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by: faithman

We have a killer of three tell us that putting the abortionist in jail alone, while letting murderous mom go free is the only way to stop abortion. Then the neo-life phony wants to tell us that burning clinics down does no good because the woman will simply find another clinic to go to. Isn't it a little obvious that there is a little bit of an in consistancy here? If you arrest the abortionist, couldn't the womb child killer just find another assasin to hire? I say that any murder conspiracy should get all involved jail time just like those who conspier to kill the born person. and if the clinics start going up in greater numbers, it would have the same effect as arresting abortionist. Availibity is a major reason abortions happen. Close the clinics and abortion goes down. That is a simple fact. But it has been made acutely obvious that you have to be double minded to be "pro-life". You have to care more about saving the abortionist, than saving babies. And please spare us the lie about women being thrown in jail. Killer Carole aplauded a California woman illegal abortionist getting caught, and going to jail. So it isn't about sending women to jail, but about giving killer moms the same walk she got. Killer Carole has a direct conflict of interest having snuffed opu three. It is patently obvious that this serial killer of womb children's voice, is as false as a three dollar bill. You simply can not have it both ways. Either the womb child is an equal person with the born, and deserve the same defence as the born, or planned Parenthood, and their three time customer are right. The womb child is second place in personhood to killer mommies feelings. You simply can not have it both ways.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Faithman, you must be so miserable to shove people's regrets in their faces and to seem so angry and hateful. You need to grow up and learn respect and I am sure most people here would agree with that. It is also pretty sad you are hearing "grow up" and "be respectful" from someone in my generation. You are worse than anyone in my generation will ever be.

reply from: Banned Member

r-e-v-e-a-l-e-d. Sorry.

reply from: faithman

Depending on what day it is. One day killer carole says she doesn't regret, and the next day she says she does. I have no respect for a baby killer, and if growing up means I have to show that neo-life phony respect, I will stay un grown up thank you very much. A murderer is a murderer no matter how much false christianity they want to smear over it.

reply from: faithman

Thanks. I will correct.

reply from: faithman

ooops. I guess it won't let me.

reply from: ChristianLott2

fm, i agree - accomplice to murder = murderer.
unfortunately i think most women don't really understand what abortion, much less birth control entails because they are being systematically lied to by the pro choice industry.
(for instance - the bc pill is an abortifacient.)
i really don't care if every abortionist walks - i just want it made illegal and i want young men and women explicitly told what abortion and bc is really about so this mass idiocy never happens again.
on the other hand - if you wanted the death penalty for all abortionists and jail terms for those women who knowingly actively and certifiably help their 'cause' - i wouldn't protest.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Depending on what day it is. One day killer carole says she doesn't regret, and the next day she says she does. I have no respect for a baby killer, and if growing up means I have to show that neo-life phony respect, I will stay un grown up thank you very much. A murderer is a murderer no matter how much false christianity they want to smear over it.
You do know that Jesus forgave a murderer on the cross, don't you? You do know that if even Hitler asked for God's forgiveness, he would have gotten it, don't you? If your God can forgive and respect even a mass murderer, why can't you forgive her (and millions of others) for an abortion? Forgiveness is a huge aspect of Christianity isn't it? I am not positive about this but doesn't the bible say forgive to be forgiven?

reply from: bsbuster

Faithman is disturbingly obsessed with carolemarie.

reply from: galen

yep.. wonder if vexing is getting jealous.

reply from: bsbuster

Depending on what day it is. One day killer carole says she doesn't regret, and the next day she says she does. I have no respect for a baby killer, and if growing up means I have to show that neo-life phony respect, I will stay un grown up thank you very much. A murderer is a murderer no matter how much false christianity they want to smear over it.
You do know that Jesus forgave a murderer on the cross, don't you? You do know that if even Hitler asked for God's forgiveness, he would have gotten it, don't you? If your God can forgive and respect even a mass murderer, why can't you forgive her (and millions of others) for an abortion? Forgiveness is a huge aspect of Christianity isn't it? I am not positive about this but doesn't the bible say forgive to be forgiven?
It's not up to f'man to try to sort out what is in someone's heart. She's expressed regret a multitude of times, but he wants to play God, and no matter what she says, he will continue to condemn her. It's almost blasphemous that he has chosen "faith" to be a part of his name, since he so often mocks Christianity and what it stands for.
You as a non Christian and a young person, have grasped the meaning of forgiveness to a depth that some mature Christians have not.
The only thing I would correct is that I don't know for sure if the "thief on the Cross" was also a murderer. It is known he was a thief, but I have not heard that he was a murderer too.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

And this all comes from a the guy who told me to get an abortion.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Faithman just happens to be one of the worst spellers I've ever seen. Keeping a dictionary at one's desk may be a good idea.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Totally.
I sure miss those conversations about inserting a powerdrill into my groin.
Your language is just totally whack, well, not the language; you.
Out of whack: Not in proper condition.

reply from: sander

Oh? Do explain why I'm 'out of whack'.
I'm not the one suggesting that I want to put a powertool into someone's flesh and cause them to bleed to death.
That would be Hateman.
You're the one who said this; "If you were in my town, I would beat the sh*t out of you."
Hypocrite, you must have had the mirror in your hand when calling someone, "Hateman".

