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by: BossMomma

Hi folks, my name is Becca, I recognize a few of you from the AOL abortion debate such as SpinWiddy. I'm pro-life for me, pro-choice for the rest of the world. Women's reproductive choices should be their's alone. (jmo) I have 2 kids, am pregnant with #3 and, make my living as a Correctional officer with TDCJ. I'm a pet lover with 2 dogs, 2 cats and, 4 fish who just had babies. I look forward to a civilized dialogue with all of you but will warn that trolls will be ignored.

reply from: Faramir

Welcome to the forum.
Good for you that you are prolife for yourself, but not so good for the millions that are not privilged to be your children and who you won't help.

reply from: BossMomma

Originally posted by: BossMomma
Hi folks, my name is Becca, I recognize a few of you from the AOL abortion debate such as SpinWiddy. I'm pro-life for me, pro-choice for the rest of the world. Women's reproductive choices should be their's alone. (jmo) I have 2 kids, am pregnant with #3 and, make my living as a Correctional officer with TDCJ. I'm a pet lover with 2 dogs, 2 cats and, 4 fish who just had babies. I look forward to a civilized dialogue with all of you but will warn that trolls will be ignored.
Welcome to the forum.
Good for you that you are prolife for yourself, but not so good for the millions that are not privilged to be your children and who you won't help.
With all due respect, I keep killers, child molesters, thieves and, gangsters off the streets. I protect citizens all over Texas. The unwanted pregnancies of the world are simply beyond my control.

reply from: Agape

Welcome here. I hope you learn alot and contribute alot of learning.

reply from: jujujellybean

You mean, Bossmomma, the unwanted BABIES are beyond your control? By saying that, you give up, which is the last thing the babies need.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Hi, Becca, and welcome. I share your opinion of being pro-choice for other people. It really is not my business what women do with their pregnancies, because THEY are the ones who are impacted by them. You may encounter hositility here, but not from me.

reply from: BossMomma

You mean, Bossmomma, the unwanted BABIES are beyond your control? By saying that, you give up, which is the last thing the babies need.
Yes, the unwanted babies are beyond my control. If it were in my control I would see that only wanted babies were concieved, however I am not God. I have no say over the joining of sperm and egg in the body of another woman. I am 15 weeks pregnant and the little one in my womb is my beloved baby. He or she has a brain, all major systems, all 10 little fingers and toes. I'm fully ready to birth and lovingly raise my baby once born and give him or her the best while still in my body. That is all that can be asked or demanded of me. I cannot tell the next pregnant woman she cannot smoke, drink, abuse drugs or, abort for fear of the life of her unborn baby. Civil rights has thankfully taken that out of my hands. I watch the news all the time and see horrific stories of born babies who have rights being murdered, starved, neglected, tortured with a savagery I would expect in the lowest realms of hell. Somehow abortion seems the lesser of two evils by far. Perhaps if you cared more about quality of life than quantity you might quit brow beating me for my views and hold a more reasonable dialogue.

reply from: churchmouse

BossMamma welcome. We need another pro-choicer here to talk to and to try to convince that all life is worth trying to save.
Civilized yes, but brutally honest as well. Many here have passion for this topic, others could care less and hide behind lables.
I pro-choice comment and excuse.
If you are pro-choice abortion for the world you are not pro-life in any sense of the word that is my opinion. You condone the slaughter of innocent human beings. You know like the one you are carrying.
THE LESSOR OF THE TWO EVILS ?????????????????
Quality of life? You take the quality of life away, the right of an innocent humans right to life away when you are pro-choice.
You are making a judgement call all based on YOUR OPINION OF THEIR CHANCE AT HAPPINESS.
You are a pro-abort.

reply from: Jameberlin

Welcome, i hope you're able to learn some things and contribute some too. Congratulations on your newest baby!

reply from: BossMomma

Civilized yes, but brutally honest as well. Many here have passion for this topic, others could care less and hide behind lables.
I pro-choice comment and excuse.
If you are pro-choice abortion for the world you are not pro-life in any sense of the word that is my opinion. You condone the slaughter of innocent human beings. You know like the one you are carrying.
THE LESSOR OF THE TWO EVILS ?????????????????
Quality of life? You take the quality of life away, the right of an innocent humans right to life away when you are pro-choice.
You are making a judgement call all based on YOUR OPINION OF THEIR CHANCE AT HAPPINESS.
You are a pro-abort.
Is that why I have 2 kids and one on the way? I've never had an abortion, I've had natural miscarriages only. If I were a pro-abort I would have aborted all my pregnancies. You are an uneducated judgemental fundamentalist and it's people like you that turned me from christianity. You don't care anymore once the fetus has been born. You are a pro-FETAL-lifer.

reply from: yoda

Welcome to the forum. What names have you posted under?
I'm sorry to tell you, but there is no such political position as you describe. According to dictionaries, being prolife means that you support the imposition of criminal penalties for elective abortion. It does not mean you would protect your own children from abortion, but abandon all others.

reply from: yoda

Just as you probably don't think it's your business how many newborn babies are killed by their parents, because THEY are the ones who are impacted by them, right?

reply from: yoda

Sorry, your ignorance is showing. "Proabort" is simply a shortening of the term "proabortion":
pro-a·bor·tion adjective - favoring legal access to abortion: in favor of open legal access to voluntary abortion http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861736813
pro-abortion SYLLABICATION: pro-a·bor·tion PRONUNCIATION: pr-bôrshn ADJECTIVE: Favoring or supporting legalized abortion. http://www.bartleby.com/61/27/P0572700.html

Main Entry: pro·abor·tion Pronunciation: (')prO-&-'bor-sh&n Function: adjective : favoring the legalization of abortion -pro·abor·tion·ist /-sh(&-)n&st/ noun http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pro-abortion

reply from: BossMomma

Originally posted by: BossMomma
Hi folks, my name is Becca, I recognize a few of you from the AOL abortion debate such as SpinWiddy. I'm pro-life for me, pro-choice for the rest of the world. .
Welcome to the forum. What names have you posted under?
I'm sorry to tell you, but there is no such political position as you describe. According to dictionaries, being prolife means that you support the imposition of criminal penalties for elective abortion. It does not mean you would protect your own children from abortion, but abandon all others.
Maybe I'm a free thinker and don't restrict my oppinions to political lables. I am who I am and I live by what I believe, not what politics allow.

reply from: Agape

Hello again, BossMomma, I encourage you to use the quote function to help others understand your posts.
You are pregnant; does that affect your feelings about abortion?

reply from: cracrat

What a remarkably stupid statement. There clearly is such a position because it is the one she holds.

reply from: MC3

The hideous immorality and intellectual dishonesty of people like BossMomma is a perfect illustration of why the law must protect the lives of the unborn. To the pro-lifers on this forum, I urge you to use the droolings of people like this as an encouragement to redouble your efforts. You and I have a responsibility to see that the innocent are protected from these kinds of degenerates.

reply from: Agape

Welcome to the forum. What names have you posted under?
I'm sorry to tell you, but there is no such political position as you describe. According to dictionaries, being prolife means that you support the imposition of criminal penalties for elective abortion. It does not mean you would protect your own children from abortion, but abandon all others.
This post made me consider something I hadn't really thought extensively about before. I'm new so coddle me, please.
Let's talk about these criminal penalties. I am sure it's been talked to death about, but what kind of penalties do posters think there should be in the works?

reply from: churchmouse

momma said, "Is that why I have 2 kids and one on the way? I've never had an abortion, I've had natural miscarriages only. If I were a pro-abort I would have aborted all my pregnancies. You are an uneducated judgemental fundamentalist and it's people like you that turned me from christianity. You don't care anymore once the fetus has been born. You are a pro-FETAL-lifer."

If abortion were on the ballot in your state this coming November......and you could pull one lever.......
lever one Against abortion with the exception of the mothers life.
lever two Pro-choice on demand
Which would you choose? If you choose lever two........you condone others murdering their children. Your vote is not for the unborn child in the womb.
Which lever is pro-life for every unborn child?
You bash Christianity and Christians. You are wiccan. So show me the proofs of your faith. Why do you believe? Sources to prove your faith is right are....?
You tell me I cant judge you.......when in one of your first posts here......you judge Christianity and those that love Christ. You did it for a reason. What? You have an agenda and you know it. If you left Christianity it was your decision and it involved your heart and only yours. Dont blame anyone for decisions that you made.
You have the illusion that being personally opposed to abortion while believing others should be free to choose it is some kind of compromise between the pro-abortion and pro-life positions. You are wrong, its not.
Pro-choice people vote the same as pro-abortion people and they both oppose legal protection for the innocent unborn. Both are willing for children to die by abortion and must take responsibility for the killing of those babies even if they do not participate directly.
As Randy Alcorn says, to the baby who dies it makes no difference whether those who refuse to protect her were pro-abortion or merely pro-choice.
You are pro-choice not pro-life.
If abortion doesn't kill children, why would someone be opposed to it? If it does kill children, why would someone defend another's right to do it? Why do you defend others slaughtering the unborn.
Why are you opposed to being called pro-abortion? Is there something wrong with abortion Momma?
So true.

