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by: Hosea

I recently joined this forum because I was told it was a place for pro-lifers to share thoughts and ideas. I thought I could share my ministry of providing burial caskets for women who lose a child in the first or second trimester. I wanted to know how to tell others and I wanted some feedback.
I notice that ther are a lot of pro-abortion/choice people who are on this forum. I believe in freedom of speech and am open to hear others opinions but I am confused. This is a pro-life website. Do those of you who are not pro-life join the forum to try and change pro-lifers minds? Do you like to debate and argue? Are you bored? I really am curious. Please share your responses
Hosea

reply from: BossMomma

I recently joined this forum because I was told it was a place for pro-lifers to share thoughts and ideas. I thought I could share my ministry of providing burial caskets for women who lose a child in the first or second trimester. I wanted to know how to tell others and I wanted some feedback.
I notice that ther are a lot of pro-abortion/choice people who are on this forum. I believe in freedom of speech and am open to hear others opinions but I am confused. This is a pro-life website. Do those of you who are not pro-life join the forum to try and change pro-lifers minds? Do you like to debate and argue? Are you bored? I really am curious. Please share your responses
Hosea
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My ministry is Heaven's Gain www.heavensgain.com
I joined under the impression that this was a debate board. My mistake, I'll leave.

reply from: Hosea

Boss momma
You are welcome to stay. I am just trying to figure things out. From what I have read it has become a debate board. I think debate gives those who are pro-life a reaffirming of their beliefs. I really am curious why people come to this forum. I am new too and womder if this is the right fit. I have never joined a forum or chat room.

reply from: churchmouse

I understand how you feel. I cant say what I was looking for actually. I had been debating on another site and ninety nine percect of the people there were pro-choice. I can take a few.......but that many people that do not regard the unborn as people......get to ya. They hated Christians, they used profanity.....etc. I dont need to take that.
I have met Crutcher several times and got on this site to look up something I was researching.
I came to talk to people that have a passion for the unborn, true pro-lifers.
The other site I was on discussed everything under the sun. I figured this would be different. But I seriously welcome talking to those that are pro-choice in the hope they see the unborn as humans that deserve life.
Hosea I looked at your site and was really impressed. Do you have brochures that you can send out to places that might need your services?
Absolutely awesome work. God bless you.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

I joined this forum as a pro-choicer to try to understand more about the pro-life mentality and reasoning. I am always open to new ideas and am not averse to changing my opinions.
Since being here, I have revised my pro-choice stance to believe that more oversight of clinic conditions may be needed, and that abortions should not be allowed after 20 weeks gestation except for reasons of maternal health or fatally deformed fetuses.
Even so, I am fairly certain that I will remain pro-choice because I believe that there are too many born and living people in the world who desperately need help, and that they take precedence over the unborn. There are also far worse problems in this country and others than saving unwanted unborn children. Let's save the existing children (and adults) first.
Besides, I don't believe that it is anybody's business other than the parents when sex, marriage and/or pregnancy is involved. They are the ones who are responsible for any future children, and if they are unable or unwilling to have a child, they should not be forced to do so.

reply from: faithman

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How SSSSSOOOOOO very intelectual of you. But you continue to ignore that a http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg is a person. You are a high minded murderous bully, who thinks have the "right" to kill a helpless child. You are a disgusting excuse for a human being, and should be treated like a womb child slated for abortion to see how you like it.

reply from: Hosea

I understand how you feel. I cant say what I was looking for actually. I had been debating on another site and ninety nine percect of the people there were pro-choice. I can take a few.......but that many people that do not regard the unborn as people......get to ya. They hated Christians, they used profanity.....etc. I dont need to take that.
I have met Crutcher several times and got on this site to look up something I was researching.
I came to talk to people that have a passion for the unborn, true pro-lifers.
The other site I was on discussed everything under the sun. I figured this would be different. But I seriously welcome talking to those that are pro-choice in the hope they see the unborn as humans that deserve life.
Hosea I looked at your site and was really impressed. Do you have brochures that you can send out to places that might need your services?
Absolutely awesome work. God bless you.
Hi Church mouse.
I tried to send you a private e-mail. I was curious. Are you a member of Feminists for life? I am. Thanks for your support of my website and my ministry. I would be happy to send business cards toanyone interested. I do not have any nice brochures as of yet. Thanks for taking the time to check ut the website. It really means a lot to me. God Bless
Donna Murphy

reply from: yoda

There's nothing wrong with helping everyone in need that you can help. In fact, that should be the duty of every person of good conscience.
At the same time, however, that is no justification for supporting the violent killing of innocent unborn babies.
You cannot justify deadly violence by citing the needs of others.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I originally came to this board after growing frustrated with the board I had been on before. It was pro-choice mostly and had a ghastly attitude towards pro-life people. I was hoping to find a pro-life board where I could logically discuss abortion. I didn't find it, but I did fine prolifeamerica.com.
I was pro-choice when I first game here, but only barely. After some discussions and seeing a video, I finally became pro-life.
Yes, I was originally hoping to either change their minds, or at least to help them understand the pro-choice view, and realise that they're not all psychotic baby-killers. I have yet to succeed in this mission but I'm working on it.
Yes, I love to debate. No, I don't like to argue. The two are different. There is a lot of arguing going on in this forum and not a lot of debating.
Yes, I was certainly bored, because I'd been forced to leave my old forum after posting a good-bye message. I was bored and wanted to find somewhere new to debate and learn. I decided to check out a pro-life site because I already had a lot of experience with the pro-choice side of things. I want to be an educated debater.

reply from: Hosea

I originally came to this board after growing frustrated with the board I had been on before. It was pro-choice mostly and had a ghastly attitude towards pro-life people. I was hoping to find a pro-life board where I could logically discuss abortion. I didn't find it, but I did fine prolifeamerica.com.
I was pro-choice when I first game here, but only barely. After some discussions and seeing a video, I finally became pro-life.
Yes, I was originally hoping to either change their minds, or at least to help them understand the pro-choice view, and realise that they're not all psychotic baby-killers. I have yet to succeed in this mission but I'm working on it.
Yes, I love to debate. No, I don't like to argue. The two are different. There is a lot of arguing going on in this forum and not a lot of debating.
Yes, I was certainly bored, because I'd been forced to leave my old forum after posting a good-bye message. I was bored and wanted to find somewhere new to debate and learn. I decided to check out a pro-life site because I already had a lot of experience with the pro-choice side of things. I want to be an educated debater.
Thanks for explaining your jouney to me. I find it very interesting to find out why people have various views. Eduating each other is a blessing. I agree that I hate the name calling. I do like to see people trying to convince others of their view by intelligent debate. I took the name Hosea because Hosea 4:6 says "My people will suffer for lack of knowledge" I think many people are pro-choice( abortion is the choice) because they have not been educated. Yelling at others does not get them to hear the truth. Kindness partnered with honesty and truth promotes our ability to open our minds and hearts to the truth.

reply from: Faramir

This is not a sum zero game where one person's gain is another person's loss.
If a baby is born in the US who "should" have been aborted, a baby in another country somewhere does not die because of it.
The vast majority of those who live instead of perishing by abortion will become productive members of society and will be contributing to the overall good.
Just think if the 50 million in the US who had not been aborted would now be among us working and producing. How much more would we then be able to help those in need in other countries?

reply from: faithman

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reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

I joined this forum because children are being murdered and something has to be said against it. Babykillers are wicked.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Ummm - right. All this country needs is another 50 million people to suck dry our planet's natural resources, clog up the welfare system, decimate Social Security, fight for jobs that are long gone and require more housing, schools, utilities, vehicles, etc.
We'd be just fine with 50 million FEWER people than we now have.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

We learn that people have really different values and belief systems.

reply from: Hosea

Thanks for explaining your jouney to me. I find it very interesting to find out why people have various views. Eduating each other is a blessing. I agree that I hate the name calling. I do like to see people trying to convince others of their view by intelligent debate. I took the name Hosea because Hosea 4:6 says "My people will suffer for lack of knowledge" I think many people are pro-choice( abortion is the choice) because they have not been educated. Yelling at others does not get them to hear the truth. Kindness partnered with honesty and truth promotes our ability to open our minds and hearts to the truth.
This was not allme I am doing something wrong to respond directly to a quote. I need help to figure out how to have the box around what I am responding to.

reply from: Linkup

We learn that people have really different values and belief systems.
TRUTH IS NOT AN OPINION

reply from: Linkup

JESUS SAID "HE IS THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.
THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE!

reply from: Linkup

STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDING OF ABORTIONS SHOULD ABORTED.

reply from: churchmouse

Your still pro-abortion....you have not really changed anything. You condone the slaughter.....period. You jsut want to make the clinics more swanky is all. The heart starts beating at around 20 days. My neice was born at 22 weeks. Is now 16 and a member of the National Honor Society. You condone woman killing at her gestational age.
I want to scream I am so ticked off. You pro-aborts are idiots. Complete and utter idiots. I am sorry.......so sorry. But your position makes me ill. You have no clue and you want to come across as someone that is so so..........oh I dont know. You make me sick.
Oh I am sure you will. You need to go in and watch a doctor dismembering a fetus is what you need to do. Maybe then you will see the inhumanity of your position.
Oh Pleaze.......youre to much to take.

reply from: Faramir

Ummm - right. All this country needs is another 50 million people to suck dry our planet's natural resources, clog up the welfare system, decimate Social Security, fight for jobs that are long gone and require more housing, schools, utilities, vehicles, etc.
We'd be just fine with 50 million FEWER people than we now have.
Social Security is unfortunately a fruad and a type of pyramid scheme, but we need more poepole to support it and not less.
I don't know why you would think that those who aren't aborted would naturally be worthless bums who suck off the state.
We don't have to "fight" for jobs. There is a job for anyone who has marketable skills.
And which 50 million would we be better off without?

