reply from: sheri

You should not encourage a child to have sex. Anyone who believes there are no consequences to sex in general are at best fooling themselves.
Some of you make it sound like the worst thing that could happen to her is a pregnancy, taking the pill for years before your first full term pregnancy raises your risk of develping breast cancer signifacently. As undesirable as a pregnancy would be at that age there are drawbacks to contraceptive sex, she should not be in a position where she has to make these life changing decisions. Its wrong to put that on her. It is a real shame she is not better cared for.

reply from: carolemarie

It sounds like the foster mom is seeing something you are not in this girl and ist rying to protect her.
If you want her to know the benefits of abstinence tell her.
At risk kids, (and being in foster care makes her one) are much more likely to engage in premarital sex. She deserves to know about contraceptives.
You can give her an abstinence presentation and encourage her to post pone sexual behavior.
But just cause the best thing is to wait doesn't mean that she will.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Tell that to the catholic church.
Not all catholic priests are pedophiles, in fact it is a startling minority. You want others to stop being mean to you? Stop lashing out. It's hard as hell, I know.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

The pill CAN increase the risk for breast cancer but it decreases the risk for cervical cancer.

reply from: sheri

How about trying to reason her out of it? I just dont think you guys really know whats at stake, Its not real to you ......
Im not saying you can stop the girl from doing what she wants, however implyed consent is only going to make her more apt to think its not that bad and go ahead with it.
Before you people answer this take a second to imagine if your own baby girl comes up to you to say "after the condom broke he told me he had an STD, why is Herpes so bad again?". Just imagine her in that situation and think again if the hard line isnt the right way to go.

reply from: scopia1982

The pill CAN increase the risk for breast cancer but it decreases the risk for cervical cancer.
But cervical cancer if caught early can be easliy cured, which is why screening is important. But breast cancer if caught early can be difficult to treat.

reply from: sheri

What if the boy she was going with refused to use condoms, what would your responce be? Why not just take that approach to begin with?

reply from: scopia1982

As far as the downside of the pill all you have to do is look in the patient inserts and it will tell you the all of the risks and side effects. I think if you want to show her the drawbacks to sex, get a college health book and show her pictures of herpes and genital warts, that might get her to wait for a little while.

reply from: sheri

You are the exception, i dont believe most fathers are as involved with their children as you seem to be, youre children are blessed. I think your trust goes a very long way, (however i can only imagine what a mood killer it would be to find your fathers condom in your purse, was there more method in your madness?) I dont believe i can add anything more, you will not except that condoms fail, or that having one on hand makes it more likely that it will be used. Anything further will probably be tossed back as my realigious bias.
Do not think that i wish you to be wrong in practice,it is in fact my prayer that you remain the exception.

reply from: KaylieBee

I thought you couldn't tell just by looking?

reply from: KaylieBee

It's a poor indicator, isn't it? Mine didn't fully rip until way after the first time.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

The pill CAN increase the risk for breast cancer but it decreases the risk for cervical cancer.
But cervical cancer if caught early can be easliy cured, which is why screening is important. But breast cancer if caught early can be difficult to treat.
I don't think that's a valid argument, sorry. I think the benefits of birth control out weigh its risks.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

It's a poor indicator, isn't it? Mine didn't fully rip until way after the first time.
It's a terrible, out of date and sexist indicator. Many girls are born with NO hymen at all! I personally have a septate hymen, so it's just a string. It didn't break until months after I started having sex. Actually a whole year, now that I think about it.
What rape exams and smart gynos look for is actually vaginal abrasions.

reply from: scopia1982

It is a valid argument sorry you cant see that. Breast Cancer is the number 2 killer of women, outranked only by heart disease. When you say birth control that isnt just hormonal, I am talking about the hormonal BC, not to mention the risk of stroke and heart attack. There are barrier methods that are much safer. NFP is another good alternative and the only one officially sanctioned by my Church. NFP can be used to either prevent or achieve pregnancy. It has minimal cost and no physical side effects. If a woman can pinpoint her fertile days she can either abstain or use a barrier method. It however requires cooperation from both partners and reccommended only in a monogamous relationship. When practiced correctly it is 90-98% effective.
http://familydoctor.org/online/famdocen/home/women/contraceptive/126.html#ArticleParsysMiddleColumn0003

reply from: RiverMoonLady

90% to 98% effectiveness (only with PERFECT use) is still abysmal compared to other forms of birth control. If your church allows other methods, they should be used.

reply from: scopia1982

Nope, we dont. A woman can use the Pill if she has a medical condition, such as dysmennorha or prolonged utering bleeding etc. Mother Teresa taught illiterate Indian women in the slums of Calcutta how to use it and her success rate was 95-98%. NFP requires cooperation of both partners and unlike other forms of BC, doesnt place the burden exclusily on the woman. Even if you use other BC methods it is a great way for women to learn how to be intune with their bodies as to what may be going right or wrong. In Catholicism using artificial contracpetion is playing God. it violates the natural law. Below is a link that can better explain it.
http://www.catholic.com/library/Birth_Control.asp

