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HOW TO DERAIL A PROLIFE FORUM

In one easy lesson...

by: yoda

All you have to do is change the subject away from the babies being killed by abortion to .......... ANYTHING ELSE!!
Subjects like how "mean" certain prolife posters are is a good dodge. That way you can attack personalities rather than talking about abortion.
Other good diversions are religion, Christianity in general, changing your gender, etc., etc.
So get out there are divert, distract, and derail this forum!!

reply from: churchmouse

You are right yoda.........kudos to you.

reply from: yoda

What is "meaningless" to a proabort may have a great deal of meaning to a prolifer....... you remember those, right? The ones for whom this forum exists?

reply from: Faramir

Other good ways to derail a prolife forum:
Don't moderate it and allow all kinds of name calling and abusive comments.
Have regular posters call all newbies or anyone who disagrees with them, "pro aborts" even if they are prolife.
Continually make posts that are nothing more than "bump" or copies of previous posts.
Allow hateful SOBs to dominate the forum and give the impression that this is what prolifers really are, and drive away decent and reasonable prolifers.

reply from: carolemarie

Perhaps Yoda could take his own advice and not attack other prolifers....

reply from: nancyu

I've never seen yoda attack prolifers.

reply from: nancyu

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Do you really believe that this thread: http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=4403&enterthread=y or the other half-dozen just like it have any value to the pro-lifers on this board?
They sure as heck aren't posting replies!
Some are calls to action and don't require replies or comments. They are helpful and inspiring for people who want to do something, but might not know where to begin (like me). (thanks for the link)

reply from: Faramir

And you think abortion is illegal, and you would kill your "loved ones" if they don't accept your "prolife" views.
Do you think you're a credible witness?

reply from: yoda

A thread need have value to only one prolifer to "have value", and that one obviously does. We need to remind each other of things we consider important from time to time, whether we post on a thread or not.
And like I said, this forum is for prolifers, so you wouldn't understand.

reply from: yoda

Everyone should take that "advice", don't you think?
On the other hand, the OP mentions talking about how "mean" other prolifers are. We really ought to abandon that tactic, don't you think?

reply from: ChristianLott2

yeah, lets talk about prolife stuff. it's fun. there must be around 50 subjects we could talk about within it filled with interesting arguments and facts.
as carlin said 'sanctity of life' is completely made up, then let's make it up to be the most wonderful and worthy concept humanity has ever conceived. i'm excited!
is there a web site that categorizes every prolife subject? the only one i can think of is abortionfacts.com, it's index of the 'love them both' book is a very handy online reference.

reply from: 4given

Do you really believe that this thread: http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=4403&enterthread=y or the other half-dozen just like it have any value to the pro-lifers on this board?
They sure as heck aren't posting replies!
Some are calls to action and don't require replies or comments. They are helpful and inspiring for people who want to do something, but might not know where to begin (like me). (thanks for the link)
Agreed.

reply from: 4given

And you think abortion is illegal, and you would kill your "loved ones" if they don't accept your "prolife" views.
Do you think you're a credible witness?
I thought it was you that stated that.

reply from: Faramir

And you think abortion is illegal, and you would kill your "loved ones" if they don't accept your "prolife" views.
Do you think you're a credible witness?
I thought it was you that stated that.
No, I just rephrased what she said about being willing to fight her loved ones to the death over the abortion issue.
I found the contradictions in that statement worthy of satire.

reply from: 4given

I didn't read that, nor did I get that from your post. (the post you were quoted for saying that you would kill your loved one if they did not agree with your "pro-life" views.)

reply from: Banned Member

How many names have you called people Faramir? You have called me a few have you not? You complain about hateful name calling and then use the phrase "hateful SOBs" two lines later. I can only assume that you refer to Me, Yoda, Sander and every other poster here that does not agree with you 100% of the time.
And I am sure that you will call this a hateful attack and use more names. You seem to thrive on the confrotation more than most, especially if you can quote out of context or change the subject. Better to post quality writing than merely throw stones from the sidelines.
Who are the decent and reasonable pro-lifers? The ones who will condescend to "pro-life with exceptions"? Those that are the "tea and chocolate" pro-lifers? I wonder, would these great disciples of truth counsel to imprisoned abortionists while they let the women that seek and pay for abortions walk free?

reply from: Jameberlin

Augustine,
What is your stance on a Catholic woman who has obtained an abortion, and later repents and receives the sacrament of reconciliation? I'm not talking about a woman who obtains an illegal abortion in some hypothetical situation, i'm talking about a Catholic woman in the US who obtains a "legal" abortion today.

reply from: Faramir

Actually, Augustine, when I think of the "hateful SOBs" of this forum I think mainly of "The Three Stooges." I was not thinking of you, though you have made a few hateful comments.
This is an unmoderated forum, and sometimes it is necessary to play rough when the "opposition" insists on dirty pool and relishes in making abusive comments.
Are you one who enjoys seeing faithman continually make abusive comments to CM by calling her "killer carole" and "the killer of three" etc? I have never seen you be a gentleman and stand up against such blatant bullying.
And there are no "tea and chocolate" prolifers here. You have taken something out of context to totally distort the meaning of the outreach to the postabortive woman.
This forum is often derailed simply because of the hatefulness that permeates it.
And those who are most responsible cannot see the trees through the forest.
If you want an example of a decent and reasonable prolfer, you need look no further than fellow Catholic, Fr. Frank Pavone, yet your buddy calls him a traitor and other nasty names, and you prefer to take sides with the mean and abusive instead of with fellow Catholics who are for the most part level-headed and compassionate in their approach to the abortion issue--you being the first exception that I've encountered.
Fr. Pavone is the type of prolifer I choose to see as a model to emulate--not those here who are bent on revenge, and degradation of women.

