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ABORTION IS LEGAL

you can't deny the facts

by: jujujellybean

abortion is legal.
saying it isn't won't make it go away.
the supreme court shouldn't have made it that way, but they did.
it's sad.
it's a terrible practice.
it shouldn't be that way.
but it is.
it IS legal, otherwise, we wouldn't be discussing it on a forum, would we?

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Clap clap clap! (not syphillus, applause!)

reply from: carolemarie

Is it getting on your nerves too Juju??
I keep saying ignore it to myself, but it is so PROVOKINGLY annoying!

reply from: sander

How rude of you, Juju.
Another poster here has a different view, so that's cause for you to start a thread so she can be mocked?
I thought you were kinder and brighter, maybe you're just having a bad day.

reply from: Banned Member

Pope John Paul the Great
The doctrine on the necessary conformity of civil law with the moral law is in continuity with the whole tradition of the Church. This is clear once more from John XXIII's Encyclical: "Authority is a postulate of the moral order and derives from God. Consequently, laws and decrees enacted in contravention of the moral order, and hence of the divine will, can have no binding force in conscience...; indeed, the passing of such laws undermines the very nature of authority and results in shameful abuse". This is the clear teaching of Saint Thomas Aquinas, who writes that "human law is law inasmuch as it is in conformity with right reason and thus derives from the eternal law. But when a law is contrary to reason, it is called an unjust law; but in this case it ceases to be a law and becomes instead an act of violence". And again: "Every law made by man can be called a law insofar as it derives from the natural law. But if it is somehow opposed to the natural law, then it is not really a law but rather a corruption of the law".
In the case of an intrinsically unjust law, such as a law permitting abortion or euthanasia, it is therefore never licit to obey it, or to "take part in a propaganda campaign in favour of such a law, or vote for it"
God's commandments teach us the way of life. The negative moral precepts, which declare that the choice of certain actions is morally unacceptable, have an absolute value for human freedom: they are valid always and everywhere, without exception.

reply from: yoda

legal
. adjective 1 of, based on, or required by the law. 2 permitted by law.
The SCOTUS does not make law, juju. They decide whether laws are constitutional or not. So far, I don't think we have a national law that says abortion is "legal". Just a few SCOTUS decisions, which are not laws.
Abortion is permitted because of those SCOTUS decisions. That does not give it the status of a "law".
You would do well to refrain from attacking other prolifer's tactics of fighting abortion, even if you don't agree with them, and concentrate on developing your own. You help only the proabort side by such attacks.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

LOL
I was in a goofy mood last night!

reply from: Faramir

How rude of you, Juju.
Another poster here has a different view, so that's cause for you to start a thread so she can be mocked?
I thought you were kinder and brighter, maybe you're just having a bad day.
Her post was not the slightest bit rude and your reprimand was way out of line.
It is EXTREMELY frustrating to see a prolifer continually say that "abortion is illegal" and see many of the regular posters here act as if that is a normal statement and not challenge her on it.
Juju is simply pointing out the obvious--that the emperor is not wearing any clothes.
As I see it nancyu is in "the clique" and none of them will ever question each other, regardless of how nasty or stupid the statements they make.
Thank you juju, for making this post and helping to bring some sanity back back to this forum.

reply from: Faramir

Abortion is effectively legal and if it were not, you could call the cops and get people arrested and abortion clinics would be shut down.
Don't let yodavater intimidate you with his favorite tactic, juju. If anyone goes against "the clique" they are a "pro abort" or a "pro abort" sympathizer.
Nancyu has gone off the deep end and SHOULD be called on it. It does not hurt the babies that you stated the obvious, though the clique may try to guilt you that it does.
And note that your statment was called an "attack," which it ridiculous.

reply from: sander

faramir, just shut up, for once, just shut up.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

You want to silence the truth? Are you a pro-choicer now?

reply from: sander

You want to silence the truth? Are you a pro-choicer now?
Listen, newbie, just butt out.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

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reply from: RecoveringRepublican

