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This is what abortion leads to eventually...

by: neat62

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,367243,00.html

Because individuals have NO VALUE for life...this is the hideous and attrocious actions that stem from the acceptance of abortion, the total and complete disreguard for a child's life.
And note...the ONLY way to STOP this man was to KILL HIM!

reply from: sander

From the article:
See above post by Neat62 for reasons, "why".
Kind of like they do with aborted babies, having to piece back togeather bits and pieces of the baby.
Good riddance. Someone should award the police officer for doing society a great service. Just too, too, bad this man wasn't gunned down before he finished killing that poor child.

reply from: AshMarie88

We all hear about screwed up things every day, and stuff like this unfortunately ALWAYS happens, we just don't hear about it. :-( This poor little baby, what did he do to have this happen to him? How could anyone do stuff like this? 1-2 year old being beaten and stomped to death, thrown to the ground, WHY? I am GLAD and HAPPY this man was shot to death! He deserved every bit of what he got! It's just unfortunate the child couldn't be saved. :-(

reply from: sander

I lay this kind of atrocity at the very feet of the proabortion, death merchant, mentality.
Ash, I agree, I'm GLAD AND HAPPY this man was shot to death, too bad he died a quick death. He got better than what he gave that poor little child, whose infraction was probably crying too much.

reply from: galen

vilence always begets more violence....it never ends just one big happy bloodthirsty circle.

reply from: neat62

Yes...and ABORTION is the most abhorent act of violence there is and its OPEN acceptance by society is what enables people like this sick man to believe that blowing up children, stompping them to death, drowning them in bathtubs or running over them with the vehicles is perfectly acceptable as well!

reply from: galen

i agree abortion is the worst of the violent acts... more violence does not fix the problem though.

reply from: faithman

Which is perfectly legal and just if you have been born. But if you are still in the womb, your life ain't worth spit. And even "pro-life" would rather protect the abortionist than the ones they kill. If we were a righteous nation, every abortion clinic would burn to the ground this very day. All of us "tolerate" abortion. Other wisw we would do what it takes to stop it.

reply from: galen

see neat62... when you agree with this drival... you are in the same class of inciting violence.....

reply from: faithman

And if we agreed with your purple headed self, ever innocent person would be put at risk to evil aggression. Are you saying the police should have just sttod by and watched? Are you advocating that we disband all military and police forces? Are you saying that it is wrong to defend life from such monsters? We should just lay down and let the Hitlers have their way? The only drival here is yours.

reply from: galen

no i am saying that this man learned violence from someone... who learned it from someone else... you can not have an armed rebellion... and then turn around and say to everyone don't do that...someone somewhere got it into thier head that abortion was ok... where did they learn that and why did they tell others it was ok?
violence feeds on itself..and breeds more violence.
why could they not have taken down this guy some other way? did they have to shoot him? i ask the same question of thie man... did you have to shake and stomp that child?
both acts are wrong, one may be the lesser of the 2 but both are wrong.

reply from: galen

And if we agreed with your purple headed self, ever innocent person would be put at risk to evil aggression. Are you saying the police should have just sttod by and watched? Are you advocating that we disband all military and police forces? Are you saying that it is wrong to defend life from such monsters? We should just lay down and let the Hitlers have their way? The only drival here is yours.
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no you are speaking to someone who is a rare bird to you... a nonviolent activist.

reply from: faithman

And if we agreed with your purple headed self, ever innocent person would be put at risk to evil aggression. Are you saying the police should have just sttod by and watched? Are you advocating that we disband all military and police forces? Are you saying that it is wrong to defend life from such monsters? We should just lay down and let the Hitlers have their way? The only drival here is yours.
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no you are speaking to someone who is a rare bird to you... a nonviolent activist.
Go lay down and be a victim to evil doers if thats what you want to do, but don't you dare get in the way of the rest of us actually defending the innocent. The only cure for a mad dog is severe led poisioning.

reply from: neat62

So you would have what? Told the police NOT to shoot this man? You would have allowed him to continue to stomp and kick this little child???
Let me guess...you would have "talked" with him and "reasoned" with him to stop... **rolleyes

reply from: neat62

And the POINT IS that ABORTION is the WORST kind of violence against humanity! Those who choose to murder their own while their child is supposed to be in the safest place in this world, IT'S MOTHER'S WOMB...are the ones who perpetuate violence and evil...they are the ones that see NOTHING wrong with going on and murdering or abusing others!

reply from: churchmouse

Both acts are not wrong. The police were trying to stop someone from killing someone. They acted in self-defense for the child that was unable to defend himself.
I am not for violence, but this was warrented and the man got what he deserved.
Now God will deal with him and the world wont have to.

reply from: faithman

Both acts are not wrong. The police were trying to stop someone from killing someone. They acted in self-defense for the child that was unable to defend himself.
I am not for violence, but this was warrented and the man got what he deserved.
Now God will deal with him and the world wont have to.
The same is true for abortionist. They do every bit an evil dead as this fella multiple times. The deserve to decorate a lamp pole until they are nothing but sun bleached bones.

reply from: nancyu

There is a time and a place for violence, and this was one of those times.
and maybe this IS one of those times.

reply from: galen

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but the very fact that you condone doing violent acts says you aare in the same boat as the man who saw nothing wrong with beating the toddler to death...

reply from: galen

Both acts are not wrong. The police were trying to stop someone from killing someone. They acted in self-defense for the child that was unable to defend himself.
I am not for violence, but this was warrented and the man got what he deserved.
Now God will deal with him and the world wont have to.
The same is true for abortionist. They do every bit an evil dead as this fella multiple times. The deserve to decorate a lamp pole until they are nothing but sun bleached bones.
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i agree with the statementr about evil... not what should happen to those who perpetuate it......
you know i listen to this stuff spouted by you and i wonder... what do you think people will do to you if they catch you shooting or burning something that you believe to be an abortionist... what if you got it wrong? You can not take back death... its a mistake that no one can fix... not a mom and not you.

reply from: yoda

Interesting viewpoint. You seem to treat violence as if it was a spiritual entity itself. It isn't. And it isn't a "problem". It's a part of nature, just as we are. There is no special evil involved in violence, it's just another way people try to get what they want. It will never be eliminated, as long as people are willing to do whatever necessary to get what they want.
From the story, it appears that they felt that by the time they arrived, the child was near death and might expire at any second from the beating. It appears that they were demanding an immediate halt to the beating for the purpose of saving the life of the child. And it appears that rather than try to wrestle with the man, as others had done to no avail, they used the quickest means available to stop the beating with certainty.
I cannot find any fault in their actions. I would probably have done the same in the same circumstances. Beating a child to death is not acceptable in my world. Using deadly force to stop a child beating is.

reply from: yoda

Violence is not a "boat" to share with others. It is a human expression of extreme agitation. Everyone has their breaking point, beyond which they will do whatever necessary to reach their goal(s).

reply from: nancyu

I believe in nonviolent activism, too; but in the case of abortion, it has been far too long, far too many dead, and far too much acceptance of it.

reply from: galen

so after watching this again on CNN... i have to ask you Yoda... where is all the compassion for someone they are saying was mentally deranged?
( playing devil's advocate)
yes i think violence seems to take on a entity like quality in and of itself.. so do love and compassion... all three tend to be contaiguos.
As for imminent danger... why not taser the guy?... it does go against my pricipals but it is not deadly force.
then they could have at least found out who what when and why.

reply from: galen

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i wonder... if blacks had treated whites the same to end slavery... where would we be now... or the Jews and the holocaust to use a better analogy.?

reply from: MotherForLife

How is this story linked to abortion?
You know what a pro-choicer would say? The child would have suffered less to have been aborted instead of being born into a family where he was not wanted.

reply from: sander

It is clearly not wrong to defend the innocent against an evil aggressor such as this man was.
It's when we blur the lines and lump all actions of force in the same category we get blured lines for society to abide by.
There MUST be clear lines of distinction and moral clarity, period.

reply from: nancyu

Both the Holocaust and slavery were ended with violence. It is too bad it had to end that way. But sometimes people just won't be reasonable.

reply from: yoda

I think they were holding their compassion for him in check, in deference for the child he was in the act of killing. And I approve of that approach.
Then you attribute spiritual qualities to human emotions. That takes on the flavor of a religion based on emotions as deities. I see human emotions as no more than expressions of human desires and fears. I see them simply as the way we interact with others.
Tasers have also been deadly, several people have died from them. And I really don't know the situation well enough to know if the officers had tasers, or if the situation made their use appropriate. That was obviously a judgment call by the officers, and without more information I am very reluctant to criticize their judgment.

reply from: galen

my point is thaqt they also began with violence... what you say the violence of abortion teaches... was also learned by the first person to think it was ok to kill someone else...remember cain and able...now did God kill Cain?

reply from: yoda

Who knows? We lost half a million lives in the civil war as it was, how many more could a slave rebellion have cost? And what did the Jews have to lose by rebelling against the Nazis? Were they not doomed to die anyway?
What sort of speculation comes to your mind in this regard?

reply from: yoda

I'm not sure if that question was for me, but I'll try to answer anyway.
The violence of (elective) abortion is done to achieve a selfish goal, and that is why it teaches violence for selfish reasons. The motives for the violence are much more important than the violence itself.

reply from: sander

Violence is a vicious cycle, no doubt.
But, let's be clear about the OP, this was an atoricty committed against an innocent, defensless, child. And the man was given a chance to cease, when he didn't a bullet did the job and at the same time, society was spared the expense of endless appeals and incarceration. Chalk one up for the good guys, for once.
Jesus had some things to say about how we treat children, and this isn't a compassionate response:
Luke 17:2
It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

reply from: nancyu

We are supposed to protect the weak from the strong. Not the other way around.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

Oh yes, abortion is totally responsible for this crime! It's not like this sort of violent crime has been going on since the dawn of time, both while abortion was legal and while is wasn't. The perpetrator of this awful crime clearly thought "Hey, abortion's legal so that means I should stomp a two-year-old to death!". I mean, that's a perfectly reasonable thought process.

reply from: joe

This statement is full of crap. If you protect the killer, you allow the sacrifice of innocent human life...period. Oh yeah, we should care politically, we should wait until 50 million more die before we can finally speak the truth. Is that right concernedparent?
To stop the abortionist by any means necessary is morally justified. Political motivations mean nothing to those about to die...today.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

