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The Bible is Truth!

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by: sweet

the Bible is truth! we should live by it and teach it to our children! if not, what will we live by and teach to our children?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Maybe we can teach OUR morals and not other people's morals who died over two thousand years ago?

reply from: sweet

Originally posted by: spinwiddy
Yes, teach your children this:
In defense of Biblical marriage
The Presidential Prayer Team is currently urging us to: "Pray for
the President as he seeks wisdom on how to legally codify the
definition of marriage...." So here, in support of the Prayer Team's
admirable goals, is a proposed Constitutional Amendment
codifying marriage entirely on biblical principles:
A. Marriage in the United States shall consist of a union between
one man and one or more women. (Gen 29:17-28; II Sam 3:2-5)
B. Marriage shall not impede a man's right to take concubines in
addition to his wife or wives. (II Sam 5:13; I Kings 11:3; II Chron
11:21)
C. A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a
virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed. (Deut
22:13-21)
LOL LOL...*laughs out loud*

reply from: sweet

*smiles*
*shakes head*

reply from: sweet

what can i say, you're right, i have no valid argument....and the Bible doesn't count as 'supporting my beliefs' according to you.....*scratches head*
for some reason, i STILL desire to read it, believe it and teach it....
by the way, you call me "Christian?"
THANKS for the compliment!!!( that's one of the BEST names i've ever been called)

reply from: sweet

????are you talking about Jesus..if so.......Jesus is the reason we are forgiven for our sins....if we believe and ask.....
(John 3:16) for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

reply from: sweet

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<~
I KNOW!!!!!!!
All that biblical craps cracks me up, too!
my laughing seems to have confused you...i do laugh at many comedians...that is a true talent that many have....i've been known to laugh even while being verbally attacked because it's expected....
(Rom 5:3) "And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience."

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

I agree 100% with what you said.
However, most in society reject what you just said. You will receive many hostile postings against what you said. They will laugh and mock and not take you seriously. CP says you shouldn't take your position so seriously. CP is wrong.
The American society is sick, greatly diseased. They have gone the way of lawlessness. They have rejected God's Way and choosen for themselves a myriad of crooked winding paths that produce poor results, eventually ending in death.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

The depravity that Americans have gone to is expressed in a new country song by Kid Rock about a "special" summer. I believe it's a top hit. It is about a guy who spends his summer at the beach doing drugs, alcohol and illicit sex: saying he didn't give a care about tomorrow. Instead of concealing that he is a worthless low life, he's proudly singing about it!

reply from: BossMomma

Did you know that most white supremesist groups are christian, they believe that god made them the supreme race and that any outsiders are unclean and inferior. Interesting fact about the oh so holy world of christianity.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

CP says no such thing, therefore CP now says GL2L has lied again.
I was referencing your 6:17 pm post in this thread. Sweet had confidence in her position. You think she is on her high self-righteous horse smirking, etc. with no real defense. Is she really suppose to launch into a long-winded thorough defense when someone says the Bible is a fairy tale? I believe that would be a poor use of her time. The one who thinks it's a fairy tale needs to research it himself.
I'll tell you you are wrong; but I won't spend hours developing arguments on this forum. I know you CEO types are really into it; but some of us have limited time resources that must be allocated between many different competing needs.
I believe you consider a position that is not defended to the nth degree as something that is not to be taken seriously.

reply from: sweet

CP says no such thing, therefore CP now says GL2L has lied again.
I was referencing your 6:17 pm post in this thread. Sweet had confidence in her position. You think she is on her high self-righteous horse smirking, etc. with no real defense. Is she really suppose to launch into a long-winded thorough defense when someone says the Bible is a fairy tale? I believe that would be a poor use of her time. The one who thinks it's a fairy tale needs to research it himself.
I'll tell you you are wrong; but I won't spend hours developing arguments on this forum. I know you CEO types are really into it; but some of us have limited time resources that must be allocated between many different competing needs.
I believe you consider a position that is not defended to the nth degree as something that is not to be taken seriously.
you are 100% correct.

reply from: sweet

concerning the Bible - God's Holy Word - if we read it more, we will learn alot!

reply from: Cecilia

Yes, it tells us that slavery is fine and that beating a slave to death is also fine - so long as the slave takes a couple of days to die.
It doesn't matter, Vexing, you cannot win. You cannot apply reality and logic to people who believe in fairy tales. It's either the interpretation is wrong, god didn't mean it like that, 'you just don't understand', they just ignore the facts presented and stick their heads in the sand, yadda yadda yadda.
Sweet can be a bible believer all she wants, I don't care. It's the infringement on others that is so offensive. The support of a theocracy. The use of a 2000 year old text to justify discrimination and hatred.

reply from: Cecilia

I don't understand if you are responding to my post but that is far from what I said or meant.
Don't discriminate against Christians; fight against legislation with the background in Christian religion that discriminates against others.

reply from: Jameberlin

Yes, it tells us that slavery is fine and that beating a slave to death is also fine - so long as the slave takes a couple of days to die.
It doesn't matter, Vexing, you cannot win. You cannot apply reality and logic to people who believe in fairy tales. It's either the interpretation is wrong, god didn't mean it like that, 'you just don't understand', they just ignore the facts presented and stick their heads in the sand, yadda yadda yadda.
Sweet can be a bible believer all she wants, I don't care. It's the infringement on others that is so offensive. The support of a theocracy. The use of a 2000 year old text to justify discrimination and hatred.
You're equating the compilation of the bible to the beginning of Christianity, which is not truth.
The old testament, specifically, the Torah were oral traditions passed down from the Jews thousands of years before Christ ever lived. No one knows when they were compiled, but it's speculated maybe 5-7,000 years ago. No one knows when exactly any of the books were written, actually... and theory is some of the gospels weren't even written until almost 200 years after Christ. The bible, as we see it now, was compiled centuries after Christianity first began...
And it's not just Christians who believe in the bible, the Jews and Muslims do too, but i see no one talking about how they believe in, and support a book that promotes taking child brides, slaves, concubines, etc. Both those religions preach homosexuality as a great evil, polygamy is even advocated by Islam (although no one is forced to practice it)....
I wonder if it's because those two religions have a greater allowance for abortion?
If we're discriminating in one group of people for believing in an outdated book that teaches intolerance and hatred, we should discriminate against all people who hold belief in said outdated book that teaches intolerance and hatred. Otherwise we're just as guilty of hypocrisy as those pro-life Christians... aren't we?
I understand, Cecilia, that you are not advocating discrimination... the above are just my thoughts on it in regards to the bible.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

I certainly do seek to expose whatever is damaging. Sodomy should always be considered inappropriate and damaging. With Islam, I have a problem with it's founders. A Satanic fellow named Allah and a murderer named Muhammad. Not every Muslim will be a true convert like Osama bin Laden. I am concerned with those who get ensnared in Islam the way Muhammad and Allah intended it to be practiced. Well, make that the way Allah intended it to be practiced; he's the brains behind the deal and Muhammad was only the brainless muscle. Following is an article on "Honor Killings"; an abmonination that arises because of women not following centuries old traditions.

Pakistan Opens Investigation Into 'Honor Killings' of Five Women
Monday, September 01, 2008
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ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Pakistan opened an investigation Monday into the killings of five women who tried to choose their own husbands, after a provincial lawmaker defended their deaths as a "centuries-old tradition."
The women, three of whom were teenagers, were shot, thrown into a ditch and buried alive more than a month ago in what authorities have said they suspect were "honor killings." Authorities say they have arrested three relatives of the women in connection with their deaths.
It is considered an insult in some conservative regions of Pakistan for women to have affairs or marry without consent, and rights groups say hundreds are killed by male relatives every year.
The killings - which apparently occurred after the women defied tribal elders and asked a civil court to marry at least three of them - were raised in Parliament on Friday, prompting a lawmaker from Baluchistan province to claim that "only those who indulge in immoral acts should be afraid."
"These are centuries-old traditions and I will continue to defend them," Israr Ullah Zehri, who represents the province where the women died, told the chamber on Saturday.
His remarks - even more than the killings themselves - outraged his fellow lawmakers and spurred protests as well as promises of an investigation.
The highest court in the largely tribal region ordered an inquiry Monday as Parliament demanded that the perpetrators be brought to justice. Asif Warraich, Baluchistan's police chief, announced the same day that three suspects were arrested, adding they were related to the victims and had allegedly confessed.
About 60 activists demonstrated outside the federal Parliament in Islamabad on Monday, shouting "Burying women alive is no honor!"
"We condemn this barbaric act," said Mohammed Ibrahim, a senator for the Islamist Jamaat-e-Islami party. "This is against Islam, against humanity and against civilized culture."
Sanaullah Baloch, a nationalist leader from Baluchistan, denied that such brutal justice was embedded in local culture.
He blamed the government for failing to provide better health and education services to women and girls in the southwestern province, which remains impoverished despite rich mineral resources.
"Socially and economically marginalized society is always frustrated," Baloch told Dawn News television Monday.
Human rights groups say the women were abducted at gunpoint by six men in the remote village of Baba Kot, forced into a vehicle and taken to a field, where they were beaten and shot. Rights activists say they were then covered with rocks and mud while they were still breathing.
The deaths took so long to investigate, rights groups allege, because members of a powerful political family in the province were involved.
Though many honor killings are believed to go unreported, the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan said at least 174 women were victims of such crimes nationwide in 2005, 270 in 2006 and 280 in 2007.
The figure in the first five months of 2008 alone stands at 107, it said. Rights groups complain that few of the culprits are convicted.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Why should it be considered inappropriate and damaging?
Why is it inappropriate? It's between two consenting adults.
Sport is far more damaging. 70% of hospital cases are related to sport.
Boxing should be illegal. Boxing leads to brain injury and death. Boxing cannot be made "safe". Many sports can result in serious injury or death if precautions are not taken. Sports should only be allowed if safety equipment, safety rules and precautions are in place.
I view sodomy as fitting more into the "boxing" category rather than the other sports categories where acceptable precautions can be taken.
For the sake of the horses, I question whether horse racing is humane and acceptable. Broken legs have occurred.

reply from: BossMomma

Why should it be considered inappropriate and damaging?
Why is it inappropriate? It's between two consenting adults.
Sport is far more damaging. 70% of hospital cases are related to sport.
Boxing should be illegal. Boxing leads to brain injury and death. Boxing cannot be made "safe". Many sports can result in serious injury or death if precautions are not taken. Sports should only be allowed if safety equipment, safety rules and precautions are in place.
I view sodomy as fitting more into the "boxing" category rather than the other sports categories where acceptable precautions can be taken.
For the sake of the horses, I question whether horse racing is humane and acceptable. Broken legs have occurred.
Actually horse racing results in more than broken legs, it results in thousands of surplus horses being sold to slaughter just so that one good runner can be raced and bet on for a few years. I oppose dog and horse racing as well as animal testing and the use of dogs by the police and military as attack animals, for these animals are made so vicious that most of them must be euthanized after they are retired.

reply from: sweet

Yes, it tells us that slavery is fine and that beating a slave to death is also fine - so long as the slave takes a couple of days to die.
It doesn't matter, Vexing, you cannot win. You cannot apply reality and logic to people who believe in fairy tales. It's either the interpretation is wrong, god didn't mean it like that, 'you just don't understand', they just ignore the facts presented and stick their heads in the sand, yadda yadda yadda.
Sweet can be a bible believer all she wants, I don't care. It's the infringement on others that is so offensive. The support of a theocracy. The use of a 2000 year old text to justify discrimination and hatred.
you know, i have a wonderful, awesome male friend that i have been knowing for YEARS who chooses to sleep with other men....i dislike his choice to sleep with the same sex....but i adore him....he's smart, funny, and caring...do you call that discrimination and hatred? by the way....i don't hate you!(i'm not sure if you would like me to though)

reply from: sweet

you call me 'Christian?'......THANKS for compliment!......i knew you had some niceness in you!
*smiles*

reply from: sweet

eeew *turns head*
i think that would fall under a different category than discrimination....especially if the feces is not from breastmilk digestion!(it has less odor)*smiles*

reply from: sweet

Anal sex does not result in brain damage, split lips, black eyes, cut forehead, mangled ears, bruises, etc, etc.
There is NO similarity.
With lube and condoms, the risk of 'damage' is about the same as the risk of walking down the street and being damaged.
Edit: Why is it inappropriate? It's between two consenting adults. for one, I wouldn't exist if my dad had chosen to sleep with another man instead of my mom....you wouldn't exist either under similar circumstances
that alone would be damage to many hearts .... don't you think?

reply from: sweet

like you said...donor...meaning from someone else....i repeat...it can't be done.

reply from: sweet

Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.

reply from: Cecilia

Yes, it tells us that slavery is fine and that beating a slave to death is also fine - so long as the slave takes a couple of days to die.
It doesn't matter, Vexing, you cannot win. You cannot apply reality and logic to people who believe in fairy tales. It's either the interpretation is wrong, god didn't mean it like that, 'you just don't understand', they just ignore the facts presented and stick their heads in the sand, yadda yadda yadda.
Sweet can be a bible believer all she wants, I don't care. It's the infringement on others that is so offensive. The support of a theocracy. The use of a 2000 year old text to justify discrimination and hatred.
you know, i have a wonderful, awesome male friend that i have been knowing for YEARS who chooses to sleep with other men....i dislike his choice to sleep with the same sex....but i adore him....he's smart, funny, and caring...do you call that discrimination and hatred? by the way....i don't hate you!(i'm not sure if you would like me to though)
I am glad you have a positive homosexual role model in your life.
He just may choose to be homosexual, I am sure there are men that do choose to be homosexual, but in no way shape or form on this green earth does that mean that every self identified homosexual chooses to be homosexual. To assume so is discrimination, to support your beliefs through one archaic line from a book is absurd, and to deny the legitimacy of gay relationships though the use of legislation within a democracy by means of a religion only is astonishingly hurtful.
I would not care if you had 'hate' for me or not; the opinion of those online who have never met myself has little bearing on my self esteem. I suppose that isn't clear, upon reading it-so to clarify I mean that I don't really care what you think of me.

reply from: sweet

we must stand firm on the Word of God....the Bible may be 'old' but God is the same God as from the beginning.
(Psalm 1)
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
(Psa 1:2) But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
(Hbr 13:8) Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
(Hbr 13:9) Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines.

reply from: BossMomma

Why must we stand on the word of your god? You can't even prove he is the one true god. I could say that my Goddess is the one true deity to follow and be just as wrong as you. Before you thrust your god (who is btw a baby killing, woman suppressing war monger according to the bible) at least have the decency to prove that what you say is true, or at least prove he exists.

reply from: sweet

are you angry about something?
*looks confused*
if you said such good things about your goddess....someone else might get interested in her too...you said 'thrust'....no, i just acknowledge, praise and share the truth with others about the goodness of God......you said 'baby killing'......is that the interpretation you've personally gotten from reading the Bible yourself?
you said 'decency to prove'.....God proves his own existence everywhere.....in your very breath that was breathed into you by God is proof.

reply from: sweet

are you angry about something?
*looks confused*
if you said such good things about your goddess....someone else might get interested in her too...you said 'thrust'....no, i just acknowledge, praise and share the truth with others about the goodness of God......you said 'baby killing'......is that the interpretation you've personally gotten from reading the Bible yourself?
you said 'decency to prove'.....God proves his own existence everywhere.....in your very breath that was breathed into you by God is proof.
The flying spaghetti monster made one of my toenails turn discolored. There you have it. Evidence of the existence of the flying spaghetti monster.
that's fine...has that 'monster' also given anyone a heart that forgave a murderer? my God has! i forgave the man who murdered my mother...what an awesome God we serve! has that 'monster' given anyone a heart to reject abortion and call it wrong like it is? my God has!
*thanks the LORD*

reply from: Cecilia

are you angry about something?
*looks confused*
if you said such good things about your goddess....someone else might get interested in her too...you said 'thrust'....no, i just acknowledge, praise and share the truth with others about the goodness of God......you said 'baby killing'......is that the interpretation you've personally gotten from reading the Bible yourself?
you said 'decency to prove'.....God proves his own existence everywhere.....in your very breath that was breathed into you by God is proof.
The flying spaghetti monster made one of my toenails turn discolored. There you have it. Evidence of the existence of the flying spaghetti monster.
that's fine...has that 'monster' also given anyone a heart that forgave a murderer? my God has! i forgave the man who murdered my mother...what an awesome God we serve! has that 'monster' given anyone a heart to reject abortion and call it wrong like it is? my God has!
*thanks the LORD*
When I hear "God made it possible" I wonder about their self esteem level. 'No, you did it, really, it's okay to acknowledge that you are great and can do great things.' Does it come from a soceital push to be humble?

reply from: faithman

are you angry about something?
*looks confused*
if you said such good things about your goddess....someone else might get interested in her too...you said 'thrust'....no, i just acknowledge, praise and share the truth with others about the goodness of God......you said 'baby killing'......is that the interpretation you've personally gotten from reading the Bible yourself?
you said 'decency to prove'.....God proves his own existence everywhere.....in your very breath that was breathed into you by God is proof.
The flying spaghetti monster made one of my toenails turn discolored. There you have it. Evidence of the existence of the flying spaghetti monster.
that's fine...has that 'monster' also given anyone a heart that forgave a murderer? my God has! i forgave the man who murdered my mother...what an awesome God we serve! has that 'monster' given anyone a heart to reject abortion and call it wrong like it is? my God has!
*thanks the LORD*
When I hear "God made it possible" I wonder about their self esteem level. 'No, you did it, really, it's okay to acknowledge that you are great and can do great things.' Does it come from a soceital push to be humble?
Go ahead and mock God. Some punks just have to learn the hard way. When you close your eyes for the last time, you will wished you had listened.

reply from: Cecilia

I certainly don't want to be going to the camp in the stars with the Christian god as he is portrayed by yourself, but thanks for the 'threat' and 'intimidation'. It is clear that you "love thy neighbor".

reply from: sweet

rather be humble than proud...
Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
Pro 11:2 When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.
Pro 13:10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.
Pro 14:3 In the mouth of the foolish is a rod of pride: but the lips of the wise shall preserve them.
Pro 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
Pro 29:23 A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit.

reply from: sweet

God loves you too!....
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

reply from: sweet

God loves you too!
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

reply from: sweet

i thank God for my children and all that they are and all that they have....because God gave me them.... and all that they are and all that they have is because of God! their very life is because of God's good grace... i can't create a child without God!