Pleazzze,
Have you ever seen an abortion? Do you know what they do in an abortion? Do you have any idea how violent an abortion is especially in late term abortions?
Look up an abortionist by the name of Tiller and then tell us if your pro-choice, that what he does and all other abortionists do is not as bad as any murder on earth.
You are 100% right.

reply from: KaylieBee

Church mouse, you really think her belief is less valid than yours?

reply from: Jameberlin

If a man belongs to NAMBLA (National Association for Man Boy Love), and believes that it doesn't harm anyone if he has sex with a 13 year old boy, because the boy likes it... but you thought this was child molestation regardless, would you think his beliefs were less valid than yours?
What about Peter Singer who advocates sexual relationships with animals as long as "no cruelty is involved" and advocates killing disabled babies up to 28 days after being born, but you think both are cruel and one is murder, would you consider his beliefs less valid than yours?
I believe Churchmouse is not referring to BossMamma's religion, but her stance that abortion is not wrong in the hands of another woman... See, Churchmouse sees abortion as murder, so she is obviously inclined to think that argument(belief) is not valid.
That's just my take on it though, i may be wrong.

reply from: nancyu

Neither.
That's correct, and that is exactly who I am voting for. (for president)

reply from: KaylieBee

she's talking about religion.

reply from: Jameberlin

hmm, then i was wrong. I don't find there to be any definitive PROOF of any religion, it offends me when people say that they can PROVE God does or doesn't exist. The whole point of faith is that you BELIEVE without the PROOF. Otherwise it would be FACT and faith would be pointless.
Mamma did say in another thread that there are no FACTS supporting the belief in God or Christianity, maybe Churchmouse read that and wanted to know what facts Mamma thought supported her own religion?

reply from: galen

All the murders, thefts, child molestations, etc. are also "out of your control to the same extent. We can only make laws forbidding the harming of others, but can only act after these crimes are committed. In my view, your position on abortion is inconsistent. You seem to be implying it is wrong, but that everyone has a right to act on their own morality (or lack thereof), yet do not apply that same logic to other cases in which people harm others...
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i agree with this... welcome to the forum BossMama......

reply from: churchmouse

kaylie of course I do. I believe Christ is the answer. And I base it on historical evidence and the things I have seen in my life.
All religions cant be right.
In a nutshell.......
Christ has been the most dominant influence on world history of anyone. You can't deny this, because the evidence is overwhelming. The reliability of scriptures, the evidence of the resurrection and just the common experiences of those worldwide whose lives have been radically changed all speak to the powerful differences between following Jesus and any other path to God.
Why is it that the Bible is the most widely read book in all of human history? All those people reading a book that is filled with lies?
Funny you would have thought that critics and skeptics would have destroyed the Bible by now by proving it false. But they haven't and people continue to worship Him. There is no other one like Him. Think about this........
Why would you think that all but one of the disciples were martyred for Christ? They stood up for Christ by spreading His message and were killed. Some were burned to death, some were crucified, one was stoned, two killed by spears, a few beheaded. What, for a lie?
Who would willingly die for something they thought was a lie?
Jesus was gentle but He was not weak. He loved the sinner BUT He hated sin. He was intolerant of sin. He did NOT negotiate on this. Jesus did NOT say, do your own thing, make up your own rules, all roads lead to God. I believe He spoke the truth and I believe it.
If you believe Him you cant believe other religions. They are contradictory.
Why dont you ask Momma that same question kaylie?
My faith is in Christ and that the Word is the Truth. I believe everything else is false. I believe by faith it is true by the clear evidence that has been shown.
Agape........why neither lever?

reply from: BossMomma

Hello again, BossMomma, I encourage you to use the quote function to help others understand your posts.
You are pregnant; does that affect your feelings about abortion?
Not at all, I do not judge those women who feel unready for the rigors of motherhood. Pregnancy is very hard on me as it drops my blood pressure causing fainting spells. Plus I have degenerative arthritis in both knees and, pregnancy related gall bladder issues. I'm willing to undergo the discomforts, but I'm not about to tell another woman with the same issues or worse to suck it up and stay pregnant. I advise women to seek the council of their doctors and do what feels best to them.

reply from: KaylieBee

None of that proves the existence or non-existence of a deity, CM. Nothing makes your belief anymore valid than hers, considering neither can be proved or disproved.

reply from: BossMomma

You bash Christianity and Christians. You are wiccan. So show me the proofs of your faith. Why do you believe? Sources to prove your faith is right are....?
You tell me I cant judge you.......when in one of your first posts here......you judge Christianity and those that love Christ. You did it for a reason. What? You have an agenda and you know it. If you left Christianity it was your decision and it involved your heart and only yours. Dont blame anyone for decisions that you made.
You have the illusion that being personally opposed to abortion while believing others should be free to choose it is some kind of compromise between the pro-abortion and pro-life positions. You are wrong, its not.
Pro-choice people vote the same as pro-abortion people and they both oppose legal protection for the innocent unborn. Both are willing for children to die by abortion and must take responsibility for the killing of those babies even if they do not participate directly.
As Randy Alcorn says, to the baby who dies it makes no difference whether those who refuse to protect her were pro-abortion or merely pro-choice.
You are pro-choice not pro-life.
If abortion doesn't kill children, why would someone be opposed to it? If it does kill children, why would someone defend another's right to do it? Why do you defend others slaughtering the unborn.
Why are you opposed to being called pro-abortion? Is there something wrong with abortion Momma?
I am opposed to the title pro-abort because it implies that abortion is the only thing I support. I am pro-choice, I support the right to give birth and raise a child and the right to give birth and adopt out. I support the right to leave an unwanted baby at a firestation or hospital. Those are all legal viable choices in dealing with pregnancy and I fully support all of them yet all you can focus on is abortion. I bit back against christians because I left an extremely civilized, very polite introductory post and immediately I've got this pro-fetal fundie up my butt calling me pro-abort. Can you not imagine how that might sway me against Jesus fan club?

reply from: BossMomma

The hideous immorality and intellectual dishonesty of people like BossMomma is a perfect illustration of why the law must protect the lives of the unborn. To the pro-lifers on this forum, I urge you to use the droolings of people like this as an encouragement to redouble your efforts. You and I have a responsibility to see that the innocent are protected from these kinds of degenerates.
All I can say is WTF?

reply from: churchmouse

Kaylie...so you are questioning why I beleive there is no other way than Christianity.
How can I be a Christian and not think that its not the only way?
Jesus says that He is the only way to the Father. I believe that.....so how can I believe anything else is the truth? Everyone can't be right.
Religious pluralism goes so far as to say that not only are all religions equally true but that they all say roughly the same thing. This thought might be growing in the West but I dont buy it because they are not all the same, they all contradict eachother.
So what you are telling me is that I can claim that my religion is ok for me but that I have no right telling anyone their religion is false.
Why cant I?

