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Why I pick on CarolMarie.

(I put Faramir there to protect and support her)

by: nancyu

I pick on CarolMarie because I want to forgive her. I know that some of you have. That's wonderful. She has you to comfort her and protect her from us mean people who haven't been able to do that yet. Do you think you are going to be able to hold her hand and comfort her and protect from all of the people in the world who feel like me, but won't tell her, and just turn away from her? Do you think you can hold her hand and protect her from God when her judgement day comes? Or maybe you don't quite believe all that nonsense. It just so happens that I do.
What CarolMarie did was horrible for her and for her children, and for God and for the world. I think that she knows that. (I don't believe she knows that, I think she knows that.) I also think that there must still be a part of her that won't accept that what she did was kill her children. It must be too painful for her to think this way, she must keep believing, on some level that they were just clumps of cells and masses of tissue.
CarolMarie wants abortion to be illegal. But she doesn't want women to be punished when this happens. The problem is that if abortion becomes legal, women will be punished. It is simply a fact. She must face this and realize this and decide if she still wants it to be outlawed.
What she also doesn't seem to realize, is that women ARE being punished NOW especially BECAUSE it is legal. She is being punished. Every woman who has aborted is being punished. For many of them, being put in jail would be a sweet relief for them, so strong is there own judgment of themselves.
I want to forgive CarolMarie, I can't do that before she fully understands what she did. To her children, to herself, and to me. You see, I wanted those children to be here in this world with me.
God Bless you CarolMarie,
Love, Nancyu

reply from: Faramir

It's not your business and it's not up to you to forgive her, unless she's your mother and you survived an abortion.

reply from: nancyu

That's your flawed opinion. (In my opinion)

reply from: faithman

My issue is not any of those things. The past is the past. But we wouldn't have known about that past , if she didn't come here bragging about it know wouldn't we? She has also come here and openly said she agreed with the abortion industry that the preborn child is second in consideration to killer mommies interest. She has also point blank said she would fight personhood tooth and nail if it meant murderers would meet the justice they deserve for slaughtering innocent human life. She has made these statement on a pro-life forum, WHERE THE PURPOSE IS STOPPING WOMB CHILDREN FROM BEING PUT TO DEATH BY ABORTION!!!!! My loyalty is first last and always with the womb child. It is not bullying to defend children from the likes of her, and fonfront her for the killer false pro-lifer that she is. And if yall are too stupid to realize that, then it is on you. you are letting emotion get in the way of doing your jod as a protector of the womb child. This is not just about stopping abortion. You will never stop abortion on demand until you establish personhood, and equality for the womb child under the constitution, and their killers meet equal justice under the law. Something Killer Carole says she will fight tooth and nail. She is not pro-life, right now. that means right now she is not true sorry for slaughtering three womb children herself. It is not bullying to confront a pro-abort wolf in pro-life wool, not matter how many times a stupid idiot like faramir wants to say it, who spends more time defending pro-aborts than the womb children. And indorsement from him lets me know I am exactly right about killer carole. This is not about being "nice". It is about fighting, and stopping people like faramir and killer carole from killing womb children. They are the ones who have numbered themselves with the pro-abots, not me. And if yall don't like it tuff. I believe the womb children are worth fighting for no matter what anyone thinks.

reply from: faithman

She made it our business when she openly posted her false pro-life crap here. She made it our business when she openly aposed equal justice for the womb child. She made it our busines when she posted that she agrees with the abortion industry. She made it our business when she said point blank that she and her fellow killer moms would fight personhood if it meant future killer moms met the justice she herself deserves of killing 3 of her own with very little remorse. She could care less about the womb child, and almost everyone of her posts are full of that sentiment. You are just a willing idiot who cant see that.

reply from: Faramir

She made it our business when she openly posted her false pro-life crap here. She made it our business when she openly aposed equal justice for the womb child. She made it our busines when she posted that she agrees with the abortion industry. She made it our business when she said point blank that she and her fellow killer moms would fight personhood if it meant future killer moms met the justice she herself deserves of killing 3 of her own with very little remorse. She could care less about the womb child, and almost everyone of her posts are full of that sentiment. You are just a willing idiot who cant see that.
Her ideas are very similar to those of other prolifers, who you do not badger and call a "killer" ten times a day.
You use your disagreement with her as an excuse to bully her over her past.

Your message to save the babies is obscured by your nonsense and apparent hatefulness, and does not come across at all as if you are defending life in the womb.
If you think establishing personhood is the way to go, then you should defend that idea and push it hard, but you don't have to knock someone else down to do that, and you could be respectful of other ideas, since you are not infallible, and there might be other methods, or compromises along the way.
Even if you are 100% right, you don't have the right to abuse someone the way you do.

reply from: nancyu

She made it our business when she openly posted her false pro-life crap here. She made it our business when she openly aposed equal justice for the womb child. She made it our busines when she posted that she agrees with the abortion industry. She made it our business when she said point blank that she and her fellow killer moms would fight personhood if it meant future killer moms met the justice she herself deserves of killing 3 of her own with very little remorse. She could care less about the womb child, and almost everyone of her posts are full of that sentiment. You are just a willing idiot who cant see that.
Her ideas are very similar to those of other prolifers, who you do not badger and call a "killer" ten times a day.
You use your disagreement with her as an excuse to bully her over her past.

Your message to save the babies is obscured by your nonsense and apparent hatefulness, and does not come across at all as if you are defending life in the womb.
If you think establishing personhood is the way to go, then you should defend that idea and push it hard, but you don't have to knock someone else down to do that, and you could be respectful of other ideas, since you are not infallible, and there might be other methods, or compromises along the way.
Even if you are 100% right, you don't have the right to abuse someone the way you do.
Faramir, Leave faithman alone! I mean it! Leave him alone right now!
faithman is doing more than you or CM ever dreamed of doing, by sticking up for the baby, instead of the murderer of the baby. You call yourselves pro life. Act like it.

reply from: faithman

She made it our business when she openly posted her false pro-life crap here. She made it our business when she openly aposed equal justice for the womb child. She made it our busines when she posted that she agrees with the abortion industry. She made it our business when she said point blank that she and her fellow killer moms would fight personhood if it meant future killer moms met the justice she herself deserves of killing 3 of her own with very little remorse. She could care less about the womb child, and almost everyone of her posts are full of that sentiment. You are just a willing idiot who cant see that.
Her ideas are very similar to those of other prolifers, who you do not badger and call a "killer" ten times a day.
You use your disagreement with her as an excuse to bully her over her past.

