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pro choice = pro suicide

.. and Kurt Cobain's notebook

by: ChristianLott2

I think it stands to reason that those people who think human life is anything less than sacred are also people who take their own lives for granted.
Thought of this today at the bookstore. They had Kurt Cobain's notebook for $1 so I opened to a random page where he was railing about women at a rape crisis center not being told of their option to abort.
He made his 'choice'.
Sad. I liked his BLEACH record and a few other songs. A little too pessimistic and morbid - but it was cool at the time.

reply from: nancyu

If he were here I would tell him that killing a child is never an option. But he's not here. Guess he avoided a fight with me, the coward.

reply from: KaylieBee

What do you mean, he made his choice? The choice to kill himself? Or are you trying to say the evil, evil pro-choice people are going to get what's comin' to 'em?

reply from: ChristianLott2

yeah.
you do reap what you sow - which was the lesson of this.

reply from: KaylieBee

He was a guy who wrote angry music, and ended up killing himself, to this day fans believe Courtney did it out of denial...

reply from: galen

Cobain killed himself because of untreated depression and drug abuse... he was mentally ill, his suicide and other ravings were products of a poisoned mind.
He was a great artist, must like other greats he was mentally ill...
anyone remember Van Goh?

reply from: KaylieBee

Kinda like how Hemmingway shot himself when he was getting too old and crazy to write anything. I have a soft spot for that man, though. He said what every level A student thinks when forced to read the old man and the sea. 'There were no symbols, just an old man, a fish, and a boat' (extremely paraphrased).
I wanted to say Cobain killed himself from depression, but I wasn't exactly sure. He offed himself in the early nineties, right? I was just a baby...or maybe even a fertilized egg...

reply from: galen

Yep MTV broke into the news and ran with it for weeks... we all had a good cry and then realised we expected it from him...wonder what that means.
But when you read about him and courtney , everyone wanted them to abort frances when she was 'in utero', because they had used heavily drink and drugs. they both refused, and by all accounts she is a wonderful young lady now... thanks to her grandparent's stability i think.

reply from: KaylieBee

Galen, could you do me the honor of being one of the first people to read my posts on my blogs, and perhaps drop a comment or two? the link in my signature...

reply from: ChristianLott2

You know a guy is screwed up when he's that famous and has a girlfriend. ha.

reply from: ChristianLott2

btw, kb - do your parents know you are posting a blog?

reply from: churchmouse

Well I believe I got what I deserved after my abortion. Why would God bless sinners? Why would God have blessed my life when I had sex before I was married? Then to solve my problem, I killed my unborn child. Why would He bless my actions in any way whatoever?
And in a broader sense why would God bless those Christians that are actively and knowingly sinning?
I believe that sin splashes. And when we sin it can directly affect other people. My sin caused not only anquish in my life but those in my family as well.
When you take drugs YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE. Why do people always try to put the blame on others?
I do not believe Van Gogh was a drug addict. Cobain was a drug addict and he surrounded himself with drug addicts. You surround yourself with questionable people and well bad things can happen.

reply from: KaylieBee

Denial. 'HE Can't have killed himself! It had to have been that evil ***** courtney! X y and Z aren't possible from a suicide! I know more than the police do about this case!' etc.
It's hardly any of their business, is it? Besides, I don't post anything that isn't common knowledge.

reply from: ChristianLott2

It's hardly any of their business, is it? Besides, I don't post anything that isn't common knowledge.
I didn't read all of it but there seems to be a lot of personal information on your blog. It would be wise to show your parents and ask permission. They do pay the bills don't they?

reply from: Cecilia

When you take drugs YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE. Why do people always try to put the blame on others?
I do not believe Van Gogh was a drug addict. Cobain was a drug addict and he surrounded himself with drug addicts. You surround yourself with questionable people and well bad things can happen.
Many think Van Gogh had mental illnesses and often they partake in substance abuse.
Anywys I didn't know you had an abortion. Could you tell me or direct me to a thread where you talk about this "getting what you deserved"?

reply from: QueenJ

If he were here I would tell him that killing a child is never an option. But he's not here. Guess he avoided a fight with me, the coward.
He was a coward how exactly?

reply from: KaylieBee

What personal information? I don't think I've done much more than mention my country. They don't own the bleeding internet, nor that site. I'm not going to 'ask permission' to join a website, especially not one for which you only have to be 13 to join.