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Your mockery is noted, vexing. Creation shows that there is a Creator. The creation discloses His attributes and character. Unlike the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Pink Unicorn or the Purple Oyster, man and God are almost the same. We are His children, literally sons of God, members of the One God family. We and God are alike, we are to become exactly like God. However, there are many who have no interest in developing Godly character. Their belly is their God. They live to fulfill their appetites and desires. Excessive living is what they are into. Becoming a decent well rounded individual who can manage the Universe is not on their agenda.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

I thought I heard Psychiatrists had the highest suicide rate of any group, an unstable group of people who go over the edge. Quite odd, since they are the one's who are suppose to be guiding others that have mental illnesses.
Last I heard, over 90% of Americans are attracted to religion. America is one of the most successful nations in the world. Atheists compose 3% or less of Americans. Are you saying 97% of Americans are unstable nutters and crackpots?
You certainly are one of the most unusual cases I've heard of. I thought you were undergoing some transformation; from previously identifying as a man to now identifying as a woman. I only browsed some of your posts so I am unclear as to whether your talk of accumulating money for a sex reassignment surgery was for yourself or other "worthy" souls. Maybe something was lost in the translation. Yes, words like unstable, nutters or crackpots does come to mind when you talk about such strange and unusual things.

reply from: Cecilia

Do you have sex with god?

reply from: sweet

i thank God for my children and all that they are and all that they have....because God gave me them.... and all that they are and all that they have is because of God! their very life is because of God's good grace... i can't create a child without God!
So your kids are like mushrooms, they just grow up on their own without any help from you?Stop letting God take credit for YOUR achievements as a parent.
may God have mercy on you and deliver you from the snares of the fowler....God is a merciful God...even to those who reject Him and turn their backs to Him and MOCK Him.....those that don't fear Him and His power...my heart weeps even for you vexing... for even you were created in the image of the very God your heart has strayed from...the very God who breathed life into your nostrils...the very God who formed YOU in your mothers womb and protected YOU from being aborted...may God have mercy on you....may you one day see the truth as it is....may you accept God...for behold, He stands at the door and knocks....will YOU 'hear His voice and open the door?'

reply from: sweet

Do you have sex with god?
*looks shocked*
i am surprised that you have used the very FINGERS that God has given you to type such foolishness....i am surprised that God is knocking at YOUR door right now and you refuse to listen....you shut the very EARS that God has given you! you refuse to open the door....i won't even repeat the question you asked, but i will say my children was given to me by God, just as you were GIVEN to your mom by God.....i prayed for my children and God answered...and i am thankful to God for my children.

reply from: sweet

just when i thought the mockery couldn't get any more brazen, i read your^post... i refuse to repeat it all...it is CLEAR that there are some who actually take pleasure in mocking God...WOW! even still, God loves you and wants you to hearken to Him.
(Pro 7:24) Hearken unto me now therefore, O ye children, and attend to the words of my mouth.

reply from: Cecilia

Do you have sex with god?
*looks shocked*
i am surprised that you have used the very FINGERS that God has given you to type such foolishness....i am surprised that God is knocking at YOUR door right now and you refuse to listen....you shut the very EARS that God has given you! you refuse to open the door....i won't even repeat the question you asked, but i will say my children was given to me by God, just as you were GIVEN to your mom by God.....i prayed for my children and God answered...and i am thankful to God for my children.
Nonsense. Reproduction is a biological function that requires no spiritual input. Hardly miraculous.

reply from: cracrat

It is fairly miraculous if you think about it. DNA is a molecule that contains the information required to build an almost completely automated, self repairing, self regulating, self maintaining machine driven to continue the replication of itself. I don't ascribe any of it to God, but that doesn't make it any less fantastic. I can't help but feel that people who describe life/reproduction as just a chemical reaction or something similar really don't appreciate what's going on.

reply from: Cecilia

It is fairly miraculous if you think about it. DNA is a molecule that contains the information required to build an almost completely automated, self repairing, self regulating, self maintaining machine driven to continue the replication of itself. I don't ascribe any of it to God, but that doesn't make it any less fantastic. I can't help but feel that people who describe life/reproduction as just a chemical reaction or something similar really don't appreciate what's going on.
Yes, the process itself is amazing, just as how the brain works, the body is truely something, but it doesn't require any spiritual intervention. It also occurs daily, hourly, so the way a miracle is defined - typically unusually, or supernatural - it's really not a miracle.

reply from: sweet

really? biological? *smiles*
no spiritual input? your bones, skin, muscles, and blood can't think, talk, or love or hate without your spirit....or else all of the bodies in the graves (without a spirit) would do so also! the very difference between YOU and a dead person is the SPIRIT in you and NO longer in them! BY GOD.

reply from: sweet

Perhaps, but there is still no evidence of who or what that "creator" might be. Just admit that you accept the existence of the Christian God on faith, with no evidence, just like subscribers to all other beliefs. The only really logical position is agnostic. You can believe whatever you like, but do not presume to assert that your beliefs are any more valid than anyone else's. They're not. A reasonable person will not claim to know what s/he can not know, regardless of what s/he chooses to believe...
WOW...creativity^ at it's BEST! the very life inside your creative body is that which was put there by the loving, forgiving, merciful God that you so readily ignore...nevertheless, He has given you knowledge and health that you couldn't possibly create on your own...instead of thanking Him and looking to him for your fate...you say 'there is no evidence'....if the beat of your heart, the sight in your eyes, the breath in your nostrils, the strength in your muscles is not proof enough, i can't make you see the truth that is before you.....it is not required of me to show you PROOF....seek and you shall find....by the way, i do have faith in God and Jesus Christ.

reply from: sweet

So if I pray for children, I'll get them?
COOL!
I'll have three, thanks.sarcasm?
funny you say that... i have three!

reply from: sweet

Answer the question.
If I pray to God, will he give me a miracle uterus?
1. ask God that question.
2. pray!

reply from: Cecilia

God answers every prayer...sometimes the answer is "NO".

reply from: sweet

Almost every single transperson I know has prayed to God asking:
1. Why did you make me want to be the other gender?
2. Will you give me the correct body parts?
Not a single one has received an answer - and there are a LOT of transpeople around.
Nor have any of us spontaneously gained a vagina or a penis.
it's good to know that you have prayed.....dont give up hope....there are answers right in front of you...continue to seek God.
[I](Psa 105:3)Glory ye in his holy name: let the heart of them rejoice that seek the LORD.
(Pro 28:5) Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.
(James 5:16) The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

reply from: Cecilia

Almost every single transperson I know has prayed to God asking:
1. Why did you make me want to be the other gender?
2. Will you give me the correct body parts?
Not a single one has received an answer - and there are a LOT of transpeople around.
Nor have any of us spontaneously gained a vagina or a penis.
it's good to know that you have prayed.....dont give up hope....there are answers right in front of you...continue to seek God.
[I](Psa 105:3)Glory ye in his holy name: let the heart of them rejoice that seek the LORD.
(Pro 28:5) Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.
(James 5:16) The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
That' it, CP- they just haven't prayed enough.

reply from: sweet

one differnce between us is that i DO live my life in FEAR of GOD and the consequences of not doing so.
(Pro 1:7) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
'conscience' comes from God, by the way. that's how you know right and wrong. i'd rather live 'like God exists' than any other way! it's good to know that you seek and are 'open' to God intervening. remember: God is standing at the door knocking.
(Psa 105:3) Glory ye in his holy name: let the heart of them rejoice that seek the LORD.

reply from: sweet

look in the mirror.
She looks in the mirror, she sees evidence that she exists. Even if her existence proved that she was created by a supernatural entity (which it obviously does not), how would she know it wasn't Allah, Brahman, Enki, or one of any number of other entities various people believe (or believed) are responsible for creation?People exist, therefore they were created by Enki as was written in the Enuma Elish? It is not a logical conclusion. I exist, therefore Allah/Yahweh created me? Likewise...Not a logical conclusion. My existence only proves that I exist. It is not evidence that your beliefs are valid.
i encourage you to read the Bible, which is the Holy Word of God...it will give you an understanding of things in a way that you've never known! you'd be surprised how the answers to your questions are there in the Bible!
(2Ti 2:15) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

reply from: sweet

it feels so good when i tell my children that i prayed to God for them...and to see them 'light up'...wouldn't you love to know someone prayed for YOUR existence...i sure would!

reply from: sweet

1. i actually don't waste precious time trying to discount Christians...i maintain that the Bible is TRUE in it's entirety.
2. abortion IS prohibited by YOU.
3. abortion IS prohibited by ME.

reply from: sweet

they? i would suggest taking a closer look at ones self first...my neighbor may or may not be a 'praying Christian'....but what am i? what am i doing? besides i look to God to answer my prayers, not to others to pray or have faith for me.
Psa 118:8It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man

reply from: sweet

*smiles*
well i give God the credit for ALL that i have and ALL that i am. i give God the credit for my choice to not abort...i give God the credit for my fertility! i thank God that the sex i chose to have resulted in live children!

reply from: sweet

are you praying to ME to stop these abortions? there are also 4,000 robberies and other CRIMES done (not at my hands nor yours)...if YOU are counting on ME to stop all crime in the world...gee i thank you for seeing me so 'highly,' but i'm not God...sorry...also, i tend to only tell God what i'm praying for...so if you want to know exactly, you'd have to ask Him...you said wouldn't that be pointless? i'll let YOU continue judging my prayers as you seem to be so good at that...until then...the LORD is standing at the door knocking...

reply from: sweet

you can't get me to join in on your 'God bashing'....i Love God... and i am thankful for all that He has given me...the very fingers to type on this forum... i even thank God for YOU to type to...because he created even you --- the one who so joyously mock, denounce, ignore, and bash Him...i don't know about you, but the joy that i have, this WORLD didn't give it to me!

reply from: sweet

well JUDGE, you sound pretty experienced...however, if i were you, i wouldn't get to caught up/waste your time trying to pick apart faith/beliefs...time can be better spent tuning up your own...i am very careful, especially when speaking of God and his truth...it has been attempted since the beginning of time to discount God, His Word and Truth and Christians....it can't and won't be done! you seem pretty content trying!

reply from: sweet

delusions? what a mighty, awesome God! he shows himself even in the midst of those that insist on rejecting Him! you must SEE a reason to rebel against your very own creator...the one who formed YOU in your mom's womb!

reply from: sweet

that is only YOUR flawed 'point.' you only believe part, which doesnt mean that only part is true!

reply from: Cecilia

Consider it done, sweet, CP is right on the money:

reply from: sweet

*smiles*
liar? you confirm the Truth of God's Word in the process of condemning!
(John 15:20)...if they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you...

reply from: sweet

now you insist that YOUR reasoning is flawless? i must be in fact 'worshipping the wrong god...' maybe i should worship the flawless, perfectly logical god that YOU are...nay, i'd rather take the blows that come with my worshipping the One True God - the One that sent His only begotten Son Jesus! i thank God for my faith. i thank God for my beliefs.

reply from: sweet

nay....let's consider it done because JESUS said it is finished...He paid the price for our sins...and i am thankful!

reply from: Cecilia

It's like a bad soap opera. It makes you want to tear your hair out.
People can't really be this brainwashed...yet they are.

reply from: sweet

*smiles*
yea, if you can brainwash me into knowing murder is wrong...DO IT..if you can brainwash me into not stealing...DO IT...if it is brainwash believing God and His Word...BRAINWASH me...if it is brainwash beliveing Jesus is the way, the truth,and the life...BRAINWASH ME...if praising and thanking God for His goodness and blessings is brainwash...BRAINWASH ME!

reply from: sweet

I've known transwomen who have been Christian all their life, praying every day.
None of them ever got a miracle uterus.
Not one.
Zero.
Nobody.
Your God doesn't exist.
FACT.
transwomen? God created male and female.

reply from: sweet

I've known transwomen who have been Christian all their life, praying every day.
None of them ever got a miracle uterus.
Not one.
Zero.
Nobody.
Your God doesn't exist.
FACT.your belief in God DOESNT EXIST...God exists and holds the truth and life.

reply from: sweet

AGAIN...
*smiles*
you confirm the Truth of God's Word in the process of condemning!
(John 15:20)...if they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you...

reply from: sweet

i seriously doubt YOU need one more reason to doubt...no, go ahead, imply what you want...what ever makes you feel right or smart...(i'd rather be dumb, believing in God and His truth)...God still exists and he still created even YOU - the right one who is so wrong about the true Bible and about God, YOUR creator!

reply from: sweet

compliment? thanks!
insult? THANKS!! (that confirms the Bible...they will persecute you)
i'll go with whatever age you wish to call me.(name-calling confirms the TRUE Bible)

reply from: sweet

*How can something bother you if you won't let it?
*Turn your face to the sun and the shadows fall behind you.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

The Bible says: "All Scripture is given by God and is profitable for correction and instruction in righteousness." The Bible is a parable which is imcomprehensible to most (their eyes barely see, and their ears barely hear, they do not perceive); this is in accordance with God's Will. The Bible says, "Those who keep His commandments have a good understanding". I accept that all Scripture is profitable.
I find the Bible valuable because of it's concentration on love, loving your neighbor and God, working as a team to become One unit. We are to be one corporate body. We each have different skills and abilities and will perform different functions. But can the foot say to the eye, "I have no need of you?" Each part of the body will be important.
God is the Creator and head Manager, "He made everything for His purposes." Man was made to be God. There are many workers. Ants do their job, bees perform theirs, birds fly south and animals migrate according to God's programming. When God commanded that something be done, the work was performed by myriads.
Man is unlike the other created living entities. God is going to share his throne with us. As one who is to receive a rulership crown, Jesus said, if we ask that the mountain be cast into the sea, it shall be done. However, it will be quite a while before men believe that they have that kind of authority and that God is sharing his authority and his created beings will respond to what God's children ask for and obey us.
Man does not always receive what he wants. God says they either don't receive because they don't ask, or they ask for something improperly so they can consume it upon their lusts.
Answering prayer...there really are few that have faith. The early Apostles asked God to increase their faith. Is the answer sometimes no? Paul asked three times that a thorn in his side be removed. I assume this was reference to a physical ailment, but I do not know. Paul tells us that he was told his prayer/request would not be granted in that case.
I should point out that the Bible says, "The sum of Your word is truth." There are pros and cons to every argument. There are execeptions and exceptions to the exceptions. To point at one verse in the Bible without balancing it with others, full proper context, can lead one to a wrong conclusion. The sum is truth, not just one verse. Those who believe in grace or faith alone seem to discount verses on law and order. Prayer (making request of God) is in the context of many different issues; a full answer on the subject is not contained in a one liner.
Why doesn't abortion end when a few pray for it to end, you ask? You say they have faith.
Faith is evidenced by works. One who is a sinner does not have faith.
Jesus healed a blind man. The blind man was called before the Pharisees. The blind man correctly said in John 9:31; "We know that God does not listen to sinners, but if anyone is a worshipper of God and does his will, God listens to him." God doesn't answer the prayers of sinners. Is it possible those who pray for abortion to end really are still practicing sin (therefore, they lack faith).
However, God has commanded that man do his work for now. I don't know that God is going to override that on certain issues at this time.
Happy Sabbath! Today represents the day that God's Government and work replaces man's governments and man's days of doing his own work come to an end!

reply from: sweet

*smiles*
your Jesus bashing doesn't impress ME...though i see you take pride in it...OUR FATHER WHICH ART IN HEAVEN, let me not do the same...i thank God for his gift of life that i have in this very body that is breathing! no one but God has given me this life!

reply from: sweet

hey, you can't get me to join in on your bashing/denouncing of the One True, Holy God that made the very mouth you persecute with!

reply from: sweet

HAHAHAHAHAHA!
You know NOTHING about persecution.
And by the way, if god is supposed to have created just male and female, he screwed up somewhere - as there are plenty of people who are intersex from birth.
LOL!
Way to invalidate your own argument.Jesus was laughed at and mocked from the beginning - obviously the present also...He is the way, the truth and the Life! Believe in Him instead of mocking/bashing/persecuting him over and over!

reply from: sweet

I suppose a swift kick in the @$$ would prove the existence of God beyond all doubt then, LOL!
yes, actually...the very foot you would kick with was made by God and moves by the same God you mock!

reply from: sweet

*smiles*
insult? THANKS!! (more confirmation) God has blessed me with notions...i have the notion that God created me and you and all that i have and all that YOU have.....and i thank him for his grace and mercy...for I have more than i feel i deserve!

reply from: sweet

out of your OWN mouth^^(confirmation again).
liar? THANKS!!
YOU mock ME? THANKS!!!!!!(i never get tired of God's confirmation)
*sighs*smiles*
God is a WONDERFUL creator....i'm thankful for being able to be thankful!

reply from: sweet

Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
*smiles*
THANKS again for the confirmation that God's^^ Holy Word is TRUE, JUST, and profitable!! you actually quoted his AWESOME, HOLY, WORD....i knew God had a purpose for our discussions...how wonderful He is! it is not merely by chance that He lead your fingers to copy down his Holy, TRUE, WORD! God is amazing!

reply from: sweet

*smiles*
CUUUUTE!^^
that reminds me...i need to take MY glass of tea out of the freezer!(i seriosly am drinking tea also)

reply from: sweet

(Mar 8:12) And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation.

reply from: sweet

vexing needs proof...
Translation:
"vexing chooses TO ignore/deny God and His TRUTH." How GREAT it is to admit and acknowledge the Truth of our wonderful creator!

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

We all have to bear fruit or we will be destroyed. People will ask, "Why did you make me this way?"

reply from: sweet

yes. they are alive and well even today...How Great and wonderful our mighty Creator! *smiles*
Do YOU believe in unicorns?