Glad you agree.
It's called sarcasm.

reply from: joe

It means exactly that. You are implying that the unborn are not worthy of defense...no way around it. Whether you "feel" it is not best for the cause politically that is a different issue but it is not immoral. To condemn it on moral grounds is a flat out lie.

reply from: joe

False, if there was a fraction of the pro-life movement that did what Paul Hill did, it would cripple the abortion industry...today. Cause chaos on the streets and make this a nationally issue where it belongs.
Then it would be up to the religious leaders to speak the truth once and for all that the unborn are in need of protection and to vote against those that are pro-choice. This needs to be the most prominent issue, not the last issue during our votes.

reply from: faithman

Glad you agree.
It's called sarcasm.
Glad you agree.

reply from: joe

If it takes a civil war..so be it. You give too much credit to those on your side...they are cowards that only kill the defenseless.

reply from: joe

LOL. Stop hitting the space bar so hard! Think peaceful thoughts! LOL.

reply from: joe

Like most pro-choice cowards will.

reply from: joe

Hey idiot, we should consider collateral damage. After all, it is not defending the innocent when the innocent get killed. You argument is a desperate attempt to discredit a moral absolute.
It failed.

reply from: neat62

[quote]but the very fact that you condone doing violent acts says you aare in the same boat as the man who saw nothing wrong with beating the toddler to death... [/quote]
No it doesn't at all...and its absurd to insinuate such.
What it means is that I believe we have EVERY RIGHT and OBLIGATION to defend ourselves when faced with THREAT! According to your thinking then you should be condemned for BITING those who raped you...as that was a VIOLENT response!
Oh and good Catholic...what did St. Joan of Arc do if not DEFEND at the request of our Lord??

reply from: joe

Really????????????????? I did not know that...why thank you Vexing for sharing.
Btw, all pro-choice advocates are the same. No matter where you live.

reply from: faithman

Really????????????????? I did not know that...why thank you Vexing for sharing.
Btw, all pro-choice advocates are the same. No matter where you live.
How many years did you serve in the army, by the way?
...and military sevice has what to do with it?

reply from: neat62

"Rescue those who are led away to death. And do not cease from delivering those who are dragged away to a violent death." ~ Proverbs 24:11

reply from: joe

There will be many saved. Once the pro-life advocates start talking like they believe the unborn are actually human, we might finally make progress.
The message must be crystal clear to the world.

reply from: faithman

...and military sevice has what to do with it?
What's it got to do with you?
Was I asking you?
No.
...and military sevice has what to do with it?

reply from: neat62

...and military sevice has what to do with it?
What's it got to do with you?
Was I asking you?
No.
...and military sevice has what to do with it?
The same thing as her question..."what do you know about goth?"
Total red-herring, pathetic attempt to turn the discussion when one fails to actually make a point!!

reply from: faithman

...and military sevice has what to do with it?
What's it got to do with you?
Was I asking you?
No.
...and military sevice has what to do with it?
The same thing as her question..."what do you know about goth?"
Total red-herring, pathetic attempt to turn the discussion when one fails to actually make a point!!
...and military sevice has what to do with it?

reply from: neat62

...and military sevice has what to do with it?
What's it got to do with you?
Was I asking you?
No.
...and military sevice has what to do with it?
The same thing as her question..."what do you know about goth?"
Total red-herring, pathetic attempt to turn the discussion when one fails to actually make a point!!
...and military sevice has what to do with it?
Exactly....I am awaiting her response as well...

reply from: cracrat

Joan of Arc was merely a demonstration that our Lord has a sense of humour. Even the cheese eating surrender monkeys have to win the occassional war. How many troops does it take to defend Paris? ***** knows, it's never been tried.

reply from: carolemarie

So your prochoice, like others on this board. You just want to kill abortion providers.
Grow up. The ends do not justify the means. Your own church rejects this notion in liberation theology.
Those who live by the sword die by the sword.
Christians are called to overcome evil with good, not more evil.

reply from: sander

Then do you believe the officer was not justified in putting a bullet in that man who was stomping on that child?

reply from: sander

Shooting to disable would have been preferable.
If the officer wasn't well trained enough to do so, he shouldn't be carrying a gun.
Was I talking to you? No....so buzz off.

reply from: galen

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Genesis 4
8 Now Cain said to his brother Abel, "Let's go out to the field." [d] And while they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.
9 Then the LORD said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?"
"I don't know," he replied. "Am I my brother's keeper?"
10 The LORD said, "What have you done? Listen! Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground. 11 Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand. 12 When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth."
13 Cain said to the LORD, "My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."
15 But the LORD said to him, "Not so [e] ; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him.

reply from: faithman

Gen 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

reply from: galen

gen 9 ... try the whole thing
1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. 2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
4 "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. 5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of his fellow man.
6 "Whoever sheds the blood of man,
by man shall his blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made man.
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these were instruction to Noah... not instructions to us to commit wholesale slaughter on someone else.....
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Matthew 19:19
Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,' and 'love your neighbor as yourself.' "
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these were the NT instructions of Christ to all on earth who heard them... jew or gentile etc. seems that he says ... do not kill another human being...
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reply from: galen

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St Jeanne D'Arc... was not fighting abortion and i do belive that she would be horrified at the thought of it happening today... however you do understand they executed her right? now how does her violence relate to the abortion industry... try looking at the 100 years war... did she make a diffrence... or did she mire the french in an antiquated system of bloodshed because of who she was.
also note that jeanne was made a saint not because of her warfare but because of her piety.
Now as the 2 of you see fit to make fun of my son's illness in another thread... may i reminde you that this woman also saw visions of holy things... much the way my son does...
you do not get to have it both ways.
i think at this point the 2 of you have prooven you are no more great thinkers and doers, moreso you have prooven what a couple of fraud's you really are...
and BTW i did check in to see and still no one has bothered to comment on your sacred.. not.... blog.
get a life... and BTW get a job.

reply from: joe

Supporting our troops does not make us hypocrites because we are not on the battlefield.
What is wrong with your mental reasoning?

reply from: neat62

[quote]
St Jeanne D'Arc... was not fighting abortion and i do belive that she would be horrified at the thought of it happening today... however you do understand they executed her right? now how does her violence relate to the abortion industry... try looking at the 100 years war... did she make a diffrence... or did she mire the french in an antiquated system of bloodshed because of who she was.
also note that jeanne was made a saint not because of her warfare but because of her piety.
Now as the 2 of you see fit to make fun of my son's illness in another thread... may i reminde you that this woman also saw visions of holy things... much the way my son does...
you do not get to have it both ways.
i think at this point the 2 of you have prooven you are no more great thinkers and doers, moreso you have prooven what a couple of fraud's you really are...
and BTW i did check in to see and still no one has bothered to comment on your sacred.. not.... blog.
get a life... and BTW get a job. [/quote]
First off, the point with St. Joan of Arc...is that she was being told TO DEFEND and FIGHT back...she led an army to fight back against the tyranny she and her people were under...so your whole thought process on "violence" not ever being effective or necessary is WRONG!
Secondly, I haven't said one thing about your son...but I love the way you continue to apply selective reading...and of course, you continue to show your "pacifist" ways in the personal attacks you continue to commit on ANYONE who disagrees with you!
Finally...I am an executive of a company...I am more than successful and HAPPY to boot...so nice try, but your condescending and arrogant attitude just makes you look like the liberal fool you are...so please continue it, cause I can take as much as you can dish out (which isn't much!)...I am fully secure in my faith, my life and my ideologies...so as President Bush said..."BRING 'EM ON!"

reply from: neat62

I'm still waiting for yours.
You answer the Goth issue in a satisfactory manner, then I'll answer yours.
I don't give a rip if you answer at all...you don't have to...because I know your kind already...your ridiculous change of topic tactic is one utilized all the time by the cowards on the left who, when faced with truth and fact, can't answer intelligently...so they RUN, but not before calling those they disagree with some stupid name...and then attempt to change the topic at hand, you're nothing new sweets...so get over yourself!

reply from: joe

Moron, we are talking about the abortion doctor, not the city. You cannot defend your "relative truth" so you have to twist the argument to match your twisted logic.
I already told you this before, the tactics employed must consider innocent life...after all, killing innocent life is not saving it. Got it?

reply from: neat62

False, if there was a fraction of the pro-life movement that did what Paul Hill did, it would cripple the abortion industry...today. Cause chaos on the streets and make this a nationally issue where it belongs.
Then it would be up to the religious leaders to speak the truth once and for all that the unborn are in need of protection and to vote against those that are pro-choice. This needs to be the most prominent issue, not the last issue during our votes.
They just took steps to prevent more people from "doing what Hill did," and those precautions hindered legitimate efforts to prevent women from aborting. If a bunch of you nutters had the guts to act on your convictions, further steps would be taken to uphold the law.
Like I said, you're just engaged in self righteous posturing, and your ranting does nothing for our cause. It is self serving...
Actually...you are wrong...its members such as yourself, who are afraid to speak the truth because you may "offend" someone...that are the self-serving ones. You participate in the pro-life movement because it makes you "feel" better...you enjoy patting yourself on the back pretending you are "making a difference" when in fact you have totally failed over 40 million babies!

reply from: joe

My "posturing" is to clear the haze that your Secular Humanism is creating.
To make it clear to the "confused" little girls, that this is murder.

reply from: neat62

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Genesis 4
8 Now Cain said to his brother Abel, "Let's go out to the field." [d] And while they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.
9 Then the LORD said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?"
"I don't know," he replied. "Am I my brother's keeper?"
10 The LORD said, "What have you done? Listen! Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground. 11 Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand. 12 When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth."
13 Cain said to the LORD, "My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."
15 But the LORD said to him, "Not so [e] ; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him.
Yea...what's your point? Or are you that dense that you don't get DEFENDING oneself??

reply from: neat62

My "posturing" is to clear the haze that your Secular Humanism is creating.
To make it clear to the "confused" little girls, that this is murder.
AMEN!!!
Course, those on this board would much rather offend God by their inaction then offend the individual about to commit the heinous act of abortion...sigh....
I wonder how they will "defend" themselves when they must face God and tell Him that??

reply from: galen

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here is a quote from your other alter on the thread
on the subject of violence....

