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by: kayluvzchoice

1. Pro-choice and Pro-Abortion are different although some people can be both.
Pro-choicers believe that abortion should remain legal and women should have the right to continue the pregnancy or abort.
Pro-Abortion means to just support legal abortion. People who are pro-abortion can support the choice of having an abortion or continuing or a forced abortion.
2. No one who is sane wants an abortion. No one gets pregnant so they can get one.
3. The argument that legal abortion comes with risks is irrelevant since child birth and back-alley abortions have more risks and have claimed more lives.
4. Abortion is not genocide or infanticide.
Genocide-The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group
Infanticide-
1. The act of killing an infant.
2. The practice of killing newborn infants.
3. One who kills an infant.
Abortion fits none of these definitions. It is also only your opinion if the fetus is an infant.
5. NOTHING makes your opinion fact.
6. Eliminating the need will reduce the procedure. Why don't you guys help fund birth control for women who need it and fund the research of more effective BC with less side effects? Better and and more available BC is more realistic than banning abortion and everyone remaining abstinent until they are ready for a child.
7. Margaret Sanger has nothing to do with PP today. Margaret Sanger died before abortion became legal. Margaret Sanger is completely irrelevant to the abortion debate. Just because she is PP founder, does not mean she is our "hero". And don't single her out as if she is the only person in history who was a bad person who did something to better the world. Maybe you should rethink putting those cute little Mother Teresa quotes in your signature.
8. "Abortion is a business" is completely irrelevant also. Child birth and health have turned into businesses, also.
9. It would be very irresponsible and immature to vote for a candidate because of his opinion on abortion. A president does not have the power to outlaw it. There are also so many more things to worry about than grasping false hope that abortion will be completely outlawed under McCain's presidency.
10. Worry about the children who are here now that are suffering. Then worry about a fetus that did not suffer an abortion.
11. If you are pro-life because of the bible, explain:
-Isaiah 13:18
Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.
-1 Samuel 15:3
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
-Psalms 137:9
How blessed will be the one who grabs your babies
and smashes them on a rock!

reply from: galen

i referr you to # 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmmzc9kEcOc
Go chew some maggots kay... ther're more nutrious than the drivel you just spat out.

reply from: sander

I'm not prolife because of the Bible...I'm pro life becasue I have a conscience that says it's horribly unfair to attack/murder another human being that cannot defend his or herself.
And all the numbered lists of proaborts will never change that fact.
How would you feel if someone typed out of list of the reasons it's fundamentally okay to stomp on the heads of kittend and puppies?
Anything that can't protect his or herself is fully dependant on the mercy of those who can do them harm.
The fact that it escapes so many fellow human beings, (you included) of this fundamental truth is stunning and speaks to the coldness of the hearts of said people.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

lol. You are ridiculous.
How in anyway does that make your opinion fact?
And why didn't you acknowledge or attempt to debunk the others? You can't and you know it.

reply from: galen

i have other more important things to do....
besides... oh one of small IQ... your own #5 does it for me.
none of the things you have posted are fact..
grow up

reply from: sheri

Truth makes our oppinions fact.
If M sanger is so irrelavent to todays Planned Parenthood then why are they still useing her polisies to exterminate" black people? and why do they constantly invoke her as their "patron saint", celabrate "maggies race" (at saratoga race track here in NY, Thoughrobreds of course) and have her grandson troll around making speaches and raising blood money for planned barenhood?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

:How would you feel if someone typed out of list of the reasons it's fundamentally okay to stomp on the heads of kittend and puppies?:
I would be just as appalled if it was a human baby.
We are not talking about newborn mammals. Newborns are not involved in abortion. But if an owner wants to get their pet an abortion as long as the fetuses cannot feel or are not sentient, I do not care.

reply from: galen

planned barrenhood.... i like that one.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

So anyone who disagrees with Galen is immature?? I am acting like the usual selfish, youthful, and irresponsible 17 year old.
My IQ is above average. What is yours?
If you have better things to do, why are you on here so much?
Dictionaries are not factual? It isn't a fact more effective and more available BC wont reduce abortion? It is not a fact that everyone remaining abstinent is unrealistic? It is not a fact your god could give a*****about fetuses and advocated killing newborns? It is not a fact the president does not have the power to ban abortion?

reply from: sander

lol. You are ridiculous.
How in anyway does that make your opinion fact?
And why didn't you acknowledge or attempt to debunk the others? You can't and you know it.
Nothing you wrote needs to be debunked again for the zillionth time.
If you don't have a conscience that can see that killing someone who is defensless is fundamentally wrong, then the problem is yours.
Fellow human beings that think they are superior and weild power over the defensless are troubled and deserve to face consequenses.
Proaborts are worse then animal abusers. How powerful they must feel because they can overpower something that can't defend itself.
It's sick and twisted and destestable. Period.

reply from: galen

I had a brain tumour removed 6 weeks ago... what's your excuse.
and yeah, i'd bet my IQ against yours any day... especially because you can not read and analyze logically what you just posted... 7th grade level work at best..

reply from: carolemarie

Then when does the fetus become a baby?
At 7 months or 8 months development? And if you say not till it is born, then do you believe that the fetus is alive (in the biological sense?)
Curious,
Carolemarie

reply from: kayluvzchoice

So explain to me how they are trying to wipe out an entire race?

reply from: sander

There is where your thinking is totally tortured.
It is a human baby. What do you think women carry, cows?
And I don't know where you've been living, but newborns are most certainly involved in abortions. Ever hear of Tiller the killer?
There are late term abortions perfomed everyday.
The fact that the baby is in the womb is all the more reason to see how defensless this child is...not a choice, not a hope, nothing ahead of him or her but a cruel and untimely death. That is as sick as it gets.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

lol. You are ridiculous.
How in anyway does that make your opinion fact?
And why didn't you acknowledge or attempt to debunk the others? You can't and you know it.
Nothing you wrote needs to be debunked again for the zillionth time.
If you don't have a conscience that can see that killing someone who is defensless is fundamentally wrong, then the problem is yours.
Fellow human beings that think they are superior and weild power over the defensless are troubled and deserve to face consequenses.
Proaborts are worse then animal abusers. How powerful they must feel because they can overpower something that can't defend itself.
It's sick and twisted and destestable. Period.
Yeah, I am much worse than a kid microwaving their kitty or setting it on fire since I believe women should control their own bodies. Are you not debunking my post because you wont or can't?

reply from: carolemarie

Kay, do you have an answer for me? When does the fetus become a baby? Where in the pregnancy does that happen.
I am trying to follow your logic here, but would appreciate a little clarificaion.
Thanks

reply from: kayluvzchoice

So how did you come to the conclusion I can't read or analyze what I posted??

reply from: kayluvzchoice

I believe it becomes a baby when it becomes sentient.