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Your still pro-abortion....you have not really changed anything. You condone the slaughter.....period. You jsut want to make the clinics more swanky is all. The heart starts beating at around 20 days. My neice was born at 22 weeks. Is now 16 and a member of the National Honor Society. You condone woman killing at her gestational age.
Swanky??????? That's hilarious! And I plainly stated 20 weeks because that is safely below the current age of viability. Those extra 2 weeks meant everything to your niece. Had she come at 20 weeks, she would have been stillborn or died shortly after birth. I DO NOT condone abortions past viability except for extreme cases.
I want to scream I am so ticked off. You pro-aborts are idiots. Complete and utter idiots. I am sorry.......so sorry. But your position makes me ill. You have no clue and you want to come across as someone that is so so..........oh I dont know. You make me sick.
Sorry to make you ill. I am not clueless. I'm a middle aged woman who has had several children.
Oh I am sure you will. You need to go in and watch a doctor dismembering a fetus is what you need to do. Maybe then you will see the inhumanity of your position.
Nobody gets dismembered in early abortions.
Oh Pleaze.......youre to much to take.
Try minding your own life, lady. If that kid isn't in YOUR uterus, it's none of your goshdarned business what happens to it when it's nothing but an 8 or 10 week fetus.
Seriously, you pro-life busybodies need to find a hobby or something.

reply from: futureshock

See the Hyde Amendment.

reply from: yoda

Oh my, if you can decide for us when it's none of our business that a child is killed, then you can also extend that time frame to any age you like, can't you?
Sure, you can tell us that it's none of our business if say, a 10 year old is slaughtered in his home, right?
Or how about a school full of little Amish girls? YOU can tell us that is none of our business, can't you?

reply from: Agape

We learn that people have really different values and belief systems.
TRUTH IS NOT AN OPINION
I'm here to learn what other people think. I already know the truth.

reply from: yoda

No you're not. You're here to try to prove how "superior" you are.....

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Oh my, if you can decide for us when it's none of our business that a child is killed, then you can also extend that time frame to any age you like, can't you?
Sure, you can tell us that it's none of our business if say, a 10 year old is slaughtered in his home, right?
Or how about a school full of little Amish girls? YOU can tell us that is none of our business, can't you?
Nope, the nonviable unborn are the only ones who should be allowed to be terminated. They have not become able to live outside someone else's body, and if that someone is ANY woman, she should be allowed to get rid of them.
Once they become able to live OUTSIDE the uterus WITH or WITHOUT medical assistance, they are persons.
I'm not interested in making anybody's decisions for them - they are capable of doing so without my input.
And I do care about 10 year olds and little Amish girls. It was one of your kind that went nuts and shot those girls. Religious fundamentalist Christian. We've had a few others do the same - the home-schooled kid who killed his girlfriend's parents, for example. Real pro-life people, aren't they? Oh, that's right, they're "fake Christians" - sure. They lived the life until they suddenly went wacko and lost their religion, I guess.

reply from: yoda

Why, because you say so? How about people in an iron lung? How about quadriplegics? How about people who are too sick to get out of bed?
Why do YOU get to make the rules about who it's OKAY TO KILL????
I rarely resort to profanity.... but you are full of sh*t!
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WHAT??? You just CONTRADICTED YOURSELF!! Are you now telling us that you would be interested in making that madman's decision for him, before he killed all those poor little girls? What happened to the cold, indifferent RML who said that "they are capable of doing so without my input."????
Was this man not capable of making his own decisions?????

reply from: Jameberlin

Ummm - right. All this country needs is another 50 million people to suck dry our planet's natural resources, clog up the welfare system, decimate Social Security, fight for jobs that are long gone and require more housing, schools, utilities, vehicles, etc.
We'd be just fine with 50 million FEWER people than we now have.
Social Security is unfortunately a fruad and a type of pyramid scheme, but we need more poepole to support it and not less.
I don't know why you would think that those who aren't aborted would naturally be worthless bums who suck off the state.
We don't have to "fight" for jobs. There is a job for anyone who has marketable skills.
And which 50 million would we be better off without?
I thought social security was developed during the 20's to help those who were above working age, and the only reason it worked in the first place is because there were more workers than retirees. There's a problem with SS now, because now that the baby boomers are retiring we have no workers to support them. More workers would help SS, not less.
Chances are, we've been aborting perfectly good candidates for doctors, scientists, economists and humanists who would be now saving lives, creating jobs and possibly curing cancer? We'll never know now that they're all gone.
I had a friend who thought she was pregnant again, she told me "if it's my husbands, i'll have an abortion... if it's my one of my boyfriend's, i'll keep it." These are a lot of the kinds of girls getting abortions today... and abortion encourages this kind of thinking, IMO.
Hosea, i randomly found this forum while i was looking up pro-life related sites... I've never been on a forum or message board before (it's weird too, cause i'm a total "internet kid", i'm only 22). I was expecting to maybe be able to share good news about victories in this fight, and to share information and communicate with other pro-lifers, this wasn't exactly what i expected, but i thought i'd stick it out because there are some very good people here with the right intentions and a willingness to learn and be open minded.

reply from: Agape

No you're not. You're here to try to prove how "superior" you are.....
It is odd how you were very respectful to me until I voiced concern that you were putting pictures of unknown, innocent children online coupled with abortionists, their staff, and the clientele. You haven't an argument to stand on, my fair weathered friend, and you have taught me alot.

reply from: Agape

That is odd as heck. Did she explain why?

reply from: Jameberlin

She and her (now ex) husband were never very... polite... to one another. He has some mental problems (manic depressive), and she has some as well (depressed, self destructive, low self esteem/control). They used to fight all the time, and she would say things like "i dare you to hit me!" and "Oh, beat me so i can put you in prison!" you know, typical domestic dispute crap. Then once she went and got herself a boyfriend (who happened to be an old family friend and an uncle to her best friend) and had a few "rolls in the hay". When she came back home to her husband and child, she told him all about it, and that made everything worse..
Anyway, in the end, she just decided she hated her husband so much she would kill any more of his children that dared to be conceived in her body (all the while refusing to give up sex with him, and refusing to use birth control)... but if it were the child of aforementioned boyfriend she would keep it.
She already had one child, and it was after that she became pro-abortion.. and apparently decided spite is a valid reason to have one.
I don't really talk to her anymore, i was shocked when she told me that (as i was 7 months pregnant) and she lies, a lot.

reply from: galen

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i joined several years ago with the woman who started on this avatar... the original galen.
we started here as a way for the women in our shelter to get some experience with what the world would throw at them for being prolife...
i stayed after she died as a way of keeping her memory alive... and along the way i learned to enjoy this as a place to debate, inform, and educate.
i even learn a few things myself.

reply from: jujujellybean

this is actually a pretty good question. I joined totally by chance. Me and my friend, known to all here as beprolifewithme, were researching for a pro life paper and she cam across this site, gave me a call, and told me she had already joined. So I joined, and it has been awesome. There are some loony people on both sides of the debate, but hey, you can't get rid of them!

reply from: lukesmom

Reasons why I joined: After my son died, I questioned why people are pro abortion/prochoice because my son was a person who deserved to live his life until natural death and he deserved to be treated as a human being, not as disposable garbage. I originally went to a prochoice site but it was too rough and I really wasn't in a good emotional place to deal with that. I finally found this site where people were kinder (at that time) and willing to help me learn how to debate as I had no clue. I have learned a little about debating, I hope! Anyway, I also wanted to open prolifer's eyes to abortions for medical reasons as I have been told repeatedly by prolifers that in my son's case abortion would be acceptable. I hope I have opened eyes of those who felt that way. Note: not all prolifers feel this way. I welcome most prochoicers here as they usually have this unrealistic preconcieved idea of what and who prolifers are and I am able to shoot down most of their assumptions.
Good question BTW!

reply from: tallymarx

I signed up on this forum to learn the facts about abortion, learn about/organize ways to end abortion in the US, and defend my Pro-life opinion where necessary.
~tallymarx
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"Liberty may be endangered by the abuses of liberty as well as by the abuses of power...the former rather than the latter is apparently most to be apprehended by the United States." ~Alexander Hamilton

reply from: Faramir

No you're not. You're here to try to prove how "superior" you are.....
It is odd how you were very respectful to me until I voiced concern that you were putting pictures of unknown, innocent children online coupled with abortionists, their staff, and the clientele. You haven't an argument to stand on, my fair weathered friend, and you have taught me alot.
Do you realize that you are now destined for "igglyland"?
LOL

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Thanks for explaining your jouney to me. I find it very interesting to find out why people have various views. Eduating each other is a blessing. I agree that I hate the name calling. I do like to see people trying to convince others of their view by intelligent debate. I took the name Hosea because Hosea 4:6 says "My people will suffer for lack of knowledge" I think many people are pro-choice( abortion is the choice) because they have not been educated. Yelling at others does not get them to hear the truth. Kindness partnered with honesty and truth promotes our ability to open our minds and hearts to the truth.
Your views of patient education will not be appreciated here, as the harcore pro-lifers on this forum think that being nice during this debate "encourages the baby-killers to murder more womb-children". I'm glad you do feel that the name calling is unacceptable, and hopefully, slowly, our opinions and people like us will begin to create a positive face for pro-life, instead of the seriously insane face that is presented.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

See Hosea, this is the kind of response you will see on here and this is the only "accepted" behavior and attitude of someone who is pro-life on these forums. Unless you hate and revile the "whores" who slaughter their children, you are NOT pro-life according to these people.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

No you're not. You're here to try to prove how "superior" you are.....
It is odd how you were very respectful to me until I voiced concern that you were putting pictures of unknown, innocent children online coupled with abortionists, their staff, and the clientele. You haven't an argument to stand on, my fair weathered friend, and you have taught me alot.
Oh but doesn't he?