reply from: yoda

Sure it will. Edit the first post, and look at the top of the post box.

reply from: yoda

Just what we needed...... a sermon from a baby killer.

reply from: yoda

Didn't you get the memo? Proaborts are allowed to hate anyone, and threaten all sorts of violence against them.

reply from: sander

Didn't you get the memo? Proaborts are allowed to hate anyone, and threaten all sorts of violence against them.
I put the memo in the round file where all trash belongs.

reply from: sander

Just what we needed...... a sermon from a baby killer.
Yeah, isn't that rich?
Yikes almighty, these knuckleheads know no shame.

reply from: bsbuster

Just what we needed...... a sermon from a baby killer.
I don't believe she has aborted so I don't think we can call her a "baby killer" yet.
Maybe you could find another 17 year old you could call that, though.
But what she said is true. Being a prochoicer does not invalidate the Truth about Jesus' forgiveness of sinners. This was a message faithman needed to hear from her. Just because he makes a few prolife statements does not mean that he is not entirely screwed up. Even a misguided proabort can see he has some serious problems with hate, and that he has an obsession with abusing CM and others.

reply from: sander

She all ready invalidated Jesus. That withstanding, the rest is true, those who don't see the value of human babies has no standing in life issues.

reply from: ChristianLott2

Jesus forgives those who ask forgiveness. A pro abort does not ask forgiveness, in their mind they've done nothing wrong.

reply from: Banned Member

Actually, he forgave a thief on the Cross.

reply from: bsbuster

Jesus forgives those who ask forgiveness. A pro abort does not ask forgiveness, in their mind they've done nothing wrong.
What's wrong with helping to set the stage for that some day?
Why not show a little kindness to them instead of thrashing them at every opportunity? Why make them think Christians are mean people who just like to throw stones at the sinners? Why not be ambassadors of good will?
Kay is a 17 year old girl who is currently backing the wrong horse, but why not present Christians and Christianity in a way that would make her at least contemplate changing sides?

reply from: bsbuster

What do you mean?
I don't know what she means either, but I do know that Jesus died for Kay and that he loves her.

reply from: faithman

Jesus forgives those who ask forgiveness. A pro abort does not ask forgiveness, in their mind they've done nothing wrong.
What's wrong with helping to set the stage for that some day?
Why not show a little kindness to them instead of thrashing them at every opportunity? Why make them think Christians are mean people who just like to throw stones at the sinners? Why not be ambassadors of good will?
Kay is a 17 year old girl who is currently backing the wrong horse, but why not present Christians and Christianity in a way that would make her at least contemplate changing sides?
Here is what your dumb ass just don't get. While you are playing all kissy face with death skancs, the babies are dying. Your brand of mercy comes at too high a price. The blood of womb children cries out against the ones who slaughtered them, and the ones who bust your kind of BS all over them. You are totally willing to ignore the innocent child being murdered, and lavish protection over the monsters who kill them. That makes you one of the monsters.

reply from: sheri

I really liked the original spelling of the title of this post a lot better, it was so much more true. Thanks a lot Yoda!

reply from: bsbuster

Jesus forgives those who ask forgiveness. A pro abort does not ask forgiveness, in their mind they've done nothing wrong.
What's wrong with helping to set the stage for that some day?
Why not show a little kindness to them instead of thrashing them at every opportunity? Why make them think Christians are mean people who just like to throw stones at the sinners? Why not be ambassadors of good will?
Kay is a 17 year old girl who is currently backing the wrong horse, but why not present Christians and Christianity in a way that would make her at least contemplate changing sides?
Here is what your dumb ass just don't get. While you are playing all kissy face with death skancs, the babies are dying. Your brand of mercy comes at too high a price. The blood of womb children cries out against the ones who slaughtered them, and the ones who bust your kind of BS all over them. You are totally willing to ignore the innocent child being murdered, and lavish protection over the monsters who kill them. That makes you one of the monsters.
She's a 17 year old girl posting on a message board for something to do.
She's not a "death scanc."
Maybe if she sees that Christians can be kind and reasonable, she might listen to what they say. We are supposed to be Christ for others, and if we make Christ seem like he is a mean SOB, then we are not doing our job, and we are chasing people away.
You do nothing for the "womb children" by calling Kay names and by being mean to her. That kind of nonsense is totally selfish and motivated by ego. It does NOTHING for the babies, and puts a bad face on Chritianity for nonbelievers.
I have hope she will be prolife one day, but if she does, it will not be because it was beaten into her.

