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SEX is for married MAN and WOMAN!

sex=pregnancy=baby

by: sweet

if we follow this simple logic, we would have LESS PROBLEMS! (most abortions are performed on single mothers). sex=pregnancy=baby.....don't want baby? don't have SEX.
by the way, the same sex 'couples' can NEVER be considered 'married.'

reply from: Cecilia

Homophobia is not attractive.

reply from: sweet

huuh... *rolls eyes* and exactly WHO are you defending?

reply from: sweet

alot of people like to steal...even non religious people CHOOSE not to steal - because it's wrong.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Sex is not just for a MAN and a WOMAN. I am pro-gay-rights. I also do not believe sex is ONLY for making babies. I do agree that people should be much more careful when they do have sex and that sex should not be a casual consumer commodity. It is to be respected; it is the physical joining of two human beings, and for many people it is also spiritual.
Sex CAN result in pregnancy, which is why women should not be having sex with men without taking proper precautions, AND not unless they are prepared to make the RESPONSIBLE choice and give birth.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

huuh... *rolls eyes* and exactly WHO are you defending?
She is defending homosexuals and all members of the GLBTA community. Obviously.

reply from: sweet

*smurks* that ^ is PROOF you know better! *wipes forehead*

reply from: sweet

*smiles* we finally see eye to eye...YEAH RIGHT...seriously...*straightens face* don't most people WANT for their parents to stay married before, during, and after birth...under good circumstances? also, those that became pregnant after sex...did you have any CONFUSION about what ACT caused a baby to be in your womb?

reply from: Cecilia

huuh... *rolls eyes* and exactly WHO are you defending?
Are you insinuating that the 'who' I am speaking of are less valid as individuals with feelings than you are?
This is cult brain washing at it's finest. It's okay to be homophobic, the Bible says so.
My bad, you are correct.

reply from: BossMomma

Marriage was the worst mistake of my life, I love being a single parent and a very successful woman. My boy friend and I never intend to marry, we are happy that way.

reply from: BossMomma

alot of people like to steal...even non religious people CHOOSE not to steal - because it's wrong.
What does stealing have to do with sex outside of marriage? Am I stealing an orgasm everytime my bf and I get it on?

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

You are 100% correct sweet. Great post!

reply from: ChristianLott2

SEX is for married MAN and WOMAN!
I agree with this. Sex entails a responsibility to another person.
If there were no diseases and the population was sterile, maybe things could be different.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

I certainly agree with the statement in bold. Sex involves more than a responsibility to another person. It also includes responsibility to your future offspring, God and community. I do not agree that things could be different if there were no diseases and the population was sterile. I do like your author icon. I believe it represents the search for true knowledge. I personally read extensively; the greatest source of knowledge being the books of the Bible itself.

reply from: BossMomma

The only STD I ever got was from my husband who got it from his wife before me who got it from a previous husband. How the hell does marriage stave off STD's?

reply from: BossMomma

Very Good points^
Thank you, now I await scripture and verse about how sinful my happy life style is. You know our christian friends never fail to deliver.

reply from: cracrat

What absolute rubbish. Sex can be an expression of love as well as to procreate. One does not need to be married to be in love. Religious folk may like to think that only married people should be able to join in this fashion, but fortunately the days when one could be beaten for not attending Sunday service are long gone.
From a religious point of view you're right, a same sex can not be married, at least not until the various Church's drag themselves out of the 14th century. From a civil point of view, of course they can; marriage is simply a piece of paper demonstrating a certain commitment to one another which covers your ass in the event of one party dying or the relationship breaking down or if there are chlidren involved, etc.

reply from: sweet

don't blame your CARELESS 'sexcapades' on LOVE...love is beautiful..don't try and taint it with ANY of those 'same sex' or premarital sex CHOICES! how about showing your love by encouraging your 'same sex' counterpart to rightfully disengage in homosexuality...how about showing your LOVE by telling your girlfriend/boyfriend to wait until marriage.

reply from: sweet

being single is GOOD in MANY cases...but single+sex=SURE PROBLEMS...sex+'same sex' couple=SURE PROBLEMS! why would you want to KNOWINGLY set yourself up for failure...i'm sorry you had a bad experience in marriage, some things are out of your control...that proves there is enough unexpected bad things that can happen without setting yourself up...sex before marriage is SETTING YOURSELF UP...same sex relations is SETTING YOURSELF UP!

reply from: KaylieBee

What problems occur when lesbians have sex, Sweet?
What is it that makes you so angry and hateful towards homosexuals?

reply from: sweet

i don't want to come across as 'mean' or 'hateful' due to the stating of facts that you deny.
i think it is more of you wanting to label me that way because that is what YOU are. by the way, two women can't TRULY have intercourse! they may simulate it or pretend or 'call' it that or wish...but CAN'T HAPPEN.

reply from: KaylieBee

Then what is your definition of intercourse? I'm not about to deny that it differs for each person. To some people a girl or boy is not a virgin if they have performed or received oral sex, for some it's penetration/penetrating an anus or vagina, and for others it is only heterosexual full-fledged intercourse. I even remember reading in Seventeen that most girls don't consider it sex if the guy doesn't ejaculate.
But I honestly consider any sexual act in which you completely give your body to another person to be sex. Though, some would say it's any act which can give you an STD. Or any genital contact...

reply from: KaylieBee

Wasn't there a couple that was denied marriage by the catholic church because the guy couldn't have sex?

