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the christian slaughter of children

by: BossMomma

Why is it that when ever the subject of the Christian god's slaughter of children and pregnant women is brought up there is a huge silence from the pro-lifers who claim their religion backs them up? Or they change the subject? Interesting indeed.

reply from: Banned Member

The Bible does not advocate the owning of human beings as property.

reply from: BossMomma

And yet again, they are strangely silent. Yet we Pro-choicers are the evil ones, we are in support of the slaughter of babies and fetii. During my term of forced christianity I read so much to the contrary of the all loving christian god. Why wont the christians speak now?

reply from: BossMomma

Yes it does, it even details guidelines on how slaves were to be kept.

reply from: Banned Member

Yes, Sinwiddy, apparently someone failed to be the hell out of you when you were an insolent little brat.

reply from: BossMomma

Yes, Sinwiddy, apparently someone failed to be the hell out of you when you were an insolent little brat.
So it's fine to beat the hell out of children but it's wrong to abort? I guess you figure it's in their best interest to be oppressed and traumatized.

reply from: Cecilia

Except for women, of course.

reply from: BossMomma

Yet we are destined for the pits of hell for killing babies? I've yet to see even one pro-life christian speak about their god's blood lust. Frankly, I think the silence speaks for it'self. Do they truly care about the unborn or is their entire debate stemmed from a desire to control those different from them? Thus far they have proven the latter.

reply from: Cecilia

Except for women, of course.
No, it's OK to own males or females, young or old, but god says females are worth 40-50% less than males.
I stand corrected.
If they are pregnant are they worth more?
If they carry a homosexual fetus, are they worthless...er, worth less?

reply from: lukesmom

What about Wiccan history and human sacrifice?
http://forerunner.com/champion/X0042_What_is_the_Wiccan_r.html

Many of the ancient pagan and Mother Earth cult religions required human sacrifice. Although most witches today deny using human or animal blood sacrifices, cases of witches who used blood letting and sacrifice are replete throughout history even to the present day.
Modern 20th century Wiccans draw their religious ideology from the Mother Earth cults of the Celtic and Nordic peoples of pre-Christian Europe. The word "Wiccan" first appears in an early manuscript of an Anglo-Saxon scribe in the alliterative phrase: wyccan and wælcyrian, "witches and valkyries."1 The word in Old English has masculine and feminine endings and denotes both men and women using magic arts. The word "victim" in English has the same derivation as wycca and originally meant a living human being "set apart" to be sacrificed to a deity.2
The religion is traced to ancient Celtic and Northern German people who practiced human sacrifice. The Roman historian, Tacitus, records that the ancestors of the English speaking peoples, the Angles, sacrificed to the Mother Earth Goddess. In his Germania, "On the Origin and Geography of Germany," Tacitus describes this gruesome ritual as "a ceremony performed by slaves who are immediately afterward drowned in the lake." Some of the victims, astonishingly preserved in peat bogs, are on display in museums in Denmark.3

reply from: smom

as this thread is not 'lumping' the Bible and God into a few verses to misinterpret the whole of christianity?
Luke 8(the sowers parable)
John 3:16

reply from: smom

Yet we are destined for the pits of hell for killing babies? .
THAT is between you and God.

reply from: smom

And yet again, they are strangely silent. Yet we Pro-choicers are the evil ones, we are in support of the slaughter of babies and fetii. During my term of forced christianity I read so much to the contrary of the all loving christian god. Why wont the christians speak now?
Im sorry you had a bad experience in your relationship with God. I hope that your experience didnt permanently create a wedge between you and Him. I pray that someday your heart will soften and you will let Him in. Peace be with you.

reply from: smom

Some 'christians' do not actually behave as christians. Some are not quite there yet. Dont determine christianity by any of us. Its your personal relationship with Him that should be in YOUR foresights.
In the thread it blasts of what man set up as laws.. Look at the laws of today. Many of us will fall to the world's view. But God's view is not to be determined by Man. He will not be boxed in like that. A murderer and a prostitute were saved by Jesus. some of the lowest of the low. His disciples were not 'worthy' to be great men in the eyes of the world! Jesus was considered a great man yet born in a mere manger with animals. All the gold and money of the world could not save us from ourselves. But a mere carpenter named Jesus took our sins to the cross. He took our sins. The Bible talks of the truth. The Good, bad , and D@mn ugly. Its through the entire,....ENTIRE.... DANCE, that we learn of God's love.. That we learn of His anguish, His passion, His hurt, His hatred. What was it ? When Isreal had completely turned away from Him he was as angry as a husband of an adulterous wife.. he wanted NOTHING to do with Isreal. He wanted to be separated from Her. He wanted the other nations to swallow Her up and spit her out! And until then, could he start...START the healing process. I guess, if you dont allow Him in your heart, you will never understand, FULLY what God truely is. Just as us Humans, must walk the walk in life that the angels will never know of. Its through the ENTIRE dance that we see God reveal in His own eyes... that we cannot help ourselves from the sin that fills our hearts and works our minds. The heart is the root of all evil. It took the blood of his only begotten Son to pay the costs of all our sins. It took forgiveness. A love like no other. Promises, repentence, redemption.. There is so much more than this thread has 'fished' out of context. Yes, there is some very ugly laws and outrageous ways to 'rid' the Nation among Nations of evil... But honestly, if they kept going...who would be left??? we all sin, we are ALL sinners. Thank the Lord for Jesus. It took THAT MUCH to reveal how fallen we really are. Peace be with you.