reply from: Faramir

Why did you join?
If you truly want a straignt answer, I'll give it to you, but first tell me if you believe I am prolife, and if you belive that I'm a secret agent from Planned Parenthood who has been paid to infiltrate this forum.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Why did you join?
If you truly want a straignt answer, I'll give it to you, but first tell me if you believe I am prolife, and if you belive that I'm a secret agent from Planned Parenthood who has been paid to infiltrate this forum.
Oh no! Quick, hide the blood money!

reply from: KaylieBee

Because I'm a masochist, clearly.

reply from: Hosea

I am really enjoying hearing everyone's responses. Thanks for letting me know why you are on the forum. I am definitly pro-life from conception to natural death. I don't think an educated pro-lifer is going to be convinced to become pro-choice/abortion. I do think those who are pro-choice are not educates enough about what abortion does to babies, women, men , and society. I believe most of those who consider themselves pro-choice/abortion really have a good heart and want to help women and children but they don't understand how it hurts mothers, babies and fathers. If they did they would become pro-life and help protect them.

reply from: 4given

I would appreciate a straight answer, otherwise I would not have asked. I don't believe anyone would pay you to "infiltrate" any forum really. I find it odd that you would hold yourself in such special regard. I believe I know why you joined here, but would honestly like to hear your reasons for blessing us. (rather than another rambling about Yoda or he other posters here that you dislike)

reply from: Faramir

I would appreciate a straight answer, otherwise I would not have asked. I don't believe anyone would pay you to "infiltrate" any forum really. I find it odd that you would hold yourself in such special regard. I believe I know why you joined here, but would honestly like to hear your reasons for blessing us. (rather than another rambling about Yoda or he other posters here that you dislike)
I don't hold myself in "special regard," but have observed some "odd" posts implying such things--that I'm a plant from PP, that I'm being paid by PP, that I'm a "phony prolifer"--things that very "odd" and paranoid people would say.
But I came here to see for myself what this forum is about. I had been on a debate board and occassionaly prochoicers would quote this board and would mock it. The quotes I saw from a certain poster looked like psychobabble, so I assumed this board was loaded with kooks and didn't bother with it, but I eventually became curious and wanted to see what the board is really like.
After posting here for awhile, I've been pleasantly surprised to find that there are some nice people here and some very reasonable and dedicated prolifers, and I've learnded a lot from them. What is sad to me is that this board is dominated by a few prolifers whose egos are more important than their cause, and who are hostile to fellow prolifers.

reply from: faithman

I would appreciate a straight answer, otherwise I would not have asked. I don't believe anyone would pay you to "infiltrate" any forum really. I find it odd that you would hold yourself in such special regard. I believe I know why you joined here, but would honestly like to hear your reasons for blessing us. (rather than another rambling about Yoda or he other posters here that you dislike)
I don't hold myself in "special regard," but have observed some "odd" posts implying such things--that I'm a plant from PP, that I'm being paid by PP, that I'm a "phony prolifer"--things that very "odd" and paranoid people would say.
But I came here to see for myself what this forum is about. I had been on a debate board and occassionaly prochoicers would quote this board and would mock it. The quotes I saw from a certain poster looked like psychobabble, so I assumed this board was loaded with kooks and didn't bother with it, but I eventually became curious and wanted to see what the board is really like.
After posting here for awhile, I've been pleasantly surprised to find that there are some nice people here and some very reasonable and dedicated prolifers, and I've learnded a lot from them. What is sad to me is that this board is dominated by a few prolifers whose egos are more important than their cause, and who are hostile to fellow prolifers.
Yeah, you and CP do have emence egos. that is a fact. Glad you finally see the light.

reply from: Agape

Ha ha ha!!!
I really had no idea of the tone of the forum until I started posting. I think it's great that it's unmoderated and you're getting the 'real deal'.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

For the lulz. Plus I love getting insulted my a bunch of weird middle-aged religious freaks.

reply from: churchmouse

RiverMoon said,
I can't believe you would say this.
Yea, lets kill all the handicapped people.......then we could save wood and materials on those darn handicap ramps, and bathroom facilitities.
Lets kill all the retarded......then we wouldnt have to cow tow to their needs.
Lets not forget killing all the disabled......they just tie us down?
Hmmmm
All those with low IQs. Oh the elderly, they don't contribute much to society after a certain age. The ugly........we want a beautiful society with only beautiful people.
Sounds like A Brave New World...............just like Huxley wrote about doesn't it ?
Now you know that aint gonna happen. LOL
And hey if your neighbor is abusing his children its none of yours either is it?
Lets look away if its done behind closed doors right?
We like to spot light the real enemy........so hop up on stage girl.

LOL And when would this be? 20-21-22-23-24-25-26-27-28 weeks?
Would you be in favor of killing all those in comas and vegetative states because they are no longer viable? Kill anyone that needs medical assistance?
Even children born at full term need medical assistance. Is it ok to kill them too?
so even though a child might live at 22 weeks, they need help.
And your so called logic here makes no sense because if you are pro-abortion because of privacy and the right of the woman to own and control her own body, then who are you to tell her she should BE FORCED TO CARRY A CHILD SHE MAY NOT WANT. YOU THEN IMPRISON HER.

I doubt it. So all homeschooled children are religious fanatics? You only blame Christians for the bad things that happen in society?
You don't understand because obviously your heart is hardened, that might explain why you feel the unborn are simply blobs of flesh......that deserve to be dismembered and disposed of.
Hard-core pro-lifers? Could you explain that for us? What does that mean? People like you.......?
You mean those that are lukewarm on life, that sit the fence when the going gets tough about abortion? Those people?

reply from: churchmouse

Liberal you think this is a horrible statement.
And what is not true about this? Babykillers are sweet and compassionate people? They are sinners that are killing. The act of abortion is murder. And if you felt that way you wouldnt say the things that you do.
Liberal said,
No one said they should be hated. No one said they couldn't change.
Let me ask you this.......what would you call a guy that raped and killed a teenage girl? A pediphile that molested a child? Someone that killed a shop clerk in a robbery?
If I called them vile monsters......would you criticize me for it? I bet you wouldn't. Now remember that if you are pro-life, you believe that the unborn has the same worth as a born child...so the act of abortion would be equal to those I just mentioned.
If you kill, your a killer. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO PUT IT. Especially if you kill and its not self-defense. Sure you can change. God can forgive. But the noun to describe the act.....killing is killer.
ROFLMArseO
I'll put that one with your rusty ole pipe one. LOL HAHA
Oh how you want to come across as the victim, the innocent one. LOL
Poor poor vexing.

reply from: cracrat

Doesn't sound anything like A Brave New World. One would wonder if you had actually read that book or were just aware of the totalitarian regime it describes.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

I can't believe you would say this.
Yea, lets kill all the handicapped people.......then we could save wood and materials on those darn handicap ramps, and bathroom facilitities.
Lets kill all the retarded......then we wouldnt have to cow tow to their needs.
Lets not forget killing all the disabled......they just tie us down?
Hmmmm
All those with low IQs. Oh the elderly, they don't contribute much to society after a certain age. The ugly........we want a beautiful society with only beautiful people.
Sounds like A Brave New World...............just like Huxley wrote about doesn't it ?
Now you know that aint gonna happen. LOL
And hey if your neighbor is abusing his children its none of yours either is it?
Lets look away if its done behind closed doors right?
We like to spot light the real enemy........so hop up on stage girl.

LOL And when would this be? 20-21-22-23-24-25-26-27-28 weeks?
Would you be in favor of killing all those in comas and vegetative states because they are no longer viable? Kill anyone that needs medical assistance?
Even children born at full term need medical assistance. Is it ok to kill them too?
so even though a child might live at 22 weeks, they need help.
And your so called logic here makes no sense because if you are pro-abortion because of privacy and the right of the woman to own and control her own body, then who are you to tell her she should BE FORCED TO CARRY A CHILD SHE MAY NOT WANT. YOU THEN IMPRISON HER.
I doubt it. So all homeschooled children are religious fanatics? You only blame Christians for the bad things that happen in society?
You don't understand because obviously your heart is hardened, that might explain why you feel the unborn are simply blobs of flesh......that deserve to be dismembered and disposed of.
Hard-core pro-lifers? Could you explain that for us? What does that mean? People like you.......?
You mean those that are lukewarm on life, that sit the fence when the going gets tough about abortion? Those people?
Ummmmm - get back to me when your reading comprehension goes above a third-grade level and you realize you're not psychic. Most of your responses make no sense whatsoever (or you're haphazardly responding without bothering to read the posts in their entirety) and you sure do read a lot into the words of others. Is English your second language? If so, you can be forgiven for your complete confusion - but please stick with the ESL classes.
I did not advocate getting rid of 50 million EXISTING, ALREADY-BORN people. I stated that, had our population not risen by as much as it has, it would have been better for the country. You idiots are so stuck on the "murder" crap that you think pro-choicers want to mow down the disabled, elderly, infirm, etc. - where the hell does that idea come from? We have no interest whatsoever in getting rid of anyone BORN or VIABLE - never, ever, under no circumstances.
In addition, I have REPEATEDLY used the 20-week mark for fetal viability, because it is BELOW the current limit for survival WITH modern, up-to-date medical technology and abilities. Should scientific advances enable an 18-week fetus to survive outside the uterus, I would support lowering the upper limit on abortions. If it gets down to 14 weeks, for God's sake, I would support a change in the law to reflect that. Until then, however, there is NO WAY POSSIBLE for a fetus to survive outside the body of a woman at 20 weeks gestation - NO CHANCE, NO MIRACLES, it just CANNOT HAPPEN. MEDICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. PERIOD.
Comprendes, mujer? Si lo necesitas, hay diccionario electronico de Ingles y Espanol. Or whatever language you speak.