reply from: faithman

We have a killer of three tell us that putting the abortionist in jail alone, while letting murderous mom go free is the only way to stop abortion. Then the neo-life phony wants to tell us that burning clinics down does no good because the woman will simply find another clinic to go to. Isn't it a little obvious that there is a little bit of an in consistancy here? If you arrest the abortionist, couldn't the womb child killer just find another assasin to hire? I say that any murder conspiracy should get all involved jail time just like those who conspier to kill the born person. and if the clinics start going up in greater numbers, it would have the same effect as arresting abortionist. Availibity is a major reason abortions happen. Close the clinics and abortion goes down. That is a simple fact. But it has been made acutely obvious that you have to be double minded to be "pro-life". You have to care more about saving the abortionist, than saving babies. And please spare us the lie about women being thrown in jail. Killer Carole aplauded a California woman illegal abortionist getting caught, and going to jail. So it isn't about sending women to jail, but about giving killer moms the same walk she got. Killer Carole has a direct conflict of interest having snuffed opu three. It is patently obvious that this serial killer of womb children's voice, is as false as a three dollar bill. You simply can not have it both ways. Either the womb child is an equal person with the born, and deserve the same defence as the born, or planned Parenthood, and their three time customer are right. The womb child is second place in personhood to killer mommies feelings. You simply can not have it both ways.

reply from: carolemarie

Killer Carole aplauded a California woman illegal abortionist getting caught, and going to jail. So it isn't about sending women to jail, but about giving killer moms the same walk she got. Killer Carole has a direct conflict of interest having snuffed opu three. It is patently obvious that this serial killer of womb children's voice, is as false as a three dollar bill. You simply can not have it both ways. Either the womb child is an equal person with the born, and deserve the same defence as the born, or planned Parenthood, and their three time customer are right. The womb child is second place in personhood to killer mommies feelings. You simply can not have it both ways.
As long as abortion is legal, closing a clinic will not stop abortion because there are other clinics open. This should be obvious even to you.
Making performing abortion against the law would close all abortion clinics, ending virtually all abortion and make burning clinics down unnecessary.
This is simple logic that even you should be able to follow!
And as for people perfoming medicine without a licence and maiming people to make a buck--who wouldn't support them being jailed?

reply from: faithman

Killer Carole aplauded a California woman illegal abortionist getting caught, and going to jail. So it isn't about sending women to jail, but about giving killer moms the same walk she got. Killer Carole has a direct conflict of interest having snuffed opu three. It is patently obvious that this serial killer of womb children's voice, is as false as a three dollar bill. You simply can not have it both ways. Either the womb child is an equal person with the born, and deserve the same defence as the born, or planned Parenthood, and their three time customer are right. The womb child is second place in personhood to killer mommies feelings. You simply can not have it both ways.
As long as abortion is legal, closing a clinic will not stop abortion because there are other clinics open. This should be obvious even to you.
Making performing abortion against the law would close all abortion clinics, ending virtually all abortion and make burning clinics down unnecessary.
This is simple logic that even you should be able to follow!
And as for people perfoming medicine without a licence and maiming people to make a buck--who wouldn't support them being jailed?
What is obvious is how incredibly stupid you are. Evertime a clinic closes the abortion rate goes down. Your post has no logic to follow. SSSSSOOOOO you are not against women going to jail, just those who kill their womb children? Yeah, thats real logical.

reply from: carolemarie

There are 6 other clinics in Dallas. So they will just go to one of those.
If there isn't a clinic in your city, you will have to drive farther. These are not insurmountable problems.

reply from: yoda

Always glad to be of service!

reply from: yoda

And in driving to another city, a woman will have more time to consider and reconsider her decision. That's how I saved one baby here in Knoxville, so please don't disdain any legitimate way to save babies. I'm sure that baby I saved would disagree with you.

reply from: faithman

SSSSOOOO insted of defending the womb child from killers, you advocate the centers remain open, and serial killers like you go free. Boy, what a pro-life stance!!!

reply from: carolemarie

This was in refrernence to "burning the clinics down"
Closing 1 clinic in Dallas will not stop anything since there are plenty more to choose from

reply from: faithman

SSSSOOO if all 6 closed you would be against it because closing clinics does no good?

reply from: Faramir

And in driving to another city, a woman will have more time to consider and reconsider her decision. That's how I saved one baby here in Knoxville, so please don't disdain any legitimate way to save babies. I'm sure that baby I saved would disagree with you.
The context of this discussion is an abortion clinic being shut down because of violence. This seems to be an approval of that.
And if you allegedly save a baby by making a woman travel farther, what about those you destroy by supporting violent activities the cause restrictions that prevent conselors from doing their work?

reply from: faithman

And in driving to another city, a woman will have more time to consider and reconsider her decision. That's how I saved one baby here in Knoxville, so please don't disdain any legitimate way to save babies. I'm sure that baby I saved would disagree with you.
The context of this discussion is an abortion clinic being shut down because of violence. This seems to be an approval of that.
And if you allegedly save a baby by making a woman travel farther, what about those you destroy by supporting violent activities the cause restrictions that prevent conselors from doing their work?
SSSSOOOO you are for keeping the killing centers open just so folks can yack at killers? I would say that is pretty selfish, and once again you would rather protect the killers than putting them out of business. How womb child of you.

reply from: nancyu

I also had a giggle at that!
Imperfect spelling does not equal stupidity. His point gets across to anyone with half a brain, a functioning heart, and a smidgen of a conscience.
Doing any tiny thing to give support to the practice of abortion (child murder) That is stupidity.

