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What, no takers?

by: yoda

To anyone who finds a post from FM or Joe that says "that killing abortion providers is good prolife work that God would approve of", I offer a cash reward of $2.
Any takers?

reply from: yoda

What, no takers?
I'm going to bed....... I'll check this tomorrow.

reply from: carolemarie

SHEESH !!!! For the thousanded time, yes it is justifiable to stop evil aggression with lethal force. 2000 years of christian history, every country on the planet, and just plain common sence say so
Here is a nice sweet Faithman quote, supporting lethal force and backing it up with 2000 years of Christian history--you can pm me for the address to send the cahs to

reply from: bsbuster

Here's an easy way to solve this:
Joe and/or Faithman, Is killing abortion providers a good prolife work that God would approve of?
Maybe if you answer honestly, you could get the $2 reward.

reply from: carolemarie

Even better:
Joe/Faithman will you say that what Paul Hill did was wrong and unChristian behavior, or will you continue to call him a hero?
Quit talking around the whole thing. Either you support his actions or you don't.

reply from: yoda

That's not even close to what I asked for.
Nowhere in that quote does it say "that killing abortion providers is good prolife work that God would approve of".
It's such a general statement that it could apply to almost anything, like a serial child killer, a serial rapist/murderer, a gang of hoodlums terrorizing the countryside, almost anything.
It's just not nice to put words in people's mouths and then attack them because of the words that YOU put there.

reply from: yoda

Here's an easy way to solve this: Joe and/or Faithman, Is killing abortion providers a good prolife work that God would approve of? .
Wait..... you actually want to let them speak for themselves, instead of putting words in their mouths? What a radical concept...... !!

reply from: faithman

Here's an easy way to solve this:
Joe and/or Faithman, Is killing abortion providers a good prolife work that God would approve of?
Maybe if you answer honestly, you could get the $2 reward.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

Aren't you going to answer, F-Boy?

reply from: nancyu

No, no. Not on PEOPLE. Just pro aborts. They're not people, they're clumps of tissue.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

No, no. Not on PEOPLE. Just pro aborts. They're not people, they're clumps of tissue.
We're people. If we're not how come we have names and SS numbers and stuff?

reply from: faithman

Here's an easy way to solve this: Joe and/or Faithman, Is killing abortion providers a good prolife work that God would approve of? .
Wait..... you actually want to let them speak for themselves, instead of putting words in their mouths? What a radical concept...... !!
Let me start my answere by stating I am not pro-life, I am pro-personhood. Pro-life is to full of traitors like Pravone and Benham, I just don't care to be numbered with them. My stance has always been that if you believe that the womb child is equal in humanity to the born child, then they should be afforded the same consideration, and protections under the law. If it is just to use force to defend the born child, then equality of personhood demands the same be true for the womb child. Now you can read between the lines all you want, and can play the same word twisting games as the bortheads as you wish. But all it proves is that you would rather protect the evil aggressor, than defend the ones they kill. You simply can not have it both ways. And I find it really funny that a baby killer like CM shows she has not truely repented at all. For she would have future killers like her walk free, and would fight equality of personhood if her sista's didnt get such special consideration. If abortion is murder, then all involved in that conspiracy to end innocent life should be punished. I don't think anyone would say abortion on demand is a just law. And yet CM is a benifactor of that unjust law, and has been given a free pass for murdering her 3 womb children. She continues her evil aggression towards the womb child, by opposing their equality so ease her murderous conscience, and assure future killers get a walk. This hypocracy is futher exposed on this forum, when she aplauds that a woman abortionist gets jail time. This proves that she is not against women going to jail, but against women who pay for the murder of their children should not go to jail. Since when in this country have we let those who pay hired killers go free? You idiot pacifist dishonestly ignore these issue, and prove that you aggree with planned parenthood, that the interest of the womb child is second in consideration to the woman who pays for their death, and would rather protect the abortionist than those who kill them. Once again, you simple can not have it both ways.

reply from: carolemarie

Answer the questions since Yoda can't understand a direct quote.
Do you support what Paul Hill did and do you think it was biblical?
You have stated repeatedly that you do and it is pro-death position.

reply from: faithman

I owe no baby killer anything. I have stated what I believe, so get over your blood thirsty self.