reply from: churchmouse

You can run but you cant hide. You just dont want to address the questions.
YOU IMPLIED THAT ABORTION WAS JUSTIFIED BECAUSE OF OVERPOPULATION.
That it might have been good because if all those unborns were living we would be even more overcrowded today.
I know exactly what you meant.
And we are not overpopulated.
So at 19 weeks its not a person.......but seven days later its a person.
So you think a woman has a right to kill at 19 weeks because its her body and she should decide what happens to it, but at 20 weeks she loses control of her body because all of a sudden the thing she has been carrying is A PERSON.
How rational is that line of thinking? Do you have any idea what a nineteen week fetus can do?
Look at this 3-d ultrasound.......this is what you think the doctor should dismember alive. UNBELIEVABLE. UNBELIEVABLE. PATHETIC.
http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/ibreeder/archive/2008/01/29/beware-the-breederspawn.aspx

http://www.babycentre.co.uk/pregnancy/fetaldevelopment/19weeks/

http://pregnancy.baby-gaga.com/calendar/week19

Just because an unborn couldnt survive does not mean its not human and does not deserve an extra week to grow.
You pro-aborts kill me. Sorry you are monsters IMO.
What language do I speak? Language that recognizes the life of the unborn child.
That is obviously a language you have never heard before.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

That's a very good way to look at things

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Hard-core pro-lifers? Could you explain that for us? What does that mean? People like you.......?
No; people like YOU. I am all for patient education.
Nope, I mean the exact opposite: those so obsessed with saving womb children that they hate the women, want to jail them, want to have them killed... not very pro-life imo. People like YOU.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Doesn't sound anything like A Brave New World. One would wonder if you had actually read that book or were just aware of the totalitarian regime it describes.
I've read it, and yes, it DOES sound similar. More importantly, they didn't kill the low IQed people in BNW; they purposely created them to serve as the lower working classes. The line "beautiful society with beautiful people" certainly fits 100% with BNW. Maybe YOU didn't read it?

reply from: churchmouse

You know what you have no clue what you are saying.
I am not obssessed with anything concerning pro-life work. I dont hate anyone even if I think they are inhumane. I am sure when I tell people I too killed my unborn they have the right to hate me.
Who said I wanted them jailed? Killed?
I dont think what Hill did was right.
And I am speaking from a place you have never been. I killed my unborn. I was a killer that day. And while I have repented and have been forgiven, it never changed what I did. God is using what i did to speak to others.
What dont you get?
I certainly do not hate woman, even though what they are doing is killing.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I've seen enough of your posts church, to know you are one of the "haters".

reply from: RiverMoonLady

q]Originally posted by: churchmouse
You can run but you cant hide. You just dont want to address the questions.
YOU IMPLIED THAT ABORTION WAS JUSTIFIED BECAUSE OF OVERPOPULATION.
NO, YOU MORON, I DID NOT SAY THAT.
That it might have been good because if all those unborns were living we would be even more overcrowded today.
Actually, it IS a good thing that they were never born, considering the wreck that is our ecomony.
I know exactly what you meant.
Apparently not.
And we are not overpopulated.
Not as badly as some nations, but we surely are not UNDERPOPULATED. Ever hear of finite resources?
So at 19 weeks its not a person.......but seven days later its a person.
It is and always has been a person. But it is not a VIABLE person until (at present) about 21 weeks.
So you think a woman has a right to kill at 19 weeks because its her body and she should decide what happens to it, but at 20 weeks she loses control of her body because all of a sudden the thing she has been carrying is A PERSON.
Your words, not mine.
How rational is that line of thinking? Do you have any idea what a nineteen week fetus can do?
I know what it CAN'T do, and that is to survive outside a woman's body, even with the best medical intervention that money can buy.
Look at this 3-d ultrasound.......this is what you think the doctor should dismember alive. UNBELIEVABLE. UNBELIEVABLE. PATHETIC.
I do not "think that the doctor should dismember alive" ANYBODY. I prefer that if a woman wants to abort her pregnancy, it should be done as early as possible, and that late-term abortions should be restricted.
http://www.blog.newsweek.com/b...eederspawn.aspx
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http://www.babycentre.co.uk/pregnancy/fetaldevelopment/19weeks/
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http://pregnancy.baby-gaga.com/calendar/week19
<br ">">http://pregnancy.baby-gag...calendar/week19
"baby-gaga.com?" Hilarious. I quote, "Lanugo (little hairs) covers their whole body now, trapping that charming cheese-like vernix caseosa (see week 18) to the surface to the skin. This week your lil' fetus will start on an appetizing diet of amniotic fluid which they are now capable of swallowing, digesting, and passing the fluid as far as their tiny "large" intestines. Fortunately for you, this nice little lump of baby-poop won't be coming out while they're still in your womb."
Apparently they cater to ignorant teenagers and idiots.
Just because an unborn couldnt survive does not mean its not human and does not deserve an extra week to grow.
Nobody EVER said it's not human. Nobody ever said it doesn't deserve an extra week to grow. But if it's MOTHER didn't want it inside her uterus, she should have had it removed months ago. And if it is endangering her life, or is grotesquely deformed in a manner incompatible with life, she has every right to have it terminated so that she does not have to continue with a pregnancy unable to produce a good outcome.
You pro-aborts kill me. Sorry you are monsters IMO.
Gosh, we don't want to kill you. Monsters? No, child molestors are monsters. Rapists are monsters. Serial killers are monsters.
What language do I speak? Language that recognizes the life of the unborn child.
That is obviously a language you have never heard before.
Really? I repeat (for the nth time) - IT IS HUMAN. IT IS ALIVE. IT LOOKS LIKE E.T. AND ITS MOMMY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN RID OF IT SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
Have I made myself clear now, or do you prefer to remain selectively obtuse?

reply from: churchmouse

You did say that. A good thing they were killed........... because of our economy?
LMAO
You are a trip. You meant it that way.
YOU CELEBRATE ABORTION for every reason under the sun. You are a pro-abort, you do not value all life and your views are inhumane to anyone that believes all life is sacred.
You want to kill the lif einside the womb. You pick and choose when you think life is worth saving.....your positions are all over the place. Why are child molesters monsters? Rapists? Serial killers?
You dont think an abortionist is a serial killer?
Was it human at 19 weeks? 12 weeks? Was the heart beating at 19 weeks?
the heart was beating at 20 days for your information.
Mommy should have killed it you mean.......?
Only a monster could look at the sonograms we look at today and still justify killing.
You are pathetic.

reply from: yoda

You haven't made an "argument" yet, when are you going to? You have simply stated that you don't like it, and that if I can't understand why you can't explain it to me. Cat still got your tongue?
Is that your best shot? You remind me a lot of another poster here, whom I refer to as "Fartnomore", who is known to take on various troll disguises in order to communicate with me. Can you assure us that you are not s/he?

reply from: yoda

?????
YOU want to talk about abortion??????
Stop the presses!!!

reply from: Agape

You haven't made an "argument" yet, when are you going to? You have simply stated that you don't like it, and that if I can't understand why you can't explain it to me. Cat still got your tongue?
Is that your best shot? You remind me a lot of another poster here, whom I refer to as "Fartnomore", who is known to take on various troll disguises in order to communicate with me. Can you assure us that you are not s/he?
I don't understand why I should continue this with you. You have already attempted to denigrate me. Were you someone I knew in person I would have ceased contact. I see no reason to do differently here.
I am not interested in assuring you of anything. I notice your use of "us", as in, "assuring us that I am not..." as if a false show of solidarity would bully me into your paranoid fantasies. I'm sure Faramir has far better things to do with their time than create multiple id's and go after you. It seems you have a problem with an inflated ego. Good luck with that.

reply from: Jameberlin

Agape, before you came he thought i was Carolemarie. I don't think he still believes that, but he hasn't said anything else about it since.
I'd just ignore it. He's bolstering his ego, thinking that we all hate him enough to make fake names and attack him or try to bring the movement down from the inside.
Pro-choice espionage, as it were.

reply from: yoda

Thanks, farty. That's all I needed to know.

reply from: yoda

Nah, only farty is that obsessed with me.......

reply from: Jameberlin

Thanks, farty. That's all I needed to know.
Farty? rofl.

reply from: yoda

Yeah, that's short for "Fartnomore".

reply from: yoda

No, they don't. There are NO conspiracies. There are NO conspirators.
Everything is as it appears to be.

reply from: Jameberlin

Apparently it is.. you appear to be a tad touched.

reply from: Jameberlin

I still don't see how you get 'Fartnomore' out of 'Faramir'.
The link is incredibly tenuous at best.
Not to mention extremely 6th grade.
I think his friends are bad influences.
"I fart in your general direction."

reply from: yoda

Do you charge for your online analysis, or is it just a benefit of being in the way of your smears?

reply from: Jameberlin

Do you charge for your online analysis, or is it just a benefit of being in the way of your smears?
Oh, you've just given me my siggy!

reply from: yoda

Don't forget to add "I read minds over the internet, and analyze them without being asked to".

reply from: Jameberlin

lol, i won't forget.
Hey, maybe your siggy should say something like: "i'll accuse you of being someone you're not if i ever decide i don't like what you say... without being asked to."

reply from: yoda

That's too long. Can u shorten it?

reply from: Jameberlin

No. I don't approve of "words" like "u", "4get", "2 bad" etc. Or thru. Thru really gets me, thru belongs on a traffic sign, not in a sentence. I may spell horribly, but i do at least try.

reply from: Hosea

Please lets get back to the subject. Why did you join the forum?

reply from: Jameberlin

Hosea I'm sorry for allowing myself to be distracted from your topic.. I stated on page 2 of this thread:

reply from: Faramir

Do you charge for your online analysis, or is it just a benefit of being in the way of your smears?
Gee, I wonder why so many engage in "smears" of poor yodavater, who just sits there and minds his own business.