reply from: galen

i saw nothing in there more than your opinion... as # 5 states nothing makes your opinion fact... there for no debunking needed....
btw this is not ghosthunters... no one debunks this stuff... no mystery here.

reply from: sander

Yes, you're worse than the person that tortuers animals...although, not by much, imo. I detest that torture too.
Believeing that a woman has to control her body at the expense of another human being is wrong on all levels.
Your post is debunked...what part of killing another human being who is defensless don't you get?

reply from: sheri

what week kay? It is a good question, when is the child "sentient"?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Galen:
How is it my opinion that the president can't outlaw abortion?
How is it my opinion more available and effective BC will reduce abortion?
How are definitions of genocide, pro-choice, pro-abortion, etc. my opinion?
How is my opinion everything in America is a business?
How is it my opinion childbirth and back alley abortions have claimed more lives than legal abortion?
How is it my opinion your god supported the murder of babies and had a total disregard for fetuses?

reply from: galen

soooo by your last bit o logic.... if you are not sentient then i get to kill you ....
well then * looks around slyly* maybe you should watch to see if someone follows you around untill you go to the dentist or have anesthesia for some reason... Or maybe they can wait untill you are drunk.. or asleep... then its ok to kill you right?

reply from: faithman

Then when does the fetus become a baby?
At 7 months or 8 months development? And if you say not till it is born, then do you believe that the fetus is alive (in the biological sense?)
Curious,
Carolemarie
But according to you the abortion loby is right , and the womb child is not equal to the born child on"many levels". the killer mom of the born child goes to jail, but the killer mom of the womb child gets a free walk, Right? You are just plain too conflicked for your voice to have any crediblity at all. Of course you having the experiance of killing three gives you all the knowlege on the issue, right? Please tell us how killing three womb children is defferent than killing three born children. When did yours become babies? Why do they deserve less justice than those murdered after they are born? Please enlighten us Oh great and wise post abortive one!!!

reply from: sheri

PP is constantly trying to get the little black babies they kill more black babies then any other org. in the country. Even though blacks are a minority they make up 40% of the abortions. That was sangers plan.

reply from: galen

Because kay... none of those are facts... laws are changed ev ery day... by people more powerful than you.
the rest are just that your opinions...
go to any online dictionary and you can come up with at least 10 more definitions that are just as true....
go back to school kay.

reply from: faithman

Do you have an aswer for us? Where do you come off demanding answers of anyone when you have plenty to answer for your self? Where do you get off passing moral judgement, when your "choices" in life got three killed? You believe that the womb child is at a lower level just like the abortion loby. Kay owes you nothing. She admits to being a borthead. You on the other hand, are the most dishonest poster here.

reply from: 4given

Or mythbusters for that matter- Although they are far more interesting and cool than ghostbusters were/are.. even though ghostbusting/hunting seems interesting...
In relevence to abortion, it seems rather simple- regardless of whatever justification may be used.. I have yet to check out the Bible verses and/or context listed... but none-the-less, sentient or not- abortion kills an intended life. Kay- you know this. If someone is in a coma, and cannot speak or react- is it okay to kill them? What about a quadraplegic? Are they too sentient for you?
*edit for quad instead of para- *

reply from: carolemarie

I believe it becomes a baby when it becomes sentient.
When is that, and what do you mean by sentient....brain waves?

reply from: 4given

I am sorry. Have you been recovering well? I am sure your family is taking good care of you- I hope they are anyway! So sorry- yet glad that it could be removed. Was it benign? You have been through so much... before the tumor as far as I have read.. Thank you for joining us here. I appreciate your presence!

reply from: carolemarie

I believe it becomes a baby when it becomes sentient.
When is that, and what do you mean by sentient....brain waves?
Oh, I see you said the third trimester. Does that mean you support banning abortion after 6 months?

reply from: galen

i'm fine... i had gamma knife surgery... no cutting involved.
tumour is dead... just going through the reabsorption process now.
thanks for the good thoughts.

reply from: sander

The third trimester.
So, thru six months of the pregnancy the child isn't sentient?
How do you know this?
Does it matter that the baby swallows, digests, dreams, feels pain, hears all before the third trimester?

reply from: faithman

I believe it becomes a baby when it becomes sentient.
When is that, and what do you mean by sentient....brain waves?
Does that put them at a higher level? At what point does a killer deserve jail? Just when does the free walk end?HHHHMMMMM? Or is it as long as it is you doing the killing then it is just you who gets a free walk because of your special deal with Jesus?

reply from: faithman

I believe it becomes a baby when it becomes sentient.
When is that, and what do you mean by sentient....brain waves?
Oh, I see you said the third trimester. Does that mean you support banning abortion after 6 months?
SSSSOOOO when do you not oppose personhood? Why dont you advocate all killer moms get a free walk? Why are you picking on Kay? Must you bully her so?

reply from: 4given

I hope that means a sense of normalcy.. yet I have not discovered one myself.. "It is quite a life- if you don't weaken" I have been told anyway. I will pray when led to for you. I am sorry you had to go through that. Visit more. Again, I appreciate your time here.

reply from: sander

What weeky freaky?
Apparently the questions were getting too sticky.
She should know that even a full term newborn is not "viable" without someone to care for the baby. They can't get up and fix themselves a bottle, for cying out loud.
The lengths the proaborts have gone to keep their heads in the sand still staggers the imagination.

reply from: 4given

I am imagining the sand.. and the cess pool logic beneath it all.. my imagination does indeed stagger.. but the reality and focus remains- a blood-stained and often mutilated body that was created- if not for the mother- by the mother and an intended life. Again- if not for her enjoyment- that of lonely and empty arms that so desire that life to embrace..

reply from: nancyu

I believe it becomes a baby when it becomes sentient.
When is that, and what do you mean by sentient....brain waves?
Oh, I see you said the third trimester. Does that mean you support banning abortion after 6 months?
SSSSOOOO when do you not oppose personhood? Why dont you advocate all killer moms get a free walk? Why are you picking on Kay? Must you bully her so?
CM is trying to find a compromise situation. "At what point is it okay for us to kill our babies, and still not have to go to jail? What if we anesthetize them before we kill them, would we still have to go to jail? Please don't make us go to jail! We just want the right to choose (to kill our own babies) Is that so much to ask!!??"

reply from: cracrat

No she isn't. You are either a moron or a smart person twisting words for your own ends. Which is it?
CM is clearly trying to find out from kay at what point she finds abortion at least distasteful if not wrong. Which abortions would kay oppose? If it is after sentience, third trimester as she says, would kay support a ban on third trimester abortions? CM is attempting to bring logic and reason to bear on kay's pro-choice arguments, and so defeat them.

reply from: yoda

Nothing like a whole long list of proabort lies... gives you the chance to see all their deceitfulness at one time:
Lie. The dictionaries say they both mean one who supports the legality of abortion, period.
How about the gal at Yale, kay?
Documentation? What, you have none?
It is indeed genocide, when the target group is considered to be "unwanted, unborn children:
genocide: "The deliberate and systematic destruction of a national, racial, religious, political, cultural, ethnic, or other group defined by the exterminators as undesirable" (Webster's New World Encyclopedia, Prentice Hall General Reference, 1992).