reply from: yoda

A "direct quote" is exactly what neither you nor anyone else has produced, which is why no one has earned the $2 yet.
And I understand them quite well, thank you.

reply from: faithman

You oppose personhood, have said that the womb child is not equal to the born child, and have the gaul to call someone pro-death? Now that is rich baby killer.

reply from: jujujellybean

fman are you going to answer or not? a simple ' that pretty much sums up what i believe' would be good...look, since I have been labeled a pro abort by them because I advocate AGAINST violence, AND since they both believe they are good Christians, I would say that they don't think God disagrees with them...as for a direct quote, I don't think anyone will waste time finding one and not only that, what's the point when they won't directly answer anyway?

reply from: faithman

Let me start my answere by stating I am not pro-life, I am pro-personhood. Pro-life is to full of traitors like Pravone and Benham, I just don't care to be numbered with them. My stance has always been that if you believe that the womb child is equal in humanity to the born child, then they should be afforded the same consideration, and protections under the law. If it is just to use force to defend the born child, then equality of personhood demands the same be true for the womb child. Now you can read between the lines all you want, and can play the same word twisting games as the bortheads as you wish. But all it proves is that you would rather protect the evil aggressor, than defend the ones they kill. You simply can not have it both ways. And I find it really funny that a baby killer like CM shows she has not truely repented at all. For she would have future killers like her walk free, and would fight equality of personhood if her sista's didnt get such special consideration. If abortion is murder, then all involved in that conspiracy to end innocent life should be punished. I don't think anyone would say abortion on demand is a just law. And yet CM is a benifactor of that unjust law, and has been given a free pass for murdering her 3 womb children. She continues her evil aggression towards the womb child, by opposing their equality so ease her murderous conscience, and assure future killers get a walk. This hypocracy is futher exposed on this forum, when she aplauds that a woman abortionist gets jail time. This proves that she is not against women going to jail, but against women who pay for the murder of their children should not go to jail. Since when in this country have we let those who pay hired killers go free? You idiot pacifist dishonestly ignore these issue, and prove that you aggree with planned parenthood, that the interest of the womb child is second in consideration to the woman who pays for their death, and would rather protect the abortionist than those who kill them. Once again, you simple can not have it both ways.

reply from: yoda

A "direct quote" would be an answer. Without one, you have no answer.
If he does not respond, then there is no basis on which to claim to know his answer. And we have no basis to demand one. You can ask as often as you like, but neither him nor anyone else is obligated to answer. It's a "choice".

reply from: Carifairy

FMAN-
How about this then..
Do you support the killing of abortion providers to stop them from performing abortion services?
Do you feel it is right for a man/woman to walk into an abortion clinic and place a gun to the head of the doctor and shoot him/her?

reply from: joe

Do you feel it is right to rip off the arms and legs of a living human being?

reply from: joe

I know the answer to this one!!!

reply from: Carifairy

Only if the living human being is within my body, because that would be the only way to remove it if I did not want to give birth.

reply from: nancyu

No, no. Not on PEOPLE. Just pro aborts. They're not people, they're clumps of tissue.
We're people. If we're not how come we have names and SS numbers and stuff?
You apparently managed to fool somebody.

reply from: faithman

If you removed it, you would be giving birth. It just would make you the mom of a dead baby, and a murderer like CM.

reply from: joe

God have mercy on her soul.

reply from: sander

That makes you equal with those who would walk into any place at anytime, to put a gun to someone's head and pull the trigger, for any reason. In other words, you are a murderer.

reply from: sander

Um, no.
Walking up to someone and putting a gun to their head implies that they are not existing within your body.
That they are outside your body.
Right, I should have said that makes her equal with someone who shoots a human being after cornerning them, leaving no room for escape, then placing something over them so they can't be seen....then pull the trigger...bang, you're dead.
That still makes her a murderer.

reply from: nancyu

I asked CM aproximately 150 times (and I'm barely even exaggerating) "Is an unborn child a person?"
I have yet to get a direct answer from her. Why don't you try picking on her for a change.
Whose side are you on, really?

reply from: carolemarie

I have said that an unborn child is a human being over and over. How many times do I have to tell you that before you can remember?