reply from: smom

btw,... I humbly say, I could be very wrong. Its my humble view of my kindergarten Christianity. Dont rely on me for answers, Im a mere human apt to make mistakes. Seek answers for yourselves, please. I dont want to be responsible for steering others in the wrong direction. peace be with you.

reply from: smom

we are all slaves in a sense...
slaves to our sin.
slaves to greed,gluttony, indulgence, corruption,hate,lies,desires,etc..
we are slaves to our paycheck.. we follow rules to keep the income.. they are our paymasters.
we are slaves to our governments
some of us are slaves to our debts..consequences of the past actions.. etc.
God teaches us to not allow these things to set chains upon us..

and THAT is why we should love Him more than our mother, father, and children... He comes first.. or we are sure to fail if we put all our faith into our children alone.. or our spouse alone... How many a times does our spouses fail us? Its too much to put on a person. We should not live our lives to expect greater things from mere humans. How many a children we dote on..only to have them curse us when they grow up.
Of course, I love my hub and children. But, God comes first. He is the center of our family. He directs my paths.
And a 'man cannot have more than one master..' he will love one and hate the other.. etc... (in so many words..) (btw.. i dont always have time to look up these verses.. and it comes flowing out..sorry for the inconvenience)
As long as we keep God in the forefront.. nobody else can 'own' our thoughts..

reply from: BossMomma

You can think of yourself as a slave as you wish, however, no one is truly a slave. We are not slaves to our pay checks as many consume free resourses instead of earning a living. My God and Goddess require respect if you are going to follow them, they do not attempt to control non-followers, they respect that humans have free will. I am not a slave, I love my deities and Choose to keep their teachings, there is no force or fear.

reply from: BossMomma

Do bare in mind that all Wiccans are Pagans, not all Pagans are Wiccans. Many confuse us with Satanic Worship and Dark arts. Human sacrifice is not part of Wicca, nor is animal sacrifice though, animals were sacrificed in the older ways of druidry which is now a dead religion.
When the Romans swept through and murdered the druids there was no one left to continue those ancient teachings. Human sacrifices were popular among South American cultures, the Mayans and Aztecs, these too were left in ruin by christianity during the Inquisition. And, Wicca did not originate in Germany, the Saxons did. I am speaking for Wiccans, not all Pagans.

reply from: lukesmom

Jay Rogers is your source? That would explain a lot....Jay ain't gonna tell ya that there were only a few "Dark" Pagan cults who were reviled as "evil" by most Pagans. Only the "Dark Practitioners" engaged in human sacrifice and the like. Jay doesn't even know what a "Wiccan" is. He just lumps all Pagans together and trashes them all, just as he does everyone and everything that's not "Christian" like him...
Actually, I don't know that much about Pagan religions, just tidbits I have read here and there. So I did a (I admit, brief) search about Wiccan history. I don't know who the "authorities" are and who is pc and who is not. I actually respect and enjoy learning about all religions and other people's views of their religion. What I don't enjoy is others (whatever religion or nonreligion they claim to be) making generalized judgemental statements and/or ignoring the negatives or their own religion while slamming another. Sometimes a little "reminder" is in order. None of us is perfect and none of our religions have a squeeky clean history. So I apologize for a questionable source but the point of the post is the same. Unless you can prove your history is perfect don't trash anothers.

reply from: BossMomma

And yet again, they are strangely silent. Yet we Pro-choicers are the evil ones, we are in support of the slaughter of babies and fetii. During my term of forced christianity I read so much to the contrary of the all loving christian god. Why wont the christians speak now?
Im sorry you had a bad experience in your relationship with God. I hope that your experience didnt permanently create a wedge between you and Him. I pray that someday your heart will soften and you will let Him in. Peace be with you.
I desire no relationship with Yaweh or Jesus, the religion is unbalanced and contradictory. My heart is gentle but wise enough to reject that which is foolish.

reply from: BossMomma

I am challenging christians to explain their obviously not so pro-life God if they insist on using him to damn abortion. Thus far I've seen a few cop outs and a good deal of evasion.

reply from: BossMomma

Yet we are destined for the pits of hell for killing babies? .
THAT is between you and God.
No, it's not. It's between me and his followers since they insist on using him to damn others for their choices.

