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11 week ultrasound, there's no denying it.

by: teddybearhamster

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i wanted to share this eleven week ultrasound photo with everyone. there is no denying this little baby of mine who is due in november is a person. you can see the head, body, the feet. i think it is so cute and precious to me. i don't see how this baby could be mistaken for a blob or denied personhood.

reply from: faithman

Your post worked great!!!!! Good Jod!!! Ask killer carole why she would deny personhood just because their murderers might have to meat justice?!!

reply from: sander

OMG!!! Teddy, you're pregnant! That's YOUR baby!! Thanks so much for sharing!
And is that Lizzie in the other pictures? She is without doubt, a perfect DOLL BABY!
She's too cute for words!
OMG, I just thought of something, you're due one month after my daughter-in-law!
She's due in October and just called me and said her ultra sound is set up for May 29th and I'm invited!! YIPEE!
Thanks again, Teddy! Your sweet baby looks so safe and comfortable.

reply from: teddybearhamster

yes i am. lizzie and this baby will be exactly 18 months apart. i've been criticized by some for having two so close together but i like that they are so close in age. and yes, the other pictures are my lizzie.

reply from: sander

Congratulations!
I had my three babies in less than three years! It was a handful, but now they are close to one another and I love that!
It was sweet of you to share in your happiness. God bless your darling little family.

reply from: teddybearhamster

that's what i want too. i want them to be close. my sister was four years older and we weren't close. it was kind of lonely.

reply from: sander

I'm sure your children will be close, you'll set the example and encourage it.
I brought my third baby home on my second child's first birthday and then there was this darling little 27 month old running around the house!
Now, they're all grown up and one is a parent and another is about to be...the joys of being a grandparent make up for all the sleepless nights, especially the ones thru the teen years.
I'm looking foward to hearing all about the progress of your new little one.

reply from: teddybearhamster

thanks. i'm wondering how lizzie will react to having to share mommy with someone else. i think she'll be a great big sister though.

reply from: sander

Oh, she'll love it. Mommy will be bringing home another real live baby doll!
Children adjust so easily and with all the love you give her, she'll adjust all the more readily. She's confident in her mommy's love. So, no worries.

reply from: 4given

Congratulations! Having them close is the best way to have them- I had 3 in 3 years. Nevermind the negative comments- There are almost always plenty of them. I heard them as well- and the "My you have your hands full.." bit as well. She will do great. They all play so well together still and are so much closer than my siblings and I were. There is no greater joy! Congratulations TeddyBear!

reply from: 4given

So you had Irish twins? Is that what it's called? Yeah- I didn't really think that they would all be teenagers together! Let the fun begin!.. Congrats to you also Grandma! My Mom doesn't have the real benefit, as her youngest is less than 2 years older than my eldest.. There is nothing like a baby! I wish they didn't grow so fast..

reply from: teddybearhamster

thanks. i think the people who have made the negative comments to me are well meaning because they know i want to go to college but these babies won't interfere with that, thanks to the internet. plus while they are little i actually do want to stay home until they go to school anyways. they just don't realize this though.

reply from: sander

Thanks, 4Given!
Looking forward to a new grandbaby!
I never heard it called "Irish twins", but it did feel like triplets on some days.
And yeah, three teenagers...my oh my, I'm still not sure how I survived that! Lots of prayer and trusting God had to be why!

reply from: teddybearhamster

that's funny. my boyfriends family is irish and that's what they said to me.

reply from: faithman

I have a brother a year and 2 months older, and a brother that is a year and 2 weeks younger. We had great adventures going up, and kept mom busy with our capers. we really could cook up some mistchif. We weren't just brothers, but good friends as well. Mainly because we were so close in age.

reply from: teddybearhamster

that's what i want, for them to be friends.