Your message to save the babies is obscured by your nonsense and apparent hatefulness, and does not come across at all as if you are defending life in the womb.
If you think establishing personhood is the way to go, then you should defend that idea and push it hard, but you don't have to knock someone else down to do that, and you could be respectful of other ideas, since you are not infallible, and there might be other methods, or compromises along the way.
Even if you are 100% right, you don't have the right to abuse someone the way you do.
It is obviuos that you are just WWWWAAAAYYYYYY to thick headed to see the truth when it is stareing you in the face. You have not addressed a single concern that I have about the pro-death posts she has put up her. Not a single other pro-lifer has posted anything close to what she has. If they had, I would be on them as well. As usual, you try to mis direct and make something it is not, and totally ignore the issue at hand. Why are you ignoring the fact that she openly said she agreed with the abortion industry? Why are you ignoring the fact that she said she will fight personhood? We have had 35 years of one compromise after the other that has not saved one baby from abortion. My loyalty is with the womb children, not compromisers and idiots like you. You are a bigger danger to womb children than any abortionist, for you rot pro-life from the inside, and pour the cold water of your false niceness on the passion it takes to end it. You want us to be nice to false pro-life Baby killers like CM? Forget you!!! You are a worthless death punk sympathizer, a coward, and a betrayer of the cause of life. the sooner you realize that, and repent of it, you are absolutely of no use to the cause of life. You have number yourself with the enemies of the womb child, and that one is on you and nobody else.

reply from: AshMarie88

Why stoop to FM's level? Really. WE ALL AGREE ABORTION IS WRONG AND MURDER! That doesn't mean put a certain person down just because they're not 100% in on EVERY SINGLE LITTLE POINT AND BELIEF YOU HAVE! This is why I left this forum for a while not long ago.
Post abortive women are in pain because of what they did, and they try and seek comfort and healing for it, and they do honor their babies and try to fight and end these killings. There's NOTHING AT ALL wrong with that! Just because they seek comfort and help, doesn't mean they don't care about their babies or anyone else's!
Once again, grow up and start helping BOTH PARTIES hurt by abortion!!

reply from: faithman

But this is where you are wrong. Killer carole has said abortion was not murder. She does not agree that the womb child should be equal with the born child, and it is time you grow up and really pay attention to what is actually said insted of stooping to faramirs level of defending bortheads and killer moms. Put your little girly feelings aside for a moment and try to stay focussed on what is really being said. You are failing to see that there is questions these tw continue to ignore or answere very wrong. Now if you want to be willingly stupid that is on you. But you need to quit posting such dishonesty as you have here. And quit avoiding the legitamate questions that have been raised to try and emotionally bully others toi be quiet about a false pro-life baby killer.

reply from: lukesmom

No "Love" involved in your playground bully "justice". I had thought more of you. Now this is enough, your opinion and "forgiveness" isn't worth what you think it is. Either one of you. BTW, FYI, I have reported this "bullying" thread to the monitors. Don't suppose you care but thought I'd let you know anyway.

reply from: faithman

No "Love" involved in your playground bully "justice". I had thought more of you. Now this is enough, your opinion and "forgiveness" isn't worth what you think it is. Either one of you.
And you are avoiding the questions that are raised here which is totally dis honest on your part. We didn't bully three children to death, and we don't try to emotionally bully people into silence you you are trying to do with this post. It seems you have caught Fartamirs idiot flue. Why wont you address the questions? Cm gets a free walk on agreeing with the abortion industry? Cm gets a free walk on saying abortion is not murder? CM gets a free walk saying killing a womb child is not the same a s killing a born child? To ask these questions of a confessed baby killer who came here bragging about is bullying? you are the bully, and refuse to look at the truth stareing you in the face. And by the way numb scull, I ain't playing!!! I am quite serious about fighting for womb children. It is time you do the same and quit defending their killers, or qit calling yourself pro-life!!!

reply from: nancyu

That is EXACTLY what I am doing. Helping doesn't mean protecting the perpetrator. This is where you and I disagree.

reply from: GodsLaw4Us2Live

CarolMarie seems to have a hard time confessing the severity of her transgression. Why is she any different than an axe murderer that chops the limbs off people? I believe she had a very similiar thing done to a preborn baby (babies). Confession and repentance are necessary to receive forgiveness. Until their is a full confession and repentance rather than a lukewarm response, forgiveness may not be forthcoming.

reply from: sheri

The question of wether or not we should except repentent aborted women into the prolife movement has been answered by LDI as well as every other major prolife org. in the country. They all say we need the testimony of these women.
I counterprotested the "march for womens lives" in washington a few years back, it was the most disgusting display of the prodeath culture i have ever witnessed. Standing on the sidewalk also counterprotesting were a group of women from Silent No More a group of women who have had an abortion and are repentent and speaking out to let women know the effects of abortion. I didnt really understand untill that day just how powerful that testimony can be, it was amazing.
How do we expect to attract postabortive women to the prolife side if we are so crass as to insist on "calling a spade a spade" just to satisfy our warped sence of justice. Can we satisfy God for even one of our lesser sins? Never, so why insist that post aborted women can not partake in the same forgiveness we recieve on a daily basis?
Also next time any one points the finger of blame, they should first consider just how much blame belongs on our own doorstep. We have failed miserably all these years to stop the killing. Don't think God will let us off the hook just because we point at the CM and say "it was the woman". He may think that phrase all to famular.

reply from: lukesmom

Many of us use our own life experience to reach women contimplating abortion. Unfortunantly our nonabortive experiences don't sway some women and that is were post abortive prolife women can help. God uses their experiences in His own way. The internet is a very impersonal medium to communicate. I don't write my very personal regrets here and shouldn't have to. I am taken at my word by most and Carole deserves the same respect. Unless you are God, and NONE of us are altho several here seem to want to act in His place, you have no idea the depth of anyone's regret. Fman-you do good work but you are not perfect and your work doesn't make you so, Nancyu, I have seen nothing about what you do other than attack Carole. You can call me what you like and you can call Carole what you like, it doesn't change the fact we are prolife and christian sisters.
Once again, I will ask you both to cease this personal attack on Carole.

reply from: faithman

Once again you join the stupid and try to make this about what it is not. Not a single one of my post says that I deny post abortive women forgiveness . Please show it. My issues as I have stated and will continue to state until you self deluded idiots answer them, is this. Why do you ignore the fact that she has point blank stated that he agrees with the abortion industry that the womb child is not equal with the born child? Why are you ingoreing the fact that she doesn't just say that she disagrees with personhood but would fight it if it meant death scancs would meet justice? Why are you putting words in my mouth I never spoke, and taking up with this false pro-lifer who has vowed to fight, not just disagree with, the most effective way to end abortion on demand by establishing equal personhood under the constitution and the rule of law? Ypou want to play stupid go ahead, ?But quit puting words in my mouth. I am not against post abortive women at all. I am against a false pro-lifer that openly says she agrees with the abortion industry.

reply from: faithman

Then answer the questions. Do you agree with her that the abortion industry is right that the womb child is not equal to the born child? Are you going to fight personhood if it means it gives the womb child equal status with the born child? Do you agree with killer carole that abortion is not murder? Put you stupid little feelings, and your self righteous indignation aside for a second and objectively answer those questions.

reply from: Faramir

Then answer the questions. Do you agree with her that the abortion industry is right that the womb child is not equal to the born child? Are you going to fight personhood if it means it gives the womb child equal status with the born child? Do you agree with killer carole that abortion is not murder? Put you stupid little feelings, and your self righteous indignation aside for a second and objectively answer those questions.
She has a right to her opinion, whatever it is, and anyone who comes here claiming to be a prolifer has a right to express their opinions without being subjected to your verbal molestation.

reply from: Faramir

She doesen't need to confess to YOU or to any of us. That's her personal life.
She should be able to express an opionion without her personal life being thrown in her face every time she posts.

reply from: faithman

She doesen't need to confess to YOU or to any of us. That's her personal life.
She should be able to express an opionion without her personal life being thrown in her face every time she posts.
Then you agree with her that the abortion industry is right that a womb child is not equal to a born child? you agree with her that abortion is not murder? you agree with her , and intend to fight personhood [not just disagree with] because it may mean that killer moms like her would go to jail for slaughtering their children? When you post something On an open forum doofus, it is no longer a private matter. If she didnt want her "personal life" talked about, then she darn sure shouldn't have posted it here. SSSSSOOOO when are you going to answer the question insted of making false acusations against me?