reply from: lukesmom

Do bare in mind that all Wiccans are Pagans, not all Pagans are Wiccans. Many confuse us with Satanic Worship and Dark arts. Human sacrifice is not part of Wicca, nor is animal sacrifice though, animals were sacrificed in the older ways of druidry which is now a dead religion.
When the Romans swept through and murdered the druids there was no one left to continue those ancient teachings. Human sacrifices were popular among South American cultures, the Mayans and Aztecs, these too were left in ruin by christianity during the Inquisition. And, Wicca did not originate in Germany, the Saxons did. I am speaking for Wiccans, not all Pagans.
And not all christian religions were/are involved in the "slaughter of children". So, lumping every aspect of every religion doesn't make sense, isn't nessesaraly true and often doesn't even pertain to this age. That makes this thread a discriminitory thread in my humble opinion.

reply from: BossMomma

Do bare in mind that all Wiccans are Pagans, not all Pagans are Wiccans. Many confuse us with Satanic Worship and Dark arts. Human sacrifice is not part of Wicca, nor is animal sacrifice though, animals were sacrificed in the older ways of druidry which is now a dead religion.
When the Romans swept through and murdered the druids there was no one left to continue those ancient teachings. Human sacrifices were popular among South American cultures, the Mayans and Aztecs, these too were left in ruin by christianity during the Inquisition. And, Wicca did not originate in Germany, the Saxons did. I am speaking for Wiccans, not all Pagans.
And not all christian religions were/are involved in the "slaughter of children". So, lumping every aspect of every religion doesn't make sense, isn't nessesaraly true and often doesn't even pertain to this age. That makes this thread a discriminitory thread in my humble opinion.
Denominations are all subdivisions of the same religion. You can find the same bible in a catholic church as you can a baptist church and all christian leaders teach from that bible which started christianity in the first place. That bible shows your all loving god for the tyrant he is and yet, the christians turn a blind eye to it frequently and continue blindly damning away.

reply from: lukesmom

And worship of the goddess began with pagan worship and not only condoned but required human sacrifice for abundant crops. Take a look at Celtic history. Wiccan history shows your all loving goddess for the tyrant she is and yet, witches turn a blind eye to it frequenty and continue blindly damning away.

reply from: BossMomma

Where's the human Sacrifice?
http://journals.aol.com/crystia214/Onedayatatime/entries/2006/10/30/samhain-lore-october-31st/869

Samhain, (pronounced SOW-in, SAH-vin, or SAM-hayne) means "End of Summer", and is the third and final Harvest. The dark winter half of the year commences on this Sabbat.
It is generally celebrated on October 31st, but some traditions prefer November 1st. It is one of the two "spirit-nights" each year, the other being Beltane. It is a magical interval when the mundane laws of time and space are temporarily suspended, and the Thin Veil between the worlds is lifted. Communicating with ancestors and departed loved ones is easy at this time, for they journey through this world on their way to the Summerlands. It is a time to study the Dark Mysteries and honor the Dark Mother and the Dark Father, symbolized by the Crone and her aged Consort.
Originally the "Feast of the Dead" was celebrated in Celtic countries by leaving food offerings on altars and doorsteps for the "wandering dead". Today a lot of practitioners still carry out that tradition. Single candles were lit and left in a window to help guide the spirits of ancestors and loved ones home. Extra chairs were set to the table and around the hearth for the unseen guest. Apples were buried along roadsides and paths for spirits who were lost or had no descendants to provide for them. Turnips were hollowed out and carved to look like protective spirits, for this was a night of magic and chaos. The Wee Folke became very active, pulling pranks on unsuspecting humans. Traveling after dark was was not advised. People dressed in white (like ghosts), wore disguises made of straw, or dressed as the opposite gender in order to fool the Nature spirits.
This was the time that the cattle and other livestock were slaughtered for eating in the ensuing winter months. Any crops still in the field on Samhain were considered taboo, and left as offerings to the Nature spirits. Bonfires were built, (originally called bone-fires, for after feasting, the bones were thrown in the fire as offerings for healthy and plentiful livestock in the New Year) and stones were marked with peoples names. Then they were thrown into the fire, to be retrieved in the morning. The condition of the retrieved stone foretold of that person's fortune in the coming year. Hearth fires were also lit from the village bonfire to ensure unity, and the ashes were spread over the harvested fields to protect and bless the land.
Various other names for this Greater Sabbat are Third Harvest, Samana, Day of the Dead, Old Hallowmas (Scottish/Celtic), Vigil of Saman, Shadowfest (Strega), and Samhuinn. Also known as All Hallow's Eve, (that day actually falls on November 7th), and Martinmas (that is celebrated November 11th), Samhain is now generally considered the Witch's New Year.
Symbolism of Samhain:
Third Harvest, the Dark Mysteries, Rebirth through Death.
Symbols of Samhain:
Gourds, Apples, Black Cats, Jack-O-Lanterns, Besoms.
Herbs of Samhain:
Mugwort, Allspice, Broom, Catnip, Deadly Nightshade, Mandrake, Oak leaves, Sage and Straw.
Foods of Samhain:
Turnips, Apples, Gourds, Nuts, Mulled Wines, Beef, Pork, Poultry.
Incense of Samhain:
Heliotrope, Mint, Nutmeg.
Colors of Samhain:
Black, Orange, White, Silver, Gold.
Stones of Samhain:
All Black Stones, preferably jet or obsidian.
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reply from: Cecilia