Yet another of your LIES, kay:
Main Entry: 1infant Function: noun1 : a child in the first period of life
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/infant
NOTHING will eliminate the "need" for non-medically indicated abortions, since no amount of money will make a woman want a baby she doesn't want.
She founded it, and if today's administrators disagreed with her philosophy, they would CHANGE THE NAME OF THE ORGANIZATION. But they don't disagree with her, they ARE PROUD OF HER.
Hardly. The motivation of greed is always relevant.
That's just YOUR opinion, kay... and NOTHING MAKES YOUR OPINION A FACT.
Unlike you baby killers, we can worry about TWO OR MORE things at a time, kaylovesdeadbabies.

reply from: yoda

Now remember folks, we're supposed to be nice to these people......

reply from: joe

FETAL BBQ FTW!
People like this should be executed. Some on this board worry about being nice while this occurs?

reply from: yoda

Yes, the self appointed "referees" tell us that we aren't treating the proaborts nicely.....

reply from: joe

Personally I do not care about "feelings" while acts like the one in the video are justified.

reply from: yoda

Ah Joe, you're not being "politically correct according to Faramir"!
According to him, we must tread lightly on the toes of the baby killers who "grace" us with their presence here..... so that we may convert some of them while they are killing four thousand babies a day......
But I guess we're probably not supposed to call them baby killers either, so both of us are politically incorrect today, joe!

reply from: sawthelight

Ah Joe, you're not being "politically correct according to Faramir"!
Faramir wouldn't know political correctness if it bit him.

reply from: Faramir

Edidted.
Why bother?

reply from: teddybearhamster

what is wrong with you! i've known people who have aborted. i think what they did was awful but i've never met anyone proud of it or certainly anyone that refered to it as a bbq. are you a human being?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

I don't depend on the person's body I originated in to live. I don't have to act as a parasite to keep developing. I am not using someone's body against their will.

reply from: galen

took you this long to respond to that huh?
i have to ask....what do you have against Mother T?
quote:. Margaret Sanger has nothing to do with PP today. Margaret Sanger died before abortion became legal. Margaret Sanger is completely irrelevant to the abortion debate. Just because she is PP founder, does not mean she is our "hero". And don't single her out as if she is the only person in history who was a bad person who did something to better the world. Maybe you should rethink putting those cute little Mother Teresa quotes in your signature
You are the only person i've known who has objected to a MT quote... why is that.
why even athiests quote this woman...so what gives. Your itty bitty brain could not come up with anyone else to piss off mommy with?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

The president CANNOT outlaw abortion. It would take years to give the president that power if it is at all possible. That is a fact. You are calling me a moron when you cannot grasp this? BC will and DOES reduce abortion. Again, tell me how that is my opinion. So tell me one thing in America that is not a business. Tell me how it is my opinion what the bible says. Tell me how it is my opinion childbirth and illegal abortions have killed more women than legal abortion.

reply from: teddybearhamster

[i have to ask....what do you have against Mother T?
maybe because she was a compassionate humanitarian that did a lot of good. i'm not catholic but Mother T was a wonderful, beautiful person.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

I believe it becomes a baby when it becomes sentient.
When is that, and what do you mean by sentient....brain waves?
Oh, I see you said the third trimester. Does that mean you support banning abortion after 6 months?
By sentience I mean consciousness. And yes, I do think abortion should be banned after the sixth or seventh month of pregnancy unless the mom's life is at risk.

reply from: sander

I don't depend on the person's body I originated in to live. I don't have to act as a parasite to keep developing. I am not using someone's body against their will.
How about mommy and daddy's check book? Did you make the housepayment latley? How about the groceries?
When you were a newborn, did you get up and fix your own bottle, change your diapers, take yourself to the doctor?
Or were you dependant on mommy and daddy's bodies to do the work for you?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

The third trimester.
So, thru six months of the pregnancy the child isn't sentient?
How do you know this?
Does it matter that the baby swallows, digests, dreams, feels pain, hears all before the third trimester?
So you think the second that sperm touches an egg, it is aware, it has a complete nervous system, it has fully formed and functional organs? I know this because I have studied fetal development.

reply from: galen

we have free and affordable BC now and in the 70's... abortion rates soared as soon as RvW was passed.
the president can do whatever he wants if he declares war... look at FDR.
you need to look at your stats on abortion... get ones not tied to the industry.
You take your quotes out of context... therefor you are skewing them to fit.... wait for it.... your opinion.
what grade are you in? Are all of your teachers embarrassed of you? Do they know how much you cheated to get through school...
don't let them see this...or they will know.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

What weeky freaky?
Week 22... Why does that even matter?

reply from: galen

no one ever aborts a newly fertilized egg... after it goes past a blast... yeah it forms the beginings of a nervous system...
So when do you get your nobel prize kay. No nueroanatomist out there is willing to say what level of function is obtained where, especially not this early... so how do you know when sentient thought comes forth?
Even Sanjay Gupta MD says better safe than sorry on the issue of fetal pain.
BTW... why are you not in school... did they kick you out again?

reply from: GratiaPlena

Someone doesn't have to be aware to be human- people under anesthetics prove that. Someone doesn't have to have a complete nervous system to be a human- disabled people prove that. Someone doesn't have to be fully formed to be a human- newborns prove that. Someone doesn't have to have functional organs to be human- sick people prove that.

reply from: teddybearhamster

[qwe have free and affordable BC now and in the 70's... abortion rates soared as soon as RvW was passed.
then it's probably safe to assume if RvW were to be overturned the rates would go way down. i wish bush would revise his unborn protection law to include all the unborn and not just some. his law was a step in the right direction but unless it protects them all it's not enough.

reply from: sander

What weeky freaky?
Week 22... Why does that even matter?
That you would even have to ask why it matters is simply awful.
Week 22
Your baby weighs about 13 ounces now and measures about 9 inches long. They are very thin, but completely developed at this point! Fat will continue to accumulate from here on out as your baby packs on the pounds getting ready for birth.
The bones inside the ears are hardening and so their hearing becomes more clear. They can distinguish between different sounds such as your voice and heartbeat. Eyes are developed now, but there isn't any pigment in the colored part. Teeth buds appear beneath the gum line and the lips are completely developed and distinct from the rest of the face.
Lungs are developing. Right now, the lungs cannot transfer oxygen to the bloodstream, but by birth the lungs will be ready. The senses continue to develop at this time and your baby may experiment with touch by stroking their own face. White blood cells are forming now so that your baby can help fight illness and infections.
This is your fellow human being, totally dependant on the mercy of his/her mother.
Just like you were before you could even feed yourself.