reply from: 4given

I can only imagine what you boys were up to! Luckily mine are still directable.. but as you may recall, they wanted to duct tape I AM A PERSON cards to the pro-abort neighbors mailboxes.. I know they are still respectful of my.. NO! But I know that will fade as they mature.. Shopping with them and the rearranging of the bikini clad mannequins with oddities that included baby clothes.. Luckily they were able to put it back before we got any looks... I know I will laugh about it someday.. And they did this silently.. choking back their laughter as I was less than 2 feet away! Merry pranksters. I should use it to my benefit..Ideas?

reply from: 4given

I hope to have you around in a few.. because I know I will have some questions! Not only w/ my boys, but my brother is here quite often.. Prayer and trust. I will start there... and start praying now!

reply from: sander

Oh my gosh, that is too funny! I'm laughing out loud at the thought of them dressing the mannequins!!
My idea, don't postpone the laughter...go ahead and laugh now! That was priceless.

reply from: faithman

I can only imagine what you boys were up to! Luckily mine are still directable.. but as you may recall, they wanted to duct tape I AM A PERSON cards to the pro-abort neighbors mailboxes.. I know they are still respectful of my.. NO! But I know that will fade as they mature.. Shopping with them and the rearranging of the bikini clad mannequins with oddities that included baby clothes.. Luckily they were able to put it back before we got any looks... I know I will laugh about it someday.. And they did this silently.. choking back their laughter as I was less than 2 feet away! Merry pranksters. I should use it to my benefit..Ideas?
Give them tracts so they can put it in the clothes and tupper ware in the store. we use to slip them in the six packs too. But kidds as young as yours would draw toomuch attention for that one. Get spray adhesive, and put IAAP cards on church doors. Make sure it is the glass ones so the glue get washed off easy, and don't ruin paint. you can do the same on fast food retaruant doors. You can do it in seconds, and boys their age are quick. You gotta let um do a little pranksta or it will only get done in more devious ways later. It might even be fun for mom to drive the "get away" car. There is worse things than being a pro-life wheel man.

reply from: sander

I hope to have you around in a few.. because I know I will have some questions! Not only w/ my boys, but my brother is here quite often.. Prayer and trust. I will start there... and start praying now!
I hope to be around for you in a few.
But, I'll give you a little advance advice.
I use to pray for God to show me what my teens were up to, after all, how could I stop or prevent what I didn't know.
After a month or so of having that prayer answered, I had a change of heart!
I then asked God to ignore previous request!
I opted to allow Him to know all the little details and I'll proceed on the "need to know" basis, thank you!
I'm glad I did...trust in Him, He has your children in His Palm.

reply from: teddybearhamster

that's a good idea. get them pro life young and it will probably always be a value that's important to them.

reply from: 4given

They are awesome! Never a dull moment. They play well, but fight well also.
As Sander said- continue to be the example. I am sure your baby girl is secure in your love for her. Isn't it awesome when you actually can be the parent you wish you had? The little stuff doesn't matter.. An exhausting 6 months or so, as a baby changes everything- but for the better! Life is so much better when blessed with children! And about school- I intended to finish my schooling when my baby went to school.. I have yet to accomplish that, but I know God needs me to be here for our foster, as He also knew we needed him. It will all work out. I may be doing some schooling with you! Whatever goals you have don't go away with a baby- Things change. You may find that you actually were meant to do something else.. Parenthood is fun to say the least!

reply from: teddybearhamster

that's how i feel too. i know i can still get an education with my babies. i have time. i don't plan to be working for four to five years anyways so i can be a stay at home mom while they are so little. school can be done on the internet.

reply from: 4given

I know. I had to do the mouth covering bit.. As I do with my little one when he tries to back chat.. I am sure you remember.. Turning your head away so you can hide the humor you get from their willful disobedience.. Only happens when they are young though right? They come up with the most humorous things.. and hearing their interpretation of us- the bad guys.. listening to my son at 5 telling his brother to not flush Junior Asparugus or "Mom will have angry eyebrows." I still think of that when in their disobedience I am indeed frowning.. Aye! Every bit worth it. And thank you so much for appreciating and understanding that!
As far as the pro-life mission goes- Ideas? How can I put their desire to be creative to God's (good) use? They put IAAP cards on the grocery cart inserts where advertisements usually go..