leftistdestroyer
Junior Member
Posts: 39
Joined: 06/15/2008
Originally posted by: galen
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For example... my son has schizophrenia... [q/]
The apple don't fall far from the tree does it?
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http://bloodtoiltearsandsweat.blogspot.com/
he has also made several comments about being out of work..
sooooooo if he and you are not in congress... sexual or otherwise.... than why is his name all over the blog?
i personally think you are secret OBAMA supporters here to try and make the rest of the conservatives look bad... but hey that's my opinion...
but heck what else can you think about a blog that has NO COMMENTS... you 2 are not worthy enough to post on...
and i believe you are an exec about as much as i believe that dr tiller has a heart.
besides ... you 2 didn't even know who paul hill was....so you can't be all that old...maybe 12 or 13 at most.

reply from: galen

False, if there was a fraction of the pro-life movement that did what Paul Hill did, it would cripple the abortion industry...today. Cause chaos on the streets and make this a nationally issue where it belongs.
Then it would be up to the religious leaders to speak the truth once and for all that the unborn are in need of protection and to vote against those that are pro-choice. This needs to be the most prominent issue, not the last issue during our votes.
They just took steps to prevent more people from "doing what Hill did," and those precautions hindered legitimate efforts to prevent women from aborting. If a bunch of you nutters had the guts to act on your convictions, further steps would be taken to uphold the law.
Like I said, you're just engaged in self righteous posturing, and your ranting does nothing for our cause. It is self serving...
Actually...you are wrong...its members such as yourself, who are afraid to speak the truth because you may "offend" someone...that are the self-serving ones. You participate in the pro-life movement because it makes you "feel" better...you enjoy patting yourself on the back pretending you are "making a difference" when in fact you have totally failed over 40 million babies!
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THIS statement reveals how prochoice you are.... you have not even been here 72 hours and you are acting like a clone of someone else we know...

reply from: joe

To defend innocent human life is an absolute truth.
To kill innocent life to defend innocent life...that is a subjective argument, depending on the situation but still subject to the absolute truth. That innocent human life must be defended.
Btw, I concede nothing.

reply from: joe

Not to a Secular Humanist who is a complete moron. You know the meaning of that statement and your response proves your defeat. You will always lose logically.
To rephrase you for, since you are acting like an idiot.
"Whatever force is legitimate to defend the life of a born child is legitimate to defend the life of an unborn child."

reply from: galen

i too wondered this...

reply from: joe

I am a follower of Christ. I adhere to his teachings.

reply from: joe

Again, logically you are wrong. A abortion doctor will kill, not might.

reply from: galen

no Joe thinks apparently all life is NOT sacred...

reply from: joe

Yet you don't appear to have read any of them.
Is this the Christ of Mainstream Christianity you are talking about? What a joke.
Read the Gospels yourself and follow the Law and the Prophets, here you have no claim.

reply from: galen

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here is a quote from your other alter on the thread
on the subject of violence....

leftistdestroyer
Junior Member
Posts: 39
Joined: 06/15/2008
Originally posted by: galen
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For example... my son has schizophrenia... [q/]
The apple don't fall far from the tree does it?
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http://bloodtoiltearsandsweat.blogspot.com/
he has also made several comments about being out of work..
sooooooo if he and you are not in congress... sexual or otherwise.... than why is his name all over the blog?
i personally think you are secret OBAMA supporters here to try and make the rest of the conservatives look bad... but hey that's my opinion...
but heck what else can you think about a blog that has NO COMMENTS... you 2 are not worthy enough to post on...
and i believe you are an exec about as much as i believe that dr tiller has a heart.
besides ... you 2 didn't even know who paul hill was....so you can't be all that old...maybe 12 or 13 at most.
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leftistdestroyer
Junior Member
Posts: 39
Joined: 06/15/2008
Originally posted by: galen
1 it was never my solution... i never wanted abortion and i have never voted for it... and while i was out helping pregnant teens and raising awareness in schools... guess who was bombing and shooting and destroying.... a group of people who gave a lot of us a bad name...
Sure, because you took the worng path to ending it. You were about helping, they(me) are about ending abortion. It is like medics in a war. They help, but they do not end the war.
you try fundraising for a maternity home when someone shoots an abortionist....that's the year i started using my own money for food a diapers...the year things dried up. all because we were prolife.
And our mistake was that we stopped after that because we were worried about how we looked. That was the time to hit harder.
2.i'll tell you what does not work, when you ignore the basic needs of people they start to think you do not care.... like all those uninsured and underinsured who have to think about $$ for meds and food...THOSE are the people who will vote for OBAMA because they are the ones he speaks to right now... it does not matter if you otr i think he lies like a rug... when you are deprate and someone promises an easy cure... you tend to go for easy. That is human nature.
Oh man, you make it sound like the US is a third world nation! We are not. Our poorest here have it better than most. People have their hands out. The Democrats have seen to that. And they are creating a class of depandants, who will keep voting socialist. The Dems buy their votes. There are plenty of rich Liberals who will vote for NObama.
3. google figures and the first 10,000 you will get this year will be from the insurance industry...
I want proof of that.
go to your local county offices and start your research... or just do an informal poll of you neighborhood..and 2 others in your area... you will get more of a slice of life if you can actually get people to talk to you... so be nice.
Sure and most people think that 25% of our nation earns minimum wage. And hey, I live in the real world too. I am laid off at the moment too. AND, I am blue collar, so don't try to tell me that I am uninformed about life, the nation, or society.
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why not give him a job you big exec you...

reply from: galen

poor joe i hope he didn't pay w/ a credit card... they will probably fleece him.

reply from: joe

He is an exception. Point being, the combined lives of the abortion doctors are not worth the combined victims.
Again, your logic falls short.

reply from: joe

Hill's actions would not have constituted a legitimate defense regardless of who Briton's intended victim was, born or unborn....
False. You and your fellow Secular Humanists knew you might lose, so you denied a fair trial. Period.

reply from: galen

no life is sacred to joe... just collateral in his personal war... remind me NOT to vote for you.

reply from: joe

You are right. Those that kill innocent human beings do not deserve to live by their own actions.

reply from: joe

Again, for your feeble minds. To support our troops, does not mean we have to be on the battlefield.

reply from: galen

then you my dear sir go against everything Christ stood for....

reply from: joe

I was using it as an example. I do not believe in a pre-emptive strike against a nation without absolute certainty of a sure threat. To much innocent life is at stake.

reply from: joe

Sorry responded to fast. Self defense is not in violation of any Christian teaching.

reply from: joe

You jump from one defense to another.
There absolutely was an imminent threat that day and for you to deny that will defeat any credibility in your arguments.

reply from: joe

Hmmm, let me take a guess. Oh yeah, it means they will die. Point proven.

reply from: joe

Not true, I wish all to live. Given the choice between the guilty abortion doctor and the innocent child...give me a break.

reply from: galen

Sorry responded to fast. Self defense is not in violation of any Christian teaching.
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but unless it is the fetus/baby that is doing the killing then its not SELF defense.

reply from: neat62

So more of the same from you...you are about as much of a pacifist as Hitler was...all you know how to do is personally attack...but you are even BAD at that!
And what does MY post to you have to do with leftist's posts to you? Or is it that you are just so controlled by your husband that you don't know how to think for yourself and assume others are the same??
Your comments are obnoxious, self-righteous and laughable...not because they are funny, but because they demonstrate how unintelligent and unarticulate you are. You contradict yourself time and time again, which anyone can easily see simply by reading your own words...and the crack up of all is your claim to being a "pacifist"....I doubt you know what the word even means!
Finally, I don't "give" him a job, for one...because he's not in my industry...for two, he's not in my state and three he doesn't need me to do anything for him! He's a real man capable of taking care of himself and those he loves, as well as standing up for what he believes without cowering down to snide little people like yourself.
But please keep assuming you know it all...again, you only make yourself look like the fool you are!

reply from: galen

any one who knows my husband knows that is a falsehood....
and secondly.. this post just shows YOUR true colours.
pacifiscts do not embark on violence or condone such, ever... where have i contradicted my self? show me ...
Hitler?... where did you learn history... the back of a comic book?
And if he is such a MAN.... why then is he not out looking for a job? I happen to have one in my home that provides for me and my kids and the 35 women in our shelter and HE does not have the need to make snide little comments from behinde a woman.
and if you feel so personally attacked then why are you here?

reply from: joe

Sorry responded to fast. Self defense is not in violation of any Christian teaching.
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but unless it is the fetus/baby that is doing the killing then its not SELF defense.
Excuses, excuses. The defense of others is also not condemned by Christian teachings.

reply from: galen

really quote Christ please...

reply from: joe

LOL, idiot. (anyone can type this, in case you did not notice.)
Remember the Jews. We went in their to protect the lives of those still living, those facing a "imminent threat".

reply from: joe

Ignored, due to stupidity.

reply from: joe

There is no teaching of Christ stating we must die in the face of aggression.

reply from: galen

that's the point. He did not say it was OK to kill.. ever.

reply from: joe

You shouldn't be so hard on yourself.
Wow. Is this middle school?

reply from: galen

well some people here are still in Jr high...

reply from: joe

We did not follow the "law" when we gave the trial to the Nazis. Truth is truth and the Holocaust parallel is uncanny.

reply from: galen

besides,,, the end of the holocaust did not end the bloodshed it only moved it into the Isreal/ Palestine area.

reply from: joe

Please....you have to admit pacifism does not always work. Lives were saved...period.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

The man who was worthy of death was duly dispatched by a lawful act of the government. It was proper, just and the right thing to do for the officer to immediately kill a man using lethal force against a child. I can think of no more proper and correct act than what the police officer did. Babykillers like this man are worthy of death and the most appropriate thing to do is execute them. Do you have any concept of how far off the mark this man was? Death was the only solution for such a depraved wicked mind; may he receive what has been reserved for Cain, Balaam and Korah.

reply from: galen

cain was spared by God... or did you forget?
the point of the Cain statement is that a) we do not have the right to kill if God spared the first murderer.. and b) we as humans.. that includes cain can do more to torture ourselves in our minds than anything that another human can do to us by killing. God was truely wise because when he set the punishment cain wept in fear.

reply from: Banned Member

The police had not only the right, but the moral obligation to use deadly force to stop the man from killing the child if they could. It requires and should require no discussions.

reply from: Banned Member

Allow me to lend a Catholic perspective on the matter. Here is what Catholics have to say about...
Legitimate defense
2263 The legitimate defense of persons and societies is not an exception to the prohibition against the murder of the innocent that constitutes intentional killing. "The act of self-defense can have a double effect: the preservation of one's own life; and the killing of the aggressor. . . . The one is intended, the other is not."
2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one's own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow:
If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful. . . . Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one's own life than of another's.
2265 Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility.
2266 The efforts of the state to curb the spread of behavior harmful to people's rights and to the basic rules of civil society correspond to the requirement of safeguarding the common good. Legitimate public authority has the right and duty to inflict punishment proportionate to the gravity of the offense. Punishment has the primary aim of redressing the disorder introduced by the offense. When it is willingly accepted by the guilty party, it assumes the value of expiation. Punishment then, in addition to defending public order and protecting people's safety, has a medicinal purpose: as far as possible, it must contribute to the correction of the guilty party.
2267 Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.
If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people's safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.
Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity "are very rare, if not practically nonexistent."

reply from: galen

2267 Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.
If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people's safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.
Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity "are very rare, if not practically nonexistent."
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to me this part says they could have taken out both his knees or tasered him and still been within the bounds of morality. ( still violent yes.. but not lethal.)

reply from: galen

Please....you have to admit pacifism does not always work. Lives were saved...period.
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if everyone were a pacifist then these wars that resulted in the holocaust never would have started...
and based on the #'s of jews killed how many more people were killed as a direct result of the end of wwII... how many deaths Jewish Muslim and Christian resulted from the creation if the state of Isreal? How many more will occure in the future? can you justify all those innocents?

