Home - List All Discussions

School-boys in Colorado must be allowed to shower with the school-girls

Anyone trying to prevent this right is subject to a year behind bars

by: GodsLaw4Us2Live

I bring this up because I believe sexual practices are intimately related to abortion issues.

Colorado Governor Signs Dangerous Legislation

Dr. James Dobson, founder and chairman of Focus on the Family, issued this statement late today after Colorado Gov. Bill Ritter signed SB 200:
"Who would have believed that the Colorado state Legislature and its governor would have made it fully legal for men to enter and use women's restrooms and locker-room facilities without notice or explanation?
"Henceforth, every woman and little girl will have to fear that a predator, bisexual, cross-dresser or even a homosexual or heterosexual male might walk in and relieve himself in their presence. The legislation lists every conceivable type of organization to which this law applies, including restaurants, bathhouses, massage parlors, mortuaries, theaters and 'public facilities of any kind.' Those who would attempt to protect females from this intrusion are subject to a fine of up to $5,000 and up to one year behind bars.
"This is your government in action. It represents a payback to Tim Gill and two other billionaires who have essentially 'bought' the state Legislature with enormous campaign contributions. Coloradans deserve better!
"And by the way, because of the way this bill is written, it is not subject to the initiative process. There is no recourse."

reply from: sander

I won't need a reminder to stay out of Colorado.
Don't these people ever look at the worse case scenarios?
There are some men upon seeing or hearing about their wife, daughter, sister being exposed to another man using the restroom will not take it quietly.
What a sad commentary overall.

reply from: carolemarie

The bill doesn't exactly say this. This is Dobsons take on what will happen when this is signed into law. Post the exact text and you will see what I mean. It still is a terrible bill. But I think boys showering with the girls will not be happening.

reply from: 4given

Is there a link to the actual bill? How frightening. My sons still have to use the family restroom or men's room only after I have made sure no one is in there and stand at the door the whole time.. They may not understand it, but will later.
What does the SB 200 state in regard to co-showering?

reply from: sander

You sure you want to know???
Boy, I hope this isn't as bad as it sounds! Otherwise, 4Given, we better start looking up and I know you know why!

reply from: galen

i too would like a link... i can not seem to find a copy online...

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

What? Are you a homophobe? If a little boy feels he is a girl trapped in a boy's body he must be allowed to be what he wants to be. He must be able to fully express himself by using the girl's restroom and shower facilities. He choses his identity, and you must live with it. If he declares himself a girl and you try in the least way to limit him from fully doing what all other girls are allowed to do, you are a hateful, narrow-minded bigot that needs to be locked up for a year for squashing his full girlish aspirations.
You're a fool if you don't think the walls are coming down completely between boys and girls. This is Sodom and Gomorrah. The most wicked of people have decided that you are an ignorant hick from the sticks, a dangerous misguided fundamentalist, if you don't allow people to do whatever they want. There use to have separate drinking fountains for whites and negroes, now they are gone. Separate facilities for men and women is viewed as just as backwards, there should be no separate facilities for men and women according to their reasoning; it's discriminatory.
I don't know if you have noticed, but the most wicked and perverse of minds are winning acceptance for their wicked and perverse ways. Those with good solid farmboy sense are ridiculed as backwards.
The wicked are becoming more and more bold. They are winning the "rights" to engage in their perverse behaviors. They are belittling and trying to shame those who disagree with their perverse behaviors; labeling them as intolerant bigots.
Some behaviors are intollerable; murdering preborn children, damaging others' lower intestines in pursuit of sexual relief, removal of sexual restrictions, etc.

reply from: 4given

You sure you want to know???
Boy, I hope this isn't as bad as it sounds! Otherwise, 4Given, we better start looking up and I know you know why!
*vomiting impulses*.. I believe the end is near.. Just not be the rear end of any all- to- friendly female .. or male near any of my children! Egad! Who would have thought.... I guess I am beyond surprised anymore.. just discouraged..

reply from: sander

I NEVER would have thought, but doesn't the Word say things would speed up near the end? It's been one defeat for morality after the other in short order of late.
Making our election sure seems to be very urgent.
And yet, I have a peace that passes all understanding! I KNOW my Redeemer lives!

reply from: carolemarie

Here is the link to the bill so you can read it --
http://www.leg.state.co.us/CLICS/CLICS2008A/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/BD7A295EB6F4460E872573F5005D0148?Open&file=200_01.pdf

Its still pretty bad....

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2008a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont/BD7A295EB6F4460E872573F5005D0148?Open&file=200_enr.pdf
The bill is 20 pages. The last sentence basically says it is an emergency bill that is necessary for public health and safety and therefore can not be overridden by further legislation such as a bill sponsored by a necessary number of taxpayer signatures.
And yes, the bill does say educational institutions cannot discriminate. Shools must allow boys and girls to choose whichever locker room or bathroom that they want.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

I'm just trying to figure out how your saying "your kind ain't welcome here" might prevent abortions.....
Over-educated intellectuals cannot figure it out. There is a move to bring down all sexual barriors. When all the young boys and girls start showering together increased promiscuity will be the result. Homosexual activists are trying to bring down the barriers. Increased promiscuity will result in more aborted babies and people who feel they do not have to be responsible, only sexually free and ready to kill any accidents.

reply from: sander

*sigh*
Any resonable person couldn't possibly believe this is some earth shattering emergency! They're using that as a way to ursurp the will of the people.
So much for a a government for the people by the people.
Tyranny is becoming more and more evident.
But, still....can't someone take this thru the court system?

reply from: 4given

Did you have any transgendered children in your school? What would you have thought if Penelope Plaid came scrambling in looking for her tampon machine? Maybe wanting to test out the urinal.. What about your girls? How do you feel about their possible discomfort should a "boy" want to urinate in "safety" of their stalls?................ I understand that cruelty exists for the morally deprived and also the forthright. Do I want any child to suffer abuse and humiliation? No! Do I want my children to view this "confused" being as less than them- No! Do I want them to embrace their demons as being "normal"? NO! The whole idea frightens me.

reply from: sheri

Reason #1 today for why i'm home schooling my kids!
Not just to protect them though, with all the encouragement to "explore" your sexuality at a very early age you are going to get confused little kids that will be mercilessly picked on, and i dont want my child to witness such a thing untill they are old enough to know that that kind of behavior too is wrong and they should take action to stop it.
You cant expect a child to differentiate and make the right choice, and the "teachers" are either too busy or too lazy to oversee properly.

reply from: jujujellybean

yah I was homeschooled to eight grade and got a great education.

reply from: Skippy

That's pretty much what the law regarding public schools in California says: That schoolchildren may use the facilities of either their "actual or perceived" gender.
In one Orange County high school, that law resulted in two decidedly heterosexual young men dressing up as women in order to use the ladies' locker room for gym class.
I thought it was pretty funny, but I'm sure the girls were unamused.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

C
I'm just trying to figure out how your saying "your kind ain't welcome here" might prevent abortions.....
Over-educated intellectuals cannot figure it out. There is a move to bring down all sexual barriors. When all the young boys and girls start showering together increased promiscuity will be the result. Homosexual activists are trying to bring down the barriers. Increased promiscuity will result in more aborted babies and people who feel they do not have to be responsible, only sexually free and ready to kill any accidents.
CP says:
Am I an "overeducated intellectual?" I suppose the eighth grade was a little much, now that you mention it...When should I have dropped out in your opinion? The 5th, 6th maybe? Or would that have been overdoing it still? I read the bill, but I must have missed the part where it stated that my daughters would be required to shower with boys...Would you mind quoting it for me? You know we "overeducated intellectuals" have difficulty figuring these things out....[/q]
GL4UTL says:
Education is not limited to sitting behind a desk in a building at an educational instititution. My education at college and high school decades ago is obsolete and close to worthless. My real education came later. We've since learned about computers and what secularists are bombarding us with each day. Your education is coming from those around you, society, the media. You dig into books and websites. Your education is vibrant, living and current. What happened in a building decades ago was only a beginning to your educational experiences. I'm sure you've absorbed much from today's society.
Come on concernedparent, you are trying to be deliberately obtuse. Your daughters can refuse to shower, they can quit using public showers and restrooms; I hope they can hold things a long time and don't mind any odor after gym class. But if they want to shower or relieve themselves the boys will be there when they are; I don't believe judges will set up a schedule for different types of people to use the facilities at different times. At the end of page 5 and start of page 6 it says:
Discrimination in public accomodation
(1) ...an educational institution....
This paragraph in the act says an educational instititution shall not discriminate in providing public accomodations. It's like the discriminatory water fountain thing of the early 20th century. Later legislation permitted black men access to"whites only" water fountains. Men cannot be denied the use of "women's only" restroom and shower facilities. Some liberal judge will say you cannot restrict the hours of use to only such times as the opposite sex is not using the facilities. Men and women will be in the facilities at the same time. A school boy has the right to enter a girl's shower room at any time, with no notice, to use the facilities, regardless of whether girls are presently showering or relieving themselves.
You are just trying to be difficult concernedparent. You should know very well that this bill protects the behavior I highlighted in the topic; boys will want to hop in the shower with girls; they now have the law behind them, a law that penalizes schools that may try to stand in their way.
Originally posted by: GodsLaw4Us2Live
What? Are you a homophobe? If a little boy feels he is a girl trapped in a boy's body he must be allowed to be what he wants to be. He must be able to fully express himself by using the girl's restroom and shower facilities. He choses his identity, and you must live with it. If he declares himself a girl and you try in the least way to limit him from fully doing what all other girls are allowed to do, you are a hateful, narrow-minded bigot that needs to be locked up for a year for squashing his full girlish aspirations.
Posted by Skippy:
That's pretty much what the law regarding public schools in California says: That schoolchildren may use the facilities of either their "actual or perceived" gender.
In one Orange County high school, that law resulted in two decidedly heterosexual young men dressing up as women in order to use the ladies' locker room for gym class.
I thought it was pretty funny, but I'm sure the girls were unamused.