Abortion is not "legal," has never been, is not now and never will be because abortion is always murder, God says murder is wrong and what contradicts God's Law can never be "legal" -- never. Man-made "laws" that contradict God's Law are not "law." Period. End of discussion.
John Lofton, Editor, TheAmericanView.com
JLof@aol.com

reply from: LiberalChiRo

There's a lot of new people...
We're not talking about God's law here, Recover. We're talking about American law.

reply from: RecoveringRepublican

God's Law is above man-made law. As the late Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. pointed out in his "LETTER FROM BIRMINGHAM JAIL" (April 16, 1963) -- emphasis mine:

MY DEAR FELLOW CLERGYMEN:
You express a great deal of anxiety over our willingness to break laws. This is certainly a legitimate concern. Since we so diligently urge people to obey the Supreme Court's decision of 1954 outlawing segregation in the public schools, at first glance it may seem rather paradoxical for us consciously to break laws. One may want to ask: "How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?" The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that "an unjust law is no law at all"
Now, what is the difference between the two? How does one determine whether a law is just or unjust? A just law is a man-made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law. To put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas: An unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal .law and natural law....
Of course, there is nothing new about this kind of civil disobedience. It was evidenced sublimely in the refusal of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego to obey the laws of Nebuchadnezzar, on the ground that a higher moral law was at stake. It was practiced superbly by the early Christians, who were willing to face hungry lions and the excruciating pain of chopping blocks rather than submit to certain unjust laws of the Roman Empire....
We should never forget that everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was "legal" ....
But though I was initially disappointed at being categorized as an extremist, as I continued to think about the matter I gradually gained a measure of satisfaction from the label. Was not Jesus an extremist for love: "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you." Was not Amos an extremist for justice: "Let justice roll down like waters and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream." Was not Paul an extremist for the Christian gospel: "I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus." Was not Martin Luther an extremist: "Here I stand; I cannot do otherwise, so help me God." And John Bunyan: "I will stay in jail to the end of my days before I make a butchery of my conscience."....

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Not everyone is Christian so you CANNOT make laws based solely off of Christianity and expect other people to follow them. What if a Pagan law made it through congress that said you HAD to do something that was against your beliefs? That wouldn't be fair, would it?
Just because you believe your God is superior doesn't mean everyone else feels that way, and it doesn't give you the right to make laws based off of His will. It doesn't give you the right to force others to follow His laws. God wants us to COME to him, not to be forced to follow against our will.

reply from: RecoveringRepublican

God's Law applies to everyone. All of us will stand before God to give an account of our lives and for every idle word out of our respective mouths. You don't have to believe in Hell to go there.

reply from: RecoveringRepublican

The SCOTUS does not make law, juju. They decide whether laws are constitutional or not. So far, I don't think we have a national law that says abortion is "legal". Just a few SCOTUS decisions, which are not laws. Abortion is permitted because of those SCOTUS decisions. That does not give it the status of a "law"q]
Amen! Exactly! Courts do not make law. Only legislatures make law. And if "laws" are made that contradict God's Law then they are not valid laws (Bible, St. Augustine, Aquinas, Blackstone, many others.)

reply from: RecoveringRepublican

Right. Try using that as a defense in a man made court....
Don't care what Godless man-made courts say. Care what God says. What God says is what matters. They had man-made courts in Hitler's Germany. Didn't work out very well for the God-haters. The Thousand-year Reich fell a few centuries short. Might be a lesson there....for those with any discernment....

reply from: RecoveringRepublican

Who's God? Are Muslim's only required to obey Islamic law? Hindu's only to obey the laws of their gods? Oh, right, some of you think everyone should be held accountable to your interpretation of Christian law....You would ban homosexuality, porn, premarital sex, some even caffeine, nicotine, and alcohol, all based on your understanding of "God's law."
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" (From the U.S. Constitution)
"My kingdom is not of this world." (Jesus Christ, from the Christian Bible)
Only one true God, the God of the Bible - God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. "Kingdom" Scripture means only that Christ's Kingdom did not originate in this world, not that it is not to apply to this world.