reply from: Teresa18

It's not your job to forgive CaroleMarie. This is between her and God, and by all her accounts, she has sought the Lord's forgiveness.
This attack on CM needs to stop. She regrets her abortions, as she has said many times. She has sought the Lord's forgiveness. It wouldn't make me feel good to know I'm picking on a post-abortive woman who regrets her abortions. It's bullying. People are picking on someone they feel they are better than. She is here arguing against abortion. She's outside the clinic and at the CPC trying to save women and their unborn children. She wants abortion illegal. She just wants to use a different approach. Not everyone wants women punished. I'm not a supporter of it, nor is the owner of this forum or Father Frank Pavone. I don't see people attacking Mark. I guess that's because Mark hasn't had three abortions. That leads me to believe the main focus of attacks on Carole are because people can't forgive her for having three abortions. As I said above, it's not your job. It's God's job.

reply from: nancyu

I'm all for repentant post abortive women in the pro life movement. I know some in fact. I am eternally grateful to them for speaking out. And I know that we all share in this responsibility for abortion.
It's the unrepentant women, who pretend to be pro life, but are here to undermine everything we are trying to do, that I have a problem with. From past posts that CM has made I have come to suspect that CM is such a person. She's no where to be seen to defend herself and convince me otherwise. CM doesn't care about receiving my forgiveness, which is fine with me. I'm just saying I haven't forgiven her. If it's hard to gain my forgiveness, just imagine the trouble she will have facing her maker.
The reality is that some women will need to face our justice system when abortion is outlawed. And they will no longer have the excuse of being brainwashed by society. Unless of course, we continue to say, "there there, it wasn't YOUR fault."

reply from: Faramir

I've done likewise and reported these posts, and I think it would be a good idea for anyone else who is outraged by this meanness, bullying, and abuse to do the same.

reply from: faithman

And yet another stupid one who avoids the questions asked. So let me ask them again. Do you agree with her that the abortion industry has it right that the womb child is not equal with the born child? That abortion is not murder? And are you going to defend her in her fight against personhood because it would establish equality for the preborn, with the born child, thus making all laws that protect the born would protect the womb child? Do you agree with her double standard that moms who kill the born children go to jail, but killers of womb children get a free walk? Why won't you answer these questions insted of putting words in my mouth I never spoke? Your post leaves the impression we are not to confront any killer of innocent life.

reply from: nancyu

I've done likewise and reported these posts, and I think it would be a good idea for anyone else who is outraged by this meanness, bullying, and abuse to do the same.
Why don't you quote my "meanness" faramir and lukesmom. What exactly have I said that is so "mean"
You're telling me to grow up?? Good grief.

reply from: nancyu

There it's one against four. What a bully I am!

reply from: Faramir

You are hiding behind the "womb children" and exploiting them to serve your ego, and that's really disgusting.
You can disagree with someone without humiliating and degrading them.

reply from: Faramir

It's mainly faithman.
I didn't think of you as mean until the past day or so.
What has gotten into you?
I've done likewise and reported these posts, and I think it would be a good idea for anyone else who is outraged by this meanness, bullying, and abuse to do the same.
Why don't you quote my "meanness" faramir and lukesmom. What exactly have I said that is so "mean"
You're telling me to grow up?? Good grief.

reply from: faithman

I've done likewise and reported these posts, and I think it would be a good idea for anyone else who is outraged by this meanness, bullying, and abuse to do the same.
Oh! so whine baby can't answer honest questions and resorts to go tattle tail to the moderator. You are such a gutless woose. Why cant you simply answer the questions I havce asked over and over again, insted of makeing false acusations against me and putting words in my mouth I never spoke?

reply from: faithman

And you can answer the questions I have asked, but you would rather tattle tail than do something constructive for a change.

reply from: nancyu

And yet another stupid one who avoids the questions asked. So let me ask them again. Do you agree with her that the abortion industry has it right that the womb child is not equal with the born child? That abortion is not murder? And are you going to defend her in her fight against personhood because it would establish equality for the preborn, with the born child, thus making all laws that protect the born would protect the womb child? Do you agree with her double standard that moms who kill the born children go to jail, but killers of womb children get a free walk? Why won't you answer these questions insted of putting words in my mouth I never spoke? Your post leaves the impression we are not to confront any killer of innocent life.

reply from: Faramir

And you can answer the questions I have asked, but you would rather tattle tail than do something constructive for a change.
No matter what the answers would be, it doesn't excuse your personal attacks.
I don't care if you're 100% right in your ideas, that doesn't give you the right to beat her up over her past, almost every *****' post you make.
For your own sake you should stop this abusive behavior, because it's very difficult to see past that, and see the ideas you are presenting.
It makes it hard to believe you care about anyone, including the unborn, when you behave like a monster who seems to be getting his jollies by relentlessly harrassing someone.

reply from: faithman

And you can answer the questions I have asked, but you would rather tattle tail than do something constructive for a change.
No matter what the answers would be, it doesn't excuse your personal attacks.
I don't care if you're 100% right in your ideas, that doesn't give you the right to beat her up over her past, almost every *****' post you make.
For your own sake you should stop this abusive behavior, because it's very difficult to see past that, and see the ideas you are presenting.
It makes it hard to believe you care about anyone, including the unborn, when you behave like a monster who seems to be getting his jollies by relentlessly harrassing someone.
I make no apologies for harrassing those who present themselves in word and deed as the enemies of the preborn. and you show your dishonesty by not answering my questios. You want to put words inmy mouth I never spoke, and completely ignore what I have actually said. Anyone with a half a shred of common sence can see who is beinfg dishonest heere. Now quit holding your little cry baby grudge and answer the questions like a man insted of just tattle tailing like some little school boy in short pants. Unless that is what you really are.

reply from: Faramir

You haven't asked any "questions." Your "questions" have "answers" buried in them.
You've asked questions as legitimate as "do you still beat your wife?"
Yeah, I'm a tattle tale, because there is no reasoning with you, and I encourage others to do likewise.

reply from: faithman

You haven't asked any "questions." Your "questions" have "answers" buried in them.
You've asked questions as legitimate as "do you still beat your wife?"
Yeah, I'm a tattle tale, because there is no reasoning with you, and I encourage others to do likewise.
Do you agree with CM that the abortion industry is right that the womb child is not equal to the born child? Do agree with CM that abortion is not murder? Will you join her in her avowed fight against personhood [not just disagreement with] because personhood would establish equality with the born, and all the same laws that aply to killer moms of the born child, would aply to the killer moms of the preborn child? Do you agree with her double standard that mothers who kill their born children go to jail, while killer moms of womb children get a free walk?

reply from: faithman

What attack?
Asking honest questions is an attack....Do you agree with CM that the abortion industry is right that the womb child is not equal to the born child? Do agree with CM that abortion is not murder? Will you join her in her avowed fight against personhood [not just disagreement with] because personhood would establish equality with the born, and all the same laws that aply to killer moms of the born child, would aply to the killer moms of the preborn child? Do you agree with her double standard that mothers who kill their born children go to jail, while killer moms of womb children get a free walk?

reply from: AshMarie88

Amen, thank you! Couldn't have said it any better than that!