reply from: Faramir

I still don't see how you get 'Fartnomore' out of 'Faramir'.
The link is incredibly tenuous at best.
Not to mention extremely 6th grade.
It's not very creative.
Not at all like "bloviater." That one was the work of a genius.
But if one is obsessed with gas, and must find a way to get "fart" into my screen name, I think a simple "Fartamir" would do. It's not all that great, but at least it makes a little sense.
If I can think of something better, I'll post it.
And yodavater is now 0 for 2 in accusing new posters of being someone they are not.

reply from: 4given

Are you that delusional? Folks, that was one of many Faramir fake names. (Newbies)
Cuz them old fake profiles weren't quite as obvious? Like those you admitted to. "cantstander" "Spaceman" "4life" "yodafaker".. Who else faramir? Did you admit to others, or just the obvious? Newbies - Faramir has had many aliases here to agree with him, reiterate his points already made or tally up against those he takes issue with. RIGHT FARAMIR? He admitted to those in question btw.

reply from: cracrat

Not of working age, they are contributing the most to society whilst their usual good health and capacity for self-support means they take the least. Now old people, there's a completely different proposition...

reply from: Faramir

You haven't made an "argument" yet, when are you going to? You have simply stated that you don't like it, and that if I can't understand why you can't explain it to me. Cat still got your tongue?
Is that your best shot? You remind me a lot of another poster here, whom I refer to as "Fartnomore", who is known to take on various troll disguises in order to communicate with me. Can you assure us that you are not s/he?
Agape, he thinks that you might be me. Can you assure me that you are not me (who is a he, which he knows).

reply from: Faramir

Are you that delusional? Folks, that was one of many Faramir fake names. (Newbies)
Cuz them old fake profiles weren't quite as obvious? Like those you admitted to. "cantstander" "Spaceman" "4life" "yodafaker".. Who else faramir? Did you admit to others, or just the obvious? Newbies - Faramir has had many aliases here to agree with him, reiterate his points already made or tally up against those he takes issue with. RIGHT FARAMIR? He admitted to those in question btw.
I lost track of them, but I believe you've about got them covered. Each of those characters was created as a spoof and as satire. They only have a couple of posts each. I was going to do one called "nutsyu" but changed my mind.
And I am rightfully proud of those characters.
But I know you are indignant about them, so what are you going to do? Do you intend to cast another spell and turn me into a frog?
Are you unhappy that faithman has also made some other accounts, or can your verbal molester boy do no wrong?

reply from: 4given

One would think right. Truth is it has happened countless times to his admission.

reply from: 4given

Are you that delusional? Folks, that was one of many Faramir fake names. (Newbies)
Cuz them old fake profiles weren't quite as obvious? Like those you admitted to. "cantstander" "Spaceman" "4life" "yodafaker".. Who else faramir? Did you admit to others, or just the obvious? Newbies - Faramir has had many aliases here to agree with him, reiterate his points already made or tally up against those he takes issue with. RIGHT FARAMIR? He admitted to those in question btw.
I lost track of them, but I believe you've about got them covered. Each of those characters was created as a spoof and as satire. They only have a couple of posts each. I was going to do one called "nutsyu" but changed my mind.
And I am rightfully proud of those characters.
But I know you are indignant about them, so what are you going to do? Do you intend to cast another spell and turn me into a frog?
Are you unhappy that faithman has also made some other accounts, or can your verbal molester boy do no wrong?
What are you talking about? Spells? This is your second attempt at something. What do you mean boy?
Why are you fond of the word "molester"?

reply from: Faramir

I'm trying to be nice and not outright call you a witch.
And I am more interested in why you are so fond of someone who is a verbal molester and totally excuse his bullying, and why you are so obsessed with me lately and continue to follow me around.
Do as you must, but I am hoping you hop on your broom and take a long ride.

reply from: yoda

I fear it's a lost cause, 4given. It's like trying to "reason" with a drunk, all you'll get is a lot of hot air, and no results. And if you really anger him, he'll crank up a half dozen "newbies" to attack you.......

reply from: yoda

I've always thought that was about the weakest of all possible excuses for the elective killing of an unborn baby.

reply from: Faramir

I fear it's a lost cause, 4given. It's like trying to "reason" with a drunk, all you'll get is a lot of hot air, and no results. And if you really anger him, he'll crank up a half dozen "newbies" to attack you.......
It's hard to reason with someone if you have your hands over your ears, isn't it yoda?

reply from: yoda

I hear there's a special on diapers down at Wally World, farty.......

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Obviously, parents do not have absolute control over the decisions their children make, or this would not be an issue to start with. Parents can't just forbid their children to have sex and reasonably believe that will prevent them from doing so. Some of our children will become pregnant regardless. If they do, adoption is certainly a viable option for parents who do not feel their children are ready for parenthood, and are unwilling/unable to step in and raise the baby. Forbidding the child to kill her baby certainly does not "force" the grandparents to raise the child.
I was NOT talking about parents of children facing decisions made by the children. I was referring to decisions made by the parents for their own lives. Sorry you misunderstood.

reply from: faithman

Obviously, parents do not have absolute control over the decisions their children make, or this would not be an issue to start with. Parents can't just forbid their children to have sex and reasonably believe that will prevent them from doing so. Some of our children will become pregnant regardless. If they do, adoption is certainly a viable option for parents who do not feel their children are ready for parenthood, and are unwilling/unable to step in and raise the baby. Forbidding the child to kill her baby certainly does not "force" the grandparents to raise the child.
I was NOT talking about parents of children facing decisions made by the children. I was referring to decisions made by the parents for their own lives. Sorry you misunderstood.
So killing a womb child should be a parental choice? What you seem to misunderstand is what a dispicable low life you are.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Ummm - right. All this country needs is another 50 million people to suck dry our planet's natural resources, clog up the welfare system, decimate Social Security, fight for jobs that are long gone and require more housing, schools, utilities, vehicles, etc.
We'd be just fine with 50 million FEWER people than we now have.
If killing some of them was a viable solution, wouldn't it make more sense to kill adults, since they use far more resources than children? There are lots of problems that society is faced with that could conceivably be solved by killing people, but do we really want to go down that slippery slope?
Absolutely not. What we need is for people to make better decisions about carelessly reproducing and filling the planet with unwanted children that they ignore, or worse, abuse. In other words, BIRTH CONTROL.
There will never be a reason to kill people who are already born and living (unless you believe war is a good thing and that we should sacrifice our service members for the benefit of the rich.) Talk to your local Republican politician about that.
Apparently a lot of you enjoy paying tax money to support women on welfare who do nothing but recklessly give birth to children from various (and sometimes unknown) fathers, who not only avoid paying child support, but who often do not even acknowledge their own children.
I resent having to work fulltime to support my own carefully-planned, responsible family while others sit back and live on my dime. It's fine if they have a disability, but too many simply are just lazy - or have "too many kids" that they have to stay home to care for. If the rest of us can work (father, mother or both) to take care of OUR families, so should anyone else who is physically and mentally capable of doing a paying job.
I am totally sick and tired of driving home 25 miles every weekday evening and seeing pairs and groups of little girls with their babies in strollers, trotting along the sidewalk in their tiny trashy outfits, smoking cigarettes and laughing.

reply from: yoda

Ah, so your reasons are purely economic then.
"Kill more babies so my taxes won't have to support them", right?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Is it just me, or does the fact that the child can not survive if removed from the womb prior to 21 weeks sound like a good reason not to remove it before 21 weeks rather than an excuse to do so? "It can't survive outside the womb at that age, therefore it's OK to remove it and let it die?" That just makes no sense to me...
When you state it that way, it really does sound like a silly idea O.o It's one I used to promote quite often. But I felt that the unborn hadn't earned a right to life by being able to sustain its own life.
But now I'm thinking about it in a different way. You wouldn't remove someone from life support machines just because they're incapable of living off of them. That's why they're on the machines in the first place!
The fetus is inside the woman for a reason, to grow and survive; it is supposed to be there whether it go there on accident or not. There is however, the issue of the woman's body as well and that's why pregnancy and abortion is such a complicated issue.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

The fact that it is born changes everything: it's no longer solely dependent on the woman's body for survival. Anyone can care for it, so it is considered physically independent from the woman. It is an independent, separate being.

reply from: churchmouse

vexing you say I cant handle the truth?
ok address this then...
If you are so sweet and kind and loving and NONVIOLENT
then how do you explain what you said to me.
'Take a rusty pipe and go injure yourself.'
ADDRESS THAT ONE.

reply from: churchmouse

Here here.......very good point, very good point. But then there are always sick people like this.........
Good point.........wonderful.
But you will never get an answer from this pro-abort group.
Oh bullhockey to your planet excuse and your statement about unwanted children.
There is no such thing as an unwanted child. Someone would always adopt a child, especially a newborn.
This was an argument that helped spread the pro-choice movement in the late 60's. However, since abortion's legalization in 1972, child abuse, child poverty, and other signs of child neglect have drastically increased (child abuse by 11 times).
and the population arguement...........
This argument has two major faults. While many claim that overpopulation is a problem, agricultural production continues to rise faster than population. While overpopulation will probably become a problem, we do not yet need to take such drastic measures such as abortion. The second point is that legalized abortion has shown itself to actually increase the overpopulation problem. After Roe v. Wade, unwanted birth rates have risen dramatically.
Sure there will be.....you watch what happens with doctors assisted suicide how the vulnerable of society will be attacked and disposed of. Talk to cracrat about that, he thinks the elderly should be killed today.
Why should they pay child support moon? They were not an issue before the child was born were they? You pro-choicers think the baby is entirely the womans dont you? The baby is a part of her.....and she can kill it if she wants even though the man might want it. Why should any man pay one dime according to the way you think?
Why should men today acknowledge anything, certainly the flesh and blood born from the women that deny them a part of their fetuses life FROM CONCEPTION.
Your position screws men.......kicks them to the curb. Then you come whinning later about how you need money. I would think the men of this country would be ballistic over this.
Abortion is the answer isnt it? they shouldl have all killed their children. Oh thats right......you like that word "terminate" dont you? LOL