You know religious pluralism is just as exclusivistic as Christianity.
Pro-choice is pro-abortion, what dont you understand? You support someones right to kill their unborn child. You cant hide........from that position. THIS IS AN ABORTION FORUM for your information. You came here and you said you were pro-choice....which for the majority of us.....is pro-abortion. You are in the minority. If you think your view, that you value all life here will fly......I'm telling ya right now....it wont. To many people are passionate and recognize that the unborns life is equal to that of a born child. Abortion is murder and again if you condone any woman getting one......then you are a pro-abort.
You started it momma with the Christianity bashing.

reply from: BossMomma

Pro-choice is pro-abortion, what dont you understand? You support someones right to kill their unborn child. You cant hide........from that position. THIS IS AN ABORTION FORUM for your information. You came here and you said you were pro-choice....which for the majority of us.....is pro-abortion. You are in the minority. If you think your view, that you value all life here will fly......I'm telling ya right now....it wont. To many people are passionate and recognize that the unborns life is equal to that of a born child. Abortion is murder and again if you condone any woman getting one......then you are a pro-abort.
You started it momma with the Christianity bashing.
Ok, I'll admit I started the Christianity bashing, you have my apologies. However, the narrow minded title of pro-abort completely excludes any other choice available to pregnant women. I agree that unborn children are just as precious as the born, however I haven't the time to neglect my children so I can go picket a Planned Parenthood and wave morbid signs at women. I can't take off from work so I can personally force women to give birth, I am pro-choice because for all the pro-life protest they haven't saved even one baby. I do my part against abortion by not aborting my own pregnancies, that is all I have power over.
I'm not pro-choice because I feel the woman is more sacred than the unborn child, or because I'm some baby hating extremist like Margret Sanger, I'm pro-choice because I mind my own business. Why do you condem me?

reply from: 4given

Why do you condemn other innocent beings to die by advocating a woman's choice- yours included to kill them? Why and how do you come to the understanding that preventing the life of potential criminals, is keeping this country safe? Is a "wanted" or "valued" life less likely to commit a crime or be sentenced based on that?

reply from: BossMomma

Why do you condemn other innocent beings to die by advocating a woman's choice- yours included to kill them? Why and how do you come to the understanding that preventing the life of potential criminals, is keeping this country safe? Is a "wanted" or "valued" life less likely to commit a crime or be sentenced based on that?
Uhm, I meant that I keep born incarcerated criminals off the streets, it had nothing to do with unborn children. I'm a prison guard, I keep the bad guys in my unit locked up thus protecting US Citizens. Remind me to use small words and sentences with you as you clearly are not a mature adult.

reply from: 4given

Why do you condemn other innocent beings to die by advocating a woman's choice- yours included to kill them? Why and how do you come to the understanding that preventing the life of potential criminals, is keeping this country safe? Is a "wanted" or "valued" life less likely to commit a crime or be sentenced based on that?
Uhm, I meant that I keep born incarcerated criminals off the streets, it had nothing to do with unborn children. I'm a prison guard, I keep the bad guys in my unit locked up thus protecting US Citizens. Remind me to use small words and sentences with you as you clearly are not a mature adult.Why did you use your job as an abortion justification? You brought it up. Answer the questions. Put the dog down Damien.. Or are they too difficult for your big words? I am asking you honest questions.

reply from: faithman

Why do you condemn other innocent beings to die by advocating a woman's choice- yours included to kill them? Why and how do you come to the understanding that preventing the life of potential criminals, is keeping this country safe? Is a "wanted" or "valued" life less likely to commit a crime or be sentenced based on that?
Uhm, I meant that I keep born incarcerated criminals off the streets, it had nothing to do with unborn children. I'm a prison guard, I keep the bad guys in my unit locked up thus protecting US Citizens. Remind me to use small words and sentences with you as you clearly are not a mature adult.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg

reply from: RiverMoonLady

I do not approve of killing newborns (or fetuses 20 weeks and older), but you are right - it is none of my business if women do so. They will be dealt with appropriately by the legal system.
If a woman does not want a child, it is much more merciful to abort it early. And, kind sir, in the case of infanticide, there is often postpartum depression or other mental illness involved. Women normally do not spend nine months of pregnancy and go through labor and delivery just to kill their offspring after birth. Nor do they suddenly decide, a few weeks before their due date, that they no longer want a child and run off for a late abortion.
Women are not stupid and they are capable of making their own decisions about reproduction.

reply from: faithman

Some women are very stupid as evidenced by your posts.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

I hold the same views, BossMomma. Pro-choice DOES NOT mean that there is a common belief that abortion is good, or the only option, or should be encouraged - no, it means only that women deserve the choice to do what they want when they find out they are pregnant.
It's pretty hilarious how many pro-choicers choose to have children. If we were so insistent on having women abort, we'd all be childless, right? I would venture the guess that a lot of pro-choicers have found themselves in situations that required the decision whether or not to carry a child to term and understand how difficult the situation can be. Some of us chose to give birth and keep the child, some chose adoption and some chose abortion. THAT is what pro-choice means.
And we believe that other women are just as capable of making that decision themselves, along with the man involved and a medical professional. Too many pro-lifers seem to think that women are stupid, ignorant cows who have no idea what abortion is about and that any woman who aborts is a slut. That's just pathetic.

reply from: faithman

I hold the same views, BossMomma. Pro-choice DOES NOT mean that there is a common belief that abortion is good, or the only option, or should be encouraged - no, it means only that women deserve the choice to do what they want when they find out they are pregnant.
It's pretty hilarious how many pro-choicers choose to have children. If we were so insistent on having women abort, we'd all be childless, right? I would venture the guess that a lot of pro-choicers have found themselves in situations that required the decision whether or not to carry a child to term and understand how difficult the situation can be. Some of us chose to give birth and keep the child, some chose adoption and some chose abortion. THAT is what pro-choice means.
And we believe that other women are just as capable of making that decision themselves, along with the man involved and a medical professional. Too many pro-lifers seem to think that women are stupid, ignorant cows who have no idea what abortion is about and that any woman who aborts is a slut. That's just pathetic.
What is pathetic is low lifes like you who pretend to be SSSSOOOO smart and superior, and totally ignore information that completely suports the personhood of the womb child. I do not believe all women to be stupid and ignorant, onl those who advocate the destruction of http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg

reply from: BossMomma

I hold the same views, BossMomma. Pro-choice DOES NOT mean that there is a common belief that abortion is good, or the only option, or should be encouraged - no, it means only that women deserve the choice to do what they want when they find out they are pregnant.
It's pretty hilarious how many pro-choicers choose to have children. If we were so insistent on having women abort, we'd all be childless, right? I would venture the guess that a lot of pro-choicers have found themselves in situations that required the decision whether or not to carry a child to term and understand how difficult the situation can be. Some of us chose to give birth and keep the child, some chose adoption and some chose abortion. THAT is what pro-choice means.
And we believe that other women are just as capable of making that decision themselves, along with the man involved and a medical professional. Too many pro-lifers seem to think that women are stupid, ignorant cows who have no idea what abortion is about and that any woman who aborts is a slut. That's just pathetic.
Finally a voice of reason besides my own heard above the inane babble.

reply from: BossMomma

I hold the same views, BossMomma. Pro-choice DOES NOT mean that there is a common belief that abortion is good, or the only option, or should be encouraged - no, it means only that women deserve the choice to do what they want when they find out they are pregnant.
It's pretty hilarious how many pro-choicers choose to have children. If we were so insistent on having women abort, we'd all be childless, right? I would venture the guess that a lot of pro-choicers have found themselves in situations that required the decision whether or not to carry a child to term and understand how difficult the situation can be. Some of us chose to give birth and keep the child, some chose adoption and some chose abortion. THAT is what pro-choice means.
And we believe that other women are just as capable of making that decision themselves, along with the man involved and a medical professional. Too many pro-lifers seem to think that women are stupid, ignorant cows who have no idea what abortion is about and that any woman who aborts is a slut. That's just pathetic.
What is pathetic is low lifes like you who pretend to be SSSSOOOO smart and superior, and totally ignore information that completely suports the personhood of the womb child. I do not believe all women to be stupid and ignorant, onl those who advocate the destruction of http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg
Low life? Thus far the only low lives I've seen are those who would judge the choices of women they don't even know and call them stupid and ignorant and award a fetus a legal title based not on legislature but on religious rhetoric that might not mean jack to a non-xtian.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

The choice of murdering other living human beings needs to be outlawed. The appropriate first degree intentional homicide charge should be applied to those who aid and abet the killing of preborn children.

reply from: BossMomma

The choice of murdering other living human beings needs to be outlawed. The appropriate first degree intentional homicide charge should be applied to those who aid and abet the killing of preborn children.
Well then get off the message board and go debate where it counts. No law was ever changed sitting on one's hind end posting on a message board. Go save the unborn because currently your saving about as many babies as me...actually, no, I'm saving my own so I got ya beat.