reply from: galen

Congrats to you!
don't worry about school... my sister got both her BS and masters in sociology while having 2 kids.

reply from: faithman

I know. I had to do the mouth covering bit.. As I do with my little one when he tries to back chat.. I am sure you remember.. Turning your head away so you can hide the humor you get from their willful disobedience.. Only happens when they are young though right? They come up with the most humorous things.. and hearing their interpretation of us- the bad guys.. listening to my son at 5 telling his brother to not flush Junior Asparugus or "Mom will have angry eyebrows." I still think of that when in their disobedience I am indeed frowning.. Aye! Every bit worth it. And thank you so much for appreciating and understanding that!
As far as the pro-life mission goes- Ideas? How can I put their desire to be creative to God's (good) use? They put IAAP cards on the grocery cart inserts where advertisements usually go..
Give them tracts so they can put it in the clothes and tupper ware in the store.

reply from: teddybearhamster

one more quick note before i retire for the evening. the little person in the ultrasound has a name too. if it's a boy his name will be sydney and if it's a girl her name will be victoria.

reply from: 4given

So will you have another ultrasound later? Will you find out the sex? I did.. Others like the surprise. Both names fit well with Lizzie. Is that her name, or is it Elizabeth- (consecrated (one with) God)?

reply from: cracrat

That's an appallingly derogative phrase. You should be ashamed of yourself.

reply from: JasonFontaine

Congrats! How beautiful and lucky you are!
Remember - even at 1 second - you baby was alive.
The egg - with no head, no legs and no mouth to be fed - is not dead.
I say this is so important because many people think it must look like a baby to be "alive" somehow. It's alive the minute conception begins and a clump of cells begins forming a life....
Congrats!

reply from: nancyu

Congratulations! I am so happy for you and your family! Your baby is beautiful.

reply from: 4given

To whom? The Irish? My Irish blood isn't offended. The Catholics? My Catholic understanding (of birth control and abortion)is not offended. An Irish Catholic with 4 children in 40 months- introduced me to that phrase. It was not my intention to offend with this comment though... I actually come from a rather large family and was reared in a community of faith that says bc and abortion are a sin against God. The Finnish community refers to their quiver as a "baker's dozen". Is that an insult to Baker's? Is it an insult to those parents that have had 2 children within a calendar year? What is appalling about having children as they were given? Irish or not?

reply from: Teresa18

Congrats TBH! How exciting! I want to have a large family some day. Everyone thinks I'm nuts, but I come from a small family and am an only child. I'd like to have about 10-12 kids. I love kids. I am very much open to adopting some of them, even from another country.

reply from: 4given

I only discourage that because I am afraid they will be removed and destroyed. I will however try it myself during our next Wal-Mart trip. Thank you! For the ideas and the cards!

reply from: faithman

I only discourage that because I am afraid they will be removed and destroyed. I will however try it myself during our next Wal-Mart trip. Thank you! For the ideas and the cards!
You just have to be quick and slick. I have never had then removed and destroyed as far as I know. Of course it may have happened without me knowing it.

reply from: 4given

Quick and slick fits well with my brood.. The progress I could have made 10 or more years ago! It will be interesting and fun!
Thank you..

reply from: lukesmom

TB- I was in school when my oldest was born and finished when he was 2 and I was pregnant with my second. I worked part time and went to school full time and now look back and wonder how I did it! You CAN do this too. Hard work but doable. Enjoy these years though, they grow up so fast. In 3 years I will have 4 teenagers! God help me! Actually my 2 oldest have been easy teens so far... but the oldest is now working to get his driver's license. the grey hairs are increasing rapidly!