reply from: BossMomma

being single is GOOD in MANY cases...but single+sex=SURE PROBLEMS...sex+'same sex' couple=SURE PROBLEMS! why would you want to KNOWINGLY set yourself up for failure...i'm sorry you had a bad experience in marriage, some things are out of your control...that proves there is enough unexpected bad things that can happen without setting yourself up...sex before marriage is SETTING YOURSELF UP...same sex relations is SETTING YOURSELF UP!
My boyfriend and I have been together for 2 blissful years and are happily awaiting our second child, what the problem is?

reply from: BossMomma

Same sex couples don't reproduce..no baybees!

reply from: sweet

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
So the fact that many paraplegics can't have intercourse that YOU approve of, their marriages aren't real?
Gee, maybe we should take Viagra, Levitra and Cialis off the market and order manatory divorces for those who can't boink according to your standards.
'boink' LOL

reply from: KaylieBee

mmm, sweet, you're turning pro at avoiding questions.

reply from: cracrat

don't blame your CARELESS 'sexcapades' on LOVE...love is beautiful..don't try and taint it with ANY of those 'same sex' or premarital sex CHOICES! how about showing your love by encouraging your 'same sex' counterpart to rightfully disengage in homosexuality...how about showing your LOVE by telling your girlfriend/boyfriend to wait until marriage.
ROFLMAO!!!
I don't blame my relationship on anyone, that would imply I'm unhappy with it. You have no idea what my girlfriend and I share and are in no position to instruct us on how to continue. I don't know if I want to get married, though I do know that my girlfriend is still a long way from being ready for such a step. I express my love for her in many ways everyday, including sex. Our feelings are no less than those you have for your partner. Why should I base my relationship with her on the rules of a religion I don't accept to be valid? And who the hell are you are to judge us?

reply from: sweet

being single is GOOD in MANY cases...but single+sex=SURE PROBLEMS...sex+'same sex' couple=SURE PROBLEMS! why would you want to KNOWINGLY set yourself up for failure...i'm sorry you had a bad experience in marriage, some things are out of your control...that proves there is enough unexpected bad things that can happen without setting yourself up...sex before marriage is SETTING YOURSELF UP...same sex relations is SETTING YOURSELF UP!
you have a BABY on the way? CONGRATS!! this is an exciting NEW chapter for you... a chance to be better...think better.....share your knowledge...love more...it's WONDERFUL! do you know the sex and have names yet??? plan on nursing?.....it'll be GREAT! whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.(Phillipians 4:8)
My boyfriend and I have been together for 2 blissful years and are happily awaiting our second child, what the problem is?

reply from: BossMomma

being single is GOOD in MANY cases...but single+sex=SURE PROBLEMS...sex+'same sex' couple=SURE PROBLEMS! why would you want to KNOWINGLY set yourself up for failure...i'm sorry you had a bad experience in marriage, some things are out of your control...that proves there is enough unexpected bad things that can happen without setting yourself up...sex before marriage is SETTING YOURSELF UP...same sex relations is SETTING YOURSELF UP!
you have a BABY on the way? CONGRATS!! this is an exciting NEW chapter for you... a chance to be better...think better.....share your knowledge...love more...it's WONDERFUL! do you know the sex and have names yet??? plan on nursing?.....it'll be GREAT! whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.(Phillipians 4:8)
My boyfriend and I have been together for 2 blissful years and are happily awaiting our second child, what the problem is?
Yep, coming up on 5 months now, I'll be going in to get my ultrasound in a few weeks to see if we're having a son or a daughter. We even plan to have one of those 4-d ultrasounds done to see the baby's facial features and stuff just for fun.

reply from: KaylieBee

Why is it called 4D? What IS 4D?

reply from: sweet

5 months? that is a BEAUTIFUL stage because you can feel the baby kicking/moving!! you can sort of tell the personality by how and when they move!
"Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward."(Psalm 127:3)

reply from: BossMomma

4-D actually shows a high def color picture of the fetus clear enough to see facial expression, bodily features and so on where as the old 3-d ultrasounds only show fuzzy skeletal images.

reply from: BossMomma

5 months? that is a BEAUTIFUL stage because you can feel the baby kicking/moving!! you can sort of tell the personality by how and when they move!
"Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward."(Psalm 127:3)
No kicks right now, I feel little butterfly flutters but my belly is bumping out pretty good and my belly button is going from an inny to an outy.

reply from: Cecilia

i don't want to come across as 'mean' or 'hateful' due to the stating of facts that you deny.
i think it is more of you wanting to label me that way because that is what YOU are. by the way, two women can't TRULY have intercourse! they may simulate it or pretend or 'call' it that or wish...but CAN'T HAPPEN.
Your homophobic comments label yourself without any help from others.
Your "facts" are your opinions.

reply from: yoda

No, actually as Einstein said, time is the fourth dimension. So a 4D US shows the baby in motion, it's a video rather than a still photo.

reply from: BossMomma

Yeah, it just looks a bit like a hub cap for a while until your belly regains something of it's pre-pregnancy shape.

reply from: BossMomma

No, actually as Einstein said, time is the fourth dimension. So a 4D US shows the baby in motion, it's a video rather than a still photo.
The ones I got for my daughter were still frames on a cd.