reply from: churchmouse

What do you expect a Christian to do when their faith is being attacked? And you did just that.
If you think that the unborn are just as precious as born children and as equal then I would think you would be agaisnt abortion for everyone. How can you pick and choose what child lives and which one dies.
You do not have to get out on the street like some people do to be agaisnt abortion.
Curious as to why you think the graphic picutres of the unborn are terrible. They show exactly what happens. Do you think this should be hidden from women? And for your information, none of us here FORCE women not to have abortions. They unfortunately are legal and women can kill their unborns. We stand there as a voice FOR THE UNBORN. That the last thing they see before going in is a picture of what the unborn looks like when dismembered.
Do you think any human being deserves this?
If you condone anothers right to do this......you are pro-abortion and you own the label, sorry. And how do you know that not one baby has been saved from pro-life work? Not one? LOL
You do your part against abortion by not aborting your own pregnancies? Your kidding right? Thats all the power you have? LOL
You just dont get it. You are pro-choice, abortion. Do you think that today we should be allowed to own slaves? Should people have just stayed at home and kept their mouths shut?
Thank God in heaven that there are people that will step out of the box and try to make a difference. People that want to protect the vulnerable and those that need help. So you have a bunch of kids. A lot of people here have kids and they dont use that excuse. A lot of women when we go march bring their children. I stood with a woman last January on a picket......and she stood six hours.
And I dont condemn your heart only your words.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

This "preborn children" and "womb child" stuff is hilarious. Go get a Social Security number for your fetus tomorrow. Register it with the state as your new son or daughter - surely at 8 weeks after conception you know whether it's Henry or Heather, right? Use it as a tax deduction. Go to a buffet where they charge kids under 6 a lower price. Remember, you have 3 kids, not 2 - one's just living in a private "room", but you have to pay for all 3.
When the government grants legal personhood to non-viable fetuses (which will happen about the time Hell freezes over), I will have to accept their decision. I'm sure the legal system can't wait to deal with the unexpected (by some) repercussions of such an inane idea. We'll need about five million lawyers to sort it all out, if future lawyers haven't all been aborted by then.
Oh, well, at least this forum is good for some real belly laughs.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

No, you have a responsibility to see that NO child in this country lives in poverty before you worry about adding a bunch of unwanted new lives to the population. Your children and mine will be inheriting the mess that our current and past governments made. I would like to see them be able to fix it without the additional load of kids nobody wants and whose unwilling parents can't afford.

reply from: yoda

Why, because YOU say it does? Or do YOU define words for us here?
Personally, I don't think your opinion on the definition of words and terms is worth warm spit when compared to legitimate dictionaries.
And THEY say:
pro-a·bor·tion adjective - favoring legal access to abortion: in favor of open legal access to voluntary abortion http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861736813

pro-choice adjective advocating access to legal abortion: advocating open legal access to voluntary abortion http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/pro-choice.html

reply from: yoda

Not if they don't get caught..... and not if there isn't a law against that.
You seem to want to prevent the passage of any laws which would make it a crime to kill an unborn baby, so that makes you a "facilitator" in the killing of unborn children.

reply from: yoda

This is just one way we try to influence public opinion, and we think it is quite worthwhile. But why are you here, if not to influence public opinion?
Frankly, I don't think you would be advising a prolifer to leave here if you didn't think she was doing some good.

reply from: yoda

Only a true proabort could find humor in that:
American Heritage Dictionary:
Unborn: ADJECTIVE : 1. Not yet born: "an unborn child." http://www.bartleby.com/61/
Information Please: Unborn: Pronunciation: (un-bôrn') -adj. 2. not yet delivered; still existing in the mother's womb: an unborn baby. http://www.infoplease.com/
MSN Encarta Dictionary: Unborn: 1. not born yet: not yet born, but usually already conceived and gestating "behavior that could benefit the unborn child" http://dictionary.msn.com/
An unborn child is a child in utero, i.e., "a member of the species homo sapiens at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb
http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/h/hu/human.html,

http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/u/ut/uterus.html,---- according to legislation which passed the US Senate http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/u/un/united_states_senate.html in March 2004.http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/f/fe/fetus.html

Legal definitions of "Unborn Child"
Unborn child From Black's Law Dictionary, 5th Ed.: The individual human life in existence and developing from fertilization until birth.
Unborn child: A viable unborn child, which would have been born alive but for the negligence of defendant, is a "person" within meaning of Wrongful Death Statute. (Black's Law Dictionary, 5th Ed.; Simmons v Howard University, D.C.D.C., 323 F.Supp. 529) Unborn child is a "person" for purpose of remedies given for personal injuries, and child may sue after his birth. (Black's Law Dictionary, 5th Ed.; Weaks v Mounter, 88 Nev. 118, 493 P.2d 1307, 1309)
Rights of unborn child: Medical authority has recognized long since that a child is in existence (i.e. alive) from the moment of conception, and for many purposes its existence is recognized by the law. The criminal law regards it as a separate entity, and the law of property considers it in being for all purposes which are to its benefit, such taking by will or descent. In addition, the child, if he is born alive, is permitted to maintain an action for the consequences of prenatal injuries, and if he dies of such injuries after birth an action will lie for his wrongful death. Many states have allowed recovery even though the injury occurred during the early weeks of pregnancy, when the child was neither viable nor quick. (Black's Law Dictionary, 5th Ed.; Sylvia v Gobeille, 1966, 101 R.I. 76, 220 A.2d 222; Hornbuckle v Plantation Pipe Line Co., 1956 212 Ga. 504, 93 S.E.2d 727, conformed to 94 Ga. App.2d 328, 94 S.E.2d 523; Bennett v Hymers, 1958, 101 N.H. 483, 147 A.2d 108; Sinkler v Kneale, 1960, 401 Pa. 267, 164 A.2d 93; Smith v Brennan, 1960, 31 N.J. 353, 157 A.2d 497)

reply from: yoda

What's wrong, dearie, can't you focus on two things at once? Or do you think that helping starving children will prevent us from doing anything about the slaughter you're supporting?
Some of us can help needy children and the unborn at the same time, it's really no mean trick at all........ try it. ........ or better yet, actually do something to help EITHER unborn children OR starving children.... take your pick!

reply from: Faramir

"Proabort" is not in the dictionary.
And I don't see how it can be used as an abbrieviation of "proabortion" to refer to a person, since that word is an adjective.
We do not call people a "tall" or a "smart." I think it's a dumb made up word, and I won't use it, except maybe occassionaly in quotes on this forum, since those who are pc here understand what it means and use it liberally.
But it is fair to say that BossMamma is proabortion, if she favors legal access to abortion. It doesn't matter if she approves of other choices, and it doesn't imply that she sees this as the ONLY choice.
And I wish we could get rid of that expression about "warm spit." Yuck...

reply from: RiverMoonLady

So what if it does? If they haven't been born yet and cannot live outside a woman's uterus and they're not related to me, what business is it of mine? A woman aborting her own offspring well before viability is doing something that I have no business interfering with because she is not doing anything illegal.
Next thing you know, you pro-lifers will want the government to monitor and regulate peoples' sex lives! (Oh, that's right, someone here already suggested that terrific invasion of privacy.)

reply from: Faramir

No, you have a responsibility to see that NO child in this country lives in poverty before you worry about adding a bunch of unwanted new lives to the population. Your children and mine will be inheriting the mess that our current and past governments made. I would like to see them be able to fix it without the additional load of kids nobody wants and whose unwilling parents can't afford.
It's not either/or and the US is not the vast wasteland you make it out to be.
There are plenty of resources and opportunities for those we spare. We don't have to kill them so there is enough for us and our children.

reply from: yoda

What business is it of yours if Andrea Yates gets out of jail and drowns five more children? If you don't want it to be your business, I guess it isn't!
But we care about innocent babies being killed in abortions, and that's why it is our business. And quite frankly, I don't see what good it would do if you did consider it your business, since you don't really seem to care.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

What business is it of yours if Andrea Yates gets out of jail and drowns five more children? If you don't want it to be your business, I guess it isn't!
But we care about innocent babies being killed in abortions, and that's why it is our business. And quite frankly, I don't see what good it would do if you did consider it your business, since you don't really seem to care.
You're right. I DON'T care about your precious womb children. I care about the one in five American kids living in poverty. I care about the single mothers who give up their own food and medicine so that their kids can eat. I care about families who lose their income to job cuts, illnesses and accidents. I care about the people who are ALREADY here and about the wanted children that are born. I care about the Americans dying in Bush's stupid war. I care about the kids in Africa who die in large numbers from avoidable diseases caused by a lack of clean water or a cheap mosquito net.
You must all live in la-la land if you think life is so wonderful and perfect and that every woman should welcome every new family addition that potentially comes her way.

