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Who would look to this group for inspiration?

by: bobinsky

I was looking for the first time at the pro-life america home page with the various and sundry articles available for reading and the different links to click on and I saw one that stopped me in my tracks: Klan Parenthood. I could not figure out WHY a pro-life site would have a link to the Klan. After all, the Klan can hardly be viewed as pro-life from the atrocities this group has committed in the past and that is still monitored and considered one of America's most despised hate groups. Knowing better, but going ahead, I clicked on the link and was astounded. In all the years I've spent debating and arguing against and working with pro-life groups, not ONE of these groups has ever lowered itself to give credence to anything the Klan says or believes.
Are you regular posters on this forum not aware of the history of the Klan? Are you not aware of the brutal and vicious atrocities committed to innocent people by this group? You preach to pro-choicers about the sanctity and value of ALL human life, and you choose, as one of your pro-life sources, a link to a group that is responsible for the slaughter of innocent citizens BECAUSE OF THEIR SKIN COLOR? You dare to think yourselves more moral and righteous than pro-choicers yet cite statistics about abortion from the Klan? You people have the gall to lecture others about morality and the value of human life when you are so desperate to "prove" your "facts", your "case" against abortion that you choose the site of a hate group? You compare the abortin of feti to the holocause and slavery, yet you have a Klan website on your pro-life site? How does this make sense?
You have a links to abortion photos on this site, yet where are the links to the photos of lynchings and torture caused by the Klan? Or would this put a crimp on the Klan's "pro-life" stance?

reply from: LochFyne

They've got links to Neal Horsley's and Paul DeParrie's sites as well. I think the only pro-violence ARR they missed was Don Spitz.

reply from: sarah

Here's a comment on Klanparenthood written by Terry, perhas you'll better understand why there is this link.

Here's your chance on comment on the newest weapon in the war over abortion - KlanParenthood.com - a new site with facts on abortion's effects on the Black community and Planned Parenthood's success at reducing the Black population. (Blacks are a lower race according to the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, who openly states that she was once the speaker at a KKK meeting).

No one is giving credence to the KKK, it's an abomination. I think you have completely mis-understood the point in having this link on prolifeamerica.

reply from: Dmourning

What's almost as shocking, Bobinsky, is when confronted with Eric Rudolph and other pro-life terrorists, a majority of those on this board (but not ALL, I know some spoke out against it) remain silent or flat out condone those murderous activities.

I never bothered to notice that they were citing KKK stats, though. Shocking.

reply from: Tam

If I don't speak out against every atrocity worldwide, does that mean I condone/support all those I do not openly denounce/oppose? Hardly. Find something real to criticize. You are criticizing a straw man.

reply from: Dmourning

This has nothing to do with worldwide atrocities - it has everything to do with not condemning the murderous and terrorist actions of your fellow prolifers in attempting to further their cause.

reply from: Tam

This has nothing to do with worldwide atrocities - it has everything to do with not condemning the murderous and terrorist actions of your fellow prolifers in attempting to further their cause.

I thought I'd made it crystal clear: anyone who murders is not pro-LIFE. I think that's pretty obvious.

It's like, if someone claimed to be anti-slavery and yet secretly had a slave in his basement. The guy is a hypocrite and a liar. He's not anti-slavery--he HAS a SLAVE! Same goes for anyone who says they're against abortion because it's murder--and yet is a murderer!! Hypocrite. Not pro-life. And to use the word "fellow" there is offensive to me on multiple levels. No one who is a murderer or supports murder is pro-life. Frankly, I feel that applies to state-sanctioned murder as well! That's why I try to get people who support the death penalty to use anti-abortion instead of pro-life to label themselves.

You know all this, you're just being difficult. You're not fooling me, but then, you know that, too.

reply from: LochFyne

If people who believe in murdering abortion providers aren't "pro-life", then why does a place that calls itself ProLifeAmerica have links to their websites?

(I realize this is not your site. I was just wondering if you knew the answer.)

reply from: Tam

It's not my site. That's my answer. I mean, why do so many pro-choice sites fail to advocate for the full choice you support? I'm sure if you had a site it would reflect your pro-infanticide views in all their splendor. But this isn't your site, and it isn't mine. I don't speak for anyone but myself. Though I will speak UP for those who can't speak up for themselves.

reply from: bobinsky

Hi Sarah. Thank you for your response. I'll be very honest with you and tell you that I find no explanation from any person, board owner, poster - whomever - that could begjn to rationally justify the inclusion of that sort of site.

The portion of the site states the following:

Special Features
Unique pro-life information, commentaries, facts on abortion and other tools for you to use in the fight against abortion clinics.
Pro-life commentaries
Killed by safe, legal abortion
Facts on abortion risk
Pro-life arguments
Klan Parenthood

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The above underlined description of the sites listed, including the KKK, refers to info, commentaries, facts and tools "FOR YOU TO USE IN THE FIGHT AGAINST ABORTION CLINICS." No disclaimer, no warning, no anything about the site. Just it's inclusion in a list of sites to use against the fight against abortion clinics. As I said earlier, in other words, the p/l on this site will resort to mining info from the most despicable and spurious of sites in your moral "fight" against choice. Even worse, information from this site was used to defend the p/l position.
All the high and mighty talk about morals and Christians and God and right and wrong are a joke. We have a new thread on the forum from whosays about honoring a killer - a jurist who is charged with upholding the law that she doesn't agree with and she refers to him as a killer. By including the KKK site on this forum, you give a pathetic bit of legitimacy to the site, treating it as an equal source of information. Sickening and pathetic.

reply from: LochFyne

It's not my site. That's my answer. I mean, why do so many pro-choice sites fail to advocate for the full choice you support? I'm sure if you had a site it would reflect your pro-infanticide views in all their splendor. But this isn't your site, and it isn't mine. I don't speak for anyone but myself. Though I will speak UP for those who can't speak up for themselves.

Duh. I said I realized it's not your site, I was just wondering if you knew the answer. A simple "No" would have been sufficient. But then I wouldn't have had yet another passive-agressive post to chuckle at, so I'm glad you elaborated.

reply from: Tam

It's not my site. That's my answer. I mean, why do so many pro-choice sites fail to advocate for the full choice you support? I'm sure if you had a site it would reflect your pro-infanticide views in all their splendor. But this isn't your site, and it isn't mine. I don't speak for anyone but myself. Though I will speak UP for those who can't speak up for themselves.

Duh. I said I realized it's not your site, I was just wondering if you knew the answer. A simple "No" would have been sufficient. But then I wouldn't have had yet another passive-agressive post to chuckle at, so I'm glad you elaborated.