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Like what? Other than abstinence. NFP is not more effective than hormonal bc. Condoms alone are not more effective. Non hormonal IUD's are, but most pro-lifers think they kill babies.

reply from: scopia1982

Like what? Other than abstinence. NFP is not more effective than hormonal bc. Condoms alone are not more effective. Non hormonal IUD's are, but most pro-lifers think they kill babies.
I think 90-98% is good effectivness. My concerns about the IUds is the risk for uterine perforation, PID, Prolonged heavy bleeding, and permnant infertility. I had an IUD inserted 6 wks Post Partum after I had my son. I bled really bad and had it removed after 2 weeks. This of course was when all of my bleeding problems seems to have started.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Like what? Other than abstinence. NFP is not more effective than hormonal bc. Condoms alone are not more effective. Non hormonal IUD's are, but most pro-lifers think they kill babies.
I think 90-98% is good effectivness. My concerns about the IUds is the risk for uterine perforation, PID, Prolonged heavy bleeding, and permnant infertility. I had an IUD inserted 6 wks Post Partum after I had my son. I bled really bad and had it removed after 2 weeks. This of course was when all of my bleeding problems seems to have started.
So do I, Scopia. Those risks with the IUDs are basically old wives tales relating to when IUDs first came out. They are so much safer these days that they are even ok for girls who have never given birth. Have you gone back to gynos to fix your bleeding problem? Shouldn't ordinary pills fix that?

reply from: scopia1982

So do I, Scopia. Those risks with the IUDs are basically old wives tales relating to when IUDs first came out. They are so much safer these days that they are even ok for girls who have never given birth. Have you gone back to gynos to fix your bleeding problem? Shouldn't ordinary pills fix that?
I had one of the newer ones called Mirena. I have not been back to the Gyno for over a year. I have no insurance, cant get medicaid and the doctor would do nothing for me no ultrasound, biopsy, nothing because it is too expensive and I cannot pay. My body reacts strangely to the Pill, I will take it for 6 months and then my body rejects it and it starts again. It usually ends up with a trip to the ER to get a shot of Progesteron to slow it down and hopefully stop it. But when the 3rd brand of Pills the doc gave me failed, he dismissed me saying there is nothing more he can do. IMO it what he will not do for me, more than cant. The only kind of medicaid I can get is the new "Plan First" which will pay for a pap smear, Birth control or for me to get my tubes tied, but I cant get coverage to fix my problem.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Why can't you get medicaid? It doesn't make any sense that if these procedures are too expensive that you can't get aid for this; uterine bleeding is a life-threatening situation and can't just be ignored. It can make you infertile very easily, and kill you even. Get a different doctor! I don't understand why people (doctors) don't realise the severity of menstrual problems and the dangerous life impacts they can have. Women's health shouldn't be dependent on "can I pay", it should depend on "I need help". This is why we need national health care! It pisses me of SO much to always hear about people in dire need of medical care who just can't do anything about it. I'm totally willing to pay higher taxes to care for myself and for others.

reply from: Cecilia

Now you sound like those "psycho liberals" you have complained for.

reply from: 4given

Who can "get Medicaid" if over the age of 18, not pregnant or disabled? I know a few disabled people that aren't entitled to Medicaid either, even though Medicare doesn't cover expenses, outside of a portion of hospitalization costs. Medicare is only available through Social Security.. so regardless of whether or not it is used, it is still taken from money needed to survive- money paid in. The whole bit is a mess. I am opposed to universal healthcare, but do believe that something needs to be done to correct the corrupt and mixed up system. (applicable to the foster care system as well) It is disgusting to me that BC , tubal ligation and a pap is the only thing covered by Medicaid. I do know that they will not provide Medicaid to an underage female, or any female when pregnant if still living with her parents. (I am not sure if the parents need to be elegible and listed as income- or not)Does the system and the regulations change per state? Curious.

reply from: Cecilia

There is also Medicare which is different that Medicaid andwill cover pregnant teens.
Please read this site to learn:
http://www.medicareadvocacy.org/medicaid_diff.vs.medicare.htm

Medicare is a federal health insurance program for people age 65 and older, certain people under 65 with disabilities and certain people with kidney disease. Medicaid, which is administered by the states, is a program of health coverage for certain people with low incomes or very high medical bills. Eligibility for Medicare depends on age or disability only; eligibility for Medicaid depends on age, disability or family status and on an individual's (or family's) income and resources.

reply from: equinox

Have you checked the latest Consumer Reports data on condoms (Feb. 2005 I think)? It says the same thing. Consumer Reports is not a religious site. The are not even a pro-life or anti-contraceptive site. Plus, they do their own testing. Even when used properly and consistently, condoms have a 2% failure rate. Did you read the entire expose before passing judgment?

reply from: equinox

You have a flawed syllogism and here is why:
1) We can certainly set up conditions such as a chaperon that would make it less likely she will have sex. My message is "If you are not ready for parenthood, then you are not ready for sex since having intercourse may result in pregnancy. If you are consenting to sex, then you are giving implied consent to a possible pregnancy."