reply from: galen

oh look at that... she left again.
darn * kicks dirt* and i was havin' so much fun... weren't we all?

reply from: sander

LOL!
Yeah, lots of fun...I was about to explain to her what it would take to kill the 22 week old baby in the womb...guess, I'll save that for next time.

reply from: galen

ECTODERM Top cell layer of the embryonic disc. Will later form: skin, hair, lenses of the eyes, lining of the internal and external ear, nose, sinues, mouth, anus, tooth enamel, pituitary and mammary glands, and all parts of the nervous system.
nervous system.... hmmm looks like those are already programmed.... so what is to say they have no awareness.... they have to move somehow right?
hormones only do some of the work... what does the rest. are you willing to bet your life on it? you may have to one day you know.
so God or Nature kay?...you Nobel prizewinner you.

reply from: sander

How aware is a one day old baby, how about a three week old baby, or a 8 week old baby?
Infants don't know where their hand stops and anything else begins. With Kaylovesdeadbabies logic why stop at 22 weeks in the womb?

reply from: GratiaPlena

Darn. We'll have to keep this thread bumped to the top until she comes back.

reply from: galen

yup... here is a good link for fetal development.... especially as kay has soooo much knowledge on the subject. good guid to brain structure... by 12 weeks its still more developed than she is willing to admit.
http://www.visembryo.com/baby/10_weeks.html

reply from: sander

This I did not know:
Thorax
Vocal cords form in larynx and fetus can make sounds.
At only 10 weeks. Guess the "scream" isn't so "silent' after all.

reply from: galen

yeah... but try to tell that to the doctor/ nurse who just tore all of it to shreds... you know every oncein a while when a young gest age child is miscarried they give off a 'cats cry' a sound most pitiful.

reply from: sander


Poor, sweet little babies.
It's sad enough with a natural misscarriage.
But, to contemplate, for even a moment, a baby being torn to shreds using it's little vocal cords during the process, should tare at the heart of any normal human being.
And I don't have one single problem saying that anyone who cannot be touched by this fact is NOT NORMAL!

reply from: nancyu

But we are the looney extremists who want this to end.

reply from: galen

ok... well here is an update i got yest....
http://cercor.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/bhm184v2

reply from: yoda

Although developmental milestones are an emotional subject, I guess the more important thing to me is that all normal embryos have the capacity to develop into adults if given the chance, no matter what their stage of development.
So morality does not depend upon age, weight, number of cells, presence and function of organs, etc........ it depends on the classification within the species know as "human".

reply from: yoda

Yeah, that never ceases to amaze me..... how the opposition to the slaughter of unborn babies can be called "extreme", and with a straight face.

reply from: galen

yep as long as you don't kill 'em first... then they can grow up if you adhere to the laws of nature.... its the laws of man that *&^% this up.

reply from: nancyu

I am proud to consider myself an anti choice extremist. Do you suppose the pro choice extremists are as proud?

reply from: sander

But we are the looney extremists who want this to end.
It's had to imagine that so many people have their thinking so incredibily twisted, that we're looked at as extremists....WHAT! *shaking head*

reply from: nancyu

And where are they now?

reply from: faithman

Borty cockroaches scatter, when pro-life light is shinning. There is arguably no brighter light than the IAAP cards. Borty roaches hate um.

reply from: galen

The problem was.... you didn't get news coverage of prochoicers bombing abortion clinics or churches....a few rotton apples. Image is everything these days.
Just ask Paris and Brittany.

reply from: galen

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Abortion%20is%20Murder/horror_of_abortion.htm

reply from: galen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biYm_pLUn5o

reply from: galen

Then when does the fetus become a baby?
At 7 months or 8 months development? And if you say not till it is born, then do you believe that the fetus is alive (in the biological sense?)
Curious,
Carolemarie
But according to you the abortion loby is right , and the womb child is not equal to the born child on"many levels". the killer mom of the born child goes to jail, but the killer mom of the womb child gets a free walk, Right? You are just plain too conflicked for your voice to have any crediblity at all. Of course you having the experiance of killing three gives you all the knowlege on the issue, right? Please tell us how killing three womb children is defferent than killing three born children. When did yours become babies? Why do they deserve less justice than those murdered after they are born? Please enlighten us Oh great and wise post abortive one!!!

reply from: galen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PPamlX4HQ0

reply from: kayluvzchoice

"Lie. The dictionaries say they both mean one who supports the legality of abortion, period."
Pro-abortion is supporting the legality. Pro-choice is supporting the legality and the CHOICE.
"How about the gal at Yale, kay?"
You don't know how healthy she is mentally and that has been proven a hoax.
"Documentation? What, you have none? "
Maternal mortality- http://www.globalhealthfacts.org/topic.jsp?i=78
Back alley abortion & Legal abortion- http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/publications/factsheet/fsabortion.htm

It is indeed genocide, when the target group is considered to be "unwanted, unborn children:
genocide: "The deliberate and systematic destruction of a national, racial, religious, political, cultural, ethnic, or other group defined by the exterminators as undesirable" (Webster's New World Encyclopedia, Prentice Hall General Reference, 1992).
Who is targeting fetuses with what agenda?? How are individual chosen abortions genocide in any way?
NOTHING will eliminate the "need" for non-medically indicated abortions, since no amount of money will make a woman want a baby she doesn't want.
Who said anything about money?
She founded it, and if today's administrators disagreed with her philosophy, they would CHANGE THE NAME OF THE ORGANIZATION. But they don't disagree with her, they ARE PROUD OF HER.
Because she made BC more available.
Hardly. The motivation of greed is always relevant.
Then why don't you protest how babies, health, and safety are just dollar signs to most people who have control over it?
Unlike you baby killers, we can worry about TWO OR MORE things at a time, kaylovesdeadbabies.
You are so *****ing immature for an old man. Keep coming up with those oh-so original nicknames. They really make you look good. So do you do as much for poverty stricken children as you do for an embryo?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

I don't depend on the person's body I originated in to live. I don't have to act as a parasite to keep developing. I am not using someone's body against their will.
How about mommy and daddy's check book? Did you make the housepayment latley? How about the groceries?
When you were a newborn, did you get up and fix your own bottle, change your diapers, take yourself to the doctor?
Or were you dependant on mommy and daddy's bodies to do the work for you?
Actually, I do help my parents financially. Until I move out. And they make me live with them. Maybe you didn't read that I said I am not/was not dependant on them against their will?

reply from: yoda

Yet another UNSUPPORTED LIE......
Like hell it has....... Yale says one thing, she says another.... and that's your "proof"? You lie like a dog, kay.......
Two proaborts sites don't exactly constitute "documentation", kay
Do you want a list, or what? Was the genocide in Rwanda done by some group with an agenda? How were the individuals killed in Rwanda genocide?
Yeah, right......
Yes, I do, kaylovesdeadbabies......... how about you?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