reply from: bsbuster

I asked CM aproximately 150 times (and I'm barely even exaggerating) "Is an unborn child a person?"
I have yet to get a direct answer from her. Why don't you try picking on her for a change.
Whose side are you on, really?
She is on the side of sanity and compassion. She's not on your side, from what I can see.
And you, faithman, and yodavater have made picking on CM your full time jobs. Do you really need more help?

reply from: joe

You forgot the last three words...

reply from: nancyu

See what I mean? She still hasn't answered the QUESTION.

reply from: carolemarie

I have answered the question! Are you blind? Babies are human beings, which makes them a person!

reply from: sander

Location is your criteria for murder not being murder. Nope, try again.
Murder should be legal for approx. the first 16 years of life, if independance is any part of the criteria.
You people feel so powerless that exerting power over a defensless baby somehow gives you the idea you have power in your own lives. Pathetic.

reply from: yoda

Hey fartboy, you're causing me a lot of work putting all your new names on the iggy list..... are you ashamed of your "real" name, or just dishonest?

reply from: nancyu

helloooo jujujellybean....
Has she answered the question yet, in your opinion?
(read carefully, before you answer)

reply from: galen

and that right should extend to every body... even those as yet unable to make themselves heard... look at it this way vex...look at all the hate you endure because of your condition... now what if FM ran you down in a dark room and hacked you to little pieces, all the while being told that it was OK because he just didn't have time to be tolerant to a transgendered person.
would that make his actions ok?
no ... and neither is abortion.
For you to truely embrace the female... you need to think more along the lines of a full female... not with the wishy washiness of a half baked / brained male... i hear too much of that in your stance on abortion.

reply from: jujujellybean

I know the answer to this one!!!
Seriously, lets hear it! Lets end this once and for all: what do you think?

reply from: galen

ahhh but you misunderstand me...
i'll try to be more clear.. the tone of your arguments comes across as ...i won't have an abortion... but i'll not say another person can't have one...
now i know you can not physically have an abortion... but look along these lines... say you could.. do you honestly think you would.
take a bit before answering... and please don't answer me out of agenda i would truely like an answer wo worrying wether you are PC w/ your friends.
second i understand you are not * shudder* inside FM's body but the argument is the same one.. morally BOTH actions are wrong no matter what the finer points are.
killing is not a moral act... for any reason.

reply from: galen

more people should think this way about children... but i still do not think any of those is a reason to abort... if someone is pregnant and for whatever reason could not afford/ cope with a child they can adopt that child out..

reply from: carolemarie

Here's an easy way to solve this: Joe and/or Faithman, Is killing abortion providers a good prolife work that God would approve of? .
Wait..... you actually want to let them speak for themselves, instead of putting words in their mouths? What a radical concept...... !!
Let me start my answere by stating I am not pro-life, I am pro-personhood. Pro-life is to full of traitors like Pravone and Benham, I just don't care to be numbered with them. My stance has always been that if you believe that the womb child is equal in humanity to the born child, then they should be afforded the same consideration, and protections under the law. If it is just to use force to defend the born child, then equality of personhood demands the same be true for the womb child. Now you can read between the lines all you want, and can play the same word twisting games as the bortheads as you wish. But all it proves is that you would rather protect the evil aggressor, than defend the ones they kill. You simply can not have it both ways. And I find it really funny that a baby killer like CM shows she has not truely repented at all. For she would have future killers like her walk free, and would fight equality of personhood if her sista's didnt get such special consideration. If abortion is murder, then all involved in that conspiracy to end innocent life should be punished. I don't think anyone would say abortion on demand is a just law. And yet CM is a benifactor of that unjust law, and has been given a free pass for murdering her 3 womb children. She continues her evil aggression towards the womb child, by opposing their equality so ease her murderous conscience, and assure future killers get a walk. This hypocracy is futher exposed on this forum, when she aplauds that a woman abortionist gets jail time. This proves that she is not against women going to jail, but against women who pay for the murder of their children should not go to jail. Since when in this country have we let those who pay hired killers go free? You idiot pacifist dishonestly ignore these issue, and prove that you aggree with planned parenthood, that the interest of the womb child is second in consideration to the woman who pays for their death, and would rather protect the abortionist than those who kill them. Once again, you simple can not have it both ways.
Faithman, you can call me a baby killer if that makes you happy or a prostitute or whatever. I don't care. Because no matter what I have done in the past, I no longer do those things or support those views. But you do.
I can recognize those lies that I use to believe in. You are buying into the same logic that women seeking abortions use. You have become prodeath. You want abortion over and don't mind seeing people die to achieve that. Woman don't want to have a baby and are willing to pay to have that child killed. Same thing!
Life is life. From a baby in the womb to George Tiller, it is all human life created in the image of God and you have no right to kill that life or support other people killing that life.
You need to quit going to the clinics and quit doing anything prolife until you repent. Because you are NOT on the side of life.