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Oh bullhockey to your planet excuse and your statement about unwanted children.
There is no such thing as an unwanted child. Someone would always adopt a child, especially a newborn.
from: http://www.avert.org/aidsorphans.htm
">http://www.avert.org/aidsorphans.htm
"Worldwide, it is estimated that more than 15 million children under 18 have been orphaned as a result of AIDS. Around 11.6 million of these children live in sub-Saharan Africa.1 In countries badly affected by the epidemic such as Zambia and Botswana, it is estimated that 20 percent of children under 17 are orphans - most of whom have lost one or both parents to AIDS. Even with the expansion of antiretroviral treatment access, it is estimated that by 2015, the number of orphaned children will still be overwhelmingly high."
Right here in the US, there are thousands of children ready and waiting for adoption - over 800 in Texas alone.
This was an argument that helped spread the pro-choice movement in the late 60's. However, since abortion's legalization in 1972, child abuse, child poverty, and other signs of child neglect have drastically increased (child abuse by 11 times).
from http://www.childhelp.org/resources/learning-center/statistics:
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"Experts cannot agree on a single reason for this increase, but most attribute it to both a population increase and an increase in reporting. Other factors that are sometimes cited include changing a wider definition of child abuse, increased reporting requirements, states providing more accurate information, better recording systems, and changes in data collections.
There are nearly 3 million reports of child abuse made annually.
In 2003, there were 906,000 child abuse convictions.
The rate of child abuse is estimated to be 3 times greater than is reported.
Children ages 0-3 are the most likely to experience abuse. About 1 in 50 U.S. infants are victims of nonfatal child abuse or neglect in a year, according to the first national study of the problem in that age group done by the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention along with The Federal Administration for Children and Families. 1,500 children die every year from child abuse and neglect. That is just over 4 fatalities every day. 79% of the children killed are younger than 4."
and the population arguement...........
This argument has two major faults. While many claim that overpopulation is a problem, agricultural production continues to rise faster than population. While overpopulation will probably become a problem, we do not yet need to take such drastic measures such as abortion. The second point is that legalized abortion has shown itself to actually increase the overpopulation problem. After Roe v. Wade, unwanted birth rates have risen dramatically.
Why should they pay child support moon? They were not an issue before the child was born were they? You pro-choicers think the baby is entirely the womans dont you? The baby is a part of her.....and she can kill it if she wants even though the man might want it. Why should any man pay one dime according to the way you think?
Because they DON'T pay support, either the woman gets an abortion or we, the taxpayers, end up footing the bills.
Why should men today acknowledge anything, certainly the flesh and blood born from the women that deny them a part of their fetuses life FROM CONCEPTION.
Please explain.
Your position screws men.......kicks them to the curb. Then you come whinning later about how you need money. I would think the men of this country would be ballistic over this.
Nope, it's the men who kick their kids to the curb. You would think people would be outraged, but noooooooooooo, it's always the preborn babies and womb children who get all the sympathy. Nobody give a s*it after they're born.
Abortion is the answer isnt it? they shouldl have all killed their children. Oh thats right......you like that word "terminate" dont you? LOL
No, they should have waited until they were older and preferably married to screw around and make babies.
Got any more great non-facts for us?

reply from: Jameberlin

Is it just me, or does the fact that the child can not survive if removed from the womb prior to 21 weeks sound like a good reason not to remove it before 21 weeks rather than an excuse to do so? "It can't survive outside the womb at that age, therefore it's OK to remove it and let it die?" That just makes no sense to me...
When you state it that way, it really does sound like a silly idea O.o It's one I used to promote quite often. But I felt that the unborn hadn't earned a right to life by being able to sustain its own life.
But now I'm thinking about it in a different way. You wouldn't remove someone from life support machines just because they're incapable of living off of them. That's why they're on the machines in the first place!
The fetus is inside the woman for a reason, to grow and survive; it is supposed to be there whether it go there on accident or not. There is however, the issue of the woman's body as well and that's why pregnancy and abortion is such a complicated issue.
The woman's body is just natural life support for the fetus. If we had the capability to remove a fetus from it's natural mother and put it in an artificial womb, like we can with chickens eggs, it would no longer be dependent upon it's mother for life support. I don't consider people on medical life support to be physically part of those machines, and so i don't consider a child in utero to be physically a part of it's mother. She is supporting it's life, yes... but it is in no way one in being with the mother. It lives in a separate environment protected from the mother's own body and blood. Babies have their own blood supplies, their own DNA, they are as separate from their mother as a man on life support is from his feeding tube and his respirator. These babies may not be able to survive without their life support, but it does not indicate that they are not separate beings. THe definition of what it means to be alive includes: the ability to grow and adapt to one's environment... Fetus' do this completely independent of their mothers, in other words: a fetus grows, adapts and develops, while it's mother continues to grow at a different rate... it is living independently on life support.
It's my opinion that pregnancy isn't such a big deal in regards to abortion, parenting is. It is much harder to be a parent than it is to be pregnant, even for women who have health issues during pregnancy, all they really need to do is take good care of themselves. Once the child is born though, it's a different story...
Abortion isn't meant to prevent pregnancy, it's meant to prevent birth of a child. It is the "Plan C" of birth control. It is a means for people who feel they're not ready to face the prospect of parenthood to legally end the life of an independent human being in order to avoid parenthood for whatever reason. I might add that removing a womans "right" to take the life of her unborn, or a mans "right" to coerce or force his girlfriend/wife/victim to abort does not mean forcing these people to become parents... It just means we don't support their "right" to choose to kill a child in order to avoid the prospect entirely.

reply from: Skippy

It is obviously a pro-life website. Perhaps the confusion on the part of the pro-choice in thinking they are welcome here stems from the blurb on the site's main page.
However, the site owner has clarified on the board that pro-choicers are not exactly welcome, but merely tolerated as a tool for pro-lifers to "sharpen their debate skills." You can judge for yourself how well that's going.
Personally, I signed up because someone I knew from a political debate board was really taking a beating here, and she asked me and a few other people to help her out. None of them post here anymore, but I can't tear myself away from the train-wrecky goodness of a bunch of pro-lifers attacking each other.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Child molestation involves a non-consenting child with an adult.
Rape involves a non-consenting adult or child.
Spousal abuse involves a non-consenting adult.
Killing of a fetus against the wishes of the mother is murder.
Abortion is a woman's right.
And actually, none of the above are your business unless they directly affect you (your child is molested, you are raped, your husband beats you or someone attacks you with the intent of killing your unborn child.) The law is set up to deal with these situations and you are responsible for REPORTING any violation of the law.

reply from: cracrat

My God, you actually took my statement at face value. I guess what they say about dumb Yanks and sarcasm is actually true.

reply from: Jameberlin

My God, you actually took my statement at face value. I guess what they say about dumb Yanks and sarcasm is actually true.
pffffffffffffft.
A lot of people say a lot of stupid things, i don't think this is a phenomena reserved especially for us "yanks".

reply from: churchmouse

You advocate woman that kill their babies for whatever reason because it helps out the world in the long run. Sick reason if you ask me.
Moon said,
So lets encourage woman to kill so that we dont foot the bill right?
ARe you kidding me?
You are a woman that just got pregnant. You dont want the baby, the FATHER (lets not forget him-you know the one that implanted the sperm inside your body) wants the baby.
Now does he have a choice Moon? No You hold ALL THE CARDS.
You can have the baby even if he wants no part of it.......and force him to pay for its support. Or you can abort without his concent and he cant do a damn thing to stop you.
He is screwed either way.......all because the baby that is NOT part of you jsut happens to be inside you.
It is sad that society looks at this issue with no consideration for the FATHER.
Women have the power they can kick men to the curb while killing their unborn child.
Oh I have to admit, you're good today.
And some proclaim to be pro-life and clearly are not.
You need to keep the enemy close. And lets face eit the enemy are the people that feel that the unborn do not deserve life. They can change however because I am proof of that. I was the worst enemy. I still sin, but let me tell ya......it was a habit I did not try to break back then. Amazing what the Holy Spirit will do in your life.

reply from: cracrat

It's a fairly decent reason, only it is beyond proof. There is no way of knowing if killing this or that person will actually help the world. Without that knowledge, the killing can not be justified and so it it is a false justification for the act.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Except for the umbilical cord and the placenta, which has a habit of eating into any organ other than the uterus. I agree with everything else.
Well unfortunately for us, all pro-choicers seem to harp on is how horrible pregnancy is and how it turns every single woman into a crippled, mentally handicapped bloated cow. Personally I think pregnant women look lovely. Then again I've never been pregnant. I do know it can have life-long effects, but those are rare. Abortion is guaranteed to kill.
Not every woman is meant to be a parent, that's why there is adoption.
No, that's what birth control is for. Abortion for some women is meant to STOP a pregnancy and in the process, it prevents birth. For other women, it is done solely to prevent birth.
Heh, yeah really.
But what I don't understand is why they can't just give it up for adoption if they don't want to parent. Kill it, or give it life. Why is this a hard decision? Why is it a decision at all?
Of course.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Some women cannot, or do not want to, go through the physical and mental rigors of pregnancy and childbirth - and giving up a child for adoption has its own set of potential problems, such as Post-Adoption Stress Syndrome.
The woman's health and well-being are paramount, especially if she already has children, who are way more important than a being so small and undeveloped that it resides within her body.