So, God didn't say to kill babies??? Or to not have mercy on "fruit of the womb"?
And you must really be desperate if you have to try to insult me like that.

reply from: 4given

You said you only have your mother. Parent/not parents.. Good for you. I had to pay my way as soon as I earned money- although against what I wanted.. So you work? I think actually, legally, you have to live with them or you are considered a runaway and they (or she) is still liable for your mischief, food, shelter etc.. until you are 18.
I suppose if you wanted scabies or something.. you could squat in your city of choice.. without showers or food or the internet.. you know the basics..

reply from: galen

"Documentation? What, you have none? "
Maternal mortality- http://www.globalhealthfacts.org/topic.jsp?i=78
Back alley abortion & Legal abortion- http://www.advocatesforyouth.o...tsheet/fsabortion.htm
your first would be relevant if it applied to the US for the year of 2007- not for 2000.
NO ONE says abortion is safer in this country... and we are not trying to change the laws in Africa.
the second would be relevant if you could find a non biased place... as it is you just posted another one of PP's little tentacles..
also the CDC admitts they can not reliably track abortion deaths because death certificated are not tallie this way..
record are not kept for say exanguination from abortion... they are just listed as exanguination.
so come up with relevant stuff girly.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Galen- You are not even worth it. Don't bother replying. You are just as rude and immature as faithman.

reply from: galen

only to you my dear... now if you actually took the time to research and flesh out your statements...but you see my dear that's what happens when you don't learn to research in school...
PS the cliff notes won't help you on this one...
and BTW... i've posted things in this thread.... not Bible quotes, but science, to back up my claims... also else where in this forum...
care to take a look?

reply from: sander

Now you are...but, what about way back when? What about when you couldn't feed yourself or help out with bills? Or change your own diaper? Or drive yourself to school?
You started out dependant, just like every other human being. Don't deny it...it's not healthy and it has led to you believe lies that womb children are less than worthy of life because they can't do the things you can do now.

reply from: galen

so where was i rude...? i can be a lot more colourful you know...

reply from: galen

wow she dropped out... again

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Now you are...but, what about way back when? What about when you couldn't feed yourself or help out with bills? Or change your own diaper? Or drive yourself to school?
You started out dependant, just like every other human being. Don't deny it...it's not healthy and it has led to you believe lies that womb children are less than worthy of life because they can't do the things you can do now.
My parents were not forced to take care of me.

reply from: yoda

AND..... they gave you a break by not shredding you into little pieces before birth.... but of course, you feel no obligation to extend that break to your own kids, or anyone else's kids, right? You'll go right ahead and support "child shredding", right?

reply from: sander

Now you are...but, what about way back when? What about when you couldn't feed yourself or help out with bills? Or change your own diaper? Or drive yourself to school?
You started out dependant, just like every other human being. Don't deny it...it's not healthy and it has led to you believe lies that womb children are less than worthy of life because they can't do the things you can do now.
My parents were not forced to take care of me.
And if they hadn't of taken care of you, they would have landed in jail.
Do you not see the irony?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Yet another UNSUPPORTED LIE......

Lie? Why would I lie about that? What the hell am I going to gain??
Pick up a dictionary. Pro-choice-means to support the legality and the choice to get one. Pro-Abortion- means to support the legality. You can support the legality of abortion without supporting the choice to get one.Not every Pro-abortion person is pro-choice. I am sorry if you are too thick to grasp this but do not call me a lier because of it. I am sorry that you somehow do not like this fact, and do not consider dictionaries as a valid source, but that is not my problem. Your ignorance is your problem.
Like hell it has....... Yale says one thing, she says another.... and that's your "proof"? You lie like a dog, kay.......
Two proaborts sites don't exactly constitute "documentation", kay
Do you want a list, or what? Was the genocide in Rwanda done by some group with an agenda? How were the individuals killed in Rwanda genocide?
Yeah, right......
Yes, I do, kaylovesdeadbabies......... how about you?
There really is no point. I am not wasting my energy or time on such closed minded people. Any source I give you guys that does not call abortion murder (relevant to the purpose of article or not) you guys will call it "biased" and invalid. If you guys are so worried and receiving biased information you wouldn't get all of your information and arguments from lifenews.com. Any statement against what you guys have been told and what you guys believe is "baby-killer propaganda" (relevant to abortion or not). I really expected a higher level of maturity coming from people who are more than twice my age. Have you guys ever considered that maybe it is because of your immaturity that you are outnumbered and that is why you guys are getting NOWHERE?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

AND..... they gave you a break by not shredding you into little pieces before birth.... but of course, you feel no obligation to extend that break to your own kids, or anyone else's kids, right? You'll go right ahead and support "child shredding", right?
If you do not understand the fact that people will not abort wanted pregnancies, you shouldn't debate abortion.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Now you are...but, what about way back when? What about when you couldn't feed yourself or help out with bills? Or change your own diaper? Or drive yourself to school?
You started out dependant, just like every other human being. Don't deny it...it's not healthy and it has led to you believe lies that womb children are less than worthy of life because they can't do the things you can do now.
My parents were not forced to take care of me.
And if they hadn't of taken care of you, they would have landed in jail.
Do you not see the irony?
They took care of me because they wanted me and actually cared about me. Not because they'd go to jail if they didn't.

reply from: sander

AND..... they gave you a break by not shredding you into little pieces before birth.... but of course, you feel no obligation to extend that break to your own kids, or anyone else's kids, right? You'll go right ahead and support "child shredding", right?
If you do not understand the fact that people will not abort wanted pregnancies, you shouldn't debate abortion.
And who made you the arbitrator on who can debate abortion?

reply from: yoda

Wow.... I had you pegged to be smarter than that. There is NO difference between the two definitions:
pro-a·bor·tion adjective - favoring legal access to abortion: in favor of open legal access to voluntary abortion http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861736813
pro-choice adjective advocating access to legal abortion: advocating open legal access to voluntary abortion http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/pro-choice.html

Aw, boo-hoo!!

reply from: faithman

AND..... they gave you a break by not shredding you into little pieces before birth.... but of course, you feel no obligation to extend that break to your own kids, or anyone else's kids, right? You'll go right ahead and support "child shredding", right?
If you do not understand the fact that people will not abort wanted pregnancies, you shouldn't debate abortion.
And who made you the final arbitrator of who gets to abort abortion?
Who's here to debate abortion? we just like kicking crap out of death scancs!!