reply from: carolemarie

A "direct quote" would be an answer. Without one, you have no answer.
If he does not respond, then there is no basis on which to claim to know his answer. And we have no basis to demand one. You can ask as often as you like, but neither him nor anyone else is obligated to answer. It's a "choice".
If it is just to use force to defend the born child, then equality of personhood demands the same be true for the womb child. Now you can read between the lines all you want, and can play the same word twisting games as the bortheads as you wish. But all it proves is that you would rather protect the evil aggressor, than defend the ones they kill. You simply can not have it both ways
Another Fman quote in support of using lethal force!

reply from: galen

Here's an easy way to solve this: Joe and/or Faithman, Is killing abortion providers a good prolife work that God would approve of? .
Wait..... you actually want to let them speak for themselves, instead of putting words in their mouths? What a radical concept...... !!
Let me start my answere by stating I am not pro-life, I am pro-personhood. Pro-life is to full of traitors like Pravone and Benham, I just don't care to be numbered with them. My stance has always been that if you believe that the womb child is equal in humanity to the born child, then they should be afforded the same consideration, and protections under the law. If it is just to use force to defend the born child, then equality of personhood demands the same be true for the womb child. Now you can read between the lines all you want, and can play the same word twisting games as the bortheads as you wish. But all it proves is that you would rather protect the evil aggressor, than defend the ones they kill. You simply can not have it both ways. And I find it really funny that a baby killer like CM shows she has not truely repented at all. For she would have future killers like her walk free, and would fight equality of personhood if her sista's didnt get such special consideration. If abortion is murder, then all involved in that conspiracy to end innocent life should be punished. I don't think anyone would say abortion on demand is a just law. And yet CM is a benifactor of that unjust law, and has been given a free pass for murdering her 3 womb children. She continues her evil aggression towards the womb child, by opposing their equality so ease her murderous conscience, and assure future killers get a walk. This hypocracy is futher exposed on this forum, when she aplauds that a woman abortionist gets jail time. This proves that she is not against women going to jail, but against women who pay for the murder of their children should not go to jail. Since when in this country have we let those who pay hired killers go free? You idiot pacifist dishonestly ignore these issue, and prove that you aggree with planned parenthood, that the interest of the womb child is second in consideration to the woman who pays for their death, and would rather protect the abortionist than those who kill them. Once again, you simple can not have it both ways.
Faithman, you can call me a baby killer if that makes you happy or a prostitute or whatever. I don't care. Because no matter what I have done in the past, I no longer do those things or support those views. But you do.
I can recognize those lies that I use to believe in. You are buying into the same logic that women seeking abortions use. You have become prodeath. You want abortion over and don't mind seeing people die to achieve that. Woman don't want to have a baby and are willing to pay to have that child killed. Same thing!
Life is life. From a baby in the womb to George Tiller, it is all human life created in the image of God and you have no right to kill that life or support other people killing that life.
You need to quit going to the clinics and quit doing anything prolife until you repent. Because you are NOT on the side of life.
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i agree.. but self hatred can do that to a person (faithman)

reply from: galen

a dead fetus is no good to anyone... and your career.. well there are more than 1 way to continue to eat, pay rent, etc without having an abortion. Here in the US people can go to jail if you are fired for being pregnant.. if you are a contrctor who can not get work just because of a pregnancy their are legal ramifications for those who would deny you employment also... it almost never happens anymore. And i am reminded of myself... who scrubbed toilets at 3 in the morning just to feed myself ,( and my growing child) and pay tuition and pay rent. its hard.. but the ramifications of abortion are harder... you can get back a job/ livelyhood... you can not get back the child you killed. It is a unique individual and the conditions that created it ( whatever they may be) will never reoccure exactly again... so you can not ever get back what is now dead.