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

What do you mean by 'bear fruit'?
Do you mean 'produce offspring'?
God is making vessel's he can use. One vessel will be compared to gold, another bronze, another wood, the vessel that is marred and comes out useless for his use will be discarded.
So no, I don't mean produce fruit of the womb. I mean produce effects that are positive and helpful, in accord with God's Will.

reply from: sheri

Christians do not believe that anyone who is made without the capacity to choose good or evil is in danger of being doomed. It is the watch that is capable of telling proper time but CHOOSES not to that is in danger of the scrap heap.

reply from: sheri

Yes, The Watch Maker must be praised, No a person, through no fault of their own who, though looking for the truth has not found it can not be help libel for his ignorance. The whole thing would hinge on his honesty however.
God makes imperfect people for the same purpose he makes perfect ones.
To know, love and serve Him and to be happy with Him forever in Heaven.

reply from: sheri

Your killing me here, is it late or was that flipping funny?
Dont you think it should be incumbent for the watch to discover Who made it? Especially seeing it is to be scrapped one day and it may pay to do a little sucking up in the hear and now?

reply from: sheri

Why would you think it more superior to obey yourself rather then God?
If my horse disobeys me when i direct him to leave the barn he may well get points for being a free thinker, however that would not be to his betterment if the barn were on fire.
Obedience to God is the mother of humility which is the seat of wisdom.

reply from: sheri

If God cared nothing for us then He may just be satisfied with letting us blindly follow our own ideas, However history records He cares enough for us to hang on a cross for three hours and die for us. He wanted to leave us with something better then a rough idea we get from our inner voice.

reply from: sheri

Vex, we can know God because He endowed us with the intelligence to find Him in the same way we can figure sums. However He did not just leave us to our own devices, He did not just create us then walk of the set. He made it possible for us to make it to Heaven then left us a guide to achieve that goal, as well as The Holy Spirit to give us that added direction and His own Body to recieve and strengthen us.
It is very sad for me to think there are people in the world who view God as a dead beat dad, who creates and then forgets. Maybe that is why we get to be such zealots, we have a great desire that you know you are loved more then is humanly possible.

reply from: sheri

I think you guys are a little too hung up on the Bible. You need to take the good book as it was meant to be, a lesson to be interpreted by priests. Also we do need to use the good sense God gave us when we hear His word.
Therefore we hear from the Pope that we need to believe that God truly exists, however that he ever took a dare from the devil, not so much. We can reject or except these teachings based on our findings but a simple person who simply believes should not be thought less of then the T. Aquinos types who are capable of finding truth on their own.

reply from: sheri

Vex,
We do not believe that a person who leads a good life however never has the opportunity to know God is damned. You can not reject what you do not know.

reply from: sheri

I believe the Bible contains all the truth you need to get to Heaven, so in that sense it is perfect, however it has to be a little off on things, I dont think it was ever intended to be an end all. No, it doesnt have to be perfectly accurate all the time because it was always meant to have an interpretor.

reply from: sheri

Our purpose here on Earth is to Know, love and serve our Creator. That is what he wants from us. I f we are incapable of doing those things that will not be counted against us. If we in all honesty can not accept His truth, if one is retarded and inable to understand anything let alone good and evil, if the person was never introduced to God, how can he reject Him?
Think of all the masses that came before the dawn of Christ. Even the Romans had their gods which in some small way pointed to the truth, and a well meaning Roman could have been in line for Heaven just as well as the early Jews.

reply from: sheri

Hey Tully, have you ever seen that great old movie "keys to the kingdom"? it is a classic. Gregory Peck, I think.
I can tell you from a Catholic perspective that a person who through no fault of their own has not atained the level of understanding that God would like to have from His people, will not hold them accountable for that lack of knowledge. However He does desire that we all know Him to better love Him, that is why missionaries risk life and limb to spread the good word, not to feel morally superior to the heathens.

reply from: sheri

I meant really mentally retarded, you would hopefully fall into the Tully catagory.

reply from: sheri

No, Tully, now listen this is important, God does not want you to go with the safe bet, He not only wants you to know Him He wants your love, you may be able to do the former but never the latter under false pretense, HE WANTS YOU TO FREELY CHOOSE TO LOVE HIM. If you are not able to come to an understanding of His goodness you can not love Him. He does not hold that against these people.
I know you have a good brain and you probably can find God without the use of the Bible or the Church, you would not be the first you will not be the last. However their are good simple people who rely on these gifts God left them to help them grow in love and make it to Heaven. Please cut these hard working fellows some slack and dont look down on us.

reply from: sheri

http://www.catholic.org/
Vex there are lots of saints who went against their families in order to do what they thought was right.
God gives us our temptations in this life to bring us closer to Him. Though lots of times we see our difficulties as the things that are keeping us from Him, we should not think that God does not suffer with us and love us much as when all is well.

reply from: sheri

What does the Muslim think of the recent killings in Pakistan, where the girls were buried alive? I apolagize for being off topic, but i dont have very many muslims around here, and would like to know if this is Koran based or where they get this from. Thanks in advance.

reply from: sheri

There is a way to find truth, the same way you would add 2 + 2 and find it = 4.
Now every time you did 2+2=7, you would have to discovor your mistake and have the humility to go back to 2+2. That is why humility is so important to wisdom.
Now you could just trust God and join the church, however some people are determined to take the road less traveled. Just keep looking, there is an inner calling that drives us to God if we do not let our sinfulness stand in the way.

reply from: sheri

I was more wondering if this kind of thing was a colloquialism or a more wide spread problem. I heard only passing reference to the crime, I know a Pak. sen. was defending it as a "tradition".

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Romans 9:18-23 "He has mercy on whom he desires, and he hardens whom He desires. You will say to me then, 'Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will? On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, 'Why did you make me like this' will it? Or does not the potter have power over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honourable use and another for common use? What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory...."
A person must be called by God. Some are not called. Some will live their threescore and ten and have no advantage over the animals; they die, they perish and cease to exist forever. Vexing said she was fine with that. She's not selfish and greedy for more. These few years in the flesh now are plenty adequate for her. The Bible advises that our present life is like the early morning dew or fog, when the sun rises the temporary dew or fog vanishes quickly.

reply from: sheri

Wow! you edited that and it still came out that way. Do you believe in predestination?

reply from: sweet

i thank God that i don't need 'concrete' evidence for His existence...at the same time i thank Him for the 'concrete' evidence that He does give daily (breathing, walking, talking, thinking...) i thank God that i don't need proof from man that my very heart beat is by the permission of God...i thank God that i don't need proof from man that the very breathe inside my children is ONLY by His grace...i thank God that He has shown me His truth and magnificence in His Holy Word...i thank God that He has blessed me with sight so that i can also read His True Holy Word! i thank God for the fear that i have of Him that i may be careful in my daily walk...and yes, the Lochness 'Monster exists' and the 'unicorn'...because God's true Word says so...I take NO pleasure in 'arguing' Truth...although the truth of God is also confirmed by the very people that attempt to 'argue' and descredit God.

reply from: CharlesD

As to people seeking God, C.S. Lewis said of his agnostic days, "I was looking for God the way a mouse looks for a cat." Something of a paraphrase of John 6:44, but the point is that people are not naturally inclined to seek God. Just like I am not always naturally inclined to eat right, although I know I should.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Romans 9:18-23 "He has mercy on whom he desires, and he hardens whom He desires. You will say to me then, 'Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will? On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, 'Why did you make me like this' will it? Or does not the potter have power over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honourable use and another for common use? What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory...."
A person must be called by God. Some are not called. Some will live their threescore and ten and have no advantage over the animals; they die, they perish and cease to exist forever. Vexing said she was fine with that. She's not selfish and greedy for more. These few years in the flesh now are plenty adequate for her. The Bible advises that our present life is like the early morning dew or fog, when the sun rises the temporary dew or fog vanishes quickly.
Sherri said:
Wow! you edited that and it still came out that way. Do you believe in predestination?
GL4U2L response:
I believe I quoted Romans 9:18-23 word for word from the bible; I don't believe I did any editing. Yes, it's not up to us who run the course, but up to Him who shows mercy. I am not an expert on predestination and can not answer that question.

reply from: sweet

*sighs*
*smiles*
i thank God that i am not running around asking MAN for proof of God's existence...however, i understand why one would want do so...after waking up inside THE VERY BODY that God has placed me in - still able to breathe - still able to move - that's 'proof' enough of Wonderful, Almighty God for me...i find proof in the mirror/when looking at strangers/in sickness/in health/in my children/while happy/while sad/proof in his Holy Bible...i have proof all around me without actively looking for it...yet when i seek, i do find 'proof' everywhere also...God is amazing!

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

The Bible says the creation declares His glory, therefore, you are without excuse.
This week scientists will be trying to recreate the big bang (on a very, very small scale) with a collider to try to study major questions about how the Universe came to be as it is. It seems scientists that have tried to stop the experiment in the European Court have been unsuccessful. They believe minute black holes could be created that would eventually swallow up the whole earth.
Questions to answer are how mass came to be, where is anti-matter, why does most matter seem to be unobservable, is what we see only a tiny sliver of reality, etc.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

I didn't answer the question on predestination because I believe that if you seek God, you will find Him. He will call, and you will answer. However, if you don't seek God, he may be content to let you "harden", he will not call for you. God does not desire that any should perish, he takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. Although I was top of my class in statistics, I'm sure he understands even more thab I that a certain percentage are determined to go astray.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

The Bible says the creation declares His glory, therefore, you are without excuse.
This week scientists will be trying to recreate the big bang (on a very, very small scale) with a collider to try to study major questions about how the Universe came to be as it is. It seems scientists that have tried to stop the experiment in the European Court have been unsuccessful. They believe minute black holes could be created that would eventually swallow up the whole earth.
Questions to answer are how mass came to be, where is anti-matter, why does most matter seem to be unobservable, is what we see only a tiny sliver of reality, etc.
If we don't understand it, it must be caused by "God?" We are ignorant, therefore "God" exists? Sorry. That is not reasonable.
Because creation confirms the Creator's existence, I fully expect science to back that up. I am excited by scientific advances. For example, the fossil records disprove a gradual evolutionary process. Eventually, through science, a person may be able to lay out a proof of the Creator.
Again, I believe that if anyone seeks for the Creator, he will find Him. God will call to him. (see previous post)
Here are some of the questions the experiment is out to answer:
As big as the numbers surrounding the LHC are, the mysteries it was built to address are bigger:
What was the newborn universe made of?
What causes things to have mass?
Why is most of that mass hidden?
Where did all the antimatter go?
Is our entire universe a mere sliver of all that is?
As a fan of the old time corny Star Trek and other science fiction stories that I read as a kid, I find science fascinating. I'd love to know it all. Space Odessy 2001 didn't quite get there.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

GL said:
Because creation confirms the Creator's existence, I fully expect science to back that up. I am excited by scientific advances. For example, the fossil records disprove a gradual evolutionary process. Eventually, through science, a person may be able to lay out a proof of the Creator.
Again, I believe that if anyone seeks for the Creator, he will find Him. God will call to him. (see previous post)
CP said:
I anxiously await the day when the matter can be settled once and for all. Until then, if God does not see fit to "call" me, that's on him. I have no control over that.
GL says:
God is allowing mankind 6000 years to do their work. That will be contrasted with the 1000 year Sabbath reign of Christ. Those not called and kept in the dark during man's days of work will be resurrected and given an opportunity to choose God's Way, after all, they will have seen how man's self rule worked out. Some who knew what was going on during man's reign will have their fate sealed at that time.

reply from: sweet

(Rev 3:20) Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

reply from: sweet

i thank God for showing me that abortion is wrong!

reply from: sweet

some of us fight for the truth that abortion is wrong...God has given us insight in knowing this truth.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

"Some of us...think it (abortion) is wrong." You wouldn't be including yourself in that statement, would you?

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

CP said:
There are other verses pertaining to "signs"
This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled
GL response:
Bible scholars agree that the state of Israel had to exist for end-time prophecies to be fulfilled. After not existing for nearly 2700 years, Israel was reborn in 1948.
Bible scholars agree that the Roman Empire must exist for end-time prophecies to be fulfilled. Revelation suggests her deadly wound will be healed and she shall live again. People will say, "Who is like the beast, who can make war with him." On July 13, 2008 leaders of 43 countries surrounding the Mediterranean joined together in Paris, Francis to launch a new regional union called "Union for the Mediterranean". French President Nicolas Sarkozy championed the creation of this bloc only a year earlier. Libyan leader col. Muammar Gaddafi boycotted the meeting, saying, "We shall have another Roman Empire and imperialist design." Gaddifi is exactly correct. The new union's map would be strikingly like the Roman Empire map of old. Rather than bringing peace, unity and cooperation, as the goal is; I believe radical Islamists like Osama bin Laden will be whipped up into an even greater terrorist mode as they see Europe trying to quell the dream of an Ummah (Islamic controlled empire).
Rev 17:12 says 10 rulers, regions or political units will rule the Roman Empire for one hour up until the return of Jesus. One hour in biblical terms is roughly a generation or 40 years. (One day equals 1000 years, therefore an hour is just over 40 years). Since God will "cut the time short", not quite fulfilling man's six days of work, an hour could be 40 years.

reply from: sweet

i agree...though i'm not sure if it's possible to 'actively' fulfill prophecy.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

It is secularists, such as French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who are trying to bring about the revival of the Roman Empire (Combined Mediterrarean Union & European Union), a key prophesied event. Religious extremists will have no say in those events. In fact, the end-time ten rulers and the beast (Roman Empire) will hate the prostitute (Catholic Church) and do her harm. Certainly, one item the revived Roman Empire will try to resolve is Jerusalem, first through a peace treaty, then by occupying the city (so says the bible). The final Empire is compared to ten toes of mixed iron and clay, not cleaving together very well. The southern nations (Islamic) will push at the northern nations (secularists). But the northern nations shall pass over and through the southern nations (superior air and land forces). Asia, fielding an army of one billion will have a disagreement with the Empire, catching the world in a deadly trap (like a woman suddenly caught with birthpains) that could bring worldwide extinction. This is when Jesus returns to stop the extinction of all flesh on the planet. Psalms 2 says the nations will try to stop Jesus and God from seizing control. It is written that Jesus will strike down the nations and rule them with a rod of iron. It is also written that Jesus will destroy those who would destroy the earth.
This probably sounds like a Ray Bradbury science fiction story or Star Wars Trilogy story to you; for you say some have taken leave of their senses. Revelation, Daniel, Psalms and other prophecies seem fantastic, more lively than science fiction.
I don't see myself having any effect on these events. The eighth and final manifestation of the Roman Empire will come out of the seventh. Although both will last only a short time, a 40 year life to the final rebirth of the Roman Empire will easily move these events past the end of my lifetime; events could be a couple centuries in the making. I'm just an observer.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

It seems you are saying Christians have and are committing atrocities by giving Jews a homeland, recognizing them, and supporting them while Jews oppress Palestinians.
There were hundreds of events which evenually lead to the re-establishment of Israel. Some major events included the downfall of the Turkisk Islamic Ottoman Empire at the conclusion of WW I; much of the empire was carved up. England, a victor of WW I made a declaration at that time that the Jews should have their own homeland. After WW II, the Jews were given half of Palestine for a homeland and the non-Jewish residents were given the other half for a nation. Several Arab nations immediately declared war and tried to end the existence of Israel during her first days in 1948. They were unsuccessful, and the Palestinians have not, since 1948, organized their state out of the half of Palestine (The Romans renamed Judea Palestine) that they received.
Are you sure that it is the "bad" Israelis wresting the hopes and dreams away from Palestinians? Or could it be the Palestinians/Arabs/Jihadists don't want to share?
Were there really very many Arabs in Palestine when the Ottoman Empire ruled over that territory? That land had few residents before the establishment of Israel. It was neglected and overlooked. But once the Jews moved back in, in greater numbers than the Palestinians, suddenly Palestine became of great interest to Palestinians.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

It seems you are saying Christians have and are committing atrocities by giving Jews a homeland, recognizing them, and supporting them while Jews oppress Palestinians.
There were hundreds of events which evenually lead to the re-establishment of Israel. Some major events included the downfall of the Turkisk Islamic Ottoman Empire at the conclusion of WW I; much of the empire was carved up. England, a victor of WW I made a declaration at that time that the Jews should have their own homeland. After WW II, the Jews were given half of Palestine for a homeland and the non-Jewish residents were given the other half for a nation. Several Arab nations immediately declared war and tried to end the existence of Israel during her first days in 1948. They were unsuccessful, and the Palestinians have not, since 1948, organized their state out of the half of Palestine (The Romans renamed Judea Palestine) that they received.
Are you sure that it is the "bad" Israelis wresting the hopes and dreams away from Palestinians? Or could it be the Palestinians/Arabs/Jihadists don't want to share?
Were there really very many Arabs in Palestine when the Ottoman Empire ruled over that territory? That land had few residents before the establishment of Israel. It was neglected and overlooked. But once the Jews moved back in, in greater numbers than the Palestinians, suddenly Palestine became of great interest to Palestinians.
Psalm 120:5-7 "Woe is me, for I sojourn in Meshech, for I dwell among the tents of Kedar! (Gensis 25:13, Kedar was Ishmaels's son, an Arab) Too long has my soul had its dwelling with those that hate peace. I am for peace, but when I speak, they are for war."
I think of this verse when I see the film clips of the Arab Yassar Arafat chanting, "Jihad, Jihad, Jihad!" contrasted against the video clip of an assassinated Israeli Prime Minister speaking of "The children of Isaac and Ishmael living in a tent of peace again."

reply from: sweet

i'm sure you'll let me know if i'm wrong, but isn't that about land that belongs to jews and others demanding them to share land that belongs to them?

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

It's a complex issue with many arguments made on both sides. I believe a majority of nations in an international association (the UN) approved recognizing statehood for Israel. I believe that is one major element that makes a homeland for Israel legal.
Israel has been slow to return land taken during defensive wars that are slated for a Palestinian state because of security concerns.
Personally, I view all the turmoil as the result of Palestinians throwing a big fuss that a Western style non-Islamic government would move in as neighbors; many just will not hear of it.

reply from: sweet

It's a complex issue with many arguments made on both sides. I believe a majority of nations in an international association (the UN) approved recognizing statehood for Israel. I believe that is one major element that makes a homeland for Israel legal.
Israel has been slow to return land taken during defensive wars that are slated for a Palestinian state because of security concerns.
Personally, I view all the turmoil as the result of Palestinians throwing a big fuss that a Western style non-Islamic government would move in as neighbors; many just will not hear of it.if it is prophecy that the jews will have their land back, then they will no matter what - i think.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

It's a complex issue with many arguments made on both sides. I believe a majority of nations in an international association (the UN) approved recognizing statehood for Israel. I believe that is one major element that makes a homeland for Israel legal.
Israel has been slow to return land taken during defensive wars that are slated for a Palestinian state because of security concerns.
Personally, I view all the turmoil as the result of Palestinians throwing a big fuss that a Western style non-Islamic government would move in as neighbors; many just will not hear of it.if it is prophecy that the jews will have their land back, then they will no matter what - i think.
You are going to provoke concernedparent.
Everything has to be done lawfully and orderly. The Jews could only legally have a homeland if approved by a major governing body. I believe proper procedures were followed in the UN. Men's governments are in charge now. The Jews could not legally set up a state without the approval of men.

reply from: sweet

If you think having resided in a land centuries ago gives you a moral or legal claim to that land, then you must logically concede that Jews have no legitimate claim on Israel, since they originally took it by force themselves. The fact is that the residents of the lands in question had held legal possession for centuries prior to the advent of the Zionist movement that forcefully displaced the majority of them.
I encourage you to objectively examine the history of the issue, and the links I provided are a good place to start.i believe it is also described in the Bible...i do need to study more on that topic though.

reply from: sweet

let me make sure i understand this correctly...was it the jews' land first?