Well, you know, that was my entire motivation, you know. Nothing thrills me more than giving you this simple pleasure. (Terri, where's that barfing emoticon when you need it!?)

reply from: sarah

Okay, I freely admit it...I don't understand your point.

First, I don't believe the sites listed are to fight the abortion clinics, per say. But, rather the fight in general over abortion on demand being legal.

And further the reason Klanparenthood is listed is to show the link between Margaret Sanger, PP and her role with the KKK.

The founder of this site is not in favor of the KKK. For goodness sake, you might have seen the icon picture of Terry, he's a black man himself. I hardly think he supports the KKK in anyway shape or form.

I think you're on a fishing exhibition. Again, nobody supports, endorses or believes in the principles of the KKK. To think otherwise, is sickening and pathetic.

reply from: bobinsky

Tam, no one said anything about speaking out against every atrocity in the world, but to ignore something like the inclusion of the type of site listed for this forum that you consistently post on is a whole other matter. I didn't know that the Horsley and DeParrie sites were here also. I'm aware that this is not your board, but you are a frequent poster, and very vocal about morality and killing innocent people. With the inclusion of the KKK, Horsley and DeParrie sites - all pro-death - as links for use in the fight against abortion, there's not a whole lot of room for any p/l on this forum to lecture anyone else about morality.
Speaking about grisly photos, Tam, have you ever looked at the photos of Emmet Till? Google his name and take a look at the photos and what was done to him because he had the audacity to be black.

reply from: Tam

Tam, no one said anything about speaking out against every atrocity in the world, but to ignore something like the inclusion of the type of site listed for this forum that you consistently post on is a whole other matter. I didn't know that the Horsley and DeParrie sites were here also. I'm aware that this is not your board, but you are a frequent poster, and very vocal about morality and killing innocent people. With the inclusion of the KKK, Horsley and DeParrie sites - all pro-death - as links for use in the fight against abortion, there's not a whole lot of room for any p/l on this forum to lecture anyone else about morality.
Speaking about grisly photos, Tam, have you ever looked at the photos of Emmet Till? Google his name and take a look at the photos and what was done to him because he had the audacity to be black.

I don't need to look at grisly murder pictures to know I thoroughly oppose murder. I know you're just tying up loose ends, so I'll try to help you tie this one up. This forum exists for a purpose: to debate/discuss abortion. I participate here because I choose to do so. So do you, at this point. So if there is any blame to be spread around, you picked up your share at the door just like everyone else. But ultimately, as John Galt said, "Tell the bastard to look at me, then look in the mirror, then ask himself whether I would ever think that my moral stature is at the mercy of his actions." I know full well that my moral stature is not at the mercy of anyone's actions but my own. If you don't know it, you will learn it eventually. It is not my job to educate you about this. If you choose to believe that I am responsible for anyone's actions other than my own, it's your choice to hold that belief, but your choosing to believe it doesn't make it true, any more than it would be true that you are responsible for the actions of anyone other than yourself.

reply from: bobinsky

Then you're saying that how the forum home page describes those sites is a lie? A misrepresentation? I quoted word-for-word what was said about those sites. That you believe otherwise is not surprising.

Be honest with me, Sarah. How much reading about Margaret Sanger have you done besides what has been included on the anti-choice sites you view? Have you read any truly historical studies of her works? Any representative autobiographies? Do you believe everything the anti-choice websites say or do you do your own research to verify the veracity of the claims made at these sites? There are dozens of good books about Ms. Sanger out there written objectively and historically, wherein the information has been researched, verified and edited. If, as I mentioned earlier, you are basing your information about Ms. Sanger solely on what you've read about her on anti-choice websites, then you'll excuse me if I don't validate your beliefs about her.
Also, I see no dislcaimer anywhere about WHY the KKK site is included. I merely see it listed underneath a description of sites that can be used in the fight against abortion clinics. Obviously someone sees some merit in its inclusion on this forum.

Terry is free to do and believe what he wants to do and believe. I'm not his conscience. I base my comments on what I see and read on this site, not on what other people think or tell me I should think.

I think the posters on this forum are big into denial. You may think what you wish, but I do not support the exitence of a forum board that counts the KKK among it's "information" websites. Read again the description of those sites and keep denying.

reply from: bobinsky

This is par for pro-lifers, D. They scream bloody murder (pun intended) until one of their own slaughters somebody, then there's deathly (pun intended) silence from the majority. It's their sick sense of justice shining through.
After it's been pointed out to them about the pro-death sites on their shiny, happy pro-life forum, they run around pointing the fingers at US because we call them on it. But - but - but, ah, er, um, blah, blah, blah, whine, whine, cry, sob, you're all immoral liars! And it's true because we say so!

Hey, saw you at IC. Think it looks okay then? You saw SS's post? Did you see ado's welcome?

reply from: sarah

Think what you want bobinsky. Frankly I'm not all that interested in this particular diatribe about the KKK and the connection you are trying to make with the pro-life movement.
You're twisting things in order to bolster your own distaste for the opposing view you hold. It's NOT listed as the "KKK" web site, it's listed as the "Klan Parenthood", making quite the distinction.
If you can't make the distinction then perhaps this will help, coming from the Klan Parenthood website,

Lynching by the Ku Klux Klan isn't as efficient at killing Blacks as Planned Parenthood abortions. Thanks to them, in America today, almost as many black babies are killed by abortion as are born.
This brochure presents abortion statistics that highlight the genocide that is being waged on the Black community by Planned Parenthood and the supporters of legalized abortion. It also exposes the racist ideas of Planned Parenthood's founder, Margaret Sanger, who openly admitted in her autobiography that she was once the featured speaker at a KKK meeting.

The truth revealed by the abortion facts and quotes in this brochure will open your eyes.

Click here for a FREE COPY of this brochure

Pro-life groups interested in doing bulk mailings should call 940-380-8800 for volume prices.

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"Always to me any aroused group was a good group, and therefore I accepted an invitation to talk to the women's branch of the Ku Klux Klan..." Planned Parenthood founder, Margaret Sanger
(Margaret Sanger: An Autobiography, P.366

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The sad reality is that it's the abortion on demand proponents that are actully linked to such dispicable groups as the KKK.
All "Klan Parenthood" is doing is exposing that sickening truth.
Margaret Sanger the proud founder of the PP which you support actually spoke at a KKK rally.
Now, that's truly what is sickening and pathetic.

reply from: bobinsky

I will think what I want and I will base these thoughts on what is seen on this board. And of course you're not interested in any dialogue that does not have to do with the demonization and vilification of pro-choice persons. Anything to take the heat off yourselves and point the finger at someone else. And I don't HAVE to make a connection between the Klan and the pro-life movement - it's on this site for all to see. The work's already been done.