reply from: yoda

You're kidding, right? Oh my, and here I thought you'd become a radical, die hard prolifer........
Well, that's wonderful. Why then, aren't you on some forum promoting help for underprivileged kids, rather than on an antiabortion promoting the killing of unborn kids?
If you REALLY cared about kids, why wouldn't you be out trying to help them, instead of hanging around here trying to convince us it's okay to kill them before birth?

reply from: BossMomma

What do you expect a Christian to do when their faith is being attacked? And you did just that.
If you think that the unborn are just as precious as born children and as equal then I would think you would be agaisnt abortion for everyone. How can you pick and choose what child lives and which one dies.
You do not have to get out on the street like some people do to be agaisnt abortion.
Curious as to why you think the graphic picutres of the unborn are terrible. They show exactly what happens. Do you think this should be hidden from women? And for your information, none of us here FORCE women not to have abortions. They unfortunately are legal and women can kill their unborns. We stand there as a voice FOR THE UNBORN. That the last thing they see before going in is a picture of what the unborn looks like when dismembered.
Do you think any human being deserves this?
If you condone anothers right to do this......you are pro-abortion and you own the label, sorry. And how do you know that not one baby has been saved from pro-life work? Not one? LOL
You do your part against abortion by not aborting your own pregnancies? Your kidding right? Thats all the power you have? LOL
You just dont get it. You are pro-choice, abortion. Do you think that today we should be allowed to own slaves? Should people have just stayed at home and kept their mouths shut?
Thank God in heaven that there are people that will step out of the box and try to make a difference. People that want to protect the vulnerable and those that need help. So you have a bunch of kids. A lot of people here have kids and they dont use that excuse. A lot of women when we go march bring their children. I stood with a woman last January on a picket......and she stood six hours.
And I dont condemn your heart only your words.
Do not think that you can restrict me to a lable, you are a pro-FETAL-lifer in that case. You don't give a damn about that baby once born or the circumstances that child would be born into. You don't care that the woman in question might be too poor to feed herself much less a baby, you don't care that the woman in question might have been raped, suffering dire complications from the pregnancy, too young to care for the baby or any other reason as long as the pregnancy ends in a live birth. As far as me attacking your religion you people have attacked me from the very first post calling me crap like pro-abort, a supporter of infantacide and other such nonsense. And if you think it's admirable to bring children on a pro-life march to protest a very adult subject you are sadly mistaken, that is simply using the face of your own child to further degrade women and their rights. I don't condemn your heart or your words, but damned if I'm going to sit passively by and be slandered.

reply from: faithman

What do you expect a Christian to do when their faith is being attacked? And you did just that.
If you think that the unborn are just as precious as born children and as equal then I would think you would be agaisnt abortion for everyone. How can you pick and choose what child lives and which one dies.
You do not have to get out on the street like some people do to be agaisnt abortion.
Curious as to why you think the graphic picutres of the unborn are terrible. They show exactly what happens. Do you think this should be hidden from women? And for your information, none of us here FORCE women not to have abortions. They unfortunately are legal and women can kill their unborns. We stand there as a voice FOR THE UNBORN. That the last thing they see before going in is a picture of what the unborn looks like when dismembered.
Do you think any human being deserves this?
If you condone anothers right to do this......you are pro-abortion and you own the label, sorry. And how do you know that not one baby has been saved from pro-life work? Not one? LOL
You do your part against abortion by not aborting your own pregnancies? Your kidding right? Thats all the power you have? LOL
You just dont get it. You are pro-choice, abortion. Do you think that today we should be allowed to own slaves? Should people have just stayed at home and kept their mouths shut?
Thank God in heaven that there are people that will step out of the box and try to make a difference. People that want to protect the vulnerable and those that need help. So you have a bunch of kids. A lot of people here have kids and they dont use that excuse. A lot of women when we go march bring their children. I stood with a woman last January on a picket......and she stood six hours.
And I dont condemn your heart only your words.
Do not think that you can restrict me to a lable, you are a pro-FETAL-lifer in that case. You don't give a damn about that baby once born or the circumstances that child would be born into. You don't care that the woman in question might be too poor to feed herself much less a baby, you don't care that the woman in question might have been raped, suffering dire complications from the pregnancy, too young to care for the baby or any other reason as long as the pregnancy ends in a live birth. As far as me attacking your religion you people have attacked me from the very first post calling me crap like pro-abort, a supporter of infantacide and other such nonsense. And if you think it's admirable to bring children on a pro-life march to protest a very adult subject you are sadly mistaken, that is simply using the face of your own child to further degrade women and their rights. I don't condemn your heart or your words, but damned if I'm going to sit passively by and be slandered.
You slander yourself with such self righteous BS. You are a pro-death scanc and get off on being able to kill the helpless. Hide behind all the high minded what ifs you like, but you are a murderous bully at heart, and I don't really cae where you like it or not, that is what you are.

reply from: KaylieBee

I don't think you have any right to act superior about it, when there is no more proof for either belief then the other.

reply from: BossMomma

What do you expect a Christian to do when their faith is being attacked? And you did just that.
If you think that the unborn are just as precious as born children and as equal then I would think you would be agaisnt abortion for everyone. How can you pick and choose what child lives and which one dies.
You do not have to get out on the street like some people do to be agaisnt abortion.
Curious as to why you think the graphic picutres of the unborn are terrible. They show exactly what happens. Do you think this should be hidden from women? And for your information, none of us here FORCE women not to have abortions. They unfortunately are legal and women can kill their unborns. We stand there as a voice FOR THE UNBORN. That the last thing they see before going in is a picture of what the unborn looks like when dismembered.
Do you think any human being deserves this?
If you condone anothers right to do this......you are pro-abortion and you own the label, sorry. And how do you know that not one baby has been saved from pro-life work? Not one? LOL
You do your part against abortion by not aborting your own pregnancies? Your kidding right? Thats all the power you have? LOL
You just dont get it. You are pro-choice, abortion. Do you think that today we should be allowed to own slaves? Should people have just stayed at home and kept their mouths shut?
Thank God in heaven that there are people that will step out of the box and try to make a difference. People that want to protect the vulnerable and those that need help. So you have a bunch of kids. A lot of people here have kids and they dont use that excuse. A lot of women when we go march bring their children. I stood with a woman last January on a picket......and she stood six hours.
And I dont condemn your heart only your words.
Do not think that you can restrict me to a lable, you are a pro-FETAL-lifer in that case. You don't give a damn about that baby once born or the circumstances that child would be born into. You don't care that the woman in question might be too poor to feed herself much less a baby, you don't care that the woman in question might have been raped, suffering dire complications from the pregnancy, too young to care for the baby or any other reason as long as the pregnancy ends in a live birth. As far as me attacking your religion you people have attacked me from the very first post calling me crap like pro-abort, a supporter of infantacide and other such nonsense. And if you think it's admirable to bring children on a pro-life march to protest a very adult subject you are sadly mistaken, that is simply using the face of your own child to further degrade women and their rights. I don't condemn your heart or your words, but damned if I'm going to sit passively by and be slandered.
You slander yourself with such self righteous BS. You are a pro-death scanc and get off on being able to kill the helpless. Hide behind all the high minded what ifs you like, but you are a murderous bully at heart, and I don't really cae where you like it or not, that is what you are.
You are a pro-Fetal-life brain washed dimwit and your damn right I'm high minded, I have an education where as you clearly don't.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Actually, I AM out trying to help them. I do volunteer work and donate time, money and items to help kids, people in the armed forces and their families, veterans, abused women (and their children) and homeless women (and their children.)
But I don't support Planned Parenthood or ANY pro-choice group for that matter, nor do I donate anything to politicians, churches, preachers or any religious groups with the exception of the Mennonite Central Committee, a wonderful organization doing their best to help poor people in the US and foreign countries to become self-sufficient (by marketing their handmade products), have clean drinking water (by drilling wells for villages), grow their own food (by providing animals and seeds) and sending medical personnel to help them become and stay healthy - including during and after pregnancy.
Any other helpful suggestions??