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

If you think having resided in a land centuries ago gives you a moral or legal claim to that land, then you must logically concede that Jews have no legitimate claim on Israel, since they originally took it by force themselves. The fact is that the residents of the lands in question had held legal possession for centuries prior to the advent of the Zionist movement that forcefully displaced the majority of them.
I encourage you to objectively examine the history of the issue, and the links I provided are a good place to start.
On November 29, 1947 the United Nations General Assembly approved the partition of Palestine into independent Jewish and Arab states. Legally, that should settle the matter.

reply from: sweet

If you think having resided in a land centuries ago gives you a moral or legal claim to that land, then you must logically concede that Jews have no legitimate claim on Israel, since they originally took it by force themselves. The fact is that the residents of the lands in question had held legal possession for centuries prior to the advent of the Zionist movement that forcefully displaced the majority of them.
I encourage you to objectively examine the history of the issue, and the links I provided are a good place to start.i believe it is also described in the Bible...i do need to study more on that topic though.
Yes, and it is quite disheartening what some are willing to condone in order to see what they view as fulfillment of "Biblical prophesy" as they interpret it...i think that in the process of prophecy being fulfilled, these people happen to be doing terrible things also...(if i understand prophecy correctly)...what is prophesied to happen will...for example it is prophesied that there will be night and day as long as this world exists...one can turn off the lights or tape his eyes closed during the day, but it still will be day as long as the world exists...in this case his actions haven't changed prophecy.

reply from: sweet

also, WWIII is prophesied to take place...it is already happening...now the bad guys in this war aren't being bad in order to push prophecy further along, they happen to be bad guys though, while prophecy is taking place.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

If you think having resided in a land centuries ago gives you a moral or legal claim to that land, then you must logically concede that Jews have no legitimate claim on Israel, since they originally took it by force themselves. The fact is that the residents of the lands in question had held legal possession for centuries prior to the advent of the Zionist movement that forcefully displaced the majority of them.
I encourage you to objectively examine the history of the issue, and the links I provided are a good place to start.i believe it is also described in the Bible...i do need to study more on that topic though.
Yes, and it is quite disheartening what some are willing to condone in order to see what they view as fulfillment of "Biblical prophesy" as they interpret it...
On November 29, 1947 the United Nations General Assembly approved the partition of Palestine into independent Jewish and Arab states. This is the only reason why Israel today has a lawfully organized state. Israel proclaimed their independent state on May 15, 1948 and was invaded by six Arab states within hours. This led me to conclude that Arabs were the aggressors and that they were not acting in accordance with a proper and legally binding UN approval.

reply from: sweet

let me make sure i understand this correctly...was it the jews' land first?Read your history. The Jews took over the land and drove out the inhabitants that were already there, and continue to oppress the few that remain and expand their conquered territory. Some contend that they have a right to the land based on having done the exact same thing to the inhabitants they conquered in Biblical times. Is it their land for eternity because they stole it centuries ago? Is it theirs because they claim "God" gave it to them, allegedly directing them to take it from others all those years ago? Presumably, God gave them the victory that allowed that conquest recorded in the Bible, but apparently "He" allowed others to take it back from them. When Israel was founded, others had owned the land for centuries.Yes, I agree that everyone should make it their business to understand the issue. Like I said, the links I provided are a pretty good place to start, but as GL pointed out, it truly is a complex issue at this point. Obviously, all that has been done in the last century can not simply be undone, and the more time passes, the more difficult an equitable solution becomes...that reminds me...it doesnt seem too complicated to me...God gave it to them...it is prophesied that they will have it again...and prophecy is being fulfilled as we speak...but you say they are 'forcing' it? i'm not sure it is possible to 'force' it.

reply from: sweet

i think this is affiliated with WWIII.

reply from: sweet

no, China...i love garlic broccoli with fried rice.

reply from: sweet

nope...i know WWIII will happen, but i don't plan on pulling out my A-K anytime soon to 'make it happen.'

reply from: sheri

It is too bad the Israelies consider that land so sacred, other wise we could bring them over here and make them the 51st state, problem solved. That has got to be the most contensious piece of earth in the world. And the fighting over it has always been dirty, am i right?

reply from: sweet

i just feel that if the Bible says it belongs to jews, it does.

reply from: sweet

?? what Bible?
Numbers 31:17-18 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.speaking of the 'children of Isreal'...which includes men, women, and 'little ones'...Num 31:16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
(Num 31:17) Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
(Num 31:18) But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. 'children' as in 'children of Isreal'...i believe. (King James Bible)

reply from: sweet

apparently it does in fact refer to males, females, adults and 'literal' children...but where does it say rape????

reply from: sweet

apparently it does in fact refer to males, females, adults and 'literal' children...but where does it say rape???? (Num 31:17) Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
(Num 31:18) But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. (King James Bible)

reply from: sweet

apparently it does in fact refer to males, females, adults and 'literal' children...but where does it say rape????
All the adult males had already been killed, sweet. Only the male children and females were kept alive and brought back to camp. Moses ordered the male children and all females who were not virgins killed after the "plague." The female children (virgins) were kept as concubines. Do you think these female prisoners consented to this? The clear implication is that the Israelites took them captive and raped them....
again...where does it say RAPE?

reply from: sweet

(Num 31:17) Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
(Num 31:18) But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. (King James Bible)
is it the 'keep alive for yourselves' part? is this where you get rape/captive/ concubine/pedophile, etc.?

reply from: sweet

(Num 31:17) Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
(Num 31:18) But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. (King James Bible)
is it the 'keep alive for yourselves' part? is this where you get rape/captive/ concubine/pedophile/forcing/non concenting, etc?

reply from: sweet

Of course. Did you read the rest of the thread? I already posted the corresponding Talmudic entries verifying it for doubters. You don't want to believe it, but that doesn't change anything. What do you think "keep the virgins alive for yourselves" means? Do you really not understand the significance of this text, or are you blinded by denial?thread? talmudic? i thought we were analyzing Bible text.

reply from: sweet

(Num 31:17) Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
(Num 31:18) But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. (King James Bible)
is it the 'keep alive for yourselves' part? is this where you get rape/captive/ concubine/pedophile/forcing/non concenting, etc? if you can gather all of this from those 4 words...i'm rather baffled...all i can say is there is the exact quote^ from the Bible...i guess anyone can argue the 'meaning'...but it says what it says...i think the quotation speaks for itself...i might wonder what kind of mind would gather such an interpretation, but i don't know everything so, i'll just stand by the exact quote.

reply from: sweet

Originally posted by: concernedparent
No, this actually refers to women that are not virgins, not necessarily pregnant, though. Of course, pregnant women would have been killed as well, since they obviously were not virgins, so the unborn children would die as well, but there is no specific mention of pregnant women or their unborn children.
This is a story I am quite familiar with, and I have also studied the Talmud in parallel to Numbers 31. It's really quite interesting. Apparently, Moses told his people to kill all the Midianites, but to save the women for themselves. (slaves were like money in the bank, females represented little threat, and every able bodied man can always use a few more concubines...) Unfortunately, "God" was somehow displeased with this arrangement, and he sent a plague upon the Hebrews (I speculate that they caught STDs from some of the women captives), and Moses decreed that they should all be killed except for the virgins (that had not known men by lying with them...this is why I suspect the "plagues" were STDs).
The Talmud gives us more details about what transpired than Christians wanted included in the Bible. I'm not going to type a book here, so I'll c/p part of someone else's commentary...
Children as Concubines, Babies as WivesOK, now going outside of the Bible to other texts/sources/people - just what i expected...again
(Num 31:17) Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
(Num 31:18) But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. (King James Bible)
is it the 'keep alive for yourselves' part? is this where you get rape/captive/ concubine/pedophile/forcing/non concenting, etc? apparently you get it from everywhere exept the Bible.

reply from: sweet

'head in the sand'...rather offensive, but i guess you can say what you want...anyway...EXACT .
(Num 31:18) But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. (King James Bible) there sure are alot of words you have gathered from those 4!

reply from: sweet

are now you saying that 'talmud' is in the Bible and the Bible teaches or promotes pedophilia?!

reply from: sweet

these are the quotes...
(Num 31:17) Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
(Num 31:18) But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. (King James Bible) i don't see 'forced' or 'concubines' or 'slaves.'

reply from: sweet

since there is no time period specified...the child, when she reaches adulthood can obviously be joined with a man...i would in no way think to keep a baby girl alive for sex with her while she's a baby.

reply from: sweet

ADULTHOOD.
the talmud isn't the Bible, by the way.

reply from: sweet

i was hoping you would answer that.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

I see concernedparent referring to a Talmud and Mishnah. The Mishnah was compiled in 200 AD from all records of Jewish Traditions that were available. Scholars studying and interpreting the Mishnah developed the material for the Talmud. The Palestine Talmud existed by 400 AD and the more elaborate Babylonian Talmud by 500 AD. The Babylonian Talmud received wider circulation and acceptance and came to be known as the Talmud.
I put no faith in the "Christian" scholars to tell me about Christianity. I've already concluded they are wholly wrong on many subjects. In fact, I've determined that many are Satan's ministers. I would put little stock in the Talmud. I'll never read it.
If a woman from a defeated nation was to become a man's wife and any of her relatives had been killed, I seem to recall the Bible saying she would be given a period of time for mourning and adjustment before she would become that man's wife. I read nowhere of immediately raping three year old girls. I read nowhere that any of the young girls were to engage in any sexual activities while still young. Maybe the authors of the Talmud are some of the "sons of Satan" that Jesus referred to.
I am one who hates and abhors war. I grew up during Vietnam and was determined to never sign up for the draft. Fortunately, for two years people were not required to register for the draft so I never did. The total annihilation of the occupying Caananites is certainly not something I ever wanted to see. How about a big group hug and let's all be happy instead? But, deadly disagreements are a reality.

reply from: nancyu

Wow, there's a lot of good questions in here. I wonder what the answer is...

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

It is my understanding that Moses compiled Genesis from several previously written books. Some have noted that there seem to be at least 4 different authorship styles in Genesis. I thought, at one time, that I had counted 8 different books within Genesis. For example, Genesis 5:1 says that portion is "The book of the generations of Adam" or in Genesis 10:1 "These are the records of the generations of Shem, Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah; and the sons who were born to them after the flood." I believe many generations before Moses wriiten "records" and "books" existed. In Abraham's day they had money and recorded transactions. I believe writing existed back to Adam. Moses material did not come down to him orally; but had been written down and preserved from the people living at the time the events took place.
Scholars believe Jude, a brother of Jesus, referred to material from a book which claims it was authored by the Enoch of Genesis 5. Jude references the prophesy of Enoch. Enoch was just seven generations from Adam. I believe Enoch himself or a learned scribe of the time may have written the prophesy down. Some scholars believe the Book of Enoch did not appear until the first century BC and was not written by Enoch. It is interesting that people of the first century BC could believe the book was from a much earlier period and that writing could have existed in Enoch's time. Jude reference to this book is: "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince (or convict) all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed...." Whether spurious or not, the Book of Enoch did not become canon (accepted). The Jude book is God breathed.
I believe you are not comfortable with Enoch (or more recent first century BC author) saying the Lord and the saints are coming to execute judgment and convince or convict the ungodly of their deeds. You say it is like the watchmaker blaming the watch for it's imperfections. If a man beats a woman over the head and rapes her you believe God should say, "Oops, my fault! Let me look under the hood young man and I'll have you tuned up in no time." I believe God has given us free will and that he has the right to rule, judge and correct those who are in error; even up to and including destruction for those who practice evil.

reply from: sweet

Reminder: the title of this thread is The BIBLE is Truth! to say that it teaches or promotes pedophilia is pure Bible bashing.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Apparently not...
The alphabet we use today started about 1000 BC with the Phoenicians. In turn, the Greeks and Romans modified the Phoenician alphabet and by today we have our present alphabet. This does not mean writing did not start much earlier. Earlier attempts at writing, such as Hieroglyphics, seemed to start off as pictures but later reflected a combination of both pictures and sounds. Picture writing is ideographic and writing based on sounds is phonetic.
The Semitic languages (Assyrian, Aramaic, Syrian, Canaanitic, Phoenician, Hebrew, Arabic and Ethiopic) have some of the longest recorded history. Only Hebrew remains as a spoken language. These were phonetic languages from which the first true alphabet was developed.
Long before the first true alphabets, cuneiform was used in writing. The earliest known cuneiform writing is from about 3000 BC in the lower Tigris-Euphrates Valley in Mesopotamia (Iraq). If somebody had something important to say, it is documented that cuneiform writing was available as early as 3000 BC. What could be more important than recording a revelation from God? The Hebrew calander says man has only been around 5,776 years. I believe men have been able to write for over 5000 years. I believe the first man Adam himself was an intelligent person. Adam immediately set about improving his language arts. He increased the vocabulary by naming each of the animals. Adam's offspring would have set about creating a system to record information if Adam himself had not begun that task. It is understood that only scribes and learned men had the advanced capability of writing. The Prophet Jeremiah, for example, had a scribe record his messages.
I believe the various books within Genesis were written near the time that the events occurred.

reply from: sweet

You wanted to discus the validity of the Bible. Be careful what you wish for...yeah? not intentionally Bible bash to be spiteful! apparently the Bible is TRUTH no matter where the talmud or koran for that matter comes from or says...to sit here and compare it to any book is pointless - because they can't compare - either way, it doen't change the Bible.

reply from: sweet

again, to say the Bible teaches or promotes pedophilia is ridiculous Bible bashing...especially since the proof of this accusation is extracted from some other source!

reply from: sweet

'The Bible reveals God to be the Creator and Sustainer of all things. He is all powerful, all wise, a God of love, mercy, holiness, righteousness and truth.'
God promised that He would preserve His word...
(Psalms 12:7) "Thou shalt KEEP them, O LORD, thou shalt PRESERVE them from this generation FOR EVER."

reply from: sweet

you're right...the gnat: talmud

reply from: sweet

well, Mr 'know right'...many right people are only right to themselves unfortunately.
(Pro 14:12) There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

reply from: sweet

i use to think i was right about everything all of the time...now i'm thankful that
1. i don't know it all and
2. i know i don't.

reply from: sweet

here's an example of your intellect:
if you know your mother, how do you know it is your mother? that's the same way i know my beliefs are FACT.

reply from: sweet

(Hbr 11:1) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
(Rom 3:27) Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
(Rom 3:28) Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
(Rom 10:8) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(Rom 10:17) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

reply from: sweet

no, i can't understand your difficulty here...most people never even slightly question if it's their mother...why is that?

reply from: sweet

no, i can't understand your difficulty here...most people never even slightly question if it's their mother...why is that?
Because it is reasonable to assume the woman who claims to be your mother actually is. It would be different if we were talking about whether she (or any other entity) actually exists. I can not "know" she is my mother, but I have reason to believe she is. I know she exists because I can see her, hear her, and touch her. If this were not so, I could not "know" she exists... Therein lies the flaw in your analogy.many women exist, why isn't sheila or susie or angie your mother? (who was around at the same time you were born)...you have to know that physical existence doesn't prove that she's your mother...or else she could possibly be mine now since the one i thought to be mine is no longer 'existing.'

reply from: sweet

i'm not wasting my time going there.

reply from: sweet

who created dna? basically what you r saying is 'confirm parentage with God, even though he doesn't exist.'

reply from: sweet

i'm not wasting my time going there.
Of course not. The point is made regardless, however, whether you understand it or not.oh, really? then what's one plus one?

reply from: sweet

any attempt to belittle the Bible doesn't impress me...so you do believe bits and pieces of the Bible or is it completely fiction?

reply from: sweet

so the evidence in the Bible itself doesnt count?

reply from: sweet

oh, i see...i'm definitely, positively sure you can!

reply from: sweet

gotta go for now...CP and everyone, have a good night and good day tomorrow! nice talking to you all...eat well and rest well!