reply from: Jameberlin

For the women who cannot or do not wish to become pregnant, they should do all within their power to avoid it. Some women are simply not responsible enough to do this (i know many).
I didn't want to go through th rigors of pregnancy or childbirth and it was the most emotionally painful period in my life... I never once thought that it was my child's fault though, only that MY life would be EASIER if i had gotten rid of him.
There is post-adoption stress syndrome, as there is post-abortion stress syndrome, as there is post-partum depression, all forms of post-traumatic stress disorder etc. PTSD can be caused by ANY traumatic experience in a person's life and is not limited to adoption, abortion, or birth.
I wish people didn't focus on money and the pain associated with giving a child up for adoption... I wish people were able to educate girls on ALL the risks involved in any choice. I wish girls who expressed a wish to see babies on the ultrasound machines in clinics were able to, i wish people knew all the risks involved in any choice... but there are some people bent on lies and propaganda to further their campaign, and i'm not just talking about "choicers" here.
Heres how i see it...
If you don't want to get pregnant, you should be educated on safe sex practices, you should be taught how to respect and love yourself and how to avoid becoming a slave to sex. SEX IS NOT ALWAYS GOOD AND LIBERATING.
If you belong to a religion that requires you abstain prior to marriage or avoid the use of birth control, you should be educated on how to best do this.. Love yourself, respect yourself, YOU are the most important person regarding this matter and YOU decide when it's okay.
SEX MAKES BABIES. The primary purpose of sex is TO MAKE BABIES. If you wish to use sex and avoid this, you MUST educate yourself on how to do so.
Abortion can lead to severe depression, infertility, subsequent abortions, RARELY maternal death, future problems with pregnancy etc.
Carrying to term can lead to severe depression, infertility (rare), subsequent pregnancies, RARELY maternal and fetal death, future problems with pregnancy (usually genetic) etc.
So far, IMO, the only real benefit of the 93% of abortions performed for no "good" reason have over childbirth is financial. It's much cheaper (sometimes free) to kill a child than to raise one, or even carry one to term.

reply from: churchmouse

No its ok.......you prove that what you do is run when the going get tough and you cant answer.
LOL
You pretend to be this.......sweet person.........as i said.....I can see through you and you have violent tendancies, you can see it.
Now run along vexing so you dont have to answer. LOL
Then they shouldnt take the chance that through sex they could get pregnant.
LOL Post adoption stress?????????????????????????????????????????????
What about the dismembered child?
Your whole reasoning about this is warped.
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reply from: LiberalChiRo

You don't believe in post-partum depression either do you? I mean, how could a woman EVER be depressed after bringing a new life into the world!?

reply from: Hosea

And some proclaim to be pro-life and clearly are not.
Hi Church mouse,
I am very pro-life! I am open to hearing people's opinions. How can you correct a thought process and find what they do not understand unless you listen first. I believe in a persons right to state their opinion. I don't believe ina person's right to choose abortion. That is not a right. What about that makes me pro-choice? The only way to eduacate those to the truth us to find out what they don't know and share the truth witht them.
Hosea 4:6 My people will suffer for lack of knowledge.

reply from: JasonFontaine

I originally joined this forum to see what kind of response would be received by my pro-life picture. As a "wanna-be" writer - I thought it was the perfect way to "advertise" my beliefs. The Pro-Life movement would embrace this concept and I'd get RICH!
So - most of the proceeds go to MD Anderson - I won't ever get rich - but I would be able to repay some debt.....capitalism at work!
I learned quickly not to spam. That's what it boils down to - even if you try not doing it. So, I met some nice, thought provoking people. I've discussed the topic and it's been fun. Yodavader has been the greatest. As have many on this forum. The people here are what my dad calls, "true blue"....and it's hard to find this on the net.
As for the picture. When BOTH my mom and dad had cancer and we were at MD Anderson - I wrote inspirational stories with crazy "clip art" pictures to make them smile. Positive attitude goes a long way in the fight with cancer. So, I met a little girl who really liked the "King" picture and story. Her parents were the ones who brought abortion to my attention. I've always been Pro-Life - but the story, admittedly, was never intended for this originally. Anyway - her parents were my biggest advocates - and I started selling all my pictures.
One thing led to another and I posted them online - maybe someone else would get a smile.
However, the minute you even mention the pictures - it's spam. I agree. So, now I just debate and have fun with everyone. If they deem me worthy to check out my site - they will. If not -- it's all good too. I will use my real name, have an amateur site that's fun for me with positivity - and just spout my beliefs and listen.
So, I'm here representing life and my belief, "The Egg's not dead!" Simply have fun and enjoy the company and discussion. It serves you better in the end!
Take care and good luck!

reply from: Hosea

Hi Jason,
What writing have you done? What picture are you talking about?
Hosea

reply from: JasonFontaine

The writing is at the website in my signature....
Thanks for any interest....and be good!
Jason

reply from: yoda

The fact that it is born changes nothing at all.
It was a living human being before birth, and if it is born alive it will still be a living human being, after birth.
Being born is a change in location, and method of getting food and oxygen, mainly.

reply from: yoda

Abortion involves the killing of a non-consenting child by an adult or a child.
And that SHOULD be everyone's business...... everyone with a heart, that is.

reply from: yoda

Oh my, more euphemisms!! "Way more important"????????
And based on SIZE alone?
Wow, us big fat people must be WAY MORE IMPORTANT than you skinny little people, right?
So, if I'm translating your proabort euphemisms correctly, being "way more important" than someone else means it's okay for me to kill them, right?
So then it must be okay for big fat people to kill little skinny people, right?

reply from: Logincredentialsinvalid

Child molestation involves a non-consenting child with an adult.
Rape involves a non-consenting adult or child.
Spousal abuse involves a non-consenting adult.
Killing of a fetus against the wishes of the mother is murder.
Abortion is a woman's right.
And actually, none of the above are your business unless they directly affect you (your child is molested, you are raped, your husband beats you or someone attacks you with the intent of killing your unborn child.) The law is set up to deal with these situations and you are responsible for REPORTING any violation of the law.
Right...I'm sure if you were being raped, or somebody was molesting your child, you would be telling me, "don't you dare try to stop them, this is "none of your business!" Anyway, are you really saying "none of my business" just means I can't try to physically interfere? I'm not trying to physically stop anyone from aborting, I'm just trying to convince them not to, and advocating laws against doing so. Are you saying I can't tell people it's wrong to commit rape or molest children and participate in the legislative process regarding these issues since they are "none of my business?"

reply from: Logincredentialsinvalid

Abortion is the killing of a human being.
EDIT:
A "non-consenting" human being...

reply from: nancyu

I joined this forum because it is the most pro life biased forum I could find. It's not quite as biased as I would like it to be, though. Totally pro life with no exceptions is where I want to be, where I will feel most at home. I hope we'll get there soon.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I prefer sites that are not biased at all, the fact that you SEEK such places just reaffirms my dislike of you. You're a separatist, an isolationist.

reply from: yoda

If you ever find one like that, let us know. I don't believe they exist.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

There are some out there, such as ones that are purely describing fetal stages/deformities and conditions women can encounter during pregnancy. Kind of like the Grey's Anatomy of the internet. Totally unbiased.

reply from: yoda

But no real debate there, right?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I don't understand what you're commenting on.

reply from: yoda

The "unbiased" sites you mention. Do they have active debate forums?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Of course not; they have nothing to debate. They present cold hard facts. "This is a photo of a dead fetus." "This is a photo of someone's severed leg." There's no debate there.

reply from: faithman

SSSSSOOOOO a slutty prime time soap opera is unbiased? How so?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

SSSSSOOOOO a slutty prime time soap opera is unbiased? How so?
Not a soap opera you idiot. The original Grey's Anatomy is a BOOK on human anatomy. It is a scientific text. You are a moron.
http://www.bartleby.com/107/

The fact that you have never heard of the real Grey's Anatomy book has me personally horrified.

reply from: yoda

My, what a fine example of courtesy and decorum.......... NOT......

reply from: LiberalChiRo

My, what a fine example of courtesy and decorum.......... NOT......
I tend to loose my temper when confronted with totally moronic behavior.

reply from: yoda

And that's an "excuse"?

reply from: faithman

My, what a fine example of courtesy and decorum.......... NOT......
I tend to loose my temper when confronted with totally moronic behavior.
then how do you stand yourself? You made no such distiction in your post. It is a reasonable assumption. Particularly comming from a false "pro-lifer" who gengenerally driven by emotion post after post. I think you fit the discription of being an idiotic moron better than just about any body.

reply from: churchmouse

Honey...
No such medical book that you speak of. Now there is a Gray's Anatomy.
Get your facts straight my dear.

reply from: jujujellybean

My, what a fine example of courtesy and decorum.......... NOT......
and yet when one of the people in your gang a.k.a. fman calls a woman a scanc or a whore or a slut you just sit back and don't bother to reprimand. yet when it is someone who doesn't fully agree with you, you take up your time typing out a clear response. Next time fman does that, why don't you do the same?

reply from: galen

_____________________________________
even sites that are strictly fact based are biased as to who runs the site. Humans are never unbiased and AI is not good enough to start creating its own websites...

reply from: Hosea

There are moments or days that some mothers do not want to endure the physical and emotional stress of raising a child who has already been born. She cannot legally kill her child. She can place the child in foster care or place the child in an adoptive home. That is what a pregnant woman should be allowed to do. She does not have the right to a dead child whether the child is born or not.
An woman placing a child in an adoptive home may have to wait for aperiod of time to do so. She can't just kill her child because she doesn't want the physical and emotional stress and she doesn't want to wait.

reply from: 4given

Right Hosea. In fact we had a busy 3.5 year old placed with us- at his mother's choice. (granted it would have been better she didn't injure him prior to making he call) DCYF provides temporary placement as well as permanent if granted. I am not sure of the points you were drawn to in the thread.. but as a foster parent for several years, there are certain facts, laws... etc. overlooked and unrealized by those that use potential for placement as another justification to kill their child.
How does your area have an abundance of newborns entering foster care? How do you know of the need for placement in your area? Have you taken any classes? Curious.