reply from: nancyu

I'm glad there are some with good sense and a conscience who agree with me.
Some say abortion is legal.
I say...
An unborn child is a person
it is illegal to murder persons

reply from: RecoveringRepublican

Wrong! If man's law contradicts God's Law, it applies to no one! -- because laws that contradict God's Law are not law.

reply from: Jameberlin

hahaha! This made me giggle.

reply from: Jameberlin

God's Law applies to everyone. All of us will stand before God to give an account of our lives and for every idle word out of our respective mouths. You don't have to believe in Hell to go there.
You don't have to believe in Heaven to go their either.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

LOL
Gonorrhea, not syphilis, is commonly referred to as "the clap." I believe the slang term is derived from an antiquated method of removing the puss from the male organ...I'll spare you the details.
Yeah, I've heard about the process. Sounds very painful! XD Sorry I had the wrong disease. The point was that I wasn't talking about the STD, I was talking about applause.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

God's Law applies to everyone. All of us will stand before God to give an account of our lives and for every idle word out of our respective mouths. You don't have to believe in Hell to go there.
You don't have to believe in Heaven to go their either.
According to extremists, you do. Not only do you have to believe in heaven, you MUST know about Jesus and believe his is your savior. That means every single person who dies before learning about and accepting Jesus is going to hell (apparently), no matter how good they are. But serial killers can go to heaven if they accept Jesus on their death bed. Somehow, I believe God has a better sense of justice than that.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Gross trivia!! lol!! XD

reply from: Jameberlin

So, by God's Law, abortion is illegal, i think any of us who are pro-life Christians can agree.
By mans law, however, abortion in the US within certain parameters in certain states is legal.
However, this is not a law we are obligated to vote in favor of, nor is it a law we are required to follow. This isn't a red light, we don't get ticketed if we don't stop. I don't recall the last case of some woman being thrown into jail for choosing not to have an abortion.
Yes, it's wrong, yes, it's unjust. Who are we though, to play God and judge and punish those who may or may not know what it is they are doing (and believe me, many women don't know)?
If a person commits a sin in ignorance, are we not taught that they are not culpable? Likewise, if a person commits a sin with full knowledge and willful intent, and it causes others to sin, are they not culpable for the sins of both?
I suggest we take some time to examine the likelihood of our own condemnation before we start burning witches at the steak for a sin that may or may not have been committed out of ignorance.
Anyway, back to the topic...
YES, by MAN'S law in the US, which has taken EXTREME MEASURES to make certain that we have a separation of CHURCH and STATE, abortion is LEGAL.
I don't think the story of Meshach, Schadrach and Abednego really applies here either, no one is forcing anyone to worship false idols, no one is forcing anyone to burn in a furnace for their unwillingness to comply.
The Romans burnt and maimed and murdered Christians for their belief in God, but did the Christians cut the Romans down while they lay in their beds? NO. They PRAYED for God's forgiveness, and offered their own.
Perhaps the best way for us to overcome this issue, is to pray to God, that He may make it possible to open the eyes of the ignorant, the unjust and the misinformed.
Christians, and non-Christians alike.

reply from: yoda

Why do you equate the enforcement of criminal laws with "playing God"?
And where are these women who don't know what they're doing when they have an abortion? Kindergarten?

reply from: Jameberlin

God's Law applies to everyone. All of us will stand before God to give an account of our lives and for every idle word out of our respective mouths. You don't have to believe in Hell to go there.
You don't have to believe in Heaven to go their either.
According to extremists, you do. Not only do you have to believe in heaven, you MUST know about Jesus and believe his is your savior. That means every single person who dies before learning about and accepting Jesus is going to hell (apparently), no matter how good they are. But serial killers can go to heaven if they accept Jesus on their death bed. Somehow, I believe God has a better sense of justice than that.
I have known extremists and what they believe, so i agree with you there. I was just stating my opinion on my faith and my God (since they seem to be two different beings in this case). I find it difficult, to believe in a God who is all too forgiving of child molesters and rapists who repent before death, but who refuses to see the good in the life of a just non-believer.
My God loves everyone equally, and forgives equally, like many, many other Christian's God.
Does anyone remember the last book in the Narnia Chronicles? I thought it had a particularly beautiful end....