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

The meek shall inherit the earth. But Cain was told he was a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth. God told him he would be totally rejected and had no future. The book of Jude says people walking in the way of Cain will receive eternal death; for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever. Jude 11, 13 Cain was sentenced to eternal death by God.
God commands that murderers be executed; he does it Himself. What possible place can their be in society for an individual that stomps on a one year old's chest breaking his ribs and crushing his lungs. Away with such a monster, he shall not live.
What is wrong with you galen; are you so naive about truly evil people? If the police officer had not taken immediate action to kill the child murderer I would have fired that worthless police officer on the spot. In this case, the officer knew what he was suppose to do and he took the correct action.

reply from: joe

That is what I am implying.

reply from: carolemarie

False, if there was a fraction of the pro-life movement that did what Paul Hill did, it would cripple the abortion industry...today. Cause chaos on the streets and make this a nationally issue where it belongs.
Then it would be up to the religious leaders to speak the truth once and for all that the unborn are in need of protection and to vote against those that are pro-choice. This needs to be the most prominent issue, not the last issue during our votes.
They just took steps to prevent more people from "doing what Hill did," and those precautions hindered legitimate efforts to prevent women from aborting. If a bunch of you nutters had the guts to act on your convictions, further steps would be taken to uphold the law.
Like I said, you're just engaged in self righteous posturing, and your ranting does nothing for our cause. It is self serving...
Actually...you are wrong...its members such as yourself, who are afraid to speak the truth because you may "offend" someone...that are the self-serving ones. You participate in the pro-life movement because it makes you "feel" better...you enjoy patting yourself on the back pretending you are "making a difference" when in fact you have totally failed over 40 million babies!
Using death to solve a problem is wrong. Violence against abortion providers is wrong. If you advocate it, you are pro-choice, or pro-death if you rather. That POV is the flip side of those who support abortion.

reply from: Banned Member

First of, Galen, you were not there. Neither was I.
I however am willing to trust that if the officers used deadly force they must have reasonably concluded that the man was using deadly force against the child. Officers armed with deadly force also have a certain obligation to err on the side of assuming that violent force is being used by the attacker, especially since the victim was so young. That the child died only verifies that the officers had acted rightly. Had the child died, and the man had been only wounded, the officers would have had to answer for the childs death as well, since presumably they would have been perceived as not having used all the means at their disposable not only to save the childs life, but to prevent any further injury. The job of armed police officers of the law is to defend and protect life, not merely to prevent death by murder.

reply from: joe

I wish this were true. You should preach to the evil ones first...starting with to pro-choice advocates. I will gladly accept pacifism after you convince the evil aggressors.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

No, he should have been shot to disable him, rather than killing him, then given a fair trial (in which he would undoubtedly be charged with murder).
If he was not trained well enough to shoot to disable, he should not have been carrying a gun.
Vexing, you are not living in the real world. This isn't a John Wayne wing'em in the arm or leg with sharpshooting movie. Are you doing drugs at this very minute? You are out of it dude.
Besides, the guy deserved to die, immediately. It was the best possible outcome. There was no conceivable reason why this guy should still be living. Great job officer! You did your job!

reply from: joe

No, he should have been shot to disable him, rather than killing him, then given a fair trial (in which he would undoubtedly be charged with murder).
If he was not trained well enough to shoot to disable, he should not have been carrying a gun.
You Vexing represent pure evil.

reply from: galen

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tell that to the 300+ innocent people released from death row over the last few years....

reply from: galen

I wish this were true. You should preach to the evil ones first...starting with to pro-choice advocates. I will gladly accept pacifism after you convince the evil aggressors.
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i do every chance i get...

reply from: neat62

There you go, off on tangents that have nothing to do with the actual topic.
Exactly what you accuse others of.
Again, I call you on your hypocrisy.
Oh no...your calling me a hypocrit??? I am SOOOOO upset....I don't give a crap about what you think first off...secondly, if you were able to actually follow the thread you would see that it was GALEN who changed the topic and made it a personal attack thread...but that's okay, continue the two of you, you are only giving pro-choice advocates ammunition to attack pro-lifers with...proving you don't really want to end abortion, you just want to "feel" good about yourself, by pretending you support a "cause".

reply from: joe

LOL. What a desperate attempt to discredit your defeat! I seek truth...the truth is, "laws" are not always accurate, just like they were before the trials.

reply from: Banned Member

I am not speaking here of death penalty cases that are prosecuted on circumstantial evidence. I am speaking of officers confronted with a violent offender who is attacking an innocent. In this instant, the officers first responsibilty is to the child that is being attacked, not the safety of the attacker.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

No, he should have been shot to disable him, rather than killing him, then given a fair trial (in which he would undoubtedly be charged with murder).
If he was not trained well enough to shoot to disable, he should not have been carrying a gun.
You Vexing represent pure evil.
Vexing is on drugs man. He/she thinks it's a big John Wayne movie where they wing'em.
The man is dead as he deserves to be and should be.

reply from: joe

I will follow after you succeed...that is a promise.

reply from: neat62

I am here because I want to DEFEAT and END abortions, period.
Secondly, pacifists do NOT go on the attack AT ALL...you have been personally attacking me since the first day I posted....you are a liar at best about your "pacifist" affiliation!
Third, you have contradicted yourself when you whine about violence and then share the story of how you BIT in DEFENSE those who raped you! Are you a pacifist against violence of all kinds or not??? Or is it like your reading...applied selectively???
Fourth...he doesn't have to look for a job...as the jobs find him...obviously, by his own posts, he doesn't hide behind me or anyone else....unlike yourself who hides behind personal attacks because you can't articulate a rational thought or argument!

reply from: joe

No, he should have been shot to disable him, rather than killing him, then given a fair trial (in which he would undoubtedly be charged with murder).
If he was not trained well enough to shoot to disable, he should not have been carrying a gun.
You Vexing represent pure evil.
Vexing is on drugs man. He/she thinks it's a big John Wayne movie where they wing'em.
The man is dead as he deserves to be and should be.
I agree 100%.

reply from: galen

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and in any instance i think they can use nonlethal force... err on the side of caution... per the witnesses ( and yes i do understand we were not there) by the time the police arrived the child was already dead.

reply from: galen

I will follow after you succeed...that is a promise.
the numbers of children we deliver aech year instead of going into the abortuary furnace tells me i am... so feel free.

reply from: neat62

[quote]Using death to solve a problem is wrong. Violence against abortion providers is wrong. If you advocate it, you are pro-choice, or pro-death if you rather. That POV is the flip side of those who support abortion. [/quote]
Please show me where I have called for the death or violence against abortion providers?
We have CALLED for sharing of the TRUE horror of abortion...we have called for MORE ANGER and OUTRAGE...we have NOT ever said, go bomb a clinic...we have not advocated it...we have not suggested it...we have not supported it in ANY way.
Again, selective reading is applied....and its ridiculous that on a supposedly pro-life website we have to constantly DEFEND ourselves against those who claim to SHARE the same desire to end the attrocity of abortion...this is WHY WE LOSE!!

reply from: neat62

[quote]It doesn't matter who started it; you saw fit to continue the childish idiocy, making you equally culpable.
If you were in fact as adult as you claim to be, you would have simply ignored the 'personal attacks'. [/quote]
You go ahead do what you like...I am not going to allow someone to disparage me without turning around and defending myself...I AM NOT CLAIMING to be a PACIFIST remember?
And what do you give a*****about anyway? Your not even a part of the argument...unless you are just hear to support your buddy cause she can't do a good enough job on her own!
You have yet to add ONE actual intelligent comment to the actual discussion at hand...you seem to enjoy being the pompous "police" of the forums...while adding NOTHING of relevance to the topics at hand!

reply from: galen

I am here because I want to DEFEAT and END abortions, period.
Secondly, pacifists do NOT go on the attack AT ALL...you have been personally attacking me since the first day I posted....you are a liar at best about your "pacifist" affiliation!
Third, you have contradicted yourself when you whine about violence and then share the story of how you BIT in DEFENSE those who raped you! Are you a pacifist against violence of all kinds or not??? Or is it like your reading...applied selectively???
Fourth...he doesn't have to look for a job...as the jobs find him...obviously, by his own posts, he doesn't hide behind me or anyone else....unlike yourself who hides behind personal attacks because you can't articulate a rational thought or argument!
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yep i bit my rapist.... and it did NO good..... that was the point of my turn....sorry if i didn't give you all those gory details... want them now? would you really like to hear how i was gang raped at the point of a gun... how they broke every bone in my face and how i almost choked on my own vomit and blood... would THAT make you happy because i will oblige you.
secondly in this area that you call personal attacks... YOU 2 were the ones who brought up violence... and agreed w/ FM's drival....i gave you fair warning before i dove in..
what job?
oh you mean the protesting... that's not a job its a calling... if he's getting paid thenwell he's nothing more than a mercenary...