reply from: faithman

Amen, thank you! Couldn't have said it any better than that!
Do you agree with CM that the abortion industry is right that the womb child is not equal to the born child? Do agree with CM that abortion is not murder? Will you join her in her avowed fight against personhood [not just disagreement with] because personhood would establish equality with the born, and all the same laws that aply to killer moms of the born child, would aply to the killer moms of the preborn child? Do you agree with her double standard that mothers who kill their born children go to jail, while killer moms of womb children get a free walk?

reply from: AshMarie88

Amen, thank you! Couldn't have said it any better than that!
Do you agree with CM that the abortion industry is right that the womb child is not equal to the born child? Do agree with CM that abortion is not murder? Will you join her in her avowed fight against personhood [not just disagreement with] because personhood would establish equality with the born, and all the same laws that aply to killer moms of the born child, would aply to the killer moms of the preborn child? Do you agree with her double standard that mothers who kill their born children go to jail, while killer moms of womb children get a free walk?
Find her posts for me!

reply from: faithman

Amen, thank you! Couldn't have said it any better than that!
Do you agree with CM that the abortion industry is right that the womb child is not equal to the born child? Do agree with CM that abortion is not murder? Will you join her in her avowed fight against personhood [not just disagreement with] because personhood would establish equality with the born, and all the same laws that aply to killer moms of the born child, would aply to the killer moms of the preborn child? Do you agree with her double standard that mothers who kill their born children go to jail, while killer moms of womb children get a free walk?
Find her posts for me!
Find them your self, and quit ignoring them. In the mean time do you agree with these or not?......Do you agree with CM that the abortion industry is right that the womb child is not equal to the born child? Do agree with CM that abortion is not murder? Will you join her in her avowed fight against personhood [not just disagreement with] because personhood would establish equality with the born, and all the same laws that aply to killer moms of the born child, would aply to the killer moms of the preborn child? Do you agree with her double standard that mothers who kill their born children go to jail, while killer moms of womb children get a free walk?

reply from: AshMarie88

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook.

reply from: faithman

Do you agree with CM that the abortion industry is right that the womb child is not equal to the born child? Do agree with CM that abortion is not murder? Will you join her in her avowed fight against personhood [not just disagreement with] because personhood would establish equality with the born, and all the same laws that aply to killer moms of the born child, would aply to the killer moms of the preborn child? Do you agree with her double standard that mothers who kill their born children go to jail, while killer moms of womb children get a free walk?

reply from: spaceman

Everybuddy stop bulying my friend and stop saying he is mean. He loves gay womb children! and wants killer scancs to be executed and then burn in hell....because he loves wombe children and if he did not hate killer scancs than that could not be justice for the wombboy or wombgirl. He loves even gay womb children and even transvesterite womb childrens, so he knows about luv and stop saying he hates, becuase he only hates the scancs who deserve to be hated,because thats what god wants. Any buddy who does not want killer scancs to get the eclectic chair, be shot, or hung by a roap until dead, is a killer scanc to.

reply from: faithman

Do you agree with CM that the abortion industry is right that the womb child is not equal to the born child? Do agree with CM that abortion is not murder? Will you join her in her avowed fight against personhood [not just disagreement with] because personhood would establish equality with the born, and all the same laws that aply to killer moms of the born child, would aply to the killer moms of the preborn child? Do you agree with her double standard that mothers who kill their born children go to jail, while killer moms of womb children get a free walk?

reply from: nancyu

I guess they are having a hard time answering those questions. This is what they have been fighting for, I think, but I'm afraid some are losing their courage.

reply from: nancyu

Amen, thank you! Couldn't have said it any better than that!
I didn't say it is my job to forgive her. I said that I would personally like to be able to forgive her. Her forgiveness with God is between her and God. Her forgiveness from me is between her and me. And that is none of your business. I only posted this because I got a bunch of pms asking me what was going on. I thought I would try to explain my position. If you all view it as an attack, then that is something within yourself that you need to examine.
When abortion is outlawed, there are things we are going to need to deal with. Women are going to need to grow up and get some courage, because it's not going to be easy. We have been fighting all this time for this and now some of you are backing down, because you don't want women punished. You are going to have to figure out where your priorities are. I'm not evil. I'm telling the truth here. You just are having a hard time hearing it.

reply from: nancyu

Then answer the questions. Do you agree with her that the abortion industry is right that the womb child is not equal to the born child? Are you going to fight personhood if it means it gives the womb child equal status with the born child? Do you agree with killer carole that abortion is not murder? Put you stupid little feelings, and your self righteous indignation aside for a second and objectively answer those questions.
She has a right to her opinion, whatever it is, and anyone who comes here claiming to be a prolifer has a right to express their opinions without being subjected to your verbal molestation.
Anyone else catch this?

reply from: Faramir

I agree that she has the right to express her opinion and not be abused for doing so.

reply from: nancyu

And anyone claiming to be a pro lifer has a right to express her opinion, but those who actually are pro life can not, or they are just being a bully!

reply from: GratiaPlena

Are you seriously suggesting that Carole, galen, lukesmom, Ashmarie, and others are all proaborts? Do you agree that Fr. Frank Pavone, Mark Crutcher, and other pro-life activists are also proaborts because they disagree with you on jailing women?

reply from: nancyu

No. I think they are pro life.
However I am questioning their commitment to having abortion outlawed, because they don't want any women to be punished. Some women will be punished. You can't expect anyone to believe otherwise.
How can you outlaw abortion and turn around and say, but we don't want you to go to jail for it! If they are against jailing women for this, then why do they want it to be outlawed? Are they blind enough to think that the abortionists are the only guilty parties involved? Without mothers going into an abortion clinic, the abortionist would have nothing to do would s/he? Women have to stop being babies about this and face that they are (in most cases) equally guilty. If you had read anything I wrote, instead of what people told you I wrote, you might get it.
They may be pro life, but they are wrong about this.

reply from: GratiaPlena

So where are all the posts calling Mark a pro-death babykilling death scanc? Or is it just Carolemarie who's a death scanc because of something she'd done in the past?

reply from: nancyu

Hello, hello. Is this thing on?

reply from: GratiaPlena

Stop Judging and you will not be judged, stop condemning and you will not be condemned, forgive and you will be forgiven.
Luke 6:37

reply from: galen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnboUbOGDOM

reply from: GratiaPlena

So then stop hinting that Carole's NOT pro-life.

reply from: faithman

So then stop hinting that Carole's NOT pro-life.
I am not hinting, I am saying it. She point blank said that she agreed with the abortion industry that a womb child is not equal to a born child, and that abortion was not murder, and that she would fight [not just disagree with] Personhood if it meant the killer scanc moms like her went to jail for it.

reply from: faithman

No one is doing that here. All we are saying is the preborn should have equal statis with the born. CM say no, and that she would fight it. We believe criminals should be punished, she does not.