2) You do not know for a fact she will have sex.
3) Unprotected sex does not always make babies.
4) Babies also result from protected sex. All contraceptives have failure rates.
5) Unplanned pregnancies do not make unwanted babies. Parents go on to raise and love children from unplanned pregnancies all the time. Couples hoping to adopt want babies. It is demeaning to label a person unwanted.
6) Wanted babies are also aborted. According to the Elliot Institute, 64% of abortions involve some form of coercion upon the mother. This means she wanted the baby, but someone with power over her did not.
7) Preventing premarital sex prevents a whole range of problems.

reply from: equinox

Originally posted by: carolemarie
It sounds like the foster mom is seeing something you are not in this girl and ist rying to protect her.
I've known this girl for eight years. The foster mom has known her for one month. It seems to me like it is an automatic expectation that a girl in her home will go on the pill.

reply from: equinox

God does not create babies hoping they will be aborted. If God allowed you to conceive, then He had a plan for that child.
There is no greater concern for the world than the sanctity of human life. Without a fundamental respect for life, everything else is less important.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

OMFG.
That's like saying "If you consent to drinking alcohol, then you are giving implied consent to possible date rape."
Not really... Having traditional sexual intercourse directly causes pregnancy. Drinking alcohol doesn't directly cause date rape.
Sex doesn't directly cause pregnancy... even without any bc, your chances are only around 50%.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Now you sound like those "psycho liberals" you have complained for.
I only call them psycho liberals when they're trying to kill babies. Other than abortion, I'm actually quite liberal myself. Liberal, not psycho-liberal. Just like I'm pro-life, not anti-woman.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

And where's the guarantee that NPF is being practiced properly or 100% reliable?
Actually one site I read did claim 99% effectiveness and said they couldn't claim 100% despite NO pregnancies just because of the legal issues of that claim.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

It's a poor indicator, isn't it? Mine didn't fully rip until way after the first time.
It's a terrible, out of date and sexist indicator. Many girls are born with NO hymen at all! I personally have a septate hymen, so it's just a string. It didn't break until months after I started having sex. Actually a whole year, now that I think about it.
What rape exams and smart gynos look for is actually vaginal abrasions.
A gyno who is familiar with the patient would certainly be aware of the individual characteristics of her hymen, and would certainly be aware of the fact that she had none, or any other irregularities. The gyno would be able to recognize changes that would indicate loss of virginity in most cases, and would certainly be aware of any irregularities that would make it difficult or impossible to make such a determination well before the fact in cases of regular patients s/he was already familiar with.
I was not referring to a rape exam where the examiner was not familiar with the patient, but a routine exam by a gyno who is very familiar with the patient. The implication was that my daughters' gyno would not necessarily be able to determine whether they had experienced vaginal intercourse, and I dispute that claim. Whether examination of the hymen is generally or always a reliable indicator was never questioned, and is irrelevant to my individual case. In the cases of my daughters, the gyno assures me that they have almost certainly never experienced vaginal intercourse. I reject the implication that her conclusions might not be reliable, as implied by Kayliebee.
I've never had the same gyno twice. Of course if someone has seen your hoo hoo before they're going to know when it changes. A virgin vagina will have tell tale signs, but they're not totally dependent on the hymen because in most cases, the hymen breaks LONG before the girl has sex.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

You have a flawed syllogism and here is why:
1) We can certainly set up conditions such as a chaperon that would make it less likely she will have sex. My message is "If you are not ready for parenthood, then you are not ready for sex since having intercourse may result in pregnancy. If you are consenting to sex, then you are giving implied consent to a possible pregnancy."
Well duh, I think most sane parents tell their children that. It's a good start but it's not fool proof.
True. If she becomes a nun, she may not have sex. I'm going off the assumption she already HAS or will do so in the neat future. That's not a flaw and it's really irrelevant.
I didn't say "always" now did I?
Yes, but these rates are small. That's why people use bc. I'd rather see her on bc than off it. Better safe than sorry.
In teens it normally does. You don't even think the girl is having sex; much less that she actually wants a baby!! And when I say unwanted pregnancy, I equate that with unwanted baby. Since a pregnancy IS a baby.
I never said they couldn't, just that the initial pregnancy is unwanted.
Yeeees, but that's no excuse to let a teen have unprotected sex. "Oh don't worry, someone will adopt it!?"
It's sad but true. Too bad.
I don't see how this is even relavent to our discussion about a teen having sex and whether or not she should be on birth control to prevent an abortion.
I agree, so I don't see how you're contradicting me with this.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

"I do know that they will not provide Medicaid to an underage female, or any female when pregnant if still living with her parents."
This is not true in Pennsylvania.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

"1) We can certainly set up conditions such as a chaperon that would make it less likely she will have sex. My message is "If you are not ready for parenthood, then you are not ready for sex since having intercourse may result in pregnancy. If you are consenting to sex, then you are giving implied consent to a possible pregnancy."
Sure - chaperones like Sarah Palin's parents and Sarah and her husband had. THAT worked really well, didn't it? Both Sarah and her daughter had premarital sex and ended up pregnant.