reply from: nancyu

Killer Carole aplauded a California woman illegal abortionist getting caught, and going to jail. So it isn't about sending women to jail, but about giving killer moms the same walk she got. Killer Carole has a direct conflict of interest having snuffed opu three. It is patently obvious that this serial killer of womb children's voice, is as false as a three dollar bill. You simply can not have it both ways. Either the womb child is an equal person with the born, and deserve the same defence as the born, or planned Parenthood, and their three time customer are right. The womb child is second place in personhood to killer mommies feelings. You simply can not have it both ways.
Abortion is NOT legal. An unborn child is a person, it is not legal to murder persons. Abortion causes the murder of a person, It is not legal. You on the other hand are not a person, you are another pro abort clump of tissue.
What happened to your compromising attitude, if closing one clinic stops some abortions, what is wrong with that.
There is no better way of making abortion illegal than to begin today to treat unborn children as persons, Something you are unwilling to do, leading me to the obvious conclusion that you are pro abortion.
This just shows your desire for revenge, I guess you care more about revenge, than saving babies. Shame on you!
And learn to spell, or your cohorts will think you're stupid. It's "performing" and "license."
You are the one who is incapable of following logic. You have been lied to by Planned Parenthood for so many years, you believe their lies to be the truth.

reply from: nancyu

Oh? Do explain why I'm 'out of whack'.
I'm not the one suggesting that I want to put a powertool into someone's flesh and cause them to bleed to death.
That would be Hateman.
A "clump of tissue" is not a someone. So he suggested no violence against a person. Abortionists do this every day, though, thousands of times per day, in fact, to unborn children, who ARE persons.
A clump of tissue is what you are vexing, until you stop supporting the murder children. When you become pro personhood for the child in the womb, I promise to fight for your personhood, too.
The same promise goes to the rest of you Clump Of Tissue pro aborts, too.

reply from: cracrat

Licence is valid. Depends if you're using English or your wierd American version.

reply from: nancyu

Who cares you pro abort COT scum.

reply from: nancyu

Don't bet on it.
I care for the babies you would throw away, for you I wouldn't offer a hand if you were drowning.

reply from: carolemarie

Nancy is another one who doesn't mind death as long as she chooses who dies.
It is not a prolife position, no matter how you want to dress it up.
It is wrong to kill babies and it is wrong to support killing born people.

reply from: nancyu

More stupidity revealed. I don't support killing born people dummy. But pro aborts are NOT people.
My response is not an indication of caring for pro aborts, it is an indication of defending unborn people who are being attacked. If I saw someone coming after my child I would respond, that does not mean that I care for the attacker, but for my child.

reply from: nancyu

And carolemarie is pro abort scum who won't support personhood for the child in the womb. Therefore, I won't support person hood for her either.
She is pro life, but only for her own.

reply from: Faramir

And carolemarie is pro abort scum who won't support personhood for the child in the womb. Therefore, I won't support person hood for her either.
She is pro life, but only for her own.
I really don't think obsessive and mentally unstable people should be allowed to post here.
This is going way too far.

reply from: nancyu

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth. Bump

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Lol. You are really *****ed up aren't you? Pro-Choicers fit the criteria of "human" more than any first trimester "unborn baby". I bet you failed your science classes in school didn't you?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

And carolemarie is pro abort scum who won't support personhood for the child in the womb. Therefore, I won't support person hood for her either.
She is pro life, but only for her own.
Who the ***** are you to call someone else scum?

reply from: joe

I agree Faramir. What are you still doing here?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

How very pro-life of you.

reply from: joe

Do you have a problem? Ripping apart unborn human beings, then you turn around and act self-righteous.
Scum is a compliment...freak!

reply from: Faramir

I know I do.
I feel embarrassed for her that she has to witness her mom behaving like a loony toon.
But her craziness is only half of it. She's hateful and vindictive too.
This board should be moderaterd so that at least her abusive tendencies could be kept in check.

reply from: Faramir

Unless of course she is an alter ego of faithman. There was a rumor to that effect. She certainly has the same kind of hatefulness and the same obsession with carolemarie. I have heard that the two of them have never been logged in at the same time.
But whether one or two, they sure have a lot of hate going for them. Thankfully, most of the prolifers I've met in real life were normal, or I might think they're all kooks, were I to judge by this site.
So, xen, you have no excuse for rejecting the prolife position because of all the crazies you see here, since THIS BOARD IS NOT THE FACE OF THE PROLIFE MOVEMENT, and I thank God for that.

reply from: nancyu

You underestimate my daughter.

reply from: 4given

How many accounts do you have here Faramir?

reply from: carolemarie

Your POV isn't what makes you a person, rather it is your DNA.

reply from: GratiaPlena

Can we please get to defending the babies sometime soon, or would you people rather obsess about Carole? I guess the babies just aren't very important to you all...

reply from: sander

I'd rather walk on glass than to be praised by someone who thinks nothing of murderering an innocent child in the womb.
I'd shrink in embrassament and shame if Hitler patted me on the back and I see you people in the same light.
A murderer of the innocent is evil at it's height.