Just like other religions followed today. *cough* Christianty *cough*

reply from: lukesmom

Just like other religions followed today. *cough* Christianty *cough*
My point exactly. So why point fingers at christianity when paganism was guilty of the same?

reply from: lukesmom

More of above plus other info re: Celtic beliefs. I am sure someone will tell me if this is a less than desirable source. If so Sorry in advance.
http://gallery.sjsu.edu/sacrifice/celt.html

reply from: BossMomma

Just like other religions followed today. *cough* Christianty *cough*
My point exactly. So why point fingers at christianity when paganism was guilty of the same?
Because there are many pagan gods and only one christian god who is not pro-life, yet he is used as an advocate for such. My Goddess advocates letting people choose their own path, therefore she is pro-choice and I can practice what I preach.

reply from: Cecilia

Are pagans are trying to enact country wide laws that support discrimination based on their religion?

reply from: BossMomma

Are pagans are trying to enact country wide laws that support discrimination based on their religion?
Newp, Live and let to live, fairly take and fairly give.

reply from: lukesmom

Just like other religions followed today. *cough* Christianty *cough*
My point exactly. So why point fingers at christianity when paganism was guilty of the same?
Because there are many pagan gods and only one christian god who is not pro-life, yet he is used as an advocate for such. My Goddess advocates letting people choose their own path, therefore she is pro-choice and I can practice what I preach.
How can a person "choose their own path" when they are killed before being given the chance to choose? If that is what your goddess "teaches" then she has blood on her hands, the blood of the unborn.
Show me proof "my" God condones killing the unborn?

reply from: BossMomma

Just like other religions followed today. *cough* Christianty *cough*
My point exactly. So why point fingers at christianity when paganism was guilty of the same?
Because there are many pagan gods and only one christian god who is not pro-life, yet he is used as an advocate for such. My Goddess advocates letting people choose their own path, therefore she is pro-choice and I can practice what I preach.
How can a person "choose their own path" when they are killed before being given the chance to choose? If that is what your goddess "teaches" then she has blood on her hands, the blood of the unborn.
So you are saying all those who abort worship my Goddess? You are lying again, nasty habit of yours.

reply from: lukesmom

Just like other religions followed today. *cough* Christianty *cough*
My point exactly. So why point fingers at christianity when paganism was guilty of the same?
Because there are many pagan gods and only one christian god who is not pro-life, yet he is used as an advocate for such. My Goddess advocates letting people choose their own path, therefore she is pro-choice and I can practice what I preach.
How can a person "choose their own path" when they are killed before being given the chance to choose? If that is what your goddess "teaches" then she has blood on her hands, the blood of the unborn.
So you are saying all those who abort worship my Goddess? You are lying again, nasty habit of yours.
Please show me where I said that. ASS umptions on your part again.

reply from: BossMomma

Just like other religions followed today. *cough* Christianty *cough*
My point exactly. So why point fingers at christianity when paganism was guilty of the same?
Because there are many pagan gods and only one christian god who is not pro-life, yet he is used as an advocate for such. My Goddess advocates letting people choose their own path, therefore she is pro-choice and I can practice what I preach.
How can a person "choose their own path" when they are killed before being given the chance to choose? If that is what your goddess "teaches" then she has blood on her hands, the blood of the unborn.
So you are saying all those who abort worship my Goddess? You are lying again, nasty habit of yours.
Please show me where I said that. ASS umptions on your part again.
See your above post, I even put it in bold for you so you couldn't miss it.

reply from: lukesmom

Please show me where I said that. ASS umptions on your part again.
Still waiting... which seems to be the "same old" when it comes to you. If you are going to call someone a "liar" you better be very sure of your accusation and be able to back it up. So again

reply from: lukesmom

How can a person "choose their own path" when they are killed before being given the chance to choose? If that is what your goddess "teaches" then she has blood on her hands, the blood of the unborn.
Ok, I am willing to play along with your delusions dispite the fact I have never equated any particular religion with condoning abortion much less thinking that every women who has an abortion is active in one particular religion. Nowhere in the above do I even insinuate that all women who abort worship your goddess. In truth I am still confused in how you came to that conclusion from the above. Now I gotta go spend some time with the kiddies as worked the last 2 days and school starts tomorrow. I'll be back tonight or tomorrow so expect to hear your answers to my "facts" posted on other threads. Bye.