reply from: Banned Member

If a woman has an abortion and repents, confessing her sin in the sacrament of reconcilliation (confession) than she is reconciled with God. She not only remains in the Church but may receive communion as well. That's not really my "stance". It is the teaching of the Catholic Church.

reply from: Banned Member

Gee, I would have thought that you would have included me in that group. I would like you to name my hateful comments however some time.
Faramir, do you know what you can do when you think that someone has made a hateful comment? Ignore them. As I understand it, faithman's major issue with carolmarie is that he feels she makes distinction between the born and the unborn child. Also that she is against punishment of women would seek illegal abortions. He feels that she is more sympathetic towards the aborting mother rather than the unborn child that has lost their life. I am inclined to agree with his observations.
I respect faithman. I would not always say things the way he does but I think that his work has been immeasurable towards defending the unborn child. If you would spend half as much time supporting his "I Am A Person" efforts as you do condeming his more spontaneous and impassioned remarks you might do the unborn child some good to.
You have mentioned that Father Frank does not support the punishment of women who have abortions. That is his right and as a pastor it is his ministry to bring people to forgiveness with God. That opinion reflects no doctrine of the Church. I am not out of line with Rome based on my legal opinion. Any other kind of murder does not make imprisonment incompatible with reconcilliation. Often both must happen if the person is fully to understand the gravity of what they have done. I have not reccomended any kind of mandatory sentence or even that a sentence would be required depending on the circumstances. I would think it tragic if any women were imprisoned for having an abortion. How I feel is not how I must reckon justice to the unborn. Abortion is a tragedy. Inprisonment would be a tragedy. Everything about abortion is a tragedy.
Pro-life with exceptions however is unacceptable just as pro-choice is completely wrong. I will continue to call people on their openly held beliefs that I feel do injustice to the unborn person.

reply from: Faramir

I have issues with Carolemarie's views about contraception and religion.
But that does not give me the right to throw her abortions in her face when I disagree with her.
Honest disagreement was not the issue. The issue was abusive comments.
Continually calling someone a "killer" is abusive and degrading, and I don't think you should look the other way, and I don't see how you can respect someone who is so hateful and abusive. Do you really think he is showing a love for the babies when he makes those comments? If you do, would you care to send me a PM to discuss a wonderful bridge I would like to sell you?

reply from: Banned Member

You would do better to defend those that have no voice and cannot defend themselves than to defend those that have a voice and can defend themselves and do not.

reply from: Jameberlin

If a woman has an abortion and repents, confessing her sin in the sacrament of reconcilliation (confession) than she is reconciled with God. She not only remains in the Church but may receive communion as well. That's not really my "stance". It is the teaching of the Catholic Church.
Your "stance" should be that of the Catholic Church, it's okay to think what your religion says you should think about some things, it's in no way something to be embarrassed about.
In other words, her sins are wiped away.. they never happened. God is not overlooking them, we're not Calvinists here, they're gone. How beautiful is that?

reply from: Faramir

You would do better to defend those that have no voice and cannot defend themselves than to defend those that have a voice and can defend themselves and do not.
You have just presented a "false dichotomy."
It is not either/or, and one does not preclude the other.
I will not look the other way when someone who is doing good work and who is saving babies from abortion, is despicably degraded. It's true that she can defend herself, but she is outnmubered at least three to one most of the time.
Were you online the night that f'boy and nutsyu kept changing their avatars to match CM's? Do you respect that kind of harrassment? Is that part of what it means to be a good prolifer?
I really don't understand your affinity for the meanspirited of this board, Augustine.

reply from: Banned Member

The above taken at face value I am sure does not sound good at all. I firmly believe in the forgiveness of sins and the sacrament of confession. The Church is right because God is right. I only mean that it is not my "stance" because it is the truth as professed by the Church and I believe in that truth without a doubt.

reply from: Jameberlin

I wonder, if we're taught that you don't necessarily have to be Catholic to be saved, you don't have to be Catholic to be forgiven.
I agree with Faramir, it's not right for us Catholics to condone the abuse of someone who is at terms (made peace) with her past, especially if she's working to save lives now.

reply from: Faramir

F'man has all kinds of justifications for it, and those in his club will never ever say a word against it, because I think for the most part they are enjoying it, besides having their own sneaky ways of sticking the knife in.
It's really disgusting, yet many who I would think would know better, continue to pat them on the back and encourage them.
I don't think that Augustine is as hateful as they are, but he seems to enjoy their company.

reply from: Jameberlin

F'man has all kinds of justifications for it, and those in his club will never ever say a word against it, because I think for the most part they are enjoying it, besides having their own sneaky ways of sticking the knife in.
It's really disgusting, yet many who I would think would know better, continue to pat them on the back and encourage them.
I don't think that Augustine is as hateful as they are, but he seems to enjoy their company.
I think maybe Augustine is conflicted, which is fine for now, he'll sort himself out.