reply from: churchmouse

I dont know where he should go, but not into the girls bathroom. No female should have to share a locker room with a male. I dont care how hateful or wrong that sounds. There is a difference between sexes. My kids are older but if they had been in that state, I would have yanked them out so fast.
You hit the nail on the head here. You are totally right.
Despite what our liberal laws dictate today...there are major differences between sexes. To make a law that even suggests this will happen is absoltuely a crime. No woman should have to share a locker room with a male. I wonder what they will do when the number of rapes go up. I am so sick of humanists, I'm sorry.
No godly judge would ever make a law like this. And this is exactly what is happening when people try to live without God. We are a perverted nation that worships sex. We glorify it. We sexualize our children, we don't care. Clinton said, oral sex isnt really sex remember and look what happened after he made that statement. Now we have "friends with benfits." You just hook up with a friend for sex, no strings attached. That might be fine for boys, but girls think differently.
And why are laws like this passed?
So that children will grow up being tolerant of deviant lifestyles. The liberal sexual agenda underlies the teaching of sex education in our schools and that is very obvious by what is presently going on. Our schools teach the benefits of oral sex, masturbation and homosexual activity....all without parental notification. They dont jsut want kids to tolerate their crap, they want them to totally embrace it. Because sex is normal, no form of sexuality should be condemned.....all lifestyles and sex acts must be taught as a valid experience, non worse than the other.
I don'teven live in Colorado and I am outraged. But you know what will happen. Joe Public won't say a word. If people stormed the capital change might take place. But Americans for the most part are lazy and content to sit and home until its to late to do anything. When they do finally wake up they look around and wonder what happened. Then they point the finger at someone else, when the blame should be on them.
Yea.....Well abortion was only supposed to be for the tough cases, (rape incest and womans health) but today we have abortion on demand for any reason.
You better hope the Hate Crimes Law does not pass or we too will end up like Sweden and Canada, where the Bible is classified as hate literature and pastors or anyone else for that matter will not have free speech. Where if you oppose homosexuality and state this publically you will go to jail.
And sheri I do not blame you one bit for homseschooling especially if you live in Colorado. They seem to have become a liberal cess-pool of educators and judges havent they.

reply from: sheri

Measha, I live in NY which is even worse!

reply from: sander

All very well said, Churchmouse.
This nation hit a slipery slope the day God was escorted out of public life. It seems to be gaining an un-natural momentum. Christians understand this to be yet another sign and time to be "looking up", for our Redemption draws near!
What to do in the meantime? Do what Sheri is doing is a good place to start and God help His people to repent and turn from their wicked ways then stand UP AND BE COUNTED!
The church has been too silent for too long, she better speak now while she can, because the day does approach when even the pulpit will be silenced.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

(bolding mine)
Are you for segregation, GodsLaw?

reply from: sander

If there has to be any kind of compromise, then let it be that the schools, in particular, designate certain bathrooms and showers for the transgendered.
By having the long standing practice of seperate bathrooms for males and females in no way as been viewed as discrimination. So, to have another one for the transgendered is in no way an act of discrimination.
Though, I never thought I'd live to see the day.
What happened to the right of "privacy", does it end when we go to school or go out to dinner? I have the right to not face another man when I'm using the toilet, sorry for the blunt description. Is there nothing reserved for decency and common sense? Are all lines to be blurred?

reply from: Smurfy

Hate to tell you this honey, but chances are high that you've shared a public toilet with a transsexual woman more than once.
Transsexual women are not male. They are female. Many TS women I know are far more feminine than the majority of natal women.
Anyway...
Did you family have a boy's toilet and a girls toilet at home? Or did you use the same one?
Hmmm?

reply from: Smurfy

You expect that laws prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation will increase the incidence of rape? Based on?
She doesn't understand that hormone therapy basically kills most of the function downstairs for TS women, as well as dropping their libido through the floor.
She also hasn't considered that TS women see natal women as their peers, not as objects for sexual predation.
But I'm usually asking too much when I expect people to think on here...

reply from: churchmouse

Pleazze. So being in a family and living together is the same as dressing with kids at school? I've heard everything. A child should feel safe at home with his family and its different then being at a public place. I am so sick of people that feel the traditional family unit is passe. I am also sick of a tiny minority of people making the rules and changing society to suit them. And we the majority should not only tolerate, but embrace the changes.
No we did not have separate toilets at home. I did not have to follow my kids into the toilet either. But any parent today that would allow a child to go into a public place alone without supervision is nuts. We shut the door too when we did our private stuff. We respect privacy.
Let me ask you this. Would you mind of boys were allowed in your daughters locker room? Would it be acceptable to you if they showered together?

What is wrong with girls showering with girls and boys with boys? Why would I want to use a mens room to see them stand their and urinate. Is the penis exposed during urination? You think that is acceptable for children to see?
I can only imagine how this law will be abused and the things that could happen because of it. I think you fail to see what could possibly happen.
So because we don't think this law is a good thing, we are intolerant? Why should we modify the stalls?
So in order to be fair to everyone we should have special showers and toilets for everyone that has a problem with a situation or person. Whites can be with whites, blacks with blacks, Asians with Asians, co-ed ones, ones for lesbians, homosexuals, transgender........come on.

And you know they wont? Based on?
You only gave one sentence. You are the one that is in denial over the definition and on another thread I gave you a secular humanist website that described what a humanist was. You obviously wanted to ignore it.
I Know exactly what a humanist is, and it came from a humanist organization. Humanists deny a God belief.
Then educate yourself about humanism and your position.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

I am totally and completely amazed that you can make the claims that you do concernedparent. The bill allows males to walk into a woman's restroom or shower at any time without advance notice or explanation. How then can you say a girl will not be sacrificing her privacy in any way? It's simple, really, separate facilities for men and women were created for the purpose of privacy. Now, there will not be separate facilities that will be kept private from the opposite sex. How can you keep on arguing that black is white and white is black?
In a crooked and perverse generation I must point out that sodomy is profane. Also, Islam is equivalent to being a KKK member or Nazi. Something must be said about such foul and despicable belief systems. Islam is anti-semitic. The holocaust shows us that anti-semitism must be confronted aggressively.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

I am totally and completely amazed that you can make the claims that you do concernedparent. The bill allows males to walk into a woman's restroom or shower at any time without advance notice or explanation. How then can you say a girl will not be sacrificing her privacy in any way? It's simple, really, separate facilities for men and women were created for the purpose of privacy. Now, there will not be separate facilities that will be kept private from the opposite sex. How can you keep on arguing that black is white and white is black?
In a crooked and perverse generation I must point out that sodomy is profane. Also, Islam is equivalent to being a KKK member or Nazi. Something must be said about such foul and despicable belief systems. Islam is anti-semitic. The holocaust shows us that anti-semitism must be confronted aggressively.
Once more, quote me the section of the bill that states that girls will be forced to shower with boys, and that anyone who tries to prevent this will go to jail, as you claimed in your topic title.
I used the term "boys must be permitted to shower with the girls" rather than "the girls will be forced to shower with boys". The boys can pull off their clothes and jump in the girl's shower at any time (That's what the bill is for). The poor unfortunate girls in the shower at the time will not be forced to stay there; they can quickly exit. Colorado has made the the distinguishing characteristics of separate girls and boys facilities totally irrelevant, they are open houses for all genders.
Are you playing some semantics game like Bill Clinton who said oral sex was not sex and his legal answers depend on what the definition of the word is is?
The bill says educational institutions shall not discriminate against a wide host of individuals who are entitled to use public facilities of their choosing (same sex or opposite sex).

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

That would be discrimination. The bill is meant to end discrimination.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

And we couldn't have that, could we?
It is good to be a discriminating person and an intolerant person on many subjects. Many at their jobs are required to be discriminating, to sort and group products into different categories. When fishing I discriminate as to the lures and methods of presentations that I use. I don't use a musky lure for panfish. It's good for an employer to be intolerant of many behaviors; to have a zero policy for alcohol, drug or sexual harrassment at the place of employment. To be a discriminating and intolerant employer, person, etc on many subjects or behaviors is appropriate. And there should be discrimintaion against men going into women's locker rooms because many women want privacy.
Concernedparent, you know politicians are deceivers. They promote the merits of a bill, but not its' negatives. They usually loudly and proudly let a group know when the politician is supporting their position, but normally don't blow the alarm trumpet to other groups to let them know the politician is craftily going against their values.
The bill is 20 pages and open to interpretation by judges. Many claim it is primarily concerned with fair housing practices, so a person shouldn't be concerned. Just as politicians said the partial birth abortion procedure was a rare procedure carried out in only the most tragic of cases (life and health of mom at risk), something we really need performed by the heroic abortionists; so a person shouldn't be concerned. You say it may be to help out the little boy who wants to choose a female identity. How about looking at the other side of the coin and how this will play out in reality? I have no doubt there will be liberal judges who will say the boy who wants to be treated like a girl MUST be treated exactly like a girl, including showering with them, and those judges will cite this legislation. No, the bill is not entitled "The boys and girls shalt shower together bill", but that appears to be one of the consequences to me; how could it be otherwise?
The bill does not list the possible thousands and thousands of permutations, but is a guideline that judges will use as a framework to make decisions; decisions that may take a very liberal interpretation. Judges' decisions must be executed (carried out, followed).