reply from: joe

LOL. What a desperate attempt to discredit your defeat! I seek truth...the truth is, "laws" are not always accurate, just like they were before the trials.
So what does this mean? That Hill did not get a fair trial, simply because you say so?
Because Paul Hill defended the inherent right to life of innocent human beings. End of story.
Does this help???

reply from: joe

Just 'she', you *****ing piece of *****, homophobic, closeted, bigot cunt.
Actually, I thought you were a "it".

reply from: joe

That would be a first.
Ha ha, middle school humor.

reply from: galen

pacifist
Note: click on a word meaning below to see its connections and related words.
The noun has one meaning:
Meaning #1: someone opposed to violence as a means of settling disputes
Synonyms: pacificist, disarmer
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The adjective pacifist has one meaning:
Meaning #1: opposed to war

reply from: neat62

I am here because I want to DEFEAT and END abortions, period.
Secondly, pacifists do NOT go on the attack AT ALL...you have been personally attacking me since the first day I posted....you are a liar at best about your "pacifist" affiliation!
Third, you have contradicted yourself when you whine about violence and then share the story of how you BIT in DEFENSE those who raped you! Are you a pacifist against violence of all kinds or not??? Or is it like your reading...applied selectively???
Fourth...he doesn't have to look for a job...as the jobs find him...obviously, by his own posts, he doesn't hide behind me or anyone else....unlike yourself who hides behind personal attacks because you can't articulate a rational thought or argument!
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yep i bit my rapist.... and it did NO good..... that was the point of my turn....sorry if i didn't give you all those gory details... want them now? would you really like to hear how i was gang raped at the point of a gun... how they broke every bone in my face and how i almost choked on my own vomit and blood... would THAT make you happy because i will oblige you.
secondly in this area that you call personal attacks... YOU 2 were the ones who brought up violence... and agreed w/ FM's drival....i gave you fair warning before i dove in..
what job?
oh you mean the protesting... that's not a job its a calling... if he's getting paid thenwell he's nothing more than a mercenary...
Oh cry me a river...as if you are the only one who's ever experienced such....typical again of a liberal to assume the "poor me" mantra...believing that NO ONE else may have ever gone through such horror.
I have NOT ONCE advocated violence...but again, all you are capable of doing is applying selective reading...again, TYPICAL of a lib!
As for protesting...I don't know what the hell you are talking about...cause again, you have made an ASS out of yourself ASSUMING what you do NOT know! Again. TYPICAL of a self-righteous, arrogant, condscending, "all tolerant and compassionate" LIB!

reply from: leftistdestroyer

Originally posted by: galen
Who is hiding? I am right here you Incase you didn't know it, the housing market took a dump, you arrogant *****ing *****. That is why I am out of work. What a piece of*****you are.

reply from: joe

I will follow after you succeed...that is a promise.
the numbers of children we deliver aech year instead of going into the abortuary furnace tells me i am... so feel free.
Honestly, thank you.

reply from: neat62

Oh sure....you are opposed to war, but love to incite it right?? AGAIN TYPICAL LIB!

reply from: galen

wher have i EVER incited a war.....
are you high?
O Jesus dear God and Father of the Lamb. Who sees us in fetters and in bondage so hard. As you made us Christians between Friday and Monday Protect us and banish this scum from us..

reply from: carolemarie

Then do you believe the officer was not justified in putting a bullet in that man who was stomping on that child?
In this case it was the only way to save that child, so what choice was there? He couldn't stand there and let the man continue.

reply from: galen

Who is hiding? I am right here you Incase you didn't know it, the housing market took a dump, you arrogant *****ing *****. That is why I am out of work. What a piece of*****you are.
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ever thought of picking fruits and veggies? oh wait those are jobs reseved for the mexicans you soooo want out of the country.
Any man worth his salt will find any job that will take him ( or her for that matter).. i do fondly remember my nights scrubbing toilets at Mcdonald's while i put myself through school. And if it ment that i could feed myself i would gladly do it again.
be a bit more creative fool... i have yet to use a bad word around you.

reply from: joe

Then do you believe the officer was not justified in putting a bullet in that man who was stomping on that child?
In this case it was the only way to save that child, so what choice was there? He couldn't stand there and let the man continue.
There might be hope for you carolemarie.
Now apply this to the unborn and you will see.

reply from: neat62

You've done so right here with me...through all your nasty and snide remarks....and the joke of it all is that you are supposed to be on the "same side" as me...wanting to END the attrocity of abortion, but really, from your posts here...it appears you could really give a crap about that and instead just want to continue to pat yourself on the back for all the "good" you think you are doing...in the meantime babies are being viciously murdered...and you choose to ARGUE with ME over it instead of fighting LOUDER with a individual who sees NOTHING wrong with murdering their own!
Again, THIS is EXACTLY why we are losing this fight!

reply from: leftistdestroyer

Who is hiding? I am right here you Incase you didn't know it, the housing market took a dump, you arrogant *****ing *****. That is why I am out of work. What a piece of*****you are.
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ever thought of picking fruits and veggies? oh wait those are jobs reseved for the mexicans you soooo want out of the country.
Any man worth his salt will find any job that will take him ( or her for that matter).. i do fondly remember my nights scrubbing toilets at Mcdonald's while i put myself through school. And if it ment that i could feed myself i would gladly do it again.
be a bit more creative fool... i have yet to use a bad word around you.
I have money cunt

reply from: neat62

Who is hiding? I am right here you Incase you didn't know it, the housing market took a dump, you arrogant *****ing *****. That is why I am out of work. What a piece of*****you are.
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ever thought of picking fruits and veggies? oh wait those are jobs reseved for the mexicans you soooo want out of the country.
Any man worth his salt will find any job that will take him ( or her for that matter).. i do fondly remember my nights scrubbing toilets at Mcdonald's while i put myself through school. And if it ment that i could feed myself i would gladly do it again.
be a bit more creative fool... i have yet to use a bad word around you.
And what's your lame ass excuse for not having a "real job"...cause I see you on here all damn day?

reply from: galen

I am here because I want to DEFEAT and END abortions, period.
Secondly, pacifists do NOT go on the attack AT ALL...you have been personally attacking me since the first day I posted....you are a liar at best about your "pacifist" affiliation!
Third, you have contradicted yourself when you whine about violence and then share the story of how you BIT in DEFENSE those who raped you! Are you a pacifist against violence of all kinds or not??? Or is it like your reading...applied selectively???
Fourth...he doesn't have to look for a job...as the jobs find him...obviously, by his own posts, he doesn't hide behind me or anyone else....unlike yourself who hides behind personal attacks because you can't articulate a rational thought or argument!
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yep i bit my rapist.... and it did NO good..... that was the point of my turn....sorry if i didn't give you all those gory details... want them now? would you really like to hear how i was gang raped at the point of a gun... how they broke every bone in my face and how i almost choked on my own vomit and blood... would THAT make you happy because i will oblige you.
secondly in this area that you call personal attacks... YOU 2 were the ones who brought up violence... and agreed w/ FM's drival....i gave you fair warning before i dove in..
what job?
oh you mean the protesting... that's not a job its a calling... if he's getting paid thenwell he's nothing more than a mercenary...
Oh cry me a river...as if you are the only one who's ever experienced such....typical again of a liberal to assume the "poor me" mantra...believing that NO ONE else may have ever gone through such horror.
I have NOT ONCE advocated violence...but again, all you are capable of doing is applying selective reading...again, TYPICAL of a lib!
As for protesting...I don't know what the hell you are talking about...cause again, you have made an ASS out of yourself ASSUMING what you do NOT know! Again. TYPICAL of a self-righteous, arrogant, condscending, "all tolerant and compassionate" LIB!
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having trouble following your boyfriend's posts...?

reply from: galen

Who is hiding? I am right here you Incase you didn't know it, the housing market took a dump, you arrogant *****ing *****. That is why I am out of work. What a piece of*****you are.
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ever thought of picking fruits and veggies? oh wait those are jobs reseved for the mexicans you soooo want out of the country.
Any man worth his salt will find any job that will take him ( or her for that matter).. i do fondly remember my nights scrubbing toilets at Mcdonald's while i put myself through school. And if it ment that i could feed myself i would gladly do it again.
be a bit more creative fool... i have yet to use a bad word around you.
I have money cunt-
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that the best you can do?
i think that you have about as much creativity as a rotton menstrual chunk blown out of Dr tiller's nose.

reply from: leftistdestroyer

Originally posted by: galen[
She is not me, you stupid *****.

reply from: leftistdestroyer

Who is hiding? I am right here you Incase you didn't know it, the housing market took a dump, you arrogant *****ing *****. That is why I am out of work. What a piece of*****you are.
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ever thought of picking fruits and veggies? oh wait those are jobs reseved for the mexicans you soooo want out of the country.
Any man worth his salt will find any job that will take him ( or her for that matter).. i do fondly remember my nights scrubbing toilets at Mcdonald's while i put myself through school. And if it ment that i could feed myself i would gladly do it again.
be a bit more creative fool... i have yet to use a bad word around you.
I have money cunt-
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that the best you can do?
i think that you have about as much creativity as a rotton menstrual chunk blown out of Dr tiller's nose.
I am happy with it. this is what you have reduced the debate to. Nice job cunt.

reply from: neat62

I am here because I want to DEFEAT and END abortions, period.
Secondly, pacifists do NOT go on the attack AT ALL...you have been personally attacking me since the first day I posted....you are a liar at best about your "pacifist" affiliation!
Third, you have contradicted yourself when you whine about violence and then share the story of how you BIT in DEFENSE those who raped you! Are you a pacifist against violence of all kinds or not??? Or is it like your reading...applied selectively???
Fourth...he doesn't have to look for a job...as the jobs find him...obviously, by his own posts, he doesn't hide behind me or anyone else....unlike yourself who hides behind personal attacks because you can't articulate a rational thought or argument!
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yep i bit my rapist.... and it did NO good..... that was the point of my turn....sorry if i didn't give you all those gory details... want them now? would you really like to hear how i was gang raped at the point of a gun... how they broke every bone in my face and how i almost choked on my own vomit and blood... would THAT make you happy because i will oblige you.
secondly in this area that you call personal attacks... YOU 2 were the ones who brought up violence... and agreed w/ FM's drival....i gave you fair warning before i dove in..
what job?
oh you mean the protesting... that's not a job its a calling... if he's getting paid thenwell he's nothing more than a mercenary...
Oh cry me a river...as if you are the only one who's ever experienced such....typical again of a liberal to assume the "poor me" mantra...believing that NO ONE else may have ever gone through such horror.
I have NOT ONCE advocated violence...but again, all you are capable of doing is applying selective reading...again, TYPICAL of a lib!
As for protesting...I don't know what the hell you are talking about...cause again, you have made an ASS out of yourself ASSUMING what you do NOT know! Again. TYPICAL of a self-righteous, arrogant, condscending, "all tolerant and compassionate" LIB!
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having trouble following your boyfriend's posts...?
NO, but apparently you are....as demonstrated by your lack of a coherent response and lack of any rational contribution to the topic at hand, other than to spew your hatred and vitriol.
Lovely to see you actually have it in you though...now if you would only turn that on to the pro-choice crowd you may actually may ONE day MAKE an IMPACT!