reply from: sander

Then re-read slowly this time:
I'd rather walk on glass than to be praised by someone who thinks nothing of murderering an innocent child in the womb.
I'd shrink in embrassament and shame if Hitler patted me on the back and I see you people in the same light.
A murderer of the innocent is evil at it's height.
I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to defend the lives of the child in the womb. I don't care who likes me and who doesn't.
I'm able to put the baby above all else.
And this board was NOT created to debate you poraborts in the first place, you are only tolerated here by the owner of this board.
Personally, I think debating you people is an exercise in fultility, it's you people that dirty the place up and interfer with the real purpose.
So, bottom line, I could NOT possibly care less if you understand my reasoning or not.

reply from: jujujellybean

I like that idea....what is their problem? What do they think they are solving by torturing her like they do?

reply from: ChristianLott2

So maybe you will cut the bs and take a hike

reply from: yoda

Will someone please reboot that computer..... it's stuck!

reply from: yoda

I like that idea....what is their problem?
Defending babies is what I'm here for. And I'll defend them against anyone here..... whether they call themselves proabort, prochoice, OR "prolife".

reply from: Faramir

I like that idea....what is their problem? What do they think they are solving by torturing her like they do?
It's fun for some of them to do the torturing and it's fun for some of them to watch. And at least one likes to do a bad imitation of a wise and kindly man, while sticking the knife in, in very sneaky ways.
Let's face the fact that we are amongst some hateful and unbalanced prolifers here. Thank God for posters like you and GratiaPlena who see through it. This nonsense is NOT "for the babies," and it's not about "passion." It's about elevating themselves by tearing others down.
They exploit the babies when they come here to demean others, whether they are browbeating the prochoicers or the prolifers.
And what is most ironic is that carolemarie is out there saving babies. Could this be a case of "professional jealousy"?
Who knows? But it's crazy, and I never expected this from prolifers.

reply from: Faramir

And carolemarie is pro abort scum who won't support personhood for the child in the womb. Therefore, I won't support person hood for her either.
She is pro life, but only for her own.
See above, 4gvien. If you see this as caring about the babies and passion for the unborn, then I'm afraid you're as crazy and vicious as nancyu.
She's using "the babies" as an excuse to be abusive.
Isn't that obvious?
If she were only a kook, I would not say antyhing. But she she crosses the line when she combines her kookiness with abuse.
If this were a moderated board, the likes of her and faithman would have been booted. Even proaborts are more civil.
But the worst is that they give prolifers a black eye.
Hopefully the lurkers can see that they and their kind are not a reflection of the average prolifer who is sane and compassionate.

reply from: nancyu

I like that idea....what is their problem? What do they think they are solving by torturing her like they do?
Beeeecauuussseee. Her attitudes are ones which pro long and perpetuate the laws that support abortion. Her attitudes need to change, and so do yours jujujuju, and gp. Your attitudes don't treat the unborn as persons.
We're NOT obsessed with Carole, she is obsessed with us, because she knows we are right, and it scares her. Maybe that is your problem too.
Please, if you don't like it try taking a long walk off a short pier. Make like a tree and leave. Make like the wind and blow. and STOP CALLING YOURSELF PRO LIFE!

reply from: nancyu

I like that idea....what is their problem? What do they think they are solving by torturing her like they do?
While I'm (obviously) not pro-life, I agree with you JuJu!
Does this tell you anything juju?

reply from: Faramir

I like that idea....what is their problem? What do they think they are solving by torturing her like they do?
Beeeecauuussseee. Her attitudes are ones which pro long and perpetuate the laws that support abortion. Her attitudes need to change, and so do yours jujujuju, and gp. Your attitudes don't treat the unborn as persons.
We're NOT obsessed with Carole, she is obsessed with us, because she knows we are right, and it scares her. Maybe that is your problem too.
Please, if you don't like it try taking a long walk off a short pier. Make like a tree and leave. Make like the wind and blow. and STOP CALLING YOURSELF PRO LIFE!
Sorry juju, you're not prolife either. If you don't applaud the bomb throwers or hate carolemarie, you're not "in."
Does anyone know of a prolife board that is moderated and is not dominated by haters and kooks?

reply from: faithman

I like that idea....what is their problem? What do they think they are solving by torturing her like they do?
Beeeecauuussseee. Her attitudes are ones which pro long and perpetuate the laws that support abortion. Her attitudes need to change, and so do yours jujujuju, and gp. Your attitudes don't treat the unborn as persons.
We're NOT obsessed with Carole, she is obsessed with us, because she knows we are right, and it scares her. Maybe that is your problem too.
Please, if you don't like it try taking a long walk off a short pier. Make like a tree and leave. Make like the wind and blow. and STOP CALLING YOURSELF PRO LIFE!
Sorry juju, you're not prolife either. If you don't applaud the bomb throwers or hate carolemarie, you're not "in."
Does anyone know of a prolife board that is moderated and is not dominated by haters and kooks?
Yeah! It is called dullsville, and that is why you keep comming back to this one. We don't hate CM, just her phony life stance. No amount of "good works" can cover up the fact that she is pro-babykiller.