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Hi.
My legal name is Caitlin Brenna Johnston.
I am a transsexual.
I have been living as a woman for nine months.
If you would like proof, here is my drivers license: http://www.noobtown.co.nz/lic.jpg
">http://www.noobtown.co.nz/lic.jpg
Why are you trying to say I would try to rape other women in public toilets?
Why do you have so much hatred against me?
Why is it so wrong that I sit and urinate in a toilet stall next to another woman?
Why would another woman be uncomfortable using the same toilets as me, when I am more female looking than most of the 'real' women who use the toilet?
How is anyone's privacy being interrupted when women's toilets are all separate stalls that are quite private?
There is no urinal in the female ablutions.
How is anyone's privacy being invaded when each person has their own private stall to pee/poop in?
Why are you so offended by my existence?
What did I ever do to you for you to hate me so much?
You have never met me, yet you judge me and my kind and say we are wrong.
You would not be able to tell me from any other woman on the street.
So why do you despise me?
My initial impression of you was that you only came here to be vexing, to cause consternation and for you to get a personal kick out of the trouble you cause. Yes indeed, I had a very negative opinion of you after reading your first few posts. I just thought you were some college student sending crank postings. You had some free time and wanted to get some kicks.
James Dobson of Focus on the Family has suggested by his wording that he believes rapists would use this bill as an opportunity to frequent women's facilities. I am not saying that a male that self-identifies as a woman would rape women, they may or may not have interest in women sexually; but there are some men that may take the opening up of women's private facilities as an opportunity to become a voyageer; an opportunity to see and lust, and possibly lose control and sexually assault. That's one reason he says he finds danger in this bill.

reply from: cracrat

If someone is intent on raping someone, the little pictogram on the toilet door is going to make precious little difference. Or to put it another way, if a woman got raped in a public toilet, do you really the police are going to be concerned that the man was in the ladies room?
Rape is rarely about sexual pleasure, it is about power. Having such power over another person to be able to violate them in whatever manner you choose. I find it unlikely beyond countenance that somebody would be overcome with such thoughts on the basis of being in the same room as a woman, whether she's using the loo or not.
There are strange overtones to this legislation, but opposing it on the basis of potentially increasing incidences of rape is even stranger.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

If someone is intent on raping someone, the little pictogram on the toilet door is going to make precious little difference. Or to put it another way, if a woman got raped in a public toilet, do you really the police are going to be concerned that the man was in the ladies room?
Rape is rarely about sexual pleasure, it is about power. Having such power over another person to be able to violate them in whatever manner you choose. I find it unlikely beyond countenance that somebody would be overcome with such thoughts on the basis of being in the same room as a woman, whether she's using the loo or not.
There are strange overtones to this legislation, but opposing it on the basis of potentially increasing incidences of rape is even stranger.
James Dobson mentioned predators entering women's locker rooms (It's the first term he used). He referred to the predator relieving himself in front of women. He left it at that and didn't mention rape or exhibitism; although the term predator seems to suggest the individual has more than relieving himself on his mind. I wanted to make it clear Dobson did not bring up the "rape" word; but I think he was strongly suggesting it. I certainly believe an after hours shower or use of the restroom could be extremely hazardous if predatory men are lurking in the stalls. I think it is foolish to dismiss the potential danger. You just don't put the alcohol right in front of the alcoholic.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

(bolding mine)
Are you for segregation, GodsLaw?

reply from: churchmouse

So let me get this straight. Penises are not exposed in a bathroom? How do you urinate without taking your penis out of your pants? I cant believe that we are even talking about this.
You humanists kill me. You have no regard for anything sacred or private.
You are bizarre, absolutely bizarre. What dont you get? You say that it is wrong to be against boys coming into girls bathrooms, and you imply that its wierd that girls who happen to share the same bodies, shower together. LMAO
But then you would also find that acceptable wouldnt you?
Amen to that one.
Girls do a few more things that require privacy that boys do. Why dont we tear down the stalls and make everyone do everything in public. So boys would be forced to watch a girl use tampons. Think that would be ok concernedparent?
You asked a good question here. This law opens a huge can of worms. The law might.....down the line force girls to shower or charge them with discrimination if they dont. Who knows.......liberal judges can do anything they want.
You cant imagine how dangerous the Hate Crimes legislation will be if it passes across the country. Free speech for Christians will end.
I will try to answer a few of your questions.

Why do you have so much hatred against me?
So you think because we want private restrooms for girls and boys, you think this is about hate?
Why do you hate girls enough to force them to share a bathroom with boys?

Why is it so wrong that I sit and urinate in a toilet stall next to another woman?
If you can use a stall, then why not go in the boys restroom? Arent their stalls in mens restrooms? Why do you insist being in a womans bathroom?
"Why would another woman be uncomfortable using the same toilets as me, when I am more female looking than most of the 'real' women who use the toilet?"
Wow. You need to cut down women to justify your use of a womans restroom? I don't care what someone looks like. If you have a penis and want to live as a woman then get it cut off and then........go into a womans bathroom. Until then, your body is different than that of a woman. It is not hard to see through the slats on a stall.
"How is anyone's privacy being interrupted when women's toilets are all separate stalls that are quite private?"
Use the stalls in the mensroom. That or get a sexchange operation. If you feel like a woman then take the steps to really be one physically.
ARe you biologically a male? You might be living as a woman, but until you go through a sex change, you are physically not a woman. And until you are physically a woman, you should not be allowed in the womans room.
"There is no urinal in the female ablutions."
Then do you stand up to urinate or sit down? Another thing.......men are pigs in the bathroom, they pee all over the seat, and down the front onto the floor.
I do not want to use a toilet that men have been using from the general population sorry. My family is one thing but the public is another.

"How is anyone's privacy being invaded when each person has their own private stall to pee/poop in? "
Then use the stalls in the mensroom. Biologically you are male.
"Why are you so offended by my existence?"
I am not. But are you male or not? You are living as a woman, but are you really a woman?
Why dont you lobby for toilets for transgender people then. Why force your views and lifestyle choice on woman that want privacy.
"You would not be able to tell me from any other woman on the street."
I dont care if you look like Pamela Anderson. IMO your a man until you take the steps to be a woman in every sense of the word. Until then, use the mens room stall.
This has nothing to do with hate. I have lesbian friends and my uncle is gay. I might not condone their lifestyle but I very much treat them like anyother person.
I am sure your a super person.
Let me ask you this.
Your a man, you just look like a woman but with your clothes on. Do you also think that girls should be forced to shower with the transexual. If you think your a woman, then you would want to shower with girls right? so girls should be forced to do this?
And like Neiszche you want to live in a world with no boundaries. No rules, no stalls, no differences between sexes.....no religion, no agenda. What feels good goes.......even if it infringes on the majority. Ever read a Brave New World?

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

So let me get this straight. Penises are not exposed in a bathroom? How do you urinate without taking your penis out of your pants? I cant believe that we are even talking about this.
You humanists kill me. You have no regard for anything sacred or private.
You are bizarre, absolutely bizarre. What dont you get? You say that it is wrong to be against boys coming into girls bathrooms, and you imply that its wierd that girls who happen to share the same bodies, shower together. LMAO
But then you would also find that acceptable wouldnt you?
Amen to that one.
Girls do a few more things that require privacy that boys do. Why dont we tear down the stalls and make everyone do everything in public. So boys would be forced to watch a girl use tampons. Think that would be ok concernedparent?
You asked a good question here. This law opens a huge can of worms. The law might.....down the line force girls to shower or charge them with discrimination if they dont. Who knows.......liberal judges can do anything they want.
You cant imagine how dangerous the Hate Crimes legislation will be if it passes across the country. Free speech for Christians will end.
I will try to answer a few of your questions.

Why do you have so much hatred against me?
So you think because we want private restrooms for girls and boys, you think this is about hate?
Why do you hate girls enough to force them to share a bathroom with boys?

Why is it so wrong that I sit and urinate in a toilet stall next to another woman?
If you can use a stall, then why not go in the boys restroom? Arent their stalls in mens restrooms? Why do you insist being in a womans bathroom?
"Why would another woman be uncomfortable using the same toilets as me, when I am more female looking than most of the 'real' women who use the toilet?"
Wow. You need to cut down women to justify your use of a womans restroom? I don't care what someone looks like. If you have a penis and want to live as a woman then get it cut off and then........go into a womans bathroom. Until then, your body is different than that of a woman. It is not hard to see through the slats on a stall.
"How is anyone's privacy being interrupted when women's toilets are all separate stalls that are quite private?"
Use the stalls in the mensroom. That or get a sexchange operation. If you feel like a woman then take the steps to really be one physically.
ARe you biologically a male? You might be living as a woman, but until you go through a sex change, you are physically not a woman. And until you are physically a woman, you should not be allowed in the womans room.
"There is no urinal in the female ablutions."
Then do you stand up to urinate or sit down? Another thing.......men are pigs in the bathroom, they pee all over the seat, and down the front onto the floor.
I do not want to use a toilet that men have been using from the general population sorry. My family is one thing but the public is another.

"How is anyone's privacy being invaded when each person has their own private stall to pee/poop in? "
Then use the stalls in the mensroom. Biologically you are male.
"Why are you so offended by my existence?"
I am not. But are you male or not? You are living as a woman, but are you really a woman?
Why dont you lobby for toilets for transgender people then. Why force your views and lifestyle choice on woman that want privacy.
"You would not be able to tell me from any other woman on the street."
I dont care if you look like Pamela Anderson. IMO your a man until you take the steps to be a woman in every sense of the word. Until then, use the mens room stall.
This has nothing to do with hate. I have lesbian friends and my uncle is gay. I might not condone their lifestyle but I very much treat them like anyother person.
I am sure your a super person.
Let me ask you this.
Your a man, you just look like a woman but with your clothes on. Do you also think that girls should be forced to shower with the transexual. If you think your a woman, then you would want to shower with girls right? so girls should be forced to do this?
And like Neiszche you want to live in a world with no boundaries. No rules, no stalls, no differences between sexes.....no religion, no agenda. What feels good goes.......even if it infringes on the majority. Ever read a Brave New World?
Thank-you for all your time and attention to these matters churchmouse; it is greatly appreciated!
This thread has disclosed some real extreme and weird positions held by concernedparent. Thanks for pointing out that you saw that. Vexing, well he or she is very unusual. Apparently, vexing is a former he and now has self-declared that he/she? is acting as a woman. Who knows what to make of such confusion. It seems neither sees those qualities (strange, extreme, weird, confusion) in themselves.

reply from: speck

(bolding mine)
Are you for segregation, GodsLaw?
I too, would really like to see this answered.......