Oh, yeah, a complete disassociation with the Klan, right? Well, tell ya what, Sarah. You go to the KKK website, the real big one, and you'll see that Klan Parenthood is listed as a sub-site, so it is indeed a part of the Klan. But since it doesn't say KKK then I guess it's pro-life approved, eh?
I've protested at various Klan rallies in this state. I was surprised at the first protest when the KKK had their children handing out KKK coloring books and crayons to other children.

And the grand slam! You quote the Klanparenthood website- that refers to the KKK - in an attempt to drive home your point. Which is what? Earlier you said, "No one is giving credence to the KKK, it's an abomination", now you're quoting the Klanparenthood site. Goodness. We're going in circles!

I'm a pro-choice person and the only "link" I have is that I protest AGAINST the Klan, not quote their material and use them as a source of information. Go look at any pro-choice website and see if you find Klanparenthood listed in their information sites. Betcha don't. Betcha don't see any pro-choicers quoting the Klan either.

Oooooh, lookie Sarah! The Klan site offers pro-life groups special pricing for bulk mailings. I don't see any such offer to the pro-choice groups, do you? Now, do you want to repeat what you said about the pro-choicers, not anti-choicers, being linked to the Klan?

You go ahead and ignore and deny and pretend. The rest of us see what's actually here.

reply from: sarah

Why on God's green earth would I ever even want to go the "real big one"? I have no interest in such filthy garbage.

I notice how you cherry picked my comments and managed to skip over the FACT that Margaret Sanger the FOUNDER of PLANNNED PARENTHOOD, which YOU support had actual dealings with the "REAL BIG ONE".

Guess I don't have to see anymore "pro-choicers" quoting the klan, since the darling of the pro-aborts has done enough herself.

reply from: Della22

Oh...my....God.....

Puh-leeze! Did no one see that the information provided speaks volumes on it's own? I can't believe you're all trying to justify yourselves when you shouldn't have to.

Listen, according to the KKK's site, they find abortion to be a good thing because of all the prevention to produce more african americans. Which is just retarded when you consider there are also causcasian children being aborted as well. (See, I'm being as respectful as possible seeing as I did not use the word murder.) I don't think I'm making an assumption to say that Terry included this site to show how members of the KKK support abortion as well. Since a large amount of african american women use abortion. And I think I even seen something to the effect of how Planned Parenthood targeted blacks.

If so many of us prolifers have liken abortion unto slavery and the holocaust, WHY WOULD WE SUPPORT THE KKK?!! Why would you even suggest something as rediculous? Talk about disrespect, it is REALLY disrespectful to call someone a supporter of the KKK when they have neither done nor said anything that would lead you to believe so. I had not seen this until you brought it up. But even if I had, I think I'd still continue to use this board.

Maybe he felt like posting it in an attempt to show prochoicers caught with their pants down. To show that their "crusade for choice" was just what the KKK ordered. I don't know. But hell, you don't either. And if anyone is going to comment on why he put it up, let him do so. I can argue both points (probably the prolife side better than the prochoice) but maybe instead of the school yard "nah nah nah" finger pointing and childish accusations, you should ask Terry himself. As well I could argue that there has been violence against prolifers as well. On a smaller account, a bunch of bitties forced me off a pregnancy web site simply because I stated my prolife veiws. Do I seem like the type to go calling them all names and accusing everyone of being affiliated with groups NO ONE would even admit to being a part of? Well, these rotten women told me to get off their discussion board simply because I stated that I was prolife and that I would willingly talk to any girl on the site who was pregnant with an unplanned/unwanted pregnancy. But on the larger scale there have been procoicers who spit on sidewalk counselors and tear up their signs when they are doing nothing but exercising their right to peaceful protest and gathering peacefully. I'm not excusing the idiots who spit on women who go into abortion clinics, but there are always TURDS in every group of people. To prejudge ANY group of people is doing just as the KKK does. Don't stoop to the level of those ignorant people who CALL themselves prolife. You are disgusted with them right? So don't do what they do.

If you're so damned pro CHOICE, what do you care if a girl talks to someone who's prolife and decides to keep her baby? Persuasion is just that. No one is twisting her wrist. You believe in CHOICE, so as long as no one is holding her down and making her give birth, what do you care? She just made one of the three choices.

reply from: whosays

Bobinsky, Let's consider the following comments from your various posts:

Opps, don't look now but your ignorance is showing. -- I have a question for you, are you really that stupid, or do you believe that by repeating a lie often enough someone will actually believe you? While there are no,nada,none,dare-you-to-cite-a-single-one links anywhere on these sites to internet sites that are in favor of the Klan, the fact is Planned Parenthood is inexorably linked to the Klan thanks to the rascist eugenics of its founder Margaret Sanger.

Which lead to another of your quotes:

The source for the Planned Parenthood (a.k.a. Klan Parenthood) IS an "autobiography", fool! Margaret Sanger openly admitted in her autobiography that she was once the featured speaker at a KKK rally in NJ and NOOOOOOOOOOOOO serious pro-abort even dares to try and deny this FACT.

Click here to read http://www.stopplannedparenthood.com/DeathCamps/Holocaust6.cfm#TheTop.

Moreover, if you would like to end your ignorance on the "historic" evidence on Margaret Sanger's open acknowledgement of her KKK speaking job, you'll find her EXACT QUOTE and the page citation from Margaret Sanger's autobiography on http://www.stopplannedparenthood.com/Planned_Parenthood_Ku_Klux_Klan_KKK_Nazis/.

Again I have to say that your either your ignorance is either monumental or you like to shoot your mouth off without checking your facts. Remember Forrest Gump - Stupid is as stupid does. Next time, look before you talk.

reply from: whosays

PS to Delta, see Margaret Sanger's admission about her acceptance of a Klu Klux Klan rally speaking engagement in her autobiography. You'll find the link in my post above.

reply from: Scooby

Bobinski - I understand they are looking for someone to replace Dan Rather, with your keen ability to diseminating facts I think they would be hard pressed to pass on you.

The abortion industry, Planned Parenthood in particular, has made no bones about the fact that they are targeting minority communities. In fact 80% of their clinics are in minority communities. A suit was recently filed in California, by Planned Parenthood employees, concerning the racist practices of the organiztion. The charges include trying to deceive a South LA community by lying about the nature of a purposed clinic in the area. http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40023

Just look at what Margaret Sanger has said in published works:

"Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race."