reply from: equinox

Have you checked the latest Consumer Reports data on condoms (Feb. 2005 I think)? It says the same thing. Consumer Reports is not a religious site. The are not even a pro-life or anti-contraceptive site. Plus, they do their own testing. Even when used properly and consistently, condoms have a 2% failure rate. Did you read the entire expose before passing judgment?
I was referring to the "failure rates" you will find on most religious sites, which are stated as being much higher than 2%, and are obviously skewed, since they often consider a condom that is accidentally torn while opening the package as a "failure" in order to inflate the "failure rate." Many include inconsistent use in their "failures" as well. It is blatant dishonesty. I consider 98% to be pretty effective, and I would also question the circumstances of "failure" for the two percent in question.
I have certainly not been hasty in "passing judgment," and you have yet to post anything that would contradict any statement I made in the post you responded to here...
You make these claims about failure rates for condoms being inflated, misrepresented data, and unscientific studies but you offer no sources to back up your claims. Therefore, your claims lack credibility and are not worthy of consideration. For all I know, you are making it up.
A 2% failure when used perfectly is one thing, but we both know that does not always happen. The data I cited attributes the other 13% failure rate to human error. Until you can prove their methodology is flawed, the 15% figure stands.
Consider this longitudinal information: With condoms being passed out like candy these days, the greater variety of and access to contraceptions, STD rates, unplanned pregnancies, and abortions should not have skyrocketed since the 1960s. The contraceptive culture is a social failure which puts kids at risk. Compare the number of HIV infections in countries which promote abstinence and fidelity to those who primarily promote condom usage.

reply from: scopia1982

Because the state of Virginia says that my husbands measly disability income is too much. A family of 3 cannot make over $600 a month. I was told if we hadnt gotten married and just lived together I could get it. One eligibilty worker suggested that we divorce. I think its a damn shame that married people are penalized. I cannot get into any of the doctors in the area. The policy is simple no insurance no service. Virginia ranks 48th in medicaid spending, only 2 other states are worse.

reply from: carolemarie

Why would you think it would do that? It takes a few minutes of your time daily. You know when your fertile so you avoid having sex on those three days....
Just like not having sex when you don't have condom--it has everything to do with planning.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Why would you think it would do that? It takes a few minutes of your time daily. You know when your fertile so you avoid having sex on those three days....
Just like not having sex when you don't have condom--it has everything to do with planning.
Yeah, there's actually less interference with the actual ACT of sex when using NFP than with condoms.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Once more, we're talking about specific cases, not generalities. What part of that refuses to soak into your brain?
Why are we talking about specific cases?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

No offense, but that's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
People don't die every time they get shot with handguns, so would you argue that shooting people with handguns doesn't directly cause their death?
Sex doesn't cause pregnancy every time, but there is no other natural cause for pregnancy. If you're pregnant, the most likely cause was having vaginal intercourse.
You have so completely misinterpreted my point in saying the above that I'm not even going to bother explaining myself.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

And what guarantee is there that NPF is being done correctly?
Or that a vow of abstinence will remain unbroken?
Kids will have sex. It's a foregone conclusion.
NO it's not. I didn't have sex as a kid.

reply from: QueenJ

Oral Contraceptives can increase a woman's risk for breast cancer. The Pill also increases a woman's chance for fatal blood clots, heart attacks and stroke. We are having teens rushed to ER's with Pill related heartattacks and strokes. I would hardly call it the safest form of BC. The risks outweigh the benefits. There is no way that I would allow my teen daughter to be put on a hormonal method of BC knowing this, unless she had a problem with her menstraul cycle, such as prolonged heavy bleeding.
If someone hasn't already asked, I'd LOVE to see your source and the statistics relating to all these "teens rushed to ER's with Pill related heartattacks and strokes." It'd be much appreciated. Thanks!
It's my understanding that the risk group for such rare side effects are women over 35 and/or women who smoke, not teenagers. Although, my PCP might be wrong, so please correct us if that is so. Again, thanks!

reply from: scopia1982

I am able to admit I jumped the gun talking about the Pill, when I was thinking of the Ortho Evra Patch, which has been known to cause heart attack, stroke, and blood clots in teens and young women. It contains the hormones that are found in OCP and the Pill has been known to cause blood clots and heart attack in younger women. Which is why I would really question the risks of taking any hormonal contracpetive if one doesnt have a medical reason. Here are some links related to OCP and Patch death injuries.
http://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/features/ortho-evra-patch-birth-control-12.html

http://www.nbc6.net/health/5421876/detail.html

ttp://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/articles/00686/ortho-evra-death.html
http://www.cwfa.org/articles/7168/CWA/life/index.htm

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/aug/08082001.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,405261,00.html

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Once more, we're talking about specific cases, not generalities. What part of that refuses to soak into your brain?
Why are we talking about specific cases?
Obviously, Kayliebee questioned how I could be sure my daughters were still virgins. That was the whole point, or were you not paying attention when you jumped in?
Well any rape kit or general gyno exam will tell you that, but it's not primarily based off of the hymen because most adolescent girls break their own hymens through physical activity/tampons/masturbation.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