reply from: faithman

My, what a fine example of courtesy and decorum.......... NOT......
and yet when one of the people in your gang a.k.a. fman calls a woman a scanc or a whore or a slut you just sit back and don't bother to reprimand. yet when it is someone who doesn't fully agree with you, you take up your time typing out a clear response. Next time fman does that, why don't you do the same?
What you seem to be missing is the fact that the onews in question, gripe about the things they engage in. You don't here me whine when they falsly call me a hater, or the meriad of other names. What church was pointing out, was if it ain't ok in your book for others to do something, then it ain't ok for you to do it. But your of the crowd who would rather defend the borthead scum bag scancs, than the womb children.

reply from: jujujellybean

I am waiting for a response from YODA. And fman, I DO NOT DEFEND THE PRO ABORTIONISTS VIEWS which you are implying by saying that. I disagree with everything they believe in. It's quite dumb and ignorant for you to say so. But I have an issue with you calling a PERSON who once was also a fetus 'borthead scum bag scancs' because they are not pro life. As Yoda would say, 'what a show of manners and decorum.....NOT.....' but he is too scared to call someone in his group out on it.

reply from: Hosea

I know parents who foster new borns and sometimes need to take two at a time. I also know a social worker who told me a couple years ago how hard it is to get foster parents for newborns. I just made plans to go to a foster parent orientation in three weeks.

reply from: Agape

I know parents who foster new borns and sometimes need to take two at a time. I also know a social worker who told me a couple years ago how hard it is to get foster parents for newborns. I just made plans to go to a foster parent orientation in three weeks.
Wonderful! You have to let us know how this goes!

reply from: nancyu

Is it just me, or does the fact that the child can not survive if removed from the womb prior to 21 weeks sound like a good reason not to remove it before 21 weeks rather than an excuse to do so? "It can't survive outside the womb at that age, therefore it's OK to remove it and let it die?" That just makes no sense to me...
When you state it that way, it really does sound like a silly idea O.o It's one I used to promote quite often. But I felt that the unborn hadn't earned a right to life by being able to sustain its own life.
But now I'm thinking about it in a different way. You wouldn't remove someone from life support machines just because they're incapable of living off of them. That's why they're on the machines in the first place!
The fetus is inside the woman for a reason, to grow and survive; it is supposed to be there whether it go there on accident or not. There is however, the issue of the woman's body as well and that's why pregnancy and abortion is such a complicated issue.
It really isn't so complicated as you pro aborts like to make it. Pregnancy is one of those "facts of life." A woman gets pregnant, she has a child. Where the idea came from, that a woman has the "right" to kill that child I have no idea. There is no such right.

reply from: nancyu

Please! If it were made legal to kill the born indiscriminately, people would be "choosing" to do so for the same trivial reasons they currently give for killing the unborn. The only valid reason to terminate a pregnancy is to preserve life. Women kill their offspring for lots of questionable reasons that obviously do not constitute any real "necessity."
That is not a valid reason either. You don't intentionally kill one person to save the life of the other. You always must try to save both lives.

reply from: nancyu

It is obviously a pro-life website. Perhaps the confusion on the part of the pro-choice in thinking they are welcome here stems from the blurb on the site's main page.
However, the site owner has clarified on the board that pro-choicers are not exactly welcome, but merely tolerated as a tool for pro-lifers to "sharpen their debate skills." You can judge for yourself how well that's going.
Personally, I signed up because someone I knew from a political debate board was really taking a beating here, and she asked me and a few other people to help her out. None of them post here anymore, but I can't tear myself away from the train-wrecky goodness of a bunch of pro-lifers attacking each other.
There are no pro lifers attacking each other.

reply from: nancyu

Unbiased is fine, but when it comes to pro life/pro abortion I would have no problem if life were completely biased towards pro life. Yes I would love to be completely separate and isolated from a world with abortion. If that makes you dislike me then what can I say? My heart is broken. My life will never be the same.

reply from: yoda

Because FMan has at least a half dozen critics on this forum, like you, who jump down his throat at every opportunity, knowing full well that it won't do a single bit of good.
Liberal, on the other hand, seems to get a free pass to slash and burn all who disagree with her from you and "your gang".

reply from: yoda

You are a smart mouthed little kid, aren't you? You think I come here on your schedule? As you told someone recently, "STUFF A SOCK IN IT"!!

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Unbiased is fine, but when it comes to pro life/pro abortion I would have no problem if life were completely biased towards pro life. Yes I would love to be completely separate and isolated from a world with abortion. If that makes you dislike me then what can I say? My heart is broken. My life will never be the same.
It bothers me because I believe you could do so much more out here in the real world! I don't care what someone believes, but if they are truly interested in it, then don't run away and hide and hang out with other people who will agree and pat you on the shoulder... A true activist stays where the going is tough!
I'm very passionate about that, about not abandoning your country because you dislike its practices, or similar things.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

It is obviously a pro-life website. Perhaps the confusion on the part of the pro-choice in thinking they are welcome here stems from the blurb on the site's main page.
However, the site owner has clarified on the board that pro-choicers are not exactly welcome, but merely tolerated as a tool for pro-lifers to "sharpen their debate skills." You can judge for yourself how well that's going.
Personally, I signed up because someone I knew from a political debate board was really taking a beating here, and she asked me and a few other people to help her out. None of them post here anymore, but I can't tear myself away from the train-wrecky goodness of a bunch of pro-lifers attacking each other.
There are no pro lifers attacking each other.
People on here attack me.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

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even sites that are strictly fact based are biased as to who runs the site. Humans are never unbiased and AI is not good enough to start creating its own websites...
They are worlds better than here.

reply from: faithman

It is obviously a pro-life website. Perhaps the confusion on the part of the pro-choice in thinking they are welcome here stems from the blurb on the site's main page.
However, the site owner has clarified on the board that pro-choicers are not exactly welcome, but merely tolerated as a tool for pro-lifers to "sharpen their debate skills." You can judge for yourself how well that's going.
Personally, I signed up because someone I knew from a political debate board was really taking a beating here, and she asked me and a few other people to help her out. None of them post here anymore, but I can't tear myself away from the train-wrecky goodness of a bunch of pro-lifers attacking each other.
There are no pro lifers attacking each other.
People on here attack me.
But you are not pro-life.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Honey...
No such medical book that you speak of. Now there is a Gray's Anatomy.
Get your facts straight my dear.
Grey, Gray... are you SERIOUSLY going to fight over the spelling of the word "Grey"?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

You bet your ass it is.

reply from: yoda

You bet your ass it is.
TERRIFIC!! FMan loses his temper all the time, when confronted with those he considers enemies of unborn babies all the time, so now he has an excuse.
THANKS!!

reply from: churchmouse

Oh Pleaze. Nancy is doing things that are important. I am sure......from reading nancys posts here that she stays when the going get tough.
She reads your pro-abortion stuff doesnt she?
Do you know what its like Liberal to listen, to read what the pro-aborts say about the unborn child? That you guys believe killing, dismembering an innocent human being is ok? I'll tell ya it gets hard to stomach sometimes. Everybody needs a rest once in a while.
Your position and others like yours is incredibly inhumane.
A true activist keeps the enemy close. That why we engage in conversation with you. You say you are attacked here........so what? You are on a pro-life website. If you dont want to hear people who believe the unborn is the victim in all this......then leave and go hang out with pro-aborts.
I agree with nancy......how wonderful to live in a society that values life and believes that there is a right and a wrong.
You wanted to come off with authority and wisdom......I made my point. You called someone else an idiot and I pointed out that you were wrong. When you post a scientific text......I would think you would know the right spelling of it. You did not.
If I were you I would watch a little more closely before calling someone else an idiot and a moron when you just made a mistake, even a little one yourself. LOL

reply from: yoda

Now, now, Liberal says she has "self control issues", so we must give her a pass no matter how many names she calls us, right?

reply from: Agape

You are a smart mouthed little kid, aren't you? You think I come here on your schedule? As you told someone recently, "STUFF A SOCK IN IT"!!
Looks like someone hit a nerve. I would start quaking in my boots, jujujellybean! Ha ha ha!

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Now, now, Liberal says she has "self control issues", so we must give her a pass no matter how many names she calls us, right?
You get angry too Yoda, I'm not saying I have "self control issues", those are your words. I said I have a short temper when it comes to morons. I'm sure you have a short temper in certain situations as well.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

You bet your ass it is.
TERRIFIC!! FMan loses his temper all the time, when confronted with those he considers enemies of unborn babies all the time, so now he has an excuse.
THANKS!!
I am so confused... what the hell are you talking about? Getting angry on occasion is fine, yes, if there is reasonable cause. Being angry all of the time means you have anger management issues (since we're name-calling now too).

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Stuff a sock in it!!
See? You're frustrated.

reply from: churchmouse

I have a short fuse when it come to people that condone abortion. Its hard to remain calm in the face of a person that thinks this way. It takes practice.
We pray before an event where we talk to people.

reply from: yoda

Which is exactly the same thing as "self control issues", true?
Yes, you do...... I'm glad you admit that.... now you know how FMan feels about your posts.
No, that was sarcasm, doe-doe...... that's a previously used phrase in this thread.

reply from: yoda

So, both you and vexing must have anger management issues, right?

reply from: yoda

See? You're frustrated.
Nah, I'm just quoting what one prolifer told another one recently.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

So, both you and vexing must have anger management issues, right?
I am not angry all the time. Am I frequently frustrated with YOU? Yes.

reply from: yoda

Don't be so modest...... you're about the angriest poster we've had here in a long time, with the possible exception of vexing.

reply from: yoda

So you're satisfied with second place?

reply from: yoda

Well, it got you to reveal how antagonistic you are towards "babies", didn't it?

reply from: yoda

No, it's right there in black and white for all to see.......
"baaayybbbiiieeesssss...."

reply from: yoda

Then it's a very poor imitation, since neither of us every spells it that way...
Try again?

reply from: yoda

These arguments are one way to save babies..... because you proabort baby killers try to use them to enable baby killing every day.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

He doesn't believe we're imitating him. He seems to think we hate babies because that happens to be the word we exaggerate.


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