reply from: Faramir

I like that idea....what is their problem?
Defending babies is what I'm here for. And I'll defend them against anyone here..... whether they call themselves proabort, prochoice, OR "prolife".
Very true. Every wiseass comment, nasty dig, and misrepresentation of other posters, along with his 13,963 posts that say "bump" were all "for the babies." Think of how many he has defedned by being here.
But I wonder if someone picks up on carolemarie's idea and goes out and saves babies by counseling women with love and understanding, if that counts as "defending babies."
I suppose it doesn't count, since she's not nasty about it. If you're not hateful, you're NOT FOR THE BABIES.

reply from: GratiaPlena

Don't forget me, I'm not pro-life either

reply from: Faramir

Sorry, I don't want you to feel left out.
You're another one of those dangerous "prolifers" from whom yodavater must defend "the babies."
That's why he's here.

reply from: Faramir

But the double standards are "for the babies."
When yodavater expels gas, it's "for the babies."

reply from: Faramir

But the double standards are "for the babies."
When yodavater expels gas, it's "for the babies."
Yoda is not alone in this by any means. There are other birds on this forum wearing the same feathers.
That's true.
I should not give their self-appointed leader all the credit.

reply from: cracrat

See, that's why there is absolutely no point in someone like me becoming pro-life.
I'll be accused of being a pro-abort anyway, so why bother?
Because it's the right thing to do. I think that the 'real' pro-lifers here would rather get cancer before associating with me. I am, by default, pro-choice because I disagree with them on the best way of fixing this problem, but I know I do what I can and I know I'm trying to do the right thing. You don't need to satisfy anyone but yourself with what you do, and if you're doing something to merit the approval of others you're doing it for the wrong reasons.

reply from: nancyu

See, that's why there is absolutely no point in someone like me becoming pro-life.
I'll be accused of being a pro-abort anyway, so why bother?
Because it's the right thing to do. I think that the 'real' pro-lifers here would rather get cancer before associating with me. I am, by default, pro-choice because I disagree with them on the best way of fixing this problem, but I know I do what I can and I know I'm trying to do the right thing. You don't need to satisfy anyone but yourself with what you do, and if you're doing something to merit the approval of others you're doing it for the wrong reasons.

reply from: faithman

See, that's why there is absolutely no point in someone like me becoming pro-life.
I'll be accused of being a pro-abort anyway, so why bother?
Because it's the right thing to do. I think that the 'real' pro-lifers here would rather get cancer before associating with me. I am, by default, pro-choice because I disagree with them on the best way of fixing this problem, but I know I do what I can and I know I'm trying to do the right thing. You don't need to satisfy anyone but yourself with what you do, and if you're doing something to merit the approval of others you're doing it for the wrong reasons.
The perverbial nail has been struck on the noggin. Personhhood folk on this forum have no "leader". We have merely met fellow travelers walking the same direction. My IAAP cards are used by people I have big disagreements with. CM is the most glaring example. We didn't form an opinion about the issue, the issue has formed our opinion. And we are willing to help any pro-lifer be successful, even if we do not totally agree. We are not here to "lead", we are here to serve. It is a race up the hill to personhood. We do not care if we get beat up the hill, and will celibrate who ever gets there first. Because when the race is over, the babies stop dying. No phony "leaders", no compromised false goal, only equality thru personhood will satisfy. My loyalty is to no man, organization, or backwards collar wearing judas. My loyalty belongs to those who bear the pre-born image of Christ. The little ones are who I fight for, and no one else. Everthing else, including me are expendable. What people think of me is not worth one child dying at the hands of an abortionist. This mess ends when we estabish personhood and secure the blessing of Life to the posterity of this land. If you want to lend a hand, great!! Get armed and get busy. If you want to get in the way, then don't whine when personhood cleated boats gives you a back rub.

reply from: jujujellybean

I like that idea....what is their problem? What do they think they are solving by torturing her like they do?
While I'm (obviously) not pro-life, I agree with you JuJu!
And then they'll say I'm pro choice for simply associating with you...crazy people, huh?

reply from: faithman

See, that's why there is absolutely no point in someone like me becoming pro-life.
I'll be accused of being a pro-abort anyway, so why bother?
Because it's the right thing to do. I think that the 'real' pro-lifers here would rather get cancer before associating with me. I am, by default, pro-choice because I disagree with them on the best way of fixing this problem, but I know I do what I can and I know I'm trying to do the right thing. You don't need to satisfy anyone but yourself with what you do, and if you're doing something to merit the approval of others you're doing it for the wrong reasons.
The perverbial nail has been struck on the noggin. Personhhood folk on this forum have no "leader". We have merely met fellow travelers walking the same direction. My IAAP cards are used by people I have big disagreements with. CM is the most glaring example. We didn't form an opinion about the issue, the issue has formed our opinion. And we are willing to help any pro-lifer be successful, even if we do not totally agree. We are not here to "lead", we are here to serve. It is a race up the hill to personhood. We do not care if we get beat up the hill, and will celibrate who ever gets there first. Because when the race is over, the babies stop dying. No phony "leaders", no compromised false goal, only equality thru personhood will satisfy. My loyalty is to no man, organization, or backwards collar wearing judas. My loyalty belongs to those who bear the pre-born image of Christ. The little ones are who I fight for, and no one else. Everthing else, including me are expendable. What people think of me is not worth one child dying at the hands of an abortionist. This mess ends when we estabish personhood and secure the blessing of Life to the posterity of this land. If you want to lend a hand, great!! Get armed and get busy. If you want to get in the way, then don't whine when personhood cleated boats gives you a back rub.