reply from: KaylieBee

Many people consider suicide to be running from your problems, rather than facing them.

reply from: QueenJ

Many people consider suicide to be running from your problems, rather than facing them.
I know. Although, I'm hoping that's not what she was referring to.
People who say such things are ignorant and dismissive. They are privileged enough to never have been plagued with severe mental health issues and therefore have absolutely no understanding whatsoever of suicidal ideation or of those who do commit suicide.

reply from: KaylieBee

Indeed, I've had arguments with people who didn't believe that depression is a real mental illness, and that people only turn to self injury for attention. I hate people who think like that.

reply from: KaylieBee

It's hardly any of their business, is it? Besides, I don't post anything that isn't common knowledge.
I didn't read all of it but there seems to be a lot of personal information on your blog. It would be wise to show your parents and ask permission. They do pay the bills don't they?
how is this helping the BAYBEEEESSSSS???
Do you have any idea what personal information they're refering to, though? I don't even think I have my country listed...

reply from: KaylieBee

Yeah, I know, on my blog. That's what they're referring to, apparently I have 'a lot' of personal information there...accept I'm not waving a credit card number around, no mention of my school by name, where the bf works, or so much as the make of car we own.

reply from: ChristianLott2

kb - you know what kind of personal information i'm talking about.
of the three of you - none of you can believe that nancyu could have had severe depression and ... got over it?
sure i believe depression is a chemical imbalance, call it a disease. circumstance, experience, opinions and belief, physical injury or abnormality, ..., mind set and setting - all contribute to a person's psychological environment. so which came first, chicken or egg. it still doesn't matter.
we wonder what happened to the world group mental environment to make pro aborts. i usually describe it as selfishness and control issues leading to anger and resentment, maybe coming about from a hostile environment - selfish and abusive or indifferent parents or friends .. when you get pushed around it's instinctive to push back, even if it hurts you.
QueenJ, what was your point really? to slam nancyu because she wasn't pc?
it's sometimes nice when intelligent people speak in plain terms without all the psychobabble. nancyu made a joke and you were too priss and prim to enjoy it.

reply from: KaylieBee

um, no, I don't. Whatever it is, I clearly don't consider it 'personal', other wise I wouldn't have made it public.
Feel free to quote it and tell me what it is, though. Or even comment on the entries you find 'too personal' and explain why.

reply from: ChristianLott2

yeah, wouldn't that be funny.
people can blog about stuff without talking about their sex life HINT.

reply from: KaylieBee

LOL. yeah, I'm a horrible person for that, aren't I?
I'm sure you'll be looking forward to Saturday night's entry.

reply from: ChristianLott2

i predict a failed relationship but that's probably what you wanted. therefore, no need to read the blog anymore.
oh well.

reply from: KaylieBee

What the hell are you talking about? Why do you predict a failed relationship?

reply from: ChristianLott2

It's not by the book so it has a better chance of failing.

reply from: KaylieBee

WTF are you saying exactly? seriously, explain to me why my relationship is going to fail. 'Not by the book'? What metaphorical book are you referring to to?

reply from: ChristianLott2

you are a pro abort. you think murdering your offspring can be justified.

reply from: ChristianLott2

the book of life, not the book of murder.

reply from: KaylieBee

Okay, that's cool. Tell me why that will make my relationship fail? You do realize millions of pro-choice and childfree couples get married every year, and spend their lives together, right? One of my best internet friends if like that.

reply from: ChristianLott2

this is not a fact. you've made a presumption.
you can't create an environment of life and love from murder and brutality.

reply from: KaylieBee

You must be very lonely. I bet people who eat meat can't love each either, since MEAT IS MURDER, innit? Do you think only pro-choice people's relationships fail? That the magic love of foetus's protects the good pro-lifers from making a mistake with someone they don't really love?

reply from: ChristianLott2

I think pro aborts have less chance of making a relationship work because they are fundamentally wrong about the purpose and meaning of life.
sound good?

reply from: KaylieBee

Nope, sounds extremely bitter and lonely to me. My meaning of life is to live it, not to crap out kids I don't want in the first place.

reply from: ChristianLott2

if you don't want kids don't have sex.

reply from: KaylieBee

Sorry, but I like sex.

reply from: ChristianLott2

so do i, it's just not worth murdering a baby over.

reply from: sweet

if a woman "murder" on-demand...with no regrets...that is SCARY! ANYONe FOR ABORTION doesn't care about life and is very confused. at least those that regret it have a conscience.