reply from: yoda

http://www.gehealthcare.com/usen/ultrasound/4d/virtual_4d_mini.html

reply from: KaylieBee

No, actually as Einstein said, time is the fourth dimension. So a 4D US shows the baby in motion, it's a video rather than a still photo.
Can you actually see anything in them? When my friend showed me pics from her ultrasound, i couldn't tell what was going on until she explained it. :/
EDIT: Cool, you can. But the little .gif/video doesn't really line up with where you place the ultrasound thingy.
Do they ever use the 4d things to explore things like hearts? I had an ultrasound done on my heart when I was little, since I was born with a hole in it. It's an odd experience...

reply from: Jameberlin

No, actually as Einstein said, time is the fourth dimension. So a 4D US shows the baby in motion, it's a video rather than a still photo.
Can you actually see anything in them? When my friend showed me pics from her ultrasound, i couldn't tell what was going on until she explained it. :/
The 4d ones are really clear... and kinda creepy IMO, but then regular sonograms just give you a picture of a skeleton with some extra fleshy bits..

reply from: BossMomma

No, actually as Einstein said, time is the fourth dimension. So a 4D US shows the baby in motion, it's a video rather than a still photo.
Can you actually see anything in them? When my friend showed me pics from her ultrasound, i couldn't tell what was going on until she explained it. :/
EDIT: Cool, you can. But the little .gif/video doesn't really line up with where you place the ultrasound thingy.
Do they ever use the 4d things to explore things like hearts? I had an ultrasound done on my heart when I was little, since I was born with a hole in it. It's an odd experience...
Normally 4-d's are used for recreational ultrasounds only. Insurence companies don't cover them and they are not routinely done.

reply from: KaylieBee

The women on 'Say yes to the dress' on TLC sure don't seem to have a problem spending a crapload of money on their weddings. 5K+ for the dress alone.

reply from: sweet

do you like it?
what is 'trolling' anyway?

reply from: sweet

(Leviticus 20:13) If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

reply from: sweet

aaw...how cute...you are gonna LOVE the busy movement of the baby...just wait until you can look at your tummy and SEE all of the movement!!
*rubs chill bumps* any cravings? mine was jalapeno peppers! i had to have them!

reply from: sweet

Originally posted by: Vexing
Deliberately trying to provoke people for no purpose other than your own entertainment.
my views tend to be naturally provocative (similar to your screen name)....it is entertaining most of the time i must admit...but i like to make a point...speak the truth...be heard/understood/respected...is that OK with you?

reply from: churchmouse

Well for people of the world, they can live how they want to. But if you are a Christian then you must follow what scriptures say about sin. And the bible is clear that its a sin for people not married to have sex, whether it is heterosexual sex, homosexual sex.
Look at society and the result of sexual permissiveness. Broken homes -divorce, sexually transmitted disease, abortion........
Why should sex not be a casual commodity? And why shouldnt sex be casual and be respected? Who said it should be both of these? Sweet is right......your statment is proof that you thinks sex is just more than the act.
Well those relationships that are casual that are only done for physical pleasure usually dont involve the heart and mind....they are the ones about the crotch.
Well whose happiness are you most concerned about? Yours or does your childs happiness make any difference to you? If you are not a Christian then by all means live the way you want. Sleep around, live with whomever you want....... But if you profess to be a Christian then you are living in sin.
If your a Christian then they both are sin.......if your not, they probably are both acceptable to you.
Funny how crude people that mess around put sex terms......."get it on."
Somebody had to be messing around. If you have no STD and you marry another person with no STD and you remain faithful......then you dont get an STD.
As i said......if you live by the rules of the world, then the sky is the limit and anything goes.
If you live by faith in God, then He sets the rules. Whose rules do you think protect a relationship, especially relationhips with kids? Kids dont need a mom and dad? You think a child does not need both, that one is not enough?
Its really healthy for kids to see their mom or dad sleeping around with multiple partners isnt it? Sexual paganism, playboy morality at its best....yea thats what is best for kids, right?
I'd think of marriage and family and commitment being blessed by a Creator that sets boundaried for a reason. I believe sex is a good and beautiful gift of God something that should be taken seriously. I do not believe sex should be a recreational sport.
You are right, the playboy lifestyle has nothing to do with marriage. Because marriage is about commitment and a covenant that two people make with eachother. So if a one night stand with a complete stranger is all you want.....you can try anything on for size. Anything then justifies the encounter for whatever physical pleasure that can be gotten from it.
IMO the sex relationship you talk about is self-centered. Its impersonal, non-relational and nonexclusive........Sex is a commodity....nothing requires one person to sense any obligation towards each other. Its individual pursuit of pleasure that is most important....at the expense of everything else.

reply from: Cecilia

Are you Jewish?
Do you wear linen and woolen together?
Do you cut your hair?
Should those who commit adultery be put to death?
Should those who curse their parents be put to death?
Do you eat shellfish?
Since you're big on OT, how about Deuteronomy 17:2-7? My favorite OT scripture:
17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

reply from: BossMomma

aaw...how cute...you are gonna LOVE the busy movement of the baby...just wait until you can look at your tummy and SEE all of the movement!!
*rubs chill bumps* any cravings? mine was jalapeno peppers! i had to have them!
So far I've craved vegetable soup, milk, green apples and, cream soda (decaff of course). And I don't look forward to the movement because I have an inflamed gall bladder, I'm in enough pain already with the pressure of my growing belly. I'm hoping this one doesn't kick much.

reply from: yoda

They may, I don't know. I recently had an "echocardiogram", and it was done on an ultrasound machine.