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Why do you equate the enforcement of criminal laws with "playing God"?
And where are these women who don't know what they're doing when they have an abortion? Kindergarten?
Many women on pro-life speak-out sites talk about how they had no idea what the abortion would be like or what their baby looked like. Many discuss how they were lied to and told it was just a "blob of flesh" and were horrified to see body parts. But you are too callous and uncaring for the demonic women to give a shizz.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

I never read it, but I do agree with your views on God

reply from: Jameberlin

Why do you equate the enforcement of criminal laws with "playing God"?
And where are these women who don't know what they're doing when they have an abortion? Kindergarten?
We are not called to enforce God's law on those who do not believe. We are not here to pick and choose who we will punish. Is punishment for sins not reserved for God alone? That is where you are playing God.
I am assuming (which may be false, i know) that you're a man, since you are obviously unfamiliar with the lies and mis-information being fed to young women these days regarding their fertility and the growth and development of a human embryo. It's a terrible mistake to assume that everyone meets some standard level of knowledge.

reply from: Faramir

The income tax is illegal.
You no longer have to pay income tax. It's an illegal tax.
I've just saved everyone here a lot of money.
Don't pay your income tax anymore. And if the IRS knocks on your door, just tell them that the income tax is illegal, and they'll go away and leave you alone.

reply from: Jameberlin

YES! YES! I've be WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO TELL ME THIS!!!
And if the IRS comes to my door, may i have permission to flog them for trying to enforce a fake law? Hey man, i'm just doing God's will, 'cause, you know... i totally know EXACTLY what God is thinking.
Okay, maybe that's a little harsh, but my point still stands.

reply from: Faramir

I just got off the phone with an executive from Planned Parenthood.
I told her that abortion is illegal.
She said "whoops."
But she thanked me for letting her know, and told me to express her gratitude to nancyu and her enablers, who are responsible for revealing this oversight. They will be stopping all abortion activities, and will stop recommending abortion to clients.
To think that we've been fretting about abortion for no reason.
It's illegal. All we have to do is let everyone know, and in a very short time, all abortions will stop.

reply from: Jameberlin

yeah, except those pesky illegal abortions which actually maim and kill the women too... hey! I know, we can make doing something illegal, illegal! Problem solved.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

hahah XD You guys are making me laugh XD

reply from: jujujellybean

How rude of you, Juju.
Another poster here has a different view, so that's cause for you to start a thread so she can be mocked?
I thought you were kinder and brighter, maybe you're just having a bad day.
I was not in the least trying to be rude. If someone else had made such an outlandish statement, they would have already been nailed to the cross several times over. The fact that no one says anything about nancyu's saying it irks me.
If I recall, other people have done threads with people's name as the title, telling them to state their views and they end up getting mocked or tortured.
that was not the purpose of this thread. I do not want anyone mocked. But as you can see by the overwhelming responses, many people believe the same.
And like I said, I was not trying to be unkind. I was pointing out the fallacy in her statement, because this is something that always ends up tripping up conversations.

reply from: cracrat

I presume this is an American only thread, since we British actually have an act of parliament permitting abortion...

reply from: Jameberlin

it's probably predominantly American, since it's found on prolifeamerica.com. I know of at least one Canadian, and now a Brit... so i wouldn't say it's American only

reply from: Faramir

Good grief, if making a statement that "abortion is legal" is "rude" then we're all in trouble. (And of course is WASN'T rude when nancyu called you a "jerk" and told you to take a "long walk of a shor pier." You apparently are not in the clique, so whatever they say to outsiders is fine).
It irks me too that not one person in "the clique" dared to say anything at all like, "um...nancyu, maybe you might want to reconsider that statement."
Instead, they not only let it go, but justify it, and if anyone with a brain and common sense questions it, then they are acting like a "pro abort."
WEIRD!!!!!