reply from: galen

Who is hiding? I am right here you Incase you didn't know it, the housing market took a dump, you arrogant *****ing *****. That is why I am out of work. What a piece of*****you are.
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ever thought of picking fruits and veggies? oh wait those are jobs reseved for the mexicans you soooo want out of the country.
Any man worth his salt will find any job that will take him ( or her for that matter).. i do fondly remember my nights scrubbing toilets at Mcdonald's while i put myself through school. And if it ment that i could feed myself i would gladly do it again.
be a bit more creative fool... i have yet to use a bad word around you.
And what's your lame ass excuse for not having a "real job"...cause I see you on here all damn day?
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i have a job that i do from home right now... in February i had a brain tumour zapped out of my head.... i am currently not allowed to drive...but being around you 2 has helped me get through the aphasia caused by the radiation... laughter is indeed the best medicine.
If you had bothered to read before diving right into the forum you would have known that.

reply from: neat62

Who is hiding? I am right here you Incase you didn't know it, the housing market took a dump, you arrogant *****ing *****. That is why I am out of work. What a piece of*****you are.
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ever thought of picking fruits and veggies? oh wait those are jobs reseved for the mexicans you soooo want out of the country.
Any man worth his salt will find any job that will take him ( or her for that matter).. i do fondly remember my nights scrubbing toilets at Mcdonald's while i put myself through school. And if it ment that i could feed myself i would gladly do it again.
be a bit more creative fool... i have yet to use a bad word around you.
I have money cunt-
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that the best you can do?
i think that you have about as much creativity as a rotton menstrual chunk blown out of Dr tiller's nose.
And that's a productive comment...real intelligent and again demonstrates your "tolerance and compassion" for all...**rolleyes

reply from: galen

She is not me, you stupid *****.
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i know exactly who each of you are......boring and unimaginative...

reply from: leftistdestroyer

She is not me, you stupid *****.
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i know exactly who each of you are......boring and unimaginative...
And you missed the point again, cunt. Dumb Libs.

reply from: neat62

Who is hiding? I am right here you Incase you didn't know it, the housing market took a dump, you arrogant *****ing *****. That is why I am out of work. What a piece of*****you are.
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ever thought of picking fruits and veggies? oh wait those are jobs reseved for the mexicans you soooo want out of the country.
Any man worth his salt will find any job that will take him ( or her for that matter).. i do fondly remember my nights scrubbing toilets at Mcdonald's while i put myself through school. And if it ment that i could feed myself i would gladly do it again.
be a bit more creative fool... i have yet to use a bad word around you.
And what's your lame ass excuse for not having a "real job"...cause I see you on here all damn day?
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i have a job that i do from home right now... in February i had a brain tumour zapped out of my head.... i am currently not allowed to drive...but being around you 2 has helped me get through the aphasia caused by the radiation... laughter is indeed the best medicine.
If you had bothered to read before diving right into the forum you would have known that.
Again...cry me a river...once again you assume you are the ONLY person that has ever experienced a "difficult" time...I don't really give a crap about whether you work or NOT...the point is you are FIGHTING with the WRONG crowd here....
Instead of FIGHTING against pro-choicers you are fighting with those of us on the same side...I am sure plenty of pro-choicers love to come here and LAUGH at YOU too...giving them reason to believe they can once and for all defeat pro-lifers because we are totally divided!

reply from: galen

anyway... i was doing debating w/ joe and CP untill the 2 of you stepped back up to the plate...
and BTW*****is a bit crass can't you do any better...
and yes i give this out to vexing lolita and others who have earned my ire.
again you have not been here long enough to know have you... and yet you keep coming back.
* yawn*

reply from: neat62

She is not me, you stupid *****.
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i know exactly who each of you are......boring and unimaginative...
As opposed to you? Unintelligent, arrogant, self-righteous and rude....**rolleyes

reply from: galen

Who is hiding? I am right here you Incase you didn't know it, the housing market took a dump, you arrogant *****ing *****. That is why I am out of work. What a piece of*****you are.
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ever thought of picking fruits and veggies? oh wait those are jobs reseved for the mexicans you soooo want out of the country.
Any man worth his salt will find any job that will take him ( or her for that matter).. i do fondly remember my nights scrubbing toilets at Mcdonald's while i put myself through school. And if it ment that i could feed myself i would gladly do it again.
be a bit more creative fool... i have yet to use a bad word around you.
And what's your lame ass excuse for not having a "real job"...cause I see you on here all damn day?
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i have a job that i do from home right now... in February i had a brain tumour zapped out of my head.... i am currently not allowed to drive...but being around you 2 has helped me get through the aphasia caused by the radiation... laughter is indeed the best medicine.
If you had bothered to read before diving right into the forum you would have known that.
Again...cry me a river...once again you assume you are the ONLY person that has ever experienced a "difficult" time...I don't really give a crap about whether you work or NOT...the point is you are FIGHTING with the WRONG crowd here....
Instead of FIGHTING against pro-choicers you are fighting with those of us on the same side...I am sure plenty of pro-choicers love to come here and LAUGH at YOU too...giving them reason to believe they can once and for all defeat pro-lifers because we are totally divided!
just because yu say your prochoice does not mean anyone belives you... i surely don't especially because of the way yuo came in... so proove me wrong.

reply from: leftistdestroyer

Originally posted by: galen
We came in debating the possibillity of new tactics, you went rude and arrogant on us. YOU made the dived, you stupid goddamn cunt. Your condascending tone has lead us to the point of childish nonsense. Good job *****.

reply from: galen

keep it up... i divided no one... you assumed and you know what that says.

reply from: neat62

Who is hiding? I am right here you Incase you didn't know it, the housing market took a dump, you arrogant *****ing *****. That is why I am out of work. What a piece of*****you are.
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ever thought of picking fruits and veggies? oh wait those are jobs reseved for the mexicans you soooo want out of the country.
Any man worth his salt will find any job that will take him ( or her for that matter).. i do fondly remember my nights scrubbing toilets at Mcdonald's while i put myself through school. And if it ment that i could feed myself i would gladly do it again.
be a bit more creative fool... i have yet to use a bad word around you.
And what's your lame ass excuse for not having a "real job"...cause I see you on here all damn day?
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I have a job that i do from home right now... in February i had a brain tumour zapped out of my head.... i am currently not allowed to drive...but being around you 2 has helped me get through the aphasia caused by the radiation... laughter is indeed the best medicine.
If you had bothered to read before diving right into the forum you would have known that.
Again...cry me a river...once again you assume you are the ONLY person that has ever experienced a "difficult" time...I don't really give a crap about whether you work or NOT...the point is you are FIGHTING with the WRONG crowd here....
Instead of FIGHTING against pro-choicers you are fighting with those of us on the same side...I am sure plenty of pro-choicers love to come here and LAUGH at YOU too...giving them reason to believe they can once and for all defeat pro-lifers because we are totally divided!
just because yu say your prochoice does not mean anyone belives you... i surely don't especially because of the way yuo came in... so proove me wrong.
I have not ever said I am pro-choice, again demonstrating your selective reading and lack of comprehension skills....in addition, I don't have to prove*****to you and really don't give a crap about what you think or not.
But it is pretty damn sad that on a pro-life site the individuals posting have such disdain for others who also support the pro-life movement...worst of all...to dare to call yourself Catholic while doing so...you should be ashamed of yourself...I'll pray for your soul and hope that you make it to confession soon...cause you are one cold-hearted wench to attack others the way you do!

reply from: galen

you 2 came in her with the 'master plan' and then get upset when not everyone agrees with you....what are you a controll freak.?

reply from: neat62

You're the one who went on the attack mrs pacifist....so give it a rest already...you're the only one who as assumed...assumed you know what we do, who we are and why we are here...you are totally rude and I am embarrased to think that you are a representative of 1) Catholicism 2) ANY PRO-LIFE organization or movement

reply from: galen

neat said:
Again...cry me a river...once again you assume you are the ONLY person that has ever experienced a "difficult" time...I don't really give a crap about whether you work or NOT...the point is you are FIGHTING with the WRONG crowd here....
Instead of FIGHTING against pro-choicers you are fighting with those of us on the same side...I am sure plenty of pro-choicers love to come here and LAUGH at YOU too...giving them reason to believe they can once and for all defeat pro-lifers because we are totally divided!
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so why did you bother to ask?
hey vexing... am i always nice to you?

reply from: neat62

We came in here to share ideas...but you went on the attack...again proving you are NOT a pacifist by any means...you are a hate filled, bitter woman...who is need of a lot of prayer...cause your heart is cold and your arrogance is abundant!

reply from: neat62

I don't believe for one second that you are pro-life...I believe that you are a pro-choicer here to cause chaos among those who are willing to actually defend life.
Again, I'll pray for you...cause its more than apparent YOU NEED prayer!

reply from: galen

We came in here to share ideas...but you went on the attack...again proving you are NOT a pacifist by any means...you are a hate filled, bitter woman...who is need of a lot of prayer...cause your heart is cold and your arrogance is abundant!
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never saw any sharing saw lots of agreement on burning abortion clinics though... where was the sharing please post it... if i'm wrong i'll admit it....

reply from: neat62

We came in here to share ideas...but you went on the attack...again proving you are NOT a pacifist by any means...you are a hate filled, bitter woman...who is need of a lot of prayer...cause your heart is cold and your arrogance is abundant!
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never saw any sharing saw lots of agreement on burning abortion clinics though... where was the sharing please post it... if i'm wrong i'll admit it....
Please show me where either one of us posted that we should burn abortion clinics ...??
You can't...cause we have not advocated anything more than getting louder and shgowing more outrage...you are the ONLY ONE ASSUMING constantly....and you make yourself look like a complete moron when doing so!
Again, I'll pray for you...cause your hate and anger must be eating you alive!