reply from: KaylieBee

http://www.imnotsorry.net

reply from: galen

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sorry kiddo ... i've tried a couple of times to do this ... and its not working for me.
maybe another time.

reply from: KaylieBee

Do you mean that the site is borked for you, or you can't think of anything to say? =(

reply from: KaylieBee

Weird. What does it say when you try to comment? I'm pretty sure anonymous users can post. :/

reply from: QueenJ

For one thing, you don't "get over" severe depression or any other serious mental illness.
And no, there is no way that someone who has gone through the depths of severe depression could ever be so callous towards another sufferer of the disease, especially one who has died from it.
There is no believe or not believe. Depression is a chemical imbalance that can be and is exacerbated by circumstance, environment, experience(s), and/or (but not limited to) physical injury.
And you got your degree in psychology/psychiatry from where, exactly?
My point was to point out the lack of compassion for humanity displayed by someone who professes to have immense compassion for humanity.
The joke was where again? The intelligent person making it is who again?
And you mention "psychobabble?" To see an example, please refer to the second paragraph of yours that I've quoted. Or is that just plain incomprehensible babble?

reply from: ChristianLott2

I think you're wrong.

reply from: ChristianLott2

aahhh. a golden era of slaughter.
bigot.

reply from: ChristianLott2

nirvana:bleach:blew(:altered)

reply from: galen

here are the lyrics..
Blew

If you wouldn't mind I would like it blew
If you wouldn't mind I would like it loose
If you wouldn't care I would like to leave
If you wouldn't mind I would like to breathe
Is there another reason for your stay
Could you believe him when you discussed his stain?
Here is another word that rhymes with shame
If you wouldn't mind I would like it blew
If you wouldn't mind I would like it loose
If you wouldn't care I would like to bleed
If you wouldn't mind I would like to breathe.
Is there another reason for your stay
Could you believe him when you discussed his stain?
Here is another word that rhymes with shame
You could do anything (x8)
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i really don't think that the fact of his suicide has anything to do with his prochoice/ prolife views... he was known to shoot off at the mouth and be pretty bi polar acting in his life ( though i don't think he was ever officially diagnosed). It seems rather sad that you would take an artist that was pretty damn amazing and slash his reputation because of mental disease and then try to tie it all into abortion...
IMO it was a shame he died and the industry couldn't see past the $$$$ to help him.
IMO it was more to the point that he and his wife had thier child when everyone was pushing for an abortion due to thier drink and drug history.
IMO the 2 things are not necessarily connected....Cobain was pretty emotional when he said what he did about rape victims...most people are.. but as far as i can find he never mentioned abortion again, so we really do not know what he thought about the subject as a whole or even if he did any other thinking on it at all....

reply from: ChristianLott2

yeah, i know. what does it mean?
oh come on. most pro aborts are bi polar, hysterical, angry, suicidal, depressed people from abusive families who create abusive relationships.
there are millions of great artists in the world, 99.999% of who you will never hear about. don't do what the media did and turn him into an icon. he's just a person.
1. so you read his notebooks?
2. it wasn't his 'choice' to have the child.
he did have song called 'pennyroyal tea' where he doesn't seemed that enamored of the abortion thing.
Jimi Hendrix wrote a song about abortion called 'bellybutton window' before he died as well.

reply from: KaylieBee

this is not a fact. you've made a presumption.

reply from: ChristianLott2

it's a fact. pro aborts have no respect for human life. it's what makes them who they are.

reply from: ChristianLott2

the one necessitates the other.

reply from: Cecilia

I find it sad that you believe these things.

reply from: QueenJ

the one necessitates the other.
Faithman, is that you (with a slightly - heavy emphasis on slightly - better grasp of the English language)?

reply from: ChristianLott2

fm - the man. I'm not as good as him
You think I'm attempting to instigate.
Pro choicers are people who lack the fundamental ability to be human. Most would prefer to see themselves as slightly (heavy emph on slight) evolved animals.

reply from: KaylieBee

Lol, you're so funny. There's no way anything you say can be even partially serious.

reply from: galen

i can think of several prolife people on this board who are almost certainly bi polar... one does not = the other....