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

No one knows 'who' or what 'created' DNA.
DNA is not proof of God.
Look, we're going around in circles here.
Faith is not evidence.
We want some credible EVIDENCE that God exists.
NOT faith.
We understand that you think that the world is sufficient evidence of God.
However, it is only evidence that the world exists.
Please provide solid, conclusive evidence that God exists that would stand up in a court hearing!
DNA is a written blueprint. DNA is highly organized information. DNA are instructions for building a living entity. It's a lot more complex than the blueprints used to build airplanes or skyscrapers. The DNA wrote itself? Really? Or it was a bad accident? Maybe if you leave a pile of scrap metal in a storage building for a few years and return you can be pleasantly surprised to find that it has organized itself into several useful appliances and implements. Have you ever asked yourself if the watch on your wrist resulted from a series of accidents that evolved the raw materials into a fully functioning precision watch as opposed to some goofy idea about "intelligent design" and a "creator" involved with the watch's creation?

reply from: sheri

CP, Things change, I think things in the Bible maybe true to one generation yet not apply to the next. That is the beauty of having an interpretor to reason these things for the people. You cant count on people seeing the folly of certain things that were done in old testiment times, such as allowing several wives. So you have a priesthood to guide people on the right path. I dont think the Bible was ever meant to be read exclusively by an individual for his own enlightenment i think it was meant to be interpreted by an inspired few, to be handed down by a holy priesthood.

reply from: sweet

No one knows 'who' or what 'created' DNA.
DNA is not proof of God.
Look, we're going around in circles here.
Faith is not evidence.
We want some credible EVIDENCE that God exists.
NOT faith.
We understand that you think that the world is sufficient evidence of God.
However, it is only evidence that the world exists.
Please provide solid, conclusive evidence that God exists that would stand up in a court hearing!(Hbr 11:1) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

reply from: Draiocht

Blah...blah...blah...
Maybe I should just pull out the Druidachtos and start tossing quotes from there, rather than using my own mind.

reply from: cracrat

Isn't that what we had before Martin Luther did his thing? Denying people the opportunity to come up with their own interpretation serves only to hand power to the few.

reply from: Witness

Posted by Vexing:
God, however, has ZERO evidence for existing.
Actually the evidence for God is quite profound. He is proven to exist by the very complexity of our bodies, our world, our universe. Evolution simply doesn't cut it. Things are way too complex; indicating highly intelligent design. Besides if we evolved where are all the bones? Why don't we see the intermediate stages? Why are there still apes? I mean, there are a million leaps of faith in the evolution theory and absolutely no credible evidence.
I wish I had looked at this thread earlier.
Posted by CP -- ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
Surely you're not saying the Bible has nothing to offer because these two scriptures seem to contradict each other? Each must be taken in their own context. You seem to be playing a game here, but I admit I probably should have started reading this sooner. Perhaps we should just start one on the Bible or God?

reply from: cracrat

Actually the evidence for God is quite profound. He is proven to exist by the very complexity of our bodies, our world, our universe. Evolution simply doesn't cut it. Things are way too complex; indicating highly intelligent design. Besides if we evolved where are all the bones? Why don't we see the intermediate stages? Why are there still apes? I mean, there are a million leaps of faith in the evolution theory and absolutely no credible evidence.
Fossils are incredibly rare, hence the gaps in the fossil record. Of the entire population of the United States today, the fossilised that will remain in x million years will amount to less than half a complete skeleton. There are intermediate stages, look up Ambulocetus and Tiktaalik. There are still apes because they still successful fill an ecological niche. Just like there are lions, tigers, cheetahs and leopards. They are all big cats, but they each fill a different niche so exist as examples of the same family.

reply from: sweet

i almost entertained you on your alleged 'contradictions.' according to you 'God created light...but ah - see here - it says He created darkness'...contradiction! *smiles* your creativity is rather amusing.

reply from: sweet

Ask the Pope to clean this up for me so that the Bible comes out "inerrant."
1KI 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.
2CH 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.sure...just like 'it says there is day...but ah...there it says there is night...which one is it? i'm bored with the 'contradictions' already.

reply from: Witness

Posted by Cracat: Fossils are incredibly rare, hence the gaps in the fossil record. Of the entire population of the United States today, the fossilised that will remain in x million years will amount to less than half a complete skeleton. There are intermediate stages, look up Ambulocetus and Tiktaalik. There are still apes because they still successful fill an ecological niche. Just like there are lions, tigers, cheetahs and leopards. They are all big cats, but they each fill a different niche so exist as examples of the same family.
Fossils may be rare, but there would still be some. And, if you're basing this off the theory that the world is billions of years old, carbon dating is highly inacurate. I'll look up Ambulocetus and Tiktaalik, but everything I've seen was fabricated to promote evolution and proven, in time, to be fabrications -- even the ones displayed in museums. And we would still be seeing those intermediates anyway. Evolution is a theory and an ill-supported one at that.

reply from: Witness

Posted by CP -- ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
Surely you're not saying the Bible has nothing to offer because these two scriptures seem to contradict each other? Each must be taken in their own context. You seem to be playing a game here, but I admit I probably should have started reading this sooner.

reply from: Witness

Ambulocetus and Tiktaalik! I can't believe YOU looked them up. Even the scientists for evolution admit there are great gaps -- as in giant leaps of faith -- to fill in before these support evolution.
When society stops searching in an effort to disprove God, we might get at the truth. But as long as the search is predicated on supporting the dream of evolutional --- as in the pure fantasy of it, nothing will be accomplished. What a waste of time.

reply from: Witness

pardon me, the dream of evolution

reply from: Witness

Cracat, perhaps I should go research current adult stem research as well. If this is your idea of logic, you just failed the test.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

I don't read me no gobbly-gook.
There are a lot of hardcore believers in evolution. They receive grants and coveted positions for writing papers that allegedly correctly analyze and interpret scientific data related to evolution; it's what they are paid to do, it's their career. I'm sure they are falling all over themselves to be the first to document that evolution is "fact". In their overzeolousness, I believe their objectivity is left behind.
Maybe you should watch Bein Stein's movie, "Expelled, No Intelligience Allowed".

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

concerned parent said:
That is ridiculous. Evolution has long been established as "fact." The efforts today revolve around attempting to explain the mechanisms by which it has occurred.
My response:
On different issues I've heard you say the other side's position has "obvious" faults. I've heard you characterize some of your positions as undisputable "facts". Just saying, you may be hasty to come to some of your conclusions. Many of these issues may be much more complex than you realize. Possibly, you should reserve judgment on some issues. Certain "evidences" may be false conclusions based on wrong assumptions.
Matthew 11:25 "At that time Jesus answered and said, 'I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.'" I Corinthians 1:26-27 "For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise...."
Those who think they are wise now will be totally astonished at just how wrong they were. Those men who think they can take the world in the right direction based on their intelligence and decision making will be shown to be wrong.

reply from: sweet

here's a well said statement:
'The Holy Bible produces good fruit, because the Holy Spirit bears witness to it like no other book in the world. It is easy to memorize and the beautiful old English language gives the reader the impression that he is reading a Book very different and far superior to the rest. It reads different because it IS different, and it IS different because it has a different Author. Ye shall know them by their fruits, and I know the Bible is the word of God, because it produces GOOD fruit.'

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

That doesn't prove God at all.
Besides, if it somehow did, it could be any of hundreds of deities.
As I said, 'intelligent design' is disproven by the length of time it took. Your 'intelligent' God must be pretty stupid and NOT omnipotent if it took several hundred million years to get things right.[/q]
God says to not despise small beginnings. He says the increase of His Kingdom and peace will go on forever. Is that not acceptable to you that the conclusion is not reached immediately? The creation, government, life and peace will expand forever; more than hundreds of millions of years. You seem to have a problem with that.
I personally believe the Universe started with the "big bang" and God's timeline did not include putting human beings on this earth until a few billion years later. But when a new created entity was placed on the earth, it was all at once, not after transitions evolved.
Currently, the Bible says the whole creation suffers decay. But, the creation groans in anticipation, as of childbirth, for the revealing of the sons of God. It is written that we shall rescue the creation from the law of decay and death. Through our management, we shall bring life to the ever-expanding Universe. The inevitable deteriotation of the creation towards breakdown will be arrested.
You see, God gets His work done through agents; and he prefers living agents.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I believe all deities are actually the same God, but He has either been interpreted or has presented Himself to different cultures in different ways. Like a discoball, many of us only see one tiny facet of the whole.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

You can't do that. Religion is just faith. You don't believe, fine. But some of us do, and that's our right.

reply from: Witness

Posted by CP: Let me know when you do decide to start reading...
I love that fallacious argument, though. You don't accept the fact that evolution has occurred, therefore God must exist? Surely you jest... You do know that evolution has been shown to have occurred, and to still occur, and that the "theories" are attempts to explain how it has occurred, right?
At any rate, the validity of the Bible and evolution science are two distinct topics. If you could prove evolution had never occurred (impossible), that would not validate God or the Bible...Only a moron would suggest otherwise. Please tell me you're not just one more deluded moron.
You are quite the hateful poster aren't you, Cp? No, actually you have it entirely backwards. I proved God first -- before I studied the Bible and way before I considered the ridiculous claim of evolution. Better?
I disagree that evolution has been proven. I've seen nothing that wasn't so full of holes that believing it wasn't more a leap of faith than believing in God. Besides I did prove God, why would I ever take what man says after that? I don't expect you to believe me, in fact, I fully expect you to make some snide/ugly comments and then move on as if I needed a straight jacket. That would be easier and probably more appealing to you, wouldn't it. But you won't move me off my stance and you won't hear me calling you a moron, either, even if you are blind as a bat.

reply from: Witness

Vexing, the evidence for God doesn't need to stand up in man's court, becuase it's a much higher authority. It's like asking the sun to bow to a light bulb.

reply from: Witness

Cp, I printed off all your supposed proof and will look at them. (You must have a lot more free time than I do.)
Don't expect to move me off my stance, though, God is more real to me than you are. But I will read it and look it up, just to be fair.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

As you read or study the material, please remember that these "scientists" get financially rewarded for publishing papers and studies. Important positions and hefty salaries go to the men who publish a sufficient quantity of the best respected papers supposedly showing important scientific "evidence" about evolution.

reply from: Witness

Posted by Cp: 2. Transitional fossils may coexist with gaps.
Well, that didn't take very long, did it? Gaps, as in huge leaps of faith. No, thank you.

reply from: Witness

GodsLaw4Us2Live posted: As you read or study the material, please remember that these "scientists" get financially rewarded for publishing papers and studies. Important positions and hefty salaries go to the men who publish a sufficient quantity of the best respected papers supposedly showing important scientific "evidence" about evolution.
Exactly, they're not interested in the truth. They couldn't handle it if it bit them directly on the nose.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I have no idea why someone can't believe both evolution and the bible. I do. They aren't mutually exclusive!

reply from: sweet

here's another way to call 911! Psalm 911...
Psalm 91:1... He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust. Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence. He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday. A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; [but] it shall not come nigh thee. Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked. Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation; There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling. For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet. Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name. He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him. With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.

reply from: Witness

Cp said: I was somewhat amused that you seemed to have felt threatened by her insincere attempt to maintain a facade of objectivity.
Cp, you certainly are an intellectual bigot. You think that because you accept what these scientists say makes their finding unquestionable. That isn't so. I disagree wholeheartedly. Answer me this, Mr. Who-thinks-people-that-don't-agree-instantly-with-you-are-complete-idiots (you do know you're a bully, don't you?), what do you think your scientists would be saying about the platypus if it had been extinct for a couple of thousand years?
Oh, and just so you don't go away thinking I'm insincere, I'm still looking through those pages and fully intend to research them as well. So you just be patient, big boy, your turn will come.

reply from: sweet

if i were you, i wouldnt give those pages the time of day! i'm sure you have better things to do with your time...but i understand your point. *smiles*

reply from: sweet

Originally posted by: Witness
Cp, you certainly are an intellectual bigot. You think that because you accept what these scientists say makes their finding unquestionable. That isn't so. I disagree wholeheartedly. Answer me this, Mr. Who-thinks-people-that-don't-agree-instantly-with-you-are-complete-idiots (you do know you're a bully, don't you?), what do you think your scientists would be saying about the platypus if it had been extinct for a couple of thousand years? the sad thing is that some actually have joy and take pride in bashing God and his Word.

reply from: Witness

Cp, I'm glad my intellect doesn't depend on your authority. You quoted 27 pages to me. Yet, you act like I should respond in full instantly. It's you that's missing the point. With the way you abuse people, it's a wonder anyone even talks to you, let alone tries to discuss anything with you.
It's a Monday, which means a very busy day. The best I can do is look at it late tonight or tomorrow, that is to study it indepth. But there are few things that jump off the page.
One is your claim that evolution is accepted as fact. The point here is that it's clearly NOT accepted as fact in many circles, including some scientistific ones.
Another is your admitance that there are GAPs -- a few bones that MIGHT add up to something IF all were found, still represent a great leap of faith. And you point these out throughout, almost as if they prove your point. Again, you seem to be arguing that if people don't agree with you, they must be stupid. A little egotistical aren't you? There could be volumes in those gaps, but presuming they prove evolution, is ridiculous.
As far as carbon dating goes, I will admit to being a little flip. The joke in college was that a man threw a bone in his back yard; waited two weeks, then took it in for testing . . . The point I was trying to make is that not everyone buys the theory that the earth is billions of years old. Ever heard of Glen Rose, Texas? Man's footprints right alongside the dinosaur ones?
As for the platypus, nice dodge, but if you're honest it IS relevant. That creature has all sorts of things going. If it was extinct and your scientists dug up just the right pieces . . . well, there's just no telling what they'd come up with.
This time instead of hurling abuse, why don't you try just stating your case like a civilized person . . . or is that too much to ask?

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Translation:
There is no evidence of God that would stand up in court.
I believe we are a highly advanced creation that was made to rule the Universe. We are, in fact, meant to be the same as God. The Bible says there is NO limit to what man will be able to do. NO LIMIT literally means no limits. Today I saw an article titled, "The Crocs could have ruled." A further subtitle talked about dinosaurs. The scientists said they had no idea why the dinosaurs ruled in past history. Poor dumb luck they conclude. Hey, crocs could have been ruling now instead of humans. Pure blind luck. Is that what you believe?
The creation is all around you and it screams intelligent design. Nature didn't sit down with paper and pen in hand and write out the DNA instructions for assembling a fully functional living creature.

reply from: Witness

Vexing: There is no evidence of God that would stand up in court.
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."
Only those who earnestly seek God will find Him for He is not a fool to be easily caught in the traps of man.

reply from: Witness

Posted by Cp: By the way, what is the point behind your claim regarding Einstein?
Merely that Einstein did not make the famed quote for the use it has been given.
Oh, and if anyone's a "0", it's someone who so needs to disprove God that he's resort to bullying to do it.

reply from: sweet

amazing is an understatement of 'God and gestation'...
'FEASTS: In Exodus chapter 12 we find the Passover feast instituted. It was to begin on the fourteenth day of the first month and repeat each year thereafter. During Passover the Jews place an egg, symbolizing new life, on the Passover table.
MEDICAL FACT: On the fourteenth day of the first month the mothers egg appears.
FEASTS: The feast of Unleavened Bread must occur the very next night, on the 15th day of the month, or the feast process will fail.
MEDICAL FACT: Fertilization of the egg must occur within 24 hours or the fertilization process will probably fail.
FEASTS: The feast of Firstfruits occurs next, on the Sunday during the week of Unleavened Bread. It can be from 2-6 days after the feast of Unleavened Bread and is called the Spring Planting of Seed.
MEDICAL FACT: The fertilized egg travels down the tube at its own pace taking anywhere from 2-6 days before it implants. This is the Planting of the Egg.
FEASTS: Pentecost comes 50 days later and, in evangelical circles, celebrates the forming of the Church by the Holy Spirit.
MEDICAL FACT: On the fiftieth day the embryo begins to form into a human fetus.
FEASTS: The Day of Atonement is celebrated on the tenth day of the seventh month. Blood is taken into the Holy of Holies in the Tabernacle.
MEDICAL FACT: On the tenth day of the seventh month the production of red blood cells is taken over by the bone marrow--the inner sanctum of the babies tabernacle.
FEASTS: The Feast of Tabernacles follows on the 15th day of the seventh month. Jews celebrate God breathing the breath of life into Adam.
MEDICAL FACT: By the 15th day of the seventh month the child is capable of breathing air. He or she is a developed "tabernacle" and can be born. However, to achieve maximum strength the child should continue to grow inside its mother for another 80 days. It can thereafter be born and dedicated to the Lord.
FEASTS: 80 days later is the feast of DEDICATION!'

reply from: sweet

something VERY interesting about parents:
"Why would a pregnancy make a difference to a man? Because the man is tied to his partner by means of certain scent hormones called pheremones. These are scent molecules of affiliation. They are not the same as the scent of food or perfume. They are perceived by different cells in the nose and the brain, but this information that they transmit impacts our lives in many ways. They are why women who spend much time together cycle together. Mothers know the smell of their baby right after birth and fathers know it within a few days. It is why we automatically smell the top of the head of a newborn baby we are holding.It seems that men recognize by scent when women are fertile and when they are pregnant. Some men report knowing that their partner was pregnant before she did. I know in our family, my nephew knew my niece was pregnant before she did.
In other cultures it is recognized that 60 to 90% of men will have some symptoms of pregnancy with their wife. I learned about this in an anthropology course at the University of Minnesota many years ago. No one in our culture seems to have heard of this, If the poor man is one of the 20% who are really sick and he goes to the doctor, no doctor ever asks if his partner is pregnant. He just assumes he has a virus and that it will go away. It does, right before birth.
But there is even more to the story. In the 6 weeks before birth, the man undergoes hormonal changes. His testosterone drops, making him less aggressive and sexually interested. His naturally occurring estrogen climbs, making him more gentle. His stress hormone, cortisol, rises and he is in an alert stage, needing to protect mother and child. He gets more of the hormone vasopressin, which is a bonding hormone, effectively Mother Nature's way of saying "sit, stay!" And about the time the baby arrives he gets prolactin, which is the nursing hormone in women. Why would he get that? Well, prolactin makes us nice. We smile more and we are very helpful. Isn't that just what a new mother with a newborn needs? "Of course, I'll go get diapers, even if it is midnight!"
It doesn't even end there. Research on certain monkeys who are good parents finds that the male brain changes. He gets more brain cell growth in the front of his brain, the rational, logical thinking part. Researchers say the cells last until the offspring becomes independent, but don't define at what age independence happens: 2, 12, 22 or 35. At that time, the cells begin to die off.
And, when the hormones return to normal, the testosterone never returns to the pre-fatherhood level or the bachelor level. The man is forever changed by the pregnancy.
Women carry cells from every child they ever conceive, it stated. The phenomena is called "human microchimerism". Early in the pregnancy an exchange of cells begins between mother and child. We are not positive what the means of cellular exchange is, but we know it happens. At the time that the child leaves the mother's body, even more cells are sent to the mother. It also seems that if the pregnancy ends early, an even greater number is transferred.
These cells seem to be some type of stem cell and are stored in the medulla of the mother's brain: where instinct lies, but also throughout her body. They have been found even 37 years later so they appear to be replacing themselves. The current research on the cells is focusing on the fact that in many cases they seem to be reparative cells of some kind. In an early case, a woman with thyroid disease had her thyroid removed. The doctors discovered that the thyroid seemed to be repairing itself and they found that the repaired part were cells of her son.
Might these cells be the missing link in mother's intuition? If we carry cells the rest of our lives, we are truly linked to our children in a biological way!" (this makes sense in terms of why abortion devastates a mother)

reply from: KaylieBee

Every woman is negatively effected by abortion, isn't she, sweet? We're all the same, us humans.
http://imnotsorry.net

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Of course not. How can a document written in a dead language (several languages) nearly 2000 years ago (more in some cases, less in others) and re-translated by countless popes and kings POSSIBLY be inerrant!? It is the framework of a way of faith, and it is a guidebook. Nothing more to me. It is not the absolute truth, and it can't be, since it contradicts itself many times.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Many are convinced that science threatens their beliefs. Sadly, some are obviously simply incapable of understanding the issue.
Even if evolution was contradictory to the Christian faith, it is the height of delusion to ignore what can be proven simply because it fails to align with your preconceived notions of how things are.
It's so sad people are afraid of science. It's also similarly sad that other people are afraid of having faith.

reply from: KaylieBee

Fear and disbelief are not the same thing.

reply from: sweet

it depends...would you call a murdered baby a negative effect or positive?