reply from: BossMomma

Yeah, it just looks a bit like a hub cap for a while until your belly regains something of it's pre-pregnancy shape.
I see. I was just wondering, cos I'm thinking of having kids in the near future, and am a little worried about my post-baby figure (I am a dancer).
You may look into yoga or other pregnancy safe excersise programs that help with flexibility. Regular stretching to keep muscle tone helps and, use cocoa butter to stave off stretch marks. Though I must warn you, back problems can arise from pregnancy, one of the most painful is a sciatica or pulled sciatic nerve. I suffer sciatic nerve damage and the pain is long lasting and dibilitating, it starts in your lower back and travels down your right leg. It feels like someone is driving a screwdriver from your back to your knee.

reply from: Cecilia

Are you Jewish?
Do you wear linen and woolen together?
Do you cut your hair?
Should those who commit adultery be put to death?
Should those who curse their parents be put to death?
Do you eat shellfish?
Since you're big on OT, how about Deuteronomy 17:2-7? My favorite OT scripture:
17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
Sweet got quiet. Nothing to say?

reply from: yoda

This may come as a surprise to you, but some folks to have a life outside this forum, and don't stay logged on 24/7......... or focusing on the thread you want them to constantly......

reply from: sweet

sorry...i stepped out without logging out...BACK NOW...

reply from: KaylieBee

I think she wants you to respond to her quotes, Sweet.

reply from: Cecilia

It's a surprise coming from you. You flatter me with your attention.

reply from: KaylieBee

...Holy hell I just noticed yoda's post count. D: That's nearly 4000 a year.

reply from: yoda

Yeah, but I type REAL fast!!

reply from: sweet

so you DO know scripture, that's GOOD to know.....
1. that's where you're better off looking for the answer to any question....not to me.
2. about 'throwing stones' if my life or my children's were in danger....DON'T PUT IT PAST ME!

reply from: Cecilia

Dodge is a car brand, not a debate tactic.
One verse in Lev. is all you need to justify homophobia, & you cannot explain why you don't follow other OT verses.
Christian rhetoric. Absolutely worthless.

reply from: sweet

Dodge is a car brand, not a debate tactic.
One verse in Lev. is all you need to justify homophobia, & you cannot explain why you don't follow other OT verses.
Christian rhetoric. Absolutely worthless.
if i tell you that i follow EVERY SINGLE 'VERSE' would homosexuality then be WRONG in your eyes?

reply from: Cecilia

Dodge is a car brand, not a debate tactic.
One verse in Lev. is all you need to justify homophobia, & you cannot explain why you don't follow other OT verses.
Christian rhetoric. Absolutely worthless.
if i tell you that i follow EVERY SINGLE 'VERSE' would homosexuality then be WRONG in your eyes?
Why would I view homosexuality as wrong if you follow all the OT scriptures?
But to answer your question, No, but at least I could respect you for consistancy.

reply from: sweet

*rolls eyes*shakes head*smiles*

reply from: sweet

trust me...when the time comes for you to REALLY want a baby.....you won't think twice about getting stretch marks/gaining weight....the beauty of a baby far outweighs that! i use to worry that i might gain alot of weight (did)...get stretch marks (did)...die from the labor pain (thought i did)...but when i look at my babies, then look at my weight and stretch marks......i smile and think how i would have DOUBLE the weight and stretch marks just to have my babies!!!!! there is absolutely no comparison....i use to live for my 'washboard stomach'......now i chuckle at my 'baby pouch'.....my tummy doesn't look like it did before my babies.......i'm amazed that i would live to see a day when my abs were no longer flawless and i don't really care.....my kids grab my 'rolls' and we laugh about it together.....my son asked if there was a baby in my tummy (when it was just fat that made it look so)......and i happily told him "not anymore." believe it or not, it actually feels GOOD sometimes (not always)to have some physical evidence of being a mother!

reply from: Jameberlin

If you're healthy and fit, there shouldn't be anything keeping you from dancing after having a child. If your body was incapable of carrying a baby and recuperating enough afterwards for you to continue dancing, you probably wouldn't be dancing for that much longer anyway.
I gained weight (which i lost) and got stretch marks (bah!)... but my body is the exact same size, has the same level of mobility (i'm very flexible) and i'm just as healthy as i was before my son. I never had problems with my sciatic nerve or anything worse than the normal pregnancy uncomfortableness. If you're a serious dancer, your muscles are likely toned, and you're in a better position to bounce back after pregnancy than your non-active counterparts.
Low impact pregnancy exercise can help keep you fit throughout.
Female bodies are made to accommodate children, and i think people are so freaked out that they'll change too much they refrain from having them! It's a perfectly natural process, not an illness, and if you take care of yourself, there is no reason you can't enjoy the same activities afterward.... I will acknowledge that your body is forever changed, but for me and other moms i know, it's a change in skin elasticity, cervix shape etc. Like i said before, i'm the same mass and shape as i was before pregnancy, with a few more stretch marks... but unless you're a nude dancer, that probably wouldn't be a problem for you.

reply from: sweet

choosing dance over baby.......hmmm *puts hand on chin*

reply from: Cecilia

*rolls eyes*shakes head*smiles*
You have not addressed the OT quotes, and you support homophobia. You value women for their ability to reproduce only, and suspect that women who have other interests are not being honest with themselves.
This is an antiabortion activist at their finest. No respect for other's opinions, adherence to archaic biblical laws (but only those that are easy to follow!), and a distrust of women who have alternative goals than motherhood.
I could never align myself with someone who believes as such.

reply from: yoda

Say, can you just imagine what it would look like for Barak and Joe to lock lips right there onstage, in front of millions, and declare their everlasting love for each other?
I know I'd hurl all my meals for the past two weeks.
Sarah Barracuda for PRESIDENT!!!