reply from: 4given

Would it be moral? .. You do inspire.. as a former prankster myself.. I enjoy the ideas.. just don't submit my own to my lads.. one of the instances when teenage rebellion and hormones -may actually benefit the world. (I know their ideas at that point may supercede mine) Purpose is so important. I am so blessed to have my boys. I am so blessed that they have an understanding of the evils they need to inform others of. I prefer the idea that the deeds done now will prevent destruction later on. I pray that is so! Fun indeed..

reply from: sander

I know. I had to do the mouth covering bit.. As I do with my little one when he tries to back chat.. I am sure you remember.. Turning your head away so you can hide the humor you get from their willful disobedience.. Only happens when they are young though right? They come up with the most humorous things.. and hearing their interpretation of us- the bad guys.. listening to my son at 5 telling his brother to not flush Junior Asparugus or "Mom will have angry eyebrows." I still think of that when in their disobedience I am indeed frowning.. Aye! Every bit worth it. And thank you so much for appreciating and understanding that!
As far as the pro-life mission goes- Ideas? How can I put their desire to be creative to God's (good) use? They put IAAP cards on the grocery cart inserts where advertisements usually go..
Sorry, I mis-understood what you were saying last night about ideas.
Your kids are a riot! That's so funny about your 5 yr old and the "angry eyebrows" being pronounced over a near flushing incident!
Children are priceless! They briing so much joy and anguish and laughter and tears. All of which only make us better people for having them in our lives.
Your children are blessed to have you as their mom.

reply from: 4given

Indeed they are the greatest gift!! I can't fathom our lives without them. Thank you Sander for the encouragement. With a house full of boys I am not sure about how humorous their escapades may be as teens, but I am confident they will be as they are now- compassionate, purpose-driven and God- fearing. God has promised me that if they do leave His will- their feet and heart will return. Right?

reply from: sander

Yes, right...a thousand times RIGHT! They will return, but something tells me they won't ever leave.
God promised me my family and I'm here to tell you God keeps His promises!
There's just something about sons. I adore my daughter with all my heart, don't mis-understand. But, there's something about those boys of mine that are now grown men that melts my heart, I think it's a little bit because sons are so protective of their moms. You wait, when your sons are grown your heart will swell with love and pride in a different way then it all ready does now.
I know you're enjoying every minute of your children, I envy that...in a good way.
I spent entirely too much time worrying about things being tidy and clean...I'm not making that mistake with my grandchildren!
Anytime you have anymore "escapes" to report, I'm all ears!

reply from: 4given

Tidy and clean.. Yes. I was trying to explain the "they are going to be gone and there will be so much time for that.." to my spouse that actually agrees somewhat, but reminded me that I am the one with a tidy issue.. Heavens knows there are so many things my awesome boys do that I should laugh at and enjoy.. I appreciate that the challenges- especially with marks on walls.. and crumbs and trash aren't as important.. now to not let them know that. My boys are protective of me. My eldest is always checking to make sure all is safe prior to his leaving, and asks if I am okay when he returns. He told me I need a good dog to keep watch in defense of anything undesirable that may be of harm to me.. but agreed that maybe a dog would run away if it had to spend the day under the authority of the baby.. a brutish 2 year old.. Anyway, I will try to enjoy every minute of their craziness, as I realize I do not and I appreciate your experience and ideas greatly!

reply from: sander

My goodness, if your boys are protective now, wait til they're grown...you won't ever need a dog or anything else for that matter. You'll have your own one woman "police/marine" force! Don't you just love it!!
It's hard to not want things tidy....it took me ages to let go of that idea and by the time I did they had moved out on their own...hey, wait a minute, I cried!
One of my favorite things is when both my sons are here and I'm sitting on the couch and they both sit on the floor at my feet and say..."scratch my back, mom, please! It's such a silly thing, but they must know how I'm just greatful to be able to be near them...they're probably taking advantage of that, but who cares.
Don't ever feel bad about being human...I'm speaking from hindsight, so not to worry about days when the craziness seems, well...crazy! Our children seem to over look alot more than we give them credit for.
I remember crying myself to sleep with guilt for having to disipline my kids and now they tell me they don't know what I'm talking about, they don't remembert! Oh sure...NOW they tell me. lol

reply from: galen

these are the ones we should be fighting to save.