reply from: leftistdestroyer

LOL BS It was going just fine until here. THIS is where it all began:
GALEN:
"no i would not use my real name in this arena ... i run a crisis women's shelter remember?... are you really this dense?
or are you just niave?"
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/FuseTalk/Forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=4173&STARTPAGE=8&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

Page 8.
You are a condascending arrogant cunt. And this is why the threads have become like this now.

reply from: galen

here is where it started as far as i can tell
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Originally posted by: faithman
Every clinic should be burned to the ground, and every abortionist should be put on notice retire or you will leave the planet. So called pro-life will never be taken seriously until that day.
Well, today is that day. That is exactly what I am calling for. And let those pictures cause outrage, that is what we need. And, we need more than that too. We need outrage on OUR side. It has ALWAYS worked for the left wingers. Now it is our turn.
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be cautious what you post... lots of people lurk this site... would not want the fibbies to find you...
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and got worse from there... so you don't think this agreement incites violnce... and is not leftist a part of your blog? this was from the abortion images thread.

reply from: leftistdestroyer

http://www.prolifeamerica.com/FuseTalk/Forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=4173&STARTPAGE=5&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

Page 5
"To All:
I am not advocating violence against anyone. I am simply tired of the same useless tactics of politness, political correctness, and back patting. I am calling for the unification of all those who are pro life, under one banner. I am calling for more collective activist time. I am calling for more displays of public outrage. I am calling for loudness. To be silent and weak, no more. "
You lying cunt.

reply from: galen

well if you think my creative use of language is name calling.... funny i've not been censored though...

reply from: galen

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so you take this agreement back... you don't think we should burn things down?

reply from: leftistdestroyer

Look up a couple comments. Now where did the name calling begin? Here it is again:
GALEN:
"no i would not use my real name in this arena ... i run a crisis women's shelter remember?... are you really this dense?
or are you just niave?"
Her arrogant condascending tone is the cause of all of this.

reply from: neat62

LOL! Yea...never get into name calling??? Applying that selective reading method again huh? I was not the one that through the first blow...your little friend was and because she fails at defending herself she's called you in to back her up...and ANYONE can go back through the threads and see how it all went down, so please stop trying to pretend you are so innocent in this all.

reply from: leftistdestroyer

Someone else said burn down the clinics. I called for more pictures. I called for outrage. I sent you to the blog to see my intentions.

reply from: galen

i caused nothing... i asked a question...if it hurt your feelings i'm sorry... but yu have to have a thick skin to be here... its part of the point of the board.
as i have been told over and over... the point of the board it to prepare you to fight in the real worl and practice your tactics.
now do you take back the agreement that we should burn things down?

reply from: neat62

Good, because I am not an advocate of censorship...I am not a PC supporter....but your language has hardly been creative its been nasty, obnoxious and rude...but again, its just typical of a lib who cries "tolerance and compassion" and then exhibits NONE for anyone who disagrees with them!

reply from: neat62

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so you take this agreement back... you don't think we should burn things down?
Again, applying selective reading? It was faithman who posted the burning comment...read the damn quote properly...sigh...

reply from: leftistdestroyer

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so you take this agreement back... you don't think we should burn things down?
I have posted what I want to do many times here. A page or two back I re posted my plan.
"To All:
I am not advocating violence against anyone. I am simply tired of the same useless tactics of politness, political correctness, and back patting. I am calling for the unification of all those who are pro life, under one banner. I am calling for more collective activist time. I am calling for more displays of public outrage. I am calling for loudness. To be silent and weak, no more."

reply from: galen

Someone else said burn down the clinics. I called for more pictures. I called for outrage. I sent you to the blog to see my intentions.
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seems like an agreement. with what faithman said.
but i'll say that if you do not agree with other things like this or go that rout you will get no more verbal lashings from me... agreed?

reply from: neat62

Oh...but according you we shouldn't actually "Fight" abortion...so what's the point in getting tough?
And umm...again, HE was not the one who posted the burning clinics...read the damn quote it was FAITHMAN!

reply from: leftistdestroyer

What "agreement" cunt? And use your thick skin, and stop whining about the name calling, cunt. Just take it with a smile you stupid bitc h

reply from: neat62

And telling a Christian that they can't be a real Christian isn't insulting?
Puh-leaaase!
Again...trying to change the topic because you LOST...you are not even worth replying to...you add NOTHING to the topic at hand and are more arrogant and condscending then even galen!

reply from: galen

oh i am actually laughing right now....
when you posted today is the day right after FM you mafde the agreement... but back up and re read my last post....
i actually said ok...

reply from: neat62

Someone else said burn down the clinics. I called for more pictures. I called for outrage. I sent you to the blog to see my intentions.
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seems like an agreement. with what faithman said.
but i'll say that if you do not agree with other things like this or go that rout you will get no more verbal lashings from me... agreed?
First off, I can take any "verbal lashings" you can dish out...remember, per your own words, we are supposed to be getting tough here....but...if you are willing to admit that NO WHERE did we entice violence then fine, I'll agree.
You know..if we really wanted to do what you claim...we would have done so on our own blog in our OWN post on abortion...but again WE DID NO SUCH THING!

reply from: leftistdestroyer

Someone else said burn down the clinics. I called for more pictures. I called for outrage. I sent you to the blog to see my intentions.
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seems like an agreement. with what faithman said.
but i'll say that if you do not agree with other things like this or go that rout you will get no more verbal lashings from me... agreed?
Yeah, we wont be taken seriously. Today we will ...if you follow my plans.
Oh ***** you. YOU do not call the shots! I will say what I want to say. If you want to just move on from this mess, I will agree to that. I will agree to end this childish nonsense.

reply from: galen

Oh...but according you we shouldn't actually "Fight" abortion...so what's the point in getting tough?
And umm...again, HE was not the one who posted the burning clinics...read the damn quote it was FAITHMAN!--------------------------------------
yep .... fight abortion...with words... with money...what exactly do you think " tough" is?

reply from: carolemarie

http://www.prolifeamerica.com/FuseTalk/Forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=4173&STARTPAGE=5&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear
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Page 5
"To All:
I am not advocating violence against anyone. I am simply tired of the same useless tactics of politness, political correctness, and back patting. I am calling for the unification of all those who are pro life, under one banner. I am calling for more collective activist time. I am calling for more displays of public outrage. I am calling for loudness. To be silent and weak, no more. "
You lying cunt.
So you wrote a blog? That is really sweet.
That is your idea of fighting abortion? LOL-
FYI-All prolifers don't agree on or see eye to eye on everything. So with your potty mouth to anyone who disagrees with you are going to reconcile the prolife movement.
---Good luck with that!

reply from: leftistdestroyer

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Page 5
"To All:
I am not advocating violence against anyone. I am simply tired of the same useless tactics of politness, political correctness, and back patting. I am calling for the unification of all those who are pro life, under one banner. I am calling for more collective activist time. I am calling for more displays of public outrage. I am calling for loudness. To be silent and weak, no more. "
You lying cunt.
So you wrote a blog? That is really sweet.
That is your idea of fighting abortion? LOL-
FYI-All prolifers don't agree on or see eye to eye on everything. So with your potty mouth to anyone who disagrees with you are going to reconcile the prolife movement.
---Good luck with that!
Go read the whole post ***** and see how it came to this.

reply from: neat62

And responding to you in exactly the same way you have been responding is changing the topic, how?
I'm done with you.
One of us has to be adult enough to walk away from this and let it die.
Sadly, you won't be ashamed that it wasn't you.
Goodbye.
Sure...when faced when truth...turn tail and run...again, typical. At least galen has the balls to admit that perhaps she made a misjudgement and as agreed to move on....you just run though...no, I won't be ashamed, not one bit and NO I consider myself to be the adult, as I don't call someone a name and then run to my room to hide!

reply from: galen

you want to to stop.. go ahead...

reply from: neat62

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Page 5
"To All:
I am not advocating violence against anyone. I am simply tired of the same useless tactics of politness, political correctness, and back patting. I am calling for the unification of all those who are pro life, under one banner. I am calling for more collective activist time. I am calling for more displays of public outrage. I am calling for loudness. To be silent and weak, no more. "
You lying cunt.
So you wrote a blog? That is really sweet.
That is your idea of fighting abortion? LOL-
FYI-All prolifers don't agree on or see eye to eye on everything. So with your potty mouth to anyone who disagrees with you are going to reconcile the prolife movement.
---Good luck with that!
Oh...but your "myspace" page is going to win the fight right?? **rolleyes

reply from: leftistdestroyer

that sounds real sincere.

reply from: neat62

What is that supposed to mean? I thought you were ready to agree so that we could actually discuss the real issues?
Or are you just trying to be snide again??

reply from: cracrat

Inarticulate dear, inarticulate...

reply from: cracrat

LOL, idiot. (anyone can type this, in case you did not notice.)
Remember the Jews. We went in their to protect the lives of those still living, those facing a "imminent threat".
OK, seriously, I might just buy a whole box of history books and mail them to all you idiots who think you know about the Second World War. It was not about stopping the Holocaust. It was not about defending Jewish people. You (America) had no intention of getting involved until Japan b1tch-slapped you at Pearl Harbour. Now, can we please all stop using it as a example of violence being justifiably used to defend the weak, because it really really wasn't like that.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Just 'she', you *****ing piece of *****, homophobic, closeted, bigot cunt.
Actually, I thought you were a "it".
Vexing, I believe you said you were born male but for a while now have identified your gender as female. If this is the case, you are a he. I would have been in error to use the term she, even if you have a "sex reassignment surgery", dress the womanly part, talk or walk as a woman. I'm not going to dignify these "attempts" to be a person of the opposite gender. I think you may have accused God of giving you male gentilia when in fact you say you are a true woman inside. You are not a woman, only confused. I can see where Joe comes up with a term like "it" in such cases.
As for being "closeted" about my views; I'm so open about them that I could no longer work for a major corporation. Because I was Pro-Life and anti-sodomy I was rejected as an employee. Employees were required to sign statements that they would not denigrate a diverse range of groups and behaviors (such as sodomy or abortion). If someone was offended the offender was automatically found guilty based on the offended party's definition of an offense. It was no longer possible for me to work with a major US corporation.