reply from: churchmouse

IMO you are a man if you still have a penis sorry.
You obviously do not consider yourself a woman if you said this
So lets lie and decieve people? Great.
You might look feminine but underneath if you have a penis, you are a man. Surgically remove it, and replace with female parts and then you would be a woman.
I am sorry but if I was in a womans bathroom and saw that a feminine looking woman happened to have a penis, I would be ticked off let me tell you. Do you go into health spas and public gyms? Women undress and shower in these facilities. So because you feel like your female and you happen to look female but still have a penis (however small)......you think that you should just hide your maleness and decieve women in the process? So you get to hide your maleness while checking out naked females. What would prevent other guys from doing this that were not transgendered? Are they going to be discriminated against. You would have to let them in. You came in, and you still had a penis.
LIke sander said, this situation could really be abused.
Don't buy it. I think you use this as an excuse. If you wanted it that bad you'd get it.
If depends on the bathroom. Some stalls the doors are set wider and you can't help but see a bit through them.
I am not giving you money for a sex change operation and I wouldnt ask you to fund something I wanted done. If I wanted it done that bad I would find the money. You think not being able to use the womans bathroom is a death sentence? And I sentenced you?
I was honest when I said, that if you got a SRS, and you changed you should use the womans bathroom. But sorry until you do, I do not think its appropriate. Dont you have family bathrooms there. Its one room and anyone can go into it.
So you look more like a woman than real women, you are more neat and tidy than real women.......wow......such a high regard for yourself.
Women can't help using feminine things at certain times during the month. Its part of being a woman. You think you are more clean because you don't get periods? LOL
Oh you want to be a woman alright. LOL
Not with a penis you aren't, not IMO anyway. It's the one thing I really really like on men. It certainly helps define their sexuality. I give the penis more than 5%. To me its worth about 99%. LOL
I knew it would eventually come out. Sorta manly isnt it? And boy you have a wild imagination. And what are you wishing on me? Oh your a kind one arent ya.
I never wished anything violent on you. You are playing the victim here and you arent a victim. If you have a penis, I dont care if you have a string bikini on, you are a male. Get a sex change and then you will be a woman.
I would be ticked off if someone decieved me about what sex they really were.
Cry me a river why dont cha. Geeze. I am honest and if you dont like it to bad. I said that if you get a sex change then you should be allowed in. If not, you dont have the right.
And you obviously do NOT CARE FOR WOMAN THAT JUST MIGHT OPPOSE YOU COMING IN. You want me to tolerate you but you have no intention of caring about the feelings of others. You simply show here you dont care. You show no compassion whatsoever about others feelings. Its all about you and what you think is right.
But we are talking about equality here and the fact that in your eyes you are 95% woman. So why would showering be out of the question?
I have nothing against you as a person, nothing at all. I just do not consider you a female if you still have a penis. I hope you find the money and can change if that is what you want to do.
But please respect others opinions, even if they differ from yours.

reply from: sander

Does one bit of this long, drawn out discussion on the male and female anatomy have a single thing to do with abortion on demand?
I guess the least we can be greatful for is vexing can never get pregnant and won't join her/his (sorry, I don't know what you are) female lovers of abortion and participate in that little death festivity.
This board has veered off in odd directions before, but this one takes the cake! Enough all ready, what do you think? I'd like to see this board get back on track and stay there, I hope others will agree.
This has been like reading a script for the worse soap opera in the history of mankind! I kept hoping somewhere in here there would be a word or two about the babies that are being killed to the tune of 4,000 per day.

reply from: yoda

As long as posters here keep on responding to the intentionally disruptive and distracting statements on subjects such as this, the forum will not function for the benefit of unborn children. The iggy button is the baby's best friend for such situations.

reply from: LolitaOlivia

(bolding mine)
Are you for segregation, GodsLaw?
I too, would really like to see this answered.......
I'm betting he is reluctant to share his views on Christian theories regarding "the mark of Cain." Some of them think it is dark skin, including everyone who is not caucasion. I would be interested in hearing a clarification regarding this comment as well.
Yes, I had to resort to the Faithman technique of reposting it to get a response. If he's not in favor of segregation, why did he mention it? I'm genuinely curious if he's racist, and if he is than why is it okay for him to be racist, but not Margaret Sanger, who lived in a time where that sort of thing was more acceptable.

reply from: churchmouse

Then why try to cover your manliness, if a penis means nothing? Just explain to the women in the locker room your more woman than they are. Oh I'd love to see the scene that might follow your statement.
Why hide your penis anywhere if it does not make you a man.
You said yourself you look like a woman. So why would someone ask. You still are decieving them. Get the sex change operation if you want to really live like a woman.
Here we go........the namecalling starts.
Can't make your point well enough, so you feel you have to namecall.
And there is nothing you can do about your maleness until the penis is gone.
For you a male to make the comment that no female is as female as you are... is ridiculous.
LMAO Yea, ya think?
I'm not even gonna comment on this one.
Having a period is just one part of womanhood. In order for a woman to have a baby she needs to menstruate. It is the one thing a woman can do that A MAN CAN NOT DO.
Because I simply feel that you should not be allowed in a womans restroom, I am wishing violence on you? Get a life.
That is ridiculous.
I dont blame you.
Why should I repect your opinion first? You are the one that wants to invade my space. Men are not allowed in public toilets and showers. IMO you are not there yet.
We are not just talking about toilets here. Topic is showering as well.
Sander you are right, it has gone on long enough. But this thread is about the law in Colorado that might make coed showers a reality and had nothing to do with abortion really. Vexing appeared and defended the law......and here we are. Bt you are right.
Maybe the topic is not appropriate for this site, if every subject is supposed to be about abortion and pro-life issues.
I think I will just leave the thread altogether.
Thanks.

reply from: speck

ChurchMouse,
I am unsure how things are where Vexing is from, but from my neck of the woods, are you aware that Doctor's and Psychologist, will NOT allow you to have ANY surgery, for a trans gendered individual, until they live as the desired sex for at LEAST 2 years?
Are you aware that this also means using the washrooms? you are to use the one as the sex you are to change to.
You say to just go and get surgery, as if it's so easy. Surgery is not allowed, until the individual FULLY (as in society roles) lives as the sex that is being changed to.
So at least, for my neck of the woods, an operation is impossible, until the individual does things like using using public washrooms, going to work, shopping etc, as the desired sex.

reply from: speck

(bolding mine)
Are you for segregation, GodsLaw?
I guess the silence speaks volumes........

reply from: LolitaOlivia

(bolding mine)
Are you for segregation, GodsLaw?
I guess the silence speaks volumes........
Yeah. I think I may have to pm him with this one. I mean, this isn't a case of him not responding to just a normal debate question. He said something really racist, and I'd to hear him explain himself. If he doesn't answer soon I may, as much as I hate when others do it, start a special thread for him to own up to it. I'd like to see him admit that he thinks black people and white people should be segregated from each other.

reply from: churchmouse

You know this is going nowhere and I agree with those that say this has nothing to do with the unborn.
I am going to take their advice and stop concentrating on vaginas and penises.
LOL
I wish you well vexing and hope you get what you want.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

(bolding mine)
Are you for segregation, GodsLaw?
I guess the silence speaks volumes........
Yeah. I think I may have to pm him with this one. I mean, this isn't a case of him not responding to just a normal debate question. He said something really racist, and I'd to hear him explain himself. If he doesn't answer soon I may, as much as I hate when others do it, start a special thread for him to own up to it. I'd like to see him admit that he thinks black people and white people should be segregated from each other.
I said something rascist? What in the blankity-blankity are you talking about? What in the blue blazes is the mark of Cain? He is dead and none of his descendants remain (some big flood deal). What are you guys imagining? Why all these false accusation arising? I am really happy that black men and women are treated as real people. Dark skinned people deserve to drink from the same fountain as anybody else (both figuratively 'Christ' and literally 'natural water'). Those are real and valid issues. In contrast, I was saying polticians or judges would say that those choosing an alternate gender entitles a man to use the women's restroom using the same reasoning a black man is entitled to a water fountain. A man trying to make the claim that they are entitled to a woman's restroom on the same basis as a black man being entitled to drink from a "whites only" fountain is absurd. One issue is valid, the pretending to be another gender isn't.
Vexing; You told a poster to "Go ***** yourself with something rusty and pointed."
Vexing, you are a dangerous pyschopath. You have the capability of hurting someone. Your mind is not right.
Concernedparent; aren't you concerned about the company you are siding with? Vexing is a bona-fide dangerous person. Your technique of sticking with a losing position and never giving a clue that you are in error is shocking.

reply from: galen

Well actually, it may be possible soon. Stem cell research could enable the growth of the correct organs for me to reproduce.
I'd be physiologically identical to a natal woman - periods and all.
-------------------------------
sorry kiddo... your genetic encoding will still be XY... there for no way for you to gestate or ovulate etc... the drugs you would have to take not to reject would keep you from having a pregnancy..sorry.
i for one have no problem with you being in my washroom or sauna etc... as long as you act like a lady and can put up with ME.
I'm with CP on this... i tend NOT to go around inspecting other women's anatomy while they are dressing etc... my mind is on other things. BTW i think they probably fear lesbians too but you know how it goes.... they must not have a lot of self assurance in thier own skin if this thing bothers them this much.
personaly i think your views on most things are sucky vexing...but on this one issue i agree with you.

reply from: joe

In past disputes you have said that you have your partner use condemns, while you are on birth control to make sure you do not get pregnant. Now you are saying you were/are a man...something does not add up.
This seems like a deliberate disruption.

reply from: 4given

Galen, the thread was about transsexuals in the bathrooms of children.. granted the said individual would have to be TS themselves.. My sole issue is that my young sons will be potentially subjected to odd and immoral behavior. Does this bill mean that the janitor at my lads elementary school can use the boys/girls room dependant on their own whim? This is the issue. If vexing wants to hide her bits, I am thankful for that.. I know as a parent I can only do so much to protect my young- given that they are in elementary school, I would hope that those that I entrust to educate them would also do the same.

reply from: joe

A person who thinks animals are worth more than humans, the Holocaust is justified since it is legal and the slaughter of the unborn is acceptable is judging?
Trust me Vexing, if you ever truly praised me I would know something is wrong with my principles.

reply from: joe

One who couldn't defend his "subjective truth" takes a cheap shot. Concernedparent, I really expected more from you.

reply from: galen

Actually, I'm XXY.
Stem cell research could provide ovaries and a uterus - that has the same DNA as the rest of my body.
FYI, anti-rejection drugs do not affect the fetus. Have a look on some medical sites.
Synthetic genetic stitching (which has recently become possible) could pull off the redundant Y.
Sure. It would defeat the whole purpose of my transition to act male.
Yup. When I'm in the bathroom, my mind is on one thing - emptying my bladder.
*Shrug* cool.
---------------------
actually i am a doctor now... PHd... and a nurse... genetics is kinda my hobby.. so far what you are supposing about stitching is still theoretical.. no practicle apps...
Also the drugs that you have to use for the stem cells to be harvested are not meant for germ cells... ie the ones you would use for ovaries... so again.. right now its just not only not possible... DNA being what it is... its improbable.
why not just adopt?