"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population…"

"Eugenic sterilization is an urgent need ... We must prevent multiplication of this bad stock."

http://www.blackgenocide.org/ goes into detail on the statistics of what abortion has done to the black community. (BTW the Director, Clenard Childress, is black)

Face it, the abortion industry, which you so strongly defend, is deeply rooted in a racist mindset and holds that belief to this day. Your posts and the posts of your pro-abortion compatriots that point to prolifeamerica and klanparenthood as embracing the racist agenda of Margaret Sanger, the Nazi Party, and the KKK is sheer lunacy. Look again, the face in the mirror may be yours.

reply from: terry

Note to posters: This forum, nor any of the associated websites, does not endorse or link to any racist website. On the contrary, these websites affirm the sanctity of life for all persons regardless of race, color, creed. Life begins at fertilization and no action should be lawful if it is intended to take the life of an innocent human being.

Any insistance otherwise is false and will be removed from this point forward.

Thank you.

Moderator

reply from: sarah

Terry, Thank you for taking the time to clear this up.

reply from: sarah

Scooby said,
Face it, the abortion industry, which you so strongly defend, is deeply rooted in a racist mindset and holds that belief to this day. Your posts and the posts of your pro-abortion compatriots that point to prolifeamerica and klanparenthood as embracing the racist agenda of Margaret Sanger, the Nazi Party, and the KKK is sheer lunacy. Look again, the face in the mirror may be yours.

_________________

It's the "face it" part they have the problem with, Scooby. They are so deep in denial it's beyond pathetic, because the FACE IN THE MIRROR is them!

reply from: yoda

Sarah, I just read this thread, and I must say it's really a strange one. The only parallel I can think of is the stuff put out by propaganda minister Gobels.

Can anyone really be so dumb as not to understand anything you're posting? Can anyone be so dumb as to confuse the use of the term "Klanparenthood" with the REAL KKK?

Personally, I don't think so. I think these posters are pretending to be that stupid, just in order to try to get a rise out of us and discourage us from posting here.

No one could be that stupid. They know better, don't let them bother you. If anything, they have raised interest in going to the LDI website and seeing it for themselves.

reply from: sarah

Sarah, I just read this thread, and I must say it's really a strange one. The only parallel I can think of is the stuff put out by propaganda minister Gobels.

Can anyone really be so dumb as not to understand anything you're posting? Can anyone be so dumb as to confuse the use of the term "Klanparenthood" with the REAL KKK?

Personally, I don't think so. I think these posters are pretending to be that stupid, just in order to try to get a rise out of us and discourage us from posting here.

No one could be that stupid. They know better, don't let them bother you. If anything, they have raised interest in going to the LDI website and seeing it for themselves.

My EXACT same thoughts Yoda!!!

For someone supposedly so intelligent she sure acted the fool.

But, that's just TYPICAL pro-abort mentality. They cannot defeat the pro-life stand in the actual debate arena, so they ALWAYS somewhere along the line resort to childish antics. AND they hope that we're as stupid as they have convinced themselves we are!
I've yet to see their tactics work and don't think for a miute I ever will.

reply from: ChristianLott

Oh, THIS IS CLASSIC!

It shows you how honestly these peole are wraped up in their own delusions - they don't even read the site --

MUCH LESS - understand the Klan Parenthood joke IS ON THEM!

Sorry, I don't shout often.

Bobinsky and LF and D, have you ever heard of Canned Parenthood?

http://www.newoxfordreview.org/2000/sep00/brenttzeringue.html

Yes, you're reading it right - we call Planned Parenthood 'Klan Parenthood' 'Canned Parenthood' 'Pregnancy Profiteers', etc.

Who else slaughters more blacks than die from all other natural causes combined?

And where does PP (KP) set up shop? The poor communities.

reply from: yoda

That's the down side of "playing the fool" as they have done in this thread. While you may achieve your goal of irritating your opponents, you also expose yourself as the fool you really are.

And in the end, that can only hurt the fool's cause.

reply from: Tam

That's the down side of "playing the fool" as they have done in this thread. While you may achieve your goal of irritating your opponents, you also expose yourself as the fool you really are.

And in the end, that can only hurt the fool's cause.

Here's a great quote about that sort of thing:

LOL I love that quote. And it sums up what I've been wondering -- what most of us, I suspect, have been wondering -- this whole thread.

reply from: sarah

Tam said, LOL I love that quote. And it sums up what I've been wondering -- what most of us, I suspect, have been wondering -- this whole thread.

Right on the money Tam!

That's EXACTLY what she was doing.

But, tricks on her!

reply from: yoda

Good points. I suppose if you convince everyone that your're "mentally handicapped" then less will be expected of you.

reply from: sarah

Good points. I suppose if you convince everyone that your're "mentally handicapped" then less will be expected of you.

Odd, wonder why THIS ball has been dropped???

reply from: Tam

Good points. I suppose if you convince everyone that your're "mentally handicapped" then less will be expected of you.

Odd, wonder why THIS ball has been dropped???

Hey, let's take a poll. Forum regulars who've been observing this thread--how many are puzzled, and how many are contemptuous? And just to be thorough, let's include "Both" as the third option. I pick option three! I'm both puzzled AND contemptuous! If I need to elaborate as to why, let me know; it would be my pleasure.

reply from: sarah

I must be 2 1/2. At first I was puzzled, but got over that.
Now, I'm just plain contemptuous...oh wait, guess that makes me a three after all!!

reply from: ChristianLott

I wonder if this 'stupid' tactic works for her in the court room...

reply from: sarah

I wonder if this 'stupid' tactic works for her in the court room...

I don't know, but she's still at the same tactic, defending Margaret Sanger, only she's taken the topic to a different thread...wonder why?

reply from: whosays

Well, Bobinsky can either remain silent and keep us guessing as to the answer to your question...

or speak up and remove all doubt.

Wonder which option this pro-choicer will choose?

reply from: Tam

This has nothing to do with worldwide atrocities - it has everything to do with not condemning the murderous and terrorist actions of your fellow prolifers in attempting to further their cause.

I thought I'd made it crystal clear: anyone who murders is not pro-LIFE. I think that's pretty obvious.

It's like, if someone claimed to be anti-slavery and yet secretly had a slave in his basement. The guy is a hypocrite and a liar. He's not anti-slavery--he HAS a SLAVE! Same goes for anyone who says they're against abortion because it's murder--and yet is a murderer!! Hypocrite. Not pro-life. And to use the word "fellow" there is offensive to me on multiple levels. No one who is a murderer or supports murder is pro-life. Frankly, I feel that applies to state-sanctioned murder as well! That's why I try to get people who support the death penalty to use anti-abortion instead of pro-life to label themselves.

You know all this, you're just being difficult. You're not fooling me, but then, you know that, too.