reply from: faithman

What do you expect a Christian to do when their faith is being attacked? And you did just that.
If you think that the unborn are just as precious as born children and as equal then I would think you would be agaisnt abortion for everyone. How can you pick and choose what child lives and which one dies.
You do not have to get out on the street like some people do to be agaisnt abortion.
Curious as to why you think the graphic picutres of the unborn are terrible. They show exactly what happens. Do you think this should be hidden from women? And for your information, none of us here FORCE women not to have abortions. They unfortunately are legal and women can kill their unborns. We stand there as a voice FOR THE UNBORN. That the last thing they see before going in is a picture of what the unborn looks like when dismembered.
Do you think any human being deserves this?
If you condone anothers right to do this......you are pro-abortion and you own the label, sorry. And how do you know that not one baby has been saved from pro-life work? Not one? LOL
You do your part against abortion by not aborting your own pregnancies? Your kidding right? Thats all the power you have? LOL
You just dont get it. You are pro-choice, abortion. Do you think that today we should be allowed to own slaves? Should people have just stayed at home and kept their mouths shut?
Thank God in heaven that there are people that will step out of the box and try to make a difference. People that want to protect the vulnerable and those that need help. So you have a bunch of kids. A lot of people here have kids and they dont use that excuse. A lot of women when we go march bring their children. I stood with a woman last January on a picket......and she stood six hours.
And I dont condemn your heart only your words.
Do not think that you can restrict me to a lable, you are a pro-FETAL-lifer in that case. You don't give a damn about that baby once born or the circumstances that child would be born into. You don't care that the woman in question might be too poor to feed herself much less a baby, you don't care that the woman in question might have been raped, suffering dire complications from the pregnancy, too young to care for the baby or any other reason as long as the pregnancy ends in a live birth. As far as me attacking your religion you people have attacked me from the very first post calling me crap like pro-abort, a supporter of infantacide and other such nonsense. And if you think it's admirable to bring children on a pro-life march to protest a very adult subject you are sadly mistaken, that is simply using the face of your own child to further degrade women and their rights. I don't condemn your heart or your words, but damned if I'm going to sit passively by and be slandered.
You slander yourself with such self righteous BS. You are a pro-death scanc and get off on being able to kill the helpless. Hide behind all the high minded what ifs you like, but you are a murderous bully at heart, and I don't really cae where you like it or not, that is what you are.
You are a pro-Fetal-life brain washed dimwit and your damn right I'm high minded, I have an education where as you clearly don't.
Though I may be spelling challenged [no spell check here] I maintained a high b average in collage, and spent several semesters on the Deans list. What is clear is you are a baby killing scanc bully. Your brain has been washed in the blood of dead womb children. You are a sorry excuse for a human being, much less any kind of example of womanhood.

reply from: Agape

Actually, I AM out trying to help them. I do volunteer work and donate time, money and items to help kids, people in the armed forces and their families, veterans, abused women (and their children) and homeless women (and their children.)
But I don't support Planned Parenthood or ANY pro-choice group for that matter, nor do I donate anything to politicians, churches, preachers or any religious groups with the exception of the Mennonite Central Committee, a wonderful organization doing their best to help poor people in the US and foreign countries to become self-sufficient (by marketing their handmade products), have clean drinking water (by drilling wells for villages), grow their own food (by providing animals and seeds) and sending medical personnel to help them become and stay healthy - including during and after pregnancy.
Any other helpful suggestions??
Adopt?
Just an idea.
I intend on adopting in the future but now is not the right time.

reply from: BossMomma

What do you expect a Christian to do when their faith is being attacked? And you did just that.
If you think that the unborn are just as precious as born children and as equal then I would think you would be agaisnt abortion for everyone. How can you pick and choose what child lives and which one dies.
You do not have to get out on the street like some people do to be agaisnt abortion.
Curious as to why you think the graphic picutres of the unborn are terrible. They show exactly what happens. Do you think this should be hidden from women? And for your information, none of us here FORCE women not to have abortions. They unfortunately are legal and women can kill their unborns. We stand there as a voice FOR THE UNBORN. That the last thing they see before going in is a picture of what the unborn looks like when dismembered.
Do you think any human being deserves this?
If you condone anothers right to do this......you are pro-abortion and you own the label, sorry. And how do you know that not one baby has been saved from pro-life work? Not one? LOL
You do your part against abortion by not aborting your own pregnancies? Your kidding right? Thats all the power you have? LOL
You just dont get it. You are pro-choice, abortion. Do you think that today we should be allowed to own slaves? Should people have just stayed at home and kept their mouths shut?
Thank God in heaven that there are people that will step out of the box and try to make a difference. People that want to protect the vulnerable and those that need help. So you have a bunch of kids. A lot of people here have kids and they dont use that excuse. A lot of women when we go march bring their children. I stood with a woman last January on a picket......and she stood six hours.
And I dont condemn your heart only your words.
Do not think that you can restrict me to a lable, you are a pro-FETAL-lifer in that case. You don't give a damn about that baby once born or the circumstances that child would be born into. You don't care that the woman in question might be too poor to feed herself much less a baby, you don't care that the woman in question might have been raped, suffering dire complications from the pregnancy, too young to care for the baby or any other reason as long as the pregnancy ends in a live birth. As far as me attacking your religion you people have attacked me from the very first post calling me crap like pro-abort, a supporter of infantacide and other such nonsense. And if you think it's admirable to bring children on a pro-life march to protest a very adult subject you are sadly mistaken, that is simply using the face of your own child to further degrade women and their rights. I don't condemn your heart or your words, but damned if I'm going to sit passively by and be slandered.
You slander yourself with such self righteous BS. You are a pro-death scanc and get off on being able to kill the helpless. Hide behind all the high minded what ifs you like, but you are a murderous bully at heart, and I don't really cae where you like it or not, that is what you are.
You are a pro-Fetal-life brain washed dimwit and your damn right I'm high minded, I have an education where as you clearly don't.
Though I may be spelling challenged [no spell check here] I maintained a high b average in collage, and spent several semesters on the Deans list. What is clear is you are a baby killing scanc bully. Your brain has been washed in the blood of dead womb children. You are a sorry excuse for a human being, much less any kind of example of womanhood.
Says the religious bigot who clearly can't even follow his own god's rules. I'm not washed in the blood of anything, I am a hard working mom who fully supports everyone's right to do their own thing within legal boundries. BTW, if you ever bothered to read the full bible and not just pick and choose the warm fuzzy parts, you'll see that your god is more a murderer than any pro-choice advocate ever born.

reply from: KaylieBee

Holy hell, people, learn how to shorten your quotes.

reply from: BossMomma

I try but everytime I highlight just the part of the post I'm responding to it still includes the whole damn thing.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Actually, I AM out trying to help them. I do volunteer work and donate time, money and items to help kids, people in the armed forces and their families, veterans, abused women (and their children) and homeless women (and their children.)
But I don't support Planned Parenthood or ANY pro-choice group for that matter, nor do I donate anything to politicians, churches, preachers or any religious groups with the exception of the Mennonite Central Committee, a wonderful organization doing their best to help poor people in the US and foreign countries to become self-sufficient (by marketing their handmade products), have clean drinking water (by drilling wells for villages), grow their own food (by providing animals and seeds) and sending medical personnel to help them become and stay healthy - including during and after pregnancy.
Any other helpful suggestions??
Adopt?
Just an idea.
I intend on adopting in the future but now is not the right time.
Agape, that's a wonderful idea - but I've already raised two sons to adulthood (late 20s) and am trying to hold down a steady job while I deal with longtime medical problems. I have no grandchildren, so I have fun with other people's little kids. Just the other day, I spent hours with a little girl who is "almost 8", playing along with her pretend pets, job, home, shopping, etc. It's pretty cool to be 52 and still understand the value of imagination - our pretend pets even had names!

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Classic F***man - "Though I may be spelling challenged [no spell check here] I maintained a high b average in collage, and spent several semesters on the Deans list. What is clear is you are a baby killing scanc bully. Your brain has been washed in the blood of dead womb children. You are a sorry excuse for a human being, much less any kind of example of womanhood."
I guess you went to a university, since you can't even spell "college" correctly. Your brain must be pickled in alcohol and drugs, and the Dean must have been blind and demented.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Oh BossMomma, you're going to meet a lot of people on here who are going to infuriate you. I'm supposedly not pro-life according to them because I advocate a slow program of abortion control as opposed to a sudden, violent ending of it. As I'm sure you can understand, society will need to change for abortion to be truly illegal and accepted as such.

reply from: Agape

Ah, that's too bad. I'm sorry you have medical problems to deal with.
Have you ever thought about volunteering for Big Brothers/Big Sisters? I think everytime someone connects with kindness you are advocating a nurturing mentality.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Ah, that's too bad. I'm sorry you have medical problems to deal with.
Have you ever thought about volunteering for Big Brothers/Big Sisters? I think everytime someone connects with kindness you are advocating a nurturing mentality.
That would be fun, because I don't have any daughters. But I live in a rural area and it seems like all the kids from BB/BS are in the city, 25 miles away. I can barely afford to drive to and from work (25 miles in the other direction), so I can't commit. I'm also stuck doing my housework on weekends because I spend over 12 hours a day getting ready for work, driving to work, working a full day and then driving home again - leaving me worn out and ready to relax, not spend time with youngsters.
I'm really happy that you are interested in adoption and I hope that someday you do adopt a child or two (or more!) Adoption is the most loving choice a woman can make, but it requires a lot of sacrifices that some women are unable or unwilling to make. There are so many kids out there that need good homes. I wish you the best of luck!

reply from: Agape

Well, shoot. Keep playing with the almost 8 year old-- she will keep you young!
I am still wavering between fostering children and adopting children. Where is the need greater?