reply from: sander

Now you are...but, what about way back when? What about when you couldn't feed yourself or help out with bills? Or change your own diaper? Or drive yourself to school?
You started out dependant, just like every other human being. Don't deny it...it's not healthy and it has led to you believe lies that womb children are less than worthy of life because they can't do the things you can do now.
My parents were not forced to take care of me.
And if they hadn't of taken care of you, they would have landed in jail.
Do you not see the irony?
They took care of me because they wanted me and actually cared about me. Not because they'd go to jail if they didn't.
You're dodging the issue.
If they had not of taken care of you, they would have gone to jail. The "choice" not to care for you is a criminal act.
I'll ask again, a little different.
Don't you see the fallacy of your argument?

reply from: yoda

Many parents don't abort just because they think it's wrong to kill babies, not because they particularly "want" another kid.
This really is a subject better left to adults, kay.

reply from: faithman

Many parents don't abort just because they think it's wrong to kill babies, not because they particularly "want" another kid.
This really is a subject better left to adults, kay.
Tell that to faramir

reply from: yoda

Nah, you tell him, he's mad at me.

reply from: sander

LOL!
You too, ain't it grand!

reply from: faithman

Nah, you tell em, he's madder at me. [or is he just mad]

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Now you are...but, what about way back when? What about when you couldn't feed yourself or help out with bills? Or change your own diaper? Or drive yourself to school?
You started out dependant, just like every other human being. Don't deny it...it's not healthy and it has led to you believe lies that womb children are less than worthy of life because they can't do the things you can do now.
My parents were not forced to take care of me.
And if they hadn't of taken care of you, they would have landed in jail.
Do you not see the irony?
They took care of me because they wanted me and actually cared about me. Not because they'd go to jail if they didn't.
You're dodging the issue.
If they had not of taken care of you, they would have gone to jail. The "choice" not to care for you is a criminal act.
I'll ask again, a little different.
Don't you see the fallacy of your argument?
What are you not getting that they WANTED to? They WANTED me? They were not forced by the law or by the risk of punishment. Did you take care of your kids because you loved them or because you would have been punished if you did not?

reply from: yoda

It's practically a BADGE OF HONOR!!

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Many parents don't abort just because they think it's wrong to kill babies, not because they particularly "want" another kid.
This really is a subject better left to adults, kay.
I did not state why people don't abort. I said if a pregnancy is wanted, it will not be aborted. Is that wording easier to understand?

reply from: faithman

Many parents don't abort just because they think it's wrong to kill babies, not because they particularly "want" another kid.
This really is a subject better left to adults, kay.
I did not state why people don't abort. I said if a pregnancy is wanted, it will not be aborted. Is that wording easier to understand?
We understand that pro-death scum bag magot scancy punks kill their kids, and little borty twits like you agree. Your point issss............

reply from: yoda

I know, it was me who did that. That was my whole point, that there are many reasons "not to abort", and conscience is one of them. I don't know why you weren't aborted, but for some people it is the horrific thought of killing a baby that stops them.
Have you asked your parents why they didn't abort you?

reply from: sander

The law gave them a choice...care or jail.
That's what laws are for.
Many, many parents care for the children they bore though not planned, out of love and duty. Just like they did pre RvW, but now much more less.
There is no "fear" of punishment so they go ahead and kill their child.
It's that lack of fear that has led to 50 million human beings being torn to shreds and disposed of as waste, rather than even a decent burial.
You might want to consider that fear works both ways.
You don't want parents to fear punishment for murderer but won't consider that fear helps people face up to their responsibilities.
"Morality cannot be legislated, but behavior can be regulated. Judicial decrees may not change the heart, but they can restrain the heartless".
-Dr. Martin Luther King

reply from: galen

The law gave them a choice...care or jail.
That's what laws are for.
Many, many parents care for the children they bore though not planned, out of love and duty. Just like they did pre RvW, but now much more less.
There is no "fear" of punishment so they go ahead and kill their child.
It's that lack of fear that has led to 50 million human beings being torn to shreds and disposed of as waste, rather than even a decent burial.
You might want to consider that fear works both ways.
You don't want parents to fear punishment for murderer but won't consider that fear helps people face up to their responsibilities.
"Morality cannot be legislated, but behavior can be regulated. Judicial decrees may not change the heart, but they can restrain the heartless".
-Dr. Martin Luther King
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actually there is one more choice for an unwanted pregnancy... adoption...
does that make us prochoice???/?/

reply from: galen

poor kay... she had to grab all her toys and go home when the trolls came last night...

reply from: cracrat

The laws of nature actually kill off a whole lot more children than abortion will ever be able to lay claim to. Notice the massive surge of population in society once medical technology began to be really effective and nature could be tamed. Nature has a tendancy to exterminate great swathes of children before their 5th birthday, just look at all the tiny graves in old churchyards. It is her way of ensuring only the strong survive to reproduce. Without the laws of man ensuring people in this country and yours generally having access to such technology, you'd only have about a 50/50 chance of making it to your 21st birthday.
Don't go fooling yourself into the idea that nature is some marvellous, beneficient force for good. It's not, nature is cruel and brutal and exacts a pound of flesh whenever and wherever she can.

reply from: Antibigot

AND..... they gave you a break by not shredding you into little pieces before birth.... but of course, you feel no obligation to extend that break to your own kids, or anyone else's kids, right? You'll go right ahead and support "child shredding", right?
If you do not understand the fact that people will not abort wanted pregnancies, you shouldn't debate abortion.
But, women out there DO abort wanted pregnancies if they are forced by someone or if they are dying from a complicated pregnancy.

reply from: galen

Cra...
Nature can be cruel.. all the more reason to cherish the ones we have... not kill them off.
Jo- adoption is a prepregnancy choice in this day and age... you have to choose to not kill the child.
also.. i have yet to meet a child that ws not wanted by someone. How many people in this country are forced to look to other countries for children to adopt. our foster system is messed up and CPS is messed up... so why not give these 'unwanted' children to people who are seprate to love a child.?
also adoption in this country is WAY too expensive. Abortion is much cheaper... i would bet abortion would not be such a great choice if you had to pay 40,000.00 US for the privilage.

reply from: galen

only to you jo-
it matters to the child.

reply from: galen

really... what would you call all that human dna and nueral pathways... oh yeah...'clump of cells'.
tell that to the next woman you help through a miscarrage. especially when the CHILD still is moving when she expells it.

reply from: galen

anyone seen kay today???

reply from: galen

kay where are you come back and play....

reply from: yoda

Are you implying that "Nature" is a conscious being that is capable of cruel intentions?

reply from: yoda

Or if the father wants the baby but the mom doesn't... or the rest of the family wants it.... etc. There are many, many reasons why a wanted baby might be aborted...... kay is just a kid though, she doesn't understand these things.

reply from: galen

to kay...
May the curse of mary malone and her nine blind illigitimate children chase you so far over the hills of damnation that God couldn't find you with a telescope.

reply from: faithman

OOOOOUUUUUCCCHHH!!!! Thats enough to turn hair purple!!!!

reply from: yoda

Hey Mary, is that curse something like calling her a death *s*k*a*?*k?