reply from: KaylieBee

I actually yelled out 'eww' when I read that. That's so sickening.

reply from: jujujellybean

Are pagans are trying to enact country wide laws that support discrimination based on their religion?
uh yah. why do pro choice people always discriminate against the unborn who dies daily?

reply from: BossMomma

Are pagans are trying to enact country wide laws that support discrimination based on their religion?
uh yah. why do pro choice people always discriminate against the unborn who dies daily?
Why do pro-lifers get abortions then go picket an abortion clinic?

reply from: BossMomma

Backed out again I see. Boss-3 Lukesmom- 0

reply from: BossMomma

Funny, I still see nothing but cop outs from the christians. None among the christian pro-lifers want to explain how their god can be pro-life and still condone the slaughter of babies, including the oh so precious unborn. I'd say us choicers won this battle.

reply from: Jameberlin

Now see.. this is why i'm in a faith crisis.
I see a lot of what is in the bible as using God as an excuse to commit inhuman acts. The Christian God of the New Testament, and the Jewish God of the Old Testament are two, very different Gods...
The Jews believe themselves to be the chosen people, therefore it is only Jewish lives that are accorded any special treatment. If you note, none of the people God "commanded" the slaughter of were "innocent" Jews.
Catholics Christians, at least, recognize this as a fundamental difference between themselves and the Jews of the old testament... While they embrace the the bible as a guide to living a good and moral life, they reject it's teaching that such a life would include murder, infanticide, slavery, abuse or child molestation. This is an issue a lot of protestants take with Catholics, that they don't place as much emphasis on the bible as most other denominations do...
I wonder if when God created Adam and said "it was good" that meant, that because Adam was first among God's chosen that his descendants could do anything in God's name... and it would be good.
My personal views on abortion come first from my respect for all life, and second from my Christian upbringing... but then, it could be argued that i'm not a very good Christian... soooo.....

reply from: gettinafterlefty

You people that are against the Christian religion--if I could ask you a question. What religion if any do you practice?

reply from: Cecilia

I'm not against the Christian religion so long as it stays out of legislation that discriminates against others, such as laws regarding homosexual marriages.
I am agnostic.

reply from: lukesmom

Show me where God condones the slaughter of babies today.

reply from: lukesmom

Backed out again I see. Boss-3 Lukesmom- 0
Backed out? My kids and my time with them are more important than "conversing" with the likes of you. You may rather spend all your time here instead of with your kids but that's just you. You also haven't answered my question...again.
LUKESMOM: 100
BOSSY:0 most likely because she can't defend her OPINIONS and would rather throw stones.

reply from: BossMomma

Show me where God condones the slaughter of babies today.
God doesn't say anything these days, man's law overrides him . There's another evasion.

reply from: BossMomma

Several people in this thread have provided direct Biblical quotes that show Biblical support for child abuse, pedophilia, slavery, female oppression and the slaughter of children.
Why are you ignoring these?
Because if she acknowledged them she'd have to admit she's full of crap.

reply from: lukesmom

Show me where God condones the slaughter of babies today.
In the Bible.
God hasn't said anything 'today'.
Of course He has and none of it has anything to do with slaughtering children, silly woman!

reply from: lukesmom

Several people in this thread have provided direct Biblical quotes that show Biblical support for child abuse, pedophilia, slavery, female oppression and the slaughter of children.
Why are you ignoring these?
Because if she acknowledged them she'd have to admit she's full of crap.
Actually, I am not biblically inclined and don't examine and try to interpit. I am more seeing God in today's society and in my own life. I also believe God can make judgements all by Himself and doesn't need me to help Him. I also don't believe abortion is necessarily a religious issue but rather an issue of protecting the helpless and voiceless.

reply from: Cecilia

I just read your story, lukesmom, about Lucas and I am sorry you had to go through it.

reply from: lukesmom

So do you think homosexuality is wrong?
Actually, sexuality between two consenting ADULTs is none of my business and is between them and God. As long as they aren't having sex in public (that goes for heteralsexuals too, know I spelled that wrong, sorry), I don't care what another does in their "bedroom". We actually have several homosexual friends and neighbors. They don't care what our sexual preferences are and we don't care what theirs are. OK? Have you EVER seen me post anything nasty about this OR about another's religion or lack of religion other than questions for learning purposes? I don't like to be judged for my religion and beliefs and I don't judge others for theirs.

reply from: lukesmom

Thank you but I am sooo glad we did have Luke, if even for a short time. I wouldn't be what I am today if we wouldn't have had Luke and if he didn't have anencephaly.
God speaks to us everyday, but most of the time, none of us stop to listen...

reply from: lukesmom

I haven't seen you post one way or another on the topic, hence why I asked!
I wanted to know if you were another of these people who use scripture to oppose homosexuality.
LOL! I don't read the bible and COULDN'T use scripture if I wanted to! Now I bet I'm gonna hear about that, I have before but am very confident in my faith and my God so can handle the critisism. Lord, (prayer) I wish I could spell but I am as You made me!