reply from: yoda

Talking to yourself again, carole?

reply from: faithman

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg

reply from: Faramir

Talking to yourself again, carole?
This is a tough one to figure out.
Does he really believe carolemarie is posing as a Catholic under the name of Jameberlin?
Or is this some kind of new fangled harrassing technique, and if so, which one is he harrassing? Could be both, I suppose.
Or is he losing it?

reply from: LolitaOlivia

What about those lovely threads Jason makes trying to sell his crappy drawings? On any other forum that would be spam and promptly deleted by a moderator.

reply from: faithman

Talking to yourself again, carole?
This is a tough one to figure out.
Does he really believe carolemarie is posing as a Catholic under the name of Jameberlin?
Or is this some kind of new fangled harrassing technique, and if so, which one is he harrassing? Could be both, I suppose.
Or is he losing it?
Here is the material http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpgwe sent fartamir at our own exspence, and i good faith that he would put them to use. Seems we waisted our time and resources on a phony who spends more time defending baby killers than the ones they kill.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

A thread need have value to only one prolifer to "have value", and that one obviously does. We need to remind each other of things we consider important from time to time, whether we post on a thread or not.
And like I said, this forum is for prolifers, so you wouldn't understand.
Actually, the website where one enters this forum states, and I quote:
"It's where your voice can be heard and where you can interact with people from all over the world on both sides of the issue." (I added the boldface.)
Sorry, that implies that this forum is NOT for prolifers only. And BTW, "all over the world" includes, at present, about 6 countries.

reply from: faithman

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg

reply from: Faramir

The wrong question has been asked in this thread.
Apparently this forum was derailed and run into the ground a long time ago by The Three Stooges and thier fans.
It's the few sane ones who visit and who can put up with their nonsense who keep it going somewhat.
Or should we all abandon this forum and let the three of them have fun with continual posts like:
"I hate scancs."
"Abortion is illegal."
"Here's the definition of scanc..."
And we can't forget their favorite post:
"~BUMP~"

reply from: faithman

OK liar. Show one post where we said we hate scancs. We don't hate them [even though God does Psalm 5:4,5] We just wished they quit killing womb children. Remeber them? The ones this forum was set up for to help defend? The tool we have used to net work the best personhood material all over the country? The material you made excusses for not using even though we mailed it to you for free? You are a word twisting lying phony, and you prove that fact almost everytime you post.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

If a woman has an abortion and repents, confessing her sin in the sacrament of reconcilliation (confession) than she is reconciled with God. She not only remains in the Church but may receive communion as well. That's not really my "stance". It is the teaching of the Catholic Church.
Your "stance" should be that of the Catholic Church, it's okay to think what your religion says you should think about some things, it's in no way something to be embarrassed about.
In other words, her sins are wiped away.. they never happened. God is not overlooking them, we're not Calvinists here, they're gone. How beautiful is that?
It works the same for non-Catholic Christians, too.

reply from: yoda

Aw gee, now you're being "unreasonable" and "bullying".......

reply from: faithman

If a woman has an abortion and repents, confessing her sin in the sacrament of reconcilliation (confession) than she is reconciled with God. She not only remains in the Church but may receive communion as well. That's not really my "stance". It is the teaching of the Catholic Church.
Your "stance" should be that of the Catholic Church, it's okay to think what your religion says you should think about some things, it's in no way something to be embarrassed about.
In other words, her sins are wiped away.. they never happened. God is not overlooking them, we're not Calvinists here, they're gone. How beautiful is that?
It works the same for non-Catholic Christians, too.
You are talking about church business. But there is also a debt owed to sociaty. Sociaty is to be nutral as to what faith system is applied. But if one kills an innocent, one owes sociaty their life. A jury of 12 decides the punishment, not a backwards collar wearing dude in a dress. This country was started to escape the oppression of such. If one serial kills womb children, one should face the same penalty of those who kills born children, even if they have found "absolution" in any particular faith system. "Ministers" can visit the monsters in jail. I know that is not as galmorous as a luxury office suite, but sometimes "people of faith" need to get their hands dirty, and do real work in real time.

reply from: yoda

It is for the BENEFIT of the prolifers. The owner, Mark Crutcher, wrote extensively on this subject several weeks ago, and the thread is probably still up, a few pages back.
He wrote that he allows proaborts here for the "entertainment and education" of the prolifers here.
He isn't too fond of proaborts.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

It is for the BENEFIT of the prolifers. The owner, Mark Crutcher, wrote extensively on this subject several weeks ago, and the thread is probably still up, a few pages back.
He wrote that he allows proaborts here for the "entertainment and education" of the prolifers here.
He isn't too fond of proaborts.
As I can well imagine! I do hope that pro-lifers can learn something (even while being amused) by the posts from pro-choicers.
What I do know is that we are all children of God and human beings, no matter what we believe. While I remain pro-choice, I have become less so in part due to this forum - meaning that I believe in more limitations on abortions than in the past.
I do continue to glean good information from the more educated and rational posters here, but find it odd that there is so much confrontation between pro-lifers themselves. Having the same goal, I would think that all would believe in the same thing and conduct themselves accordingly. Instead, I see malice, hatred, insults and nastiness from supposed adults.
It's sad, and not conducive to bringing people over to the pro-life point of view.