reply from: galen

It's been done, by that leading genetics guy (I forget his name).
The apps are multifarious; turning ordinary microbes into ones that produce biofuel, as one example.
[
I am planning on adopting; I simply was pointing out that it may one day be possible for people born as natal men to become identical to natal females.
---------------------------
ah ... i see....
the stitching has not been reported in any of the medical journals as one for people or animals and as far as i know no one has reported or replicated any experiments...therefor theoretical.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Then it's a question finite resources being used to create a finite number of artificial habitats.
Even the continued existence of a finite number of organisms keeps those species in existence.
I was a big Star Trek fan. Now that I look back I see it was a really corny and fake show.
However, the reality is that I believe men shall inherit the universe and will have the technology to control the elements and bring life to the entire universe. The technology will be available to make a spiritual body (energy that doesn't break down) as opposed to physical bodies (matter is made of energy that breaks down). I believe God is already good at making backup copies, long before the computer geeks. I believe this is the inheritance we all look forward to.
God says he owns everything. He says he made it for His purposes. The rebels who don't toe the line (walk the straight and narrow) will not receive an inheritance. They will serve as fertilizer. I tell people they must follow the instruction manual and use as designed and intended. Using important elements of the solid waste removal system as replacement parts for the reproductive system is not using the product as designed or intended.
There is no rest for the wicked. (God's Government is a rest as opposed to the work of man's governments). We look for the Government, that is what we pray for, that is our inheritance. In fact, the Bible says the Gospel (Good News) is the Kingdom (Government) of God. It's coming to replace man's governments, that's the good news! What a bunch of perverse bs man is involved in now. Like Solomon said, it is an evil work being done under the sun. Sodomy is a perverse practice. Leaders like Mao, Stalin, Hitler are perverse.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Even the continued existence of a finite number of organisms keeps those species in existence.
Huh? What's that got to do with constructing habitats out of finite resources?
People are producers. They perform work to create usuable creations out of random unorganized energy. The whole universe will not go to pot under the management of the sons of God. The Bible says the whole creation currently is subject to decay but groans in expectation of the sons of God. When the sons of God take up the rod and begin to rule it is prophesied that the whole creation will be liberated from it's bondage to decay. Life shall flourish and expand. These prophecies are in the New Testament.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

The ultimate force of Entropy, the Black Hole, destroys this equilibrium by removing matter from the equation.
And when very large stars collapse, they form Black Holes, removing the bulk of the matter comprising them - so it can't be recycled.
Black hole + white hole = worm hole....matter does not cease to exist, but is rather either altered, relocated, or both.
The Bible says you can be given authority to manage the whole universe; black holes, white holes, worm holes, etc. Right now you have been given responsibility over a very liitle. But if you are faithful in your management of the little, God will put you in authority over great responsibilities (planets, stars, living creatures, etc.).
Hey, I'm more into exploring the whole universe than the starship Enterprise was.

reply from: Teresa18

This thread is near vomit inducing. I read it without being logged in, so I see Vexing has once again graced us with her prescence, except I now find out that she is a he that wishes he was born a she. Now I'm logged in, so I can no longer see the posts.
There are separate bathrroms/lockerrooms for the genders for decency and morality. God made each of us either male or female. For whatever reason, one may wish that we were born into the opposite gender, but one can't reality. One can act like the opposite sex, dress like the opposite sex, pump oneself full of testosterone/estrogen, and mutilate one's genitals to look like the opposite sex. That won't make one the opposite sex. There is no way to change the chromosone combination one has. Therefore, one should use the proper facility for the sex one actually is. This used to be common sense, but secular humanists have run amok in this society, and they call us "intolerant" or "bigoted" or "homophobic" if we object to them tearing down Judeo-Christian moral standards.
This law opens up the possibility of rape as men can pretend to be women to enter the womens' bathroom. They can then rape a woman who enters.
I will say I am ok with having a family bathroom or a private bathroom/lockerroom open to both genders. This facility would make it easier for parents with children.

reply from: Teresa18

GodsLaw4Us2Live, I have a question for you. What did you mean when you spoke of separate water fountains, bathrooms, etc. for whites and blacks? I am confused as to whether you agreed with that policy or not?

reply from: Teresa18

You sure didn't get much out of reading this thread. He addressed that, and I addressed your other concern about the bill opening the door to both sexes showering together or sharing restrooms. It just ain't so.
I read the opening post and skimmed the thread. This forum has been so active that I haven't had time to read everything like I used to.
I apologize, GodsLaw4Us2Live. I went back and read your response. I understand what you were saying.

reply from: cracrat

I am impressed the way you manage to shoehorn your homophobia into pretty much every post you make. For example this discussion was about the ultimate fate of humanity yet you still found time for a little gay-bashing. What a despicable heart you have.

reply from: cracrat

The laws of physics fall to pieces at the quantum level. We don't even understand the quantum level yet.
Black Holes are a quantum phenomenon, where the actual singularity is concerned.
Black holes were actually the first example of classical physics being successfully united with quantum physics. Stephen Hawking did it in 1974, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation for an explanation.

reply from: cracrat

Well, show me where it goes then.
Point to a map of the galaxy and show me where this Black Hole matter (which is trapped for a virtually infinite amount of time before hitting the singularity) come out.
Where is it going? How it is happening?
Black holes emit particles. See the link I posted before for explanation of that too.

reply from: cracrat

Life on Earth has survived far greater threats than humanity. This is my principle annoyance with the green movement. They're all "Save the planet, the planet needs our help, etc." Absolutely rubbish. The planet was doing fine before we got here and it'll continue to do fine once we've all killed ourselves in some nuclear armageddon or something. What we are actually trying to save is our capacity to live on this planet with some semblance of quality of life. Quite why these people don't appeal to human selfishness (which is a far stronger force than human altruism) is beyond me.

reply from: cracrat

Very, very tiny amounts in comparisonto what they guzzle.
I believe it's mostly a type of radiation, not matter.
I did several projects on singularities and I'm a bit of an amateur astronomer, but my Black Hole 'lore' is rather rusty.
Nor am I impressed by 'wikisperts' anymore. Everyone is one on the net.
I prefer taught knowledge on scientific subjects.
I have a first class masters degree in chemistry and am studying for my doctorate. My understanding of science is not what you'd call too shabby.

reply from: cracrat

Perhaps there are no viable solutions.
My co-worker often comments 'we are doomed, no matter what'.
I'm inclined to agree with him.
Especially when you consider phenomenon like the WR104 spiral system where the Wolf-Rayet star is a supernova waiting to happen - and it's polar axis points directly at our inner solar system.
You must be such a cheery person to have round for dinner....

reply from: cracrat

Do you talk about the imminent destruction of our ecosystem at dinner?
I prefer to eat, drink and be merry.
We discuss many things over dinner. The state of the world and what we should do about it comes up from time to time.

reply from: cracrat

The more one studies the sciences, the more one realises how intimately linked they all are. The artificially imposed boundaries of physics, chemistry, biology, geology, astronomy, etc. are suitable only at school. My fascination with the way the world works extends far beyond what I do in my lab and as such I take advantage of as many opportunities as I can to further my understanding. Astrophysics is just one such area I've been able to explore at uni.

reply from: kd78

i'm going to point out that there is a difference between a predator and one who's bisexual or transgendered or a cross dresser. a predator can be any orientation or gender. it's about power, not sex. a bisexual is one who is attracted to both genders- so a bisexual male would use the mens room. female would use the ladies room. a transgender person is one born with the biological parts of one gender but whose wiring in the brain says they are the opposite gender. it's been said that the external and internal sex organs are in place long before the hormones that indicate gender are. so it means for example a boy on the outside who feels like a girl inside. a cross dresser (drag king or queen) is someone who dresses in the clothing of the opposite gender. s/he might be gay, straight, bi or transgender. but a cross dresser usually just uses the restroom of their regular gender. most of them don't dress up all the time and only do so for fun or shows and events. but many have 9-5 jobs and dress as just an average person. so a man who cross dresses on weekends still wears a suit to work. and a homosexual male ain't gonna be into the girls!
that aside, it is a stupid thing to go into legislation. locker room and restroom facilities should be seperated in general. there are family locker rooms in some areas and gender neutral areas as well. but that there which you are talking about just seems dumb

reply from: kd78

oh wait, this is school? ummm no boys and girls after like kindergarten should use separate facilities. if they do have to use the same locker room, it should not be at the same time. like boys change first, then girls or vice versa. and most trandsgendered people don't have surgery before a certain age (like over 18 or 21) and therefore little suzy (born jimmy though) would not be seeking out the tampon machine in the boys room. if they are using the stalls, no one sees what they are doing anyways.
my dude and i plan on homeschooling because we're just not into the public schools, not because we don't like queers. i happen to be bi. *waits for backlash and scriptures thrown at me* i chased boys and kissed girls in grade school, but had no concept of sexual orientation then. it was fun to me. the only thing i knew was that bi meant you liked girls and boys and gay meant you liked boys. didn't know what lesbian was then. a lot of bisexuals only date one gender but still have feelings for both, but it feels safer to stick with one. so a lot of bi girls only date guys but are still very attracted to females.
but exactly what does orientation have to do with the stupid locker room policy? are y'all just afraid of cooties from the queers or something? "on nooos! that homo bumped my kid! good lawd my child's gone be a faggot!" puhleeze!

reply from: NoelleNostalgia

I think it has to do with the few here who use the bible as an excuse to hate everything aside from themselves being unable to separate sexuality from gender.
Any person of any mix of physical and emotional gender can be of any sexual orientation. I was very close with a transgendered male back in my college days. He was always more interested in boys than me, so that he was indeed, technically gay, yet many other transexuals are heterosexual, I'd guess that there are probably more heterosexual than homosexuals transgendered people.

reply from: sander

Here's two.
And that's the last one, it only feeds the ego.....

reply from: yoda

Here's three....... say I wonder why she isn't afraid of Fartnomore this time? Didn't he tell us that he "drove her away"?

reply from: galen

here's 4 ....
i missed that one...must have happened while i was with the surgeon.

reply from: galen

because in RL churchmouse is a bit of a coward... and one of those sow purse bullies.