reply from: Faramir

I think the above is one of the worst statement I've ever seen on this site.
CM already feels bad about her abortions without having anybody rub it in her face, that is obvious.
Many of you accuse us 'pro-aborts' of being cruel and heartless, but that is better applied to statements like 'hatemans'.
Where have you been?
He does this five times a day.
And he has prolife buddies here who think he's wonderful.
I can't figure out why some give this abusive man a pass.

reply from: faithman

I think the above is one of the worst statement I've ever seen on this site.
CM already feels bad about her abortions without having anybody rub it in her face, that is obvious.
Many of you accuse us 'pro-aborts' of being cruel and heartless, but that is better applied to statements like 'hatemans'.
Where have you been?
He does this five times a day.
And he has prolife buddies here who think he's wonderful.
I can't figure out why some give this abusive man a pass.
Better than giving a baby murderer like killer carole a pass.

reply from: galen

buzz buzz buzz.. whine whine whine....
annoying sounds from this one...

reply from: galen

i have no controll of nature... neither does anyone else in that situation. what we do have controll over is wether or not we take anothers life.
i can controll MY life wether i live or die, i have no right to make the descision to force another person's death so that i may live as i wish.

reply from: Faramir

If it's that easy to cause a miscarriage, then why bother with RU486?

reply from: yoda

Ah yes, the old "My baby is too good for abortion, but yours isn't" argument.
Typical of a proabort, really.

reply from: yoda

But not the phrase I was looking for. I'm still looking for "killing abortion providers is good prolife work that God would approve of".

reply from: yoda

When a proabort comes to your "defense", that's not a good thing for a prolifer.

reply from: carolemarie

Being pro-choice does't make you automatically wrong about everything.

reply from: faithman

Yes it does. So does being a baby killing phony who would deny personhood based on personal interest. either one makes what you have to say totally untrust worthy, and deadly to the womb child.

reply from: yoda

It makes them wrong about EVERYTHING that is related to abortion.

reply from: galen

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first of all that does not happen... and no its not ok if it is your intention to produce a miscarrige... that would be abortion. If you do something simply out of ignorance you are just that ignorant... learn more and do not do the same thing twice.

reply from: cracrat

It makes them wrong about EVERYTHING that is related to abortion.
Moron. By default I'm pro-choice yet I think abortion is wrong. It's an abortion related statement, am I wrong?

reply from: jujujellybean

I know the answer to this one!!!
Seriously, lets hear it! Lets end this once and for all: what do you think?

reply from: AshMarie88

No, no. Not on PEOPLE. Just pro aborts. They're not people, they're clumps of tissue.
We're people. If we're not how come we have names and SS numbers and stuff?
I guess I was a blob of tissue until I was 2 years old, because that's when I got my SSN!

reply from: yoda

That's right...... but don't let the proaborts know that, or they might start a campaign to allow the killing of all kids under two.... or who don't have a SS number yet!

reply from: sander

That would have made me and multiple millions of people blobs of tissue since it wasn't necessary to get a SS card for newborns til fairly recent in our history of such #'s.
But, any old excuse will do for proaborts to explain away a womb child not being a person. Even if that excuse makes them look dumb as rocks.

reply from: yoda

Well, looking "dumb as rocks" never bothered them before.......

reply from: sander

That is the truth! They know no shame to supporting and participating in barbarism, so why would they be ashamed of being dumb as rocks.

reply from: sander

Well, that's a new one, "abortion isn't about killing. That's an UNFORTUNATE SIDE EFFECT"! And then out of the other side of your mouth, "If artificial wombs were available, then I don't think anyone should be allowed to kill a fetus 'just because'"
Do people like you stay up nights thinking this crap up?

reply from: cracrat

An artificial womb would be a curious thing. The ethical implications of it would make a fascinating discussion. But consider this: at some point in that research program, a fetus must be placed in the machine for the first time. Despite all the preliminary tests on rabbits and monkeys and what have you, there would be no way of knowing if it would succeed. There would be a very real chance of it all going wrong and the baby dying. And the next, and the next, and the next until enough has been learned to get it right.
My question is, would it be acceptable to risk those deaths to develop technology that could totally eliminate the need for abortion and save all those millions of lives?