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Abortion is legal in America too. We just have a few nut-cases on this forum who think it's not. We're pretty sure their brains are stuck pre-1970.

reply from: jujujellybean

Good grief, if making a statement that "abortion is legal" is "rude" then we're all in trouble. (And of course is WASN'T rude when nancyu called you a "jerk" and told you to take a "long walk of a shor pier." You apparently are not in the clique, so whatever they say to outsiders is fine).
Seriously, if we can't state the obvious facts, we are in deep doo doo. I thought pro aborts were the only ones allowed to distort the truth and reality?
And yes. I simply post a thread stating the truth and I get jumped on for 'mocking' someone, when no one told Nancy it was rude to call me a little brat clone. Does anyone else here see a pattern?
It irks me too that not one person in "the clique" dared to say anything at all like, "um...nancyu, maybe you might want to reconsider that statement."
Instead, they not only let it go, but justify it, and if anyone with a brain and common sense questions it, then they are acting like a "pro abort."
WEIRD!!!!!
Yup.

reply from: lukesmom

What DID I miss while on vacation!
Yes, abortion is legal per some different countries "law" dispite the fact that it is morally wrong to take a human life per human AND several different kinds of religious laws. Thus it is legalized murder. Can everyone (prolifers that is) agree with this?

reply from: jujujellybean

LOL quite a bit!
Apparently, abortion is illegal...and we have been disputing it.

reply from: nancyu

Why would you dispute it? I can understand pro choice, who doesn't see the unborn as person would believe it i s legal. They are just sucking out tissue. There is nothing illegal about that is there.
I know that the unborn are persons who are supposed to be protected by the 14th amendment of the Constitution. I also believe in that little Commandment "Thou Shalt Not Murder" Therefore laws supporting abortion are illegal laws, in my opinion.

reply from: jujujellybean

Why would you dispute it? I can understand pro choice, who doesn't see the unborn as person would believe it i s legal. They are just sucking out tissue. There is nothing illegal about that is there.
I know that the unborn are persons who are supposed to be protected by the 14th amendment of the Constitution. I also believe in that little Commandment "Thou Shalt Not Murder" Therefore laws supporting abortion are illegal laws, in my opinion.
YOUR opinion has nothing to do with reality. In my opinion there are goats falling from the sky and landing on their feet with bells on them. Is that true? Of course not.
Like I said, THERE IS SUCH A THING AS LEGALIZED MURDER; abortion is just that. the two laws may seem contradictory, but to those of us who understand that abortion kills a child, it is legalized murder.

reply from: yoda

Why do you equate the enforcement of criminal laws with "playing God"?
And where are these women who don't know what they're doing when they have an abortion? Kindergarten?
Many women on pro-life speak-out sites talk about how they had no idea what the abortion would be like or what their baby looked like. Many discuss how they were lied to and told it was just a "blob of flesh" and were horrified to see body parts. But you are too callous and uncaring for the demonic women to give a shizz.
How was your reply in any way responsive to my post?

reply from: yoda

Why do you equate the enforcement of criminal laws with "playing God"?
And where are these women who don't know what they're doing when they have an abortion? Kindergarten?
We are not called to enforce God's law on those who do not believe.
I asked about "criminal laws", not God's law.
The typical woman (or man) growing up in this society knows that pregnant women have babies in their abdomens, and that an aboriton kills that baby. It's common knowledge, actually. Any reference to "blobs" are meaningless, since everyone knows a baby is not a blob.
No one actually believes the lies of the proaborts and baby killers, everyone knows that they are only for providing a sham of an excuse for someone who already has made up their mind to kill their baby.