reply from: cracrat

I should imagine McCain would have an even harder time getting the media to pay attention to him...

reply from: BossMomma

Say, can you just imagine what it would look like for Barak and Joe to lock lips right there onstage, in front of millions, and declare their everlasting love for each other?
I know I'd hurl all my meals for the past two weeks.
Sarah Barracuda for PRESIDENT!!!
I think I'd hurl if Hilary and Obama locked lips on stage.

reply from: BossMomma

Yeah, it just looks a bit like a hub cap for a while until your belly regains something of it's pre-pregnancy shape.
I see. I was just wondering, cos I'm thinking of having kids in the near future, and am a little worried about my post-baby figure (I am a dancer).
You may look into yoga or other pregnancy safe excersise programs that help with flexibility. Regular stretching to keep muscle tone helps and, use cocoa butter to stave off stretch marks. Though I must warn you, back problems can arise from pregnancy, one of the most painful is a sciatica or pulled sciatic nerve. I suffer sciatic nerve damage and the pain is long lasting and dibilitating, it starts in your lower back and travels down your right leg. It feels like someone is driving a screwdriver from your back to your knee.
Yikes!
Well, I don't know for sure if I will have kids (does anyone?!), there are so many things to consider!
There are pros and cons to pregnancy, birth and, parenting. I have no regrets in having my kids, my son just entered 1st grade and my daughter is busily learning to stand and I see a world of happyness in her big blue eyes. In having children you have to know that their needs come first, you have to know that you will have to sacrifice but, in the end should you choose to give birth they'er worth it.

reply from: sweet

*rolls eyes*shakes head*smiles*
You have not addressed the OT quotes, and you support homophobia. You value women for their ability to reproduce only, and suspect that women who have other interests are not being honest with themselves.
This is an antiabortion activist at their finest. No respect for other's opinions, adherence to archaic biblical laws (but only those that are easy to follow!), and a distrust of women who have alternative goals than motherhood.
I could never align myself with someone who believes as such.
as for the OT quotes
"Are you Jewish? yes (Gal 2:15) "We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles"
Do you wear linen and woolen together? no
Do you cut your hair? no
Should those who commit adultery be put to death? you decide... (Lev 20:10) "And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death."
Should those who curse their parents be put to death? you decide...(Mat 15:4) "For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death."
Do you eat shellfish?" no
there is 'crime'...JUDGES and witnesses decide the criminals' fate!
By the way, you shouldn't align yourself with me....align yourself with GOD and his truth........BESIDES you couldn't align yourself with ME even if you wanted to! because then you would have to
1. have a SINGLE mother who gave birth to 11 children by age 32.
2. have a mother who was murdered at age 35.
3. have 2 brothers currently in prison.
4. have 1 sister in a mental hospital.
5. STILL PRAISE AND THANK GOD ANYWAY!!!!
as for homosexuality......it's wrong.
and abortion....it's wrong.

reply from: Cecilia

*rolls eyes*shakes head*smiles*
You have not addressed the OT quotes, and you support homophobia. You value women for their ability to reproduce only, and suspect that women who have other interests are not being honest with themselves.
This is an antiabortion activist at their finest. No respect for other's opinions, adherence to archaic biblical laws (but only those that are easy to follow!), and a distrust of women who have alternative goals than motherhood.
I could never align myself with someone who believes as such.
as for the OT quotes
"Are you Jewish? yes (Gal 2:15) "We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles"
Do you wear linen and woolen together? no
Do you cut your hair? no
Should those who commit adultery be put to death? you decide... (Lev 20:10) "And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death."
Should those who curse their parents be put to death? you decide...(Mat 15:4) "For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death."
Do you eat shellfish?" no
there is 'crime'...JUDGES and witnesses decide the criminals' fate!
By the way, you shouldn't align yourself with me....align yourself with GOD and his truth........BESIDES you couldn't align yourself with ME even if you wanted to! because then you would have to
1. have a SINGLE mother who gave birth to 11 children by age 32.
2. have a mother who was murdered at age 35.
3. have 2 brothers currently in prison.
4. have 1 sister in a mental hospital.
5. STILL PRAISE AND THANK GOD ANYWAY!!!!
as for homosexuality......it's wrong.
and abortion....it's wrong.
Well, since you've suffered so much, I guess it's okay for you to be homophobic.
What do you mean, "you decide"? I don't need to, and you don't either. Those are the OT laws you are supposed to abide by. If you're such a fan of Leviticus I'm sure you party to Deuteronomy.
You left out Deuteronomy 17:2-7, where god commands death of those who do not follow him.
Christians who preach tolerance don't really want tolerance-they want tolerance of theocractic laws. If you deny them that, they blast you for intolerance.