reply from: sweet

it depends...would you call a murdered baby a negative effect or positive?
Depends entirely on the person.true. some killers are cold and non remorseful.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Disbelief in the face of blinding factual proof is also sad.

reply from: Witness

Cp - You're absolutely right there aren't 27 pages. There are only 24. Print them. I did and there are exactly 24 sheets here -- all from you. And much of it with so much potential research attached it could take months, rather than days. Still think you're not a bully? Only bullies are as abusively demanding as you. Here's some of what I believe . . .
Combining men and apes
The most famous example of an apeman proven to be a combination of ape and human bones is Piltdown man. In 1912, Charles Dawson, a medical doctor and an amateur paleontologist, discovered a mandible (lower jawbone) and part of a skull in a gravel pit near Piltdown, England. The jawbone was apelike but had teeth that showed wear similar to the human pattern. The skull, on the other hand, was very humanlike. These two specimens were combined to form what was called "Dawn man," which was calculated to be 500,000 years old.
The whole thing turned out to be an elaborate hoax. The skull was indeed human (about 500 years old), while the jaw was that of a modern female orangutan whose teeth had been obviously filed to crudely resemble the human wear pattern. Indeed, the long ape canine tooth was filed down so far that it exposed the pulp chamber, which was then filled in to hide the mischief. It would seem that any competent scientist examining this tooth would have concluded that it was either a hoax or the world's first root canal! The success of this hoax for over 50 years, in spite of the careful scrutiny of the best authorities in the world, led the human evolutionist Sir Solly Zuckerman to declare: "It is doubtful if there is any science at all in the search for man's fossil ancestry."1
Making man out of apes
Many apemen are merely apes that evolutionists have attempted to upscale to fill the gap between apes and men. These include all the australopithecines, as well as a host of other extinct apes such as Ardipithecus, Orrorin, Sahelanthropus and Kenyanthropus. All have obviously ape skulls, ape pelvises and ape hands and feet. Nevertheless, australopithecines (especially Australopithecus afarensis) are often portrayed as having hands and feet identical to modern man, a ramrod-straight, upright posture and a human gait.
The best-known specimen of A. afarensis is the fossil commonly known as "Lucy." A life-like mannequin of "Lucy" in the Living World exhibit at the St. Louis Zoo shows a hairy humanlike female body with human hands and feet but with an obviously apelike head. The three-foot-tall Lucy stands erect in a deeply pensive pose with her right forefinger curled under her chin, her eyes gazing off into the distance as if she were contemplating the mind of Newton.
Few visitors are aware that this is a gross misrepresentation of what is known about the fossil ape Australopithecus afarensis. These apes are known to be long-armed knuckle-walkers with locking wrists. Both the hands and feet of this creature are clearly apelike. Paleoanthropologists Jack Stern and Randall Sussman2 have reported that the hands of this species are "surprisingly similar to hands found in the small end of the pygmy chimpanzee-common chimpanzee range." They report that the feet, like the hands, are "long, curved and heavily muscled" much like those of living tree-dwelling primates. The authors conclude that no living primate has such hands and feet "for any purpose other than to meet the demands of full or part-time arboreal (tree-dwelling) life."
Despite evidence to the contrary, evolutionists and museums continue to portray Lucy (A. Afarensis) with virtually human feet (though some are finally showing the hands with long curved fingers).
Making apes out of man
In an effort to fill the gap between apes and men, certain fossil men have been declared to be "apelike" and thus, ancestral to at least "modern" man. You might say this latter effort seeks to make a "monkey" out of man. Human fossils that are claimed to be "apemen" are generally classified under the genus Homo (meaning "self"). These include Homo erectus, Homo heidelbergensis and Homo neanderthalensis.
The best-known human fossils are of Cro-Magnon man (whose marvelous paintings are found on the walls of caves in France) and Neandertal man. Both are clearly human and have long been classified as Homo sapiens. In recent years, however, Neandertal man has been downgraded to a different species - Homo neanderthalensis.
Neandertal man was first discovered in 1856 by workmen digging in a limestone cave in the Neander valley near Dusseldorf, Germany. The fossil bones were examined by an anatomist (professor Schaafhausen) who concluded that they were human.
At first, not much attention was given to these finds, but with the publication of Darwin's Origin of Species in 1859, the search began for the imagined "apelike ancestors" of man. Darwinians argued that Neandertal man was an apelike creature, while many critical of Darwin (like the great anatomist Rudolph Virchow) argued that Neandertals were human in every respect, though some appeared to be suffering from rickets or arthritis.
Over 300 Neandertal specimens have now been found scattered throughout most of the world, including Belgium, China, Central and North Africa, Iraq, the Czech republic, Hungary, Greece, northwestern Europe, and the Middle East. This race of men was characterized by prominent eyebrow ridges (like modern Australian Aborigines), a low forehead, a long narrow skull, a protruding upper jaw and a strong lower jaw with a short chin. They were deep-chested, large-boned individuals with a powerful build. It should be emphasized, however, that none of these features fall outside the range of normal human anatomy. Interestingly, the brain size (based on cranial capacity) of Neandertal man was actually larger than average for that of modern man, though this is rarely emphasized.
Most of the misconceptions about Neandertal man resulted from the claims of the Frenchman Marcelin Boule who, in 1908, studied two Neandertal skeletons that were found in France (LeMoustier and La Chapelle-aux-Saints). Boule declared Neandertal men to be anatomically and intellectually inferior brutes who were more closely related to apes than humans. He asserted that they had a slumped posture, a "monkey-like" arrangement of certain spinal vertebrae and even claimed that their feet were of a "grasping type" (like those of gorillas and chimpanzees). Boule concluded that Neandertal man could not have walked erectly, but rather must have walked in a clumsy fashion. These highly biased and inaccurate views prevailed and were even expanded by many other evolutionists up to the mid-1950s.
In 1957, the anatomists William Straus and A. J. Cave examined one of the French Neandertals (La Chapelle-aux-Saints) and determined that the individual suffered from severe arthritis (as suggested by Virchow nearly 100 years earlier), which had affected the vertebrae and bent the posture. The jaw also had been affected. These observations are consistent with the Ice Age climate in which Neandertals had lived. They may well have sought shelter in caves and this, together with poor diet and lack of sunlight, could easily have lead to diseases that affect the bones, such as rickets.
In addition to anatomical evidence, there is a growing body of cultural evidence for the fully human status of Neandertals. They buried their dead and had elaborate funeral customs that included arranging the body and covering it with flowers. They made a variety of stone tools and worked with skins and leather. A wood flute was recently discovered among Neandertal remains. There is even evidence that suggests that he engaged in medical care. Some Neandertal specimens show evidence of survival to old age despite numerous wounds, broken bones, blindness and disease. This suggests that these individuals were cared for and nurtured by others who showed human compassion.
Still, efforts continue to be made to somehow dehumanize Neandertal man. Many evolutionists now even insist that Neanderthal man is not even directly related to modern man because of some differences in a small fragment of DNA! There is, in fact, nothing about Neandertals that is in any way inferior to modern man. One of the world's foremost authorities on Neandertal man, Erik Trinkaus, concludes: "Detailed comparisons of Neanderthal skeletal remains with those of modern humans have shown that there is nothing in Neanderthal anatomy that conclusively indicates locomotor, manipulative, intellectual or linguistic abilities inferior to those of modern humans."3
Conclusion
Why then are there continued efforts to make apes out of man and man out of apes? In one of the most remarkably frank and candid assessments of the whole subject and methodology of paleoanthropology, Dr. David Pilbeam (a distinguished professor of anthropology) suggested the following:
Perhaps generations of students of human evolution, including myself, have been flailing about in the dark; that our data base is too sparse, too slippery, for it to be able to mold our theories. Rather the theories are more statements about us and ideology than about the past. Paleoanthropology reveals more about how humans view themselves than it does about how humans came about. But that is heresy.4
Oh, that these heretical words were printed as a warning on every textbook, magazine, newspaper article and statue that presumes to deal with the bestial origin of man!
No, we are not descended from apes. Rather, God created man as the crown of His creation on Day Six. We are a special creation of God, made in His image, to bring Him glory. What a revolution this truth would make, if our evolutionized culture truly understood it!
Footnotes
1. Zuckerman, S., Beyond the Ivory Tower, p. 64, 1970. Back
2. American Journal of Physical Anthropology 60:279 - 317, 1983. Back
3. Natural History 87:10, 1978. Back

reply from: Witness

And here are a few of the scientists who support this view:
. Dr. William Arion, Biochemistry, Chemistry
. Dr. Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
. Dr. E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
. Dr. James Allan, Geneticist
. Dr. Steve Austin, Geologist
. Dr. S.E. Aw, Biochemist
. Dr. Thomas Barnes, Physicist
. Dr. Geoff Barnard, Immunologist
. Dr. Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert
. Dr. John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics
. Dr. Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
. Dr. Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology
. Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology
. Dr. Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist
. Dr. Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology
. Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry
. Dr. David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer
. Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics
. Dr. David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist (read his testimony)
. Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics
. Dr. Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
. Dr. Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering
. Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering
. Dr. Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist (interview)
. Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education
. Dr. John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering
. Dr. Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist
. Dr. Bob Compton, DVM
. Dr. Ken Cumming, Biologist
. Dr. Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist
. Dr. William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics
. Dr. Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering
. Dr. Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist
. Dr. Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging
. Dr. Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist
. Dr. Nancy M. Darrall, Botany
. Dr. Bryan Dawson, Mathematics
. Dr. Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry
. Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
. Dr. David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
. Dr. Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div
. Dr. David Down, Field Archaeologist
. Dr. Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist
. Dr. Ted Driggers, Operations research
. Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research
. Dr. André Eggen, Geneticist
. Dr. Dudley Eirich, Molecular Biologist
. Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics
. Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy
. Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
. Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry
. Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology
. Dr. Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science
. Dr. Paul Giem, Medical Research
. Dr. Maciej Giertych, Geneticist
. Dr. Duane Gish, Biochemist
. Dr. Werner Gitt, Information Scientist
. Dr. Warwick Glover, General Surgeon
. Dr. D.B. Gower, Biochemistry
. Dr. Robin Greer, Chemist, History
. Dr. Dianne Grocott, Psychiatrist
. Dr. Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist
. Dr. Donald Hamann, Food Scientist
. Dr. Barry Harker, Philosopher
. Dr. Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics
. Dr. John Hartnett, Physicist and Cosmologist
. Dr. Mark Harwood, Satellite Communications
. Dr. George Hawke, Environmental Scientist
. Dr. Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist
. Dr. Harold R. Henry, Engineer
. Dr. Jonathan Henry, Astronomy
. Dr. Joseph Henson, Entomologist
. Dr. Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy
. Dr. Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service
. Dr. Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist
. Dr. Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science
. Dr. Bob Hosken, Biochemistry
. Dr. George F. Howe, Botany
. Dr. Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist
. Dr. Russell Humphreys, Physicist
. Dr. James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology
. Evan Jamieson, Hydrometallurgy
. George T. Javor, Biochemistry
. Dr. Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist
. Dr. Arthur Jones, Biology
. Dr. Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon
. Dr. Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist
. Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology
. Dr. Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics
. Dr. Dean Kenyon, Biologist
. Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology
. Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry
. Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry
. Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry
. Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science
. Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry
. Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering
. Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science
. Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering
. Dr. John W. Klotz, Biologist
. Dr. Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology
. Dr. Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology
. Dr. John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry
. Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics
. Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology
. Dr. John Leslie, Biochemist
. Dr. Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist
. Dr. Alan Love, Chemist
. Dr. Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist:
. Dr. John Marcus, Molecular Biologist
. Dr. George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher
. Dr. Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist
. Dr. John McEwan, Chemist
. Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics
. Dr. David Menton, Anatomist
. Dr. Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist
. Dr. John Meyer, Physiologist
. Dr. Albert Mills, Animal Embryologist/Reproductive Physiologist
. Colin W. Mitchell, Geography
. Dr. Tommy Mitchell, Physician
. Dr. John N. Moore, Science Educator
. Dr. John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist
. Dr. Henry M. Morris (1918 - 2006), founder of the Institute for Creation Research.
. Dr. Arlton C. Murray, Paleontologist
. Dr. John D. Morris, Geologist
. Dr. Len Morris, Physiologist
. Dr. Graeme Mortimer, Geologist
. Dr. Terry Mortenson, History of Geology
. Stanley A. Mumma, Architectural Engineering
. Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering
. Dr. Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher
. Dr. David Oderberg, Philosopher
. Prof. John Oller, Linguistics
. Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology
. Dr. John Osgood, Medical Practitioner
. Dr. Charles Pallaghy, Botanist
. Dr. Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology)
. Dr. David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon
. Prof. Richard Porter
. Dr. Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics
. Dr. John Rankin, Cosmologist
. Dr. A.S. Reece, M.D.
. Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics
. Dr. Jung-Goo Roe, Biology
. Dr. David Rosevear, Chemist
. Dr. Ariel A. Roth, Biology
. Dr. Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist
. Dr. Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist:
. Dr. Ian Scott, Educator
. Dr. Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist
. Dr. Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry
. Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science
. Dr. Mikhail Shulgin, Physics
. Dr. Emil Silvestru, Geologist/karstologist
. Dr. Roger Simpson, Engineer
. Dr. Harold Slusher, Geophysicist
. Dr. E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist
. Arthur E. Wilder-Smith (1915 - 1995) Three science doctorates; a creation science pioneer
. Dr. Andrew Snelling, Geologist
. Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science
. Dr. Timothy G. Standish, Biology
. Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education
. Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer
. Dr. Esther Su, Biochemistry
. Dr. Charles Taylor, Linguistics
. Dr. Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering
. Dr. Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics
. Dr. Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
. Dr. Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry
. Dr. Royal Truman, Organic Chemist:
. Dr. Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
. Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist
. Dr. Joachim Vetter, Biologist
. Sir Cecil P. G. Wakeley (1892 - 1979) Surgeon
. Dr. Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist
. Dr. Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer
. Dr. Keith Wanser, Physicist
. Dr. Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)
. Dr. A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
. Dr. John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist
. Dr. Carl Wieland, Medical doctor
. Dr. Lara Wieland, Medical doctor
. Dr. Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist
. Dr. Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist
. Prof. Verna Wright, Rheumatologist (deceased 1997)
. Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics
. Dr. Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering
. Dr. Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics
. Dr. Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology
. Dr. Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
. Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
. Dr. Henry Zuill, Biology

reply from: Witness

Cp: Your method of discussion is to berate, belittle, and overwhelm. You contend that since scientists you believe say something is so it has to be. You ignore the reality that for years scientific efforts have been deliberately slanted towards disproving God, creation, and the Bible rather than proving what is. Anyone who dares voice an oposing opinion is labeled stupid, liar, etc. You're so convinced of your own superiorty that you not only have no respect for anyone who doesn't meet your standards (which require submission to your theories), you consider it your obligation to at least attempt to destroy them.
Well, I don't need your respect or I don't need your approval. Your accusing me of being stupid, etc., doesn't make me so. Your slanted evidence doesn't prove your point, either. All you've proven is that you are truly a nasty, man with a heart full of hate. I meet your kind all the time. By the time you realize what your hatefulness really earned you in life, it'll be too late. I'm going to find the feature that prevents me from seeing your posts. Of all the people on this forum, you are the only one I won't waste my time on.

reply from: sweet

there have been amazing codes found in the Bible...i'll post more on this! anyone else hear about it?

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

I hope you don't mean the Da Vinci code. The Bible is written as a parabale for the purpose of keeping the majority of mankind from understanding it. But the one who obeys has a good understanding.
I see cp says evolution deniers include HIV deniers.
Can I make the comparison that evolution believers include those who believe in UFOs from other planets. I take extraterristials as seriously as bigfoot and ghosts. It seems there was a show on about UFOs last night. It seems to me a strong believer in life happening by accident would also believe life happened by accident elsewhere in the Universe....then these advanced life forms come visiting....
I use to think believers in UFOs were drug using crazies. But it is the scientific community and others. I use to think believers in evolution were just plain dumb. But, it appears it's the intelligent that are hoodwinked. Still, the Bible calls them fools as compared to the wise. An example is the star of X-Files, a searcher for aleins, but in reality, nothing but a sexually immoral pervert (a fool, not wise).

reply from: cracrat

Yeah, I've got a book at home about it. Some Isreali (I think) Professor wrote a computer program that takes out all the spaces between the words in the Bible, essentially turning it into a giant word search, then finds references to historical events such as the Cold War, various assassinations and the first Gulf War. I must say, I'm very sceptical since you only really know what you're looking for after the event, so it's not much use as a devining tool.

reply from: KaylieBee

Wtf at the list of HIV deniers.

reply from: nancyu

http://imnotsorry.net/newstories17.htm
http://imnotsorry.net/dianaA.htm
I've seen this site before, and I'm not impressed.
This website is full of selfish (to put it mildly) women who think only their own desires matter. Her boyfriend thought he was pro choice until it was his own child about to be murdered. She had no empathy for him whatsoever. No feeling whatsoever for her own child. All she could think about was what would happen to her. She describes the abortion as a horrible experience and then she says she is thankful ??? huh??? What am I missing here? Or maybe I should ask what is she missing? What are you missing kayliebee? Are you sure you are human? I'm not so sure you are.
What has happened to many women today? All that seems to matter is career and success. I just don't understand.
Abortion needs to be stopped. Women need to wake the **** up, and realize what they are doing here. We're allowing babies to be slaughtered. And you're just all okay with this, right kaylie?