reply from: yoda

To begin with, being prolife is not something that you talk someone into. It is a conviction that comes from the heart, after being exposed to the facts of elective abortion. That is the only way we can actually help the babies, the rest is up to the hearts of the listeners.
And as to "prolifers" fighting each other, you need to remember that things are not always as they seem. There are prolifers, and then there are $prolifer$.
During every war ever fought, there have been honest differences of opinion, misunderstandings, enemy agents, spies, saboteurs, fifth-column agents, and propagandists. This war is no different from any other.

reply from: nancyu

It is for the BENEFIT of the prolifers. The owner, Mark Crutcher, wrote extensively on this subject several weeks ago, and the thread is probably still up, a few pages back.
He wrote that he allows proaborts here for the "entertainment and education" of the prolifers here.
He isn't too fond of proaborts.
As I can well imagine! I do hope that pro-lifers can learn something (even while being amused) by the posts from pro-choicers.
What I do know is that we are all children of God and human beings, no matter what we believe. While I remain pro-choice, I have become less so in part due to this forum - meaning that I believe in more limitations on abortions than in the past.
I do continue to glean good information from the more educated and rational posters here, but find it odd that there is so much confrontation between pro-lifers themselves. Having the same goal, I would think that all would believe in the same thing and conduct themselves accordingly. Instead, I see malice, hatred, insults and nastiness from supposed adults.
It's sad, and not conducive to bringing people over to the pro-life point of view.
I've learned alot from the pro aborts on this forum. I've heard some outstanding arguments in favor abortion. You know what? The very best of them don't cut butter. There is no justification for murdering an innocent, dependent, defenseless child. There is none.
All we can do is get the information out to the people and hope people with hearts will hear, and act. What gets me and galls me the most are the ones who have all the facts and it doesn't change their point of view by even a hair. They are the ones who are most evil, most uncaring, most selfish of all. I have no hope of winning them over to the pro life side, and I have no intention of making their stay on this forum a comfortable one.
So to anyone who doesn't like "bullying" and "hatefulness", get out, or get on the right side of the fight.

reply from: Faramir

Sorry, but most of us who do not like bullying and hatefulness ARE on the right side of the fight.
We understand that abusiveness is counterproductive and that civility does not mean that we are making friends with anyone or agreeing with the idea of abortion rights.
And we are not so stupid to proclaim that abortion is illegal.

reply from: faithman

Sorry, but most of us who do not like bullying and hatefulness ARE on the right side of the fight.
We understand that abusiveness is counterproductive and that civility does not mean that we are making friends with anyone or agreeing with the idea of abortion rights.
And we are not so stupid to proclaim that abortion is illegal.
you are just plain stupid, and anyone with a lick of sence can see that. You defend killers, and ignore the ones they kill. You project your hatred of others into what is actually said. And all you do is whine and make excusses fore baby killers.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

I can only hope that the ever so charming F***man is typical of a VERY tiny minority of pro-lifers. Considering how many wonderful, thoughtful and considerate pro-lifers I know personally, including most of my extended family, I rest assured that they would not want to be within a country mile of F***man and his absurd babbling.
Actually, I think they would ask him to LEAVE any church, protest, clinic intervention, demonstation, etc. if he opened his mouth and let his filthy hatred spew out. We're pretty tolerant here, but not crazy.

reply from: faithman

Doth says the phony christian baby killer. Just why do you hate womb children so much anyway? Quit projecting your sin of hatred on others.

reply from: Faramir

I've met some hard core prolife activists (in real life), and they are not at all like those who dominate this forum. They are kind and intelligent.
What keeps you from being totally prolife? Do you vote against prolife candidates?
You seem to be very sympathetic to the prolife side of things, and if so, it would have to be because of the injustice to the life in the womb, so why not take it one step further and strive to make it illegal?

reply from: 4given

Oh I see. You followed Faramir over from a Catholic forum? Have you posted here before? You seem to be quite comfortable throwing stones at other posters- Given that you just created the screen name, what other/if any name did you use in the past? How did you find the forum "jameberlin"?

reply from: Banned Member

I should feel honored that efforts to defend the unborn keep this person entertained.

reply from: Faramir

Oh I see. You followed Faramir over from a Catholic forum? Have you posted here before? You seem to be quite comfortable throwing stones at other posters- Given that you just created the screen name, what other/if any name did you use in the past? How did you find the forum "jameberlin"?
I don't have a clue who she is and I doubt she "followed" me here. There are lots of Catholics here who came independently.
But yodavater says she is carolemarie, so you better agree with that or he'll call you a "pro abort" and put you on "iggy."
(I don't think he really believes it, though. I think it is just a new way to harrass her and entertain himself).

reply from: Jameberlin

Talking to yourself again, carole?
OH my word, a conspiracy! I've always wanted to be part of a conspiracy! Neat.
Yoda, you're a "sad, sad little man".