reply from: FideiSpeiCaritatis

Wow.
I am completely and utterly disgusted.
I came here hoping to find people likeminded to myself--trying to be the epitome of the definition of being prolife -- upholding the utmost respect for human dignity.
I thought people here would be brainstorming a way to end abortion. One third of my generation is far too many lives lost. Instead I find inner bickering. Satan is laughing at us right now. Thats right, I said US, because I myself am having problems keeping my cool.
You claim to be defending the life of unborn babies. Carol had three abortions, yes. You don't need to call her "Killer Carol" because of it. You are making her feel worse for something that only God can judge, and which she has already sought forgiveness for. As Gratia Plena said before me, "Stop judging and you will not be judged, stop condemning and you will not be condemned. Forgive and you will be forgiven." --Luke 6:37. This is taken from the Sermon on the Plain, where Jesus gave us the Golden Rule "Do to others as you would have them do to you". (Luke 6:31)
He also goes on to state "Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own." Luke 6:41
Someone once told me that people who are closest to God perceive themselves as the worst sinners, because every fault and sin is like a blow to Jesus on the Cross. They also told me that those who think they are without fault are the ones farthest from God.
I do not know what your personal situation is, but you cannot condemn another person to Hell because of what you feel to be right. Another person could say the same about your own shortcomings, even if you fail to see it.
Do you really think that you are going to change her mind by treating her horribly? I really dont think so. When the adulterous woman was about to be stoned by the Jewish people, their rocks were not going to change her ways, rather it was the kindness of one man, choosing to Love instead of Condemn, that converted her. He challenged the people saying "Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her." John, 8:7.
I do not know if Carol is of the wrong mind,... I have not read enough or learned enough. But I do know that you are not respecting her intrinsic human dignity, nor are you truely following the word of God. How can you call yourself pro-life if you cannot even follow all of its meanings?
Carol is fighting for babies lives while abortion remains legal. She is doing more than those who just sit in front of a computer airing opinions. Pray for her success, instead of discouraging her to continue. If you continue to feel that you are of the right mind, and she is not, pray for her change of heart, do not condemn her to Hell. That is what Satan wants. God wants you to pray, not Condemn.
I will pray for you.
FSC

reply from: GratiaPlena

I was talking to Nancy when I said that, because she IS hinting that Carole isn't pro-life.
And I'm still waiting for the quote that says Carole is anti-personhood.

reply from: GratiaPlena

No, you're calling her a killer mom, even though she's repented of her abortions.
That would be judging, dear.

reply from: sander

That's an awful lot said for someone who "just got here and hasn't read or learned enough".
Maybe you should do that first and then preach your sermon. Just saying.

reply from: FideiSpeiCaritatis

I have read this thread in its entirity, and part of another one. I knew enough to know what I wanted to say.
What I don't know in its entirity are the entire cirucumstances around Carol and NancyU, because I have not looked up every single one of their posts. I also do not know every single thing that has been said on this board, knowledge I am lacking.
That lack of knowledge does not change the fact that what I said NEEDED to be said. I did not say anything that I do not have substantial evidence for needing to say.

reply from: yoda

Some are, and some say they are not. Some brag that they feel wonderful about their abortions, and some simply say it doesn't bother them at all. You just can't lump them all into one category.

reply from: yoda

Well, at least she seems to be aware of them.......

reply from: sander

I have read this thread in its entirity, and part of another one. I knew enough to know what I wanted to say.
What I don't know in its entirity are the entire cirucumstances around Carol and NancyU, because I have not looked up every single one of their posts. I also do not know every single thing that has been said on this board, knowledge I am lacking.
That lack of knowledge does not change the fact that what I said NEEDED to be said. I did not say anything that I do not have substantial evidence for needing to say.
Okay. 'nuf said.

reply from: yoda

There is a vast difference in attacking positions and attacking personalities.
CM's positions are no secret, and if it bothers you that her positions are being criticized, you ought to be more aware of what they are. One of them is that she is opposed to personhood, and another is that she has insisted that killing a baby is "not the same" as killing a born child. On those two issues, I disagree with her 100%.

reply from: Faramir

Some are, and some say they are not. Some brag that they feel wonderful about their abortions, and some simply say it doesn't bother them at all. You just can't lump them all into one category.
The above is an example of how you can give an entirely different meanign to statement taken out of context, and then responding to it.
Below is the totality of her statement, and IN CONTEXT it is obvious she is referring to carolemarie, and not to postabortive women in general, as per your mischaracterization:
Besides the context of her entire statement, there is also the context of this entire thread.
"A text without a context is a pretext," meaning that if you take just part of what somebody says, you can make it mean just about whatever you want it to, and you're very adept at doing that, sir.

reply from: sheri

FSC, for only being here a short while you sure hit the nail on the head.

reply from: Faramir

Well, at least she seems to be aware of them.......
A text without a context...
Shame on you.

reply from: yoda

Sorry, no one here has any rights not expressly awarded to them by the forum owners. You log on here and express your opinions, and then you take your chances on what the responses will be. Don't like that? Tough!

reply from: yoda

Yeah, that's pretty easy to do, all right.

reply from: Faramir

Ditto.
I don't care if he does preach a sermon as a newb.
He is spot on.
Who would expect a prolife forum to be so hateful?

reply from: yoda

"judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24) He praised a man (Luke 7:43) who could "rightly judge" a matter of the heart. Paul shamed the Corinthian Christians because no one among them was willing to "judge the smallest matters" (1 Cor. 6:2). As the Apostle wrote, "He who is spiritual judges all things" for "we have the mind of Christ" (1 Cor. 2:15â€'16).

reply from: FideiSpeiCaritatis

Ditto.
I don't care if he does preach a sermon as a newb.
He is spot on.
Who would expect a prolife forum to be so hateful?
Thank you, but I am female.

reply from: yoda

You really need to specify whom you are addressing with the pronoun "you", and it would also be nice if you would assure us that you are not a regular poster trolling here under a new name, since you have jumped right in with both feet in the middle of this dispute.

reply from: FideiSpeiCaritatis

"judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24) He praised a man (Luke 7:43) who could "rightly judge" a matter of the heart. Paul shamed the Corinthian Christians because no one among them was willing to "judge the smallest matters" (1 Cor. 6:2). As the Apostle wrote, "He who is spiritual judges all things" for "we have the mind of Christ" (1 Cor. 2:15â€'16).
Please, see my post at the top of this page.

reply from: Faramir

Ditto.
I don't care if he does preach a sermon as a newb.
He is spot on.
Who would expect a prolife forum to be so hateful?
Thank you, but I am female.
Oops, sorry.
My sexism is showing. You did that "like a man."
Sorry again...maybe that's not a compliment.
I better go before I get in this any deeper...

reply from: yoda

Actually, it suggests that you probably know a whole lot more than you are letting on, and that you have posted here before under a different name.

reply from: yoda

Yes, and I find that rather curious......

reply from: Faramir

You really need to specify whom you are addressing with the pronoun "you", and it would also be nice if you would assure us that you are not a regular poster trolling here under a new name, since you have jumped right in with both feet in the middle of this dispute.
Hey Fidei,
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
He doesn't own this place. He just acts like he does.

reply from: yoda

Been there, done that....... under what name have you posted here before?

reply from: yoda

That's right... you do. We've all known that all along.....

reply from: FideiSpeiCaritatis

You really need to specify whom you are addressing with the pronoun "you", and it would also be nice if you would assure us that you are not a regular poster trolling here under a new name, since you have jumped right in with both feet in the middle of this dispute.
My "you" was the obiquitous you, encompassing all who fit the criteria at the time. I'm sorry that I dont have names memorized in alphabetical order yet.
I have never visited this forum before tonight. I was searching for pro-life information via google and happened upon this site. I lurked for awhile and became disgusted at a few things I saw, joined, and posted. In that order.
Pax Christi

reply from: Faramir

Yes, and I find that rather curious......
Be very scared...
I think she could be a proabort flying around in one of them black helicopters.

reply from: FideiSpeiCaritatis

Been there, done that....... under what name have you posted here before?
Since you are so convinced that I have been here before, why dont you, as "CEO" ... I presume that means admin, go to that handy page that all forums have and compare my IP address to all others? I doubt that there is another pro-lifer on here from my area.