'Kid' meaning young adults.
Were you a 40yr old spinster before you had sex?
A "kid" is anyone under the age of 13. A teen is 13-19. An adult is 20+. Period. I could see calling a teen a kid, but never an adult, unless I was purposely trying to be insulting. I do not call my friends at college "kids" because they are not.

reply from: scopia1982

'Kid' meaning young adults.
Were you a 40yr old spinster before you had sex?
A "kid" is anyone under the age of 13. A teen is 13-19. An adult is 20+. Period. I could see calling a teen a kid, but never an adult, unless I was purposely trying to be insulting. I do not call my friends at college "kids" because they are not.
I call anyone under a 21 year old a kid.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Legally, anyone 18 and over is an ADULT.

reply from: scopia1982

Legally yes, emotionally I would say its a gamble. It depends on how they conduct themselves. Yet you have to be 21 to drink in this country, so when you are old enough to drink, pay your bills and not living with mommy and daddy than you are an adult.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Legally yes, emotionally I would say its a gamble. It depends on how they conduct themselves. Yet you have to be 21 to drink in this country, so when you are old enough to drink, pay your bills and not living with mommy and daddy than you are an adult.
If you are 18, you are old enough to die in a war. During the Viet Nam War, plenty of 18-year-olds were DRAFTED to serve.
The drinking age has been 18 in the past, but was moved back up to 21 because of an increase in drunken driving accidents involving young adults.
Emotionally, I have met people who are in their 40s and 50s but have diminished mental capacity (I hate the expression "mentally retarded" but that's what it's been called for a long time) and are emotionally not stable. However, they have children (also mentally diminished) but cannot hold down jobs, housing, etc. One couple is now living in an old camping trailer without electricity or running water because their last landlord gave them a 5-day notice to move and they didn't know that it was illegal to do so.
Adulthood is determined by age (except for drinking) but honestly doesn't mean a whole lot, does it?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Yes, but if you're still in highschool, you're a kid.

reply from: KaylieBee

Tell that to the twenty year olds at my HS

reply from: LiberalChiRo

They are mentally a kid still, obviously.

reply from: nancyu

http://www.physiciansforlife.org/content/view/1403/27/
Click here for kewl stuff...


Tweens & Teens!

Did you click this link to find out about sex?
Good!
What do you want to know?
Other sites may tell you what you think you want to hear, but we will tell you what is medically accurate.
So, which way do you think will really protect you the most?
If you want to hear that having sex is OK for teens, for 20-somethings, or even 30-somethings who are NOT in a life-long committed relationship (that means marriage), think again. Diseases, pregnancy, emotional damage, broken trust, inability to emotionally bond to another person, guilt, depression, suicidal thoughts & attempts are just waiting to visit you in any hooking up you plan -- or allow -- to get involved in.
As much as some want you to believe that we are just like the animals, and that sex is just a pleasurable activity to do anytime, anywhere, with anyone, or with anything, you might want to think about the fact that you can, well, THINK... and REMEMBER.
Do you want to someday meet that person you really love, and realize you need to keep your whole past a secret, because you are ashamed of things you did?
Do you want to spend your whole future regretting your past?
Do you want to marry that special person, and then as you marry and start to make love, you keep having flash-backs of OTHER PEOPLE you had sex with? You won't even be able to enjoy sex with the Love of Your Life because all you can see is other people?
What if the one you love is not as "sexy" as other people you had sex with -- how are you going to forget that those others excited you more, but you LOVE the Love of Your Life?
A very popular speaker tells teens that she is saving her virginity for her honeymoon, with the man of her dreams.
So what if she is not "sexually experienced"?? Who cares??
And she tells her audiences that when she gets married, and they have sex, if they don't get it right the first time, she and her husband will just have sex again, and again, and...well, you get the idea, until they get it right.
Who cares?
It'll be her and her loving spouse who loves her because she is the PERSON she is, not because she is an object to be used.
Most guys, if you ask them pointblank, will admit they want to marry a virgin.
Why would they want to know that other guys had used their wife -- that she was second or third (or fourth) hand?
And most girls, if they think about it, realize that they want to BE virgins, to save themselves for that man of their dreams, so that they can emotionally, spiritually, mentally, AND physically bond together in marriage with that permanent oxytocin "cement" that will help to provide total trust and security for the rest of their lives!
Marriage is not easy! It's a day by day decision to love each other and work together to make this commitment work. But, if the couple lacks a strong foundation of trust and security, their relationship will be ever so much harder!
People who had sex before marriage -- even if they marry the person they had sex with -- have a higher divorce rate than those who waited for the life-long commitment of marriage.
The studies are all out there. You just won't hear them from the mainstream media. They have an agenda and they are pushing it...