Right, Dmourning?

reply from: Dmourning

Replied in another thread on multiple occasions.

reply from: yoda

I pity the clients.......

reply from: whosays

Bobinsky, your exhibition of pro-choice hipocracy is simply amazing.

You're shocked, SHOCKED at the "slaughter of innocent citizens" promoted by the KKK...

(that's the REAL kkk, not the pretend KKK that you claim to see over on the www.KlanParenthood.com site)

... but you're for, FOR the slaughter of babies so long as their mother is the one that is choosing to kill them and not some caucasian guy in a pointed hood.

How, very pro-choice of you.

And, as if this example of your intelectual prowess wasn't enough entertainment, you actually proceeded to reference:

Note this is the very group that you - as in yourself - said "is responsible for the slaughter of innocent citizens"!

Yeah, I could see how you mistook THAT for a pro-life position.

Remember what that great sage Forrest Gump said, "Stupid is as stupid does."



reply from: Tam

Bobinsky, your exhibition of pro-choice hipocracy is simply amazing.

You're shocked, SHOCKED at the "slaughter of innocent citizens" promoted by the KKK...

(that's the REAL kkk, not the pretend KKK that you claim to see over on the www.KlanParenthood.com site)

... but you're for, FOR the slaughter of babies so long as their mother is the one that is choosing to kill them and not some caucasian guy in a pointed hood.

How, very pro-choice of you.

And, as if this example of your intelectual prowess wasn't enough entertainment, you actually proceeded to reference:

Note this is the very group that you - as in yourself - said "is responsible for the slaughter of innocent citizens"!

Yeah, I could see how you mistook THAT for a pro-life position.

Yes, pro-LIFE tends to exclude groups with a focus on killing.

reply from: whosays

Just in case anyone missed Bobinsky's statement elsewhere on this matter:

Bobinsky says, "I won't apologize for posting the original post"

and (at least as of this moment) is STILL sliming that the pro-kkk lies posted were "an honest and thorough post of the subject"

"Honest and thorough?"

Yeah, right. In bizarro world maybe, but this is reality, Bob-o - get a grip!

reply from: bobinsky

In case you're not aware, the KKK is anti-abortion, which, according to this board, makes them pro-life. That's where this statement came from. See, you have more in common with the Klan than you thought.

Ah, but they're anti-choice, Tam. This means they're on your side fighting the good fight with you pro-lifers.

Tam, remember when you said to me in another post that we should all try a little harder to take the high road? Who were you including in the class of "we"? Are there certain posters who, for some reason or another, are exempted from being reminded about taking the high road?

reply from: bobinsky

justsays, do I take it by your sig that you consider yourself a christian?

reply from: sarah

Not so, you have more in common with the KKK, after all you support MS. She was all for the destruction of the black population, among others. And let's not forget her infamous speaking engagment with the KKK.

Again, it's the founder of PP, an orgainzation YOU support that has most in common with the KKK.

Let's just hear from the infamous MS herself how she felt about the African American population in America,

"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population…"

Or,
The purpose of BC for her was to, "create a race of thoroughbreds".
Or,
"More children from the fit, less from the un-fit, this is the CHIEF aim of birth control."

What an evil woman.

reply from: bobinsky

I'm sorry, Sarah, but the KKK is anti-choice, as I said, making them pro-life in your book. If you don't want to admit it, fine. More head burying. Denial, as usual. Course your compats want that pure race, as has been its goal for decades. Maybe with your help they'll get there.

Yes, Mis. Sanger. Bang the drum, beat the dead horse, hammer away. Doesn't take away from the fact that she saved the lives of many women.

BTW, you neglected to answer a question of mine from an earlier thread about Ms. Sanger. Have you or anyone you know ever used BC? If so, why?

reply from: sarah

[q[I'm sorry, Sarah, but the KKK is anti-choice, as I said, making them pro-life in your book. If you don't want to admit it, fine. More head burying. Denial, as usual. Course your compats want that pure race, as has been its goal for decades. Maybe with your help they'll get there.

Twist and turn in the wind all you want. It's you and your "compats" that not only have their head in the sand, but have been completley brain washed in the process of having spent many, many years trying to white wash her reptutation. Well, guess what...you people are only fooling yourselves. It's completley transparent to everyone else. PP's founder, the group that YOU and your "compats" support was evil personified. And a supreme supporter of the KKK!!!!!! Which makes you closley indentified with the KKK. But, the brain-washed have no problem with continued support of her.

I didn't have to look far for an example of what I just said.

That is completley NONE of your business. I don't share personal and private information with complete strangers. Nor would I share private information of those that I know intimatley enough to know their private practices.

reply from: Tam

Ah, but they're anti-choice, Tam. This means they're on your side fighting the good fight with you pro-lifers.

Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian. Does that mean that if I'm a vegetarian, too, that I am "on Hitler's side"? I speak for no one but myself. Anyone else who believes that taking the life of an unborn child is wrong--good for them for understanding that. Whatever ELSE they believe can fill libraries. Every person has a unique set of beliefs. If you share one belief with a person or group, does that make you responsible for the actions that entity takes as a result of that, let alone any other, belief? No, it does not.

Furthermore, not that it will affect my moral stature either way since I am in no way associated with the Klan, is it not the case that they support abortion for people of color, but not for white people? If that is true, which it may well be, they are not even anti-abortion. And considering the lynchings, they are not pro-life regardless of their stance on abortion, even if they oppose all abortion.

If you feel like someone needs a reminder, definitely remind him or her. Certainly, no one is exempt.

reply from: bobinsky

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reply from: bobinsky

My, you certainly have no problem with people asking ME personal questions, but then we're all aware of your double standards. And no, you don't have to answer the question. I've read back far enough to know a lot about you forum people.

And I don't have to white-wash Ms. Sanger's reputation. She was human. But when women find out that she is the person responsible for introducing birth control to this country I don't have to defend her.

Goodness me we're dramatic. Yes, I can definitely see the horns on ms. Sanger's head in those photos. Yes, the fact that Ms. Sanger saw women as more than breeding stock makes her evil indeed.

reply from: bobinsky

Well, okay, I see your point. But I'm confused. Sarah has an entirely different take on this. So who's correct?

Noooooo, not on your life. I rather enjoy watching you pick and choose who to admonish and ignore the rest.

reply from: bobinsky

Well, okay, I see your point. But I'm confused. Sarah has an entirely different take on this. So who's correct?

Noooooo, not on your life. I rather enjoy watching you pick and choose who to admonish and ignore the rest.

reply from: sarah

Well, that's interesting, you're holding me responsible for what other people ask you? Take it to those who have asked.
Please clarify, what do you mean by you have read back far enough to know alot about "us" forum people?
What has that to do with the personal question you asked me????