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

What I'm trying to point out to these people is that if you can abolish something that was once scripturally okay (like slavery) then why can't they change their minds on homosexuality?
They'll freely quote scripture saying that homosexuality is wrong, but they will ignore scripture that says slavery is right! This kind of hypocrisy is just so outrageous - it needs to be challenged.
I'm reminded on the 'Cafeteria Catholic' analogy - they pick and choose the things they like from the Bible and leave the things they don't like.
Either it is ALL true, ALL lies or it's a mish-mash of ideas that can be revised and thrown away when they have been found to be morally abhorrent (like slavery).
I totally get that, and I agree with you.
Did you know that, according to Hebraic tradition, "the word of God" does not necessarily imply that "God" has spoken directly? "God" was assumed to be part of everything and everybody, and many "spoke" for God through revelation. Not just prophets, either. Laws enacted by worldly leaders were considered divine, or "God's laws," but we can't know that there was actually any "divine influence" at all other than in the sense that if "God" created us, made us as we are, and is responsible for the way we think, everything we think is indirectly "inspired by God."
It seems obvious to me that religion has been used to control the masses, and I don't think this has always been detrimental. Of course, that would depend on whether the leaders of a people really had the interests of the people as their primary concern, or their own...Either way, they are only human, and subject to err. I believe it is a mistake to accept the assertions of others as authoritative simply because they claim to be divinely inspired. God/nature provided us with minds capable of reason, and a sense of "right and wrong," and we must understand that what might have been prudent or acceptable in 2000 BC will not necessarily be in 2000 AD. Also, as I pointed out, "Biblical laws" might very well have been implemented in order to serve the interests of ambitious rulers, and may not have come from "God" at all.
I think everyone should put more emphasis on what is "written" in their own hearts, and decide what is "right and wrong" based on their hearts (conscience?) and their own reasoning and sense of fair play. There is too much inconsistency in the Bible to accept it as authoritative in my view, and why should we anyway? If you believe God inspires men, seek your own inspiration. That's what Jesus did (allegedly). He clearly rejected the laws of men deemed to have been "divinely inspired" whenever they contradicted what was in his heart, if the histories are to be trusted at all, and clearly despised the Pharisees and Saducees. I think he would be disappointed in his followers who blindly follow what is written, proclaiming every word to be "God breathed," inerrant, and/or absolute truth...
Cafeteria Christianity? In my mind, it's all or none. If I found I disagreed with portions of the Bible, why take any of it seriously? I would ignore the whole thing. As a conscientious objector, I waffled on accepting Christianity for many years because of the violence in the Books of Moses. The entering into the promised land and disinheriting the then current residents is a prophecy, I believe, of how many in our future worldwide society will be disinherited when the Kingdom of God moves in to stay and the meek inherit the earth.

reply from: BossMomma

I haven't seen you post one way or another on the topic, hence why I asked!
I wanted to know if you were another of these people who use scripture to oppose homosexuality.
LOL! I don't read the bible and COULDN'T use scripture if I wanted to! Now I bet I'm gonna hear about that, I have before but am very confident in my faith and my God so can handle the critisism. Lord, (prayer) I wish I could spell but I am as You made me!
So why'd you bother jumping in?

reply from: lukesmom

Jumping into what? You have got some serious communication issues here girl.

reply from: 4given

Jericho? "..he shall lay the foundation thereof in his firstborn, and in his youngest son shall he set up the gates of it. " (Josh 6:26) Were these children sacrificed and their bodies buried in the foundation and also at the gate? Do you have an understanding as to the time frame involved? It (the scenario) has been called "Joshua's curse". I understood that the children were sacrificed before the battle. Curious.

reply from: BossMomma

Jumping into what? You have got some serious communication issues here girl.
I'm just not used to trying to communicate with a certifiable idiot.

reply from: lukesmom

Jumping into what? You have got some serious communication issues here girl.
I'm just not used to trying to communicate with a certifiable idiot.
I wonder why you bother to follow me around and ask me stupid questions but refuse to answer any of the questions regarding abortion that I have asked you? Maybe because you can't????

reply from: lukesmom

Just what I thought, can't answer, run away. Sheesh, no fun at all and not worth wasting my time anymore.

reply from: BossMomma

Jumping into what? You have got some serious communication issues here girl.
I'm just not used to trying to communicate with a certifiable idiot.
I wonder why you bother to follow me around and ask me stupid questions but refuse to answer any of the questions regarding abortion that I have asked you? Maybe because you can't????
Uh, dimwit, you posted on my thread, not the other way around. You're following me.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