reply from: Jameberlin

We (Americans) live in a country that takes extreme measures to separate Church (Christianity) and State. In a country where God's laws do not matter to those who do not believe, abortion is legal. Secular law in America states ABORTION IS LEGAL. WHAT WAS THE POINT IN ROE v. WADE IF NOT TO MAKE ABORTION LEGAL?
I think pretty much everyone can agree, by secular law in the United States, abortion and capitol punishment are legal, along with removal of life support without the consent of the individual.
Conversely suicide and assisted suicide are considered illegal, even when the person wants to die, they won't let them!! Is this not a violation of the right to privacy according to the constitution?
I think it's funny, how people cite the constitution, as if that will somehow make their argument more relevant or true.
Here are some hypocrisies that were practiced by those who wrote the constitution:
All men are created equal... as long as they're men, white and land owners.
We have the right to bear arms... unless you're a slave, Chinese worker or an Indian.
We have the right to freedom of religion(!) unless, of course, your religion doesn't coincide with traditional protestant Christian ideals (anyone remember Joseph Smith?).
We have a right to freedom of speech... as long as what you say doesn't upset the sensibilities of the general public, otherwise you'll end up in jail.
I know the constitution and all it's pretty amendments sound nice on paper, but unfortunately they've become little more than a means to twist and pervert what should be considered irrefutable human rights into something that suits someones purpose.
The power of the constitution was abused when it was written by conservative Christians (the majority), just like it is being abused now by secular progressives (the new majority).
Yes, i believe that according to God's law abortion is illegal, but it's God's law, and God is the one who enforces His laws, God will punish those who break His laws as He sees fit.
Just like how according to the US Government, killing a born person is illegal, it's the government's law, and the government enforces it's laws.
Again, i will state that abortion is not a law we are required to follow, it's not a procedure every woman has to have, it's nothing that will get you thrown in prison for not having. It's not something you're required to vote in favor of.
God told us to follow our governments laws as long as they don't go against His law, but i have to ask... is abortion a law you must follow? It is not income tax, it is not a traffic law, it is not forcing us (pro-lifers) to take part in or do anything!

reply from: LiberalChiRo

That's very true, and that's one of the arguments of pro-choice. Abortion being legal does not FORCE anyone to do anything.

reply from: yoda

The point was to strike down almost all state laws which restricted or prohibited abortion on demand. That is not technically the same as "making abortion legal", although that phrase is commonly used.
The term "legal" technically means that which is protected by a law passed by a legislature. No national law has been passed to protect the act of abortion. Judicial decrees are not laws, as much as some judges seem to want them to be.

reply from: yoda

Abortion is allowed by order of the courts. It is not legal in the formal sense except in states which have specific laws legalizing it. And those laws ought to be ruled unconstitutional, IMO.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

The answer is clearly yes. It is allowed by the courts and several states have laws legalizing it. It is legal.

reply from: jujujellybean

abortion is legal.
Yoda, if that doesn't constitute a law, then what does?

reply from: yoda

Any act passed by a legislature and signed by the chief executive constitutes a "law".
A ruling of a court is just that, it is not a law.

reply from: jujujellybean

So then yes or no? Is abortion legal, or not?

reply from: yoda

Did you not read my answer to you?
Or are you a parrot for vexing now?

reply from: jujujellybean

I did. but would you give me a yes or no? Because it seems like you are having trouble with that.
And I'm not a parrot. I just am curious. Because you can't seem to directly answer it. You evade it and throw in definitions but won't say a straight yes or no.

reply from: yoda

Hey........ YOU ASKED FOR A DEFINITION....... and now you're complaining that I gave you one?
As far as a yes or no answer, there is no such animal. Abortion is legal in some states because of laws passed in their legislatures, but not in others. It is not legal nationwide because congress has not passed any such law.
And the state laws may be unconstitutional, so does that make them illegal too?
Sorry, not every question can be answered yes or no, despite what you or vexing thinks.
And I'm not going to make a fool of myself by trying to give a yes or no answer to a question that can't be answered that way. But you have my permission to go right on parroting vexing's every post. Or, laughing when someone makes a joke at my expense..... you know, anytime you can jump in where I'm being attacked.....