reply from: Beprolifewithme

AWWW!!! Your baby and lizzie are sooooooooo cute!! Do you know what the baby's gonna be? Or is is too early to tell? Well good luck with all that happens, we'll keep you in our prayers!!
P.s. My birthday is in nov!

reply from: teddybearhamster

i'm not sure yet if i'm having a boy or girl. i'll have another ultrasound later on and i hope i can find out. if i do i'll let you all know.

reply from: galen

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Abortion%20is%20Murder/horror_of_abortion.htm

you first

reply from: teddybearhamster

just so you know i reported you to the moderator.

reply from: galen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biYm_pLUn5o

reply from: galen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX0JVamXpIs&NR=1

reply from: galen

can't spell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX0JVamXpIs&NR=1

reply from: AshMarie88

http://seroxatkillsbabies.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/babies1.jpg

reply from: sander

i'm not sure yet if i'm having a boy or girl. i'll have another ultrasound later on and i hope i can find out. if i do i'll let you all know.
Can't wait to hear.

reply from: galen

notice anything missing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3mtiJTkmYg

reply from: sander

Were you born this stupid? Taking classes, what?
It doesn't matter what you "think" it looks like, dufus.
Medical science says that's a human being.

reply from: galen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMsqyns5eBM

reply from: galen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PPamlX4HQ0

reply from: galen

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just had to bring these back up.....

reply from: teddybearhamster

i'm still here. when i get my next ultrasound at about 20 weeks i post that one too. when i was seven months pregnant with lizzie i had one of those really new 4-d ultrasounds and i could even tell she had her fathers forehead.

reply from: RedTaintedRose

OK.. lesson time for the less educated (that's you!)
A 11 week gestated embryo is not a person. Its not fully formed, if it was it would be capable of survival outside the uterus. Having had the misfortune to have lost three pregnancies in the second trimester and had one stillbirth I can personally attest that a fully formed 'baby' does not exist at 11 weeks.
It doesn't exist at 19, or 22 weeks either.
There is this little matter of lungs in those second half of the pregnancy. See if they don't work or are not mature enough to work at all the fetus dies..as my son did.. my son survived 23 hours after his 22 week birth.
You can't ever convince me that a fetus is a fully formed person. I know better.
Hate to break it to you there (pay attention here faithfreak since you want to orphan my children so badly) but more pregnancies are lost to miscarriage, spontanious abortion and what is now being called premature birth then are aborted.
So.. let me give you a little moral dilemma, keep in mind please I don't buy into the whole god/sin/devil/christ thing.. the mythical sky monster doesn't impress me..
A girl is 24 weeks pregnant and starts bleeding heavily; at the hospital it is determined a life threatening condition is happening, plecenta previa, causing severe hemmoraging for the girl, she will die if the fetus is not taken, the fetus has Exencephaly, it will not survive the proceedure.. is it murder to remove the fetus, which will die, or should the 18 year old girl die of blood loss?
Who do you elect to kill yoda? Faithfreak? anyone??
Who do you kill. The girl or the fetus..ball is in your court..
If you kill the girl then you won't be bothered in the future by a RedTaintedRose..
but also she wont give birth two years later to lovely baby girl and five years after that to another.. so if you kill the other two children as well..
how many do you kill yoda??

reply from: galen

abortion is the un natural termination of a pregnancy... miscarrige is the natural process... my oh so ignorant fool...
go back to school my dear.. even the worms beneath my feet are more intelligent than you and your vile drival.
In the situations describes by you... NO ONE is going to save the mother with out saving the child. OOps.. except of course Dr Tiller.