So do you wear tassles on the corners of all your clothes?
Do you stone adulterers?
Do you think it is okay for someone to sell their daughter into slavery?
Have you built a rail around the top of your house?
Have you ever worn mixed woolen and linen clothing?
The Bible is a parable. Physical examples illustrate, are a shadow of, or prophecy of the spiritual.
I do not wear tassles as a reminder to always think on God's law constantly in making all decisions.
Law & forgiveness (Sacrifice) are side by side. Adulterers should receive a fine, penalty or jail time. Some mercy is in order.
Men no longer follow the old customs of indenturing themselves as slaves for six years for economic consideration from an employer. We are much more free in our contracts today. We still are "slaves" to a degree to employers and creditors; but conditions are better today.
Bulding a railing around a flat topped house where the roof is used as living space is a necessary safety precaution to avoid one falling to their death. We put fences around construction holes, don't we?
In examining the Old Testament verse, "You shall not muzzle the ox as he is grinding out the harvest" Paul asked, "Does this mean God really is concerned about the well-being of oxen. No, Paul said it was a parable that ministers should make their living from the ministry. Does God care if our clothing is of two mixed materials? Nay, I say this is a parable about mixing two species (half man - half pig for example).

reply from: 4given

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe1dAd3CmsE

reply from: BossMomma

Well, the bible failed to explain to him about genetics and how two completely different species can't interbreed..

reply from: lukesmom

Jumping into what? You have got some serious communication issues here girl.
I'm just not used to trying to communicate with a certifiable idiot.
I wonder why you bother to follow me around and ask me stupid questions but refuse to answer any of the questions regarding abortion that I have asked you? Maybe because you can't????
Uh, dimwit, you posted on my thread, not the other way around. You're following me.
Last I knew this was a public forum and didn't know there were certain threads off limits. God Lord you are a nut case! LOL! dimwit? Take a look in the mirror. You have to be the stupidest person I have ever seen on these boards and that is a leap as we have had alot of real idiots. Now, I have actual abortion topics to talk to others about so unless you answer my questions (previously asked and ignored) about abortion I am no longer wasting my time with you as you have now gone over to boring. As I don't expect any answers to the above mentioned questions, would like to say it's been nice knowing you but I don't lie.

reply from: BossMomma

Jumping into what? You have got some serious communication issues here girl.
I'm just not used to trying to communicate with a certifiable idiot.
I wonder why you bother to follow me around and ask me stupid questions but refuse to answer any of the questions regarding abortion that I have asked you? Maybe because you can't????
Uh, dimwit, you posted on my thread, not the other way around. You're following me.
Last I knew this was a public forum and didn't know there were certain threads off limits. God Lord you are a nut case! LOL! dimwit? Take a look in the mirror. You have to be the stupidest person I have ever seen on these boards and that is a leap as we have had alot of real idiots. Now, I have actual abortion topics to talk to others about so unless you answer my questions (previously asked and ignored) about abortion I am no longer wasting my time with you as you have now gone over to boring. As I don't expect any answers to the above mentioned questions, would like to say it's been nice knowing you but I don't lie.
Yes you do, you also duck and dodge and run when cornered. However I don't have to stoop to your level and keep trying to have a reasonable conversation with an unreasonable person. Good bye.

reply from: Jameberlin

Well, the bible failed to explain to him about genetics and how two completely different species can't interbreed..
Actually they can (horse/donkey), they just cannot produce viable offspring.
Horses and donkey produce animals referred to as mules (mare and stallion ass) and hinneys (stallion and mare ass) who are perfectly viable and usually sterile, but not always. And while horses and donkeys may be considered different species, they're still in the same genus, which is why they can breed, just like lions and tigers... They are genetically similar enough to produce healthy hybrid young, who may or may not have the ability to reproduce themselves.
Lions and horses, like pigs and men, however can never breed, because they belong not only to different genus, but different families. That's basic taxonomy.

reply from: BossMomma

Well, the bible failed to explain to him about genetics and how two completely different species can't interbreed..
Actually they can (horse/donkey), they just cannot produce viable offspring.
A horse and a donkey are subspecies like a lion and a tiger interbred creates a liger or tigron, however it always creates a sterile hybrid. A man doesn't have anything genetically to do with a pig (though sometimes I wonder).

reply from: yoda

I notice you never did answer my question that I repeated so many times, so I'll repeat it one more time: Do you now understand that it takes only one definition of a word (with multiple definitions) to validate a usage of that word?

reply from: lukesmom

I notice you never did answer my question that I repeated so many times, so I'll repeat it one more time: Do you now understand that it takes only one definition of a word (with multiple definitions) to validate a usage of that word?
Yoda, she doesn't answer questions. She just rants or hides. Fair warning, but you probably knew this already.