reply from: galen

yeah, i know. what does it mean?
oh come on. most pro aborts are bi polar, hysterical, angry, suicidal, depressed people from abusive families who create abusive relationships.
there are millions of great artists in the world, 99.999% of who you will never hear about. don't do what the media did and turn him into an icon. he's just a person.
1. so you read his notebooks?
2. it wasn't his 'choice' to have the child.
he did have song called 'pennyroyal tea' where he doesn't seemed that enamored of the abortion thing.
Jimi Hendrix wrote a song about abortion called 'bellybutton window' before he died as well.
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for 1 you have a typo or you heard wrong... its bleed not breed....
he and courtney BOTH made the descision together....yes i've read his notebooks...and the comments made on air corrospond to the date ( 1 ) he mentioned abortion 1 time....pennyroyale tea is about the agony associated with abortion.....think deep, his writing was never something to just be read or listened to at face value...
I had always enjoyed cobain... from way back when i first saw them preform in seattle... before they were an official sign on to the 'industry'... i even have a cassett tape they threw out at the bar.

reply from: ChristianLott2

I'm dead serious.
The world is upside down. It's raining dead babies. Reign in blood.
Bill Gates' dad was president of Planned Parenthood in Calif.
The world's most filthy rich and successful are all evil pro aborts.
They tell you to fight the wars you can't win, they force you to slaughter your own family.
They weaken your love, your sense of justice, your sense of loyalty, trust, compassion and empathy.
Life is trash. Throw it in the garbage. You're worth nothing unless you're rich and powerful and the master race.
You're not forgiven until you're perfect.
You will never be perfect though.
unwanted person = dead person.
ef em. they don't count. only responsible adults count.
you want to be responsible, huh? then don't burden us with another one of you.
that's exactly how they think. it's simple, primitive - exactly what a higher species condemns. it's reptilian, first brain.

reply from: ChristianLott2

yeah, i know. but thats how i heard it. i read his version and cant understand what he means so i now prefer my version.
wow, and i just happened to open the notebook to that exact page? cewl.
awesome!

reply from: ChristianLott2

i think pro life people would be twenty times less likely to kill themselves.
but like what queenJ brought up, which came first - the experience that started the chemical imbalance or the imbalance that provoked an experience. when you don't have a conclusive place to start you can't logically infer anything - moot.

reply from: KaylieBee

Baaaaaaw! Cry more. God, reading that post was like trying to read through a conspiracy theory about 9/11.

reply from: ChristianLott2

okay. I'll try.
Attempting to find reasons for murdering your own baby.
ummmm. the world is too small!
ummmm. global warming!
ummmm. god doesn't exist!
ummmm. stretch marks!
ummmm. women are the master race!
ummmm. ummmm. ummmm.

reply from: KaylieBee

Oh, good thing you can come up with so many reasons, CL2. I wonder why you oppose something when you think there are so many reasons for it?

reply from: ChristianLott2

So in your opinion those are all good reasons.
Any you would like to add?

reply from: nancyu

I find it sad that you believe these things.
Well... the ones who aren't any of the above are just plain warped in their thinking. How would you describe someone who condones the killing of innocent children?

reply from: yoda

It's ironic..... many proaborts try to maintain an image of respectability by claiming all sorts of idiotic things like "it isn't a baby" or "it isn't alive", etc.
And then others just come right out an say "Yes, it's a baby, and I think it's okay to kill it electively if you want to". So, which is worse?

reply from: KaylieBee

It it has the same end result, why does it matter?

reply from: yoda

One is brutally honest, the other is brutally dishonest.
Is there a difference? Well, not much, actually.....

reply from: Cecilia

I find it sad that you believe these things.
Well... the ones who aren't any of the above are just plain warped in their thinking. How would you describe someone who condones the killing of innocent children?
I find it sad that you believe it, too.

reply from: yoda

What part of "killing innocent children" do you dispute?

reply from: Cecilia

It's sad that you buy into it, too.

reply from: yoda

I repeat: WHAT PART OF "KILLING INNOCENT CHILDREN" do you dispute?

reply from: Cecilia

I do not engage in strawman debates. Find another gullible soul, LCR seems easy enough.

reply from: yoda

The only thing I can conclude is that you have me confused with nancyu.... it was she who said "most pro aborts are bi polar, hysterical, angry, suicidal, depressed people from abusive families who create abusive relationships."
My comment was in response to what I thought was your assertion that "How would you describe someone who condones the killing of innocent children?" was an improper question.
Do you? Or are you reacting to the first statement?


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