Oh yes you do have to and are doing just that..."white washing" MS's dispicable reputation. It's the only way you could possibly say anthing in defense of her. Only women who would agree that the "end" justifies the means could possibly agree with you. She was sick and evil to the core.

MS was human???? That's your excuse for her speaking in front of the KKK and doing her level best to EXTERMINATE African Americans, to name just a few of her warped ideas?
Well, guess since Hitler was "human" how can be blamed for wanting to exterminate people too? Those two had alot in common.

No, not dramatic at all, just the unvarnished truth. I know "truth" is hard to view at times, but it's necessary the truth, without any white-washing be spoken.

reply from: Tam

Well, okay, I see your point. But I'm confused. Sarah has an entirely different take on this. So who's correct?

I know that my statement about being responsible for my beliefs and actions, not those of others, is correct. If I take actions that support a specific group, I therefore align myself with that group. In that sense, I am responsible for aligning myself with that group. So if a person takes an action that supports the KKK, he/she associates him/herself with the KKK. The more direct/supportive/frequent/etc. the action, the more closely one is aligned with the group. So, for example, buying a product from a company that donates money to an organization connects you, knowingly or unknowingly, willingly or unwillingly, with that organization. Directly donating money to an organization links you even more closely with that organization. Yes, each person is responsible only for his/her own actions. But if those actions include sending money to the KKK, that person is responsible for associating him/herself with the KKK. So anyone who supports Planned Parenthood is associated, more or less closely depending on the extent of their support and the reasons behind it, with the eugenics advocated by its founder, Margaret Sanger. Understand?

Noooooo, not on your life. I rather enjoy watching you pick and choose who to admonish and ignore the rest.

Bobinsky, I am neither the forum police nor your mommy. If you think you're being picked on, and you've somehow decided I'm your protector, you'll find yourself rather disappointed, I think. Yes, I do tend to call people on it when I see someone picking on someone else. No, it is not my duty to do so. If you're implying that I choose to defend those I respect more often or more emphatically than those I do not respect, well, you've got me there! I never claimed to be the forum police. That doesn't mean it's okay for anyone to pick on anyone else. No one is obligated to stick up for you, however. At this point, I doubt I'll be sticking up for you, even if I see anyone picking on you. You're presumably an adult, so I'm sure you can handle it yourself. You can choose who you will admonish all on your own, just as I do. Far be it from me to take that choice from you!

reply from: whosays

Is this to be considered another of your "honest and thorough" posts?

Presuming that you are not a member of the Klan, are your source* for this supposed knowledge is what?

(*And please don't try to blame this on KlanParenthood.)

Hint: if you actually knew what you were talking about you would know that the KKK promotes selective abortions - that is they promote (i.e., encourage, hope for, don't want to stop) blacks to abort their babies.

Note the similarity to Margaret Sanger's targeted promotion of abortion and birth control for blacks and others that she considered "human weeds - as well as the targeted markets for Planned Parenthood's (a.k.a. Klan Parenthood) promotion of abortion, overwhelmingly in minority communities.

You see the fact is the KKK (the real one, not the one you claim to see on Klan Parenthood) is actually exhibiting a pro-choice mentality - choose to kill some babies & but not others. The only difference is that the KKK & Margaret Sanger want the death of the baby to result from criteria such as skin color, IQ or ecomonic status, while pro-choicers like you perfer it if the death of that same baby resulted from a different criteria - the whim of their mom.

Yeah, I can see how you would mistake that for real progress in social justice.

reply from: whosays

Is this to be considered another of your "honest and thorough" posts?

Presuming that you're not a member of the Klan, your source* for this supposed knowledge is what?

...the KKK promotes selective abortions - that is they encourage blacks to abort... like Margaret Sanger's targeted promotion of abortion and birth control for blacks and others that she considered "human weeds"... the KKK is actually exhibiting a pro-choice mentality - choose to kill some babies & but not others. The only difference is that the KKK & Margaret Sanger want the death of the baby to result from criteria such as skin color, IQ or ecomonic status, while pro-choicers like you perfer it if the death of that same baby resulted from a different criteria - the whim of their mom.

Still waiting for that source of your klan-is-pro-life claim?

(Or did you simply make this one up too?)

reply from: bobinsky

What is YOUR source for this knowledge? A p/l source or a non-biased, neutral source? WND?

First of all, almost no woman makes the decision to abort on a "whim". This shows just how little knowledge you have about the abortion issue that you think so little of women's decision making abilities.
Secondly, and for the last time, I'm not going to debate, discuss, argue or waste anymore time on your issues with Margaret Sanger. You want to continue, go ahead. Beat the damned thing to death. Make your point. Belittle me, call me a liar, do whatever you wish, knock yourself out, but I'll use no more of my time discussing this issue with you or anyone else. Your agenda is obvious, and that it to shut up and get rid of any pro-choicers on this board. I've read almost all the old posts, and since the beginning, whenever one of you has joined the board, you've used the same tactics in hopes that we'd just get off the forum. If that fails, you cry to Terry because someone used boo-boo language. Whatever. If you had something real to discuss, we'd probably be discussing it. But because us pro-choicers have to run around picking up "dropped balls" and fighting stupid, useless arguments like this one, we don't have time to debate the real issues. On real discussion/debate boards, this crappola doesn't go on.
People in this country are allowed to espouse their beliefs, just like you and me. If these beliefs are something you disagree with, fine. If you'd read enough about Ms. Sanger, rather than just getting your biased information from anti-chioce sites, you'd know that there is much more to each of those comments she made than just the few words quoted by your "sources". The fact that you're too unmotivated to look further is proof of your closed-mindedness.
I happen to believe that a woman has the right choose whether to abort an unwanted/unplanned pregnancy or whether to keep the kid or adopt it out. You see my choice as pro-death because you have only one field of tunnel vision. Just because you hold that belief doesn't make it true.

reply from: sarah

What a cop out. You're not going to use anymore of your time to discuss the issue. Well, isn't that just grand? You start a thread that OFFENDED every pro-life person on these boards. You have yet to answer anything that would remotley quell the offense and now you're going to take your ball home and not play anymore. That's because you know what you did was wrong and deliberate and pride will not allow you to own up to it. Instead, YOU ACT THE VICTIM! Well, I'm sure that tactic works elsewhere, but it's not going to work here. You owe the people you have offended an apology.
You bring up the subject and since you've been called out on it, it now is a useless discussion. Well, too bad. You are NOT the vicitim and you're not fooling anyone here.

Yes, people are allowed to "espouse" their beliefs. But, we're also to take responsibility for espousing those beliefs. So, take the responsibility that any mature woman would.