reply from: faithman

OK.. lesson time for the less educated (that's you!)
A 11 week gestated embryo is not a person. Its not fully formed, if it was it would be capable of survival outside the uterus. Having had the misfortune to have lost three pregnancies in the second trimester and had one stillbirth I can personally attest that a fully formed 'baby' does not exist at 11 weeks.
It doesn't exist at 19, or 22 weeks either.
There is this little matter of lungs in those second half of the pregnancy. See if they don't work or are not mature enough to work at all the fetus dies..as my son did.. my son survived 23 hours after his 22 week birth.
You can't ever convince me that a fetus is a fully formed person. I know better.
Hate to break it to you there (pay attention here faithfreak since you want to orphan my children so badly) but more pregnancies are lost to miscarriage, spontanious abortion and what is now being called premature birth then are aborted.
So.. let me give you a little moral dilemma, keep in mind please I don't buy into the whole god/sin/devil/christ thing.. the mythical sky monster doesn't impress me..
A girl is 24 weeks pregnant and starts bleeding heavily; at the hospital it is determined a life threatening condition is happening, plecenta previa, causing severe hemmoraging for the girl, she will die if the fetus is not taken, the fetus has Exencephaly, it will not survive the proceedure.. is it murder to remove the fetus, which will die, or should the 18 year old girl die of blood loss?
Who do you elect to kill yoda? Faithfreak? anyone??
Who do you kill. The girl or the fetus..ball is in your court..
If you kill the girl then you won't be bothered in the future by a RedTaintedRose..
but also she wont give birth two years later to lovely baby girl and five years after that to another.. so if you kill the other two children as well..
how many do you kill yoda??
number one. What you describe has never been illegal, even before roe. Number 2, I have a 25 year old nephew that was born at 22 weeks. I think every effort should be made to save both. Sorry for your loss, but what you describe here has nothing to do with abortion on demand.

reply from: sander

She has to make it about abortion on demand, she has too sleep too.
And she called us "un-educated"....
She knows that's it's never been illegal to abort when it truly is the life of the mother at stake. But, again...we have to be the ones uneducated in her twisted abortion world. It's that sleeping thing.

reply from: galen

what she describes has never been termed an abortion by anyone. Its always been called premature birth.. in fact most cases of previa are diagnosed before what she describes occures..... just using a tale for her own gain i suspect... if she had been through what she described she would have had to contact a funeral home for the infant.

reply from: yoda

Ignorance is bad enough, but intentional ignorance is unforgivable.
Neither the stage of development or the state of viability have anything whatsoever to do with the meaning of the word "person". Look it up dufus, I'm tired of posting definitions for people who know better.
Yet another full blown lie..... since there is no such animal as a "fully formed baby". Humans are not "fully formed" until they reach adulthood, and the term baby applies to all very young children.
What a nasty, despicable way to try to justify killing babies... by telling great big whopper lies.......

reply from: teddybearhamster

i know that my baby is a person. nothing will convince me otherwise.

reply from: Teresa18

Rosie must be looking in the mirror.

reply from: domsmom

CoNgRaTuLaTiOnS!!! Im pregnant and had an ultrasound at 10 weeks and it was quite obvious to me that that tiny thing was a living human BEING. How anyone can conclude otherwise, well, they must be in complete denial. Oh! And another ultrasound I had at 12 weeks? The sonographer was having to push pretty hard on my uterus to get a clear pic. This little sucker was dodging her and we all saw this 12 week fetus PUSHING BACK (to no avail of course) against the transducer. Conscious? I dont know. But s/he definately knew what was comfortable and what was not!

reply from: nancyu

And congratulations to you too, Domsmom.

reply from: 4given

Were you using crack cocaine? It is my understanding that this often occurs with cocaine addicted mothers..