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Um...dude.
He's an actor.
He's not actually looking for aliens.
Maybe your parents never told you, but not everything on the Tee-Vee is real.
After I posted I thought I should point out that I consider TV and real life as the same; but I didn't bother. The former X-Files star is the star of Californication. Both X-Files and Californication are meant to reflect real life. You don't think the shows are to reflect fairy tales that no one would buy as real? In real life, many believe in aliens and the fornication lifestyle. It seems the former X-Files star lived out what he acted in real life; he checked into a treatment center for sex addiction.
Supporters of evolution, belief in aliens and actors in sexually degenerate shows are prime candidates to be driven by sexually excessive behaviors. Hypocrites (the greek word for actors) are also prone to sexual deviance and lawlessness.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Um, why?
If you let your kids watch that stuff and they pick up the deviant behaviors they learn from the TV shows you will indeed see that TV is real, and life will reflect what is promoted by the tube.
The actors themselves can't help but find acceptance for many of the obscene behaviors that they engage in on TV.
Sometimes it seems Vexing also displays the same lack of sense you teenagers have.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Hey, have you seen Journey to the Center of the Earth?
There's like a WHOLE OTHER PLANET inside this one!
TV says it's true, so it must be!
LAWL!!!
That was a favorite of mine as a kid....the 1950s version. However, modern shows have an agenda. The Titantic for example. They had to have gratuitus fornication in the movie. It could have been a wonderful movie without the sin. TV promotes a lawless lifestyle while going about the story. Yes, the story may be about aliens, ghosts, or bigfoot, but what I mean by TV being reality is that these shows will always make it a point to promote lawless behavior, usually sexual immorality. That is the reality TV and movie producers are working to make reality in this society; to gain further acceptance for perverse excessive lifestyles.

reply from: KaylieBee

That's why you teach your kids TV isn't real, and they shouldn't act the way characters do, SINCE THE CHARACTERS ARE NOT REAL.

reply from: KaylieBee

When I watched The Titanic as a child I had no idea what was happening in the sex scene.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

When I watched The Titanic as a child I had no idea what was happening in the sex scene.
In the 1960s when I watched movies such as Journey to the Center of the Earth (1950s) there was not a sex scene. If that movie was remade after 2000, I can bet you they put in a sex scene. In this sex crazed age, putting a sex scene in is almost mandatory. Movie producers are obsessed with sex.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

So, how many movie producers have you met?
I've met one; Peter Jackson.
Does anyone else remember any sex scenes in LotR?
Because I don't.
I don't remember any in Batman Begins/Dark Knight OR ANY of the Harry Potter movies or the Star Wars movies or any of the Star Trek movies... And aside from that, what's bad about being obsessed about sex? We're animals; we're kinda wired to spread our genes you know.

reply from: sweet

I hope you don't mean the Da Vinci code. The Bible is written as a parabale for the purpose of keeping the majority of mankind from understanding it. But the one who obeys has a good understanding.
I see cp says evolution deniers include HIV deniers.
Can I make the comparison that evolution believers include those who believe in UFOs from other planets. I take extraterristials as seriously as bigfoot and ghosts. It seems there was a show on about UFOs last night. It seems to me a strong believer in life happening by accident would also believe life happened by accident elsewhere in the Universe....then these advanced life forms come visiting....
I use to think believers in UFOs were drug using crazies. But it is the scientific community and others. I use to think believers in evolution were just plain dumb. But, it appears it's the intelligent that are hoodwinked. Still, the Bible calls them fools as compared to the wise. An example is the star of X-Files, a searcher for aleins, but in reality, nothing but a sexually immoral pervert (a fool, not wise).
the codes are awesome patterns in the english kjv - numerical patterns and such.

reply from: sweet

in greek, the number value for Jesus is 888...in the English Bible(kjv) in GENESIS 1, if you count 8 letters, you get "g"...then count 8 more letters, you get "o"...then count 8 more letters, you get "d"!! AWESOME!

reply from: sweet

God's special number design...
"The number system of god is stamped upon all His works. All departments of nature are based on a system of mathematics--great mathematical laws govern the activities of the entire universe.
For instance, in the sphere of light, there are exactly seven colors. The seven colors merged together form light. In the sphere of music there are exactly seven whole tones in the scale, while every eighth note begins a new octave and is merely a repetition of the first note. The seven colors correspond to the seven notes in music, and sounds that harmonize correspond with colors that harmonize, while discords in color correspond with discords in music.
The human body is completely renewed or changed every seven years. Every part of the body is constantly throwing off old effete matter, and constantly receiving deposits of new and living matter. In seven years the whole structure is altered down to the minutest particles and becomes essentially a new body. In certain diseases, the seventh, fourteenth, and twenty-first are critical days. Man's pulse beats slower every seventh day whether he is sick or well. In diseases resulting from physical exhaustion, the pulse changes every seventh day. With the human being, the period of gestation is 280 days (7 x 40). Indeed, seven is stamped upon physiology. Is it not significant that God ordained every seventh day to be a day of rest, and that He declared man's years to be "Three-score and ten" (7 x 10)?"

reply from: sweet

Question: do you think the straying away from God and his Word has anything to do with why this world is in downward spiral?

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

You were reading my mind. I almost posted exactly the same thing, and I mean exactly. Strange to agree on something. Well, I probably wouldn't have used the expressive bul****, but I was ready to say the Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. Then I figured Sweet would go into a special discourse on how the King James Version was somehow enlightened, so I figured I would not waste my time.

reply from: sweet

You were reading my mind. I almost posted exactly the same thing, and I mean exactly. Strange to agree on something. Well, I probably wouldn't have used the expressive bul****, but I was ready to say the Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. Then I figured Sweet would go into a special discourse on how the King James Version was somehow enlightened, so I figured I would not waste my time.is it fair to say that everything coming out of your mouth is also **** because man's first language wasn't English? of course not. obviously facts and truth still comes out - right?

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

You were reading my mind. I almost posted exactly the same thing, and I mean exactly. Strange to agree on something. Well, I probably wouldn't have used the expressive bul****, but I was ready to say the Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. Then I figured Sweet would go into a special discourse on how the King James Version was somehow enlightened, so I figured I would not waste my time.is it fair to say that everything coming out of your mouth is also **** because man's first language wasn't English? of course not. obviously facts and truth still comes out - right?
To be fair, would the other language translations also have codes based on that language?
I believe the only way knowledge is hidden within the Bible is based on your behavior. Those who enjoy unrighteous behavior just don't see a problem or a message for them in the Bible. The Bible says that those who obey have a good understanding. Those who actually do what God says have comprehension of what God is getting at, what God is about, and what God is trying to say.
There are a lot of mathematical predictions in the Bible. People are suppose to calculate when certain events are to take place. Nehemiah, for example, based on the writings of Jeremiah, knew when the return to Jerusalem was to take place. The wise men of Jesus time calculated when he would appear based on the writings of the Prophets. Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel and others predicted when and how certain future events would occur. In fact, nearly all books of the Bible contain prophecy. Daniel predicted one event after another accurately in his book regarding governments and rulers therefore scholars said he could not have been the Daniel of Nebuchaddnezar's day but a much later writer.

reply from: sweet

You were reading my mind. I almost posted exactly the same thing, and I mean exactly. Strange to agree on something. Well, I probably wouldn't have used the expressive bul****, but I was ready to say the Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. Then I figured Sweet would go into a special discourse on how the King James Version was somehow enlightened, so I figured I would not waste my time.is it fair to say that everything coming out of your mouth is also **** because man's first language wasn't English? of course not. obviously facts and truth still comes out - right?
To be fair, would the other language translations also have codes based on that language?
I believe the only way knowledge is hidden within the Bible is based on your behavior. Those who enjoy unrighteous behavior just don't see a problem or a message for them in the Bible. The Bible says that those who obey have a good understanding. Those who actually do what God says have comprehension of what God is getting at, what God is about, and what God is trying to say.
There are a lot of mathematical predictions in the Bible. People are suppose to calculate when certain events are to take place. Nehemiah, for example, based on the writings of Jeremiah, knew when the return to Jerusalem was to take place. The wise men of Jesus time calculated when he would appear based on the writings of the Prophets. Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel and others predicted when and how certain future events would occur. In fact, nearly all books of the Bible contain prophecy. Daniel predicted one event after another accurately in his book regarding governments and rulers therefore scholars said he could not have been the Daniel of Nebuchaddnezar's day but a much later writer.there are codes in the original language also...although there are some people tainting these facts with claims that there are obscene codes and future telling (which there's not). anyway, the codes is just something extra that shows the uniqueness of the Bible. i study the King James Version - i'm not sure about the newer versions - they are suspicious to me - i think it takes more than just printing words and writing the word "Bible" on it. it takes devine inspiration which is clear and evident in King James Bible - where there are scientific accuracies such as the earth being round...the list goes on and on.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

You were reading my mind. I almost posted exactly the same thing, and I mean exactly. Strange to agree on something. Well, I probably wouldn't have used the expressive bul****, but I was ready to say the Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. Then I figured Sweet would go into a special discourse on how the King James Version was somehow enlightened, so I figured I would not waste my time.is it fair to say that everything coming out of your mouth is also **** because man's first language wasn't English? of course not. obviously facts and truth still comes out - right?
To be fair, would the other language translations also have codes based on that language?
I believe the only way knowledge is hidden within the Bible is based on your behavior. Those who enjoy unrighteous behavior just don't see a problem or a message for them in the Bible. The Bible says that those who obey have a good understanding. Those who actually do what God says have comprehension of what God is getting at, what God is about, and what God is trying to say.
There are a lot of mathematical predictions in the Bible. People are suppose to calculate when certain events are to take place. Nehemiah, for example, based on the writings of Jeremiah, knew when the return to Jerusalem was to take place. The wise men of Jesus time calculated when he would appear based on the writings of the Prophets. Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel and others predicted when and how certain future events would occur. In fact, nearly all books of the Bible contain prophecy. Daniel predicted one event after another accurately in his book regarding governments and rulers therefore scholars said he could not have been the Daniel of Nebuchaddnezar's day but a much later writer.there are codes in the original language also...although there are some people tainting these facts with claims that there are obscene codes and future telling (which there's not). anyway, the codes is just something extra that shows the uniqueness of the Bible. i study the King James Version - i'm not sure about the newer versions - they are suspicious to me - i think it takes more than just printing words and writing the word "Bible" on it. it takes devine inspiration which is clear and evident in King James Bible - where there are scientific accuracies such as the earth being round...the list goes on and on.
The Bible does appear to make some incredibly advanced scientific statements in it's day, which many overlook as coincidental. It says the earth is round, the earth is suspended on nothing, everything that is created was made out of things that are not visible, only light makes things visible, things will expand and grow forever, etc. Some of these things may seem obvious today, but ancient people thought the earth had some kind of support and Greeks thought things were made out of a combination of four main ingredients (wind, water, earth, fire). Muslim writings indicate that a living entity carries the sun across the sky each day in a chariot. The Bible doesn't make such outrageous statements.
I trust the "Received Test" more than the modern translations. English Translations of the last two centuries are based on two older manuscripts that seem to exhibit more error and omissions than the "Recieved Text". The NIV, Living Bible, etc are all based on the two older texts that were assumed to be better because of their greater age. I trust the word for word translations over the paraphrase or thought for though translations. Literal word for word translations includes the "Received Text" King James Version and two versions based on the older manuscripts called the English Standard Version and New American Standard Bible (Not the Catholic NAS but the NASB).
The NIV and Living Bible are both weak because they are either thought for thought/paraphrases and also based on the older manuscripts that seem to contain errors and omissions. The NIV (New International Version) is one of today's most popular Bible because it is easy to read and understand. However, that does not make it correct. The KJV has archaic language and is difficult to comprehend.

reply from: sweet

this country needs to return to its Biblical roots - and fast! taking God out of america brought all sorts of wickedness in - there is more now than ever before...too many are blinded by "love" and "happiness." men are having sex with men because they're in 'love' and want to be 'happy'...mothers are killing their children in order to be 'happy' with only wanted children or no children. marriages are ending because they're not 'happy' or no longer in 'love'...people must realize that this 'love' that is of this world is counterfeit...the happiness that is of this world is counterfeit. we must not confuse Love with lust or happiness with selfishness.

reply from: sweet

Reminder:
"Love covereth all sins."

reply from: sweet

we can choose not to follow in the footsteps of evil doers - why is that seen as so wrong to want to do right?

reply from: sweet

Many people would like you to believe that there is no right or wrong...but there is and they are wrong!

reply from: BossMomma

Nope, the world was full of murder under your god's law as well. There was also child abuse, abuse of women and, slavery.

reply from: sweet

Nope, the world was full of murder under your god's law as well. There was also child abuse, abuse of women and, slavery.we can't deny that things are far worse today than ever.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Many other cultures have wonderful laws and ethics (some far more civilized than early Christianity) without the Christian God.

reply from: BossMomma

Nope, the world was full of murder under your god's law as well. There was also child abuse, abuse of women and, slavery.we can't deny that things are far worse today than ever.
How so? Because every pregnancy is not gestated and delivered? Many pregnancies end in natural miscarriage. Today women have rights, children have rights, slavery is abolished and, genocide is outlawed. God's people can no longer sweep through someone's land like a plague killing men, women, children and, unborn fetii. Murder is illegal and punished accordingly by man's law. Your god was a tyrant, a wolf in sheep's clothing.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

The Bible says the reason why we have laws are for the lawless and disobedient. The laws are a schoolmaster, a written set of boundaries within which a person is to stay. Governments come up with laws to reduce chaos and anarchy and create civilized behavior. Some governments come up with better systems of law, policing and civilization to control the beast in man. However, the true problem is the nature of man himself. His thoughts, desires and lusts, which, if left to break out of man, would cause untold harm and damage.
The Bible says a person MUST change. The way one thinks, his thoughts, who and what he is must change. Man must actually become love, otherwise, he is nothing. Man MUST become perfect. He must replace unpure thoughts with whatever is lovely, pleasant and true. Man must become a new creation. Salvation is based on man becoming love rather than remaining a murderer, no one comes just as they are. Man's character and nature must change.

reply from: BossMomma

The Bible says the reason why we have laws are for the lawless and disobedient. The laws are a schoolmaster, a written set of boundaries within which a person is to stay. Governments come up with laws to reduce chaos and anarchy and create civilized behavior. Some governments come up with better systems of law, policing and civilization to control the beast in man. However, the true problem is the nature of man himself. His thoughts, desires and lusts, which, if left to break out of man, would cause untold harm and damage.
The Bible says a person MUST change. The way one thinks, his thoughts, who and what he is must change. Man must actually become love, otherwise, he is nothing. Man MUST become perfect. He must replace unpure thoughts with whatever is lovely, pleasant and true. Man must become a new creation. Salvation is based on man becoming love rather than remaining a murderer, no one comes just as they are. Man's character and nature must change.
Well, the bible can say that I must become a bird and fly for all I care.

reply from: KaylieBee

The Bible says the reason why we have laws are for the lawless and disobedient. The laws are a schoolmaster, a written set of boundaries within which a person is to stay. Governments come up with laws to reduce chaos and anarchy and create civilized behavior. Some governments come up with better systems of law, policing and civilization to control the beast in man. However, the true problem is the nature of man himself. His thoughts, desires and lusts, which, if left to break out of man, would cause untold harm and damage.
The Bible says a person MUST change. The way one thinks, his thoughts, who and what he is must change. Man must actually become love, otherwise, he is nothing. Man MUST become perfect. He must replace unpure thoughts with whatever is lovely, pleasant and true. Man must become a new creation. Salvation is based on man becoming love rather than remaining a murderer, no one comes just as they are. Man's character and nature must change.
Weren't you whinging the other day about how hate speech laws limit your rights, yet now you're happily saying how a good person will change his thoughts in accordance to biblical law?

reply from: sweet

how so? rights? like to quietly kill their children? children have rights? like to legally die at the hands of their own mother? slavery is abolished? news to me...the slaves of blood money is what keeps abortionists killing. genocide is outlawed? news to me...last i checked, it is legal to kill your own babies in unlimilted numbers. and uum, abortion is an evil plague if i've ever seen one...(God is the one who gives immunity to it).

reply from: scopia1982

how so? rights? like to quietly kill their children? children have rights? like to legally die at the hands of their own mother? slavery is abolished? news to me...the slaves of blood money is what keeps abortionists killing. genocide is outlawed? news to me...last i checked, it is legal to kill your own babies in unlimilted numbers. and uum, abortion is an evil plague if i've ever seen one...(God is the one who gives immunity to it).
In this case sweet I agree with you 100% BM is a Wiccan and yet by her posts she sounds angry at our GOD. Which I would take as an acknowledgment that our God exist.

reply from: scopia1982

I hear this line of crap so often.
"They are angry at my god, which means they believe in my god."
That's complete bull. They are angry at the ideals your religion has and the damage it has done to the world and humanity.
Get it?
They are angry at your religion.
That is in no way an acknowledgment of the existence of your magic sky daddy.
Oh really alot of religions have done damage to humanity. Alot of evil has been done in the name of religion. Christianity, Islam etc. I will not deny historical fact.Many pagan religions practice human sacrifice, including my Irish ancestors. If they are not a part of my religion than they have no reason to be angry at it. Of all people in human history nobody had more of a profound impact than Jesus Christ. His teachings have influenced more people than any other figure in History. Atheism is a religion because many feel compelled to prosyltize the non existance of God to those who believe and those who refuse to accept their rhetoric are labeled as unintelligent, supertisious etc. In times when I have felt hopeless and afraid my "magic guy daddy" and my faith in him is what got me through. I accept a persons right to believe or not to believe but when they spew such hate and venom of a deity they dont claim to believe in one has to wonder. Yet most people in this world believe in the existance of a magic sky daddy. Christians followed by Muslims.

reply from: yoda

True, but on balance the human institution of religion has probably been a civilizing and moderating influence on human behavior overall. And for some people, a religion like Christianity can bring about a profound change in their attitude for the better. Not for everyone, perhaps, but for many.
Abortion, however, stands alone, apart from religion as a plague and a curse on mankind. It is the ultimate expression of human greed and malice.

reply from: scopia1982

True, but on balance the human institution of religion has probably been a civilizing and moderating influence on human behavior overall. And for some people, a religion like Christianity can bring about a profound change in their attitude for the better. Not for everyone, perhaps, but for many.
Abortion, however, stands alone, apart from religion as a plague and a curse on mankind. It is the ultimate expression of human greed and malice.
Yoda u took the words right out of my mouth. I would say of all religion Christianity is the profoundly changing religion. Usually always for the good as long as one doesnt become legalistic and judgmental.

reply from: scopia1982

"Hitler, for example, has had more influence over societal views than any other human being since the probably fictional Jesus. Philosophers like Socrates and Plato have had massive influence on humanity."
Actually Jesus did really exist. The Romans have records that he existed and was executed by crucifixion. The Historian Joespheus wrote of him. So he was a real person and he has had more followers then Hitler ever did. He has had a profound effect on humanity for 2000 years.
"Probably because your RELIGION is a bigoted, hateful religion that is always attacking them and their views/lifestyle. "
I am a Catholic and we are not to be confused with Fundamentalist Legalist who claim to be Christian.
It is quite possible to hate your RELIGION without even considering the existence of the magic sky daddy.
Why hate at all? Why not live and let live? If you spew hate against Christians you are just as bad as those Fundamentalist, only coming from the other side.