reply from: sweet

If we acknowledged that spirituality is personal, and kept our beliefs to ourselves, we would "have less problems." A lot less IMO... I guess there are more important concerns than "having less problems," huh? You can have all the sex you want, with whomever you choose, and I don't see that as a "problem." I understand that you do, but I disagree. If it's a problem, it's not mine...I think it makes little difference whether folks are married or not when they have sex. Sex, in and of itself, is not harmful to anyone, and in fact is quite necessary for the continued existence of our species. I can agree that promiscuity carries the risk of quite a few potential "problems," but I assert that marital status is irrelevant to these concerns. A monogamous sexual relationship does not cause any more "problems" than a traditional civil union wherein both partners are monogamous. The root of the "problems" you seem to be associating with premarital of extramarital affairs are actually caused by promiscuity, not marital status, and I an convinced that such faulty and illogical associations are a result of a desire to blame all the world's ills on "non-Christian" beliefs and values. The clear implication is that, if everyone would just convert to Christianity, all the world's problems would be solved. History, however, shows this assumption to be erroneous. It is quite illogical to imply that premarital sex itself causes any more problems than marital sex, and unrealistic to expect everyone to live according to "Christian values" when even most Christians seem unwilling/unable to do so. If everyone would simply abstain from sex, there would obviously never be another sexually transmitted disease passed on, nor would there be any unwanted pregnancies. Of course, if we simply destroyed this planet along with all life that exists on it, that would also end STDs and unwanted pregnancies....There's nothing wrong with dreaming, and it is noble to seek solutions to our problems, but we must be reasonable and realistic (as well as honest) in doing so. Nothing is gained by implying that everything we personally disapprove of is harmful and irrationally blaming "problems" on what we disapprove of simply in order to attempt to convince others that we have legitimate reasons for disapproving rather than simply disapproving based on our spiritual or religious beliefs. Accept the fact that, while you may believe that sex outside of marriage is "immoral," it is not the true cause of the "problems" many Christians associate with it. Promiscuity is the culprit here, and marital status has nothing to do with it...
huuh? *looks confused*
from what source do you quote your logic?
(1Corinthians 7:2) "...to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."
the Bible (KingJamesVersion) is where i quote from because i believe it's true.....so if you disagree with me.....you might want to consider examining the Bible for yourself.

reply from: sweet

am i wrong to assume you teach your kids this "train wreck" of morals?
(Pro 22:6) Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
for your daughter......she can "have all the sex she wants, with whomever she chooses and it makes little difference whether or not she's married when she has sex????(might as well tell her it's OK to be a 'whore').......some 'FATHER'
*shakes head*
*sighs*

reply from: yoda

Well CP if this is now a contest, I declare you the winner!!

reply from: yoda

I think you may be overlooking the emotional change that comes over a person when they do become a parent. It's something that a non parent just cannot understand.

reply from: sweet

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Let's do:
In defense of Biblical marriage
The Presidential Prayer Team is currently urging us to: "Pray for
the President as he seeks wisdom on how to legally codify the
definition of marriage...." So here, in support of the Prayer Team's
admirable goals, is a proposed Constitutional Amendment
codifying marriage entirely on biblical principles:
A. Marriage in the United States shall consist of a union betweenone man and one or more women. (Gen 29:17-28; II Sam 3:2-5)
B. Marriage shall not impede a man's right to take concubines in
addition to his wife or wives. (II Sam 5:13; I Kings 11:3; II Chron
11:21)
C. A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a
virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed. (Deut
22:13-21)
D. Marriage of a believer and a non-believer shall be
forbidden. (Gen 24:3; Num 25:1-9; Ezra 9:12; Neh 10:30)
E. Since marriage is for life, neither this Constitution nor the
constitution of any State, nor any state or federal law, shall be
construed to permit divorce. (Deut 22:19; Mark 10:9)
F. If a married man dies without children, his brother shall marry
the widow. If he refuses to marry his brother's widow or
deliberately does not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one
shoe and be otherwise punished in a manner to be determined by law.
(Gen. 38:6-10; Deut 25:5-10)
G. In lieu of marriage, if there are no acceptable men in your
town, it is required that you get your dad drunk and have sex with
him (even if he had previously offered you up as a sex toy to men
young and old), tag-teaming with any sisters you may have. Of
course, this rule applies only if you are female. (Gen 19:31-36)
hahahaha....*smirks*
CUTE.
what you have done here^^^ is equal to two hungry people each having a plate of Good healthy food in front of them....with one eating all and quenching his hunger...and the other picking through it, eating some, throwing some away, and spitting some out.....therefore still saying "i'm hungry, feed me.". i REFUSE to 'force-feed' anyone.....you have the plate right before you.....DO WANT YOU WANT WITH IT.

reply from: sweet

i contend that the WHOLE Bible is VALID.
also, what you have said is equal to two hungry people each having a plate of Good healthy food in front of them....with one eating all and quenching his hunger...and the other picking through it, eating some, throwing some away, and spitting some out.....therefore still saying "i'm hungry, feed me.". i REFUSE to 'force-feed' anyone.....you have the plate right before you.....DO WANT YOU WANT WITH IT.

reply from: sweet

am i wrong to assume you teach your kids this "train wreck" of morals?
(Pro 22:6) Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
for your daughter......she can "have all the sex she wants, with whomever she chooses and it makes little difference whether or not she's married when she has sex????(might as well tell her it's OK to be a 'whore').......some 'FATHER'
*shakes head*
*sighs*
Sweet, how dare you presume to judge my character in such a way? How dare you presume to put words in my mouth and make dishonest implications in such a personal attack, bringing my children into this discussion in such a spiteful way?
It is a fact that it makes no difference whether a monogamous couple is legally married in so far as the "problems" that might arise due to promiscuity are concerned, whether I "teach" that fact to my children or not. My kids are teens, very intelligent, and they understand this. I have absolutely no qualms about being honest with my children, but this in no way implies that I am in any way encouraging or condoning promiscuity, much less "might as well tell her it's OK to be a whore."
"Some father" indeed! You are the one who should be ashamed of yourself here. What a "good Christian" you must be...
i'm sorry....your logic about sex applies to everyone except your daughter.....now am i correct/a 'good' christian?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