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Both needs are great. You would probably do best to start by fostering, because it is not a life-long commitment and you will be helping children in situations that are often sudden and upsetting, such as parents losing custody due to arrest or limited resources.
Once you are married (or happily single) and have steady income, housing, etc. you will be eligible to adopt. I am sure you can find a lot of information on the internet or through local agencies, both state and private.
The greatest need is for the care of older or special-needs children. The older kids sometimes have serious problems (from FAS, mental problems, abuse, etc.) and take a LOT of time and effort. The younger ones are more likely to be scared and lonely.
Helping just ONE child makes the world a better place.

reply from: yoda

Actually, that's the ONLY kind of prolifer, didn't you know?
Let's go with your slander, and see where it takes us....... suppose that every prolifer in the world is as cold and uncaring as you claim that poster is.... how does that make it right that you support the elective killing of innocent unborn babies?
Huh?

reply from: yoda

Good! Then why are you spending so much time here, trying to justify the elective killing of innocent unborn babies?
Yes. Tend to the charitable activities you just discussed, and stop using so much of your time supporting the elective killing of innocent unborn babies.

reply from: yoda

I try but everytime I highlight just the part of the post I'm responding to it still includes the whole damn thing.
You have to delete the parts you're not responding to.........

reply from: yoda

And yet, you don't seem to consider abortion to be a "sudden, violent ending" of a baby's life....... why is that?

reply from: BossMomma

Trust me, if there were a way to transplant an unwanted fetus into a willing woman as a form of adoption I would be totally against abortion. My goal is to see that women are not slaves to their reproductive organs, not to see the unborn destroyed. However, until doctors are able to end the pregnancy and spare the life of the unborn, I refuse to budge in my position.

reply from: BossMomma

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Though I may be spelling challenged [no spell check here] I maintained a high b average in collage, and spent several semesters on the Deans list. What is clear is you are a baby killing scanc bully. Your brain has been washed in the blood of dead womb children. You are a sorry excuse for a human being, much less any kind of example of womanhood.
For future reference the next time you want to lie about your education, it's College not Collage and ***** not skanc.

reply from: BossMomma

Actually, that's the ONLY kind of prolifer, didn't you know?
Let's go with your slander, and see where it takes us....... suppose that every prolifer in the world is as cold and uncaring as you claim that poster is.... how does that make it right that you support the elective killing of innocent unborn babies?
Huh?
You still maintain that the fetus is all that is important
Do not think that you can restrict me to a lable, you are a pro-FETAL-lifer in that case.
Actually, that's the ONLY kind of prolifer, didn't you know?

reply from: yoda

Are you a mind reader also? If so, what am I thinking now?
I'm proud to be a defender of both human fetuses and embryos.
Are you proud to be a proponent of their elective destruction?

reply from: BossMomma

Actually, that's the ONLY kind of prolifer, didn't you know?
Let's go with your slander, and see where it takes us....... suppose that every prolifer in the world is as cold and uncaring as you claim that poster is.... how does that make it right that you support the elective killing of innocent unborn babies?
Huh?
Actually last month I and 12 other officers donated 1500 dollars to a new officer whose medical benefits hadn't been activated yet so that she could afford prenatal care. That was money for her and her unborn child. How much have you donated?

reply from: yoda

All I can afford.
And I don't publicly endorse the elective killing of innocent unborn babies.
Do you?

reply from: BossMomma

Are you a mind reader also? If so, what am I thinking now?
I'm proud to be a defender of both human fetuses and embryos.
Are you proud to be a proponent of their elective destruction?
Am I proud to support women's rights? Hell yeah. I support life too, born and unborn. Too bad you can't say the same.

reply from: BossMomma

All I can afford.
And I don't publicly endorse the elective killing of innocent unborn babies.
Do you?
Nope. I support a woman's right to bodily autonomy.

reply from: BossMomma

Are you a mind reader also? If so, what am I thinking now?
Sometimes I wonder if you're capable of rational thought.

reply from: yoda

Is that what you call it? Electively killing innocent unborn babies is just "women's rights"? What ever happened to the baby's right to life?
Actually, I can. But I'm sure you have a dozen detective agencies checking out my every activity and contribution, right? Or do you just read minds over the internet?
And btw, how DO you support "unborn life"?

reply from: yoda

How about the baby's right to bodily autonomy?

reply from: nancyu

All I can afford.
And I don't publicly endorse the elective killing of innocent unborn babies.
Do you?
Nope. I support a woman's right to bodily autonomy.
And how does that trump the child's right to stay alive?

reply from: BossMomma

Is that what you call it? Electively killing innocent unborn babies is just "women's rights"? What ever happened to the baby's right to life?
Actually, I can. But I'm sure you have a dozen detective agencies checking out my every activity and contribution, right? Or do you just read minds over the internet?
And btw, how DO you support "unborn life"?
I donate to crisis pregnancy centers, advertise their numbers and locations on my car, provide transportation to said centers. I donated money to a pregnant co-worker so that she and her unborn child could recieve proper prenatal care. I offer free baby sitting on my days off so that teen mothers in my neighborhood can have a chance to continue their educations, with that service alone I've saved 3 unborn babies bound for abortion because their teen mom's saw no other way. What do YOU do to save unborn babies?

reply from: BossMomma

How about the baby's right to bodily autonomy?
An unborn fetus has no such legal right.

reply from: Jameberlin

How about the baby's right to bodily autonomy?
An unborn fetus has no such legal right.
That's true, and it's really sad IMO.

reply from: BossMomma

All I can afford.
And I don't publicly endorse the elective killing of innocent unborn babies.
Do you?
Nope. I support a woman's right to bodily autonomy.
And how does that trump the child's right to stay alive?
The unborn has no protected status, it has not yet attained legal personhood. The woman is a member of society and has every right not to be used as a human incubater for an unwanted pregnancy.

reply from: yoda

All that sounds real good....... so I guess you could say that it IS possible to help BOTH the unborn and the born at the same time, right?
As for what I do, there is a long list of things: Protest once a week, maintain a prolife website, help at prolife booths at fairs/expositions, help move "Little Crosses Display" once a month, help prolife political candidates, post on prolife forums, help out at the annual 40 Days campaign, go to other states to help prolife efforts, donate time and material to CBR's GAP campaign, and generally help any prolife person or organization that asks for help.
And I don't ever, ever support the elective killing of innocent unborn babies....
Can you say the same?

reply from: yoda

How about the baby's right to bodily autonomy?
An unborn fetus has no such legal right.
No kidding? Well, duuuuuuh!
How about the baby's MORAL right to life?

reply from: BossMomma

All that sounds real good....... so I guess you could say that it IS possible to help BOTH the unborn and the born at the same time, right?
As for what I do, there is a long list of things: Protest once a week, maintain a prolife website, help at prolife booths at fairs/expositions, help move "Little Crosses Display" once a month, help prolife political candidates, post on prolife forums, help out at the annual 40 Days campaign, go to other states to help prolife efforts, donate time and material to CBR's GAP campaign, and generally help any prolife person or organization that asks for help.
And I don't ever, ever support the elective killing of innocent unborn babies....
Can you say the same?
Yes, I have never once advised a woman to have an abortion. I am a pro-active supporter of desperate pregnant women and sacrifice time I could take for myself to relax so that teen mothers don't feel abortion is the only way. All I see you doing is ranting and raving and guilt tripping women who felt that abortion was the best option. How many unborn children have you saved?

reply from: yoda

That's not what I asked. When you support the legality of abortion, you are supporting elective abortion, period.