reply from: Faramir

Talking to yourself again, carole?
OH my word, a conspiracy! I've always wanted to be part of a conspiracy! Neat.
Yoda, you're a "sad, sad little man".
That comment probably just earned you an "iggy."
Don't be surprised if his yes men line up and accuse you of being carole as well.
Eventually they and he will realize she is not you, but there will be no admission of error and will be no apology to either of you.
Meanwhile, you might be harshly criticized for daring to protest these false statements about you.
Such is life in this upsidedown forum.
But please stay. I am hoping that sane prolifers can eventually overrun this place, and it will no longer be dominated by the mean and unreasonable.

reply from: Banned Member

How do you derail a pro-life forum?
Try talking about abortion. Works every time

reply from: Jameberlin

Oh I see. You followed Faramir over from a Catholic forum? Have you posted here before? You seem to be quite comfortable throwing stones at other posters- Given that you just created the screen name, what other/if any name did you use in the past? How did you find the forum "jameberlin"?
I don't have a clue who she is and I doubt she "followed" me here. There are lots of Catholics here who came independently.
But yodavater says she is carolemarie, so you better agree with that or he'll call you a "pro abort" and put you on "iggy."
(I don't think he really believes it, though. I think it is just a new way to harrass her and entertain himself).
Oh man, i've been had. I was browsing the internet one day, and i came across this site, which totally doesn't represent my views on abortion or life, and i felt Faramir's essence radiating through my monitor, i fell in love with him then and there, much to the chagrin of my husband, and now have abandoned my life, and dedicate it soley following him around and worshiping the internet he types on.
A note on myself, i found this forum when i was looking up Margaret Sanger. I have used the tag Jameberlin since it was my nickname when i was 13. It's my name for everything. Go ahead, google me, but all you'll find are a bunch of crappy drawings on Deviantart, Sheezy, a profile on CafeMom, and this forum.
Oh and if you do google me, i draw nudes, and use profanity. I have stated before, that i'm not in communion with my faith, although this forum definitely brought me a little closer to it, mostly from having to defend it so much.. Funny, how religion is something you feel the need to defend, even when you're on shaky ground.

reply from: Faramir

I am sorry jameberlin, but yodavater says you are carolemarie so that's how it must be.
Otherwise, if you disagree with him, that means you are a "pro-abort."
I too have drawn nudes--I had one drawing class class in college.
I remember very well the first day we were to have a nude model, and how excited I was about going to THAT particular class. But to my disappointment, the model was a MAN, and a very flabby one at that.

reply from: Jameberlin

Haha, oh man... You know, some nude models are even older ladies... I think it's great to be in a class that teaches the complexity of drawing the human form.
My drawings are mostly tasteless and comic bookish. I draw nudes, because clothes are incredibly difficult, and i draw women because i'm more familiar with the anatomy... But make no mistake, i'm a terrible "artist". I have done a few portraits of my sister's kids, and my (then boyfriend) husband...

reply from: faithman

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/yodavater/IamaPerson2.jpg

reply from: Faramir

The next nude model was a young woman, and after drawing her for three hours, I was quite bored of her. Then after class, I saw her walking down the hall wearing a t shirt, jeans, and boots, and only THEN did I notice how hot she was.
Alas, she is an old lady now. That was 25+ years ago...

reply from: Jameberlin

After a while, the body is just a body... shapes and forms and lines. I don't think it's until you know a person that they're actual beauty and individuality are apparent. Hence why some couples stay married for so long...
25 years ago?! Man, i was hoping you were younger, since i followed you here to profess my undying love for you.

reply from: Faramir

I said the MODEL was 25 years older.
Not ME.

reply from: 4given

Pro 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
Pro 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
Pro 26:12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? [there is] more hope of a fool than of him.

reply from: 4given

Take your foolish ramblings to private please.

reply from: Faramir

Pro 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
Pro 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
Pro 26:12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? [there is] more hope of a fool than of him.
Faramir 1:1 Hangeth around 4given and thou shalt not have many laughs.

reply from: Faramir

Take your foolish ramblings to private please.
How come I can't do foolish ramblings in public like everyone else?

reply from: 4given

Ecclesiates 6 :For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: this also is vanity.
Prov 14:3 KJV In the mouth of the foolish is a rod of pride: but the lips of the wise shall preserve them.

reply from: Faramir

Ecclesiates 6 :For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: this also is vanity.
Prov 14:3 KJV In the mouth of the foolish is a rod of pride: but the lips of the wise shall preserve them.
Faramir 1:2 Humble is the fool who knows he's a fool and who can laugh at himself. Proud and haughty is the person who taketh herself too seriously. She's boring too.

reply from: Jameberlin

haha, you are ageless are you?

reply from: Jameberlin

Take your foolish ramblings to private please.
4given, i thought this topic was about how to derail a pro-life post? Faramir and i were only showing by example.

reply from: Faramir

haha, you are ageless are you?
In my mind.
I think of myself as a perpetual 35 until a mirror reminds me otherwise. Or is even 35 old to you?

reply from: Jameberlin

haha, you are ageless are you?
In my mind.
I think of myself as a perpetual 35 until a mirror reminds me otherwise. Or is even 35 old to you?
Ahh, the old, Dorian Grey approach to age. 35 isn't old to me, in fact, i don't really think of any age as being "old" just different. I'm a firm believer it's humor and wit that keep us young (although, i actually happen to be young).