reply from: nancyu

Well ultimately, I'm pro-life, as I want this to become a world where no-one ever feels they need to have an abortion. Where every pregnancy is planned and wanted.
And ultimately I'm vegetarian. I only eat meat when it is really necessary. I only eat meat that is unwanted, and unplanned.

reply from: galen

vexing if you are ultimately prolife... then why favour abortion anyway?
i guess i'm asking why would you ever say that its ok to kill the child if you ultimately want all children to be alive and wanted..? All children have the opportunity to be adopted if they are unwanted.. they just have to be given to the right parents. and there are more than enough people out there who want them. i think this problem of adoption could be solved if they took out 90% of the red tape involved in th process.

reply from: galen

the parents are out there... just look at the adoption roles on the net...

reply from: galen

vexing said:
If we can foster an environment where all pregnancies are planned and wanted, there would be no abortion, correct? Y/N?
yes...so foster it not abortion.

reply from: galen

yes right now i believe so.. especially as thye # of abortions do not equal the # of viable pregnancies... but all things being equal many who adopt would adopt more than 1 child if they could... and this is world wide so yes i do think it would work. Not to mention the # of women who would be more carefu of contraception and sex if they knew they would have to carry and give birth to the child.

reply from: faithman

Over 2 million couples are waiting to adopt.

reply from: yoda

Well ultimately, I'm pro-life, as I want this to become a world where no-one ever feels they need to have an abortion. Where every pregnancy is planned and wanted.
And ultimately I'm vegetarian. I only eat meat when it is really necessary. I only eat meat that is unwanted, and unplanned.
How ironic that a radical, extremist proabort would claim to be "pro-life".

reply from: nancyu

Nice try, but my statement makes sense.
Yours does not.
Explain how your statement makes more sense. Do you know anyone willing to adopt all of those cows and chickens if we stop slaughtering them for food?

reply from: nancyu

Over 2 million couples are waiting to adopt.
Cows and chickens?

reply from: faithman

Over 2 million couples are waiting to adopt.
Where does this stat come from? Source please.
If it is true, what happens when these 2 million people are used up?
Where do the babies go then?
http://statistics.adoption.com/information/adoption-statistics-hoping-to-adopt.html

reply from: RiverMoonLady

"According to the 1988 National Survey on Family Growth, about 2 million women ages 15 to 44 (3.5%) had ever sought to adopt a child.
Of these, 1.3 million did not adopt and are no longer seeking.
620,000 have adopted one or more children.
204,000 are currently seeking to adopt.
(Bachrach, London, Maza, 1991)"
20-year-old data which states that there were 204,000 people waiting to adopt, not 2 MILLION.
PEOPLE, not COUPLES
204,000, not TWO MILLION
in 1988, not 2008
Your "statistics" are the result of reading too fast or not understanding what you read. I am more than happy to check your sources for you.
Also please note the following:
"There are Several Types of Adoptions:
Public:
Children in the public child welfare system are placed in permanent homes by public, government-operated agencies, or by private agencies contracted by a public agency to place waiting children. In 1992, 15.5% of adoptions (19,753) were public agency adoptions. (Flango and Flango, 1994)
Between 1951 and 1975 the percentage of adoptive placements by public agencies more than doubled from 18% in 1951 to 38% in 1975 (Maza, 1984), and has since fallen to approximately 15% to 20% of all adoptions. (Flango and Flango, 1994)
Private:
In a private agency adoption, children are placed in non-relative homes through the services of a non-profit or for-profit agency which may be licensed by the State in which it operates. In an independent or non-agency adoption, children are placed in non-relative homes directly by the birthparents or through the services of one of the following: a licensed or unlicensed facilitator, certified medical doctor, member of the clergy, or attorney. There were 47,627 adoptions (37.5%) of this type in 1992. (Flango and Flango, 1994)
The highest percentage of adoptions completed by private agencies was 45% in 1970. Between 1951 and 1975, the percentage of adoptive placements not made under agency auspices declined substantially from 53% of all adoptions in 1951 to 23% of all adoptions in 1975. The lowest percentage was in 1971 and 1972 when independent adoptions constituted only 21% of all reported adoptions. (Maza, 1984)
Kinship:
Children are placed in relatives' homes, with or without the services of a public agency.
Stepparent:
Children are adopted by the spouse of one birth parent.
Of adoptions in 1992, the plurality (53,525, or 42%) were either kinship or stepparent adoptions. (Flango and Flango, 1994)
The proportion of adoptions by related individuals steadily increased from 1944 to 1975 until they constituted over 60% of all adoptions. Since almost all adoptions by related petitioners are handled independently, it is likely that by the 1970's a substantial proportion of independent adoptions were by related petitioners. (Maza, 1984) The late 1980s and 1990s showed dramatic increases in kinship placements in public agency adoptions as children entering foster care were placed in the homes of relatives, and these placements were finalized as kinship adoptions.
Transracial:
Children are placed with an adoptive family of another race. While these placements may be made by either a public or private agency, or may be independent, the term usually refers to the adoption of a child through the public child welfare system. The most recent estimates, which include intercountry adoptions, found that 8% of adoptions were transracial. (Stolley, 1993)
Intercountry/International:
Children who are citizens of a foreign nation are adopted by U.S. families and brought to the United States. This area of adoption has been practiced since the 1950's, but has shown a dramatic increased in the past decade. In 1992, there were 6,536(5%)international adoptees brought to the United States; in 1997, that number increased to 13,620. (United States Department of State)
States with the highest number of adoptions are states with greater populations. In 1992, California lead with 14,722 adoptions. New York was second with 9,570, Texas third with 8,235, Florida fourth with 6,839, and Illinois fifth with 6,599 adoptions. (Flango and Flango, 1994)
It is estimated that about 1 million children in the United States live with adoptive parents, and that between 2% to 4% of American families include an adopted child. (Stolley, 1993)"
There ARE NOT and HAVE NEVER BEEN 2 million children waiting for adoption.