You want to know about CONDOMS?
If you want to hear that condoms will protect you from all types of sexually transmitted diseases and infections (STD/STI), go find some other website that treats you like animals in heat and that wants to make money on birth control devices by selling them to you, even though they don't work very well, and you may end up getting a STD/STI.
Condoms even fail to prevent pregnancy, which is what they were developed to stop...
You want to know about BIRTH CONTROL PILLS?
If you want to hear that birth control pills, or the Patch, etc. will protect you from anything other than pregnancy, forget about it. They offer NO protection from any STDs/STIs, and probably INCREASE your risk of acquiring them because they make your body more susceptible to those little bacteria & virus critters.
Not only that, but by using these hormonal birth control methods, you are helping to POLLUTE our water supply! Our sewage plants and water treatment plants have no way to remove hormones from the water, so after they exit your body, they will find their way into the drinking water of both females and males. Many major studies have shown that in several fish populations, the males are becoming female and these fish are not able to reproduce...
And if that isn't eerie enough, we have not done long-term studies to find out exactly what adverse effects the hormonal birth control methods have on the female body. Actually, there are many studies showing a statistically significant correlation between artificial estrogens -- the kinds found in the birth control pill -- and breast cancer.
And have you heard about all those older women who are having so many health problems -- including cancer -- when they are on Hormone Replacement Therapy? Well, guess what? Those are the same types of artificial estrogens found in the birth control pill, most of which are listed by the World Health Organization (WHO) as carcinogenic (that means they cause cancer).
And of course, these hormonal birth control methods, because the levels of estrogen are so low, do allow for break-through ovulation (that means that the egg is actually released from the ovary some months each year). So, if sperm are there, fertilization DOES OCCUR, and then the tiny embryo, which is about 100 cells big by the time it gets to the uterus (womb) about 6-10 days later, cannot attach and so this tiny human being gets chemically aborted.
You're wondering about certain TYPES of sexual activity?
Here's the DEFINITION: it's Sexual Activity if it includes Genital Areas in any way, shape, or form. Period.
Can you get STDs/STIs from these types of sexual activity?
If I tell you that people have Herpes Simplex II in their EYES, and HPV warts in their MOUTH & THROAT, does that answer your question?

Do you want to know what Sex Outside Marriage does to your Emotions?
A report shows that sexually active teens are far more likely to be depressed and to attempt suicide than those who wait until marriage.
More than a quarter (25%) of teen girls who said they were sexually active also said they had been depressed "a lot of the time" or "most or all of the time" in the previous week, compared to only 7.7% of girls who said they weren't sexually active.
And, 60.2% of girls who refrained from sex said they were "never or rarely" depressed; only 36.8 percent of sexually active girls said they were "never or rarely" depressed.
For boys, 8.3% of those who were sexually active reported problems with depression, compared to just 3.4% of boys who were not sexually active.
Girls who were sexually active were 3 times more likely to say they had attempted suicide than those who weren't.
Sexually active boys were nearly 9 times more likely to have attempted suicide.
The majority of teens who had become sexually active admitted they'd started too soon and expressed regret.
[Sex, sadness and suicide, Heritage Fdn., 3Jun2003; datacame from the National Longitudinal Survey of Adolescent Health, 1996, for the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development and 17 other federal agencies. The in-home survey (given with parental permission) interviewed 6,500 people 14-17 years old.]


So, what ELSE do you want to know about sex?


As physicians who care about you
AND about your health
and your future,

here are some things we think you'd want to know...


We believe-
that your parents love you and want the very best for you
even when you think they are trying to destroy your life.
that we don't have to change friends
if we understand that friends change.
that true friendship continues to grow,
even over the longest distance.
Same goes for true love.
that you can do something in an instant
that will give you heartache for life.
that condoms do NOT protect the human heart, and
they also do NOT even protect people from many STDs.

that any person can get pregnant "the first time",
and that any person can get HIV, HPV, Herpes,
Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, and plenty of other STDs
- all "the first time".
that sex causes babies.

that human life, no matter how small, is a precious gift.
the human body and
your innermost being (spiritual)
is programmed as one integrated unit
socially, emotionally, physically, intellectually,
mentally, and spiritually. If you try
to separate the parts, the whole unit messes up.

that you should always leave loved ones
with loving words. It may be the last
time you see them.

that if we choose to let others make decisions
for us, that is really our decision.

that we are responsible for what we do,
no matter how we feel.

that you have the Right to say "NO"!


It's Your YES to Life!

that the "freedom to choose" really means
choosing to kill a tiny innocent human being.

that either you control your attitude
...or it controls you.

that either you control your body
...or it controls you.

that regardless of how hot and
steamy a relationship is at first,
the passion fades and there had
better be something positive and solid to take
its place.

that sexual activity is meant to be
between a man and a woman
in a life-long monogamous relationship.
That is why the best sex is in marriage!
that sex is best in marriage
because it is freely given,
and because it is committed forever.
that sex is best in marriage
because it is based on total trust
between the husband and wife.

that heroes are the people
who do what has to be done
when it needs to be done,
regardless of the consequences.
that money is a lousy way of keeping score.