reply from: LolitaOlivia

If abortion is illegal, how come when I went to get one at Planned Parenthood there was a cop there and he didn't arrest me? If it was illegal he would've been obligated to take me in.

reply from: Faramir

I was never very good at history or civics, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
My understanding is that legislators write the law and that the court interprets it.
The higher courts can also strike down laws that they deem to be unconstitutional.
Once the highest court in the land, The Supreme Court, makes a ruling, it's a done deal, unless it reverses itself.
So if the Supreme Courst interpreted the law to mean that laws against abortion are unconstitutional and violate a right of privacy, then those laws restricting abortion are no longer valid.
Is that right or wrong?
If the Supreme Court says that there are to be no laws that violate a woman's right to abort, then it would seem to me that abortion is legal, and that those laws that were on the books that restricted abortion, are not valid laws.
Isn't that why we need to elect a President and legislators who will appoint good judges? We need Justices who will interpret the Constitution properly.
If abortion is illegal, then the bottom line is that arrests can and should be made TODAY.

reply from: nplrdotnet

First of all you need to go back to 5th grade civics class. Courts don't make law, the legislature does. What the supreme court issued was there opinion on an issue..in all 50 states MURDER is a felony.the 1973 decision did not change that in any way shape or form. Each state has the right to govern itself. Abortion is illegal because it is murder. Murder is the taking of innocent Life. are unborn babies guilty of something? People like you are the reason that the Pro-Life movement has been an utter failure!
NPLR.net

reply from: nplrdotnet

You should not pretend to know what God says because you obviously know nothing about it. stick to what you know! Humanistic psychology
NPLR.net!

reply from: nplrdotnet

When exactly did it become legal to murder a child?

reply from: LolitaOlivia

Dude, there's this thing called an edit button. You don't have to make THREE *****ING POSTS in a row.

reply from: yoda

Thanks, and welcome to the forum.
It does seem like I'm talking to 5th graders here sometimes.

reply from: Faramir

If you actually read my post you would have seen that although I acknowledged my ineptitude regarding civics and the like, that I stated that I know the legislature made the laws and that the court interpreted the laws.
Maybe you need a reading comprehension class?

reply from: Faramir

Thanks, and welcome to the forum.
It does seem like I'm talking to 5th graders here sometimes.
Good for you that you are communicating with and learning from others a couple grades ahead of you.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Did it ever occur to your tiny brain that s/he is NEW and may not know how to do that? It's called patience. Have some or shut up.

reply from: LiberalChiRo

Precisely. "Abortion-is-illegal" people? What have you got to say for this?

reply from: nancyu

Precisely. "Abortion-is-illegal" people? What have you got to say for this?
Ask the cop.

reply from: JesusLovesYou

^ I find it interesting that there were cops running around in the Planned Parenthood. Do people get arrested there a lot?

reply from: JesusLovesYou

I meant the abortionists.

reply from: nancyu

Yeah, the police are there to keep protesters in line. (make sure we don't get in the road, or park illegally, and make sure we don't interfere with the child killing.)

reply from: Jameberlin

Since when do they teach civics in fifth grade? Somewhere between division and spelling?
Also, the only reason there has to be a pro life movement in the first place is there appears to be some distention as to when life actually begins, if it's not life, than it's not murder, in some people's opinions.
THIS IS WHY PEOPLE DISAGREE ON THE ABORTION ISSUE.

reply from: JesusLovesYou

I've only ever had to deal with cops once and I've done quite a few protests... Maybe I'm just lucky.

reply from: Jameberlin

Thanks, and welcome to the forum.
It does seem like I'm talking to 5th graders here sometimes.
Good for you that you are communicating with and learning from others a couple grades ahead of you.
Teeheeheee!! You're funny, i like you.

reply from: Jameberlin

The emperor is naked... and it's cold out.


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