reply from: yoda

Yeah, I know...... she's a "hit and run" poster.....

reply from: lukesmom

Oh, oh, now she's gonna be mad and sic her cheerleaders on us! I am so shaking in my proverbial boots!

reply from: BossMomma

I notice you never did answer my question that I repeated so many times, so I'll repeat it one more time: Do you now understand that it takes only one definition of a word (with multiple definitions) to validate a usage of that word?
That's because I'm against beating a dead horse, I explained it to you before in a way that any intelligent human being would understand. If you're too dense to get it I'm not going to waste anymore time on you.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

I'm jumping in here way late due to absence, but this is a good source of information about Wicca:
http://www.wicca.com/celtic/wicca/wicca.htm

Go ahead and read it, it won't hurt you.

reply from: BossMomma

As opposed to Yoda, who LIES about putting people on ignore when they ask questions to tough for him.
LOLZ!
Yoda is quite a piece of.....work, a perfectly logical point is put before him and he side steps it to argue the use of a word. When it's clear he isn't being payed attention to anymore he follows you around and accuses you of hiding or side stepping. Frankly I wonder at his level of maturity, Lukesmom is so similar and, where yoda goes she is sure to follow. Sometimes I wonder if they are the same person.

reply from: yoda

You know, that horse must have escaped my attention.... could you repeat it, or tell me where to find it?

reply from: yoda

Why, thank you!! I can say the same about you, as well!

reply from: BossMomma

Why, thank you!! I can say the same about you, as well!
You can say what ever pops into your little brain kiddo, ain't choice grand?

reply from: lukesmom

As opposed to Yoda, who LIES about putting people on ignore when they ask questions to tough for him.
LOLZ!
Yoda is quite a piece of.....work, a perfectly logical point is put before him and he side steps it to argue the use of a word. When it's clear he isn't being payed attention to anymore he follows you around and accuses you of hiding or side stepping. Frankly I wonder at his level of maturity, Lukesmom is so similar and, where yoda goes she is sure to follow. Sometimes I wonder if they are the same person.
Hey Yoda! A couple months ago Sander was you wife and I was your girlfriend and soooo jealous of Sander. Then I guess I became your cheerleader and now you and I are the same people! LOL, I wish Sander was here to read this, she would die laughing...again! Remember what I said about Bossy Moo, Moo and ranting. Here's a case in point! Here's to you boyfriend.... my other self... or whatever! Ain't we grand, the proaborts don't like us. LOL,
Hey! Where are you going next so I can follow? Oh right! I am you OR are you me? Giggle, snort! I'd write more but tooo busy laughing! LOL

reply from: nancyu

As opposed to Yoda, who LIES about putting people on ignore when they ask questions to tough for him.
LOLZ!
Yoda is quite a piece of.....work, a perfectly logical point is put before him and he side steps it to argue the use of a word. When it's clear he isn't being payed attention to anymore he follows you around and accuses you of hiding or side stepping. Frankly I wonder at his level of maturity, Lukesmom is so similar and, where yoda goes she is sure to follow. Sometimes I wonder if they are the same person.
Hey Yoda! A couple months ago Sander was you wife and I was your girlfriend and soooo jealous of Sander. Then I guess I became your cheerleader and now you and I are the same people! LOL, I wish Sander was here to read this, she would die laughing...again! Remember what I said about Bossy Moo, Moo and ranting. Here's a case in point! Here's to you boyfriend.... my other self... or whatever! Ain't we grand, the proaborts don't like us. LOL,
Hey! Where are you going next so I can follow? Oh right! I am you OR are you me? Giggle, snort! I'd write more but tooo busy laughing! LOL
Oh--oh yoda, I think you are you're own girlfriend!

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Jesus, as the Word, is the author of the Bible. He told his students he never spoke without using a parable so that people like you would not be able to understand him. But he said his students were blessed because they could see and hear clearly....while your hearing and seeing, your perception of Christ's message, is minimal.
Biology is limited to historical and present realities you say? Christ and His Father agreed that if men started working together there was nothing they could not do...the sky's the limit (they said this while man was building the tower of Babel). God purposely set mankind back by dispersing them. Men will eventually be able to use genetic manipulation to create some very different kinds of beasts. Don't human ears grow on the backs of mice? Aren't scientists trying, by adding human DNA, to get a pig heart to be an acceptable substitute for needed human transplants? I believe the Bible advises us not to go beyond God's original design limits.

reply from: lukesmom

OMG! I just fell off my chair laughing. Dear Lord Nancy, I'm crying laughing!

reply from: lukesmom

My thoughts also.
All seemed rather forced to me.
"forced?" nay, tickled my funny bone and you have to know the "background" from a few months ago. Sorry but inside joke, I guess.


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