reply from: ProInformed

I was in a ladies' room recently when an adult male and three little boys came in. I (nicely) informed them that they were it the wrong restroom, they were embarrassed, and left. So if this took place in Colorado, and they purposely came into the woman's restroom, I could have been fined $5000?!?
The bathrooms on the floor my daughter stays in when away at college are supposed to be for females only (the males have their own on their floor). But another female college student gave her boyfriend the combination to the locekd door so he could use that bathroom too. My daughter reported it but nothing was done about it... maybe they just thought my daughter was being 'homophobic' even though the guy had a girlfriend? And if she went to college in Colorado she'd have been fined for reporting what to her was scary and offensive (NOT because she's 'homophobic' but because she didn't know if he was an inruder intent on raping or killing her AND because unlike SOME college girls she's modest and doesn't normally parade around guys wrapped only in a towel).
Now on the other hand when I was an assistant manager at an all-female health club that had a problem with lesbians agressively 'coming onto' members and openly and obviously ogling them while changing and showering, the manager told us there was nothing we could do about it (the health club was in Colorado...hmmm) I was wondering why if these lesbians were so sure that they were really males trapped in a female body, they weren't demanding to use the men's rooms and all-male health clubs instead. I mean this woman's health club was the most sissified and obviously girly health club you could imagine. Really why would a lesbian even want to go there (besides the fact that it gave them the opoprtunity to ogle and harras naked straight women)? Why didn't they go to a more masculine workout center with those big free weights and heavy-duty machines instead of this dainty place with chandeliers, victorian furniture, and dance aerobics? It was pretty obvious they wanted to be at the all-woman facility... for pretty obvious reasons.
Why aren't they asking for their own homosexual restrooms so that NOBODY will feel endangered or uncomfortable? hmm.... Letting males into female facilities and vice versa is a violation of the right to privacy of the nonhomosexuals. And you'd have to be a moron to not realize that nonhomosexual males WILL use that as an excuse to go in too. How do they plan to ensure that all the males who go into the women's bathrooms and dressing rooms are there because they are homosexual?
And what's next? I HAVE TO invite homosexuals to my tupperware party or I'm homophobic by not letting him do girly things with me?
And what about the gay guys who still want to go into the men's rooms, and the lesbians who want to go into the women's room, so they can ogle and harrass? Are they going to finally do something to stop that?
I say give the homosexuals their own bathrooms.
THAT is a solution that would make everyone feel safe right?
I don't want my daughters to be subjected to the embarrassment, harrassment, AND DANGER of having lesbians or males sharing what is SUPPOSED TO BE a gender-restricted private area with them.

reply from: churchmouse

This is just one of the reasons.........that made me leave this thread. I do not have to take your crap. I do not need to waste my time on someone that feels they have to namecall to make a point. It's not worth it to me.
You want me to embrace and accept your situation, and I am not going to do that. I cant accept something that I feel does not deserve to be embraced. If you think you are a woman then no one can stop you. But in my opinion, you are still biologically a male.
It is NOT my responsibility to find you money for your sex change operation. It is your responsiblity. You cant blame anyone else for your situation. If you want it...save the money.
You are a very selfish person, all wrapped up in yourself. You dont care about anyone else as long as you feel good. People like you laugh at laws and do what you want, even breaking them. You do NOT CARE WHO YOU MIGHT HURT just as long as you get what you want.
You are so into yourself you can't make logical conversation. These insinuations prove it.
You are more woman then anyone woman on this board.
You are cleaner than other woman because you dont ahe a period.
Most men would prefer you (even with your penis) than having a real woman.
I wished violence on you.
I do not need to take this. I do not wish violence on anyone, including you. But you like to play the poor victim in all this.
Talk to me with civility and I would be happen to discuss and answer questions. But until you grow up.... forget it.
But it was yoda statement that really sunk in. He made an excellent point when he said this.....
We are here to stand up for the unborn. This topic has nothing to do with that goal.

This was then and will be my final post on the subject of TS. I said.......

reply from: carolemarie

Blah, blah, blah.
Dodge, weave and evade.
Answer the question about miraculously 'finding' $20,000.
If people really need $20,000, they will 'find' it, correct?
Then why are there so many people desperate for money for all sorts of things who can't 'find' it.
You tell the starving in third world countries that if they really wanted food for their family, they would 'find' it.
Vexing, I think she was referring to your situtation. If you want the operation, then you will work two jobs and save money if you need to. It is a matter of working for what you want. If it is your priority, then you will do what you need to make it happen. You don't live in a third world country and you are not starving and trying to feed a family. Two different situtations. You can work and save that money, they have no way to do so.

reply from: faithman

Do you have any conception of how hard it is for transsexual women to get ONE job, let alone two? I'm very lucky I have the reasonably well paying job I currently have.
The statistics work out be this: 90% of full-time transsexual women in NZ are unemployed or sex-workers (which they find quite easy to make money from, as there is a big market of 'Johns' that want to screw transsexual women).
Are you suggesting that I become a whore?
Because that's the only realistic option of a second job.
Never mind the fact that I barely hold it together in my current job on some days, due to emotional turmoil caused by the hormones in my system and the stigma of being a transsexual. I'm employed full time already and often work late hours (from 8am until 8pm last tuesday) so I don't have a schedule that supports a second job, even if I found one.
Unless of course, I want to be groped and f**ked up the anus by complete strangers in my weekends, just for some extra cash.
I wish you ignorant, sheltered conservatives would THINK before you make these ridiculous suggestions.
Whore sounds good. At least you wouldn't have time to bore us with your constant dumb posts. And now you are saying degusting things about stuff you have deffended in the past. And insted of up the anus, try the other end. It will help keep your foul mouth shut.

reply from: galen

vexing i do sympathise with your situation .
I do think that you are right on your mark when you educate others about TS... more people need to understand what it is vs the other types of sexuality....
I had to do a bit of education when we had a TS woman who volunteered nights for us... many people were appalled that she didn't dress like a guy and work the 'mens' hours..
The funny thing is no one realised that she was a male ( in body) untill someone pointed out her adam's apple... then it spread like wildfire..
I remember her anguish at mass and her very true grit in standing up for her rights...
i applaud your efforts.
now if you would only agree with me about abortion...
oh well... i still consider you a great person with that one exception.

reply from: galen

Do you have any conception of how hard it is for transsexual women to get ONE job, let alone two? I'm very lucky I have the reasonably well paying job I currently have.
The statistics work out be this: 90% of full-time transsexual women in NZ are unemployed or sex-workers (which they find quite easy to make money from, as there is a big market of 'Johns' that want to screw transsexual women).
Are you suggesting that I become a whore?
Because that's the only realistic option of a second job.
Never mind the fact that I barely hold it together in my current job on some days, due to emotional turmoil caused by the hormones in my system and the stigma of being a transsexual. I'm employed full time already and often work late hours (from 8am until 8pm last tuesday) so I don't have a schedule that supports a second job, even if I found one.
Unless of course, I want to be groped and f**ked up the anus by complete strangers in my weekends, just for some extra cash.
I wish you ignorant, sheltered conservatives would THINK before you make these ridiculous suggestions.
Whore sounds good. At least you wouldn't have time to bore us with your constant dumb posts. And now you are saying degusting things about stuff you have deffended in the past. And insted of up the anus, try the other end. It will help keep your foul mouth shut.
________________________________________________
FM i have heard smarted things from dead mouldy rabbits...

reply from: faithman

Sorry Faithmanic, even if I did actually enter the sex industry, I wouldn't have sex with you. Keep dreaming.
No worries mate. I have a wife, and we like each other just fine. I do not need your sick perverted world to enjoy my sexuality. I like my penis just fine, and so does my wife. I have no intention of cutting it off, or having sex with someone who has or had one. I don't have to worry about catching your sick diseases either.

reply from: galen

yes they clash... and why not choose the lesser of the 2 evils... and possibly turn what is percievd to be a bad thing ( the pregnancy) into a good thing... a life
even if you think you are loosing 9 months.. most of the time those things you miss can be replaced. once something is dead you can not take it back.
Kinda like your SRS.. they make people wait and live as their mental sex so that they can be sure of the feelings they have before preforming an irrivocable act.
why not wait untill the child is born.. then decide if you want it or not... if no adopt it out.. if yes keep it. But don't kill that unique and irriplaceable being.

reply from: faithman

You seem rather fascinated with 'my world'
Not at all. You just make it nessisary for my to respond to it by trying to make it exceptable. Perversion is nonsence, a mental sickness, and needs to be apposed. Now if you had said disgusted....

reply from: galen

love is never perverted... rutting is perverted...
sex for love is good... rutting for sex is perverted...
did i get it right?
i have to wonder what FM would say about me and my husband.....* shrug*

reply from: galen

i agree...its always a choice to kill or not... the problem is do you have reprocussions for those who do?
yes there is the mental part... but to have a law that allows you to kill what in 9 mo you can not, it perverse.
it makes no sense and that life lost is lost forever...
i certainly can and do tell husbands not to kill their wives and children... and i will continue to do so. someone MUST help deterr people from their base motives... fear being one and greed or selfishness another.
Moral superiority or not i feel it is our duty as humans to uphold the sanctity of life, in whatever form it presents to us.

reply from: galen

if they have artificiall wombs couldn't the courts decide to put the fetus up for adoption? if the teenager does not want it i'm sure someone will.

reply from: jujujellybean

I wonder who he is refering to.....LOL!.......

reply from: faithman

lol - surely you don't believe that - that having sex with women will mean you cannot catch diseases!?
I think he believes that transsexualism is catching.
LOL!
No, just the diseases caught by sleeping around like alley cats. You can take only so many pricks up the bum before aids sets in.

reply from: carolemarie

Do you have any conception of how hard it is for transsexual women to get ONE job, let alone two? I'm very lucky I have the reasonably well paying job I currently have.
The statistics work out be this: 90% of full-time transsexual women in NZ are unemployed or sex-workers (which they find quite easy to make money from, as there is a big market of 'Johns' that want to screw transsexual women).
Are you suggesting that I become a whore?
Because that's the only realistic option of a second job.
Never mind the fact that I barely hold it together in my current job on some days, due to emotional turmoil caused by the hormones in my system and the stigma of being a transsexual. I'm employed full time already and often work late hours (from 8am until 8pm last tuesday) so I don't have a schedule that supports a second job, even if I found one.
Unless of course, I want to be groped and f**ked up the anus by complete strangers in my weekends, just for some extra cash.
I wish you ignorant, sheltered conservatives would THINK before you make these ridiculous suggestions.
Life isn't easy for anyone Vexing. And if you want something you find a way to do it. You can try a home based business to earn the extra money. It adds up fast when you are working toward a goal. There are positive steps you can take to earn the money you want. But yes, it will take time and effort to do so.
Nobody will ever just give you the money. And I am not suggesting you be a whore.