Oh, we've read enough about that evil, dispicable MS. You don't have any fresh information about her to even begin to undo her sickening reputation. Try as you might, it just isn't going to work. You can whitewash it all day long, talk about tunnel vision. "Just because you hold those beliefs about MS doesn't make it true"!!! Not now, not ever.

From here on out, your own reputation has been besmirched by your own actions. Take responsibility for the offense, or learn to live with the fact that you no longer hold any credibility with the pro-life members of this board.

reply from: bobinsky

The Klan is anti-abortion.

Why is it so hard for you supposedly brilliant persons who have chosen your incredibly informed opinion about abortion to click on "google", enter the search terms and do your own damned research? If you did this in relation to Margaret Sanger, you would KNOW that the crap you spew about her is not correct. But it's easier for you to pull garbage from pro-life/anti-choice sites and use this, rather than looking farther and finding the truth. And you consider out-of-context quotes, out-dated information from biased sources that promote your agenda to be honest and thorough posting? Cry me a river.

reply from: sarah

The Klan is anti-abortion.

Why is it so hard for you supposedly brilliant persons who have chosen your incredibly informed opinion about abortion to click on "google", enter the search terms and do your own damned research? If you did this in relation to Margaret Sanger, you would KNOW that the crap you spew about her is not correct. But it's easier for you to pull garbage from pro-life/anti-choice sites and use this, rather than looking farther and finding the truth. And you consider out-of-context quotes, out-dated information from biased sources that promote your agenda to be honest and thorough posting? Cry me a river.

Whitwash all day long. YOU are the one most closley linked to the KKK. YOU, aren't fooling anyone. YOU support the PP, and by doing so you support the high priestess of biggotry. YOU have aligned yourself with someone who wanted to see the death of every black American in this country.

You're not fooling anyone.

reply from: whosays

"Human weeds" - now just who was Margaret Sanger talking about?

What "context" could possibly justify this or any of her elitist comments about eliminating "undiserables"?

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Health/story?id=708780

reply from: sarah

"Human weeds" - now just who was Margaret Sanger talking about?

What "context" could possibly justify this or any of her elitist comments about eliminating "undiserables"?

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Health/story?id=708780

Good points, whosays.

And how does one take this horrendous statement out of context? Straight from the horses's mouth,

WE DO NOT WANT WORD TO GO OUT THAT WE WANT TO EXTERMINATE THE NEGRO POPULATION.

It's stunning that anyone could align themselves with anything that this horrible woman promoted.

reply from: Tam

"Human weeds" - now just who was Margaret Sanger talking about?

What "context" could possibly justify this or any of her elitist comments about eliminating "undiserables"?

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Health/story?id=708780

Good points, whosays.

And how does one take this horrendous statement out of context? Straight from the horses's mouth,

WE DO NOT WANT WORD TO GO OUT THAT WE WANT TO EXTERMINATE THE NEGRO POPULATION.

It's stunning that anyone could align themselves with anything that this horrible woman promoted.

And saying that anyone who has ever used birth control is a supporter of Margaret Sanger is like saying anyone who has ever ridden in a Volkswagen is a supporter of Adolf Hitler. (And if they rode in a Volkswagen on an interstate highway--they're a DOUBLE supporter of Hitler!!) In other words, it makes no sense. However, just as anyone who said, "Hitler was great! Sure he made mistakes, but he gave us so much!" would be aligning him/herself with Hitler's racist and murderous ideology, so does anyone who says, "Sanger was great! Sure she made mistakes, but she gave us so much!" align him/herself with Sanger's racist and murderous ideology. It's really quite simple--in other words, Sarah and I are both correct. And we both correctly recognize that while some folks are out there trying to put an end to the products of that racist, murderous ideology, some folks would rather turn a blind eye, preferring to see their support of PP as the moral equivalent of driving a Volkswagen. When all is said and done, each of us must look him/herself in the mirror. Continue to support PP and defend MS if you like. But don't think for a minute that you're fooling those of us who are familiar with the racist, murderous ideology espoused by Sanger, despite the efforts of PP to deny and downplay that information.

reply from: sarah

What Bobinsky did in the process of her time here and highlited by her continued support of MS and all she stood for, only served to further my beliefs that most pro-aborts are some of the most duped and closed minded humans on earth. What respect I held for the opposing side of this issue was quickly vanished in the last few days of the debate over the KKK and MS.

So, what furtherance of the position that Bobinsky held and tried to accomplish was stopped dead in it's tracks, in my opinion.

reply from: whosays

Forget the KKK, the real question for Bob-O and all other Margaret Sanger devotees is:

If it walks like a NAZI (eugenics) and talks like a NAZI (eugenics), is it a NAZI?

reply from: whosays

In a post http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fusetalk/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=439&enterthread=y Bobinsky claims to have made those pro-kkk assertions because "I did not do my usual painstaking research on this new issue"

("My usual painstaking research"????? - We'll come back to this claim in a moment.)

Whatever the reason for those truth-deficient posts, Bob-o then goes on to say, "I did shoddy research... and it ended up that I was incorrect, wrong - however you people will couch the term. So I WAS wrong and I admit it."

Funny isn't it? When others point out Bob-o's pro-kkk posts were "incorrect" or "wrong" they are "couching the term" but when Bob-o uses the very same words to describe those same FALSE posts, then it is simply just "admitting it".

(Anybody else hear Jack Nicholson screaming "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!" in the background?)

However, the really funny part is Bob-o's self-promoting "my usual painstaking research" claim. This claim follows on the heals of Bob-o's other failure to admit the truth, i.e. Margaret Sanger's association with the real KKK - based on her on autobiographical admission (that's the REAL Ku Klus Klan, the one that lynched blacks and supports abortion of black babies). In addition, it takes very little effort to discover that Bob-o's assertion that Margaret Sanger's quotes about "human weeds" and her other racist, pro-eugenics statements only APPEAR racist because they are "taken out of context" is anything but a statement based on "painstaking research."

Here again Bobinsky is wrong (excuse me if I "couched" that) - but whether Bob'o's defense of Margaret Sanger's racist views is just another case of Bob-o doing "shoddy research" or whether it is merely an outright lie in an attempt to avoid admitting the truth about Margaret Sangers racist eugenic views is the question that remains unanswered.

False claims notwithstanding, NO ONE can truly do "painstaking research" on the many well documented quotes of Margaret Sanger (http://www.klanparenthood.com/DeathCamps/Holocaust6.cfm#TheTop) and still pretend that she these weren't her words (because they were) or that she didn't mean the things that she said (otherwise you would be calling Margaret Sanger a liar for having said them).