reply from: FideiSpeiCaritatis

Yes, and I find that rather curious......
Be very scared...
I think she could be a proabort flying around in one of them black helicopters.
If I had been drinking from my water bottle when I read that, I would be needing to buy a new computer right about now.

reply from: galen

CEO only means he has been here a long time...
everyone here tends to be curios about new members... untill it is plain what side of the road they are on.

reply from: sander

That's right... you do. We've all known that all along.....
My, my, my.
Let's see what can be inferred by that!

reply from: FideiSpeiCaritatis

Oh. Thank you for the clarification. If he really is not convinced that I am new, perhaps he can coerce the admin into checking. Otherwise I dont know any other way besides the Truth. I'm a big fan of Veritas you know.

reply from: Faramir

You really need to specify whom you are addressing with the pronoun "you", and it would also be nice if you would assure us that you are not a regular poster trolling here under a new name, since you have jumped right in with both feet in the middle of this dispute.
My "you" was the obiquitous you, encompassing all who fit the criteria at the time. I'm sorry that I dont have names memorized in alphabetical order yet.
I have never visited this forum before tonight. I was searching for pro-life information via google and happened upon this site. I lurked for awhile and became disgusted at a few things I saw, joined, and posted. In that order.
Pax Christi
We don't take kindly to strangers around here, especially when they're uppity like you.
And how do we know you are what you say you are? I think you could be one of them pro abort death scancs pretendin to be one of us.
You got any proof you're prolife Ms fancyname?

reply from: galen

the inquiry people? or the college group?

reply from: sander

You really need to specify whom you are addressing with the pronoun "you", and it would also be nice if you would assure us that you are not a regular poster trolling here under a new name, since you have jumped right in with both feet in the middle of this dispute.
My "you" was the obiquitous you, encompassing all who fit the criteria at the time. I'm sorry that I dont have names memorized in alphabetical order yet.
I have never visited this forum before tonight. I was searching for pro-life information via google and happened upon this site. I lurked for awhile and became disgusted at a few things I saw, joined, and posted. In that order.
Pax Christi
Well, gee, aren't we lucky.
An in your face, bad, bad, people, I know better then the rest of you poor slobs, who aren't proably really pro life, post right off the bat.
Could you do us a favor, try and get to know people before you "judge" right out of the shoot.
It really will lend yourself a little more credibility.

reply from: GratiaPlena

It's been over a minute and still no response...
She MUST be a proabort!

reply from: FideiSpeiCaritatis

You really need to specify whom you are addressing with the pronoun "you", and it would also be nice if you would assure us that you are not a regular poster trolling here under a new name, since you have jumped right in with both feet in the middle of this dispute.
My "you" was the obiquitous you, encompassing all who fit the criteria at the time. I'm sorry that I dont have names memorized in alphabetical order yet.
I have never visited this forum before tonight. I was searching for pro-life information via google and happened upon this site. I lurked for awhile and became disgusted at a few things I saw, joined, and posted. In that order.
Pax Christi
We don't take kindly to strangers around here, especially when they're uppity like you.
And how do we know you are what you say you are? I think you could be one of them pro abort death scancs pretendin to be one of us.
You got any proof you're prolife Ms fancyname?
I'm not going to apologise for being blunt. It's the way God made me and the way that I'm staying.
I also do not like to give out personal information via the internet. I will tell you that I am staunchly Catholic, in alignment with Orthodox Church teachings. This means that I am pro-life in every sense of the word. Anti-abortion, anti-euthanasia, and for the protection of human dignity.

reply from: yoda

I seriously doubt if anyone here would agree that they fit your "criteria", so your lack of specificity indicates that you were attacking everyone here.
Right..... and you've got some oceanfront property in Arizona, I'll bet....

reply from: yoda

Now you're being UNreasonable!! That would seriously delay their taking sides and stirring the pot........ you really don't expect any "new" posters to hold back, do you?

reply from: FideiSpeiCaritatis

You really need to specify whom you are addressing with the pronoun "you", and it would also be nice if you would assure us that you are not a regular poster trolling here under a new name, since you have jumped right in with both feet in the middle of this dispute.
My "you" was the obiquitous you, encompassing all who fit the criteria at the time. I'm sorry that I dont have names memorized in alphabetical order yet.
I have never visited this forum before tonight. I was searching for pro-life information via google and happened upon this site. I lurked for awhile and became disgusted at a few things I saw, joined, and posted. In that order.
Pax Christi
Well, gee, aren't we lucky.
An in your face, bad, bad, people, I know better then the rest of you poor slobs, who aren't proably really pro life, post right off the bat.
Could you do us a favor, try and get to know people before you "judge" right out of the shoot.
It really will lend yourself a little more credibility.
I'm not condemning. Excuse me. I was bring up the words of Jesus to this forum, because it seemed as if Carol needed some defending from the people judging her. Let me try to live up to the words I said, before you judge me for not practicing what I preached. Please say where I "judged" any of you?
I feel so welcome.

reply from: FideiSpeiCaritatis

I seriously doubt if anyone here would agree that they fit your "criteria", so your lack of specificity indicates that you were attacking everyone here.
Right..... and you've got some oceanfront property in Arizona, I'll bet....
Wow.
Are you this cynical to everyone you meet? It could be really difficult to make friends this way. Why dont you try watching what I do before insinuating my intentions.
I do not live in Arizona. We actually still have snow on the ground, thanks.

reply from: Faramir

You really need to specify whom you are addressing with the pronoun "you", and it would also be nice if you would assure us that you are not a regular poster trolling here under a new name, since you have jumped right in with both feet in the middle of this dispute.
My "you" was the obiquitous you, encompassing all who fit the criteria at the time. I'm sorry that I dont have names memorized in alphabetical order yet.
I have never visited this forum before tonight. I was searching for pro-life information via google and happened upon this site. I lurked for awhile and became disgusted at a few things I saw, joined, and posted. In that order.
Pax Christi
We don't take kindly to strangers around here, especially when they're uppity like you.
And how do we know you are what you say you are? I think you could be one of them pro abort death scancs pretendin to be one of us.
You got any proof you're prolife Ms fancyname?
I'm not going to apologise for being blunt. It's the way God made me and the way that I'm staying.
I also do not like to give out personal information via the internet. I will tell you that I am staunchly Catholic, in alignment with Orthodox Church teachings. This means that I am pro-life in every sense of the word. Anti-abortion, anti-euthanasia, and for the protection of human dignity.
Dude,
I was joking with you, and poking fun at my friends here who gave me the same kind of welcome.
Seriously, welcome to this board. I hope you will hang around, because it's already a better place with your presence, and I really mean that.

reply from: FideiSpeiCaritatis

You really need to specify whom you are addressing with the pronoun "you", and it would also be nice if you would assure us that you are not a regular poster trolling here under a new name, since you have jumped right in with both feet in the middle of this dispute.
My "you" was the obiquitous you, encompassing all who fit the criteria at the time. I'm sorry that I dont have names memorized in alphabetical order yet.
I have never visited this forum before tonight. I was searching for pro-life information via google and happened upon this site. I lurked for awhile and became disgusted at a few things I saw, joined, and posted. In that order.
Pax Christi
We don't take kindly to strangers around here, especially when they're uppity like you.
And how do we know you are what you say you are? I think you could be one of them pro abort death scancs pretendin to be one of us.
You got any proof you're prolife Ms fancyname?
I'm not going to apologise for being blunt. It's the way God made me and the way that I'm staying.
I also do not like to give out personal information via the internet. I will tell you that I am staunchly Catholic, in alignment with Orthodox Church teachings. This means that I am pro-life in every sense of the word. Anti-abortion, anti-euthanasia, and for the protection of human dignity.
Dude,
I was joking with you, and poking fun at my friends here who gave me the same kind of welcome.
Seriously, welcome to this board. I hope you will hang around, because it's already a better place with your presence, and I really mean that.
Dudette.
To be completely honest, I was kind of expecting this sort of reception, because of the seriousness of my First Post.
I was NOT expecting to have my intentions or credibility questioned.
I realize you were joking..... I was just trying to defend myself. A little over the top, I guess.