that sometimes the people you expect
to kick you when you're down,
will be the ones to help you get back up.
that no one, including me, has the the right to be cruel,
or to use another person for my own pleasure.
that maturity has more to do with
what types of experiences you've had
and what you've learned from them
and less to do with how many
birthdays you've celebrated.
that no matter how bad your heart is broken
the world doesn't stop for your grief.

that healing starts
when we start helping others.
that our background and circumstances
may have influenced who we are,
but we are each responsible for who we become.

that just because two people argue,
it doesn't mean they don't love each other
And just because they don't argue,
it doesn't mean they do.
that two people can look at the exact
same thing and see something totally
different.

that your life can be changed in a matter of
hours by people who don't even know you.
that even when you think you have no more
to give, when a friend cries out to you
you will find the strength to help.

that you are the best person to talk to your friends and tell them not to risk their whole future for a few moments of thrill and excitement.
Life is short enough - ask them
why they want to risk
ruining their future with disease, or even death!


that credentials on the wall
do not make you a decent human being.

that people who tell you to use condoms
and the pill, the shot, the patch, etc.
care more about the money they will collect
from these than they do
about your health and well-being.

that chemical contraceptives
pollute female bodies,
that continuous & high doses of hormones
in the Pill, EC (Plan B), etc. will have
negative effects on the well-being of women
who use them.
(We know the dangerous consequences of high dose hormones such as DES and Hormone Replacement Therapy, and we know that all the artificial estrogens used in contraceptives can cause cancer. [World Health Organization])

that people who tell you to have sex
and use birth control are trying to rationalize
their own lack of self-control.
They want to make you act like animals
because that's how they act. Don't fall for it!

WE BELIEVE...
that you are better than that!

You CAN control your hormones
...for the sake of your happiness,
...your health,
...your future,
...your career,
...your spouse,
...your children!


10 Reasons to Wait for Marriage


Creative Dating Ideas


Dressing for Class? Express Your Self!



Abstinence Facts
http://www.physiciansforlife.org/content/category/6/69/27/

What is Abstinence?
http://www.physiciansforlife.org/content/category/6/117/27/

Sex Outside Marriage: Reality Check
http://www.physiciansforlife.org/content/category/6/173/27/

Dating
http://www.physiciansforlife.org/content/category/6/180/27/

http://www.physiciansforlife.org/content/view/1363/27/

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Gee, I had sex outside of marriage and I'm not terribly depressed or traumatized or any other bull***** that site claimed. I LOVE the experience I had. It was wonderful; and I don't regret it at all.

reply from: carolemarie

HMMMM I don't think this is very accurate for most people. The only ones who have "flashbacks" or experience the "split" are sex workers and some who have been sexually abused. It takes severe abuse to cause this.
And if your spouse is all hung up on the number of people you were with before then, they have issues and you should not marry a nutcase....

reply from: scopia1982

So did I, some I regret, others I dont. But I do regret not waiting until I was at least 18 before having sex.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I agree that people should wait until they are legally an adult.

reply from: nancyu

Didn't you say it was the parents' responsibility to teach sex ed on another thread where you objected to sex ed in public schools? Gee, I guess that doesn't apply as long as you agree with what is being "taught," huh?
Yes, I did, and still believe that. If you look up at the topic title, someone was requesting information and links, which I provided. Equinox can take them or leave them as she sees fit. The same goes to the rest of you.
P.S. I don't necessarily agree with all of it. I agree with some of it, and I see nothing wrong with presenting a strong argument for abstinence.

reply from: scopia1982

I wish these kids to day could see the logic in it and take some hard look at the lessons that us "old folks " had to learn the hard way . If they would just not repeat our mistakes.

reply from: nancyu

http://pfli.org/

reply from: BossMomma

If by 30 I still don't want kids, I'm totally going that route.
Doctors don't typically do hysterectomies without a medical cause. It'd be a lot easier to get a non-reversable tubal ligation which is the route I'm going. After Isabelle is born my fallopians will be cut, tied and, the ends cauterized.

reply from: BossMomma

She would be better off getting that information from a Gynocologist than from the internet.

reply from: Cecilia

I waited until marriage and it was horrible and abusive. I would much rather trade my experience in for something else.
I'd be interested to knwo if the correlation between depression, suicide and premarital sex in those instances in that study, those girls had experienced sexual trauma; either before their first consentual experience, or if they never had a consentual experience.
Girls who experience sexual trauma are more likely to be seuxally active at earlier ages and find partners that repeat the trauma.

reply from: BossMomma

True, I will never marry, but that does not mean I wont have sex.

reply from: BossMomma

True, I will never marry, but that does not mean I wont have sex.
Exactly - why should you have to marry to enjoy this connection?
It shouldn't be a must, sex is as normal as breathing and I enjoy it with a trusted partner. My procreation days are over however.

reply from: Nulono

http://www.thepillkills.org/

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I am 100% for hormonal birth control.

reply from: carolemarie

I used to be for abstinence only education, but after hearing some rather well-thought out arguments for education from CP, I have modified by stance to abstinence + (the plus being information about condoms bc )

reply from: nancyu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiCU46_lWeE

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Any good sex ed class is going to include abstinence.