reply from: Faramir

Keep your humor and wit off this board, or someone will thump you on the head with their bible and tell you it's evil to laugh.
Have you read The Picture of Dorian Grey?
It's one of my favorites.

reply from: Jameberlin

I haven't actually, but i have been meaning to. I know the gist of the story...
It's okay, they can thump me with the Bible all they want, i have a hard head.... if it were the Encyclopedia Britannica, though, maybe i'd have a problem.

reply from: 4given

Ecclesiates 6 :For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: this also is vanity.
Prov 14:3 KJV In the mouth of the foolish is a rod of pride: but the lips of the wise shall preserve them.
Faramir 1:2 Humble is the fool who knows he's a fool and who can laugh at himself. Proud and haughty is the person who taketh herself too seriously. She's boring too.
Boring as opposed to condemned.. I will take it. I don't find your postings and Jamebersomethings to be of value. Abortion is a joke to you- that has been established, as well as your need to have a "club". Laughter is good. Abortion is serious. Take it to private.

reply from: Faramir

Ecclesiates 6 :For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: this also is vanity.
Prov 14:3 KJV In the mouth of the foolish is a rod of pride: but the lips of the wise shall preserve them.
Faramir 1:2 Humble is the fool who knows he's a fool and who can laugh at himself. Proud and haughty is the person who taketh herself too seriously. She's boring too.
Boring as opposed to condemned.. I will take it. I don't find your postings and Jamebersomethings to be of value. Abortion is a joke to you- that has been established, as well as your need to have a "club". Laughter is good. Abortion is serious. Take it to private.
I think you misunderstand me, then. Abortion is no joke.
But this thread is a joke.
And your self-righteousness, preachiness, and hypocricy are wearing thin.
When you speak out against the harrasment, abuse, and bullying your buddies inflict on others in the name of the babies, I might be inclined to take you seriously.
But until then, your suggestion to "take it to private" is meaningless to me, and I suggest you file it some place that has never seen daylight.

reply from: yoda

Sometimes, "plain and simple" can be boring..... but it's still the best in the long run.
Give me boring any day over what passes for being $prolife$ on this forum.

reply from: Faramir

Is yodavater still calling you "carole" btw?

reply from: carolemarie

Sometimes, "plain and simple" can be boring..... but it's still the best in the long run.
Give me boring any day over what passes for being $prolife$ on this forum.
As Faithman points out---you don't have to stay if you don't like it.

reply from: Jameberlin

Is yodavater still calling you "carole" btw?
I don't know, and don't really care. Carole is doing good work and trying to save lives... so it wouldn't bother me if he were, i support her efforts to end abortion.
I'd like to point out, it takes a lot more effort to type "Jamebersomething" than "Jameberlin", but i guess that's like.... how it takes so many more muscles to frown than to smile... some people are addicted to the effort involved in disliking people.

reply from: Faramir

So then yodavater has not admitted to his error or apologized for it.
That is one more example of how he derails this forum--by going off on personal attacks like that, and chasing away decent new people. I think he prefers to keep this a small club of only those who kiss up to him.
I was singled out as well when I came to this forum and was accused of being some other poster. He was extremely harrassive, and then when he was done, put me on "iggy," but continued to take pot shots at me.
Besides being annoying, it is counterproductive to continually harrass those on the same side of the issue. But that is the fruit of arrogance.

reply from: Jameberlin

No, he didn't, and i don't expect or ask for apologies. I wasn't really offended anyway, since it's hardly something to get all worked up about. Like i said before, i support carole's efforts to save lives, if anything, she should be offended for being accused of being me.
I suspect the harassment is a form of entertainment for some.

reply from: Jameberlin

what's "iggy" anyway?

reply from: yoda

Wherever did you get the idea I don't like it here?

reply from: Faramir

You would think she would be praised and encouraged in her good work, since she is one of the few prolifers on this forum who is ACTUALLY SAVING BABIES.
Instead, she is run through the wringer every day, called a "killer," called a "phony" (by the self appointed forum leader and top derailer), and otherwise is knocked around, all in the name of "the babies," which is horse manure. It's for their own cheap thrills.
Anyway, it's nice that someone reasonable and decent like you has come to this forum, but for that reason, you will be a target and the nasties and crazies will try to run you off. It won't be long before you are called a "pro abort" or a "phony" unless you kiss up to the right people.
Anyway, where were we?
Are you currently working on any art projects?

reply from: Faramir

That's yodavater's pet name for his favorite feature of this forum.
It's the "ignore" button. He can't see your posts, and will not communicate with you, but he will still take cheap shots at you.
If you disagree with him, you will likey be put on ingore, unless he can get something out of it. He doesn't put carolemarie on ignore, because he bullies her, but if gets bored of it, she is destined for "iggyland" too.

reply from: Jameberlin

I am, actually.
I'm doing a piece for a friend who requested a penguin (what the heck?) so i'm attempting to do something along the lines of an indignant child dresses as a penguin instead, since, i don't really do penguins.
I'm also trying to work up some sketches of my son ("Mommy's Little Monster") going through some neat developmental stages.