reply from: yoda

Nah, just the newbies who come in with guns blazing, acting as if they knew everyone already...... your tactic is rather transparent.

reply from: sander

That's exactly what we did. Some of us thought your intentions were good and some of are suspect.
That's life.

reply from: Faramir

I can assure you he was at least this cynical with me, and still is. In fact, I think he thinks I'm a secret agent from Planned Parenthood.
Don't mind him, though. After awhile it becomes charming, sort of.
Ok, not really...it's very irritating. But that's the least of some of what you would not expect from fellow prolifers, as you will find out if you stay longer.
Don't say I didn't warn you.

reply from: sander

Nah, just the newbies who come in with guns blazing, acting as if they knew everyone already...... your tactic is rather transparent.
Are you saying we've seen that before, Yoda?

reply from: FideiSpeiCaritatis

Nah, just the newbies who come in with guns blazing, acting as if they knew everyone already...... your tactic is rather transparent.
I'm just glad that you won't be the one sitting in that seat of judgment.

reply from: FideiSpeiCaritatis

I can assure you he was at least this cynical with me, and still is. In fact, I think he thinks I'm a secret agent from Planned Parenthood.
Don't mind him, though. After awhile it becomes charming, sort of.
Ok, not really...it's very irritating. But that's the least of some of what you would not expect from fellow prolifers, as you will find out if you stay longer.
Don't say I didn't warn you.
Thanks, Faramir, I'll try not to mind him.
Not the least? I might just stick around longer to find out what you mean by that. Someone has to... right?

reply from: joe

Apply the golden rule to the unborn, the ones that are being slaughtered while you preach your false doctrine of forgiveness.
There is only one thing Carol must do....equate the unborn to the born.. If she can truly honor the unborn with this simple step it all ends. Why does she let it persist on this board by stating her beliefs that dehumanize the unborn, she can easily avoid such statements and issues. She choices to expose beliefs that are deadly to the unborn...literally.

reply from: FideiSpeiCaritatis

Apply the golden rule to the unborn, the ones that are being slaughtered while you preach your false doctrine of forgiveness.
There is only one thing Carol must do....equate the unborn to the born.. If she can truly honor the unborn with this simple step it all ends. Why does she let it persist on this board by stating her beliefs that dehumanize the unborn, she can easily avoid such statements and issues. She choices to expose beliefs that are deadly to the unborn...literally.
My FALSE doctine of forgiveness? So glad to know that Jesus' doctrine is FALSE.
I said in my statement that I did not know all factors, this position of Carols was one of them. HOWEVER, this opinion does not make her deserving of the treatment people were giving her.
You did not post all of my reply. If you had kept this part in, or even read it, you'd have the answer to your attack.
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reply from: galen

And so Joe jumps in and stirs the soup....

reply from: yoda

But that is one VERY BIG thing... in fact, I think it is at the very heart of the prolife movement.... I know it means everything to me.

reply from: yoda

Yeah, I'm afraid so........ same tactic, different names...... same song, different verse....

reply from: joe

Jesus' teaching is absolute, your interpretation is false. Carol can end it all and make peace with all pro-life advocates here by avoiding statements that dehumanize the unborn. I sure hope she does and give peace to this board. Some here love the unborn and will not allow them to be dishonored at any cost.

reply from: joe

But that is one VERY BIG thing... in fact, I think it is at the very heart of the prolife movement.... I know it means everything to me.
I agree. This in my opinion should be the goal and passion of every pro-life advocate.

reply from: FideiSpeiCaritatis

Jesus' teaching is absolute, your interpretation is false. Carol can end it all and make peace with all pro-life advocates here by avoiding statements that dehumanize the unborn. I sure hope she does and give peace to this board. Some here love the unborn and will not allow them to be dishonored at any cost.
The way you word this makes it seem as if she is in the absolute wrong, and that no one is doing anything against her. Her opinion may be wrong, and I'm sure what you say about those people and the unborn is true, but the way these people are trying to get her to change heart is against Jesus's teaching.
My post was not intended toward one set of people. It was intended toward all. The golden rule applys to all, including the innocent babes. Jesus's teachings apply to all, and it is not our place to judge another, especially if we sin in doing so. "Thou shalt not kill" does not mean killing of the flesh, it also means killing of the soul. The way people were going about disproving her beliefs was in a manner that was killing her soul, her human dignity.
Get back to me when you remove your own plank.

reply from: yoda

Exactly, Joe. And "passion" to protect the unborn is the thing that seems to be missing in some of these discussions, isn't it?

reply from: Faramir

Exactly, Joe. And "passion" to protect the unborn is the thing that seems to be missing in some of these discussions, isn't it?
Is continually calling carolemarie a "killer" what you would call "passion" and do you think it is a good thing to do?

reply from: joe

I want peace but my obligation to the unborn is first and foremost. Any statement that dehumanizes them must be rebuked. Carol is doing good work for the unborn and that is appreciated, but she should be careful with her words (well meaning but mislead.) Maybe she just does not realize how dangerous her doctrine is?

reply from: FideiSpeiCaritatis

I'm really curious as to which of you would be the first to throw that rock....

reply from: yoda

No. Not posting anything against abortion, but posting many, many posts on other personal matters for 24 hours is what I would call a lack of passion.

reply from: sander

Exactly, Joe. And "passion" to protect the unborn is the thing that seems to be missing in some of these discussions, isn't it?
From what I can tell, there's only a certain level of passion allowed in certain ways to be expressed...all limited of course, according to someone's arbitrary idea.

reply from: yoda

Same here, Joe. I wonder if we should take a poll to see if others here agree with that?

reply from: sander

Same here, Joe. I wonder if we should take a poll to see if others here agree with that?
Sure.
But, I'm not sure if I'm up for getting skinned alive again.

reply from: joe

Most here seem to have already forgiven her for killing three innocent human beings, forgiveness is not the issue. Her doctrine is, it is not just an opinion...it is dangerous and to support her in words or silence will mean blood on my hands. I will not stand guilty before God on this issue and will treat the unborn with honor.
Peace will be made here is she can be careful not to make statements against the unborn. She may not understand our point of view but it is imperative to our principals that the unborn are equal and deserve protection. Let her make peace, most have already stretched out their hands.

reply from: joe

None. Many of us will stand in front of the unborn while the rocks are being thrown.

reply from: FideiSpeiCaritatis

None. Many of us will stand in front of the unborn while the rocks are being thrown.
Wow. The scripture passage doesnt even apply to the unborn because they are not being accused of sin. It applies to Carol because you are denouncing her sin when you are not sinless yourself.
Besides, the baby themselves are sinless. If Carol says something differently, then I will take it up with her when she is online, but you dont have to jump down MY throat.