reply from: BossMomma

how so? rights? like to quietly kill their children? children have rights? like to legally die at the hands of their own mother? slavery is abolished? news to me...the slaves of blood money is what keeps abortionists killing. genocide is outlawed? news to me...last i checked, it is legal to kill your own babies in unlimilted numbers. and uum, abortion is an evil plague if i've ever seen one...(God is the one who gives immunity to it).
Abortion is not child abuse, slavery or, genocide. It is the removal of an unwanted and often previable embryo or fetus. 90% of abortions occur in the embryonic stage. 80% of pregnancies end in natural miscarriage, what's the difference? You don't cry for the ones who die of defects but you cry when a embryo is removed by choice? Interesting.

reply from: sweet

I hear this line of crap so often.
"They are angry at my god, which means they believe in my god."
That's complete bull. They are angry at the ideals your religion has and the damage it has done to the world and humanity.
Get it?
They are angry at your religion.
That is in no way an acknowledgment of the existence of your magic sky daddy.blasphemy is NOT impressive.

reply from: sweet

I almost asked you if you know what the word kill means...'kill babies'...never OK.

reply from: BossMomma

how so? rights? like to quietly kill their children? children have rights? like to legally die at the hands of their own mother? slavery is abolished? news to me...the slaves of blood money is what keeps abortionists killing. genocide is outlawed? news to me...last i checked, it is legal to kill your own babies in unlimilted numbers. and uum, abortion is an evil plague if i've ever seen one...(God is the one who gives immunity to it).
In this case sweet I agree with you 100% BM is a Wiccan and yet by her posts she sounds angry at our GOD. Which I would take as an acknowledgment that our God exist.
I have no beef with a god I don't believe in, it's his fan club I can't stand.

reply from: yoda

And you don't even realize that you are contradicting yourself, do you?

reply from: BossMomma

I almost asked you if you know what the word kill means...'kill babies'...never OK.
I know what killing is, killing is ending a life which abortion does. War ends lives, does that mean I'm wrong for saying we have a right to defend our country? The meat we eat ends lives, am I wrong for barbequeing beef ribs and chicken tonight? The death penalty ends lives, yet is it better to spend millions on criminals to house them for life and risk them escaping and killing again? Why is death such an enemy? It comes to us all, it is a fact of life. Why must it be viewed with such hate when it is everyone's inevitable conclusion? I support quality of life, not simple quantity. If a woman is forced to gestate an unwanted pregnancy it deminishes her quality of life.

reply from: BossMomma

And you don't even realize that you are contradicting yourself, do you?
No, I'm not. An embryo is a genetic human, not a person. You cannot abuse an embryo, otherwise CPS would be banging down the doors of invetro clinics, many embryo's are killed there when the unused one's are simply thrown away.

reply from: sweet

Originally posted by: concernedparent
If "Bible Codes" are really inspired by the Judeo-Christian Deity, then how does one explain these negative codes, which have all been found as official ELS "messages" in the Torah?
again...the codes are awesome patterns in the english kjv - numerical patterns and such. Explanation: obviously for every real, there is a counterfeit...some people choose to delight in the counterfeit.

reply from: yoda

You seem very, very confused. You are trying to compare biological classification and legal/political doctrine, when they are not connected in any way.
There is NO SUCH THING in biology as a "person". That term has vernacular and legal meanings, but NO biological meaning.
EVERY human being is a person in the vernacular. No one with any integrity will deny that.
And "abuse" does not have to be illegal to exist. Killing someone is about the worst abuse there is, whether it is legal or not.

reply from: sweet

the baby is a baby the moment the woman becomes pregnant...if you kill the baby anytime it is murder.

reply from: BossMomma

No, it is murder only after the child is born.

reply from: BossMomma

You seem very, very confused. You are trying to compare biological classification and legal/political doctrine, when they are not connected in any way.
There is NO SUCH THING in biology as a "person". That term has vernacular and legal meanings, but NO biological meaning.
EVERY human being is a person in the vernacular. No one with any integrity will deny that.
And "abuse" does not have to be illegal to exist. Killing someone is about the worst abuse there is, whether it is legal or not.
Ugh, I'm not going to continue wasting my time on an idiot like you. You can join lukesmom, faithman and scopia.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

No, it is murder only after the child is born.
Why? After birth a child is dependent on an adult for survival. The adult must provide food, water, air and a safe environment for the child to live otherwise it will die. Before birth the child has the same needs. Is it because the child acts like a "parasite" to gather food, water and oxygen that a woman has the right to cut the child off?
A child is a child, if the child is killed in any stage in life that constitutes murder in my book.

reply from: BossMomma

No, it is murder only after the child is born.
Why? After birth a child is dependent on an adult for survival. The adult must provide food, water, air and a safe environment for the child to live otherwise it will die. Before birth the child has the same needs. Is it because the child acts like a "parasite" to gather food, water and oxygen that a woman has the right to cut the child off?
A child is a child, if the child is killed in any stage in life that constitutes murder in my book.
Thankfully the law doesn't give a damn about "your book"

reply from: sweet

announcement: the sun is hot. *waits for objection*
objection anyone...anyone - objection? obviously this is fact, yet some will still take pleasure in denying this also. still...the sun is hot, the Bible is truth, and abortion is wrong.

reply from: scopia1982

Who are you to judge me without even knowing me you are an Athiest, but I dont judge you. I feel sorry for you, not because of that, but because you feel compelled to spew hate and venom. Most of us Catholics do live and let live. We dont prosyltize we dont go knocking on doors. If one wants to join us they have to come to us. I take offense that you can say Im among the worst because I am a Catholic and yet you dont know me and will never know me. I have met many fine atheists who are prolife for all of humanity from conception until natural death. They dont go around spewing hate towards those who believe in God. They go about their business and go about mine

reply from: scopia1982

We're still waiting for proof.
And no, the Bible is not 'truth'. There are scores of historical inaccuracies in the Bible.
You say there is no God, where is YOUR proof that their isnt? I have yet to meet an Atheist who can offer concreate proof that there is no God. Theist are in the same boat. It all comes down to faith. Atheists have faith there is no God, while believers have faith that there is.

reply from: sweet

there are those who will delight in denying that there is definite right and wrong, thus justifying their wickedness...if abortion isn't definitely wrong, why bother trying to fight against it? beware--there are also those that delight in attacking those that are standing up for and supporting what is right. we can't allow them to discourage us in our stance...we must stand firm...many of us actually have something to fight for...there is great evil in this world that is labouring night and day to steal, kill and destroy our children, our spouses, our homes, our families...nevertheless we must not fear those who can't destroy our spirit - though they may destroy our body.

reply from: sweet

in the midst of this very forum there is evil that lurks...still we must stay encouraged...there are those that seek to attack with the very intention to gain pleasure...still what's right remains...it doesn't matter who can type the fastest or who can use the most creative words...at the end of the day...ask yourself "what have i accomplished today?"

reply from: scopia1982

There is no concrete proof that the Loch Ness monster doesn't exist.
There is no concrete proof that Aliens don't exist.
Do you believe in those as well?
1. Lochness Monster: I believe its possible there is an undiscovered reptile like species. We wont ever know unless we actually catch one.
2.Aliens : Possible , open to the prospect. Illogical to assume we are the only life in this huge infinite universe.

reply from: sweet

There is no concrete proof that the Loch Ness monster doesn't exist.
There is no concrete proof that Aliens don't exist.
Do you believe in those as well?i happen to believe loch ness monster exists--the Bible describes this creature...also 'aliens' might.(depends on your definition)

reply from: KaylieBee

Believing in aliens is way more logical than believing in religion.

reply from: scopia1982

You think they are 'possible'.
Okay.
Why then are you CERTAIN that God exists when the other two examples you only think are 'possible'?
Because my faith is that strong. IF you have to ask you probably wouldnt understand. My faith and belief in God is what has gotten me through alot of trying times in my life. I believe that the other things are possible because I believe God exist. Look at the Universe and the laws of science, very neat and orderly. To me that suggest that something created it, not some mere chaotic chance. I believe God created everything and if he created this big universe than why isnt it possible that he created life elsewhere? Alot of people over the centuries have made reports of seeing something in LochNess describing the same thing. My theory is that its possibly a Plesiosaurus which was a species of dinosaur that may have somehow survived while the others became extinct.

reply from: sweet

You think they are 'possible'.
Okay.
Why then are you CERTAIN that God exists when the other two examples you only think are 'possible'?
Because my faith is that strong. IF you have to ask you probably wouldnt understand. My faith and belief in God is what has gotten me through alot of trying times in my life. I believe that the other things are possible because I believe God exist. Look at the Universe and the laws of science, very neat and orderly. To me that suggest that something created it, not some mere chance.i agree 100%...God has gotten me through some things that no human could...evidence of His existence is too much to list in one life time...when my mother was murdered - no one but God could've allowed me to pull through in one piece...just waking up with breath in my body and breath in my children and other family--is enough for me to know and be thankful for God and his grace--i can be creative at times, but no amount of creativity can put the breath of life in the bodies of my children that they have today...God is real and truly amazing...there are too many things that i have that the world didn't give me, nor do i take credit for.

reply from: scopia1982

Uh...no?
It's a horrible entropic mess. Do you actually know anything about the Universe?
Well, time to rethink your theory.
Do you believe in the Invisible Pink Unicorn or the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
Vexing you obviously do not know how to debate like a civilized mature adult. Your posts just reek of garbage. I have not mocked you for your non belief. I have been more than civil and patient with you. Yet all you can do is resort to name calling, personal attacks and spew garbage. So I am putting you on ignore. I am here to debate abortion and the occasional deviations that may come up. But I refuse to debate someone who acts like a child.

reply from: sweet

Your imagination got you through these things. You did it yourself.you know vexy, even you are God's creation and you deserve to be loved. *smiles*

reply from: KaylieBee

And she is, by her partner! And her family and friends.
(You are in a relationship, right vexing? I seem to recall you are)

reply from: scopia1982

[
"you know vexy, even you are God's creation and you deserved to be loved. *smiles*"
Obviously has some issues of her own to deal with or would not feel the need to drag others down with her. I have come across several like her. If I believe it or dont believe it others must follow suit. Otherwise they are idiots. Very close minded.

reply from: sweet

even without the crutch--you deserved to be loved.

reply from: sweet

In your imagination, yes.
In reality, no.
Let me know when you decide to visit reality.you don't think so?

reply from: sweet

In your imagination, yes.
In reality, no.
Let me know when you decide to visit reality.you don't think so?
What?
that you are a unique creation who deserves to be loved?

reply from: sweet

i'm going 2 bed now...goodnight all...sweet dreams and have a beautiful day tomorrow.

reply from: BossMomma

I'm only barely unique. Human beings are 99.9% genetically identical.
Uniqueness is not a benchmark for anything. It is irrelevant.
Deserve to be loved?
No one deserves to be loved.
People earn love.
Stop being so selfish.
Kind of an odd view if I may say, when my children were born I loved them more than life it'self, they didn't have to earn it. Or were you refering to romantic love?

reply from: sweet

hopefully we all are loved by someone as well as we all have someone that we love...some may choose to hate everyone instead of love for some reason...i can say i use to delight in hating some people...it was a really dark time in my life...that's why i understand the darkness/pain in one's life who chooses to hate. Jesus truly is the way, the truth and the life...this is where i found light instead of darkness...not everyone will like this testimony--there are many who wonder why i love the man who murdered my mom (though not his actions!)...the answer is with God.

reply from: sweet

my mom was murdered by my stepdad in 1990...no arrest has been made...they basically ignored the case and covered-up evidence...i was angry/bitter/revengeful...this affected the way i loved and cared for everyone--with so much hate--love and care was clouded out--with God i was able to clear the fog...what an awesome God! *smiles* i have actually had people look down on me for not maintaining hate...that amazes me also.

reply from: sweet

i am so glad to see people like these on this forum that stand up for what they know is right...keep up the work for the sake of the unborn who can't speak for themselves. it seems that if we sit back and say nothing--we are almost just as guilty...so stay encouraged! *smiles*

reply from: sweet

keep up the hard work prolife...every little bit counts!

reply from: sweet

may our Heavenly Father continue to guide us and shield us from evil as we continue this journey fighting for what's right.

reply from: sweet

may our Heavenly Father continue to guide us and shield us from evil as we continue this journey fighting for what's right.

reply from: sweet

--may our Heavenly Father continue to guide us and shield us from evil as we continue this journey fighting for what's right.

reply from: sweet

it puzzles me how some 'fight' for the unborn, but blatantly deny their Creator.

reply from: Cecilia

Yes, I don't know why they ignore mothers, either.

reply from: scopia1982

This isnt just about religion, we need the prolife atheist/agnostics on our side. We need all the people we can get on our side. Some are motivated by religion, others by some other moral code, but if we start bickering amongst ourselves we lose focus, we lose the fight and that is exactly what the proaborts want.

reply from: sweet

This isnt just about religion, we need the prolife atheist/agnostics on our side. We need all the people we can get on our side. Some are motivated by religion, others by some other moral code, but if we start bickering amongst ourselves we lose focus, we lose the fight and that is exactly what the proaborts want.i understand you, but what about when i get viciously attacked for being against abortion because of my religion?

reply from: Cecilia

This isnt just about religion, we need the prolife atheist/agnostics on our side. We need all the people we can get on our side. Some are motivated by religion, others by some other moral code, but if we start bickering amongst ourselves we lose focus, we lose the fight and that is exactly what the proaborts want.i understand you, but what about when i get viciously attacked for being against abortion because of my religion?
Because if you only use your religion you lose validity since many, many people do not believe as you do.
You also use your religion to discriminate against others and justify bigotry so people feel inclined to have a word or two about that.
And like Vexing said you almost constantly include religion in your posts. Do you think that is received willingly by people oppressed bythat same religion?

reply from: sweet

i think it matters why we're against abortion, because this is what we carry when encouraging and supporting others to be against it! i'm against it not only because it is wrong--but because the Bible confirms this.

reply from: sweet

Try shutting up about your religion then.i'm not sure you would want that because then i would have to 'shut' you up because you are 'about my religion'--'my' God created you. *smiles*

reply from: sweet

i don't need 'people' to 'validate' me--God and His Truth existed long before i did and will long after i'm gone.

reply from: sweet

So if God told you that abortion was now okay, you would blindly accept that?
Tell me, how many adulterers have you killed lately?only one today!...Vexy's definition--'kill'-verb-meaning to have pity on vexy.

reply from: scopia1982

CP my religion is what gives mes my since of what is right and wrong. I respect your reasons for being prolife, but please do the same of us religious folk. Granted we got some fanatics on here who condemn those who do not believe as they do, but I am not one of those people. All I ask is that they respect that I have my beliefs.

reply from: sweet

And you feel compelled to start shyte by constantly throwing your beliefs in our faces because....? You think this topic is relevant to the abortion issue? Or do you just keep bumping it out of spite? I think your motives are questionable, and you contribute little or nothing positive to this forum.WOOAH! THAT SURE 'LET ME HAVE IT'--nice blow--great shot! God would be...i'm sorry 'hee doesnt existt'---well your logic will be veeeery proud of ya! keep up the Big, smart,strong,violent attacks---'it's only wrong to attack the unborn anyway'-----*shakes head*

reply from: sweet

And you feel compelled to start shyte by constantly throwing your beliefs in our faces because....? You think this topic is relevant to the abortion issue? Or do you just keep bumping it out of spite? I think your motives are questionable, and you contribute little or nothing positive to this forum.WOOAH! THAT SURE 'LET ME HAVE IT'--nice blow--great shot! God would be...i'm sorry 'hee doesnt existt'---well your logic will be veeeery proud of ya! keep up the Big, smart,strong,violent attacks---'it's only wrong to attack the unborn anyway'-----*shakes head*
You sure post a lot for somebody who really has nothing substantial to say...but then, that's the point, isn't it?*yawns*

reply from: scopia1982

CP my religion is what gives mes my since of what is right and wrong. I respect your reasons for being prolife, but please do the same of us religious folk. Granted we got some fanatics on here who condemn those who do not believe as they do, but I am not one of those people. All I ask is that they respect that I have my beliefs.
What did I say that you found offensive?
Nothing offensive, just sad. That people who say their religion is their motivation for being prolife is a sad statment against humanity.

reply from: sweet

i'm happy to know that people are against abortion for what ever reason they have for being against it. i find it odd that some think that any reason is good accept God/Biblical reasons!

reply from: sweet

the main point of this site is that abortion is wrong and it needs to end. if you're against it because they don't use guns instead of suction machines or because of your 'all-knowing logic'-- then so be it...at least you are against it--if i'm against it because God and the Bible teaches it's wrong--then why can't that be?

reply from: sweet

It can, and I have no problem with that. You are the one who said, "it puzzles me how some 'fight' for the unborn, but blatantly deny their Creator." So what was the point behind that statement? Like I said, I think you just want to start shyte....you would call it that. my point was exactly what i stated. you sure seem to be angry. at what - i don't know - apparently you take it out on anyone in you path - fact: some people in this world are 'religious' and will be as long as YOU live--another fact--i have every intention of staying out of your viscious path of a rampage. you already made it crystal clear that you hate me/God/the True Bible...believe me, i wouldn't want to be near you without a bullet proof vest--(at least you're against abortion though).

reply from: sweet

You are a liar, and you overestimate your own importance...
name-calling? woah! awesome! very logical/wise/intelligent! almost reminds me of a firstgrader i know...no...he doesn't even 'name-call'--anyway--good for you--your are at least great at name-calling! that'll teach someone a lesson! *looks unimpressed*

reply from: sweet

who? the God that you mock/bash/deny? you're asking me? the one you insult/mock/bash? take care of yourself Vexy. i hope you're doing fine!

reply from: sweet

who? the God that you mock/bash/deny? you're asking me? the one you insult/mock/bash? take care of yourself Vexy. i hope you're doing fine!

reply from: sweet

*smiles*
God's Truth REMAINS despite YOUR questions or anyone's answers or assumptions. hate it all you want.

reply from: sweet

Do you know Jesus died for even YOUR sins vexy?

reply from: sweet

I'll answer your question when you answer mine.
*smiles sweetly*it's not too late for you to repent for your sins. God wants you to accept His Truth.

reply from: sweet

it's not too late for you to repent for your sins. God wants you to accept His Truth. God wants to heal your wounded heart. God wants to replace your heart of stone with a heart of flesh. Just ask and believe.

reply from: sweet

(that's what God is asking YOU) what's YOUR answer?

reply from: nancyu

Why not answer her question, sweet?


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