reply from: carolemarie

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"To All:
I am not advocating violence against anyone. I am simply tired of the same useless tactics of politness, political correctness, and back patting. I am calling for the unification of all those who are pro life, under one banner. I am calling for more collective activist time. I am calling for more displays of public outrage. I am calling for loudness. To be silent and weak, no more. "
You lying cunt.
So you wrote a blog? That is really sweet.
That is your idea of fighting abortion? LOL-
FYI-All prolifers don't agree on or see eye to eye on everything. So with your potty mouth to anyone who disagrees with you are going to reconcile the prolife movement.
---Good luck with that!
Oh...but your "myspace" page is going to win the fight right?? **rolleyes
No, that page is to reach out to women in the sex industry and to direct women to post abortion counseling program.

reply from: faithman

http://www.prolifeamerica.com/...MVIEWTMP=Linear
http://www.prolifeamer...om/.....near
Page 5
"To All:
I am not advocating violence against anyone. I am simply tired of the same useless tactics of politness, political correctness, and back patting. I am calling for the unification of all those who are pro life, under one banner. I am calling for more collective activist time. I am calling for more displays of public outrage. I am calling for loudness. To be silent and weak, no more. "
You lying cunt.
So you wrote a blog? That is really sweet.
That is your idea of fighting abortion? LOL-
FYI-All prolifers don't agree on or see eye to eye on everything. So with your potty mouth to anyone who disagrees with you are going to reconcile the prolife movement.
---Good luck with that!
Oh...but your "myspace" page is going to win the fight right?? **rolleyes
No, it was set up by a passive aggressive who wants to drawe people into co-dependance. It is about sugar syrup opra boo hoo moments, and calling it ministry. It is about excusing the horrible crime that the post abortive have committed towards womb children. It was created by one who has personally killed three womb children, came to this site bragging about it, and talking down to real pro-lifers because it has the experiance of killing three. Cm is a major problem in "pro-life" not the answere. As long as we tie pink ribbons on the slaughter, the babies die.

reply from: carolemarie

Your so crazy that I don't even know how to answer your loony post.
There is nothing co-dependent in helping people find healing and the Lord!
It isn't passive agressive to help people. Do you even know what the term actually means?
Nobody brags about having had an abortion. But we do use those experiences to reach out to those who are considering it, or who need help, or who support it because they think it helps women.
Seriously, grow up.

reply from: faithman

Seriously, get truely pro-life. You would fight equality for the womb child because it would mean future killers like you would not get a free walk like you got. You are a murderer, and deserve to be in prison, not patting yourself on the back because you sold a false bill of goods to so many. You are as phony as a three dollar bill, and that is a dollar for every one of the children you had slaughtered.

reply from: leftistdestroyer

Originally posted by: carolemarie
That is not true. Imnotsorry.net

reply from: galen

That is not true. Imnotsorry.net
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actually most people here do not belive the stories on that site are real.

reply from: KaylieBee

It's wrong to kill that person, but sure, kill this one!

reply from: leftistdestroyer

Inarticulate dear, inarticulate...
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/unarticulate
http://thesaurus.infoplease.com/unarticulate
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/unarticulated

reply from: KaylieBee

That is not true. Imnotsorry.net
Sharing a story is different from bragging.

reply from: leftistdestroyer

That is not true. Imnotsorry.net
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actually most people here do not belive the stories on that site are real.
At the very least, it gives us ammo. I have no reason to suspect they are lying. Either way, they use it to uphold Roe, to a frontal assault (non violent...) is warranted.

reply from: leftistdestroyer

That is not true. Imnotsorry.net
Sharing a story is different from bragging.
They weren't. they were bragging. And blatent bragging at that.

reply from: faithman

When one has evil intent to take innocent life, then lethal force is justified. It has always been that way. If someone is hell bent on harming a born child, and they are killed, it is called an act of heroism. If the same killer is an abortionist, then we are supposed to give them a free walk. It is wrong to kill an innocent person. It is not wrong to stop an evil aggressor with lethal force.

reply from: leftistdestroyer

And that is sad. That is why we will lose. Battles over tactics. And tactic that have been proved a failure for 35 years. No offense to anyone.
They are simply more passionate about it that we(as a group) are.

reply from: KaylieBee

When one has evil intent to take innocent life, then lethal force is justified. It has always been that way. If someone is hell bent on harming a born child, and they are killed, it is called an act of heroism. If the same killer is an abortionist, then we are supposed to give them a free walk. It is wrong to kill an innocent person. It is not wrong to stop an evil aggressor with lethal force.
Killing is killing.
You can't hate one kind, and embrace another.

reply from: faithman

And that is sad. That is why we will lose. Battles over tactics. And tactic that have been proved a failure for 35 years. No offense to anyone.
They are simply more passionate about it that we(as a group) are.
They are willing to slaughter babies for what they believe. We are not willing to use force to protect the innocent. The moment "mainstream" pro-life took lethal force off of the table, the abortionist knew that they could kill with relative security. They even have the cover of those who call themselves pro-life who would rather protect the abortionist than those they kill.

reply from: faithman

When one has evil intent to take innocent life, then lethal force is justified. It has always been that way. If someone is hell bent on harming a born child, and they are killed, it is called an act of heroism. If the same killer is an abortionist, then we are supposed to give them a free walk. It is wrong to kill an innocent person. It is not wrong to stop an evil aggressor with lethal force.
Killing is killing.
You can't hate one kind, and embrace another.
Oh yes I can. Our laws make the distinction. Are you going to picket the police department that uses lethal force to stop criminals? And if killing is killing why do abortionist and killer moms get a free skate? How can you hate the womb child and "love" killer mom?

reply from: KaylieBee

Perhaps because those who create laws do not believe that killing is killing?
For example, someone who accidentally kills won't be punished the same as someone who purposely kills.
But killing a person will always have the same horrible effect on the person doing a killing. At least, it should. Regardless of whose life you end, the fact that you ended a life should horrify you.

reply from: galen

And that is sad. That is why we will lose. Battles over tactics. And tactic that have been proved a failure for 35 years. No offense to anyone.
They are simply more passionate about it that we(as a group) are.
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if you were told ( as a man) than you must give up sex in order not to have a chance at becoming pregnant... and you really liked sex....because abortion was illegal, would you not be up in arms? that is what is at the heart of this... no one wants to be told their favourite past time is now something that might change their lives in a way they don't want. Saying sex can get you in to trouble is like telling an addict they have to quit. All the revenues from shows like sex in the city go way.. so do all the other entrapments. sex is a big buisness in this world, and we capitolists don't ( as a society) want the money tree to go roots up. The way to change the problem is to show other ways of having lucritive lives without relying on that one particular aspect, otherwise you have a bunch of dead people , a lot of resentment and nothing to show for it. then the next election comes along and you have to fight the battle all over again. Its like unburning a home...you can't do it you have to rebuild it.

reply from: carolemarie

When one has evil intent to take innocent life, then lethal force is justified. It has always been that way. If someone is hell bent on harming a born child, and they are killed, it is called an act of heroism. If the same killer is an abortionist, then we are supposed to give them a free walk. It is wrong to kill an innocent person. It is not wrong to stop an evil aggressor with lethal force.
Killing is killing.
You can't hate one kind, and embrace another.
You are so right!
You think Christians would get that whole love your neighbor as your self thing.....

reply from: leftistdestroyer

Originally posted by: faithman
Oh Don't I know it. That is why my passion is running deeper and deeper. The frustration that I have is almost unbearable. Time to leave those with the old mindset in the dust, and proceed without them.

reply from: galen

Oh Don't I know it. That is why my passion is running deeper and deeper. The frustration that I have is almost unbearable. Time to leave those with the old mindset in the dust, and proceed without them.
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just to point out a dangerous liason...

reply from: leftistdestroyer

And that is sad. That is why we will lose. Battles over tactics. And tactic that have been proved a failure for 35 years. No offense to anyone.
They are simply more passionate about it that we(as a group) are.
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If I was being told that? Probably. If that is the way it is and it was illegal and I had no real choice, I guess I would be more careful. And most of it would probably fall to the woman to control the situation. She has the power now because of feminism and Roe, she would still have the power after Roe. She would have to because she has no safety net anymore. It could force personal responsibillity.
If they obey the law, as many of them will(not all but many), then isn't that a good thing?

That sexual cat is long out of that bag. That's like trying to stop a firecracker from exploding. Everybody in the US already knows better, yet they screw up anyway, all the time. STD's are on the rise again. AIDS is still high among the gays. Drunk drivers still kill people. We all know better, but we never think it will happen to us. BUT, when it does, they only learn from it, where there is a consequence to their actions, not a bailout. And the next generation learns from that.
Forget elections. Both sides use abortion to keep them in office. Pro lifers need to bring back the stigma of abortion. The courts will side with the loudest groups. If politicnas fear rebellion, they may actually work to at least, meet in the middle. It is worth a shot.

reply from: leftistdestroyer

Oh Don't I know it. That is why my passion is running deeper and deeper. The frustration that I have is almost unbearable. Time to leave those with the old mindset in the dust, and proceed without them.
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just to point out a dangerous liason...
LOL

reply from: galen

My point is you can have all the violence/ agression/ etc. you want and without changing the social implications you will never change society enough to keep a repealed law repealed... someone will always come along with the political slogan... put abortion back on the books... and those who remember how nice things were in the'bad old days' will vote for them. look how many people blindly follow OBAMA... everything he says is THE WORD... people relish the thought that he will fix things... never mind that the numbers don't add up just right... or that he was never a very good senator in the first place. He has charisma...a cult of personality following... and plays on what people want to be true.

reply from: leftistdestroyer

I just don't get it. The left in the 60/70's gave us Roe, and we can't get rid of it. Why can't we do the same damn thing. It is stuck in the legalities. The difference is the pro abortion side has the balls to push their agenda forward, while we do not. Politically speaking, it is easier to give people something than to take it away. Now it must be forced.

reply from: galen

I just don't get it. The left in the 60/70's gave us Roe, and we can't get rid of it. Why can't we do the same damn thing. It is stuck in the legalities. The difference is the pro abortion side has the balls to push their agenda forward, while we do not. Politically speaking, it is easier to give people something than to take it away. Now it must be forced.
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you sound a bit too much like pol pot.

reply from: faithman

And as horrible as it may be, it is nessisary to protect the innocent from evil aggression.


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