reply from: Faramir

That's fine if you're cool with it, but you'd think a decent person would admit the error and apoligize on his own. Especially one who seems to be concerned about "derailment," since false accusations like that are counterproductive and take the focus away from the issue.

reply from: Jameberlin

You would think that, but pride is a hard pill to swallow. In fact, i don't think pride is a pill meant to be swallowed, rather a large and uncomfortable suppository.

reply from: yoda

What a fascinating conversation........

reply from: faithman

Rather anal I would say.

reply from: 4given

Such disrespect. Your comments go too far. I pity you. You don't see the nastiness you portray. You accuse others of being hateful, yet fail to realize how often you have crossed the line. Why do you suppose that is Faramir?

reply from: 4given

Don't flatter yourself. And you are right. I could have saved a lot for time with the changing of one letter.

reply from: faithman

Such disrespect. Your comments go too far. I pity you. You don't see the nastiness you portray. You accuse others of being hateful, yet fail to realize how often you have crossed the line. Why do you suppose that is Faramir?
OH!!! So ole farty gets mad when someone "picks" on a baby killer, but talks really bad to one of the most respectible women on this forum? One who has never sold herself on the street, nor killed children and bragged about it? And I am anti woman? Go figure....

reply from: Faramir

Such disrespect. Your comments go too far. I pity you. You don't see the nastiness you portray. You accuse others of being hateful, yet fail to realize how often you have crossed the line. Why do you suppose that is Faramir?
OH!!! So ole farty gets mad when someone "picks" on a baby killer, but talks really bad to one of the most respectible women on this forum? One who has never sold herself on the street, nor killed children and bragged about it? And I am anti woman? Go figure....
We know. She has made it clear how virtuous and humble she is.

reply from: Jameberlin

I think he gets upset when one person is being picked on more than the others.
I get upset when Carole is picked on, i get upset when Vexing is picked on, these people seem to be the target of hateful speech more often than not, and you know... there are people on here like Rosalie who completely fail to see any reason or light at the end of this long tunnel... yet no one calls her out but CP, who is also routinely bashed into the ground.
And 4given is respectable? All she does is defend you to a fault, and make a point about trying to put me in my "place". I have never sold my body on the street, and i have never killed, and all she can think to do is try and belittle me for a statement i made which she took out of context and perverted into something completely different. Yet i don't call her out on it, i just answer her questions and leave it at that.
Even today i tried to put some good news on this hate ridden forum, and the only one of you who bothered to say anything good about it was Yoda.
You people are ridiculous.

reply from: Faramir

4given looks the other way every time faithman engages in his verbal molestation, and in fact often praises him.
She has a share in the guilt of it.
She does not reprimand the verbal molestor, but does reprimand someone for trying to stop it.
That is very odd, and very hypocritical.
No hatred in that statment--just fact.

reply from: nancyu

There are those guilty of killing or manslaughter, and then there are those guilty of cold blooded murder. If you don't like it, you should fight to completely outlaw abortion so women such as cm can get a fair trial instead of the little court of public opinion we have on this forum.

reply from: 4given

Such disrespect. Your comments go too far. I pity you. You don't see the nastiness you portray. You accuse others of being hateful, yet fail to realize how often you have crossed the line. Why do you suppose that is Faramir?
OH!!! So ole farty gets mad when someone "picks" on a baby killer, but talks really bad to one of the most respectible women on this forum? One who has never sold herself on the street, nor killed children and bragged about it? And I am anti woman? Go figure....
We know. She has made it clear how virtuous and humble she is.
Again with the nastiness. From the abundance of the heart the mouth dost speak.

reply from: Faramir

There are those guilty of killing or manslaughter, and then there are those guilty of cold blooded murder. If you don't like it, you should fight to completely outlaw abortion so women such as cm can get a fair trial instead of the little court of public opinion we have on this forum.
I found a red marble today nancyu.
Is it one of yours?

reply from: galen

CM has been her own judge and jury and executioner.... you need to give that one a rest and notice the good things she is doing, they may be diffrent from yours nancy but they do just as much good in this time and space.

reply from: 4given

I wouldn't expect that you would respect me, just as you have shown me that you are not worthy of respect yourself. All I do, huh? How long have you been on the forum? I didn't "pervert" what you stated. I repeated it. Who are "you people"?

reply from: nancyu

Please tell me what it was in my post that was offensive to CM?

reply from: 4given

I know it is hard for you, that I am actually willing to call you out for how hypocritical you are. I don't "share guilt". We are all solely accountable before God. I give each poster the respect of addressing them personally. At most I try to. You have proven that you find your strength in speaking about posters, rather than addressing them personally. You are weak.

reply from: All4Life

As a bystander reading along with y'all, I must say the one that claims so much abuse is the one with the filthiest things to say. If I were catholic I would be embarassed to be associated with someone that speaks publicly like Faramir. I wonder what your priest would say if I were to show him the posts that you make here. Or YOUR mom, since you had the complete indecency to make a remark about someone else's mom. Faramir, you wear your catholicism like a badge, and yet from the abundance of the heart the mouth doth speak. And 4given, since the real men seem to be busy at the moment, I'll extend an apology for the filth you've been assaulted with. It's a shame to see supposed adults speaking like this, and an even bigger shame to see such a lack of basic human decency. And yes Faramir, I already know your reply, and it'll involve throwing another insult at someone else, probably even me, but that's alright, I forgive you.