NEWS FLASH: Bobinsky gets hired by Newsweek's research department!

reply from: yoda

Excellent point, Sarah. If you don't get an answer to that question, please start a new thread on that subject.

reply from: yoda

Yep. Although we all make blunders from time to time, to stubbornly remain in denial of the obvious for 3 days is way beyond blundering, it is a deliberate denial of the obvious truth. And that calls into question many of her other positions taken in this debate.

reply from: whosays

Yoda, thank you for taking time off from promoting your new movie to help us out with your wisdom here on this forum.

Perhaps you could share some of your sage advice with Bobinsky who, professes to do "painstaking research" although the real 'pain' for Bob-o seems to be the 'pain' of facing up to the truth about Margaret Sanger.

Yoda, can help Bob-O escape from the "dark-pro-choice-side"?

reply from: yoda

First, there must come the desire to escape the dark side.

This one has been in the dark so long her eyes cannot stand the bright light of truth, so she turns her head away from it and curses the darkness.

reply from: sarah

Excellent point, Sarah. If you don't get an answer to that question, please start a new thread on that subject.

Good idea, Yoda. It would be fine with me if we went quote by quote and see if the light that MS stands in changes one iota.

I'm searching for a way to make sense of this quote of hers and what context would paint a pretty picture of it,
She said Aboriginial Australians were "JUST A STEP HIGHER THAN CHIMPANZEES IN BRAIN DEVELOPMENT."

Now, isn't that just swell?

Bobinsky, can you clear that one up at all?

reply from: Tam

Wow--what's the context for that one? This ought to be good.

reply from: ChristianLott

She said Aboriginial Australians were (NOT)"JUST A STEP HIGHER THAN CHIMPANZEES IN BRAIN DEVELOPMENT." - she was.

reply from: whosays

Alas, I fear you are right, oh little green one. Bob-o appears to have been seduced by Margaret Vader and may be forever lost to the dark-pro-choice-side.

Guess, that would make Planned Parenthood "The Death Star" - huh?

reply from: yoda

Hmmm...... I wonder what "context" that was "taken out of"?

Maybe it was in the context of discussing "inferior breedstock'?

reply from: yoda

More like the Empire are they .... abortion their Death Star is.......

reply from: KKKmember

Dont disrespect the kkk my homie g dawg

reply from: gdxcatholicxgrl

"This is par for pro-lifers, D. They scream bloody murder (pun intended) until one of their own slaughters somebody, then there's deathly (pun intended) silence from the majority. It's their sick sense of justice shining through"

'prolifers?' – are you referring to us all then?

I’d prefer it if you didn’t use my identity as a collective term when it comes to things I don’t support. If you wish to refer to a specific person rather than the very general phrase (‘pro-life’) then do so rather than assuming that everyone who’s pro-life supports killing abortion doctors. As Tam says, its fairly obvious that someone who kills isn’t pro-life, can’t you work that out for yourself?

And someone who goes against the ethic of ‘thou shalt not kill’ is not ‘one of my own’…either.

Can you point out ‘my sick sense of justice’ please?

reply from: ForLife

Earlier, you proudly compared the KKK actions to those of Muslims. Islam is the following of Satan, who Muslims call Allah. If Satan is not worthy of respect, how can the KKK be respected when you compare it to a following of Satan (Islam).

reply from: whosays

Note the title of this thread:

The KKK?

Who would look to this group for inspiration?

Answer: Racists like Margaret Sanger who would like to eliminate others that they consider to be "human weeds"!

reply from: sarah

Well said!

Pro-aborts who find it palatable to defend her, should keep that truth in mind!

reply from: Tam

Ya know, I was just browsing through this thread, reminiscing about some of Bobinsky's biggest and boldest lies, and I came upon this sentence. I thought to myself that although I'd never checked, I'd sort of assumed this was yet another lie. But today, I thought, I'd check.

So I just went to the *#^$%)# KKK web site. I waded through pretty much everything I thought might remotely lead to a link to KlanParenthood. I am about ready to vomit after that experience, let me tell you. I won't even start with all the racist garbage I found on that site, not surprisingly.

But I'll tell you what I didn't find. Any reference to KlanParenthood as a "sub-site" of the KKK. Gee, I wonder why!? Maybe because that statement was a huge, giant, steaming pile of crap?

You tell me, Bobinsky. If that is true, prove it. Give a link to the KKK page that lists KlanParenthood as a "sub-site".

Ooh, just to be sure, I just did an Advanced Search on Google, to see if the word "KlanParenthood" ever appears on either www.kkk.com or www.kkk.bz.

Guess what? Google couldn't find it, either.

Maybe the KKK realizes that the KlanParenthood site is ANYTHING BUT pro-KKK, that it exists to demonstrate the link between one despicable person (Sanger) and a despicable organization (the Klan). HELLO?

So, Bobinsky, what's the deal?

reply from: Tam

Uh, I also, just to be thorough, just went through pretty much the entire ProLifeAmerica site, including the KlanParenthood site, and found no link whatsoever to the KKK.

reply from: klansman13

your all dumb for thinking this.ima klansman and my klan has 5 negroes in it they have been in the klan since day one!

reply from: davidsmom

Okay, I know this is an old thread. And maybe we should let sleeping dogs lie, but come on...

The KKK? WHAT?! no way. With five black members? But wasn't that why the KKK was started? Did I miss something in history class or something? Maybe it's just a matter of identity crisis. Geez.

So, here we go again, folks. I can give a nice little story about how my grandfather taught me that we all bleed the same blood and blah, blah, blah.

But I won't.

This is an ANTI-ABORTION forum that's supposed to be advocating pro-life-ness.

No, I don't support the KKK, whether they're pro-life or pro-choice or whatever the h-e-double hockey sticks they are. They're a bunch of brain washed losers if you want my personal opinion on it, which all you pro-choicers and KKK members probably don't.

But hey. We need to bring back into focus that I, as a pro-life advocate and true believer, wish would stay a constant. We speak for those who can not speak. He stand up for those who can't stand up for themselves. If no one did this, my God, think of the consequences.

Phew! Only die-hard pro-lifers here, folks. Some of you pro-choicers are harsh and quick to throw in how pathetic our believes are. Just say "you're stupid" or "you don't know what you're talking about". Stop trying to bs like you know what YOU'RE talking about. Like you're experts in moral and science and religion.

No one claims to know everything here except you guys...Always throwing around your selfrighteousness like even if YOUR mother tried to abort YOU it couldn't have happened because you're somehow immune to it.

Remember what pro-life means when you're in a situation where you can't speak up for yourself and you're relying on someone else to care for you.


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