reply from: yoda

Ah..... I misspelled it..... no wonder it got censored........

reply from: galen

nah... lets see if i could do better than a ssk*&^....
Lo confound this surley sister
Blight her brow with blotch and Blister
Cramp her larnyx , lung, and liver
In her guts a galling give her...
Actually that one is not mine ... i think it was written by John Synge
but it fits.

reply from: yoda

I've got a nice emerald book of Irish blessings.... but not a single Irish curse in it....

reply from: sander

LOL!
And yet another good laugh thanks to Faithman and Yoda!

reply from: galen

I get them from my mother and ( god rest her weary soul) grandmother.
Didn't you ever get told as a child not to use bad language? we use colourful language instead. you do not have to curse with the 'f' word and such ... just let your descriptive talents soar..

reply from: sander

OOOOOUUUUUCCCHHH!!!! Thats enough to turn hair purple!!!!
LOL!!
Gads...too funny!
Not as funny as a pig in a silk gown twirling around at a prom...but, very, very funny! D)

reply from: galen

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the saddest one i ev er did here from her (grandmother)
'may a child be within you forever unborn' it was the worst one she would ever utter.

reply from: faithman

OOOOOUUUUUCCCHHH!!!! Thats enough to turn hair purple!!!!
LOL!!
Gads...too funny!
Not as funny as a pig in a silk gown twirling around at a prom...but, very, very funny! D)
WELL!! just put a purple wig on the pig, and envision the prom jig.

reply from: sander

OOOOOUUUUUCCCHHH!!!! Thats enough to turn hair purple!!!!
LOL!!
Gads...too funny!
Not as funny as a pig in a silk gown twirling around at a prom...but, very, very funny! D)
WELL!! just put a purple wig on the pig, and envision the prom jig.
We have a poet among us! And a funny one at that. LOL!

reply from: yoda

That reminds me of that poor north African woman I saw on TV who carried a "stone baby" for 40 years....... sad thing.

reply from: cracrat

Wierdly, the f-word is from Ireland too. It's an acronym for Found Under Carnal Knowledge, which is the crime you were charged with if caught having sex in public.

reply from: nancyu

Yikes!! Remind me not to make you mad. (And I hope I haven't already. I have had this pain in my side....)

reply from: galen

Hi Cp...long time no see.

reply from: galen

can't let this fly to far afield....

reply from: galen

KAAAAAAYYYYYY where are you??

reply from: sander

Off licking her wounds?

reply from: Teresa18

Kay? Any other pro-aborts willing to respond?

reply from: 4given

I thought it was a Navy term For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge. Specifically dealing with homosexuals..

reply from: sander

Wait til cracrat gets a load of that one!

reply from: 4given

And the load he bares!

reply from: sander

That one has a living fit if you question his prolife at the same time proabortion stance.
Never mind not even a 5yr old could be fooled into thinking that made any sense!

reply from: galen

yeah... CP found it.!

reply from: galen

oops we almost let this get away... helooo kay where are you.....

reply from: sander

She was on here yesterday, but apparently she abandoned her own thread!
Guess she knows when she's licked!

reply from: yoda

You mean the little doggie tried to clean her up?

reply from: galen

Good hope she's at home studying to learn what SHE really thinks and not just what PP asks her to repeat.

reply from: sander

Who abandons their own thread?
Maybe PP told her to stop now, in case she was learning some truth. Who knows.

reply from: galen

or maybe we got to her... its kinda hard to explain away all the science you know..

reply from: 4given

She might be afraid if having a thread named in her *cough* honor.. The truth hurts when realized..

reply from: galen

yes but some of the most ardent supporters of the unborn were converts from the other side...
ie.. look at Tam

reply from: yoda

Nah, she's just gone to ask her borthead leaders how to respond to us....

reply from: sander

Nah, she's just gone to ask her borthead leaders how to respond to us....
Well, they're mighty slow....she's been on her a couple of times to swear. Oh wait, maybe that's what they told her to do! Sounds about right.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

You guys shouldn't get so cocky...
I realized there is nothing I can do or say that will matter. I am not wasting my time trying to do so. There is no point.

reply from: galen

OMG!!! sheeeeesssss AAAALLLLIIIIVVVVEEEE!

reply from: galen

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Kay.. there is truth to this statement. I have yet to meet a true prolifer who was made into a prochoicer...
i have however met several prochoicers that turned to the prolife cause after their own abortion experience... pray this is not what it takes for you to open your eyes.

reply from: yoda

But you JUST DID "waste your time"........ ?????

reply from: kayluvzchoice

It took 30 seconds at the most to say that.

reply from: yoda

And another 30 seconds to say THAT.......
You've wasted a WHOLE MINUTE HERE already!!!

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Are you not wasting your time? Am I not hopeless in your opinion? Why do you keep talking to me?

reply from: yoda

Hey I NEVER SAID I was wasting MY time here....... YOU DID.
Did you forget your own words, so soon? Been hitting the pipe?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

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Kay.. there is truth to this statement. I have yet to meet a true prolifer who was made into a prochoicer...
i have however met several prochoicers that turned to the prolife cause after their own abortion experience... pray this is not what it takes for you to open your eyes.
I was pro-life. Pro-Choicers who were previously pro-life do exist. And I can assure you that experiencing an abortion will not change my mind. Bad experience or not.

reply from: yoda

Like hell you were. You may have called yourself that, but you were no more prolife than crackrat.

reply from: galen

so what made you change? really no bs needed.

reply from: isaiahmom5242007

Are you serious you really think God wants abortion to take place , that is blasphemy at the fullest. You can make you rpoints all you want abortion still takes the life of a unborn baby that was created by God. and I say this IT'S EASY TO BE PROCHOICE WHEN YOU NOT THE ONE BEING KILLED. God Bless

reply from: sander

That's what all people say when their arguments have been defeated.
But, why give up so soon? This is YOUR thread, YOUR topic. If it's important enough to bring up, it's important enough to finish.
Only people who are defeated give up...same with debates.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

You guys want me to respond to posts you think you have reputed and I did. I am wasting my time saying the same exact thing and reading the same exact thing.
And yeah, that was contradicting, but so what? So is everyone else.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Like hell you were. You may have called yourself that, but you were no more prolife than crackrat.
Becasue you know me so well, right?

reply from: yoda

NO ONE ELSE has said they think they are wasting their time here, kay... YOU are the ONLY ONE!!

reply from: kayluvzchoice

There is really no point to telling you. You will pass it off as bull***** or a lie. So whatever.

reply from: sander

You guys want me to respond to posts you think you have reputed and I did. I am wasting my time saying the same exact thing and reading the same exact thing.
And yeah, that was contradicting, but so what? So is everyone else.
You didn't reply to Concernedparent's posts. How about those? They addressed your points in a differenty way.
Don't give up so soon...keep trying.