reply from: sander

Having reading comprehension problems?
"abortion isn't about killing"....."I don't think anyone should be allowed to kill a fetus 'just because'".
So in between killing and not killing is an artifical womb...did you stay up late or did one of your proabort buddies think up that one?

reply from: cracrat

Think laterally, my friend.
A mother is killed in a car accident and she is 16 weeks pregnant.
Your choices are:
a) put it in the prototype, untested artificial womb and hope it lives or
b) let it die.
I'm not sure that there's a place that researchers can mail order such tragedies on demand from.

reply from: sander

What's the matter people like you? How on earth do you live with such cold, dead, ruthless, selfish to the hilt hearts?

reply from: sander

Well done, you got it!
If artificial wombs were available, abortions would not result in death (although occasionally the fetus might develop other complications that might result in it dying).
You win a cookie!
Keep your cookie (gag).
Your assertion is asanine and in no way justifies the killing of babies in the meantime.

reply from: yoda

What's the matter people like you? How on earth do you live with such cold, dead, ruthless, selfish to the hilt hearts?
And they say reptiles are "cold blooded".......

reply from: sander

What's the matter people like you? How on earth do you live with such cold, dead, ruthless, selfish to the hilt hearts?
And they say reptiles are "cold blooded".......
I'd rather hug a snake, (*shudder*) they'd be warmer and actually alive.
I think these proaborts are dead on the inside, thier bodily functions just haven't caught up yet.

reply from: sander

Then they "actually" shouldn't get pregnant. Because once you are, you've got "progeny", they're just dead "progeny".

reply from: yoda

So that makes it okie dokie in your book to kill the ones they already have?
Gag me with a spoon.......

reply from: yoda

Yes, you do....... you have DEAD PROGENY.............
Talk about a sack of doorknobs.....

reply from: yoda

MOST dead people still exist......
They're called "CORPSES"........

reply from: sander

MOST dead people still exist......
They're called "CORPSES"........
Holy cow, lowlita move over!
Just because someone is killed doesn't mean they were never "progeny".
Is there something in the water they're drinking????

reply from: sander

Nobody's pov gets to surpercede biological, scientific facts.
Here's the something, that you assume is barely anything to see:
http://www.lifeissues.org/ultrasound/11weeks.htm

Don't worry, this baby is alive, it's a 3D ultra sound.

reply from: yoda

If you kill a teenager, s/he never reaches their potential either.
You just like killing as a "solution" for your problems, don't you?

reply from: sander

Nobody's pov gets to surpercede biological, scientific facts.
Here's the something, that you assume is barely anything to see:
http://www.lifeissues.org/ultrasound/11weeks.htm
<br ">http://www.lifeissues....ltras....htm
Don't worry, this baby is alive, it's a 3D ultra sound.
I've seen this pic. Its still pretty small - and thats at 12 weeks, the end point for abortion to me. Therefore it doesn't change my pov
Why does week 13 change things? They're still pretty small.

reply from: yoda

A ten year old is more developed than a two year old, so you think it's better to kill the two year old, right?
Come on, you really get off into this discussion, don't you?

reply from: sheri

X, do you think it is wrong to kill a baby in the 2nd & 3rd trimester?

reply from: yoda

Uh, we're talking about KILLING..... and neither you nor anyone else can limit the discussion to what YOU want to talk about.....
Killing any innocent human being is morally wrong...... but then you don't care about that, do you?

reply from: sheri

X, you edited your responce to say its better to abort in the first trimester because that is the time it is more likely to happen naturaly. Why should that matter?

reply from: yoda

What did the "rape baby" do to deserve to be one of your "exceptions"?

reply from: yoda

All killing is "unnatural"...... so you don't see anything wrong with any killing, do you?

reply from: sheri

a deformity, or maybe downs syndrome?

reply from: sander

Not a very bright dodge.
Can you answer any of the valid questions asked here?
Full growth doesn't happen up until sometimes as long as 21 years of age, should that matter?
And potential sometimes isn't reached well into life. Should that be any part of the criteria?

reply from: yoda

And that is soooo important to prevent that it justifies the killing of a totally innocent human being, right? And making a killer out of a raped woman helps her emotional health, right?
Oh wait, I forgot..... you really don't care about that, do you?

reply from: sander

So, you have no problem with someone putting a bullet in anyone, after all, eventually death would happen, "naturally".