reply from: galen

previa isn't caused by crack... her attitude though....

reply from: 4given

Good to know! My sister had a stillborn, after that diagnosis. The Dr. actually said to a nurse that she "must have been on cocaine"- which she wasn't. I asked him what he meant, as he was grumbling to a nurse- he said "most situations happen like this when cocaine is involved." That is where I heard it. Glad for the clarity, as my sister has been furious for the 10 years now.. Bad medical I am sure.. Her attitude.. yes. She said somewhere she has been fighting for the right to kill for 24 years.. I guess I figured she was an angry and neglected teen or 24 year old maybe? I d/k.. But I agree.. Her disposition is telling..
What causes placenta previa? Does cocaine addiction lead to this?

reply from: galen

cocain addiction causes lots of problems..previa is not necessarily one of them. Premature labour/ low birth weight/ fetal anomalies are the most usual.. stilbirth can be caused by lots of things... .
Previa is caused when the fertilzed egg implants far enough down in the uterus to cover part or all of the cervix. when it covers all of the cervix there is a risk around 20 wks of premature labour due to irritation caused by the added weight of the pregnancy and the placenta directly on the cervix. An ultrasound done at the begining of a pregnancy can tell you if this a factor that needs to be considered. Such women are deemed high risk. If a woman does start to contract and they know she has a previa they can sometimes stop labour with the use of tributiline or magnesium sulfate. at the time the woman approaches term they can then schedual a cesarean before she dialates so as not to compromise the blood flow to the child or cause the mom to bleed out. When the previa is undiagnosed it is very bad for mom and baby as the cervix opening causes what is in effect a placental abruption ( premature separation of the placenta). This can cause both mom and child to 'bleed out'.
happily more often than not women tend not to die from undiagnosed abruptions and the rates are getting better over the last 5 years.

reply from: 4given

I so value your input. She was 34 weeks. Her life was not mentioned as being "at risk" at all- It is still confusing to me.. and I appreciate, once again whatever info you have to offer. So glad you made your way back to us!
*tributiline and magnesium sulfate are aweful.. but from what I personally understand- life-saving.. enter my almost 11 y.o son.. *

reply from: galen

yes... i had them also for my 14 yo... gosh time flies...
i had an abruption with him... no crack required.. just one of those things.

reply from: domsmom

OK, this must have been the most ignorant OB on the face of the planet. Previa has to do with where implantation occurs, ABRUPTION on the other hand, coke moms do have a high occurance of that. I think coke causes abnormal contractions and can cause the placenta to tear away from the uterus prematurely. By no means is coke the sole cause of abruption though!! Why any prof. OB would even think something like that without a positive tox screen is beyond me.....

reply from: domsmom

Ignorance is bad enough, but intentional ignorance is unforgivable.
Neither the stage of development or the state of viability have anything whatsoever to do with the meaning of the word "person". Look it up dufus, I'm tired of posting definitions for people who know better.
Yet another full blown lie..... since there is no such animal as a "fully formed baby". Humans are not "fully formed" until they reach adulthood, and the term baby applies to all very young children.
What a nasty, despicable way to try to justify killing babies... by telling great big whopper lies.......
Yoda, you truely live up to your name. Brilliant and wise. Id love to come join you on Concord some morning. Im just around the corner.....

reply from: yoda

Domsmom, I'd be thrilled to have you join us some Saturday morning. I usually get there around 8ish, and another group shows up around 9ish. Right now I'm taking a chair to sit in because of my back, but I hope to soon be well enough to do without it. Please drop by.

reply from: galen

OK, this must have been the most ignorant OB on the face of the planet. Previa has to do with where implantation occurs, ABRUPTION on the other hand, coke moms do have a high occurance of that. I think coke causes abnormal contractions and can cause the placenta to tear away from the uterus prematurely. By no means is coke the sole cause of abruption though!! Why any prof. OB would even think something like that without a positive tox screen is beyond me.....


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