reply from: joe

No. Not posting anything against abortion, but posting many, many posts on other personal matters for 24 hours is what I would call a lack of passion.
Faramir, you do seem to be here only for enjoyment and no other reason. Honestly you do seem to enjoy getting in the "middle" of debates with no indication that defending the unborn is a priority to you.

reply from: joe

None. Many of us will stand in front of the unborn while the rocks are being thrown.
Wow. The scripture passage doesnt even apply to the unborn because they are not being accused of sin. It applies to Carol because you are denouncing her sin when you are not sinless yourself.
Besides, the baby themselves are sinless. If Carol says something differently, then I will take it up with her when she is online, but you dont have to jump down MY throat.
Nobody is "stoning" Carol. We are defending the unborn against doctrines that lead to the slaughter of the innocent. Your passage was irrelevant from the beginning.

reply from: FideiSpeiCaritatis

None. Many of us will stand in front of the unborn while the rocks are being thrown.
Wow. The scripture passage doesnt even apply to the unborn because they are not being accused of sin. It applies to Carol because you are denouncing her sin when you are not sinless yourself.
Besides, the baby themselves are sinless. If Carol says something differently, then I will take it up with her when she is online, but you dont have to jump down MY throat.
Nobody is "stoning" Carol. We are defending the unborn against doctrines that lead to the slaughter of the innocent. Your passage was irrelevant from the beginning.
Really?
Why dont you read the thread from the beginning, then.

reply from: joe

None. Many of us will stand in front of the unborn while the rocks are being thrown.
Wow. The scripture passage doesnt even apply to the unborn because they are not being accused of sin. It applies to Carol because you are denouncing her sin when you are not sinless yourself.
Besides, the baby themselves are sinless. If Carol says something differently, then I will take it up with her when she is online, but you dont have to jump down MY throat.
Nobody is "stoning" Carol. We are defending the unborn against doctrines that lead to the slaughter of the innocent. Your passage was irrelevant from the beginning.
Really?
Why dont you read the thread from the beginning, then.
This "problem" goes well beyond this thread. I suggest doing some research before judging those that stand with the innocent.

reply from: Faramir

No. Not posting anything against abortion, but posting many, many posts on other personal matters for 24 hours is what I would call a lack of passion.
Faramir, you do seem to be here only for enjoyment and no other reason. Honestly you do seem to enjoy getting in the "middle" of debates with no indication that defending the unborn is a priority to you.
That wasn't my intention when I came here. It just kind of worked out that way. And yes, I'm having some fun with this.
Why should faithman have all the fun?

reply from: FideiSpeiCaritatis

None. Many of us will stand in front of the unborn while the rocks are being thrown.
Wow. The scripture passage doesnt even apply to the unborn because they are not being accused of sin. It applies to Carol because you are denouncing her sin when you are not sinless yourself.
Besides, the baby themselves are sinless. If Carol says something differently, then I will take it up with her when she is online, but you dont have to jump down MY throat.
Nobody is "stoning" Carol. We are defending the unborn against doctrines that lead to the slaughter of the innocent. Your passage was irrelevant from the beginning.
Really?
Why dont you read the thread from the beginning, then.
This "problem" goes well beyond this thread. I suggest doing some research before judging those that stand with the innocent.
That does not excuse the way she's being treated.

reply from: Faramir

Did you miss the thread yesterday when several ganged up on her and mercilessly beat on her verbally?
Have you not noticed the ill treatment she gets, especially from one poster who regularly calls her a "killer"?
There is no excuse for that, regardless of whatever her beliefs or ideas are, which are pretty much in-line with mainstream prolifers.

reply from: joe

No. Not posting anything against abortion, but posting many, many posts on other personal matters for 24 hours is what I would call a lack of passion.
Faramir, you do seem to be here only for enjoyment and no other reason. Honestly you do seem to enjoy getting in the "middle" of debates with no indication that defending the unborn is a priority to you.
That wasn't my intention when I came here. It just kind of worked out that way. And yes, I'm having some fun with this.
Why should faithman have all the fun?
You may be having fun but there are others that are being affected by this and probably would not appreciate what you are doing.
P.S. Your signature is false.

reply from: joe

Did you miss the thread yesterday when several ganged up on her and mercilessly beat on her verbally?
Have you not noticed the ill treatment she gets, especially from one poster who regularly calls her a "killer"?
There is no excuse for that, regardless of whatever her beliefs or ideas are, which are pretty much in-line with mainstream prolifers.
Defending the unborn is not an excuse...it is the very reason some are here. She can end it all...I hope she does.

reply from: faithman

OOOOOOOOOHHHH let me, let me..... CM is a baby killer who agrees with the abortion industry that womb children are not equal to born children, and has vowed to fight personhood if it means killer scancs like herself go to jail, and has a double standard by saying killer scanc moms of born children should go to jail, but killer scanc moms of the preborn like herself get a free walk.... Hows that?

reply from: galen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viFvXzy3NkE&NR=1

reply from: nancyu

http://ewtn.com/faith/teachings/judgb1.htm

reply from: yoda

Ah, so you have no control over how you post? Well, that explains a lot.

reply from: sander

Ah, so you have no control over how you post? Well, that explains a lot.
And yet he has a list of those who should post the way HE sees fit...ah, I get it..he only wants to control others, no surprise.

reply from: faithman

Ah, so you have no control over how you post? Well, that explains a lot.
And yet he has a list of those who should post the way HE sees fit...ah, I get it..he only wants to control others, no surprise.
And yet I get accused of "controling the board"!!! snicker snicker... gotta love the hyprocracy

reply from: RedTaintedRose

Literacy isn't exactly your forte is it faithfreak? psycho.

reply from: galen

OMG not this again....
can't you people go chew maggots someplace.

reply from: sander

Actually, nobody has said a thing since this morning.
I forgot about it til it just now got bumped.

reply from: 4given

It is true to the pro-abortion make-up.. Distract- spill- contaminate- slither on.. whatever divides attention I suppose.

reply from: RedTaintedRose

Why do that when there are plenty here and new larva all the time. Like you.

reply from: RedTaintedRose

For some reason all you seem the think its cool to support someone wanting to kill other people merely for their stance on a sociopolitical issue but try to claim you are somehow pro life.
Pro life is all life lamebrain.
Supporting faithfreaks many many times stated desire to kill every woman, ever notice he never goes after the pro choice men?, is not exactly being pro-life.
Faithfreak hates women, is wildly jealous we can get pregnant, he'd make a good serial killer, probably is one.
I ran some of his posts by a psychology professor and 'unbalanced' is one of the words she used 'dangerous' is another one.
Support killing women if you like but don't try to pass yourselves off as 'pro life' because you are not pro life at all.
You are pro-lies, pro-control, pro-hatred but you are nothing remotely resembling good nor are your intentions in any way noble.
Watching you repeatedly shoot yourselves in the foot has been an amusement for a long while now.
oh ya just for the little mental midget who decided that a fetus is sentient long before the area of the brain that recognizes self is developed.. its called relexes you moron.
just an FYI for you.

reply from: nancyu

Did you miss the thread yesterday when several ganged up on her and mercilessly beat on her verbally?
Have you not noticed the ill treatment she gets, especially from one poster who regularly calls her a "killer"?
There is no excuse for that, regardless of whatever her beliefs or ideas are, which are pretty much in-line with mainstream prolifers.
Defending the unborn is not an excuse...it is the very reason some are here. She can end it all...I hope she does.

reply from: cracrat

Literacy isn't exactly your forte is it faithfreak? psycho.
Clearly not yours either, that post is from spaceman.


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