reply from: galen

i can tell you from my experience and that of others that submitting to an abortionist is NOT what is in the best intrest of a rape victim in about 85% of the cases... which is actually quite small.. rape almost never results in pregnancy.
those who do abort have a MUCH harder time coming to grips with their experience and becoming healthy later in life.

reply from: faithman

Then get sterilised.
It's that simple.
Gosh!!! for the first time you actually said something that made sence!!!

reply from: galen

you will be surprised what you can live with.. i too onced believed i could not ever survive... and i did so did my son.
Remember its not just HIS baby its also YOURS .

reply from: galen

God/ Godess forbid it happen to you... i would adopt your child... and there are lots of other parents out there who would too...

reply from: galen

i personally think adoption is correct in that circumstance..

reply from: yoda

So life for you would depend upon death for your child.
What a mindset....... "I can't live unless my child dies"..... incredible....

reply from: sander

So life for you would depend upon death for your child.
What a mindset....... "I can't live unless my child dies"..... incredible....
35 years later, this is what society has produced. A generation of selfish, borish people.
People who don't blink an eye at killing a child in the womb and cry foul at all other forms of violence. NOTHING is more violent than what happens to that child in the womb, what with tearing them literally, limb from limb, crushing their skulls, snapping their spines, injecting them with saline, puncturing the back of their necks and sucking out their brains and when that fails, just let them die a slow death on a table in a back room.
There has to be a new word somewhere for hypocirte, because it just doesn't seem to cover the kind of thinking we see in people like Xen.

reply from: nancyu

Nobody's pov gets to surpercede biological, scientific facts.
Here's the something, that you assume is barely anything to see:
http://www.lifeissues.org/ultrasound/11weeks.htm
<br ">http://www.lifeissues....ltras....htm
Don't worry, this baby is alive, it's a 3D ultra sound.
I've seen this pic. Its still pretty small - and thats at 12 weeks, the end point for abortion to me. Therefore it doesn't change my pov
I went to a concert once last year.. It was a huge stadium, and from where I sat the artists appeared to be about a centimeter tall. Would it have been okay for someone to kill them, I mean if they were looking at them from my pov?

reply from: nancyu

So life for you would depend upon death for your child.
What a mindset....... "I can't live unless my child dies"..... incredible....
35 years later, this is what society has produced. A generation of selfish, borish people.
People who don't blink an eye at killing a child in the womb and cry foul at all other forms of violence. NOTHING is more violent than what happens to that child in the womb, what with tearing them literally, limb from limb, crushing their skulls, snapping their spines, injecting them with saline, puncturing the back of their necks and sucking out their brains and when that fails, just let them die a slow death on a table in a back room.
There has to be a new word somewhere for hypocirte, because it just doesn't seem to cover the kind of thinking we see in people like Xen.

reply from: jujujellybean

Ah yes, the old "My baby is too good for abortion, but yours isn't" argument.
Typical of a proabort, really.
I absolutely hate that argument...it's like NONE of our laws have ever been based on someone's set of morals? Sheesh...if there wasn't some basic standard of morals we wouldn't have laws.

reply from: jujujellybean

What if the mother doesn't want to do that? What if she doesn't want the hassle? Would you then say she could still just kill it?

reply from: nancyu

In my opinion, a mother should give birth to and raise her own child, not give the child up for adoption. Adoption is a better option that abortion, and I am pro choice for adoption, but I couldn't imagine giving my child to someone else to raise, unless I was absolutely unable to do so myself.

reply from: faithman

Evidence of http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby15.html

reply from: yoda

Actually, it is.
Even I, as a mere man, understand that the unborn child does not rape it's mother. So what do I miss by being merely a man? Do I miss the fact that you want to kill a child for the acts committed by it's father? Do I miss the fact that you hate that yet unseen child so much that you say you cannot live unless it is killed? What exactly do I miss?

reply from: faithman

Actually, it is.
Even I, as a mere man, understand that the unborn child does not rape it's mother. So what do I miss by being merely a man? Do I miss the fact that you want to kill a child for the acts committed by it's father? Do I miss the fact that you hate that yet unseen child so much that you say you cannot live unless it is killed? What exactly do I miss?
You missed calling http://www.armyofgod.com/Baby15.html a hate crime.


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