reply from: carolemarie

That is true, and with AIDS and STD's so high, it is wise to let people know how to protect themselves.
But I still think sex for teenagers is a very bad idea, bad for them

reply from: Rosalie

Any good sex ed class is going to include abstinence.
Yes, as a choice that is equally valid to using some form of contraception.

reply from: BossMomma

Any good sex ed class is going to include abstinence.
Yes, as a choice that is equally valid to using some form of contraception.
Contraception is better than abstinance, not everyone has sex willingly and birth control could protect against pregnancy from rape, though STD's are still a threat.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I don't think all women of reproductive age need to be on hormonal bc just in case they get raped. There are side effects and risks to hormonal bc so you can't force it on everyone.

reply from: BossMomma

Where did I say it should be forced on anyone? I believe in comprehensive sex ed, kids should know all their options, not just their parents neat and tidy preference.

reply from: Rosalie

I absolutely agree with you. I'm not a supporter of abstinence (as I don't think it promotes the right values) but I think it should be mentioned in every comprehensive sex ed program because it is a valid choice. I, however, think that contraception should be strongly encouraged and widely available and everything should be done to prevent vilification of contraception (especially from the religious groups) because it is a fact that contraception helps to plan a family and I dare say that you would agree with me that planned and wanted babies are a good thing.

reply from: BossMomma

I absolutely agree with you. I'm not a supporter of abstinence (as I don't think it promotes the right values) but I think it should be mentioned in every comprehensive sex ed program because it is a valid choice. I, however, think that contraception should be strongly encouraged and widely available and everything should be done to prevent vilification of contraception (especially from the religious groups) because it is a fact that contraception helps to plan a family and I dare say that you would agree with me that planned and wanted babies are a good thing.
Planned and wanted babies are a good thing, however, I do not feel that the unplanned should be unwanted. None of my children were planned, as a young adult I did not want children. With my past as an abused child I didn't think I'd be a good mother, I was wrong. I wish more women would give life a chance.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Where did I say it should be forced on anyone? I believe in comprehensive sex ed, kids should know all their options, not just their parents neat and tidy preference.
The way you worded it sounded as if you wanted all women on birth control, since it's so much better than abstinence in cases of rape. I also think that all sex ed programs should include all kinds of birth control.

reply from: BossMomma

Where did I say it should be forced on anyone? I believe in comprehensive sex ed, kids should know all their options, not just their parents neat and tidy preference.
The way you worded it sounded as if you wanted all women on birth control, since it's so much better than abstinence in cases of rape. I also think that all sex ed programs should include all kinds of birth control.
I said that contraception was better than abstinance only, where do you get " everyone should be forced to take hormonal contraception?" Are you feeling okay? Lately your posts are making less and less sense.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Where did I say it should be forced on anyone? I believe in comprehensive sex ed, kids should know all their options, not just their parents neat and tidy preference.
The way you worded it sounded as if you wanted all women on birth control, since it's so much better than abstinence in cases of rape. I also think that all sex ed programs should include all kinds of birth control.
I said that contraception was better than abstinance only, where do you get " everyone should be forced to take hormonal contraception?" Are you feeling okay? Lately your posts are making less and less sense.
I am going off of what you wrote. Maybe it's your posts that are making less sense?

reply from: nancyu

Where did I say it should be forced on anyone? I believe in comprehensive sex ed, kids should know all their options, not just their parents neat and tidy preference.
The way you worded it sounded as if you wanted all women on birth control, since it's so much better than abstinence in cases of rape. I also think that all sex ed programs should include all kinds of birth control.
I said that contraception was better than abstinance only, where do you get " everyone should be forced to take hormonal contraception?" Are you feeling okay? Lately your posts are making less and less sense.
You mean the way a dream makes less and less sense as you awaken more and more?

reply from: BossMomma

Where did I say it should be forced on anyone? I believe in comprehensive sex ed, kids should know all their options, not just their parents neat and tidy preference.
The way you worded it sounded as if you wanted all women on birth control, since it's so much better than abstinence in cases of rape. I also think that all sex ed programs should include all kinds of birth control.
I said that contraception was better than abstinance only, where do you get " everyone should be forced to take hormonal contraception?" Are you feeling okay? Lately your posts are making less and less sense.
I am going off of what you wrote. Maybe it's your posts that are making less sense?
My posts obviously made perfect sense, I wasn't the only one who understood what I wrote.

reply from: Rosalie

Well, unplanned does not have to equal unwanted. It's impossible to force anyone to WANT a baby. I wish all born babies were wanted babies; that's my aim, though it will never be so easy.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

"Contraception is better than abstinance": I read that to mean that young women shouldn't bother being abstinent and just use birth control. The fact is that only abstinence can fully prevent STDs and pregnancy. We're not talking about rape yet.
"not everyone has sex willingly and birth control could protect against pregnancy from rape, though STD's are still a threat": Here is where you make the claim that seems to say that all young women would be better off being on birth control just in case they get raped. You said that birth control is better than abstinence, this I assume to mean that you would like to see most young women using birth control instead of abstaining. And they're doing so just in case they get raped.


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