If only you actually lived in your little fantasy world where people abide by your suppressing religion.

reply from: KaylieBee

Sweet, get out, NOW.
You're either a total b1tch, or a troll. I'm hoping it's the latter.

reply from: sweet

You're an idiot. I have not condoned or encouraged promiscuity for anyone.
i do apologize.......i DID mean to make my point.......i DIDN'T mean to offend you.

reply from: sweet

Sweet, get out, NOW.
You're either a total b1tch, or a troll. I'm hoping it's the latter.
i apologize to you too........i didn't mean to offend you or anyone else....i could have worded things differently.

reply from: sweet

You're an idiot. I have not condoned or encouraged promiscuity for anyone.
i do apologize.......i DID mean to make my point.......i DIDN'T mean to offend you.
I refuse to accept this hollow gesture as sincere. You "apologize," then immediately invalidate it by first attempting to excuse your inexcusable attack, then actually implying that it was not intentional. This was no "apology" at all, just an attempt to excuse your dishonest and spiteful attack.
You had no "point" other than to attempt to bolster your own credibility by intentionally and dishonestly portraying me as an irresponsible and morally bankrupt parent. I don't believe you are "sorry" in the least, and the obvious contempt you show for those you apparently consider to be morally inferior to you based on difference of opinion (or in my case, acceptance of reality and sharing of factual observations, which you, for some reason, seem to be convinced equates to a moral determination, which is very much like assuming that stating the fact that abortion is legal constitutes condoning it...) speaks volumes.
Your self righteousness is clearly displayed in your regularly adding "smirk" and the like in your responses. I do not approve of that, but having been guilty of similar offenses myself, I can not condemn you for it. I do believe you crossed the line with your comments to me on this thread, however, not so much because of the offensive nature of the comments as because there was absolutely no factual basis for the assumptions that inspired the comments. In short, I view it as a much more grievous offense to fabricate slander than to simply call a person a b**** or jerk who is actually behaving as if they are what these words imply...
i'm sorry for offending you CP. but i'm NOT sorry for the fact that
I Believe the Bible is truth....it should be read and taught!!!
i take it you don't agree with this.....everyone obviously doesn't....but i STILL do.

reply from: sweet

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Or a few other doozies...
Abortion:
Hosea 9:11-16 Hosea prays for God's intervention. .
i'm not sure what that word^^^ means, but the Bible is God's WORD and it is the Best source to LIVE BY, read and teach! it teaches that 'sleeping around' is wrong along with many other wrong and right. any sex before marrige is wrong...it is for married man and woman (not man and man)
(Lev 20:13) "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination"

reply from: BossMomma

I think you may be overlooking the emotional change that comes over a person when they do become a parent. It's something that a non parent just cannot understand.
So, where was the emotional change in the father who stomped his infant to death to cease his crying? Where was the emotional change in Susan Smith who strapped her kids into the car, locked the doors and, drowned them in a lake. Many parents kill their born children because they are unwilling to sacrifice their own time for those kids.

reply from: sweet

I think you may be overlooking the emotional change that comes over a person when they do become a parent. It's something that a non parent just cannot understand.
So, where was the emotional change in the father who stomped his infant to death to cease his crying? Where was the emotional change in Susan Smith who strapped her kids into the car, locked the doors and, drowned them in a lake. Many parents kill their born children because they are unwilling to sacrifice their own time for those kids.
is there not an emotional change? was susan smith wrong?

reply from: BossMomma

I think you may be overlooking the emotional change that comes over a person when they do become a parent. It's something that a non parent just cannot understand.
So, where was the emotional change in the father who stomped his infant to death to cease his crying? Where was the emotional change in Susan Smith who strapped her kids into the car, locked the doors and, drowned them in a lake. Many parents kill their born children because they are unwilling to sacrifice their own time for those kids.
is there not an emotional change? was susan smith wrong?
Yes she was wrong, she murdered two born children who actually had the right to life. Where was the maternal instinct that should have told her to protect her children and to forsake her boyfriend for them? Yoda spoke of an emotional change that a non-parent wouldn't understand, what emotional change would that be?

reply from: sweet

*claps*
*smiles*
you are correct to call it what it is....i'm not sure what her state of mind was, but it was wrong what she did.....also, there is an emotional change that has been scientifically confirmed in parents, that is not present in non-parents.

reply from: BossMomma

*claps*
*smilles*
you are correct to call it what it is....i'm not sure what her state of mind was, but it was wrong what she did.....also, there is an emotional change that has been scientifically confirmed in parents, that is not present in non-parents.
Really? Before I had children when I was 17 I used to keep my niece so that my sister could work as a single parent. I treated her as my daughter, loved her, protected her and, even felt that swell of joy and awe in my heart that I felt when my son was born. Maternal instinct is stronger in some than others and, in some it is absent completely. Hence why babies are still found abandoned in dumpsters, ditches and, highways.

reply from: sweet

*claps*
*smiles*
you are correct to call it what it is....i'm not sure what her state of mind was, but it was wrong what she did.....also, there is an emotional change that has been scientifically confirmed in parents, that is not present in non-parents.Really? Before I had children when I was 17 I used to keep my niece so that my sister could work as a single parent. I treated her as my daughter, loved her, protected her and, even felt that swell of joy and awe in my heart that I felt when my son was born. Maternal instinct is stronger in some than others and, in some it is absent completely. Hence why babies are still found abandoned in dumpsters, ditches and, highways.
i 100% believe you. i was the same way before i had children....taking care of everyone else's and wondering why i was doing a better job at it. it wasn't until i actually had children that i realized that i had been completely clueless about motherhood. 'maternal instinct' is COMPLETELY different from the 'outside looking in.'