reply from: yoda

I think you AND she are working your butts off to disrupt this forum and keep us from discussing the killing of 3,000 babies a day in this country.... and doing a fair job of it, too.

reply from: faithman

Ummm.... what makes you think Vexxing isn't already working her but off to achieve that goal?
What they don't realise is that transitioning from male to female costs a crapload of money. It's a whole new wardrobe for starters, which is something people take for granted, since they have an existing wardrobe of clothes that they just add to.
Starting from scratch is not cheap.
Underwear (with breasts that are constantly growing...us girls all know how expensive bras are), shoes, makeup, jewelry, professional clothing for work (very pricey when you're working in a corporate type environment), perfume, purse(s), haircuts and colours, new glasses, new skin products (skin changes a lot on hormones), stockings, pantyhose, new shower products, etc, etc.
That's not even factoring in the costs of doctor's visits, my medications, counseling and my appetite going crazy, meaning my grocery bills are almost twice what they used to be.
I'm on the verge of recovering from the initial expenditure I needed to get started living as a woman. And discovering new expenses all the time, like getting boots re-heeled and getting a new birth cerificate, driver's license and passport.
Again, people don't THINK!
They seem to assume that the magical tranny goblin furnishes us with our name change, clothes, shoes, etc.
BOO HOOO. The little pecker whacker gotta buy new clothes

reply from: faithman

I knew you wouldn't understand; all they require you to wear is a diaper and that white coat with the really long sleeves.
I understand oerfectly. You want to mutilate yourself, and you want others to pay for it.

reply from: faithman

I knew you wouldn't understand; all they require you to wear is a diaper and that white coat with the really long sleeves.
I understand oerfectly. You want to mutilate yourself, and you want others to pay for it.
It's my body and what I do with it is my concern.
Where are you getting the idea I want others to pay for it?
I'm quite happy to; if my saving plan pans out, I should be able to get it in 4 years.
It was one of the others in this thread insisting that I should get it immediately - that I'd just 'find' $20,000 instantly.
Still say a pocket knife is much cheaper.

reply from: faithman

Why so fancy? just slash, and leave a gash. Whats the big woop?

reply from: faithman

A bit more involved than 'slash and leave a gash'.
The wound would heal over without an internal vaginal wall, rendering he patient no urinal opening. The blood loss would also kill the patient.
Well, so we might have to add a cordless drill with paddle bit. Not to big. Leave it tight for your customers.

reply from: faithman

You certainly know how to temp one. But I will let that one pass, no matter how much fun it would be to smack it out of the park.

reply from: galen

i agree with vexing... FM your obession with her genetalia is almost as pathological as Godslaw's obsession w/ anal sex... why is that...i usually like creepy...but this obsession... whew..

reply from: faithman

Temp? Huh?
Sorry. Bad key board. Tempt

reply from: carolemarie

I apparetnly missed that part. I thought you had no plan or way to ever get the money up you needed, that's why I was trying to encourage you with the second job. Then since you have a plan...nevermind.
I am sure the whole thing is difficult and complicated....

reply from: faithman

I think it was Churchmouse; she demanded that I have surgery before I be allowed to use female restrooms.
I protested, saying that I don't have the money to do that yet (not to mention the 2 year rule, where you have to live as a woman for that time period before you can have surgery).
She said that if I wanted it that bad, I'd 'find' the money (ignoring the time restriction, of course).
So I'm saving what I can and getting my finances sorted out, while trying to maintain a happy, healthy lifestyle, since things get pretty emotionally rocky sometimes, due to the hormone therapy.
Maybe you can get CM to help. She is an ole hand at having things whacked up. I think three womb children at last count.

reply from: faithman

Temp? Huh?
Please stop "temping" our troll. He's already fantasizing about "smacking it out of the park." (I think he might be equally willing to "smack" it in the park as well, but it might bring back memories of a friendly old man in a trench coat giving away lollipops...)
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

reply from: carolemarie

I think it was Churchmouse; she demanded that I have surgery before I be allowed to use female restrooms.
I protested, saying that I don't have the money to do that yet (not to mention the 2 year rule, where you have to live as a woman for that time period before you can have surgery).
She said that if I wanted it that bad, I'd 'find' the money (ignoring the time restriction, of course).
So I'm saving what I can and getting my finances sorted out, while trying to maintain a happy, healthy lifestyle, since things get pretty emotionally rocky sometimes, due to the hormone therapy.
If your dressed as a chick, I guess you should use the womans bathroom. We have stalls and doors....It would be upsetting to the guys to see a woman emerge from the stalls....

reply from: faithman

I think it was Churchmouse; she demanded that I have surgery before I be allowed to use female restrooms.
I protested, saying that I don't have the money to do that yet (not to mention the 2 year rule, where you have to live as a woman for that time period before you can have surgery).
She said that if I wanted it that bad, I'd 'find' the money (ignoring the time restriction, of course).
So I'm saving what I can and getting my finances sorted out, while trying to maintain a happy, healthy lifestyle, since things get pretty emotionally rocky sometimes, due to the hormone therapy.
If your dressed as a chick, I guess you should use the womans bathroom. We have stalls and doors....It would be upsetting to the guys to see a woman emerge from the stalls....
Which room does a baby killer use?

reply from: faithman

Thank you.
Someone who can see reason.
Baby killers agree. big suprise there!!!

reply from: faithman

Thank you.
Someone who can see reason.
Baby killers agree. big suprise there!!!
Let us know when you're going to contribute something relevant.
Probly about the same time you do.

reply from: faithman

Probly? What's that? A kind of sandwich bread?
Nope, just Texican. Most folks are smart enough figure out what I mean.

reply from: faithman

Most folks are smart enough to use the English language above the level of a 4th grader.
Unlike yourself.
Actually I read and write at a 13th grade level. At least that is what the tests say. I never spelled very well, and always kept a dictionary with me in school. This site does not have spell checker, so I mis spell sometimes. So what?

reply from: KaylieBee

If you had firefox you wouldn't have to worry about that.
At least I think it's firefox that has this spell check. That or the google toolbar.

reply from: faithman

My bad spelling is my way of casting the bortheads a bone. Gives em something to talk about without lying.

reply from: KaylieBee

Only Jews don't use FireFox, FaithMan.
You don't want anyone to think you're a Jew, do you?

reply from: faithman

Don't really care one way or the other.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

This is a WorldNetDaily printer-friendly version of the article which follows.
To view this item online, visit http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=67799

Saturday, June 28, 2008
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
PLAY IT AGAIN, SAM
Go ahead: Arrest me
Exclusive: Janet Folger plans to test law muzzling any criticism of homosexuality
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: June 24, 2008
1:00 am Eastern
By Janet Folger
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Censorship. Book burning. The Criminalization of Christianity. It's here and it's now the law in the state of Colorado.
The Ku Klux Klan can march. The Nazis can hand out brochures. Skinheads can do whatever it is that Skinheads do. But in the state of Colorado, the only group who is NOT allowed to be heard is ... the Christians. They're the ones who disagree with same-sex marriage, cohabitation, and believe the biblical view that homosexuality is a sin. But if they voice that objection from now on, it had better be inside the four walls of a church. If not, they'll be staring at the four walls of a prison cell ... for up to a year.
No kidding.
Tobin Kerns was planning his own Columbine-like mass murder. But they caught him and convicted him of conspiracy to commit murder and threatening to use deadly weapons in 2006, sentencing him to a whopping ... 10 months.
(Column continues below)
Plan a Columbine-like mass murder and you'll do 10 months in jail. Say homosexual "marriage" is a sin (in a state where same-sex marriage is illegal), and you'll be doing a year behind bars.
You see, Colorado Gov. Bill Ritter signed into law SB 200 and turned public restrooms and locker rooms into a predator paradise where men can enter (and shower in) any female public facility in the state. You'd think that would be as bad as it gets - but wait: Section 8 of that same bill claims to trump the First Amendment:
Section 8. 24-34-701. Publishing of discriminative matter forbidden. No person, being the owner, lessee, proprietor, manager, superintendent, agent, or employee of any place of public accommodation ... shall publish, issue, circulate, send, distribute, give away, or display in any way, manner, or shape or by any means or method, except as provided in this section, any communication, paper, poster, folder, manuscript, book, pamphlet, writing, print, letter, notice, or advertisement of any kind, nature, or description that is intended or calculated to discriminate or actually discriminates against ... SEXUAL ORIENTATION, marital status ... in the matter of furnishing or neglecting or refusing to furnish to them or any one of them any lodging, housing, schooling, or tuition or any accommodation, right [marriage], privilege [adoption], advantage, or convenience ... on account of ... SEXUAL ORIENTATION, marital status ... [which] is unwelcome or objectionable or not acceptable, desired, or solicited.
Forget the public library display of "banned books week" - its "banned books week" all year round in the entire state of Colorado - if those books, paper, posters, folders, manuscripts, pamphlet, writing, print, letter, notice, advertisement, or crayon drawing is said to be calculated, intended, or thought to discriminate against homosexual behavior, or the agenda to rewrite marriage and adoption laws.
I predicted it three years ago. And a lot of people said I was crazy. But my book, "The Criminalization of Christianity," subtitle: "Read this Before it Becomes Illegal" just became ... illegal. And it's no longer just in Sweden, Europe, and Canada; it's right here in what used to be known as the "land of the free."
A week from today I'm flying to Denver and attending a press conference with Colorado pastors and state leaders to ... break the law. We are handing out my book, "The Criminalization of Christianity," and waiting for arrest. It may be that next week's column will be written from a jail cell. I tend to think that would be a stupid move on the government's part. I predict they will lay low and peg off the less vocal types first. Wait for the cement in the law to become solid before chaining it to the feet of Christians who dare speak out.
Forget my book. Another far more important book just got banned in Colorado: the Bible. Don't believe me? Take a look at Leviticus 18, Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6 and 1 Timothy 1. There's a bunch more verses, and they all just became illegal.
Thankfully, our rights don't come from the elected officials in Colorado. They don't even come from the U.S. Supreme Court. We are "endowed with" our rights from "our Creator." And the good news is, our Founding Fathers were smart enough to write them down in a document known as the U.S. Constitution. And if we read that document, we find something called the First Amendment. And you know what? It trumps Colorado SB 200, Gov. Bill Ritter and the homosexual agenda.

reply from: sander

Stifleing free speech is good news to you? Nazi.

reply from: GratiaPlena

Well we DO have free speech, and this certainly infringes upon it.

reply from: galen

free speacj is why Mark allows you to be here on the forum vexing... otherwise it would be restricted.
Its also why i can say that i think GL4U2L is WAAAAYYYYY to fixated on homosexual behaviour... its not healthy. if he has a problem... then why not apply under the same rules as the Klan and everyone else to protest... follow the rules set by those groups and you'll get the same treatment. However considering the amount of hate speak that goes on in the fundies don't be too surprised by the general populace's reaction.

reply from: GratiaPlena

Yes, it is restricted, but they have no right to go this far. We are not teaching hate toward homosexuals, nor are we saying anything hateful about or towards them. We don't agree with what they do, and we have every right to express that opinion.

reply from: galen

_________________________________________________
what exactly were you posting... four letters are caught by a programme... its because of little kids and such... opinions if phrased correctly get by just fine...*shrug*
be creative

reply from: galen

so be creative and repost it here....

reply from: galen

hmmm i would really like to know what was delete... especially as i have been on several rants recently and none were... oh well\

reply from: Annette

Ok, this I understand.