reply from: carolemarie

It would probably be a good idea if everyone tried to not attack each other. We can disagree without calling names. In other words, attack the idea or point out what is bothering you about it.
There is no need to be nasty when you don't need to be. Especially the prolifers! Jesus didn't say we get to hate our enemies, but rather to bless them. I apologize for responding in kind to people who get under my skin, such as Nancy, Faithman and Sandler, and Yoda if he thinks I am mean to him as well. I may dislike your ideas or remarks, but I shouldn't treat you rudely.
The whole idea of a non moderated board hinges on a group of people who behave civially with each other. If we can't control our post, how do we expect others to control their hormones?
I suggest we let it go and move on to something productive.

reply from: Faramir

I know it is hard for you, that I am actually willing to call you out for how hypocritical you are. I don't "share guilt". We are all solely accountable before God. I give each poster the respect of addressing them personally. At most I try to. You have proven that you find your strength in speaking about posters, rather than addressing them personally. You are weak.
You, 4given, are a hypocrite and a meanspirited person. You are preachy and judgemental. You praise and pat on the back a man who is vicious and who verbally degrades, and you are protective of him when he and his supporters are called on it. You do share in the guilt of the disgraceful verbal beatings carolemarie suffers here because you are an enabler and witness who sits on her hands instead of helping.
There is your respect of addressing you personally.

reply from: 4given

I know it is hard for you, that I am actually willing to call you out for how hypocritical you are. I don't "share guilt". We are all solely accountable before God. I give each poster the respect of addressing them personally. At most I try to. You have proven that you find your strength in speaking about posters, rather than addressing them personally. You are weak.
You, 4given, are a hypocrite and a meanspirited person. You are preachy and judgemental. You praise and pat on the back a man who is vicious and who verbally degrades, and you are protective of him when he and his supporters are called on it. You do share in the guilt of the disgraceful verbal beatings carolemarie suffers here because you are an enabler and witness who sits on her hands instead of helping.
There is your respect of addressing you personally.
Enabler, huh? Yep. I have been sending him messages via morse code.. that must explain the typographical/spelling errors.
And you are both a liar and a fool. We can continue on. I am not impressed by you. It isn't about "verbal beatings" suffered by another poster, as much as it is your complex over your own insecureties and need to hero up. I respect Carole for what she has done. This isn't about her. You use Carole as an excuse to degrade and harrass other posters you don't agree with.

reply from: 4given

Yeah.. Where are the "real men"? Lack of human decency comes with the territory here. Many just want to put on a show. It is quite sad actually.

reply from: galen

Please tell me what it was in my post that was offensive to CM?
_______________________________________________________
the whole bit about her getting a fair trial....
i think that has run its course... you an others have stated you opinions of her ad nauseum... IMO you all need to move on .

reply from: Jameberlin

Nancy, i do fight to make abortion illegal. I vote in every election, i speak out against abortion, i attend conventions, volunteered at a pro-life clinic, give funds.... I do all this in the hopes that this atrocity will end, if and when it does end, though, it's highly unlikely that our government will choose to prosecute any of the abortions obtained "legally" before that point, so Carole will never be punished by our judiciary system. Ever.
4given, you did take my quote out of context, said nothing when i attempted to clear up the misunderstanding, and brought it up in another unrelated thread (rudely, and with a condescending tone, i might add) which i had started, saying what my stance on what it was to be pro-life. Apparently i don't have the authority on this forum to state my opinion, or defend myself, but i continue on...
I'm not the best person, i'm vain, prideful and outspoken to a fault. I often say stupid things, give misinformation and stick my foot in my mouth, but i am not above admitting this, and i am not above calling people out when i see injustices. You may not respect me, and that's fine, i don't need your respect.
Carole, you're right, this has gone on entirely too long. If you say so, i'll stop.
Faramir,
We did it. We successfully derailed a pro-life forum. You know how it goes, learn one, do one, teach one.

reply from: nancyu

then 14 minutes later.....
Just gotta love these most sincere and heartfelt apologies.

reply from: carolemarie

I think it is great you do so much.
And yes, this has gone on and on and on, and I think it's time to just simply ignore the slurs. I promise not to get my feelings hurt and you don't have to defend me, although I did appreciate it

reply from: carolemarie

Nancy, I wasn't trying to be mean, I mean that I will not attack you back. That doesn't mean I don't think the post were hateful or nasty or hurtful. But I can choose to not do it back.
I was asking others to join me in this. Not trying to dig at you. I am sorry if you took it that way.

reply from: 4given

Actually, i said it. I said it in a response to a picture of a pregnant woman who had "MY BABY IS PRO-CHOICE" written on her belly.
By impose, i meant FORCE. I would NEVER, and i COULD NEVER FORCE another person to accept MY MORAL VALUES.
I never said i wouldn't teach my moral values, or guide my children with their moral values, i meant i would never IMPOSE my moral values, or CLAIM TO KNOW WHAT MY CHILD WILL THINK WHEN THEY ARE ADULTS.
You took what i said out of context, didn't bother to understand why i said it, and perverted it to mean something completely different.
Your selective intelligence astounds me.
vomit.

reply from: faithman

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