reply from: BossMomma

*claps*
*smiles*
you are correct to call it what it is....i'm not sure what her state of mind was, but it was wrong what she did.....also, there is an emotional change that has been scientifically confirmed in parents, that is not present in non-parents.Really? Before I had children when I was 17 I used to keep my niece so that my sister could work as a single parent. I treated her as my daughter, loved her, protected her and, even felt that swell of joy and awe in my heart that I felt when my son was born. Maternal instinct is stronger in some than others and, in some it is absent completely. Hence why babies are still found abandoned in dumpsters, ditches and, highways.
i 100% believe you. i was the same way before i had children....taking care of everyone else's and wondering why i was doing a better job at it. it wasn't until i actually had children that i realized that i had been completely clueless about motherhood. 'maternal instinct' is COMPLETELY different from the 'outside looking in.'
So adoptive parents can't be near as loving as birth parents? A uterus is not needed for maternal instinct to kick in you know.

reply from: sweet

yes, they can be VERY near.
i don't think a man can have 'maternal' instinct.

reply from: BossMomma

yes, they can be VERY near.
i don't think a man can have 'maternal' instinct.
You don't believe that fathers love their children as much as mothers? I can assure you that my boyfriend would die to protect his daughter, as would I for any of my children. I urge you to open your mind just a bit more on this subject.

reply from: BossMomma

Of course they can't. 'Maternal' is specific to females.
Men can, however, have an equally strong Paternal instinct.
Sometimes the man is even the better parent.

reply from: sweet

Of course they can't. 'Maternal' is specific to females.
Men can, however, have an equally strong Paternal instinct.
Sometimes the man is even the better parent.i know what you mean....although fathers have their roles and mothers have their roles.

reply from: KaylieBee

I would like to know what their 'roles' are, sweet? Beyond the man providing sperm, and the woman incubating the fertilized egg for eight months, what is set in stone?
If I got married, and had a kid, and my husband decided to stay home with the kids, while I continued working, would we be bad parents for stepping outside of our 'roles'?

reply from: Jameberlin

It's nine full months, you know..

reply from: BossMomma

Of course they can't. 'Maternal' is specific to females.
Men can, however, have an equally strong Paternal instinct.
Sometimes the man is even the better parent.i know what you mean....although fathers have their roles and mothers have their roles.
It takes more than the experience of packing a fetus in utero to make a good parent. Some adoptive mothers are better than the birth mother, some foster parents are better than the birth parents and, some men are better at parenting than women, this has been shown.

reply from: yoda

Of course they can't. 'Maternal' is specific to females.
Men can, however, have an equally strong Paternal instinct.
Sometimes the man is even the better parent.
And therein lies an irony..... the instinct to protect is probably the strongest part of the paternal instinct, and yet many proaborts scream that men have no right to an opinion about abortion..... even where their own child is concerned.

reply from: KaylieBee

It's nine full months, you know..
Indeed it is. :/ Internets and one am probably shouldn't go together.

reply from: sweet

you answered your own question.....also, only men can be 'fathers' and only women can be 'mothers' so if you have two 'lesbians, ' the child is missing out on his father....and vice versa....yes sometimes fathers are gone anyway...but to choose this is not fair to the child....the Bible has many details of fathers and mothers.
Pro 14:1 Every wise woman buildeth her house: but the foolish plucketh it down with her hands.

reply from: BossMomma

you answered your own question.....also, only men can be 'fathers' and only women can be 'mothers' so if you have two 'lesbians, ' the child is missing out on his father....and vice versa....yes sometimes fathers are gone anyway...but to choose this is not fair to the child....the Bible has many details of fathers and mothers.
Pro 14:1 Every wise woman buildeth her house: but the foolish plucketh it down with her hands.
And this means what to non-christians?

reply from: KaylieBee

Of course.What's wrong with having two mothers? weren't you saying earlier about how great 'maternal' instinct was? What's wrong when a single woman decides to adopt, be inseminated, or even chooses to leave the man who fathered her child, and not find another one?
I don't think giving a child parents that love it, regardless of their combination of genders is wrong. I don't see why it would ever be wrong to give a child a safe, loving home.

reply from: Cecilia

So you do advocate women having abortions if there is going to be no father involved? You think lesbians who utilize sperm donors to bring life in the world should not do so?
Conflict.

reply from: sweet

of course.What's wrong with having two mothers? weren't you saying earlier about how great 'maternal' instinct was? What's wrong when a single woman decides to adopt, be inseminated, or even chooses to leave the man who fathered her child, and not find another one?
I don't think giving a child parents that love it, regardless of their combination of genders is wrong. I don't see why it would ever be wrong to give a child a safe, loving home.
when all else fails...LOVE the child with or without a mother/father! but wouldn't most children agree that the love of both parents is better than the love of only one?

reply from: sweet

So you do advocate women having abortions if there is going to be no father involved? You think lesbians who utilize sperm donors to bring life in the world should not do so?
Conflict.
have abortions never. two women should not have sex first of all, if they do, it won't produce children...so they can't bring life into the world 'together'.

reply from: KaylieBee

if they have two moms or two dads, they are getting two times the parental love. What is wrong with that?


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