reply from: yoda

No, because I know prolifers so well..... a prolifer would sooner throw him/herself in front of a bus than advocate the slaugter of a baby, like you do.

reply from: isaiahmom5242007

IT'S EASY TO BE PROCHOICE WHEN YOUR NOT THE ONE BEING KILLED
IT'S EASY TO BE PROCHOICE WHEN YOUR NOT THE ONE BEING KILLED
IT'S EASY TO BE PROCHOICE WHEN YOUR NOT THE ONE BEING KILLED
IT'S EASY TO BE PROCHOICE WHEN YOUR NOT THE ONE BEING KILLED

reply from: yoda

Exactly, isaiahmom, exactly.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

That's what all people say when their arguments have been defeated.
But, why give up so soon? This is YOUR thread, YOUR topic. If it's important enough to bring up, it's important enough to finish.
Only people who are defeated give up...same with debates.
I is not that important. It is a FORUM. It doesn't matter. There is no point to replying. You already know that any source I give you, you will pass off as propaganda. Any argument I give you will be passed off as stupid, naive, or a lie. So I am done with it.

reply from: 4given

So you want to experience an abortion? I am confused. Where are the "obvious pro-lifers" that changed their minds? Kay.. sigh. I read PP's version of the news as well. I guess I thought you were smarter than your girl website counterparts. I actually know that you are. There is no such thing as a "former pro-lifer".. (ouch- my fingers hurt through that repeat) You know the truth. What exactly constitutes for a "bad experience"? Death? Sterility? Guilt? I ask, because I can't for the life of me imagine the "what if" in this scenario, just as no self-respecting mother or father should. Help me to understand your point of view!

reply from: sander

That's what all people say when their arguments have been defeated.
But, why give up so soon? This is YOUR thread, YOUR topic. If it's important enough to bring up, it's important enough to finish.
Only people who are defeated give up...same with debates.
I is not that important. It is a FORUM. It doesn't matter. There is no point to replying. You already know that any source I give you, you will pass off as propaganda. Any argument I give you will be passed off as stupid, naive, or a lie. So I am done with it.
Then why did you start the thread in the first place?
Well, I'm disappointed, I thought you had the courage of your convinctions.

reply from: yoda

Kay just wants to "waste some time" with us, sander..... she loves us and thinks of us as her "family", don't you know?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

NO ONE ELSE has said they think they are wasting their time here, kay... YOU are the ONLY ONE!!
I didn't say I was wasting my time HERE. I said or meant I was wasting my time finding sources & replying to what you guys "reputed".

reply from: kayluvzchoice

So you want to experience an abortion? I am confused. Where are the "obvious pro-lifers" that changed their minds? Kay.. sigh. I read PP's version of the news as well. I guess I thought you were smarter than your girl website counterparts. I actually know that you are. There is no such thing as a "former pro-lifer".. (ouch- my fingers hurt through that repeat) You know the truth. What exactly constitutes for a "bad experience"? Death? Sterility? Guilt? I ask, because I can't for the life of me imagine the "what if" in this scenario, just as no self-respecting mother or father should. Help me to understand your point of view!
Where did I say I wanted that experience?

reply from: yoda

First post, previous page:
"You guys shouldn't get so cocky...
I realized there is nothing I can do or say that will matter. I am not wasting my time trying to do so. There is no point."
We KNOW that you love us, kay, and that you want to spend all your free time with us, why not just admit it?

reply from: kayluvzchoice

That's what all people say when their arguments have been defeated.
But, why give up so soon? This is YOUR thread, YOUR topic. If it's important enough to bring up, it's important enough to finish.
Only people who are defeated give up...same with debates.
I is not that important. It is a FORUM. It doesn't matter. There is no point to replying. You already know that any source I give you, you will pass off as propaganda. Any argument I give you will be passed off as stupid, naive, or a lie. So I am done with it.
Then why did you start the thread in the first place?
Well, I'm disappointed, I thought you had the courage of your convinctions.
I was bored.

reply from: kayluvzchoice

Yeah, you totally get it.

reply from: sander

Bored?
So, then you don't have the courage of your convictions?
Well, maybe there's hope for you, after all.

reply from: 4given

Where did I say I wanted that experience?
I said I was confused.. and it would help me if you addressed the previous statement. (it is my understanding that post-abortive women don't share that level of indifference) But I do see that you are almost challenging the idea that you may become pregnant. (The I assure you bit) How exactly can you "assure" the rest of us that you won't feel differently? I am worried by that statement..

reply from: Faramir

There is really no point to telling you. You will pass it off as bull***** or a lie. So whatever.
I'm curious to know why you changed. I'll take you at your word and won't goad you or insult you, though I might take issue with your reasoning.
I must admit that I have seen a few on other boards go from prolife to prochoice. Sad, but true, but they at least remained "personally" prolife.

reply from: lukesmom

"Personally" prolife is a crock and there is no such stance. You either advocate the death of the unborn or you don't. "Personally" prolife as in my baby is better than your baby and deserves to live where yours doesn't? "Personally" prolife as in I am pregnant with a baby and you are pregnant with a clump of cells? Can't have it both ways..."Personally" prolife is actually a proabort.

reply from: Faramir

"Personally" prolife is a crock and there is no such stance. You either advocate the death of the unborn or you don't. "Personally" prolife as in my baby is better than your baby and deserves to live where yours doesn't? "Personally" prolife as in I am pregnant with a baby and you are pregnant with a clump of cells? Can't have it both ways..."Personally" prolife is actually a proabort.
Yes, pretty much what you said.
I'm just trying to find the good in it. At least they won't abort their own, so that's one less person to worry about having an abortion.

reply from: survivor73

So anyone who disagrees with Galen is immature?? I am acting like the usual selfish, youthful, and irresponsible 17 year old.
My IQ is above average. What is yours?
If you have better things to do, why are you on here so much?
Dictionaries are not factual? It isn't a fact more effective and more available BC wont reduce abortion? It is not a fact that everyone remaining abstinent is unrealistic? It is not a fact your god could give a*****about fetuses and advocated killing newborns? It is not a fact the president does not have the power to ban abortion?
think what you want but your opinions are far fram the truth. and to say it is not a fact that God gives a ***** about fetuses and killing newborns is even worse. God is the creator of all things; wether it was threw rape or love, God hand crafted every single one of those babies. to murder one of his children threw abortion is the worst possible thing you could to to a child. Gods heart weeps for all of his children being aborted and so does that of Mary the mother of God, Joseph foster father to the son of God, and Jesus Christ himself. all thier heart ache makes me wonder just how much longer they will let this great evil continue. God loves his children greatly and one day will send his wrath upon us and Jesus will come down from Heaven on a cloud; and some of us will go to Pergetory or straight to Heaven. the others will go to spend eternity burning in the unquenchable fires of hell. that is fact!!!!!


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