reply from: faithman

You turned what I said around. I said 2million couples waiting to adopt, not 2million children.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Well, at least he doesn't call himself "Factman."

reply from: yoda

It is a fact that there is a waiting list for adoptable newborn babies.
That is enough of a reason not to abort.
http://www.parentprofiles.com

reply from: sander

Facts don't matter, especially when some would rather lambast Faithman for lambasting others. It's much more fun for them to be a hypocrite then actually care about what has been offered here concerning adoption figures.

reply from: yoda

Even if the old curmudgeon deserved all the flak he gets, the very act of giving flak does nothing at all for the protection of unborn babies.... but then, maybe that's their idea?

reply from: MC3

Regarding adoption, Vexing is trying to run a shell game based on some faulty assumptions. The good news is, her lies and distortions are easily exposed.
First, her basic argument assumes that, without abortion, the number of children needing parents would skyrocket. That assumption is based on the "sub-assumption" that the pregnancy rate would remain the same if abortion is outlawed. Let me assure you that is not the case. When the time comes that abortion is not relied upon as back-up birth control, most men and virtually all women will be far more careful about unintended pregnancies.
Second, her argument assumes that, once abortion is again illegal, every woman who would have had an abortion will want to place her baby for adoption. There is nothing to support that contention. To the contrary, we know that, before abortion became legal, relatively few women with unplanned pregnancies placed their babies for adoption. America's pre-Roe experience proves that unplanned (or even unwanted) pregnancies do not necessarily produce unwanted children. At the moment a new mother sees her baby for the first time, even the most unwanted pregnancy usually turns into a very wanted baby.
Vexing's third assumption is that the people currently on adoption waiting lists represent the entirety of people who would like to adopt. That's another lie. The reality is, existing waiting lists only account for those few people in the upper middle class or wealthy segments of our society. The shortage of babies has caused the cost of adoption to soar out of reach for the vast majority of people. When a middle-income family or below decides to consider adoption, what they quickly discover is that there is simply no reason to put themselves on a waiting list to adopt a baby. That has severely limited the number of people officially expressing an interest in adoption. But if children were not being slaughtered by the thousands every day, the supply of available babies would go up, the cost of adoption would go down, and the number of people able to adopt would skyrocket.
Fourth, Vexing's argument is also based on the assumption that everyone on a waiting list to adopt would only adopt one child. That, too, is a lie. In reality, the vast majority of adoptive parents would happily jump at the chance to adopt more than one child if it were financially possible to do so. And again, if children were not being exterminated by the boxcar, that would indeed be financially possible.
Other factors that increase the pool of potential adoptive parents is the growing problem of infertility and the fact that there is now less stigma attached to single parent adoptions.
The bottom line is that the chances of a baby not being adopted - whether abortion is legal or illegal - are minuscule. As anyone who has studied this issue knows, the problem with adoption is not babies but older children. And since they are already born, that problem has nothing to do with abortion. Of course, abortion defenders often counter that fact with the argument that if newborns were not available, families would be more likely to adopt these older children. In other words, the pro-choice solution is to force people to take the children society wants them to adopt, by brutally slaughtering the children they want to adopt.
Now, if the abortion lobby honestly believes that they are only killing babies no one wants, and that protecting the unborn will produce thousands of un-adoptable babies every day, I have a proposal. Let's launch a national computer database where people who want to adopt a baby can register. Any pregnant woman who doesn't want her baby would have access to this database. If there is someone in the database who wants to adopt her baby, she could not legally have an abortion. But if no one is willing to take her baby, she could legally have the child killed by abortion.
Of course, we all know that the abortion lobby is never going to take this deal because they know it would immediately bankrupt every one of their death camps. They realize that there is no such thing as an unwanted baby and that every single child they butcher is wanted by someone.

reply from: galen

nice way to put it MC3..

reply from: galen

me too if i'm around. i know my husband would... he loves kids.

reply from: GratiaPlena

I seriously doubt all 4000 kids who would have been aborted are going to be put up for adoption. A lot of mothers would keep their children.


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