Are you saying there is something wrong with these types of people? What exactly is a trans-sexual person supposed to do in this situation? Or a cross-dresser? Do they need to unbutton their pants so that the public can check to see if they have a penis or not? How do homosexuals even play into this accusation? So they are attracted to people of the own sex. How is this a problem when using the washroom? Please explain this to me, as right now I am very curious to your reasoning behind listing these people because of their gender non-conforming nature.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Ok, this I understand.

Are you saying there is something wrong with these types of people? What exactly is a trans-sexual person supposed to do in this situation? Or a cross-dresser? Do they need to unbutton their pants so that the public can check to see if they have a penis or not? How do homosexuals even play into this accusation? So they are attracted to people of the own sex. How is this a problem when using the washroom? Please explain this to me, as right now I am very curious to your reasoning behind listing these people because of their gender non-conforming nature.
I man has no business in a woman's bathroom or shower, period.

reply from: galen

so GL4U2L are you offering to be the genital police?

reply from: yoda

Nope. This is a private forum, and we are here because he allows us to be here. He has the right to restrict this forum any way he likes. Right now, he is trying to keep it open, within reason.

reply from: galen

Nope. This is a private forum, and we are here because he allows us to be here. He has the right to restrict this forum any way he likes. Right now, he is trying to keep it open, within reason.
_________________________________________________________
ok so maybe i phrased it incorrectly... your is much more on point * tips hat*

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Please define "man"
I thought this was settled way back in elementary school when we studied chromosomes and how x and y chromosomes determined whether you were a man or woman. Now it seems one will declare they are a man or woman based on that person's personal wishes.
I also thought I learned the anus and lower intestine were part of the digestive system rather than the reproductive system. But "enlightened" people everywhere are changing the rules and definitions. Sounds like Babel (confusion) to me.

reply from: galen

hey God'slaww are you catching FM's disease? he was really 'into' vexing for a period of time... we all thought it was unrequited love... but maybe its a virus... like AIDS... you only get this one by thinking about anal sex too much.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

You are a vile person. I see the death gray alien image fits you well. You are not a healthy human being. Your inside character resembles your avatar.

reply from: galen

You are a vile person. I see the death gray alien image fits you well. You are not a healthy human being. Your inside character resembles your avatar.
_____________________________________________________________-
YOU are the one obsessed with homosexuals and anal sex... and i'm the one with a problem.
RFLMAO!!!!!

reply from: galen

i seem to remember vexing saying she was XXY... so in that case genetically she is both.... if you just base it on genetics...so what gives why the big problem... why not go back to fighting with her about abortion.
You do know how intolerant you seem... and how many people you run off because of that don't you?

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

Whether it's doing drugs, getting drunk, committing fornication, etc., I'm against it. I abstain from all those activities. Yes, a lot of people don't like me because of my positions.
I'm now working with a bunch of guys who can't seem to speak without swearing and cussing, something I'm not ever going to do. I consider their language intolerable. I just don't tolerate. Intolerance is good, very good, when it comes to indecent acts. A criminal once asked, "Can't we just all get along?" Jesus said in the Psalms, "Can two walk together unless they are in agreement?" It is not possible to walk together in harmony; we are not in agreement.
Fools make a mock at sin (laugh about it). Vexing laughs about committing sin. I believe these are life and death matters. Did you know he is a full scale dedicated approver of baby killing. You are running with a bad crowd galen.

reply from: galen

SHE has wavered on that point several times... and every time you or FM come in here ... and several others with your intolerance... SHE hardens her heart to the rest of it... so i can see her as human and talk to her without acting like a bigot... can you? you say you hate people who discriminate against Christians... and yet you do plenty of discrimination of your own. Think that is an effective way to win over someone to your side? berate them to death?
Christ was about attraction rather than promotion... maybe you should try it sometime.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

I wasn't aware that there was such a thing as a half-man/half-woman. I am aware that transexuals are those that work at changing the sex that they were born with. But to be born both a man and woman is nothing I've ever heard of. There are rare genetic accidents and mixups I'm sure. Where are these cases of XXY documented in reliable scientific sources? I might even refer to you as a woman instead of a man if true. However, I do have serious doubts that you are on the up and up about anything that you represent about yourself. It seems you are out to receive some entertainment; and your embellishing stories would not surprise me.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

I read several more stories about death and poor choices again today. Therefore, all the more, I get louder and more belligerent against death causing activities and choices. I'm here to make a difference.
Bigot=narrow minded. Did you know Christians must stay on a straight and narrow path?

reply from: 4given

You have made a covenant with death. You are guessing about thankfulness? Based on my own experiences, I would have to agree. The "choicers" I know have no solid reasoning about why the choice to kill children is acceptable. They are all just "thankful" they have that option available should they desire it. It boils down to selfish ill-regard. How can you advocate the killing of another human being? An innocent life. I don't understand it. Were you reared by pro-abortion parents? When and how did you decide it was and could be justifiable to kill your own child?

reply from: 4given

You have made a covenant with death. You are guessing about thankfulness? Based on my own experiences, I would have to agree. The "choicers" I know have no solid reasoning about why the choice to kill children is acceptable. They are all just "thankful" they have that option available should they desire it. It boils down to selfish ill-regard. How can you advocate the killing of another human being? An innocent life. I don't understand it. Were you reared by pro-abortion parents? When and how did you decide it was and could be justifiable to kill your own child?
I've always thought it was justifiable. My parents believe that abortion should be an option in certain circumstances.
I don't understand your phrase "You are guessing about thankfulness?".
And what exactly do you agree with?
And I have not 'entered into a covenant with death" lol!
Supporting, advocating or condoning elective abortion is entering into a covenant with death. Abortion kills a child. Many women are deeply wounded by that choice. Have you considered how many women are hurt because of abortion? Why is it justifiable to kill another human being? A defenseless and pure being? How is it a justifiable act?

reply from: galen

I read several more stories about death and poor choices again today. Therefore, all the more, I get louder and more belligerent against death causing activities and choices. I'm here to make a difference.
Bigot=narrow minded. Did you know Christians must stay on a straight and narrow path?
______________________________________________________
so its OK for you to rail against the KKK but also OK for you to act like them?
come on now really?

reply from: 4given

Why is it justifiable to discriminate against me because of the way I was born?
I don't discriminate against you. And I certainly would not ever find your death- should it be by another's hand because of your lifestyle choices justifiable.

reply from: cracrat

Would the offpsring from such a pregnancy be a genetic clone of the mother/father?

reply from: Annette

There's probably wouldn't be enough genetic information to reproduce. If you can imagine the problems of a sister/brother child, a self-child would be much worse, if possible at all.

reply from: galen

Would the offpsring from such a pregnancy be a genetic clone of the mother/father?
_______________________________________________________________________________________________
most true hermaphrodites do not produce both eggs and sperm... usually only eggs but a few cases of sperm production have been noted. no cases of both have ever been documented as far as i have been able to research. it seems that whatever hormones you produce in excess are the ones acting to produce either sperm or eggs. Therefor you would not be able to produce both as estrogen and testosterone.. in lay terms , 'cancel each other out' when it comes to reproduction.
sorry guys no clones.

reply from: galen

it does spike yes... but not enough to stop a pregnancy... usually there are some women who have problems w/ miscarrige because of this.

reply from: galen

and thats what i said originally... there seems to be no way of that happening.. as yet no one has ever documented it.. and autopsy seems to reveal the hormonal factor... if you have more female hormone you produce eggs and more male hormone produces sperm.. no one afflicted with this condition seems to produce both equally and there for can not have both eggs and sperm there for no self impregnation can occure.

reply from: galen

theorhetically yes... in RL no that is not the case so far... no one knows exac tly why but 1 always seems to be in greater quantity than the other...1 probably does counteract the effect of the other... kid of like with you, because the tissue ammounts for each respective gland tend to be diffrent.

reply from: RiverMoonLady

Thanks to the ADA (Americans with Disablities Act), many places have single "Unisex" toilet rooms (and even shower rooms) which are terrific for taking your child and for avoiding being in the same room as anyone else.
Look for them - they are in many public places like museums, libraries, etc. - and often have changing tables for diaper changes - even a place to nurse babies. They are family-friendly!

reply from: galen

_______________________________________________________
i suppose that way might be possible... if you can find a doc willing to help you...
at that point it may be a clone depending on mieosis.

reply from: galen

no eiosis should prevent it but statistically as you are using the same DNA to pare down so statistically you could get a clone.

reply from: galen

so i'll probably catch hell for ressurecting this one but i wondered how many women would scream if they saw this lady walk into thier restroom... not knowing anything else about her?
http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx/?news=326953>1=28103

reply from: galen

gees... i guess i should have expected that... yeah.. i'll look up the #'s i know that its like 1 in 1billion or so but that 1 chance still makes it a possibility...

reply from: galen

your reply is exactly my point.....
i just wondered about the rest of 'em...

reply from: galen

We're talking about naturally, right? I'm not sure you can prove it's even possible. Like I said, if you can, I would be interested in examining the source. I do not presume to know everything, and am willing to learn.
____________________________________________
nope theorhetically... i never actually heard of it happening in nature.


2017 ~ LifeDiscussions.org ~ Discussions on Life, Abortion, and the Surrounding Politics