reply from: BossMomma

That's not what I asked. When you support the legality of abortion, you are supporting elective abortion, period.
Yes I do support elective abortion on demand, it is a legal option. Until a better option exists like say...Fetal adoption, I will continue to support it.

reply from: galen

why not just support adoption? why must you support legalised murder>?

reply from: BossMomma

That's not what I asked. When you support the legality of abortion, you are supporting elective abortion, period.
If you support the legality of organised religion, you support the genital mutilation of women and enforced male dominance over women.
And the molestation of Alter Boys.

reply from: Jameberlin

That's not what I asked. When you support the legality of abortion, you are supporting elective abortion, period.
If you support the legality of organised religion, you support the genital mutilation of women and enforced male dominance over women.
And the molestation of Alter Boys.
Genital mutilation of boys too...
Molestation period. It exists in many, many religions (and in groups of non-religious)... Though not necessarily advocated by said religion.

reply from: yoda

How about "live birth and adoption" as a "better option"?

reply from: yoda

Hey, let's talk about abortion, okay?

reply from: BossMomma

How about "live birth and adoption" as a "better option"?
This does what to help a woman who doesn't want to gestate?

reply from: yoda

It can serve as a reminder to her to avoid becoming pregnant next time, if she doesn't want to gestate. And it can do that without making her a child-killer.

reply from: Agape

And molestation of the mind...brain washing!!

reply from: BossMomma

It can serve as a reminder to her to avoid becoming pregnant next time, if she doesn't want to gestate. And it can do that without making her a child-killer.
Ya know, I got pregnant using a condom and a birth control shot. The latex broke and the shot failed so here I am pregnant. If you think for a moment that adults will give up concentual sex for pleasure and bonding just so no fetus will be aborted you are out of your mind. As for rape victims they didn't even choose to have sex, it was forced upon them so your point is equally moot.

reply from: ChristianLott2

"kill the babies! there's no other way! i just can't control myself!"
that's all we hear from you. completely unsurprising.
as for rape - murdering a baby does not erase history. the rape still happened, you're just adding murder on top.

reply from: BossMomma

"kill the babies! there's no other way! i just can't control myself!"
that's all we hear from you. completely unsurprising.
Funny, the only thing I hear from you is the thoughtless idiocy of a 4 year old throwing a tantrum, it sounds something like " Waaaah, I can't control other people! Waaaaahhhh" :insert fist banging and foot stomping:

reply from: BossMomma

We have laws and they support Choice over the life of an unborn pre-viable fetus.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Funny, the only thing I hear from you is the thoughtless idiocy of a 4 year old throwing a tantrum, it sounds something like " Waaaah, I can't control other people! Waaaaahhhh" :insert fist banging and foot stomping:
Well then, let's just not have any law. Let's have anarchy.
Controlling other people's actions is what the laws are for.
And yes, I sure am mad.
Number of abortions per year: 1.37 Million (1996)
Number of abortions per day: Approximately 3,700
These statistics make you happy, miss boss? Pathetic.

reply from: BossMomma

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As a hatter.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Is that what you call a quote?
You're the one who supports selective murder of the unwanted.

reply from: BossMomma

Is that what you call a quote?
You're the one who supports selective murder of the unwanted.

reply from: sweet

hello to all.........i am a mother of three that i could've legally paid an assassin to kill...for ANY reason.....but didn't.
Abortion is Murder. Murder is wrong, bad, awful, and shameful. i am no better than those who chose to pay someone to kill their baby. i just made a better choice.(thank God!)

reply from: BossMomma

Welcome, I am a pro-choice mother of 2 and pregnant with my third. I'm glad that you made the right choice for you, however, your choice is no better than anyone elses.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Then kill your baby boss, it doesn't matter.

reply from: BossMomma

Then kill your baby boss, it doesn't matter.
Wow, I guess all unborn children don't matter to you. Aparently the pregnancies of pro-choicers are expendable. Such a hateful little psuedo-lifer you are.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Then kill your baby boss, it doesn't matter.
Wow, I guess all unborn children don't matter to you. Aparently the pregnancies of pro-choicers are expendable. Such a hateful little psuedo-lifer you are.
Funny what you call me when I start using your own logic.

reply from: churchmouse

You support women that want to kill their unborn children. You are part of the problem
Another jab at religion. You just cant stay on topic can ya?
Yoda....................... vexing DOES NOT WANT TO TALK ABORTION. His beef is with people who are Christian......you should know that already. lol
vexing show me a scripture where Christ said, kick women to the curb.
http://www.wcg.org/lit/church/ministry/women6a.htm

reply from: galen

Christ never said that Chm and no one has ever said he did.
You on the other hand like to cause discontent... vexing and yoda are not and have never professed to be Christian... so why not but out of thier argument...?
Oh yeah you just can't resisit trying to act like the victim.
WHY DON"T YOU ADRESS THOSE SCRPITURES YOU SCREAMED FOR?
Did you suddenly loose your fight? or is it you just know when your beat?
why don't you go back to your rock and crawl back underneath with the worms... you pharisee.

reply from: nancyu

Welcome, I am a pro-choice mother of 2 and pregnant with my third. I'm glad that you made the right choice for you, however, your choice is no better than anyone elses.
If someone were to murder someone you love, would you say the choice to kill that person is no better or worse, than the choice to let that person live?
I disagree with you wholeheartedly. Life is a much better choice than death. Where is your brain? I won't bother to ask where your heart is.

reply from: yoda

Apparently so..........

reply from: yoda

I don't have an argument with vexing..... I see no point in it.

reply from: BossMomma

We have laws and they support Choice over the life of an unborn pre-viable fetus.
It might look good to you on paper, but in practice, the law supports elective abortion on demand through all 9 months of pregnancy, for no more reason than that the mother wants the child dead.
There is another pro-life lie, there is a cut off on elective abortion in all 50 states due to the fact that late term abortions have a higher risk. I want unbiased proof of your assertion.

reply from: BossMomma

Welcome, I am a pro-choice mother of 2 and pregnant with my third. I'm glad that you made the right choice for you, however, your choice is no better than anyone elses.
If someone were to murder someone you love, would you say the choice to kill that person is no better or worse, than the choice to let that person live?
I disagree with you wholeheartedly. Life is a much better choice than death. Where is your brain? I won't bother to ask where your heart is.
My brain's in my head, my heart is in my chest, all other vital systems are in place. Furthermore, losing a pre-viable fetus is far less painful than losing a born loved one with whom you have true emotional attachment to.

reply from: yoda

Ah, so it's all about the survivors, and not the victim?
Yes, I thought so........

reply from: BossMomma

Ah, so it's all about the survivors, and not the victim?
Yes, I thought so........
If you had a rational thought I'd be astounded.

reply from: Logincredentialsinvalid

We have laws and they support Choice over the life of an unborn pre-viable fetus.
It might look good to you on paper, but in practice, the law supports elective abortion on demand through all 9 months of pregnancy, for no more reason than that the mother wants the child dead.
There is another pro-life lie, there is a cut off on elective abortion in all 50 states due to the fact that late term abortions have a higher risk. I want unbiased proof of your assertion.
Late term abortions can be performed right up until birth based on the broadly defined health clause, so we essentially have elective abortion on demand for all nine months. if she wants the kid dead, it might effect her psychologically noT to allow her to kill it.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=000&invol=05-380

reply from: nancyu

Welcome, I am a pro-choice mother of 2 and pregnant with my third. I'm glad that you made the right choice for you, however, your choice is no better than anyone elses.
If someone were to murder someone you love, would you say the choice to kill that person is no better or worse, than the choice to let that person live?
I disagree with you wholeheartedly. Life is a much better choice than death. Where is your brain? I won't bother to ask where your heart is.
My brain's in my head, my heart is in my chest, all other vital systems are in place. Furthermore, losing a pre-viable fetus is far less painful than losing a born loved one with whom you have true emotional attachment to.
I have no emotional attachment to you. Does that mean your life is not worthy of protection?
Many people get very attached to that child in the womb. Sometimes it is the mother, sometimes the father, or sibling or grandparent of that child. Sometimes it is even a complete stranger. In that unborn child is an unwritten life filled with hope and possibilities for a wonderful life and love and happiness. On top of these attachments are that child's own attachment to life. You can bet that child wants to live.
Your desires and attachments (or lack thereof) don't matter a bit to that unborn child. That child has a right to have his/her life protected as much as you or I deserve to have our own lives protected.


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